vs one of the best
#esports-discussion
tawny sigil
the obligatory tongue out, showing your camera inexperience
trim shadow
tawny sigil
i wonder how many of tem understand english a bit
trim shadow
Battle of the tanks incoming
solar trout
Note <3
trim shadow
Oge got fed a rare candy
median coyote
"if they take a map they're real contenders"
solar trout
lol
minor flame
Bold Bumper
minor flame
Titans manage to turn the scrappy style into something clean
inland pawn
how does zacharee keep dying first
gaunt acorn
IT HAS BEEN 0 MINUTES SINCE A ZACHAREEE DEATH
solar trout
cause he is bad
serene tendon
minor flame
zach keeps getting soloed out
but last fight he was gravved
so it was like
wtf is he gonna do
trim shadow
Oooo effect how i miss you
finite pagoda
trim shadow
Zach is a bit overrated
inland pawn
i wonder if Effect is better on brig than Zach 😂
uneven wren
2nd point of lijiang zach gets picked first by bumper 3 times in a row
minor flame
how ironic how zach keeps saying like 4gitte hahaha so easy lmao hahahaha
even though hes the weakest link
as brig
solar trout
Get mickie back in here
minor flame
like dont shittalk a char if youre this bad at brig dude
solar trout
his brig was good season 1
minor flame
his brig was good season 1 but it was because he was playing like dva
trim shadow
I was jus gonna say mickie set the tone for brig play
minor flame
hes like the miro for brig
who knows how his playstyle would shift from going to dive to goats
solar trout
Zach appears to have more flexibility though, mickie has only shown in owl dva and brig
minor flame
Zach has more flexibility but whats the point of flexibility if your dumbass coach doesnt want you to go to a comp that isnt goats
solar trout
yeah...goats vs titans is a yikes
minor flame
holy shit
is that titans bunker
holy shit
is haksal on pharah????
wtf
oh wait
theyre attacking
pepega brain
median coyote
Ah, assault. Dallas is shit on assault.
inland pawn
Jebaited
minor flame
huh
inland pawn
Zacharee 😂
median coyote
Zach and dying first - name a more iconic duo
minor flame
yeah
opal spruce
i wanna see the stat for team fights won with zach dying first
minor flame
zach should stop shittalking brig if he cant improve as brig first
blissful robin
Zach is throwing.
uneven wren
2cp LUL
blissful robin
A single kill by Dallas?
minor flame
more liike zach LUL
blissful robin
Jesus.
karmic grotto
Bench zach
uneven wren
titans and speedrunning
karmic grotto
For real
uneven wren
then we have zach and feeding
median coyote
That stat is kinda just the side-effect of 2cp snowball tho
karmic grotto
Yeah
inland pawn
is zach actually an OWL-level player?
median coyote
Only getting a kill or two isn't that surprising when you lost two consecutive fights due to ult snowball
minor flame
it also shouldnt be surprising that dallas is fucking not learning at all
still trying to play goats against titans
sure your team has improved
but dont get too cocky that you can fucking beat titans at goats
if youre gonna have zach for flexibility
use him for it
otherwise
get a new player
median coyote
Yeah I'd love to have seen a bunker or something tried. Feels like they have all the parts they need to try it
median coyote
Just too freaking scared to innovate
minor flame
Dallas has had so many points though
they couldve played dps or any other comp
trying to outaggress Titans is yikes
unless youre like Shock
Unkoe carrying btw
median coyote
Seominsoo was first kill. Lost your bet
inland pawn
They won a fight tho 
pearl stratus
It's not even innovate.
There's literally some maps where innovating is just throwing.
For instance - Rialto.
You know what you call the team that plays DPS against Titans on Rialto?
The team that doesn't even get first point.
Also the team that needs a new coach.
inland pawn
ZACH KILLED THE OTHER BRIG
median coyote
Man not even a tick
minor flame
DPS can work on first point Rialto
but thats about it
there are certain points where you can atleast try to not bash your head
pearl stratus
Not against a really good goats team.
minor flame
into the brick wall
pearl stratus
You just use the hotel corner and the overhang.
You can't poke enough to actually break a good goats there.
