Until a more mechanically skilled meta comes along
#esports-discussion
jagged crater
havent payed much attention , is marve1 getting more playtime?
tawdry whale
that doesnt make seoul top 5
trim shadow
When fissure and fleta get reinterrgrated nothing should seoul from a end of season playoff run
jagged crater
but fissure is still being played
trim shadow
Cause at this point stage championships dont matter
Rumors is marve1 is more aggresive so it enables seoul to play goats better
tawdry whale
doubt that fissure is way more agressive than marve1
trim shadow
Hence I think monte or doa saying u need a aggresive rein todo good goats But hangzhou still got beat in the school yard
tawdry whale
guys\
if shanghai makes the playoffs the only team that hasnt from s1 is mayhem
garbage org
balmy wolf
tfw your academy team is better than your owl team
trim shadow
inb4 rigging
tawdry whale
xepher for manatten yikes
balmy wolf
how is xepher actually still in owl
tawdry whale
the scrim god bruh
balmy wolf
stfu hooreg is the one true scrim god
tawdry whale
Hooreg is the goat ( he has the most accolades out of anyone in owl )
trim shadow
Xepher is the only owl pro so far that has taken steps back in terms of play
Like strides backwards
tawdry whale
if hooreg didnt get dropped he would have been s1 champion too
trim shadow
Hooreg is on vancouver
tawdry whale
from london bruh
blazing parrot
hooreg not getting playtime, but he get those number one season royales
jagged crater
i remember hooreg from gc busan, he was the silent carry
still applies today literally
jagged crater
gc busan hooreg silent carry in-game.
Today's hooreg silent carry on the bench
jagged crater
he could've stayed london bench in season 1 and london would've won
trim shadow
Hooreg and mickie are reserved to cheering
minor flame
Hooreg is the best player in the league
jagged crater
rip mickie, only a matter of time
minor flame
Hes responsible for all of Vancouver wins
tawdry whale
^
jagged crater
he's basically there for PMA and fanbase
tawdry whale
I mean contender teams said he was really scary in scrims and didnt want to face him
so he must be godlike
jagged crater
hooreg making scrimbucks worthwhile
xepher spent his scrimbucks on blackjack and lost all of it
trim shadow
Mickie is probably still scrimming
If bacon yvetal and ameng can come back from a hiatus anyone else cam
Not yvetal
yxl
slender lance
I don't think we will see harryhook or Mickie this stage
Mabye taimou but probably not
slender lance
Closer and note are just better
trim shadow
By miles
I wouldnt be suprised if harry and tai never het play again
But then again
Effecr retired
jagged crater
was yxl the dude silkthread said was insane
trim shadow
So tai could get play
jagged crater
silkthread said yxl was the nastiest hitscan he ever played against
something lik ethat
trim shadow
We know yxl is insane look at his widowshots this stage
jagged crater
he's nutters
jagged crater
mickie has not been good cept for when dva and brig came into the meta
so he's like a good early adopter
trim shadow
Wouldnt be suprised to see YXL get more play time. Over bacon
tawdry whale
he's better than bacon
jagged crater
until everyone else adapts and mickie becomes 2nd rate
tawdry whale
Taimous saying he only plays ow during scrims and stream is all you need to hear
i doubt he will play a game
trim shadow
Ow isnt exactly a great game to play outside of streaming and Pro play
limber pine
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/bgwqja/hey_roverwatch_its_jack_box_from_fuel_house_here/
trim shadow
With the way ow is right now
jagged crater
i miss effect already 😦
weird not seeing him in these when just recently he made a comeback video
trim shadow
We still havent got a thank you effect video
jagged crater
this was only 2 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssUrNXK2x3c
Had a lot of hopes for him coming back
trim shadow
fucking zacharee
slender lance
Effect wasn't as good as he was in season 1
He had a really good zarya before this season but he just seemed to loose all his skill in that hero
balmy wolf
Is the Zarya playstyle in GOATS any different than from old triple tank?
limber pine
Zarya is the main damage dealer
so if she dies you can't burn shields and stuff
but idk how that differed from old triple tank
slender lance
I'm the old trip tank I thought you had a dps
Which was expected to do the majority of damage
I might be wrong tho
trim shadow
Old 3-3 didnt have brig i think
limber pine
wasn't Slamulance quad tank?
limber pine
yeah with moira and lucio
slender lance
I thought it was ana lucio
inland pawn
Effect was better at clicking heads 😃
slender lance
At least what envy played was that
Moria Lucio what some teams did once Moira came out
But before it was ana or mercy with lucio
pearl stratus
Back on to an earlier question though - Yes. Zarya in Goats plays very different from non-Goats Zarya.
The entire mentality around bubbling changes, etc.
If you want to see that difference in reality Sinatraa is a good study. Because his OWWC Zarya played incorrectly for Goats.
