They have four equally good dps.
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
The teams built around situations and strategies of the pools, not a singular person.
If Tracer suddenly pops back up, Striker comes in, if she fades out on the next map he comes back out, etc.
The really top teams have multiple really good dps that mesh with their team.
NYXL has Nenne, Libero and Flower for flex situations. Pine and SBB for specifics. Shock has Rascal and Architect for flex, Sinatraa and Striker for specifics, etc, etc.
That trickles down into teams like Chengdu and Shanghai which can play a myriad of stuff because they have equally flexible players able to do crazy stuff. But no one person is the star of them.
vagrant cargo
All DPS are Star DPS imo
Rascal is super good, architecht is a Monster, Sinatraa and Striker are really good Specialists
pearl stratus
Eh, there's a difference between a dps core and a star dps though.
Like he mentioned you build around a star dps.
And I just don't think thats how OW works anymore.
night tusk
idk if someone watched Avast stream after the matches yesterday
but Super seems to be sure that Justice would win from Valiant
pearl stratus
I could see it honestly.
They're both in about the same states of disarray.
Washington is mechanical disarray.
Valiant is mental disarray.
night tusk
he did not want to leak the reason. signing would be weird. Maybe good comp or Shock got rekt in scrims
the source was for sure scrims
pearl stratus
I mean all that happened on Val was the coach was fired. We saw a lot of trading thoughts, and nothing happened.
So you could infer theres unhappy players/players the org is unhappy with that are stuck there still.
night tusk
I can see maybe a comp that can Justice found what they are good in. They look alot better when Corey is on Widow/Hanzo/Bastion
pearl stratus
Hard to make a roster from unhappy/untrusting people.
night tusk
on the way Super mentioned it, it sounded like they showed some good stuff in scrims. nothing about Valiant. But Avast did not go with this in his powerranking
but ofc Super do see more
idk if there is a clip on reddit
pearl stratus
Well no. Super was just hyping up the Sleepy trade.
Nothing more than that.
Fixing a flex support spot is huge.
night tusk
well the matches is today so I don't see last minute announcment right
pearl stratus
It's already announced.
pearl stratus
Yeah
night tusk
lol
pearl stratus
C'mon, stop being behind š
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
night tusk
maybe they should put Gido to DPS
night tusk
I remember that it was leaked on Gido signing that he had 2 offers for OWL, not Justice. Still don't rate him as top tier zen
trim shadow
SLEEPY TO WASHINGTON!
night tusk
and now when they play 3 dps comps you see Gido on Hanzo
trim shadow
madness
night tusk
no way Sleepy would get any playtime so better for both
pearl stratus
Washingtons biggest issue remaining is their main tank is trash, their off-tank is learning, and they don't have a Zarya.
Sansam isn't horrible, and he's improving but still a small liability.
Janus is a huge liability.
night tusk
Their goats = shit, and I am still not sure about their staff
pearl stratus
And Coreys Zarya is just dumpster tier.
Communication, however, should increase with Ark around.
Since Ark is fluent in english.
So they have a chance of upping their standings pretty easily.
night tusk
I can see Justice go higher in Powerranking if Goats in not meta.. But we did not saw alot from other teams how they would peform with other comps without " trying "
pearl stratus
Eh even without goats they'll struggle for a bit
Not as bad as with goats though
LAV are another interesting case.
Because not enough of their parts on their team have changed for the physical play to be this bad.
So their fix has little to do with their actual ply, meaning it could come about quicker.
night tusk
if Goats was death. could we see London beat NYXL or Titans actually?
night tusk
Profit can't carry 5 players on brig 
pearl stratus
Birdring hasn't looked clean since his wrist injury, and Guard has a relatively smaller pool that he 'excels' at.
echo quest
Gesture is on his best hero
pearl stratus
Birdrings still good, but pre and post wrist are hugely different.
echo quest
Peak London can beat anyone
pearl stratus
It's really a shame.
echo quest
They dicked everyone in the playoff s
trim shadow
as a atlanta fan seeing sleepy goto washington hurts
echo quest
Yo
night tusk
I don't think Dogman is Dogsh*t
trim shadow
im just not gonna sleepy tonight
echo quest
Philly needs a new maintank
trim shadow
fucking Nyxl
pearl stratus
Profit is a little bowl cut monster though.
trim shadow
apperantly daco is toxic
echo quest
Fate is perfect
pearl stratus
So ask Carpe to find one he likes.
trim shadow
its just terrible trying to defend atlanta
stark salmon
feels like they're unstoppable
echo quest
Korean and defensive
pearl stratus
Because right now the tank only gets play if he says so š
echo quest
And is actually good
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
night tusk
Highly and ILLICIT
night tusk
Maybe seoul want to play B team in first map so A team can look from the outside how enemy teams play
pearl stratus
They were doing map type teams.
