this match was very close
#esports-discussion
pallid brook
like two rouds were 8-7
minor flame
arc
trim shadow
Atlanta got mental boomed
pallid brook
something like that
rare sable
eh alright
pallid brook
atlanta choked a lot
minor flame
Charge had more endurance in the end
trim shadow
Im not even salty about this lost
pallid brook
mostly on defense
trim shadow
It was a good effort
night tusk
Twitter
pallid brook
yeah
minor flame
even for atl
rare sable
pffr
rare sable
i'm a huge fan of atl, and if they did their best and it was a close game, they did good
minor flame
cant talk back to me
vale pond
Unfortunately atlanta has to get their shit together
balmy wolf
like
who the fuck
is going to figure out what beats doomfist goats
cause it's super map specific
vale pond
There go their playoff hopes and losing to xl might screw over their season playoff hopes
minor flame
Sombra has to play defensively
balmy wolf
and u can't sombra against it
night tusk
so they gonna cut dogman hair ?
balmy wolf
cause the zarya bubbles the doom
minor flame
brig is your best option
to peel
your best option
counter bubble
stun
focus
but you lose alot of resources
balmy wolf
stun doesn't stop bubble
minor flame
yeah but counter bubble helps to survive it
rare sable
pff
night tusk
Twitter
minor flame
didnt feel like ATL was that mentally strained in the nyxl match
even they were surprised
like they werent even expecting and try fully
vale pond
I mean now
they’re worn out by a giant mental rollercoaster
playoff hopes dashed
They deserve this week off before being thrusted into xl again
minor flame
i called 3-1 charge
was losing hope
but brought back by Shu
popping the fuck off
vale pond
oof
vale pond
pfft reign isnt gonna win for 3 more games
They play shock and titans
First week of stage 3
vale pond
Then dragons and seoul
Then philly
Then defiant and mayhem
No easy games till the end of the stage
So oof for stage 3 hopefully 4-3
their schedule for stage 4 is a joke except for london though
they could go 6-1 or 5-2 there
maybe make it to season playoffs
north tendon
so basically, charge is a top 3 team in the league atm
just kidding, atlanta sucks
they just got lucky
balmy wolf
I'm a bit disappointed by RCK
just continuously fails to emp both the targets he needed to get rid of for the team win so many times
props to twilight and slime for being able to build their ults that fast
and then just alternate
night tusk
They lost from titans
balmy wolf
to titans*
night tusk
-.-
balmy wolf
And also yea but he had so many opportunities
literally so many opportunities to emp them both
and only got them both like once
idr how many emps he got but i know it was a shit ton but it was extremely disappointing on how many he missed
echo fog
Has the overwatch league grand finals 2019 venue been announced yet? Will it be in NY again this year?
balmy wolf
not yet
echo fog
any idea on when it will be announced? @balmy wolf
was it announced at stage... 3? 4? last season?
night tusk
I think that S1 finals was in NY because everyone believed NYXL would be in the finals lmao
echo fog
really? lol
night tusk
This season the finsls will be in vancouver
echo fog
hmm
balmy wolf
it'll probably be announced after stage 4
night tusk
Well at that time I think everyone believed they would be at the finals
night tusk
ATL tricked NYXL to let them think it was a finals match 
echo fog
LUL
solar olive
oh shit, were there matches tonight
north tendon
nyxl was sandbagging to make teams underestimate
night tusk
All matches are done for this week
north tendon
pavane big brain strats
upper niche
You gotta remember the finals didn't sell out instantly.
echo fog
what happened to pine?????
upper niche
And matches in Burbank had had empty seats
solar olive
oh, so the last section of them was the ones that had shanghai win 3-1
night tusk
Next week just saturday and sunday but in dallas !! (Other times than usuall)
upper niche
They probably picked New York cos they know it might be easier to fill 15k seats.
solar olive
the only matches this upcoming week are on saturday and sunday?
balmy wolf
it's the away games
upper niche
The major esports events in Melbourne and Sydney are pretty much sold out, they get huge crowds.
solar olive
actually, what's the thing for the schedule, is it just ! schedule without space?
echo fog
wasn't pine one of nyxl's top players?
balmy wolf
he was indeed
echo fog
why is he never played?
night tusk
Dallas games are sold out
balmy wolf
he has no place in this meta
upper niche
IEM and MESO that is.
balmy wolf
players don't change
night tusk
Pine can’t play zarya and nenne can play widow if needed
balmy wolf
the player roster changes
echo fog
that's what I meant*
echo fog
roster not player
balmy wolf
man is not as good on widow or tracer as pine or sbb
balmy wolf
linkzr does
and the meta is shifting
we're in a weird period where teams are figuring out what to play
at this point it's extremely team dependent and map dependent
u play the top 3
insta goats always
u go to hunters, they bring out the weirdest shit
u play charge u get doom goats
balmy wolf
u play LAG, you literally have no idea what they're bringing out
night tusk
Did bunny had playtime this season?