But his current one speaks for itself.
vagrant cargo
@tawdry whale Seoul is easily above London lol
What did London achieve so far
They won against a Boston that choked map 3
Almost lost to a shitty Fusion
Where they didnt get a single Tick for 5 minutes
limber pine
but they're playing a lot better than Stage 1
vagrant cargo
And clapped a weak Atlanta
limber pine
They "look" better
vagrant cargo
Yes thats true
I can see them going 2-0
But Seoul Beat nyxl, Beat Dallas 4-0 and choked map 5 against Gladiators
They are Overall a better Team imo
Their individuals arent on London level
limber pine
well yeah
vagrant cargo
But they have better Teamplay
pearl stratus
My issue with Seoul is that..
How do I say this.
You literally need dice to predict Seoul.
Because they have little to no consistency and can change from brilliant to bad in a week to week format.
It's so frustrating.
trim shadow
Seoul is that one team that has 20 different playstyles
And you never know for certain whos playing and whos doing what
Chengdu has weird playstyles
And seoul is a confused transgender
limber pine
And they still have two more players on their way
trim shadow
Ilicit and highly
I think highly is a support
And ilicit might be dps
The comps are just gonna get even weirder
mint flower
R they in LA rn?
balmy wolf
It takes a while for US visas to process.
balmy wolf
trim shadow
Lul san fran posted deleting brig
balmy wolf
i saw one that said that
jagged crater
element mystic new copy pasta?
balmy wolf
what
wheat cedar
balmy wolf
how about OWL teams
jagged crater
maybe
trim shadow
inb4 Dallas and houston fans brawl after the game
Fucking houston is gonna get dominates this weekend
balmy wolf
j
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trim shadow
I feel bad for all those green and black fans showing up
balmy wolf
im a gold and black fan
trim shadow
Theyre like a hour apart righy?
balmy wolf
trim shadow
Nvm
balmy wolf
what?
trim shadow
About 2 hours apart
dire flax
iam sad
vital scaffold
Hello sad
trim shadow
minor flame
Who does Nero play
vital scaffold
he looks happy
minor flame
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
upper niche
HZS vs CDH will be fun to watch.
balmy wolf
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
swift moth
trim shadow
Shame the showmatch for the homestand dallas v houston will be a absolute beatdown
unique rain
hidden vault
Houston will raise up at best dallas
4-0 hands down
Lol dallas and their shit player
hidden vault
And dallas traded their sombra away
bold cape
😪
rocky ginkgo
sullen berry
I ike the expansion teams, they didn't take long to catch up to the main archetypes: all Korean and international rosters
Ranging from very good potential
And the removal of shanghai and dallas as orgs under a lot of heat
upper niche
huh?
oh, as in Dallas players always getting themselves in to shit and Shanghai being unable to beat a team of 12 year olds?
sullen berry
that
and making comments about your team scrimming to death is the number one party trick in owl
on how to throw your chances for the season
I didn't expect pity support like shanghai to get so big last year
tender pasture
Is Atlanta Reign still a relevant team when it comes to the owl?
sullen berry
not this stage
they did surprisingly well overall in stage 1
and beating NYXL on a bad day is regarded an achievement since the talent behind them was always there
even with babybay on zarya managed not to mess up on his ult timings here and there
their match vs the charge was clown fiesta levels of insanity
trim shadow
Bias statement but also slightly true
candid cypress
Yeah I totally agree with that as well
I was very surprised they were able to counter the likes of pine
tawny sigil
which match should be interesting on an equal skill level ground point this week?
tawny sigil
dallas houston will be 1 sided you think?
of the top of my head... houston is considered low tier and dallas mid tier now?
native goblet
slender lance
I don't think Dallas will obliterate
Mabye a 3-1
But definitely not a 4-0
If they make the same mistakes as they made while playing against Seoul then they won't dominate Houston
tawny sigil
you knwo both team will prepare like crazy for that match
lets see if flame was full of shit
trim shadow
I can tell whos watched matches this stage
trim shadow
Lul
tawny sigil
the youtube copyright system failed me... i tried uploading this OWL segment so it would get copyright claimed so i could get this song title, but i guess they had it custom made
https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.32&!muted&video=v409644190&collection=&time=03h02m15s
slender lance
maybe im just dumb but im not understanding this too well
like how is it supposed to work
limber pine
teams are ranked based on past performances
the top 5 get a pass to the group stage
the next 5 spots are won in the preliminaries
limber pine
I agree, but it not surprising to see it coming based on all the layoffs this year
5 prelim byes will likely go to US/SK/France/China/Canada
slender lance
the problem with have the 5 byes is they might not deserve a spot
one of them might not be as good this year as they were last year
pearl stratus
Not esport side note, but the workshop thing looks crazy interesting.
limber pine
It's hard to believe that the 5 teams I listed won't be good
tawny sigil
something like the workshop is what created dota my dudes
limber pine
US memes aside
pearl stratus
I could see France/US/Canada having to rival with UK honestly, based off their past performance.
But historically US has always ranked high.
But what it actually does is makes it so the bracket games aren't boring.