You'll break a bottom/lowmid team with it.
minor flame
Haksal is so good man
blissful robin
Haksal should just stay Doom.
median coyote
Did haksal just floor them both?
inland pawn
LITERALLY ZULUL
uneven wren
Haksal destroying on doom
median coyote
I didn't realize that was even possible. Two charges negated by one
blissful robin
Like Rein charges?
median coyote
Yeah. His doom punch knocked over both brig and rein counter charges
minor flame
honestly
it comes down to map pool
but if im also being honest
so far there have been certain points for off comps to shine
blissful robin
Dallas got bodied.
uneven wren
jjanu with a great grav eat
pearl stratus
I won't disagree with you on that.
But I said way earlier today just looking at the maps Dallas had no chance today.
karmic grotto
Yup
blissful robin
Lol charging Twilight Rent.
pearl stratus
Any decent team should win control vs Vancouver.
It's by far their weakest map type.
minor flame
there are definitely certain maps Vancouver is weak on
blissful robin
I want Haksal Doom again.
pearl stratus
Lijiang is just the most goats friendly one, and Dallas didn't even swap.
minor flame
yeah but its def possible in times like these
we've seen Hunters
they really showed alot of their weaknesses
night tusk
gg
minor flame
thats gg
pearl stratus
Bumper emoting is my favorite BM.
blissful robin
Have Titans gone against Shock yet?
uneven wren
bumper flexing in the middle of overtime lol
pearl stratus
In the Stage 1 Finals.
pearl stratus
And it was an insane game.
minor flame
it was prob the best game of the entire league
blissful robin
Only in stage 1 though right?
uneven wren
and in week 2 of stage 1
blissful robin
Not stage 2.
blissful robin
I saw the Stage 1 finals lol.
It was amazing.
Sadly my blizzard and twitch were not connected at the time so I lost those hours.
night tusk
so we won't see any upsets 😦
minor flame
this is probably
pearl stratus
They don't play again till late Stage 4.
minor flame
the worst stage
ive ever seen
in OWL
variety doesnt help when the teams that were shit are still shit
pearl stratus
Yeah, I'm talking gauranteed matches.
minor flame
they have to face other contenders
blissful robin
Ye.
minor flame
so its not guranteed
blissful robin
Titans are gonna def go to Finals.
night tusk
Titans > NYXL
tawny sigil
upsets are far and few appart this season
pearl stratus
Because shit teams should just be shit.
tawny sigil
i can only think of seoul vs nixel
pearl stratus
If you're an unflexible team, thats on your coaching and player recruiting.
Don't waste a lot of money on a shitty coach who had to name himself a genius.
4head.
inland pawn
i wanna see zach's stats
pearl stratus
Also I'm pretty sure I've been saying Aero and Jayne are overrated for like... 9 months now.
Because they both are.
Jayne does great stuff for the community.
minor flame
theyre ok coaches
pearl stratus
But he's not a great coach, neither is Aero.
minor flame
you can see some improvements they make to Fuel
pearl stratus
Their player development is horrible, you could see it in the WC.
minor flame
but their improvements are just
tawny sigil
gotta love when they call player that never got pressured on "he looked strong"
tawny sigil
i pop off too when everybody ignores me
pearl stratus
They don't develop properly from what I can see.
minor flame
I forgot shanghais coach
night tusk
minor flame
but Shanghais coach has been good
pearl stratus
Player mistakes and misplays -do not- get fixed.
Zach is literally the same Brig as he was in the World Cup half the time, with just natural improvement from playing in OWL.
blissful robin
I want more Haksal Doom.
minor flame
I find it funny
that Zach says like 4gitte shit
even though he is the worst brig
ive ever seen in OWL
pearl stratus
Early Linkzr was worse.
Zach at least sometimes maintains position.
Linkzr was off in the netherlands half the time early on in Stage 1.
minor flame
atleast hes consistently trash
tawny sigil
this scren pattern kills the bitrate so bad
pearl stratus
But he's mostly fixed it.
tawny sigil
their face look like im watching pewdiepie
pearl stratus
Houstons issue is economic, not team.
minor flame
economic?
pearl stratus
The owner group for Houston has their majority holder trying to sell their shares off.
So they basically have no spending cash until that all goes through.
minor flame
so theyre stuck
pearl stratus
Hence no pick ups, etc.
minor flame
with the current roster they have
it isnt like too bad
but they cant realyl succeed
pearl stratus
Nah its not the worst.