solar olive
though I'm confused because schedule says there were matches this afternoon in esports announcements, but I heard someone here say there weren't any today?
worn hornet
WTF is this WWE shit
night tusk
Bowlcut live on OWL
dreamy cave
MY GOD
worn hornet
good god soe that's gruesome
dreamy cave
y cant it just be actual barber?
north tendon
THE STREAM RIGHT NOW LOL
dreamy cave
ur gonna mess up his hair do
north tendon
f for dogman
worn hornet
omg bren
dreamy cave
THATS LITTERALLY NOT FOR DRINKING
solar olive
Vancouver beat Boston right?
night tusk
No bren no bowlcut so he had to do it lol
worn hornet
@solar olive Yes, but not ad badly as I expected them to
solar olive
fair enough
dreamy cave
PROPER SELLOUT
north tendon
holy shit lol
balmy wolf
I love OWL
worn hornet
Boston almost full-held on Paris & raced through their first attack on Gibraltar
worn hornet
Boston played just well enough to make me mad at the loss because it seemed like they could've won.
dreamy cave
they have a professional to literally cut the hair
night tusk
F
uneven wren
F
balmy wolf
naw
balmy wolf
he didn't get the actual bangs cut
north tendon
lol
balmy wolf
so naw
lost matrix
hell yeah he did
north tendon
bren doesnt disappoint
lost matrix
It was probably my fav thing they’ve ever done
balmy wolf
Top 10 moments of OWL history
supple prism
now they just need to fix brens mess
balmy wolf
eh
Atlanta was made with 20 million dollars
I'm sure someone can spare a 20 for him to get an adequate hair cut
solar olive
the haircut is good luck
worn hornet
WWE shit in the best sort of way
solar olive
he's old enough to decide what's an adequate hair cut for him
night tusk
So lets wait for a tweet I guess
Dogmain new hair
I’m not a Dallas supporter but I hope they don’t lose both their home matches..
^ Sleepy "Reflecting on my thoughts about the trade"
primal ibex
sleepy ❤
tawny sigil
lets start a gofundme to get linkzr a better team please.
stark salmon
minor flame
ok maplestory pfp
trim shadow
If dallas looses in there own arena we deserve to bash them
Doesnt matter if its houston
Or the other team they play
They litterally have homefield advantage
Lav and houston
gaunt acorn
somehow i don't see their fortunes reversing just because it's a home game
tawny sigil
if dallas lose in their own arena, just do what every good american does, riot in the streets and set shits on fire.
supple prism
Philly does that win or lose
tawny sigil
and if they win do what every good american does...
tawny sigil
man im finally watching sunday vods, charge and reign both suck at defence eh?
8 to 7 on kings row 7-6 on hanamura
upper niche
I just noticed something, and I can't even begin to understand how utterly broken the OWL website. is.
They have both Toronto and Houston at position 16: Toronto with a 1-4 (5) record, and Houston with 0-3 (3), both on -9.
By what ridiculous reading of the rules is 0 wins the same as having 1 win?
They have the same for 8th: Philly having 3-3, but Paris having 2-2, both on +1. It's just stupid.
tawny sigil
they're just giving houston the benefit of the doubt for having done only 3 match instead of 5?
i mean the standing are pointless until its over
summer forum
houston and seoul are going to have to play every single day of the last 2 weeks apart from 1 day
if they have only played 3 games both and theres 2 weeks left
thats rough
tawny sigil
sell next week is in texas and they obviously wanted to fly the minimal amount of people
look at the schedule, its all the same team on sat and sunday
summer forum
8 teams are shipped to dallas
summer forum
if they ever start taking home stand religiously for home/away games
its going to fail so hard
upper niche
The way they've done the Dallas matches is good though - split them in to two groups of four.
But holy shit, that 2am start for us next Sunday, ugh.
upper niche
Everyone plays Sat+Sunday if they play next week.
summer forum
and then friday + saturday week 5
thats rough for schedule time man
and outlaws arent even doing that great
upper niche
There's no question there's certainly some 'issues' with the OWL S2 schedule on the whole
summer forum
the more you look at how owl is scheduled the more you realise its actually doodoo
tawny sigil
season 2 schedule is pretty bad, not gonna lie
there is NO reason why 2 team should fight each other twice in the same stage and never again after that
and its happening to every team
upper niche
I was looking over some numbers for how a schedule would work when you do actually have home/away games. Assuming the same teams currently, so you have:
- Each team must play all teams in the opposite division once (10 matches), and each team in the same division twice (9x2/18 matches) - 28 matches total.
- Each team must play 14 home games an 14 away games.
- Presumably, each team would play the other teams within its own division both home and away.