So you can let other zons shine
slender lance
i dont think US, Canada, or UK will be as good
or china even
US will have a good team its just the meta that gonna screw them
they got upset by UK last year and everyone thought US was gonna win easily
i also think since your gonna see teams that we havent seen make the playoffs they are gonna get rolled
US will prolly be the best of the byes not including SK
karmic grotto
Today I dreamed of the match South-Korea vs China
and China dominated hard
With a Zarya player YounghtLee
Someone ever heard of that player?
slender lance
apparently
my question is is Finland gonna make it
fragi hasn't played since the world cup
so do they have another main tank
trim shadow
But some of the layoffs and cuts in cost were to owwc
pearl stratus
Just realized one new rule thats going to screw a lot of countries.
18+ by time of travel for OWWC.
So for instance, no Leave for China.
pearl stratus
I mean.
It's no different from any other year.
Except this time they can actually go to LA if they choose.
pearl stratus
Because everything is at Blizzcon this year, not random little stage things globally from what I can tell.
But Blizzard isn't going to pay for every shit team to go to LA, lol
nova wadi
How do u expect college kids to pay for all that though
pearl stratus
I mean if you weren't a top 10 team you didn't matter either way.
To be completely 100% honest.
You were Spain showing up to your qualifiers
And going 0-5.
Also you prepare.
The world cup isn't till November.
If you can't save enough in the next six months to manage a flight and hotel for 2-3 days
I don't know what to tell you.
pearl stratus
Per person?
mint turtle
unless your an adult
pearl stratus
You're really not.
mint turtle
like 25+
pearl stratus
IT's 18+ anyway.
For a UK player, for instance, round trip to Anaheim is about 380 pounds. Split the hotel room. You're probably at about a thousand per person.
And thats with no organizational help, or anything like that.
So you need to save roughly $150 a month.
nova wadi
Things i see are 600-900 here in NL
pearl stratus
Okay, but NL has never had a team thats done anything.
So... with no offense
Why woudl you go?
limber pine
but what's the likelihood that a team outside the top 10 would even want to come to a tournament that they'll likely lose
nova wadi
They did fairly well.
pearl stratus
They went 3-2 in one of the worst brackets though.
limber pine
Top 10 is SK, Canada, China, UK, Sweden, France, USA, Australia, Russia, and Finland
pearl stratus
If you're not in the top 2 of your bracket, historically, its a personal thing to go.
Not an earned thing.
So they're providing options for lots of teams to go, if they want to. Keyword is more on if they want to.
limber pine
I just don't know how many teams they'll get to come outside of the top 10
especially since it's single elim
in the prelims
pearl stratus
I think it'll vary. I don't think they'll get a ton, but I also think (based on viewer numbers last year) they might not care.
People barely watched qualifiers as it was, and even less when it was 'teams that didn't matter'
limber pine
then why not just invite the top 10 and skip prelims all together
trim shadow
Ahh blizzard doing blizzard things
Not supporting wc players who are mostly the same as owl players
limber pine
only the US SK field mostly OWL teams
trim shadow
Canada to
pearl stratus
Like i know we'll get Tweedle Dumfucks who don't understand things saying Blizzard should pay for everyone.
trim shadow
Itll be half and half
pearl stratus
But at that point you're better off going back to localized, badly done qualifiers.
And if you take out the bye teams from those qualifiers, does anyone care?
I'm not watching the Incheon Qualifiers if SK isn't playing
trim shadow
I dont believe in everyone should have free healthcare so i dont expect blizz to pay for hotels and shit
limber pine
at least teams like the Netherlands and Brazil made it interesting
trim shadow
Most of the 1st world countries should be straight
But then again most of the teams are first world?
pearl stratus
Also only 5 teams gets byes.
Which means Blizzard is flying in 5 other teams, on their own dime.
Which I'm guessing will be US (lol), Finland, Brazil, whichever of Sweden/France doesn't get the bye, and most likely NL.
pearl stratus
I only saw your math for the top 5.
pearl stratus
Did you do the percentages based on year, as well?
pearl stratus
Hard to tell with no formulas.
pearl stratus
Yeah I assumed, just making sure
trim shadow
Inb4 nlaeer pops off for team russia
pearl stratus
So you know there's a bunch who will be flown in on Blizzards dimes.
The ones who have a chance at winning.
Anyone else who goes is just icing on the cake.
I'm more upset about the 18+ thing, but I'm sure there was some stupid legal requirement that changed.
trim shadow
I wonder whos gonna get on south korea considering the fuck ton of talent they have
pearl stratus
I still, personally, think the OWWC should be non-pros only but thats me.
It would also piss off OWL players.
trim shadow
But uk south koreans are very patriotic about there country
But if they send all of vancouver they have no flexibility
trim shadow
I doubt bumper will get the nod
Cause outside of vancouver hell drop massively in play
Unless hes a secret fissure
pearl stratus
Just do Shanghai + NYXL DPS. Give Libero Diem and Dding to play with.
vagrant cargo
If Team russia gets a group that doesnt have both best teams
They will probably make it
We Lack a offsup tho
trim shadow
Rusha*
gaunt hawk
trim shadow
So theee korean players have gone missing from a contenders website or sumthing?