Not A or B.
Which is an interesting idea if you can make it work.
Because it means other teams have to prep for you twice as hard.
pearl stratus
Very different more than kinda, imo
They bought two prepacked teams and smushed em together.
Individual pieces are easier to slot.
pearl stratus
The sister team thing wasn't the same as a map specific team though.
night tusk
Verbo Numlocked lol
pearl stratus
Because the sister team was never going to play.
They were just the scrim team.
Seouls has worked when we saw it - like when they played NYXL.
They had a roster for control, and they did their job really well despite being what we'd say were the "b" people.
But, rumor wise, I think Fleta is in a rut so that strategy went out the window for Fits to play more full time.
echo quest
Honestly LAV is done for the season
Sell Kariv and Agill
Build around Fate, Space and izayaki
pearl stratus
Unless the issue was Korean vs mixed.
At which point you have to choose if you're going space/custa etc, or Korean.
trim shadow
*sell kariv and fate
pearl stratus
Most rumors were around the issues of being a mixed roster.
vagrant cargo
It seems Like Valiant gets their shit together
echo quest
@trim shadow he literally plays all the tanks
vagrant cargo
Also.i doubt they sell agil
vagrant cargo
Hes literally the face of Valiant alongside space and custa
Eh
He fixed that in Stage 3-4
vagrant cargo
Now he is consistently Bad on brig
echo quest
Even space has looked shit some games
trim shadow
could also say that trading soon was maybe a mistake
vagrant cargo
But he looked better in Stage 2 (agil)
trim shadow
but then again hes no better at zarya
vagrant cargo
Soon was literally
trim shadow
soooooooo
vagrant cargo
Their worst starter
echo quest
@trim shadow he left on his own
trim shadow
they had team synergy
pearl stratus
The thing is all the conjecture in the world doesn't matter unless we know what the actual issue is on the team.
pearl stratus
Rumors pointed to a korean vs western divide, others to Moons coaching, etc.
vagrant cargo
Everyone who thinks soon>ksf especialy in GOATs Meta is disabled
echo quest
Soon sucks at zarya
trim shadow
honestly lav shouldve went to contenders for a zarya
echo quest
They are fucked
vagrant cargo
Ksf isnt a Bad zarya tho
echo quest
For playoffs
trim shadow
when you put him against other zaryas in there division
vagrant cargo
Nah i can see them sneaking in taking like #12
trim shadow
hes below average
vagrant cargo
Disagreed again
pearl stratus
That'd mean having a nearly perfect rest of the season.
Since they're 1-11 right now.
night tusk
Charge might be the worst team this stage (based on who plays who)
pearl stratus
So with what... 14 more games left?
trim shadow
valiant deserves to be doomed they cancelled a trade on fusion and asking
vagrant cargo
Nvm then
pearl stratus
They play 26 games right? Or was it 28.
vagrant cargo
I forgot they already lost 11 games
echo quest
I mean it was their loss
pearl stratus
Either way, 14 or 16 games left and they're 1-11 right now.
echo quest
Wait no it was only for fusion
vagrant cargo
They didnt need to fix much tho lol
pearl stratus
You can't just leave that stuff to fester.
trim shadow
for fate and ksf
pearl stratus
Play wise they didn't.
echo quest
That would have been the dumbest trade ever for LAV
trim shadow
but the day of finalitty valiant backed out and didnt pay boston
pearl stratus
Personality wise looks like they needed to fix a LOT of shit.
vagrant cargo
Nah If the rumors about Fate are true
trim shadow
if it was just for fusion lav was dumb
vagrant cargo
It wouldnt be
trim shadow
huk:well i threw this going away party for fusion andddddd the deal was cancelled
night tusk
Fate is Pog but teams not
trim shadow
nate should regulate that tbh
pearl stratus
He looks like a tank thats disconnected.
