#esports-discussion
tardy isle
rancid gust
tardy isle
We lookin for playoff two
But dang where is our focus fire tonight??
cursive talon
is there a way to draw a series? edit. nah
balmy wolf
the next map is payload
tardy isle
No cuz map five is control
cloud latch
and first is control
balmy wolf
HZ vs Seoul
cursive talon
Either way dragons will make it to playoffs. Spark and Dynasty fighting to see who gets in. Sucks for Spark negative map differential.
tardy isle
Dragons made it to playoffs last week
balmy wolf
so close
tardy isle
Dragon v shock didn’t matter tbh
solar olive
They did
tardy isle
Nothing tonight mattered except this
cursive talon
@tardy isle hmm just pacific leader for Shock
balmy wolf
dragons took shock to the edge, it was not a close game and they face each other in the playoffs again
could be upset if they cant deal with dding
mint slate
just got that 100 tokens
you know im spending it on decay genji
gladiator genji
even though im trash at genhi
cursive talon
@mint slate save it for all star skins. I have 500 tokens just sitting there. Just bought the maintank Spark skins.
mint slate
yeah
drowsy fulcrum
mint slate
i have 200 saved for mercy
mint slate
every 100 after that is for gladiators skins
i already have a lucio gladiator skin
so 2 lucio skins bad
ill just get hot mercy
drowsy fulcrum
I'm waiting for that Lucio skin
cursive talon
sweet 100 tokens today, at 611 tokens. how much were all star skins? edit, 200 tokens each.
vale pond
imagine being boston
cursive talon
so close, man this game is good.
supple prism
i had seoul at 3-2
inland pawn
Pog
minor flame
wow
cursive talon
hairline wins lol
tawny sigil
he was matrixing him you noob
minor flame
he did a real shit job at doing that
fervent finch
gods plus support= win
cursive talon
the nerves are real
fervent finch
one more
this is intense
i think that Seoul should put Michelle on the Sombra
worked well against Excel in their match in last stage's playoffs
minor flame
one strat does not apply to all teams
inland pawn
loosy goosy
upper niche
Hmmm... VAN vs DAL... you know I reckon DAL could cause an upset.
inland pawn
lmao
minor flame
IDK lmao
whole mulch
IDK
fervent finch
rip idk
vale pond
relying on fuel to do anything right is a bad idea
vale pond
0-4watch
whole mulch
Flashback to when Seoul said no team in OWL is as good as them
tawny sigil
damn seoul is getting kicked out of the party they have been invited to
upper niche
We're goin to 5 boys! 😄
Oh, hang on. Scoreboard was showing 0-2, didn't see they got the 3rd point 😦
fervent finch
one round 2 hit, spark ramped it up
inland pawn
hes in Godxue mode
minor flame
HAHAHAHAHA
inland pawn
HUGE STAGGER
inland pawn
PogU
cursive talon
4 in a row wtf is idk, he wilding
tawny sigil
HANG9.... that was so scrapy
minor flame
big c9
tawny sigil
they were right there
cursive talon
they would have won if they used every ult. dynasty managed to build alts back.
tawny sigil
texas hard
fervent finch
gn mate
tawny sigil
love the sound of zen's ult when they swap spectator view
vale pond
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
tawny sigil
Experience, the iris
fervent finch
lol
tawny sigil
that happens so often
fervent finch
i just want to go to bed
minor flame
ryujehong afraid
fervent finch
he really is
tawny sigil
why go to bed when you can wait 2 minutes
fervent finch
just backed off
inland pawn
just dont sleep lol
fervent finch
i'm tired, and i got school tomorrow
inland pawn
just dont be tired 4Head
fervent finch
school is something that can't be avoided
minor flame
GEE FUCKING GEE
inland pawn
EZ Clap
fervent finch
gg boys and girls
trim shadow
I think you better bow down HANGZHOU IN PLAYOFFS
Time to buy me a pink jersey with my name
fervent finch
good for them, seoul looked good then fell apart
trim shadow
The definition of mental boom
fervent finch
they deserve it for their efforts
minor flame
gamer
trim shadow
Scuffed interview
I believe guxue
They can handle london
And could pull a shaky nyxl
inland pawn
no more disney XD 
whole mulch
Let's see what happens in stage finals
simple badger
Goats resident sleeper
fervent finch
shock please
fervent finch
Moth is god tier
worn falcon
NYXL is getting ehhh
whole mulch
NYXL is a dps team
fervent finch
because they don't play their best player
worn falcon
Pine is benched and isnt best in the comp
fervent finch
that's not how it should be
worn falcon
his pool hero is pretty limited.