Gargoyle dpi and korian?
vale pond
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
trim shadow
Benchmob thinks there going to a owl team
Or i think its benchmob talking
Karayan*
trim shadow
Twitter
red dust
Let's go dallas fuel 
trim shadow
Like i said blizzard fucking over its players or community
karmic grotto
both
trim shadow
Sinatraa and zach wouldve never made owl if it wasnt for world cup
limber pine
Sinatraa would have 100% without World Cup
Zach idk
playing on FU helps
players like EQO though would not have
red dust
So some players get money and some get less
trim shadow
I never knew who sinatraa was till wc
Ben made owl from world cup
Some cn players made owl from world cup
Guxue in particular
I think yvetal as well
tawdry whale
@trim shadow I doubt guxue made owl due to wc he was a top 5 main tank in China in 2017
The best the year after
trim shadow
He basically erased any doubts with his performance in wc so technically wc helped him get into owl
Weve seen alot of top contenders players go unsigned andd guxue probably wouldve been one of em
tawdry whale
That’s true but he already owl prior to owl
I doubt he would go unsigned
Just saw the owwc shit
Is Canada second after Korea because of their second and third medals?
18+ ? Fuck these rules
Leave and shy might no make it
Neither will phatiphan the only owl level in Thailand
Player*
trim shadow
And wayfast
limber pine
yeah, but we dont know the point values for 2nd-Top 16
we only know gold is 10 pts and top 32 is 1 pt
balmy wolf
quite happy that overwatch league in dallas is earlier than the usual times, eu fans actually get to sleep 
pearl stratus
Time zones are different 😛
It's a decent indicator that players will play according to local time (within reason).
I'd assume when they get to Atlanta, it'll be even earlier.
Because it'll be EST.
So the players will probably start ~5pm EST (2 PST)
river ember
Yay there’s a World Cup
trim shadow
It will be miles earlier cause when its regular time the last game of the day starts around 11 to 12 midnight and the first one of the day starts at 6 or 7 @pearl stratus
balmy wolf
Okay for team UK, is FunnyAstro > Kruise?
Also controversial pick, Numlocked for UK main tank
I got some shit from my friends earlier for not picking Fusions but I defended him with his recent contenders performances
pearl stratus
It's hard picks either way since neither of the two have, realistically played in OWL. So they're both just contenders players.
Numlocked played one map, and lost it to Shanghai.
His recent Contenders performance has been good, but so has Fusions OWL performance.
balmy wolf
Yeah I know but last world cup was primarily contenders players too
Boombox was the only OWL player in 2018 team UK
pearl stratus
Only because they didn't have other options.
There wasn't an OWL MT.
Boombox was literally the only UK player who got stage time.
balmy wolf
Ofc, that's where the whole "tier 2 team in a tier 1 tournament" meme came from
pearl stratus
So thats not a fair argument.
Because I could argue had they had OWL players they wouldn't have used the Contenders ones 😛 And we'd both be right.
balmy wolf
Ofc they're still gonna pick Fusions because he has OWL experience now
Plus he's a popular player
Most people aren't gonna know who Numlocked is
pearl stratus
He's also got one huge thing going.
balmy wolf
gigachad status
balmy wolf
Ye
pearl stratus
I don't see Numlocked being that same presence.
pearl stratus
That's another one where it could go either way. Kruise has better and more opportunities to tighten up.
I think its more likely than Numlocked though.
balmy wolf
FunnyAstro would probably have to prove himself more on ATL Academy (and in OWL if they give him a few games)
But Kruise is probably the more likely pick, but I can see FunnyAstro being in the selected 12 players
Maybe just not the starting 6
limber pine
they only get 6+1 this year
pearl stratus
Probably not, honestly.
balmy wolf
That's what I mean
trim shadow
Pretty sure from the moment fusions sits down to the moment fusions finishes the match
He never stops talking
balmy wolf
Fusions is a very talkative guy
trim shadow
Always communicating planning etc
pearl stratus
I think he'd make a team, but I don't see him wanting to travel and spend the money for it.
trim shadow
Fusions has the quality of a coach
pearl stratus
He's like Jake.
Remember when everyone said to bench Jake?
Now Jake's benched.
And Houston looks lost 24/7.
balmy wolf
What does Houston need to do
trim shadow
Nothing till theyre fully sold
balmy wolf
Jake and Arhan and Linkzr are all bad Brigs
pearl stratus
Nothing they can do right now. They need new players, but can't actually spend money etc.
And its not them being sold. It's their parent group replacing an investor, the main one.
balmy wolf
Have they tried Danteh on Brig?
pearl stratus
It's the same for their LoL team, CoD team etc right now.
They're all hard stuck.