Any tank without proper support/communication is going to look washed.
It's how it goes.
echo quest
Not washed he still has those nutty plays but he just looks disjointed from the rest of the team
night tusk
Fate in OWWC was Fate with good team
vagrant cargo
Yeah but his decision making is Sometimes just awful
pearl stratus
Its not always just his decision.
echo quest
Or Fate stage 4
vagrant cargo
Fate was SKs weakest Player tho lol
pearl stratus
Tanks make a decision in which they expect team support.
If they can't manage it, its not always on them.
vagrant cargo
Idk i am talking about weird shatter investions and stuff
pearl stratus
So he can either play slow because Agilities is a potato af brig.
vagrant cargo
Fate fucked up a lot
pearl stratus
Or you try to play it right.
vagrant cargo
Yeah agils Brig is pretty Bad ngl
echo quest
He saved Finland vs SK himself
vagrant cargo
I mean
pearl stratus
Having a bad Brig cripples a Rein.
pearl stratus
That lack of armor pack clutch is huge for survivability.
They'd actually be better putting Agilities on an Ana, imo.
trim shadow
agil is a better brig then zach so
pearl stratus
Like Shock did with Rascal some.
vagrant cargo
Idk abt that one rusha
Agil is alongside SDB my fav player
But his Brig Looks really really bad
pearl stratus
They're both shit at Brig.
And both of them don't have an excuse for it.
Because we saw both shit brigs in OWWC.
trim shadow
zach set a bar for shit tier of brigs
vagrant cargo
They are just Trash at her
pearl stratus
And any coach worth a damn would have fixed it
vagrant cargo
They tried to build around Fate in Stage 1
trim shadow
space izayaki and custa*
vagrant cargo
Worked super well
Also agil is probably still a great Projectile DPS
I would keep him as well
pearl stratus
If Fate, for instance, is pulling a Fissure and is really frustrated with a mixed roster building around him doesn't work.
vagrant cargo
I mean Fate was the reason for kuki mainsup
vagrant cargo
Cause He and custa disagreed
vale pond
Cough daco cough
vagrant cargo
About how GOATs gets played
pearl stratus
Nothing confirmed Kuki main support is because of Fate.
trim shadow
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
vale pond
no
echo quest
Ye
vale pond
He whined about all the western player
vagrant cargo
Idk why they Chose dogman
vale pond
Threw in scrims
echo quest
No he complained about the flex
pearl stratus
Because he was on their academy team
vale pond
Got bitchy in games
vagrant cargo
No he literally whined Abt the Zen
trim shadow
according to the article dogman was moved up for the zen
pearl stratus
so they probably locked him in cheap.
vale pond
He let it get out of control
trim shadow
but daco still didnt want him
pearl stratus
Like a budgetyatta.
echo quest
@vale pond where are you getting this?
vale pond
vagrant cargo
I mean when your flex Sup isnt working why would U promote a worse flex sup
vale pond
punished for shit behavior
pearl stratus
Reddit circle jerk and cum swallow.
vagrant cargo
Makes No sense
trim shadow
some atlanta mod said it should be taken with a grain of salt
meaning that it has some truth in it
pearl stratus
It's Halo.
echo quest
Take is with a grain of salt he also made the Fischer shit
pearl stratus
If you read Halo and believe it I have a unicorn to sell you.
Because you're a moron.
vale pond
ah yes the old insult
pearl stratus
No, an accurate insult.
echo quest
Heās wrong many times
vale pond
āyouāre moronic for disagreeingā
pearl stratus
Halo has a track record a mile and a half long for being wrong and overexaggerating.
vale pond
k
pearl stratus
If you believe him you're factually a moron.
Not an insult.