whole mulch
Pine has always been benched
the only thing he really plays in OWL is hitscan
probably can't even run goats heroes as well as his teammates
fervent finch
gn boys and girls, mom's pushing me
trim shadow
Ao dding panick emped?
distant badger
I wonder if dive comes back will the bitching about it return?
whole mulch
Probably
vale pond
the bitching about every meta is a thing
tulip ridge
So apparently it's the Shock vs Dragons , Titans vs Fuel, Gladiator v NYXL, Spitfire vs Spark
pearl stratus
The meta could be 6 dps with free handjobs for everyone and someone would complain about it.
It's a game playerbase, and a Blizzard one at that.
minor flame
every meta is destined to be shit
its just that some metas are more shitty than the others
simple badger
sniper meta better than gaots
minor flame
cause having 1 comp as incredibly dominant is shit in of itself
trim shadow
Next map is probably some aeroplane bullshit with a flying bastion ashe combo and a baptiste pocket
upper niche
So, stage 3 predictions based on only ladder data: 1. SFS, VAN, NYE. 4. PHI. 5. GLA, SEO. 7. LDN, DAL, SHD, HZS. 11. ATL, BOS, TOR. 14. CDH, PAR, HOU, GZC. 18. LAV, FLA, WAS.
That is, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 0 wins respectively.
upper niche
Just realised that London have a really rough stage for S3: NYE twice, BOS, TOR, WAS, LAV and SFS.
and Gladiators draw Vancouver twice.
simple badger
vancouver only runs goats lol
upper niche
Dallas get Chengdu twice, Shanghai get Valiant twice. Philly and Boston play twice; Paris get Boston twice (wtf, so Boston play Paris and Philli twice?)
slender lance
I think Janus would be a better main tank if he played a lot more aggressive
gaunt acorn
@trim shadow do less new lines, it upsets the bot
trim shadow
Im suprised that bot is still around
I guess endgames spoilers are still strict even a week after the movie release
stage 3
1.vancouver
2. san fran
3. nyxl
4. london (if they run dps(
5.LAG [if you let decay and surefour hurr durr on dps]
6. hangzhou [ most improved team]
- Philly
- shanghai
- atlanta
- seoul
- boston
- toronto
- chengdu
- lav
- washington
16.paris [doing a seoul]
17.gzc
18.houston - florida
correction -> put dallas at 10 move everyone down 1
supple prism
Monday is the official day to post endgame stuff
i think your nyxl is still too high
and i think shock will pick up more maps than titans
minor flame
imagine still putting philly at top 8
supple prism
i put philly at 12
supple prism
Shock, Titans, Glads, Spitfire for QF.
Titans, Shock for finals.
And i really wanna say Shock for champ
pearl stratus
If nothing changes meta wise I'd have a hard time getting Philly above 15.
They need to use their time off really aggressively to fix their communication and teamwork since right now all they're doing is deconstructing more and more.
supple prism
they should at least get 2 wins right?
minor flame
Lets see
Philly faces Spark then Boston
Glads, ATL Boston again
And then Washington then finally Shanghai
Their best shot at winning is with Justice and ATL
Even then theyre not that easy
molten skiff
keen abyss
alright but the real question, what is pacific going to do without a dva player
guxue and ameng is an unfortunate combo for goats
gaunt acorn
they aren't confined to the main 6
see: 2018 all stars
the voting is fairly meaningless
keen abyss
oh ok
it'd be quite a problem if it was like that
does this mean pine still gets no playtime lmao
echo quest
@keen abyss ameng can dva
He and his offtank swapped roles in contenders
Because ameng’s Winston is non existent
slender lance
Chengdu is almost like last seasons Shanghai
They are getting a big fan base for the wrong reasons
minor flame
That makes no sense
Shanghai built off of a rep of a loss streak
Chengdu built off of a rep on how unorthodox they play
echo quest
@slender lance not really
Chengdu is a mid tier and has a fan base for playing non goats
echo quest
He couldn’t stream that much
trim shadow
@halcyon mirage wanted togo back to streaming
halcyon mirage
I c
vale pond
It was a shit ton of stress and he just didnt enjoy it that much
pearl stratus
@keen abyss If it plays through like anything like last year you'll literally never see a serious comp, ever.