It's Infinite E-Sport, which owns Optic, etc.
For me they need to stop their complete reliance on Goats. They can play DPS comps quite well. And they need to better use what they have.
I think they should give more looks to Bani on Zen. It's not his primary role but missing him and Jake hurts their overall performance
As Bani has one of the best minds for ult tracking in western players.
And Jake is just big brain.
balmy wolf
Bani played Zen in Contenders on FNRGFE didn't he?
pearl stratus
I still, and will continually argue, that their best potential line up would be: Muma, Spree, Danteh, Jake, Bani, Boink.
balmy wolf
That means Spree Zarya or on Dva?
pearl stratus
Both. I think at this point, from what I've seen, he plays both better than Coolmatt.
He just hates D'va.
But if they do the line up I listed they could run Sombra Goats
Which is something I don't think they run enough of.
And really can't when they field Coolmatt.
Basically I think Houston would do well if the emulated more of Shanghai's play type.
Where they can play Goats, Sombra Goats, and DPS with the same line up.
Spree doesn't have a great DPS pool, but he has a few.
So they could even run 1:3:2 with that comp.
analog lark
It's kinda funny that i just saw 10 SK teams for the World cup with completely different rosters of entirely different people and they all look like they could win OWWC
trim shadow
Sk will 100% be owl based
vale pond
sk, finland, usa, and maybe britain will be mostly if not 100% owl based
tawdry whale
Nah
trim shadow
The uk has 7 owl players?
tawdry whale
Doubt dafran will play
trim shadow
Ahh
tawdry whale
Kyb,fusions,boombox
Who else?
Reddit is too funny lmao people are saying ameng is better than guxue xD in the owwc roster thread
trim shadow
Rest would have to be contenders or british hurricane i think
trim shadow
Sk needs a A and B team
trim shadow
And contenders talent
slender lance
I doubt that there will be contenders players in the SK owwc team
They just have too much talent to choose from in owl
trim shadow
@queen drift yes*
trim shadow
gaunt acorn
uneven wren
oof
slender lance
More like meet the kid who is paid to feed in tracer
Wait
I meant brig
Pretend I don't exist
supple prism
tawny sigil
thanks to some audacity magics, i managed to get that Bass OWL song from 2 weeks ago without the sound effect... so much just for 1 random song.
night tusk
imagine OWWC france would have Winz again for their support player spot
sullen berry
imagine OWWC australia would have Muselk again for their support player spot
Battle of the incapables
trim shadow
Muselk is to deep into fortnite clickbait to care
sullen berry
Apex now, probably
trim shadow
Apex and fortnite
night tusk
title "doomfist nerfed?" because mccree got buffed what everyone know, now that means doom got nerfed..
trim shadow
Zarya nerfed? looses 100 hp
sullen berry
The same can be said about tracer buffed way back when dive was first getting recognition and there were zero changes to her kit
balmy wolf
sullen berry
It's all about the situation around them
sullen berry
Now I want to see what the Asian Market sponsors will be like in 2020
If Fanatics taught me anything
sullen berry
You're probably going to get a taste of bud light outside NA
They are playing around with sponsors now
queen drift
I wonder when we’ll see a red bull team
sullen berry
I want less state farm and more hp and bilibili
queen drift
Bilibili is probably heavily promoted on the Chinese streams
It’s not big in the west
sullen berry
I couldn't care for bud light but at least they have a reason to separate their beverage sponsors
queen drift
Bud light?
queen drift
Yeah but it’s still an alchohol beverage sponsor lol
trim shadow
Budlight has a shit ton of money so its probably easier
sullen berry
I associate bud light with marketing dense advertising
pearl stratus
Bud Light is sex in a canoe.
sullen berry
I have no reason to want one
trim shadow
Budlight will just look good on the branding
sullen berry
But I have seen restaurants that have women dressed awkwardly in racing stripes who stand there to be called by patrons when they want a bud light
pearl stratus
It's still a solid sponsor, which the OWL seems to be in no small supply of.
sullen berry
It's a brand more so than a drink to me
trim shadow
What brand is domestic and from europe?
sullen berry
Like beats
pearl stratus
And further proves how obnoxiously stupid ever little "TWITCH NUMBERS ARE DOWN" posts were, and should have been removed by the mods.
trim shadow
Coke Disney espn
pearl stratus
For the US? I dunno. Google, Amazon, etc.
queen drift
ESPN isn’t that big
trim shadow
I think comcast as well
sullen berry
McDonald's Australia 🇦🇺
queen drift
Yeah but I was thinking stuff you’d actually see ads for and promoted
sullen berry
Gotta have a tight control on the overall media impression with their sponsors
queen drift
You wouldn’t really see google promoted
trim shadow
T mobile sponsors two teams
pearl stratus
They do sponsorship stuff though.
trim shadow
But at@t is better
sullen berry
Anyone remomber some of the vague sponsors they had during season 1 mid season?
sullen berry
You got your sour patch kids
pearl stratus
Don't they have State Farm too now?