And they're making it work the best they can.
But you can see faults in the flex support and off-tank.
Just a lack of flexibility.
pearl stratus
Their DPs are doing a good job stepping up.
minor flame
do not put Arhan in
pearl stratus
In terms of Jake/Linkzr/Danteh as a group.
Arhan is their best Brig, however.
Despite all that.
trim shadow
So havana is out on ptr
pearl stratus
Agree. I personally prefer a line up of Muma, Spree, Jake, Danteh, Rawkus, Boink. But thats me.
trim shadow
anddd point A is a sniper death trap
minor flame
I believe Havana is anti goats
trim shadow
I actually think its defender heavy and dps heavy
minor flame
but it favors more Floats
trim shadow
Bunker looks like the premier strat for either A or C
pearl stratus
A and B definitely aren't Goats friendly.
C can be.
Because you can use the Helicopter room as a funnel
trim shadow
Bap is potentially nutty on B
minor flame
fortunately for Fuel
night tusk
Speed run incomming
pearl stratus
They're first points off-comp friendly.
It's finishing the maps thats the problem
Because both C's are solid goats points.
minor flame
Junker is def more bunker favoured
night tusk
Any% Blizzard World - WR holder Vancouver Titans
minor flame
for the marjority
solar olive
I hope Vancouver runs roughshot to make up for TO losing 4-0
night tusk
Voice lines not disabled 
pearl stratus
Shod 😛
solar olive
Running roughshot is like going wild uncontested
pearl stratus
Roughshod 😛
night tusk
PROST PROST PROST
solar olive
It's with a t in Canada lol
pearl stratus
I gaurantee you its not.
minor flame
ive been living in florida my whole life
pearl stratus
And you've just been spelling it wrong forever.
Roughshod is an actual horsing term, which is where it comes from.
solar olive
No I actually haven't typed it out before lol
pearl stratus
It's shoeing the horses foot with nails, so they cannot slip.
night tusk
if there is a team that is not shock or NYXL, who else can you see win from titans ?
pearl stratus
And as such just charge through with no issues whatsoever.
I think with the right map line up mostly any team can beat hem.
*them.
It's how many maps do you have to play their game.
solar olive
I think Vancouver can beat NYX tbh
tawny sigil
did people pop party poppers
night tusk
its not like we ever predicted right who would win from NYXL, same for titans
minor flame
yea
pearl stratus
Stage 2 isn't -that- bad.
solar olive
Has Shock-NYX happened?
night tusk
NYXL won
pearl stratus
Busan/Oasis - Paris/Anubis -Eichenwalde/Kings Row - Gibraltar Junker.
solar olive
Huh, well then
night tusk
but imo shock improved alot in finals and after
pearl stratus
You have a few maps per type that you can make work for you versus Vancouver.
pearl stratus
As long as you don't get Rialto, Paris, etc.
night tusk
before finals they also played someone else on brig instead of Rascal
pearl stratus
Titans are actually really good on Paris with their Goats for some reason.
solar olive
I remember when Vancouver finished Rialto in like a minute
minor flame
would shock win a rematch in a reg season match in this stage?
pearl stratus
It takes a while to find the ones that fit each spot the best.
solar olive
Well damn
solar olive
This rough
minor flame
by playoff standards they lost by 1
pearl stratus
Also I think current tracking LAG has a good shot against Vancouver.
night tusk
if I must pick a team who can win from Titans and I can't chose NYXL or shock .. than I guess it will be Hunters
minor flame
in goats?
pearl stratus
In both.
solar olive
Dallas is... running on fumes, lol
pearl stratus
Now that Void and Decay have clicked in they have a solid goats.
pearl stratus
It's enough to take the points they need, realistically.
I wouldn't run an entire game 3:3 against them if I had to.
night tusk
I don't see Seoul win from NYXL again
minor flame
ultimately you have to account into the fact that Titans does not adapt
so if they play their cards right in the right points and maps
they could seriously win
pearl stratus
They adapt, but its a bad adaptating.
Because Bumper can't play Wrecking Ball, so it throws their comp into janky land.