They just goof off.
trim shadow
Hangzhou 3-2 london
San fran 3-2 shanghai
Vancouver 4-0 dallas
New york 3-1 lag
echo quest
@fervent finch pine was never NYXL’s best player
trim shadow
San fran 4-1 hangzhou
Vancouver 4-1 nyxl
Vancouver wins the stage
Thats my playoff bracket
minor flame
A 3-2 from Shanghai is asking alot
trim shadow
The thought is diya returns
echo quest
3-1 London
4-0 Shock
3-1 NYXL
4-0 Vancouver
trim shadow
And they play normally
minor flame
What
trim shadow
And theyll use san frans aggresiveness as there weakness
trim shadow
Didnt they have diya on dva before he went baxk home?
minor flame
No
echo quest
NYXL 3-2 Vancouver
Shock 3-1 London
trim shadow
Its like 15-20 matches a week and its hard to keep all this knowledge in my head
echo quest
NYXL wins stage
minor flame
Diem is Diya counterpart
echo quest
Wdym?
trim shadow
The highest remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed
echo quest
Ah kk
trim shadow
And for the 2nd matxh is the 2nd lowest aeed palying the 2nd highest seed
minor flame
Also I dont think just having a dva is gonna instantly make them better
trim shadow
Its fuckin weird
minor flame
San Fran is aggressive but explotiing it is difficult
Cause theyre so well coordinated
trim shadow
@minor flame probably not but san fran exploited there quad dps so what else can they do
trim shadow
The main thing is super doesnt shield alot and he plays forward
trim shadow
Take how atlanta handled mano
minor flame
Viol2t has a moira
Sinatraa backs him up well with huge damage
And you cant take advantage of Mano like Super
Mano is on a passive team
trim shadow
Honestly sinatraa is hard carrying on the zarya
minor flame
All of San Fran is respectively great
trim shadow
But then so is hangzhou..Which on a limb
Hangzhou has a 25% chance to get to finals
5% chance to win
Thats if they play as clean as they did against seoul on riaaalllltoooo
trim shadow
And guxue starts laying people out like hotdogs
minor flame
Its just inferior in most ways
trim shadow
have you seen krystal and yxl pop off on widow?
echo quest
YXL isn’t on spark
trim shadow
at this point i dont think striker is a top 5 widow with all the new blood
echo quest
Architect....
trim shadow
the point i just stated is that spark in a dps meta im not so sure on them now
minor flame
Just because Krystal is good at widow dosznt mean theyre just better
Shock has many specialists
Who are good at what they do
echo quest
If it’s dive shock has a much better tracer
trim shadow
seeing corey pop off yxl krystal colourhex
it all comes down to the dps when the comp is meta again
which it probably wont
minor flame
What dive?
trim shadow
im happy with the current balance of the game - jeff kaplan
minor flame
Thinking the dps is everything in dive is fucking stupid
echo quest
If dive was meta which is Spark’s best meta they would still lose
echo quest
I don’t want to force dps players on tank - Jeff Kaplan 2017
echo quest
Well here we are
minor flame
Goats is pro meta cause the highest level of coordination of it pays off the most
minor flame
Even of philly had dps theyd still be like bottom half
trim shadow
i just want to see atlanta become top 5
im really confident in erster and babybay
for dps
echo quest
@minor flame how come?
minor flame
Coordination is garbage
Plus at this rate both of them are highly likely to be outclassed
little silo
atlanta seem more like last seasons fusion than this seasons Fusion
echo quest
@minor flame highly doubt that they have barely played dps at all this season
minor flame
Yet has shown better results than Carpe
echo quest
Krystal really has shown how good he is at widow
With that spicy 10 minutes played...
minor flame
Carpe hasnt
echo quest
No shit because he has barely any time on widow
echo quest
He has played dps heroes for less than 30 minutes
Your looking at an incredibly small sample size
pearl stratus
Part of that is because the way that Philly is put together they're not a team.
They're a dps core with no synergy that suffer in a teamwork oriented meta and has been surprassed by better, more flexible dps that know how to work like a team.
If nothing changes Philly is a bottom 5 team at best.
And for Stage 3 they have -1- game where I feel confident saying they'll win.
Beyond that they have a hard schedule for Stage 3.