Literally just raw facts.
echo quest
Chill
queen drift
to be fair taking one article as gospel regardless of who wrote it is a bit stupid
pearl stratus
It's like trusting the Mueller report when Trump gets to redact it.
trim shadow
cough but if a mod for the atlanta discord said take with a grain of salt daco has either showed this mis behavior or there has been a argument between the 2
vale pond
I trust the report knowing it has more to say
echo quest
Anyway Guangzhou gonna pass SHD today
trim shadow
it could hi im german hi im korean fuck you
pearl stratus
I dunno. They have two maps.
echo quest
With the longest mall lost streak
pearl stratus
All they need to do is win one of them.
echo quest
Map*
echo quest
Idk
pearl stratus
But they just need that one map.
echo quest
Bout that
pearl stratus
If they play Krystal they'll have a decent shot on Control, imo.
trim shadow
espect the mueller report took 2 years of playing with dicks and keeping white demos happy till it was time to say its all a bust
pearl stratus
I wouldn't either, since its GZC.
vale pond
What I believe is that though this did start with the shitty flex support situation he got out of control
pearl stratus
But control with Krystal is their best shot.
vale pond
And needs to calm down
trim shadow
probably why dafran really jumped ship
echo quest
They got 4-0 by Paris
vale pond
but I doubt it was the main cause
echo quest
Dafran probably missed streaming
queen drift
he's also just not wanted to be pro three times now
pearl stratus
It was probably too much work. Not even in a mean way
vale pond
Like yeah
vagrant cargo
Paris isnt a Bad Team brokeboi
pearl stratus
But he strikes me as someone who wanted to give it a fair shot, and just didn't want to invest that much mentally and physically anymore.
echo quest
He makes more streaming anyway
vagrant cargo
Who told.u that
vale pond
So idts
vagrant cargo
That He gets a salary of 300k
queen drift
for his brand? he is
trim shadow
but come on
queen drift
same as seagull
vagrant cargo
Dafran is not 300k Wƶrth
vale pond
P sure I read his salary was that high bc brand
vagrant cargo
Worth
pearl stratus
Yeah for raw revenue intake on jerseys etc etc.
queen drift
^^
trim shadow
at most
pearl stratus
I doubt it was 300k, but I could easily see 150k-200k range with no hesistation.
vagrant cargo
Yeah
trim shadow
you can throw out 100k for dafran
vagrant cargo
Thats tje max
vale pond
no max
pearl stratus
Return on investment is gauranteed with him, basically.
vale pond
50k minimum
echo quest
I mean sinatraa in s1 earned 150k and Carpe was 180k
vagrant cargo
Without the Brand He would be barely 100k at best tbh
pearl stratus
Yeah but you're buying a brand.
vagrant cargo
Carpe was unproven for most of the people pre OWL season 1
vale pond
like yeah but his brand makes a difference
pearl stratus
And yeah, without the brand he doesn't have the pool to be looked at, honestly.
Especially not in this meta.
trim shadow
decay is the actuall 300k
echo quest
@queen drift dafran is easily owl level cmon now
vagrant cargo
Not many people had Carpe on the Radar
queen drift
He's OWL level tracer/soldier
pearl stratus
Thats not what teams go for currently.
vale pond
he has an average hitscan pool
queen drift
soldier is dead
trim shadow
in kills*
queen drift
and his tracer isnt good enough to be a owl tracer otp
trim shadow
and final blows
vale pond
his tracer is good enough wym lol
vagrant cargo
His Tracer is a pretty good Western Tracer tho
pearl stratus
I think its fair to say though without his brand it wouldn't have been something to really look twice at though.
pearl stratus
@vale pond OTP, is the key part of that.
trim shadow
espect 37 might become a coach
queen drift
"a pretty good western tracer" doesnt really mean anything
vagrant cargo
He is a decent hitscan Overall
vagrant cargo
Yes really
vale pond
yes
echo quest
Nah he just yeets the gravs
vagrant cargo
I even played against His cree
queen drift
ya his mccree is boosted i have too
pearl stratus
Don't bring ladder into it though.
vagrant cargo
When he has a good day U wont win against that Shit
trim shadow
fucking babybay learning from the church of dafran just throwing gravs into the open
pearl stratus
No one pays for a maybe.
trim shadow
god fuck babybay and doggy boy
pearl stratus
Except Dallas.
vale pond
babybay supposedly plays like dafran just doesnt talk
pearl stratus
Keeping Taimou in case he remembers how to play.