queen drift
Ye
sullen berry
So they have achieved their job
pearl stratus
State Farm is a big $$$ one in the US.
trim shadow
I think once u get coke A cellphone company a car company and a beer or achohol your set and officially a sports leauge
queen drift
They’re partnered with twitch as well
trim shadow
Everyone partners with twitch
sullen berry
What about a series of PC manufacturers other than HP
pearl stratus
Not big in the US.
queen drift
I doubt they’ll do another pc brand
sullen berry
You know that had to be the top score
queen drift
While they have hp
sullen berry
Intel and HP Omen sounds like too heavy of a sponsorship role
queen drift
Only team specific sponsors like Logitech SFS spitfire
pearl stratus
Banks and Hotels would be their next big one.
sullen berry
League has Acer
pearl stratus
Especially for the international stuff.
queen drift
Corsair fuel
trim shadow
If marlboro becomes the sponsor then were set
pearl stratus
They have individual team ones
sullen berry
Something else I can't recall rn has Alienware which is dell's gaming brand
trim shadow
Marlboro sponsors everything
pearl stratus
Corsair, Razor, Logitech, etc.
queen drift
Yeah I know but that’s different to an actual PC sponsor
pearl stratus
Which I think those brands are better done as team to team sponsorship over league.
queen drift
You don’t want competition between advertises, decentivises advertisers
pearl stratus
Yeah but besides HP really when was the last time you saw a computer commercial
queen drift
You see them a lot here in the uk
trim shadow
Corsair sponsors dallas and evyus directly
pearl stratus
They're not big in the US at all anymore
I'd say they phased out nearly entirely in the last 5 years or so.
queen drift
What about Microsoft
pearl stratus
You get some Mac ones, but thats rare.
sullen berry
Hololens get on board
pearl stratus
Not a bad sponsor overall, but doesn't quite align to them. The most they could really advertise effectively would be Xbox and maybe the Surface line.
sullen berry
You're not from EU fox? 😏
queen drift
Or Windows
pearl stratus
So my only thing with that is for Microsoft its kind of a waste.
trim shadow
Doesnt alfa romeo sponsor the nfl? Or sponsor someone major
pearl stratus
You don't need to advertise WIndows really.
sullen berry
Ah yes, thanks 🦊
pearl stratus
If I'm thinking it just from their monetary point of view.
If you get in cheap enough, yeah.
queen drift
Can you even run ow on iOS
pearl stratus
You have to bootcamp it.
sullen berry
Why do you really want microsft when Malik is a living sponsor?
queen drift
When are we gonna see cringey jake TikToks
pearl stratus
I think Banks and Hotels make the most sense for who they go to next.
sullen berry
As long as he breathes Console memes, he's done all the soft reminding without the branding
trim shadow
The hilton inn?
pearl stratus
Especially if they can get an international hotel chain.
That helps them, and the advertiser.
Because say like..
Hilton becomes the official hotel of the OWL.
pearl stratus
And then probably Bank of America or something like that
BoA loves to throw their name on everything.
sullen berry
the Overwatch League is brought to you by sour patch kids candy crush saga
queen drift
D:
pearl stratus
Even though BoA is a shit show 😛
trim shadow
Wells fargo has more money tho
sullen berry
The darkest timeline
queen drift
Was sourpatchkids / jack in the box the first sponsors?
For owl
Not including owwc
sullen berry
App companies like Zynga affording a slot in the Overwatch league
trim shadow
I think t mobile came first
sullen berry
Jack was probably the first in ff chains on board
trim shadow
@sullen berry inb4 Gameloft buys a team
pearl stratus
I mean.
Zynga averages just shy of a billion dollars in revenue yearly.
They could easily own a slot 😛
sullen berry
Followed by McDonald's Australia in Contendies
queen drift
Oh that’s actually a thing?
sullen berry
@pearl stratus just which one of the deep pockets on the board would be interested is the question
queen drift
Where’s my Mtn Dew Doritos sponsorship
queen drift
I don’t like it
queen drift
But you gotta really drill home that TEENAGE GAMERS MAKING MONEY
pearl stratus
I think technically Twitch would be considered the first sponsor.
With the 90M two year deal.
sullen berry
We have to ALIGN with our CUSTOMERS to better ENGAGE with our PRODUCTS
queen drift
They didn’t have a deal until they were already streaming tho did they?
pearl stratus
They got the deal right before the season.
Not pre-season.