@minor flame As for Stage 3 predictions - provided nothing changes...
minor flame
Yeah bout as much as I expected
pearl stratus
Then I'll tentatively put Shock over Vancouver, LAG over London.
trim shadow
i expect the divide between mid table to bottom table to increase massively
and the top 5 to sky rocket into stage 3
balmy wolf
trim shadow
Fraggi to washington?
swift moth
free fraggi
fresh epoch
how high is a OWL mccree accuracy?
red dust
In the 90s
supple prism
ha
supple prism
i would imagine even lower
trim shadow
https://twitter.com/LAValiant/status/1125430422479917056?s=19 the post stage news we needed
fervent finch
they really need all the help they can get
little silo
Do you think having Bischu back in the lineup would improve the Gladiators?
i mean it probably will but by how much
balmy wolf
Void already has synergy, so you wouldn't see that much of a difference.
jagged crater
does that mean valiant get free kit kat ? omg so lucky
pearl stratus
Bischu would have been more noticeable earlier in getting Decay acclimated.
hidden vault
Get a korean support
Or a korean support duo idk
But the finnish trio is so iconic
Lmao
steel gorge
What do you guys think is going to happen in the shock next match with the dragons
vale pond
I doubt it
both teams will prepare a lot
but it will be similarly close to last time
shock will prob win but the dragons have the best chance to upset of any game
signal canopy
I hope they try something different
signal canopy
They definitely could've won at least 1 map last match
vale pond
they could have won every map they fought for every inch
balmy wolf
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
balmy wolf
uhm
pearl stratus
Imo the Shock v. Shanghai 4-0 was closer than most of this stages 3-2 as mathemetically incorrect as that reads.
sullen berry
Shock vs NYXL was also close
balmy wolf
i didnt see that one
signal canopy
Don't remember that one
balmy wolf
and when is pine coming back
signal canopy
Unless you meant atl vs ny
limber pine
On the bench
balmy wolf
what?
limber pine
I don’t understand what you don’t understand
balmy wolf
what do you mean on the bench
limber pine
He’s not playing because he’s a widow one-trick in a meta that doesn’t need widows
balmy wolf
oh
i just looked at the website and it said hes going to be here for all stars
wait, widow one-trick I thought he also mained mccree
limber pine
McCree isn’t meta either
balmy wolf
well, yeah xd
limber pine
Nene and libero are far better and far more flexible
balmy wolf
definately
pearl stratus
He got in on All stars because its popularity.
Not usefulness.
Pines useful for building a bench, just need to use the right sealant.
balmy wolf
as long as they everyone doesnt run goats it is pry fine
is michelle in it? i dont remeber
nope
how much will the all star skins cost
upper niche
200 OWL Tokens.
No word on whether you'll be able to buy last years Tracer/Genji skins though 😦
balmy wolf
im a support main so i dont rly care about those ones too much
and that's ten bucks right?
upper niche
I didn't have enough OWL tokens last year to get them. I should get enough from watching finals to get both skins.
upper niche
It's like AUD15 for a skin. Yeah, nah.
balmy wolf
i like watching OWL but i dont have that kind of time
without losing my mind
well i gtg
cya
upper niche
I just leave it sitting on in the background.
supple prism
upper niche
@balmy wolf Dafran decided just before the Stage 1 finals that he no longer wanted to play pro OW. He's still contracted to the team but as an employee but isn't on the team roster - I would presume it's so he couldn't just go and play for another team.
gaunt acorn
uneven wren
supple prism
stark salmon
As much as I want to vote for for getting 28 max wins in stage 2, I still think might win this
supple prism
Nah, shock has improved and titans havent changed much.
almost stopped
supple prism
But then took a SHD record and then beat it again right after
gaunt acorn
sorry but dallas are getting rolled
how could you possibly say they could make it to semis
sullen berry
Closer tries not to feed, for a start
stark salmon
even though they won against Houston?
gaunt acorn
we're talking about vs titans here, man
houston is objectively one of the worst teams in the league
beating them is not comparable to whether you can beat the titans
gaunt acorn
i wouldn't say that with 100% confidence, but they're certainly in contention for the title
minor flame
Real talk
Ive thought the seoul werent in A tier with glads and london for a while
Spark winning just strengthens my thoughts
Fissure Seoul > Marve1 Seoul
minor flame
People like to insist that Seoul is a good runner for the 4th best team spot
I mean I guess 5th
But theyve been inconsistently lacking all the time
gaunt acorn
they're kidding themselves
minor flame
Fissure Seoul 2-3ed Glads early stage 2
And now
Marve1 Seoul 2-3s Val
And 4-0s Fuel
gaunt acorn
fissure seoul is just as inconsistent as marve1
i think it's more of an overall coaching problem
like last season
though not as bad
minor flame
Yea but I dont think Marve1 is benefitting them over fissure much as they think
gaunt acorn
there might be other factors at play
behind the scenes
clearly they've experimented plenty with both main tanks
there must be a reason they are sticking with marve1
gaunt acorn
that's one possibility, i agree
minor flame
But I think replacing the entire roster along with Jesce and Fissure
Isnt the exactly right approach
gaunt acorn
put jehong back on winston
drowsy fulcrum
I really don't see how Houston isn't the worst in the league tbh
they're a team that can only play Koth
gaunt acorn
name a worse team
drowsy fulcrum
I can't
gaunt acorn
the only other candidate, as i see it, is florida
and they're (slowly) improving
houston are only getting worse
drowsy fulcrum
and houston stans are still calling Muma the best western main tank
gaunt acorn
echo quest
@balmy wolf pine won’t ever play unless the meta is like double hitscan
minor flame
No
echo quest
?