Since Bumper is a shit dps.
night tusk
Harsha mentioned that if they need to play 3 dps hammond comp. they let JJanu play Hammond and Bumper on DPS
but in other words they can't play Hammond Dva
pearl stratus
Bumper can play D'va.
minor flame
not good dps
pearl stratus
He played D'va for an Apex or so.
But they have to run bumper on DPS some, and he's literally shit.
minor flame
I honestly think
now or never
would be the best time for
coaches to start investing in making bumper better at dps
night tusk
Stage 3 will be forced 2-2-2
minor flame
that could work but a very aggro ball can be a very quick loss
he would have to change his playstyle between both comps simutaneously
if were talking about current meta wise
pearl stratus
If they play 1/3/2 they could make it work a bit.
Slime and Twilight are good enough.
night tusk
I think if Bunker would be really meta that could be more boring
night tusk
watching slow Orisa on attack
pearl stratus
Honestly all-in-all the games not in a bad spot.
We've getting map dependent meta.
Which is about as balanced as you're going to get.
balmy wolf
This is hard to watch
solar olive
Ecopush hug
minor flame
its kinda weird though
solar olive
*huh
minor flame
like what changes
balmy wolf
Why does Dallas try something different??
minor flame
could you possibly make
to make Goats weaker
you'd usually have to resort to big changes
pearl stratus
The question is would you realistically want to.
night tusk
Stage 1 season 1 we had junkrat orisa, dive (genji tracer) we had widow we had roadhog! just not rein and zarya
pearl stratus
There's a very large chunk of maps where goats is not the best answer, just the default one right now.
minor flame
although were getting better map dependency
goats takes alot of maps by storm
a majority of them
pearl stratus
But is that the comp being too good, or the teams being too bad to play others.
minor flame
could be both honestly
tough agate
How about to reduce the Barrier-HP of Rein to 1000 HP but with a bit faster Barriergeneration. And Zarya does just gain for each Bubble just 30 Energy and not more for each one. And a 10% reduce of the dmg zarya deals. Would these changes not destroy Goats we know? 🤔 What do u guys think about it?
pearl stratus
Rein barely uses his shield.
night tusk
Rein shield would be useless
pearl stratus
Just makes the fights slower.
solar olive
They be wanting to make Titans try lol
pearl stratus
Doesn't actually change anything.
opal spruce
well and you gotta think, if you nerf for just goats you're also nerfing for literally everything else
pearl stratus
And thats the biggest thing.
minor flame
nerfing goats is nerfing heroes that are a cruical part of the game
pearl stratus
Like right now unless you're in a special ed SR Brigittie actually needs massive buffs.
opal spruce
^
pearl stratus
Because outside of 3:3 she's useless.
tough agate
@opal spruce I know but I guess it's better to nerf the tanks instead of the support
night tusk
just force 2-2-2 xd
opal spruce
forcing 2-2-2 would get boring\
tough agate
I dunno probably 1000hp wld be really low but smth this way
minor flame
youre just removing alot of creative freedom that OW specially had
tough agate
Yeah 2-2-2 wld be boring
pearl stratus
Forcing 2-2-2 in OWL is called "How to waste a few billion dollars in one decision."
opal spruce
and would'nt forcing 2-2-2 just make dive meta gain?
inland pawn
night tusk
forcing 2-2-2 is proven in league to make balancing easier. now you can say like hey we need a brigitte buff but if you do that while 2-2-2 is not forced than goats would be even stronger for example
pearl stratus
It's fine for ladder, because ladder is shit.
balmy wolf
Go Dallas!!😄
karmic grotto
lmao
pearl stratus
Forcing 2-2-2 for pro play would also require massive buffs and nerfs every few months.
minor flame
brigitte buff actually doesnt matter unless its to her like aoe healing
pearl stratus
Because you'll literally only over see one comp.
Ever.
For every map.
And every point.
tawny sigil
why do i have to throw to play characters i'm bad at in ladder?
solar olive
Forcing people to have to do 2-2-2 would be bad and kill all creativity. I don't want that shit in comp, I'm a flex player, lol
minor flame
i often see that the restriction breeds creativity
it doesnt work in a game like OW
where every hero is too distinct
night tusk
creative = 5 dps 1 tank comps every game
tough agate
I don't even have 2-2-2 lol
opal spruce
could they make it to where after a certain amount of time you have to do a team hero switch?
solar olive
Restriction kind of does the opposite of breeding creativity
pearl stratus
I'm pretty sure even in the pros the only people who like 2-2-2 are bench fucks.
supple prism
and again, my suggestion is to improve the game in passive ways
pearl stratus
Who don't get to actually play.