@tawny sigil Shanguai have three instances of that in the season. Houston hav none.
tawny sigil
yeah its beautifly layed out
upper niche
That's pretty fucked up. Like, it's bad enough that it should ever happen (it shoudln't ever be scheduled to happen) - and yet the fact that it's not even for all teams is just messed up.
tawny sigil
no it shouldn't happen, and it was a deliberate decision they made cause it can be avoided
upper niche
I also disagree with the argument that it should be done to reduce travel as well, because it still adversely affects the fairness of the stage rankings.
tawny sigil
last year the match were schedule on like a carouselle, so it just went in circle and it made sense
upper niche
It's gonna be interesting next year with how they handle the pacific division though. Guangzhou, Chengdu, Huangzhou and Shanghai aren't exactly geographically close to each other, so you could hardly even have home games at both locations in the same week.
tawny sigil
this year its like they just let a spreadsheet RNG do the schedule
upper niche
Now that I look at it though Shanghai and Chengdu are a <3hr flight, but they're probably also a 3hr timezone apart too so you lose a whole day traveling west to east.
zenith patio
Hey guys. Quick question
What's the difference between OWL and Contenders?
Is one less important then the other?
Excuse me for being ignorant
little silo
Contenders is the equivalent of the 2nd sports league
OWL is tier 1 Contenders is tier 2
zenith patio
i really don't know
So it's like...
College Basketball NCAA
vs. NBA?
Is NCAA the college basketball thing? LOL I'm not even sure what the Basketball analogy is
little silo
Pretty much
little silo
Yeah
zenith patio
Or does Contenders have all the time?
tawny sigil
everytime i go on twitch it feels like contender is always streaming...
little silo
Well thats because they have a lot of matches over multiple time zones
little silo
Yeah thats what you want
Getting picked up by an OWL team means more money and higher competition
little silo
Players dont have to be regional but every region has a Contenders "League"
zenith patio
Ohhh
upper niche
I thought it was pretty much a requirement of the franchise agreement that the teams run an academy team in contenders.
zenith patio
Acadmey teams are what?
College sponsored Esports dream?
A teenagers wetdream?
lol
little silo
Contenders teams that are supported by OWL orgs
they are guaranteed a spot in Contenders no matter what
And since they are backed by OWL orgs players are more stable
When it comes to money
so getting on an academy team is a pretty good thing
They can also hoard underage talent
so they can use them on the OWL team when they turn 18
fluid cove
if you watch the owl reruns on twitcht does that count for owl credits?
sand violet
@little silo they're not guaranteed a spot this season
It's only the first season of every year
Uprising academy is being relegated
little silo
ah okay
But its a high chance that they get a spot just because of all the resources they can put into the players compared to those who are not backed by an OWL org
sand violet
XL2 was close to being relegated, same with Montreal but yeah the resources help
trim shadow
@zenith patio nba minor leauge college baskebtall
fluid cove
thanks
trim shadow
So are cloneman and jayne close friends?
LUL zach hates playing brig
We know afro boy..we know
trim shadow
tawny sigil
flex dps are never that cute
trim shadow
So daemon left paris for dallas for structure and organization?
While being fed up with paris
limber pine
daemon getting fired isn't really "leaving for Dallas"
trim shadow
I thought he left willingly
Cause in the dallas insider video he states he was fed up with paris in like the briefest of sentences
Must be hard running a team where everyone has a unique playstyle
trim shadow
So is there internal conflict in paris?
Just like valiant toronto atlanta florida maybe houston and maybe washington
Basically most of the expansion teams
And the bottom feeders of season 1
limber pine
I assume most bad teams have some conflict
I think we can assume something because Cloudy, Danye, and SDB started playing a lot more after he left
trim shadow
I would say thats because nico And ben were below average after the first 2 wins
balmy wolf
conflict is an understatement
limber pine
Nobody knows exactly. Avast only said that you'll never see them play together
either language or personal issues idk
trim shadow
100% has to be personal
cause they can speak a decent english
But there accents are deep
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
trim shadow
I expect paris and guangzhou to take a nose dive
Toronto will flutter
Same with hangzhou
chengdu should rise once jiqiren is intergratted
Atlanta is inconsistent
And vancouver win season 2
trim shadow
Like spark having a good stage 3 and then meh stage 4
And paris just loosing everything
minor flame
Spark has the harder schedules in stage 4
trim shadow
If anything spark will barely make it into the playoff for the last 2 spots in end of season playoffs
minor flame
LAG Titans Seoul
trim shadow
Let me rephrase i said that wrong
Spark will barely make the 6-12 playoffs
But in terms of getting in
10%
Unless MAJOR changes are made
minor flame
And whats with Guangzhou
trim shadow
Maybe happy will come into his own in a dps meta
minor flame
Way better than earlier matches
I dont expect them to be bot 5
I think Paris Outlaws and possibly Reign look to be bot 5
I mean
trim shadow
Inb4 chengdu sneaks into end of season playoffs
trim shadow
There stge 4 is kinda easy right?