Team China for OWWC is hella stacked even without Shy
Krystal,Leave,Guxue,ziJin,Yveltal and Coldest
little silo
Coldest?
Never heard of him
spark should beat london right
both teams are pretty inconsistent but spark improved a lot recently
hidden vault
What's wrong with london?
echo quest
@little silo he’s the best zen in china, plays with shy and zijin on bilibili gaming
trim shadow
london 2-1 floirda
london 4-0 atlanta
london 2-1 philly
london 4-0 boston
london 4-0 paris
london 1-3 chengdu
london 4-0 houston
dropping maps to teams they shoould clean sweep
playing out of there mind in a close match
and back to dropping maps
to outright loosing
to playing out of there minds
limber pine
London's schedule is also really soft
when Philly is arguably the best team you faced.
trim shadow
anid maybe chengdu
trim shadow
and thats i believe hangzhou will make final 4
echo quest
Lol no
echo quest
He jumped up in level this year
Like Guxue went from a top 5 main tank in China in 2017 ( was a sub owwc )
Than became the best main tank in 2018 even ahead jiqiren
verbal roost
Do Twitch reruns of Overwatch matches get you league tokens or do they only drop for live matches?
echo quest
Only live matches
verbal roost
Ok thank you
slender lance
does anyone have any predictions for stage 2 playoffs
i think it will be shock, titans, glad, and spark honestly
slender lance
thats why i said glad would win against them
slender lance
they are just slightly inconsistent
trim shadow
F for jiqiren in visa hell
little silo
not sure if i would put glads over them since glads are inconsistent as well
even though im a glads fan
slender lance
glads seem to have fixed most of their problems
they did go 6-1 this stage
i think shock will win it all tho
slender lance
to be fair
little silo
Titans honestly look better rn despite shocks stage
trim shadow
titans will win stage 2
slender lance
shock didnt play against the best teams
little silo
neither did glads
slender lance
so probably titans now that i think about it
trim shadow
shanghai and like hangzhou gave em a run
little silo
none of the top teams played each other
trim shadow
despite the score line being 4-0
minor flame
No they havent
slender lance
i think titans handle playing against sombra bettwe
minor flame
Glads havent fixed most their probs
little silo
Yup
minor flame
Theyre still insanely inconsistent
BigGoose for how "pog" he is
Can be a feeder alot
little silo
shaz is consistent at least
trim shadow
decay is the only consistent
little silo
roar sometimes looks off imo
slender lance
but you can say that about a lot of people on different teams
little silo
Hydration... very inconsistent but better now
slender lance
i think they shouldnt put in s4 for void anymore
minor flame
What
trim shadow
just shield bash and try to inspire
little silo
putting in S4 creates what I like to call the Houston problem
slender lance
i think i good brig has to have insane reaction time
minor flame
Brig is like Rein in type of skill ceiling except she doesnt suffer from constant focus
little silo
OWL brigs have to manage so much
slender lance
and amazing positioning if not
trim shadow
armor packing low health? popping inspire? and making sure zen doesnt take ur head off
slender lance
so they can avoid shadder or emp or grav
little silo
team work they call targets a lot
little silo
stun important targets hit important wipshots
minor flame
Whipshot is a pain to aim
little silo
Keep Rein up get ult etc
minor flame
Know who to axtually armor pack
slender lance
i hate seeing brigs rally just to try and scare a team off
little silo
know when to armor pack
minor flame
Cause sometimes the wrong armor pack just feeds more ult charge
minor flame
Cause he has way more insane awareness
Knows his positioning
His place
Better management
slender lance
i think there are only a few good brigs
little silo
zacharee plays brig the way you describe it @trim shadow
slender lance
haskal being one
slender lance
yeah
trim shadow
brig is just one of those roles youll never stand out in
slender lance
what really stands out to me with haskal is how quick he is to react
little silo
haksal does
slender lance
like against seoul on anubis
trim shadow
i would say the main thing that impresses on brig is ult negation
and i think haksal does that alot
stopping sombra emps
slender lance
when he stunned Michelle out of emp
trim shadow
stopping shatters
trim shadow
it isnt..its flash...like pines 360 stun headshot on mcree
little silo
thats not reaction time based?