Pre-season was on MLG.
queen drift
Pre season has sponsors tho orc
sullen berry
@pearl stratus you can definitely stretch further back to other blizzard ip that have carried over
queen drift
Iirc
pearl stratus
Well yeah, but I want stuff more like defined stirctly for OWL.
sullen berry
MLG bitrate though is perfect for gamers
pearl stratus
MLG still is better.
queen drift
Bitrate
sullen berry
Nitrate
limber pine
need those tokens
queen drift
Do they still stream on MLG?
sullen berry
We're talking nitrogen now
sullen berry
Sprite the esports guy
pearl stratus
Noclue.
sullen berry
You want locally targeted Twitch ads
sullen berry
It's less user friendly by a smidge
trim shadow
Mlg has a smoother stream i wont lie
pearl stratus
Agreed, but literally 200% of the bitrate quality.
limber pine
but the stream is eons better
pearl stratus
Shroud gets better bitrate than OWL.
sullen berry
Who wants an MLG account when I can follow a bunch of strimmers and spend more money?
pearl stratus
Let that sink in.
Shroud still has his special rate that Twitch gave him, iirc.
He's got 8k.
To OWL's 6k.
trim shadow
Cause shrouds aim his esport career and his personality made him the good version of ninja
pearl stratus
I mean just remember though, you don't get that wonderous twitch chat on MLG.
trim shadow
Mlg is android and twitch is apple
pearl stratus
I show twitch chat to people sometimes.
When they ask why I'm so pro-choice, and a little eugenics minded.
It's a great argument winner.
"Just imagine if none of this had been born."
"You right."
balmy wolf
WERE PARTNERED WITH BUD LIGHT BITCHES
pearl stratus
Oh fuck.
balmy wolf
pearl stratus
We also forgot the most american sponsor of them all guys.
balmy wolf
but for real coca cola and bud light is huge
pearl stratus
Fucking Walmart.
balmy wolf
OH YEAH
pearl stratus
So we're missing Walmart, a bank and a hotel sponsor.
We'e got the soda company, the beer company, the insurance company and the car company so far.
pearl stratus
Watch in a surprise move we get Dicks Sporting Goods, and they create a little e-sports center in their stores with some OWL jerseys, and then the keyboards and mice that hte pros use.
sullen berry
Walmart cannot be making enough money from their PCs to do any sponsorship deals of this scale, surely?
/s
Lifestyle brand for a lifestyle game
🦀 Dethrone State Farm 🦀
sullen berry
wallet coughs out a cloud of dust
@trim shadow Samsung morning star is pretty weak branding in comparison to Samsung Blue
sullen berry
Why not IKEA smh
trim shadow
Kroger or ikea
sullen berry
There's you EU Sponsor
trim shadow
I want to see that match
pearl stratus
Those poor two normies.
ruby pendant
how have the OWL games been so far? Haven't been watching for the last 2 weeks. Did the goats nerf work?
vale pond
Its been working p well
sullen berry
@ruby pendant oh man oh man
sullen berry
I'm still not finished watching the VOD since last week against atlanta and guangzhou
ruby pendant
eh!
sullen berry
Havent even made it through King's row
vale pond
it was a shit show the whole game
sullen berry
ruby pendant
ima watch some games then, ya getting me hype!
sullen berry
A good read if you're not into the long watch
ruby pendant
Goats wasn't that bad, just want variety comps
sullen berry
It's a marathon within a marathon
vale pond
Best teams to watch for dps rn are shanghai and chengdu
sullen berry
Chengdu China as a region is going to to make it into their first stage playoffs
ruby pendant
@sullen berry "Guangzhou Charge had secured their first win of Stage 2 in a marathon against the Atlanta Reign, which featured an incredible 33 points. "
WOW, must have been epic game
pearl stratus
If you want to watch some of the better ones.
Shanghai's most recent games have been high dps play.
Stick with Shock/Vancouver if you want to watch Goats.
Chengdu is always fun to watch.
ruby pendant
Speaking of justice how's are they doing?
pearl stratus
I recommend the shitshow of Houston v. Shanghai.
ruby pendant
Ark was suppose to join them
pearl stratus
Because you get to see Diya play.
ruby pendant
@pearl stratus k
pearl stratus
So Diya officially has a win where he was on the roster now.
trim shadow
@ruby pendant they picked up sleepy
vale pond
The atlanta gz game was a shitshow
trim shadow
Once intergrated SURELY SURELY WASHINGTON SHOULD GET SOME WINS
trim shadow
@vale pond welcome to sports and mental booming
trim shadow
Ive said it multiple times
pearl stratus
And get a main tank.
vale pond
their maintank is ok
trim shadow
Wizard had to connect his pieces
Has*
And make his own stratergies
He was one of the many reasons nyxl was good
ruby pendant
@trim shadow Hopes so, would be awesome if Justice can reverse course.
@pearl stratus lol why don't you like janus? Is he really that bad??
smol im still going to watch, 33 points is no joke!
pearl stratus
I don't think Wizard and Janus are the answer, especially with their roster set up. Janus still plays like Janus but without the set up of the NYXL supports that couldn't keep up last year either.
I think they would have done better picking up someone like Beasthalo, Panker, etc.