Atlanta is definetly a. Top 10
IF
Pokpo can stay alive
Dogman stops feeding
minor flame
Atlanta stays at a 10
trim shadow
Babybay Becomes consistent
trim shadow
And erster stays peak performance
minor flame
Kinda like asking all stars to allign
trim shadow
Thats the prayer
Casores and sephy has the pieces
Like dallas
They have to connect them
And on paper they should get in to the playoffs comfortabely
minor flame
Im still gonna have to say that alot of the NYXL match was on them than Reign necessarily outplaying
So I dont want to raise them much higher in the actual rankings
Daco looks
Ok
His bombs can still be pepega though
trim shadow
I didnt raise all that higher either tbh
They play nyxl twice
And if they take a map the second match ill move em
minor flame
Wont raise it if its a map necessarily,NYXL is just a oddnut
Ill have to see how scuffed NYXL is too in the second match
trim shadow
6 teams are in and the last 6 have to fight for the last two spots right?
So at this stage in the season
- Vancouver 2. San fran 3. lAG. 4. NYXl 5. London 6. Dallas
I believe those will qualify
limber pine
minor flame
Dallas getting in Season Playoffs
trim shadow
69%
minor flame
Are you sure you wanna mark Shanghai and Seoul out first
trim shadow
Shanghai getting in?...dding and diem are gods
But gamsu and geguri arent consistent
minor flame
Uh
vernal obsidian
owl is great background noise while I play team deathmatch.
minor flame
Gamsu is p consistent
little silo
Coma and Luffy are doing fine too
echo quest
Geguri isn’t even that good lul she doesn’t even start
minor flame
Geguri is too just not as good as Diem
vernal obsidian
Geguri is outclassed atm.
echo quest
Youngjin is just better
limber pine
I find it hard to believe Dding is better than either Guardian or Geguri
on DVa anyway
little silo
Youngjin isnt the dva
minor flame
Geguri subs in for Diem right?
little silo
Shanghai just love running Dding on the Pharah
vernal obsidian
tfw you have every pharah skin in the game. owl skins included and you didn't have to pay for any of them.
little silo
Youngjin Doom pog
minor flame
Doomjin is pog
vernal obsidian
so many jins
vernal obsidian
I get confused with these similar names.
minor flame
Coma and Luffy hold up pretty well
trim shadow
You hate nyxl then
little silo
Gamsus actual name is Youngjin
trim shadow
They litterally all have the same fucking name
minor flame
And Gamsu is pretty solid
vernal obsidian
Fissure, Gesture.
Poko, Pokpo.
trim shadow
Mano meko anamo libero
little silo
yeah
pearl stratus
She has more tank flex, think of S1.
vernal obsidian
just have your username ending with an O. gg
pearl stratus
She plays Hamster, Orissa, D'va, Zarya.
trim shadow
I had a headache trying to differentiate pokpo and poko in stage 1 playoffs
little silo
how
trim shadow
Geguri has a suprisingly good hammond
vernal obsidian
how do you pronounce pokpo?
minor flame
Poke po
trim shadow
Pock po
little silo
casters often call pokpo poko
vernal obsidian
^
trim shadow
And you have po ko
vernal obsidian
I would be confused.
pearl stratus
And while hitscan translates to Zarya, I don't think it really works in reverse especially as a Zarya main.
trim shadow
And its a tounge twister
pearl stratus
Because its hitscan tracking, not flick, etc.
trim shadow
I think the casters even got it wrong at times
pearl stratus
Like Spree has no dps flex really, neither does Zunba.
little silo
Geguri might have a decent Soldier and Tracer then
trim shadow
Ashe is so underrated
trim shadow
Jayne even gave a hint he believes it to
little silo
ashe is a jack of all trades
minor flame
A magnificant moment
little silo
but master of none
echo quest
I meant diem lul geguri subs in for him
pearl stratus
I just want to see GZC vs. Shanghai right now.
echo quest
I swear there names are so similar
pearl stratus
Because I want to see Eileen vs. Youngjin on Doomfist.
minor flame
Shanghai should win but
vernal obsidian
Ashe is a double edged sword.
minor flame
Mirror Doom Goats
trim shadow
Jjonak and jjanu @echo quest
little silo
Shu has been great yesterday
minor flame
Shu might be a contender for a top support
little silo
Yeah I had him in my Top 5 Zens
little silo
Top 5 flex support with his Ana
trim shadow
paris its your time to buy kyb back
echo quest
Has Nero even played?
little silo
For me at least
trim shadow
But then again
pearl stratus
Nero isn't 18
little silo
nero isnt 18
echo quest
😦
pearl stratus
So he's 2 way into Contenders.
trim shadow
Paris has nico and SDB
pearl stratus
Same with Onlywish
little silo
charge still have Rise
vernal obsidian
I want Pine to make a premiere already.
little silo
Is Rise the flex support or main
minor flame
Wins every matchup
pearl stratus
Rise was a Zen iirc.
little silo
Onlywish was main support right
minor flame
Endoken is impressed
limber pine
liquipedia says flex
minor flame
"I have underrated Ashe"
pearl stratus
And we did technically see Nero play.
little silo
Chara doesnt convince me yet
minor flame
Truly a glorious moment
pearl stratus
I never said I underrated Ashe.