So they spend all their time on ladder.
Like Taimou lmao
minor flame
5 dps 1 tank is like a rarity but if im gonna be honest
3-4 dps kicks ass dude on ladder usually
pearl stratus
My favorite is when like....
when someone in gold is like "WE NEED 2/2/2"
Like dude.
You're in gold.
night tusk
Taimou = like Pine/hooreg a hitscan player who does not need playtime right now
tough agate
But in goats meta there is actually no special player (besides of JJoNaK LMFAO)
pearl stratus
Stop drooling on yourself like a fucking moron and communicate and you can literally play anything.
You're in gold.
tough agate
@night tusk that is what is crap
tawny sigil
i dont see how being a flex player is an argument about 2/2/2 being a bad idea
solar olive
You don't "need" 2-2-2, but it can help
tough agate
Weirdchamp
supple prism
the only positive of 2-2-2 is separate SRs for each role
solar olive
Well I mean if I'm.forced into one role, then I can't switch to cover someone else who may need to swap roles
opal spruce
@pearl stratus you alright man?
pearl stratus
I'm fine, its just baffling that the ranks that literally don't need comps are the ones freaking out so much about it.
solar olive
The only thing that should have enforced roles are created groups.
tawny sigil
oh just realized dallas lost the series
tawny sigil
nothing here moving on
supple prism
its not like they understand how comps work or how each role works for that matter
pearl stratus
Having a large chunk of the games population really believe that elohell is what keeps them locked into a rank. It's super jaded.
solar olive
Like I'm not in favour of the idea of say, solo queing forcing you to pick a role when you search
supple prism
hopefully that at worst make 2-2-2 their own mode
minor flame
albeit
you can have a better understanding of the game without having to be a super high rank
tawny sigil
monte is using LoL to build his argument,
night tusk
monte does not play OW because he works and is 24/7 in OW already
minor flame
the main difference
opal spruce
sweet i can go to bed now and hope dallas plays better in dallas
tawny sigil
locked roll is apparently the best thing that ever happened to LoL
night tusk
do you expect that you play OW than in free time lol
tough agate
But after all 2-2-2 wld be same annoying as 3-3
minor flame
is that LoL has dozens of dozens of characters
pearl stratus
I think Rolequeue is a great idea, and you can let that help guide a psuedo 2-2-2, but I gaurantee for low ranks 2-2-2 is barely, if at all, help people climb.
night tusk
gg
balmy wolf
want to hear a joke?
minor flame
Fuel?
balmy wolf
console tournament
tawny sigil
well 2-2-2 requires 3 seperate ranking
tough agate
Just delete rein and ORISA and zarya ez pog
pearl stratus
People don't get stuck in silver/gold because of no 2/2/2, they're stuck because of glaring issues with their mechanics/game sense and generally aim.
opal spruce
@tough agate sarcasm right?
night tusk
Winston goats
tawny sigil
if they add 2-2-2 and have 1 rank still.. then its pointless and they wasted everyone's time
tough agate
@endoken and their mentally
pearl stratus
Mentality is very trrue.
tough agate
@opal spruce no actually my serious Kappa
pearl stratus
If your teammates are always the issue you have to look at the common denominator.
Which is always that person.
Only person who's in every game they lose.
tough agate
@opal spruce wld Jeff ever delete a hero lol
blissful robin
Brig.
night tusk
HOOREG
median coyote
The red team? They seem to be the common denominator
solar olive
He deleted Defense to avoid giving them a new hero lol
night tusk
lol debut
median coyote
Always keeping me down
tough agate
I'm asking myself is the broadcast not tired of seeing goats lol
blissful robin
Please keep 4 DPS.
inland pawn
😂
tough agate
Do 5 dps with mercy lol
Actually if goats would die Vancouver would die with it lol
No good DPS in this team at all
blissful robin
Haksal is pretty aight with Genji isnt he?
tough agate
First pick lol
Okay this is bs of dallas they force the best 3-3 team to play 3-3 4Head
night tusk
bumper on hammond
tough agate
Lol Vancouver don't care at all
night tusk
tough agate
Okay dallas blame themselves
finite pagoda
A nice meme fest to end the day
tough agate
Huh?