It would have isolated Ado some, but since picking up Ark they have a tool for the language barrier
trim shadow
I had a convo about washington picking up cloneman on the atlanta discord @pearl stratus
vale pond
how is ado’s english?
limber pine
The issue with Janus is that you could have gotten his current production without the money invested
with somebody else
Assuming Washington spent a shit ton of money on him
trim shadow
More then likely alot of money was dropped
washington put alot down for coaches
And probably a good amount of janus and minimum contracts for the rest
spiral ruin
let's go paris!!!!!!! And destroy london 
!!!!!!
sullen berry
I saw it
They took four maps off my boys
Never again if they see each other for a Playin scenario
trim shadow
Against a confused guangzhou*
sullen berry
Theyve never looked more confused on Paris map
trim shadow
Paris will go 0-2 this weekend
sullen berry
You know when you go onto PTR and you're checking the map by playing your control game with goal in kind? That's Charge for you
vale pond
who do they play after london?
sullen berry
1-1
trim shadow
4-0 by london 3-1 by hangzhou
sullen berry
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
trim shadow
3-1*
sullen berry
Paris can take out an overrated spark
vale pond
Fair
sullen berry
Especially dps, I don't really favour them it's just the upset potential exists against spitfire
sullen berry
They lost to dragons, who are a decent team
If eternal can get more out of greyy
I don't see how Paris can't make it a 3-1 or even a 2-1
fresh epoch
Why can't we get Allied Healthbars in the game?
trim shadow
Its a hinderence
sullen berry
What do you mean
The observation serves its job
It's the least intrusive and you see them all
Birds eye view healthbars isn't a bad alternative
fresh epoch
If I could ask for one feature or tell Jeff one thing it would be Allied Healthbars somewhere does not have to be big. Not for the Viewers only but also for the game!!!
sullen berry
I'm fine with the allied health bars that are already in game
fresh epoch
@sullen berry well yes but if a teammate is behind you or out of sight and he doesn't talk in VC I feel so sad if someone dies.
sullen berry
you could have been more specific
If they're not in my foreground of view then they either should be dead or in a position I don't need to worry about them
fresh epoch
It would just encourage me to turn around and look out for my teammates, I'm a support main. I mean somewhere on the screen I want a Bar with all my Teammates and the Healthbar at all times underneath or next to it.
sullen berry
And there's no need to be overwhelmed over deaths, do you think profit would give up if gesture died on rein?
I play flex support and I don't like the clutter that could cause. Overwatch isn't always a PvE where I want to micromanage my team's health pool as much
fresh epoch
Well my point is not about micromanage, some people just don't use voice chat at all, if I would know he's half or low I'd just turn around or get him some heals.
And there are other things in the UI you can turn off as well. Like the Healths over Allies themselves or the Performance Stats.
sullen berry
In a #overwatch-serious environment, that's the player's loss. I get that there can be improvements to the UI but this is the wrong channel to discuss. #overwatch is more active btw
This is the channel we talk about the broadcasts and big cash money
cedar drum
Why does my OW league app shows that the first game this week starts in around 40 mins from now?
Does that mean Watchpoint will go live any minute now?
Oh....it's tomorrow
cedar drum
Great for me, game starts 9:30 pm instead of in the am.
sullen berry
Which is going to be treated more like a convention with OW broadcasted crammed in
cedar drum
Generally for me games starts at 4:30 am or 12:30 am.
This weekend, I'll be able to watch most games
sullen berry
I can finally watch a whole week of games \o/
It's not cutting through work when they start
Instead I have to be up on Sunday at 4 am
fresh epoch
Let's be honest most people never get excited watching Goats tho, most of my friends just have it open to get Coins. And we usually watched many Games together in Season 1. Now 0.
supple prism
They just need to switch stuff up each stage.
sullen berry
Doomfist was late to the party
fresh epoch
Omegalul I've watched many Games and only a few have been interested to watch.
And don't even come with.. but it's not always goats... 
sullen berry
Tweaks like those to the norm in stage 1 was what I loved to watch
Don't want Goats? Try chengdu
They went from from flavour of the month to the team you can't practice
fresh epoch
Wow only one side no goats.. helps.. 
And then when you watch a team going 2-2-2 almost winning but not actually winning...
sullen berry
Houston could have won it
They didn't try to push the envelope when they had the lead
So they suffered the same fate that every team against Vancouver has shown
fresh epoch
nobody cares goats it's just sad is all.
fresh epoch
Duh bro they get money for it of course
sullen berry
I thought the interview with flame and avast would have broken down why the pressure to play Goats against teams would have been made it clearer
But it's the same explanations being repeated to death, if we still see it through to stage 4
fresh epoch
What interview? Send a link!
sullen berry
But I think the reddit camp of noise over quality discussion seems to think everything is goats
Sure it's from Oversight
Avast from Boston Uprising bench to NA Contenders analyst
fresh epoch
Oh thanks! I'll watch it soon!
Have you ever thought about how they will rebalance Brig when they force 2-2-2? Will she just be buffed like she was before her nerfs or will she have more healing output?
I don't like the sound of both and 2nd sounds broke, because if you give her more ranged healing... Why play Ana then? 😟 🤔