I said Ashe is shut down by any decent D'va which makes her super weak
trim shadow
Why do people say chara when the H is silent?
trim shadow
So its cara
echo quest
Why does owl have an age restrict
little silo
Because the casters like Undertale
pearl stratus
Contracts.
trim shadow
Thats what his name is based off right lol
little silo
who knows
pearl stratus
Have to be 18+ to sign a salaried contract in the US.
echo quest
I mean in League in Eu and Asia you can grow pro at 17
little silo
who are your current MVP candidates?
limber pine
EU and Asia isn't the US
echo quest
Jjanu
trim shadow
rolls off the tongue easy
pearl stratus
You can be 9 in asia and build an iphone
Not exactly a great point of labor law dispute.
trim shadow
Wonder how nate will handle team signings
Will he enforce a age restriction
Next year in home markets
little silo
I honestly dont think Bumper is an MVP candidate
echo quest
Even localized teams?
pearl stratus
Technically you can sign an employment contract under 18 in the US.
But it requires a court decision for each and every one.
Which is not worth anyones time.
So.
18+.
echo quest
He’s like jjonak fucking incredible but he does so much because his team enables him
little silo
Ok so who are the most talented players below 18
little silo
We have Alarm WhoRU Sparkle
echo quest
Why
little silo
I think hes 14 or 15
echo quest
He’s 14 lul
pearl stratus
WhoRu I still argue is going to have a hard time getting signed.
Especially by any mixed teams.
minor flame
WhoRU is a brat no?
pearl stratus
He's such a little shit fuck.
trim shadow
If sugar becomes owl pro when he gets legal i will go on a sugerless diet
echo quest
He is
pearl stratus
He's a diva. Majorly.
echo quest
He got benched for Lunatic hai who won apex without him
little silo
idk anything about him aside from him being a good player
echo quest
By*
pearl stratus
Yeah, literally they benched him to show him he wasn't necessary.
Giant ego check.
Then he had the same thing happen in Philly Uni.
Which is why they didn't argue lending him to Meta.
pearl stratus
I honestly think he'd fit in well on Seoul.
minor flame
Lol
pearl stratus
Just because he knows they won't handle his shit.
echo quest
They don’t even need him on FU
minor flame
Dps Fissure
echo quest
Nai1st is a monster
little silo
Bernar is 18?
pearl stratus
Alarm is going to be the biggest seller, imo.
little silo
Alarm is insane
pearl stratus
He's just an animal, he seems pretty upbeat all the time.
echo quest
@minor flame eh fissure just did a dick move he never had ego issues ever
little silo
He will probably replace Boombox
pearl stratus
I'll feel bad if he gets stuck on Philly since they get first dibs.
little silo
why
pearl stratus
Because Alarm is way too talented for that shit show.
echo quest
No alarm will replace boombox
little silo
he gets to play with Elk
echo quest
Carpe and Eqo are on it lul
little silo
Alarm might just fix that shit show
echo quest
A decent main tank will too
pearl stratus
None of their issues right now are from their support line, as non explosive as it is.
little silo
Sado poko Elk Alarm Carpe and Eqo sounds like a pretty good team
pearl stratus
They have two decent main tanks, a diva dps who can't even play the current meta, and what seems to be just flat out bad communication judging by the disconnects on Sados aggression.
echo quest
Sado is bad cmon bruh did you see how he positioned in hanamura bs LDN? I mean Philly’s most wins came with fragi
Vs*
limber pine
wut
minor flame
Its not individually say Sado its more like the communication is mainly at fault
little silo
Phillys comms must be hell rn
echo quest
He got outplayed by gesture on rein
minor flame
So?
little silo
Gestures Rein isnt bad anymore
echo quest
And gesture is ass on rein
pearl stratus
Gesture actually has a Zarya and a Brigitte.
little silo
Not amazing but its decent
pearl stratus
Gesture has more real tools at his disposal.
minor flame
Gesture is a decent rein with peel and comms
pearl stratus
Don't get me wrong, Carpe is a complete tool this season.
But not the right now.
Fusions plays Goats like they're terrorists.
They spend more time trying to fuck the goat than play it.
minor flame
Huh
little silo
Philly might just go full korean when Alarm and Bernar come in. Might even bring in CarCar
minor flame
Kachow
pearl stratus
DPS is back if your team is good enough for it, and is cohesive enough to run it in the right spots.
Mediocre as shit teams just default to goats.
little silo
Good teams still play Goats
pearl stratus
You won't ever ditch goats 100%
echo quest
Philly make the playoffs so it’s fine
minor flame
You see Boston fight Titans in Control Center
They wouldve beaten them with Doom Pharah
If only their coordjnation
And colourhex
Wasnt shit
little silo
and fusions was a better hamster
minor flame
True
pearl stratus
there's only like... 3-4 good Hamsters in the league tbf.
echo quest
Goats is so boring how hard is it to get rid of it blizzard?
pearl stratus
Ameng, Jjanu, Rio, Gamsu.
little silo
Rio?
minor flame
Very hard
pearl stratus
Rio is actually an insane hamster.
little silo
I consider Rio to be one of the weakest parts of the Charge
echo quest
It’s still mostly played
minor flame
Rio is like Bumper
pearl stratus
It's dropped down to 55%, and thats inflated.
minor flame
Peeled to hell for good plays
echo quest
@pearl stratus source?
pearl stratus
Because you have shit teams not flex - Like Houston, Philly, Justice, etc.