balmy wolf
yea
echo quest
Only a few people in owl can opt tracer
queen drift
atlantas issues right now is every community tries to tell them what they're problem is despite being actual platchat
zzz
vagrant cargo
I Just think He is a League average DPS
vale pond
Rumors, leaks, and vids of ppl playing
vagrant cargo
What
pearl stratus
A league average western dps isn't picked up though, unless you were picked up in S1 and carried over.
vagrant cargo
I didnt hear any runor Abt that
pearl stratus
So I think Fox is fair in saying he wouldn't be in OWL without his brand.
vagrant cargo
I mean Nico?
vale pond
I have and many
vagrant cargo
Who
I also never saw any leaks about that
Neither are VoDs with full comms shown
vale pond
A leaked scrim with xl was floating around a while back
vale pond
masaa and dogman were the only ones that talked
vagrant cargo
And i remember that vod, they literally talked nonstop
BRO BACK THEN DOGMAN WASNT EVEN ON THE TEAM
WHEN THAT SHIT GOZ LEAKED
vale pond
Then its a different one
vagrant cargo
No
vale pond
calm down holy shit
vagrant cargo
Im pretty Sure its not
analog lark
wait, sleepy got transfered to Justice?
vagrant cargo
Dont fucking lie
analog lark
good for them
queen drift
ye
analog lark
washington is improving
vagrant cargo
Their was one vod from nyxl and Atlanta
vale pond
wash is shit still lol
vagrant cargo
Pre OWL
vale pond
gido trans
vagrant cargo
Sleepy is a massive upgrade
queen drift
yeah, hes meh, on a meh team
analog lark
I didn't say they were good, I said they were improving
queen drift
im not arguing sleepy is a massive upgrade
analog lark
they were absolute shit
vale pond
dogmans shit transes are referred to as āgido transesā for a reason
queen drift
im saying i dont think zen was their priority
analog lark
so improvement ain't hartd
queen drift
shouldnt have been
pearl stratus
Corey.
vale pond
Ye
pearl stratus
And its oof squared.
analog lark
Corey's widow is aight
pearl stratus
His Widow is fantastic, though.
analog lark
but his zarya
vale pond
Corey is good on whatever is NOT zarya
pearl stratus
But his Zarya... how can I say this nicely.
trim shadow
washington in a dps meta is actually pretty decent
vale pond
just dont play goats and its fine
pearl stratus
Corey Zarya makes Paris Zaryas look great.
trim shadow
washington i think its time todoa chengdu
analog lark
worst zarya in the league?
trim shadow
cough
queen drift
sbb
vagrant cargo
Im37
vale pond
Sbb doesnt even play
trim shadow
Kariv
analog lark
wasn't saya a brig?
trim shadow
37 just has bad energy usage
pearl stratus
He's Brig now.
vale pond
coreyās gravs are quite sad
trim shadow
him and corey are the same
pearl stratus
They started him on an attempt for Zarya.
vagrant cargo
Soon is also a strong Contender
pearl stratus
Since typically its a hitscan role.
queen drift
saya is really weird
vagrant cargo
But he looks improved so far
trim shadow
saya with them koolaid lips
pearl stratus
He's a flick hitscan.
queen drift
his widow / cree are godlike
vale pond
At least the shit gravers like dafran and babybay built them fast
pearl stratus
Not a tracking hitscan
trim shadow
saya was signed for his widow player
cause uk
at one point he was a top 5 global widow
pearl stratus
So he's got this small pool that can't translate any of its skills around.
analog lark
florida makes no sense
queen drift
not hitscan gods
vagrant cargo
Pine is overrated tho
pearl stratus
Pine can at least play other things. Not to an OWL level, by any means.
trim shadow
slams head on desk
pearl stratus
But Saya like... really is just stuck on the two heroes.
analog lark
"I'm gonna make a korean team"
makes korean team out of dropped players from other teams that were even that good
xepher
I don't understand
queen drift
isnt pine technically still "flex" for nyxl?
trim shadow
has a off tank play main tank
queen drift
or did they update that after jjonak got in
pearl stratus
They updated it after Jjonak.
vale pond
oof
pearl stratus
He hasn't touched support since.
queen drift
ye i know he hasnt
vale pond
Who makes the most in the league?
pearl stratus
Unknown.
analog lark
Decay
queen drift
bonus included?
vale pond
decay?
analog lark
It's probably decay
pearl stratus
We only know salaries for two people.