trim shadow
most owl brigs just hold right click and pray to inspire
little silo
most owl brigs overextend and feed
slender lance
jake owerwatch
little silo
look brig isnt that hard but shes not as easy as you think
trim shadow
my brig wouldnt be owl level
cause ill just shield bash the closest enemy and swing from behind a wall
or like 1v1 a reaper cause he thinks hes hot shit
its like walking into a club and a scrawny edgy boi tries to fight the muscular biker
slender lance
i treat shield bash as a bubble/sleep/trance when i know the enemy has an ult
i save it until they use it so i can try to save my team
minor flame
Using bash is like a risk
Its like flashbang but shittier
It puts you in apossibly out of position
Can get picked easily if youre noy careful
minor flame
This is p sweet
trim shadow
shanghai chengdu hangzhou and guangzhou have a bromance
slender lance
A quadbromance
trim shadow
meanwhile the american teams bfight each other
minor flame
Ironically enough the West is more conflictinf than the Asians
echo fog
slender lance
When the event ends tonight the skins will be out
I believe event ends at 7pm central time
echo quest
@trim shadow you telling me there isn’t a difference between haksal and agill on brig?
echo quest
Lul what? Agill constantly dies first, also is out of position a lot
trim shadow
Team problem
minor flame
Team problem my ass
echo quest
^
He looked bad against Atlanta and Washington
What do you guys think LAV will do to their roster in the off season?
limber pine
Depends how stage 3 and 4 go
remember, they didn't have the best beginning of season 1 either
if they can squeeze out winning stages, I think they won't do much
sullen berry
Valiant as an org have been bleeding more than they have grown since Space Izayaki and KSF pickup
In the long term, the team would still want to keep their players unless they become toxic or impossible to integrate
echo quest
They went 7-3 and 9-1 when Space turned 18
sullen berry
Space has been totally inconsistent when the needed him most during season playoffs
echo quest
Because they played London who dicked everyone
sullen berry
So idk if it’s when he is in a losing team fight that he can’t do much
sullen berry
Or if it’s the team shot calling that has been all over the place since the loss of soon
echo quest
I mean soon is horrible at zarya so they didnt lose that much
sullen berry
You bet KSF has shown much better synergy with the team
Valiant seems to be too slow to engage and we’ve seen past games where they aren’t reacting properly to close team fights that are in their favour
Imagine stage 3 valiant vs spitfire
If they want to redeem themselves, then wishy-washy spitfire next stage is going to to have to be a guaranteed win if they can’t beat charge or chengdu
echo quest
They can definitely beat charge and Chengdu
sullen berry
Charge is on the trajectory upwards
echo quest
If they don’t they can’t make playoffs since they have a instant loss to titans
sullen berry
Shanghai maybe, who they face twice
Because the dragons aren’t backing down after stage 2 playoffs. They’ll likely come out stronger even if they don’t make it to semifinals
A hard luck for Valiant, really
Coming into the season as veterans but all your OG players aren’t playing up to the competition
echo quest
They seem disjointed
Perhaps the Rumor of Fate not liking how LAV is run is causing issues
He was really unhappy when they got rid of Moon
sullen berry
From last season alone they dropped Soon, Envy, Unkoe, numlocked (I’m hearing is doing well for himself in contenders), and Silkthread
sullen berry
Coaching staff fallout like Shanghai season 1
echo quest
Unkoe being traded was good
So Kariv could play zen
Also numlocked is good bug LAV has Fate so he would never play
But*
sullen berry
Season 1 for valiant was pick and see
Whether they needed to amp up the Korean contingent of their core roster
But still maintain star players from Na and EU
echo quest
Don’t think the meta would hit them this hard. They don’t have a strong brig or zarya, their main support is also average
Their only saving grace is their tankline and flex supports
sullen berry
And you had somebody saying that Custa’s Goats knowledge was too strong for the team
So big in fact you couldn’t sub him in to save the series
The Kuki experiment was short lived. I’m glad that they figured out it wasn’t going to work out
trim shadow
So havana is now playable
Does that mean stage 3 new map?