Captain Planet on last nights broadcast.
It was 60% at the start of the weekend.
little silo
Guys would you say Viol2t and Twilight have been better zens than Jjonak this season?
echo quest
No
little silo
Jjonak has Anamo
echo quest
Anamo is arguably the best support
pearl stratus
Yeah but Jjonak and Anamo aren't as cohesive as Twilight and Slime.
Jjonak and Anamo are both individually more skilled though
little silo
Anamo has the lowest deaths in the league
echo quest
Jjonak is fine mechanically but sometimes his trance usage
pearl stratus
He wants to get aggro
echo quest
Like Seoul vs NYXL
echo quest
If he held trance
pearl stratus
And I know the exact spot you're talking about.
2 minute mark, Rialto.
Aggro trans.
echo quest
^
pearl stratus
And people say Nenne threw with the grav.
Not realizing Jjonak threw two minutes earlier.
And that was the dead spot.
echo quest
They would have won the next push
pearl stratus
They could have won that push. Seoul dropped back and farmed ults off their aggression and they got 0 kills out of the early trans.
It was so bad.
trim shadow
The clearedt example of aggresive jjonak was on ruins illios
pearl stratus
It was literally the worst case scenario
trim shadow
When he transed to force mano to fight
minor flame
Aggressive NYXL is incredibly scuffed NyXL
trim shadow
Honestly nyxl is better in a dps meta
little silo
nennes grav made sense
trim shadow
Nyxl has exploits and If u take down mano or@jjonak
little silo
it just didnt work
minor flame
That was the same in dps meta
pearl stratus
Even if he held that grav they would have lost imo.
Because Michelle was getting no less than 5 people with his EMP in that cross section there
It's impossible to hit less.
minor flame
But wouldnt they stall for Michelle to get back
little silo
jjonak should have hid with trans but Michelle would have read that
minor flame
Thry had 2 supp ults
pearl stratus
Couldn't stall long enough imo. NYXL had 6 ults.
And with 2 seconds left they'd hit OT and start slowing Seouls respawns.
trim shadow
Libero wouldve had to hit a godly whipshot to prevent Michelle from silencing everyone
trim shadow
Chance of that happening was 1%
little silo
Liberos Brig is honestly insane
minor flame
Not even Haksal could do that at most times
pearl stratus
Mostly its a matter of how many people seoul had alive.
With 5 ults and Michelle dead you'd get at least a kill or two.
So even when he comes back to EMP its at a numbers disadvantage.
trim shadow
Nyxl couldve brute forced into the point and dove into them
little silo
Seoul only had Emp right?
trim shadow
But when has that worked for any team?
little silo
hard to say if killing the sombra with grav would have done it
pearl stratus
It was teh best chance either way in that situation though.
little silo
yes
pearl stratus
Because you wouldn't want Seoul to engage on the EMP.
minor flame
Do you all think Shu is a contender for a top flex supp
He peels Rio very hard
Like Bumper getting peeled
trim shadow
Violets better
queen drift
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
little silo
I would definitely consider him a contender
pearl stratus
On a side note, the best part of Diya Ashe was learning weird Bob spots etc.
Like on top of awnings from the high ground etc
minor island
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
minor flame
Hi my name is KarQ and today im joined by Diya
And today 50 Bob locations were gonna show you
trim shadow
Would be fun if bob came down like dvas mech or doomfist
So you could controll where he goes
supple prism
He kinda does just I dont know if there is landing damage
trim shadow
You guys ever wondered how much coaches earn
echo quest
Pavane must be earning a shit ton
drowsy fulcrum
jagged crater
what in the world did ZP do to not get himself on the OWL caster talent?
There;'s just no way someone of his talent and veteran experience wouldnt get picked at this point seriously.
unless ZP did something blizz really didnt like
supple prism
I know avast doesnt want to and rather stay contenders, maybe zp is the same
upper niche
The bar isn't very high with the two new guys they put on for season 2.
vale pond
Sideshow?
or who
also remember they’re not gonna always pick the megabrain 6heads
Its also an entertainment thing
upper niche
no the guys that were casing contenders last year
celest wigeon
what's the best owl team?
solar olive
Vancouver
unless you mean like composition character wise or something else, then there's obviously 6 answers, lol
celest wigeon
ok
trim shadow
hangzhou
mint slate
nenne grav
analog lark
Seoul
Gold and black go so well
Though
Vancouver ana is great
As well as Boston Genji
minor flame
hangzhou everything
hidden vault
Waiting for white and gold
balmy wolf
Seoul and hangzhou have the best colour schemes imo
jagged crater
avast wants to join OWL casting, he was jokin when he said he wanted to stay contenders
fresh epoch
Why is Goats so broke other then Zarya Damage output and Support Ultimates? Who can tell me the Main reason gets cookies from me!