analog lark
he makes 300K
vale pond
how much
pearl stratus
And?
queen drift
150k btw hehexd
analog lark
I think
vale pond
oof
pearl stratus
300k could be nothing to another team, you never know.
queen drift
if we're including bonuses, i would say one of the GC Busan bois
analog lark
shanghai and LAG went on a huge bidding war on him
queen drift
Profit or Gesture including bonuses ^^
vale pond
theyāre poor?
vagrant cargo
I think the Most underpaid Player rn is someone like eqo
pearl stratus
Compared to many teams, yes.
trim shadow
well theres netease
vale pond
Have you seen washington?
queen drift
i doubt eqo is underpaid
trim shadow
theres a chineese streaming company
queen drift
i am aware
vagrant cargo
Dont forget that
pearl stratus
I think we literally know no salaries.
pearl stratus
So this is the dumbest conversation ever.
queen drift
they're not poor
analog lark
most underpaid team is probably boston
queen drift
just shit
vagrant cargo
Philly was the only Team to give him trials
pearl stratus
Also just to be fair.
vale pond
Who does misfits own?
trim shadow
misfits is shit in every esports they touch
pearl stratus
If you sign the contract you're not underpaid
queen drift
there's a difference between cheap and poor
vagrant cargo
And they got thenbest Western DPS for season 1
pearl stratus
You're being paid exactly what you're worth.
vagrant cargo
Massive value
pearl stratus
Because you signed the contract.
trim shadow
@vale pond f l o r i d a
pearl stratus
That's how economics worth. If you were worth more, you'd have a contract for more š
vale pond
literally florida man the team
trim shadow
misfits has almost no world titles to there name
vale pond
oof
queen drift
? misfits was good in early ow
vagrant cargo
About 180k
trim shadow
did misfits win apex?
queen drift
misfits are european
pearl stratus
Eh this season he should give about 130k of that back.
vagrant cargo
Oui oui
echo quest
Pine plays other heroes at an owl level but thing is NYXL have libero and nenne sooooo
vagrant cargo
Allez GOATs
trim shadow
qui qui
queen drift
going into OWL misfits were one of the better teams in the world
vale pond
Oui oui eu sucks oui
echo quest
In Eu *
trim shadow
<inb4 envy argument
vagrant cargo
Tf yes?
analog lark
nxyl is just full of gods
vagrant cargo
China will surpass them
analog lark
all can start
vagrant cargo
But they are bot the second best Region rn
trim shadow
vancouver and nyxl*
echo quest
Disagree
vagrant cargo
But so far their Region has to Develop
echo quest
Paris is ass and they are all Eu
vale pond
na is probably better than eu
queen drift
KR > CN > NA > EU > SA > ANT > MN > AUS
trim shadow
hey seou VANCOUVER wants your name
vagrant cargo
Their is a reason they import all players
From EU and kr
But sure
EU worse
Especialy in GOATs Meta
vale pond
there are more na players in the league than eu players?
supple prism
have you seen paris eternal?
vagrant cargo
No
vale pond
Also france sucked at goats
vagrant cargo
Benbest is a bot
pearl stratus
Then we look at Paris.
vagrant cargo
Paris didnt Pick the best europeans
pearl stratus
The EU OWL team has one of the worst goats in the league, so thats all people will remember.
vale pond
remember when paris was hailed as goats gods?
vagrant cargo
Players Like onigod didnt even got Trials according to curryshot
pearl stratus
Regardless of who else they could have god.
queen drift
hey london are eu right guys š
pearl stratus
All people will know is that the EU team was shit at goats.
vagrant cargo
NA contenders is full of EU imports
trim shadow
cloneman isnt eu?
vagrant cargo
There are more europeans than NA Players in OWL
vale pond
Because eu is too trash to be worth
trim shadow
beasthalo?
vagrant cargo
What is this Logic smol
supple prism
https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Overwatch_League/Season_2/Regular_Season scroll down and you can see the breakdown of players countries
vagrant cargo
Tf
When EU Players are so bad
Why do they get signed?