@sullen berry that was moon
minor flame
Most likely
trim shadow
Time to see what balance in the patch comes out
The locked 2-2-2 is coming right
For ladder
swift moth
ive heard
tired mango
havent heard anything official
minor flame
Its not definitive
But if forced 222
Comes out
Itll be the quickest way to kill a playerbase
pearl stratus
They had a great fix for GM with one minor change, pretty sure they don't have to go special ed for the ladder at this point
minor flame
Ladder changes should be delicate
Going for a game changing change on ladder will either be successful
Or most likely backfire
pearl stratus
Honestly its better that Blizzard just tells people sub-masters they're not really people. They'd never do that, but its what they should do.
Trying to balance for gold is like trying to balance a scale with a 10 lb weight, a 50 lb weight, and a 75 lb weight.
minor flame
Streamers and pros have such shitty influence
pearl stratus
It's more just that all complaints have to go through a microcosm.
No matter where its from.
You won't find similar complaints across most SR's.
Because each SR is a microcosm of its own issues.
minor flame
Most ladder opinions are split
But if it comes out of a streamer or pro
People just tend to blindly agree
pearl stratus
Or they don't read it carefully.
minor flame
Just because theyre gm and shit and only seen stream footage of gigh ladder
pearl stratus
Like when Seagull put out his rant he clearly said it was with GM issues.
And gold people were like "YEAH!"
Like shit. You're a drooling mass of useless, nothing he said impacts you at all.
Get off his dick.
minor flame
And then everyone starts bombarding surefour for his opinions
And its weird
One pro streamer opinion clashes with another
Most playerbase favored argument is gonna win over mostly everyone
pearl stratus
Yeah, different roles, different issues, different skill ceilings.
minor flame
Brigitte is an example of a problem being exaggerated to hell
I dont usually follow Super and his shit
But like his tweet about dps players and brig
Is prob the best someone can make out of it
pearl stratus
The thing is people pretend Brig is super easy, and for low shit she is because no one can capitalize.
But for high end play she's technical and requires a non-smooth brain.]
So not everyone can go from clicking heads to mace to face, and its funny to watch them complain about it
echo quest
Cough cough zacharee
trim shadow
And i quite
shanghai is a bunch of sombra abusers
-super
If anyone i find annoying in ow its the mexican
Ironic
balmy wolf
why did dafran retire from owl?
did he just get burnout
or he just wasn
wasn't that good
trim shadow
@balmy wolf twitch money
daring prism
uNKOE vs Muma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ykusiNReY
trim shadow
Hes a main tank @hidden vault
karmic grotto
Would still be better brig than zach
trim shadow
But would aero do that
supple prism
maybe to sell
gaunt acorn
Twitter
slender lance
People are talking About OGE going to defiant
trim shadow
Oge to the defiant?
Uk whats thats a good trade
But a kick in oge’s nuts
Cause he has played well
pearl stratus
Can't you just buy tokens straight @gaunt acorn
vale pond
whats the atl news gonna be
gaunt acorn
a signing, i'd wager
vale pond
eh thats not that exciting unless its someone rlly good
twilit bronze
Is it too late to earn tokens from watching the streams to get both skins this year? I've never bothered with OWL stuff
Don't particularly feel like spending money
nova wadi
Depends if u can get 100token drops
pearl stratus
Oh, I didn't even read the year. I was skimming
nova wadi
Imagine oge going to wash
pearl stratus
I'm actually hoping that Trill makes his way over to LAV.
nova wadi
Why LAV
pearl stratus
Double aussies.
Custa + Trill.
No one would be able to understand the comms even slightly.
trim shadow
Inb4 Atlanta signs gator or cloneman
Shit trill got signed time for lulsish(gay name) beasthalo panker or cloneman to get a pick up
nova wadi
Numlocked uwu
trim shadow
And him
pearl stratus
Defiant would be a huge upgrade, Washington would be a huge upgrade, Atlanta would be a huge upgrade.
trim shadow
Twitter
pearl stratus
That's why.
trim shadow
Toronto has a great support line
And 37 and ivy are decent
So oge to toronto isnt bad
nova wadi
Isnt defiants dva pretty meh
trim shadow
Theres like a 5% chance sephy and cox will go for oge over pokpo
@nova wadi notice why i didnt mention him
hidden vault
How about custa to move back to dallas?
pearl stratus
Nah, Dallas support line is their best feature.
vale pond
every team has their strengths
vale pond
shanghai's dps, nyxl's supports, titans' bumper
trim shadow
Honestly when they get sold
pearl stratus
I'm expecting every team minus houston to do a bunch of signings in this break.
trim shadow
I expect a full clean out
nova wadi
Endoken what do u think what philly will do?
trim shadow
When they get sold*
vale pond
atlanta's support situation is interesting but dogman is improving and they seem to be focusing on him more now
trim shadow
@nova wadi let fraggi play
pearl stratus
What I think they'll do and what they should do won't be the same.