vagrant cargo
Cause overwatch plays around objectives, have fun trying to get 6 Heros from the point that heal each other, have speedboost and Instant burst healing in case someone gets low
On some Points U can counter it with DPS comps, but on 2 cp etc GOATs is basically the best comp without any question
fresh epoch
Well good response. the deny of any damage from all shields, bubbles and matrix. It just stacks up how can DPS kill anything?
fresh epoch
Let me actually predict the future in the next half year: if 2 2 2 gets locked and brig will be adjusted however that might be with more healing output, ana (which we already only played in goats) will never/barley be played until she gets a passive where she can hide or avoid some damage.
minor flame
DPS can kill goats
DPS has been viable this stage for so long, iys just that no one wants to practice it
Boston couldve been able to beat Titans goats several times
Lijang when they ran DoomPharah
Except the Pharah was literally braindead, their hammond wasnt good and they had no focus
Shanghai is way more successful with DPS
fresh epoch
@minor flame the problem is not that its not beatable, never was. its less effort. less skill. just teamplay which is good to learn in a team based game. but not interesting to play nor watch.
vale pond
Less effort less skill is literally arong
Wrong
skill does not mean clicking heads
all the time
trim shadow
if chengdun ran doom instead of sombra im sure they can beat hangzhou and the other team they face at homestead
vagrant cargo
@minor flame DPS can kill Bad executed GOATs
Its a niche comp
On some maps
Also lijang is mostly a DPS favored map
pearl stratus
There's realistically only 4-5 teams in the OWL right now that plays goats to a level where a well played DPS comp wont' beat them on 50-50 maps.
There are some maps where, whether you want to or not, Goats will be strong.
But that tends to be things like Rialto.
For instance you never have to really run goats against say... Paris, or Houston.
They're both shit, they can't play shit.
The places where Goats is "forced" is relatively balanced, Rialto has too many corners to poke it down with damage. Eichenwalde C is the same, Gibraltar (B - 50/50) and C are somewhat places where you would ideally 'want' to run Goats.
I think the biggest thing comes down to an efficiency of scrim time. Since no map is a "bad" goats map (minus most control) you get far more value out of practicing the one comp more often, even when you're not that great at it.
Even though we know there are a few of the better looking dps teams that scrim both. I.E. Shock + Shanghai as scrim partners.
fresh epoch
@pearl stratus i just wonder who it helps if you point out these 2 teams are shit? could you explain?
trim shadow
everyone
paris had shaky goats ever since atlanta
and houston was never good at goats
there brig was first death more then rein]
vagrant cargo
Paris isnt the Same Team that played against Atlanta
balmy wolf
Has Danteh ever played Brig?
fresh epoch
@vale pond it sure does not mean only click heads, but what i would like the game to be like is: DPS getting kills and protecting their team. Tanks helping their team to push forward and body blocking their team, Supports trying to keep everything alive. but during Goats nothing will ever die how is that fun to watch?
vagrant cargo
They almost forced a map 5 against a dominant Dallas
vagrant cargo
Paris isnt even Bad at multiple DPS
And they can Run Quad Tank against DPS comps, now that they played against Chengdu their Coaches have material
To Analyse DPS comps
So dont sleep on Paris
trim shadow
if anything london has improved by strides on there goats
vagrant cargo
Yes but only their GOATs
trim shadow
false
trim shadow
birdring is still one of the best widows in the leauge
vagrant cargo
And Philly is meh
fresh epoch
i just hate how many people come in and tell everybody how this and this team is shit and they dont even explain why.
vagrant cargo
Paris isnt Shit
Houston is imo due to their backline
They have imo the worst Backline in the League
trim shadow
you rlly wanna know how paris is shit? watch al of stage 1
vagrant cargo
They also Lack a good Brigitte
trim shadow
watch there execution against chengdu
vagrant cargo
And coolmats Dva is meu
Rusha the Stage 1 Paris roster was completly different and fueled by nepotism
unique tapir
C9 LUL
fresh epoch
@vagrant cargo OMEGALUL the hero that destroyed owl since she came out. still needs skill i guess.
vagrant cargo
And against Chengdu they werent prepared
Try to prepare a Team against a Chengdu when the Meta isnt figured Out by anyone
trim shadow
the stage 1 roster isnt that much different then cloudy and greyy
vagrant cargo
And when U have 0 material
trim shadow
greyy is definetly a great support player
vagrant cargo
The Stage 1 roster is massively different
vagrant cargo
Cloudy is far above brn
Ben
If u cant See that idk how to Help u
Also SDB Brig looked way Superior to nico
And soon is improving on zarya
trim shadow
stop trolling
vagrant cargo
Its not trolling
vagrant cargo
Have u even seen
trim shadow
and often poor gravs
fresh epoch
individual skil is not as important as understanding the game in this meta it feels like since brig came out. there are still teams who win without brig but icant even think of any.
vagrant cargo
And akm is a very good zarya
pearl stratus
Houston is shit because they don't have an infrastructure due to their parent organization having its largest stockholder wanting to be bought out.
fresh epoch
what game is there to watch from last week that has the least amount of goats? i know some teams play goats 90% of the time others less...
vagrant cargo
Yeah that as well
pearl stratus
So they're an incredibly inflexible roster trying to force Goats when they don't have the proper tools for it.