Also
Shax->EU
Asking->EU
trim shadow
inb4 season 5 is fully korean
queen drift
i didnt know eqo is israeli
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Funnyastro who kicked Ajax->EU
queen drift
i always thought he was mexican
queen drift
10
Israel
1
Eqo
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@queen drift Dual citizen iirc.
queen drift
ahh
trim shadow
oh my god 109 from kr
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They moved to Isreal
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Like iRemix.
vale pond
inb4 more expansion teams
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can we get the moscow bears
pearl stratus
It's about even.
supple prism
no point in arguing for second place when KR is miles ahead in first
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There are still a few more EU players
echo quest
Heās Thai
queen drift
Eqo, snillo, Boombox, Poko, aKm, unkoe, soon, linkzr, masaa, rck, shaz
trim shadow
im looking at the liquidpedia @echo quest
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Also EU Region is by far the best at GOATs
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Isnāt Eqo from Israel?
trim shadow
dammit why do asians have to look the same
queen drift
thats a.. bit racist
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And U cant Tell me NA is better
vale pond
exists
queen drift
RushaToday at 9:33 PM
dammit why do asians have to look the same
supple prism
Shock
trim shadow
b o i
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KR is good but their GOATs is worse than the GOATs from established EU Teams
trim shadow
so this whole time
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Angry Titans
trim shadow
i thought mickie was from kr
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Samsung
vale pond
runaway
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British hurricane
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paris
trim shadow
and then it says hes from thai
vale pond
compare
supple prism
even casters say hurricane is better than runaway
vale pond
no one cares about contenders
vale pond
joke
queen drift
casters are actual huge brains
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Also again
echo quest
Sleepy,Super,Note,Surefour,Hydration,Agill
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best gamers
trim shadow
someone said hurricane is best contenders team in the world
i demand a contenders world cup
queen drift
casters are the genius' behind the top teams in OWL
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Star contenders players like onigod didnt get to trial
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Their Academy Team got unlucky
With superplouk
And zeal
Both are hot Trash
Txao and kensi are nutty
Kensi is literally better than any NA hitscan
queen drift
lmao
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Name me one that is better
queen drift
you mean na contenders right?
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Yes
pearl stratus
Btw. It's 1 more player.
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League idk
trim shadow
shit i havent seen that much hitscan in contenders icant pick
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Yeah more players, at the end of the day i am right cause smol Said NA has more players
But its even
I admit that
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I was talking owl
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I didnt realize it was contenders
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The OWL.players
pearl stratus
No, my numbers are OWL.
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31 Europeans
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EU has 31 to NA's 30.
vale pond
K 1 more
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30 NA players
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Though I argue Snillo doesn't count since he's two-way.
vale pond
And infinite koreans
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So it'd be 30-30.
echo quest
Wait does that include tviq and McGrath?
queen drift
i think snillo counts
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The. Elk doesnt Count as well?
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@echo quest Yep.
queen drift
he's had more playtime than some NAs
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Name me a NA hitscan
trim shadow
apperantly that guy is japaneese
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Better than kensi asking or onigod that is in contenders
queen drift
again, contenders?
trim shadow
sign him please
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Yes
vale pond
Whats with japan being the only asian country w/o lots of owl pros
queen drift
esports isnt as serious in japan
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And all three are arguably better hitscans than Surefour who is a dogshit zarya and inconsistant widow
But Surefour is more proven i give him tjag
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FPS aren't.
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that*
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Japan leans towards other things. There's a few really good JP players though, which is sad.
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Fightiing Games are big in Japan iirc
queen drift
i thought esports in general werent
trim shadow
kenmohorororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororo
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Nah they're big on RTS and Fighting Games.
queen drift
ahh
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Btw im still waiting fox
vale pond
pokemon 4head
queen drift
wtf i thought you were talking to smol
trim shadow
well out of all the asian and sea countries esports in only serious in Korea
vale pond
Just make pokewarch competitive
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A large percentage of the Smash Bros pros come from JP.
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Ob
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Etc.