I think Philly will do nothing.
trim shadow
@vale pond yes
nova wadi
Doesnt fraggi still have the most deaths
pearl stratus
Fragi won't play because Carpe doesn't want to play with him.
That's been leaked multiple times.
nova wadi
I know but either way
pearl stratus
He did, but thats also because Phillys supports are incredibly overrated.
People like Neptuno because he does some fancy stuff, but in terms of actually playing around his tanks he doesn't do it well.
nova wadi
What sado does now with dying first a lot didnt fraggi do that way before as well
trim shadow
Ive never liked neptuno and whoever that main support is
trim shadow
If anything its time for alarm to get moved up
nova wadi
Who is alarm even
hidden vault
I hope carpe gets his shit right and let fragi play
pearl stratus
Just don't let a dps player call the shots for your roster.
hidden vault
Jake
nova wadi
In what team is alarm now then
pearl stratus
Fusion Uni.
trim shadow
fusion university
nova wadi
Alarm replacing boombox?
trim shadow
Boom calls the shots last i heard
nova wadi
Huh
pearl stratus
Boombox is Zen, he'd replace Boombox.
Ideally you'd bring Elk up at the same time.
And just keep that synergy.
And replace both at once.
trim shadow
The atlanta discord confused me@on main supports and flex supports
Lucio is main and zen is flex?
Honestly Elk aint that bad either
nova wadi
I think poko and sado are still solid
trim shadow
But they would have to resynergize
pearl stratus
I think Sado is the least of their worries.
But if you don't have solid game knowledge badly played Goats often just looks like tanks feeding.
vale pond
flex support plays zen moira ana bap
nova wadi
^
vale pond
main support plays lucio mercy
pearl stratus
And most people are smooth brained so they overaccentuate tank death vs. Zarya/Brig issues.
vale pond
proj dps plays brig
trim shadow
in other games main supports have burst healing
nova wadi
Eqo isnt that bad either right?
pearl stratus
He's... mid.
He's not a great Brig, he's not a bad Brig.
He's just kind of there.
Carpe just has a pretty horrid Zarya that he plays like it isn't Goats.
trim shadow
Eqo is the definition of just being there
He doesnt stand out or anything
Besides his long sleeves
nova wadi
I just want my philly to be good again 😪
trim shadow
Uk philly isnt getting lucky this year and making it back to grand finals
pearl stratus
They need to scrap their coaching, and temper some egos.
trim shadow
That hype up video before stage 1 was cute
nova wadi
Def endoken
trim shadow
Teams should look at how the dallas and atlanta coaching is builtp
nova wadi
For some reason my dumbass was hoping to see whoru in owl but hes too young either way
pearl stratus
He'll have the same issues.
I'm calling it now - if anyone but Seoul gets WhoRu its going to backfire like crazy.
nova wadi
Reason is?
trim shadow
Thats usually what happens when koreans enter multicultural situations
pearl stratus
He's the literal definition of a drama queen with a huge ego.
nova wadi
sounds like contenders has some great personalities
pearl stratus
Lunatic Hai benched him during Apex seasons/finals for the same reason.
It's historic.
So it happened in Korea with LH first.
Then it started happening in FU
So they lent him to MA.
nova wadi
Yikes
Is there anyone else you guys would like to see come up from contenders? Cause i havent been able to keep up with much
Except runaway v2 losing
trim shadow
Ive stated cloneman
nova wadi
Numlocked 🙂
pearl stratus
You won't see anyone from outside the US moved up till next season, imo.
Visa stuff just takes too long.
nova wadi
Fair
pearl stratus
There's a few tanks in the US who could move up, though they won't fit into a lot of the teams since they're not mixed.
supple prism
like me
pearl stratus
You could argue for people like Snillo/Logix. I think Snillo could replace Carpe easily in their current 3:3.
I'd say Water from Glad Legion is also good enough.
nova wadi
What about zach
pearl stratus
@minor flame He's been flexing in Contenders, he was the FU Zarya iirc.
Worst Lucio?
Probably Kris
trim shadow
Yea ageeed
trim shadow
echo quest
@trim shadow Super is Italian lmaoooooo
trim shadow
Is that why hes arrogant