You get Coolmatt who has literally 0 flex, making him a locked D'va so you can't transition to DPS comps.
You know exactly whats hapenning when he's in the line up.
vagrant cargo
And his dva isnt even great
pearl stratus
Then you get a hodgepodge mix of DPS that cannot play Brig, and only two play an acceptable Zarya
BUT
They can play DPS, they have a great roster for it.
Except because Goats is abundant on a few maps they don't branch out to maximize their practice time.
fresh epoch
@vagrant cargo same way as mano is not that good of a rein player but he is forced in this meta?
pearl stratus
Paris is just paris. They can play some DPS, but their goats is trash because they literally have no Zarya.
vagrant cargo
Manos rein is great
pearl stratus
The biggest problem is people want to watch a flashy OW, not a good OW.
vagrant cargo
Also Paris didnt look.bad in GOATs v GOATs vs fuel
pearl stratus
Season 1 had so many problems and really garbage teams that only looked good due to carry potential.
Season 2 most of those teams dropped like flies.
Because they had zero to no teamwork capability.
vagrant cargo
Point 1 busan they lost because OGE Made an insane shatter
pearl stratus
Some, like London, have learned and play well now.
Others like Philly look like a bipolar mess.
fresh epoch
@hollow kraken@vagrant cargo then it must have been his team which left him alone many times but many of his decicions left him somewhere alone.. im not sure. also liberos positioning was not the best...
vagrant cargo
Against Atlanta? Yeah nyxl massively underperformed there
But tbf Atlanta also played pretty good
pearl stratus
Atlanta did one smart thing that most teams refuse to do.
They played Atlantas game.
They didn't play NYXL's game.
So many teams copitulate to what the stronger team does and tries to beat them at their own game.
That's just stupid.
fresh epoch
yes against atlanta, @vagrant cargo sometimes mano and libero were playing really bad or either their team left them i dont wanna blame anything without knowing for sure.
empty dirge
Vancouver is trash at the game and are a bunch of booster plats change my mind
fresh epoch
mano left his team alone on some maps or doing bad charges. and libero dying as first player even tho he is brig.
bare in mind im nyxl fan so im not trash talking.
pearl stratus
That's just Mano though. The biggest thing with Mano is he tries to take the game into his own hands when NYXL is fumbling, but its not in his natural play style. So he tends to try to do too much. You'll see it in a lot of games where they're playing at a disadvantage.
He's still, arguably, the most consistent tank in the league though.
It's just quicksand.
fresh epoch
yeah 3 3 meta is not for him, other than that he will probably be one of the best winston players in 2 2 2 again and again 😉
pearl stratus
He's perfectly fine in 3:3, its that way no matter what meta when NYXL are losing.
fresh epoch
Pine, Libero, Saebyeolbe, Flower and Nenne... i miss you in OWL.. rise of the DPS soon plz! 
@pearl stratus maybe u right.
pearl stratus
I am right. You're saying he's not part of the meta off of a single loss in an otherwise undefeated season 😛
They're one of the only teams that can actually play Goats properly lol
NYXL, Shock, Vancouver, LAG are really the only teams playing Goats at the proper level.
Everyone else is just derping through it.
Thats honestly why its so bad to watch.
We're not watching really great GOATS.
We're watching really mediocre, or just bad, Goats most of the time.
fresh epoch
@pearl stratus uff i dont even enjoy it that much when its on its best.
its just who breaks the rein shield first and then everybody presses Q. (of course theres more to it but thats what it feels like to watch simplified)
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
trim shadow
limber pine
I'll be excited for a SFS/VAN rematch
trim shadow
inb4 lAG says let me get a try at vancouver
vagrant cargo
Yeah but they arent even the best A Tier Team imo
trim shadow
lag has the potential to upset
vagrant cargo
I think Seoul surpassed them now
trim shadow
but can they capitalize?
trim shadow
they had a easy stage 2
trim shadow
why isnt LAG vs san fran the battle of california
ik last years valiant were good
but come on
let it be all three of them
vagrant cargo
Maybe they Change it
echo quest
@vagrant cargo how has Seoul surpassed them?
vagrant cargo
But Valiant Last year were clearly better
Their new lineup Looks a lot better so far
echo quest
Against Dallas...
vagrant cargo
Also Seoul looked improved while Gladiators kinda stayed the Same level
echo quest
They got destroyed against Vancouver lol
vagrant cargo
They played Shanghai closer than they should, Back when Shanghai wasnt good
Wich Team wont get destroyed by Vancouver except shock and maybeNYXL
vagrant cargo
Meh
echo quest
Unlike Seoul who got dominated until Map 4