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Street Fighter too
trim shadow
well actually
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Thats the reason i thought U would answer
trim shadow
indoneisa and korea
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My bad
vale pond
2d overwatch
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@vagrant cargo let them play against owl talent first before the hot takes
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Yeah i thought U would Name me some contenders players
OWL isnt that far above contenders individualy
trim shadow
in this meta
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Also its not a hot Take when its about contenders
queen drift
i cba to watch contenders in goats meta
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I mean contenders GOATs is better than most OWL goats
trim shadow
by a mile
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Especialy in EU or Korea
queen drift
i know, that doesnt mean i want to watch it
pearl stratus
Also honestly.
trim shadow
runaway can beat vancouver...and there the younger team
queen drift
i dont want to wathc owl goats either
pearl stratus
Both NA and EU Contenders can swallow a metric ton of dick
trim shadow
NATE LET RUNAWAY BE VANCOUVERS ACADEMY TEAM
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Because they're both boring af to watch.
echo quest
@trim shadow nah
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Literally just CN Contenders is fun to watch.
echo quest
CN contenders is like Lol lpl
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I cant watch it long
pearl stratus
Yeah, the right opinion.
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But some good Games are fun to watch
echo quest
Aggressive as fuck
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Like.this one
trim shadow
cn contenders runs by clan tags which is confusing and cool
pearl stratus
CN Contenders plays some weird ass shit sometimes.
Which is why its always #1 in my heart.
queen drift
i really dislike most contenders casters tbh
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I'll never forget you Ambitious Immortals Comp.
trim shadow
chengdu doing china a big respect
pearl stratus
You were my favorite OD thing ever in the history of OW.
trim shadow
thought he was on ihs way
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Chengdu won't be complete till next year.
vale pond
can toronto hire some old guy and call him Im73
trim shadow
or was that yxl
vale pond
pog
echo quest
@trim shadow that was yxl
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If you ever find the games though and want to watch some weird ass playground bullshit
Go back and watch Ambitious Immortals in OD.
They played: Doomfist/Genji/Sombra/Zarya/Ana/Zen.
And it was funny.
queen drift
OD gives me ptsd
trim shadow
that comp gives me anxiety
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I felt bad that they never got sponsors so the team folded after going undefeated.
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I think the general statement was that they're both trash.
trim shadow
as continents
pearl stratus
Roundeyes don't play good OW.
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Most Starters on NA contenders are EU btw
trim shadow
theyre trash
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EU is still the second best Region
After that China
China will.surpass them
But not yet
pearl stratus
EU has two teams, realistically.
echo quest
@vagrant cargo China has
queen drift
SFS are proving that NA players can compete with KR
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China has No Team in contenders that can Match british hurricane or angry Titans
Yet their 2 best Players are korean fox
pearl stratus
Has Giganti actually done anything in the last year other than provide Davin a home while he continually never gets into OWL?
pearl stratus
No, anything important.
queen drift
wdym their two best players
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Were the best Team in the world for a decent amount of time
Choi and Violet
Are the best shock playerd
Players
queen drift
ehh nah
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Ehh yes
queen drift
Moth > Choi
trim shadow
sinatraa is the shock
queen drift
I think they're both amazing, but Moth > > > > > Choi
echo quest
T1w and BLG are definitely as good as any Eu team
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Boston gets carried by an European Tankline and an KR flex sup
queen drift
Yes? They also have several KR?
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Disagreed broke
queen drift
Mayhem are full KR and look shit
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Tviq. Season 2.
queen drift
im saying NA can compete
pearl stratus
Tviq just needs an agitator.
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They have some really good players
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But majority of their Tier 2 Players are nothing compared to EU Talent
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Even in Tier 1
queen drift
im talking about shock
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Its even
echo quest
Your overrating Eu so hard
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Also shock needed to Progress first
queen drift
^^^
queen drift
EU is pretty hot trash
echo quest
They will get smacked at the gauntlet
vale pond
Eu is quite overrated
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UK 3-1 USA
vale pond
Just because there are more players doesnt mean there are better players
echo quest
Zuppeh on giganti
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Neither team won.
queen drift
There's no way
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@vagrant cargo Canada beat uk
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And they are Na sooo
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Best flex sup ->European
nova wadi
poor gigantti
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Nah
queen drift
?????
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I am also saying that
pearl stratus
But Canada dumpstered UK.
queen drift
who in your mind is the best flex supp ? ?
pearl stratus
Which puts NA back ontop.
echo quest
Bro zuppeh is their support
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Cause the contenders Region is far above them
echo quest
Buff said
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Unkoe/shaz im talking about Western flex supps
echo quest
He was ass s1
nova wadi
Zuppeh was nutty yesterday