night tusk
don't need goats lolol
tough agate
Dallas already kinda gave up
night tusk
symm
tough agate
Interesting tactic lol
night tusk
Closer was so close
tough agate
Ggs
uneven wren
FEEL THE POWER OF HOOREG
blissful robin
Jesus. 11-0
night tusk
not even close
blissful robin
Wait Gladiators is 5-0?
tough agate
YXL?
echo quest
Player for chengdu
tough agate
U got banned on xQc if u use residentsleeper lol
echo quest
Just got his visa
tough agate
@echo quest when?
echo quest
like 2 days ago
tough agate
But where lol
echo quest
?
tough agate
Like where did he say that ?
tough agate
In the voice chat ?
echo quest
nah text
echo quest
aspen was laughing lmao
tough agate
Remember when Fran asked geguri to marry her lol
echo quest
lul
tough agate
And she replied with i'm to young 21 l fao
echo quest
OWL has the dumbest conducts
YXL gets fined for saying 4 words but Haksal can say kill your self to three other pros
tough agate
I mean they don't accept sarcasm
echo quest
They better fine haksal
echo quest
Against sinatraa hydration and space
in the chat
he was saying a lot of shit
Haksal is really toxic
tough agate
Source 3Head ? Like freshnuts or smth lol
echo quest
holdup
tough agate
Itachi Kun
I saw that D:
Well in the past ppl used to ask how was u day or smth seems like today we re asking for gender first MonkaS
@inner comet sure I keep it lol
echo quest
Twitter
tough agate
This mehello guy was kicked from the server lol
echo quest
Guess Gamsu couldnt help him'
tough agate
Oh ty
I cannot speak Korean just can read hangul lol
Hold up the force of Google will help me lmfao
tough agate
Lmfao I'm blind
Well this is definitely not sarkasm or smth
Should gain for that a season suspension if xQc gets one for being just ironic
"just"
echo quest
Same thing
tough agate
That's all right? Or did I miss agane some shit
echo quest
He said kill your self multiple times to a player on comp
tough agate
Hold on I got banned for 3hrs naisu cmonBruh
echo quest
lol
tough agate
U msg got deletedm
I mean if xQc which is known to be "entertainin'" says ironically "go suck dicks" and got a season suspension but this serious toxic guy haksal orders them 3 other OWL player to go kill em self
Idk blizzard but ure doin a weird job lmao
echo quest
he was banned for stage 2 I think
tough agate
Yeah yeah he was suspended mid stage 2 I guess
And then dalla released him
that was obviously after the suspension tho
echo quest
they suspensions are so stupid
tough agate
Remember when Dallas forced taimou on Winston 4Head
echo quest
haksal says this shit nothing while Ripa nearly got a stage ban
tough agate
Who the hell is ripa now Omegalul
echo quest
player for LAG
tough agate
I nearly dunno anyone of the new players D:
Well I'm sorry for asking agane but what did he do
echo quest
The fines are bullshit too
tough agate
I mean ripa for sure
tough agate
Sorry have to translate it language barrier
echo quest
its the income for OWL
tough agate
Yeah yeah the money u earn
But why did he gain nearly a ban?
Wait I'm gonna check it myself
How ever I'm gonna sleep it's 8am here and I didn't sleep eother
vagrant cargo
@tough agate where did Haksal told them to kill them self?
He flamed them
Thats all
He didnt even say some really offensive Shit
queen drift
Shock on a 16 map win streak 
gaunt acorn
titans on a 14 game win streak 
balmy wolf
Hooreg is 9th in least deaths/10
trim shadow
So much for dallas provin themselves
gaunt acorn
they proved they were ok
just incapable of beating the titans, like every other team
queen drift
titans can eat my ass 
gaunt acorn
they can't reach your ass from the top of the standings 
balmy wolf
tawny sigil
GLADIATOR bOom boOM GLADIATOR
tawny sigil
what are you talking about, weren't you here watching with us last night
tawny sigil
ah
tawny sigil
absolute, mad lad
minor flame
Godreg btw
queen drift
@gaunt acorn they arent top of the standings tho 👀
they have to 4-0 their next game, and even then they're second
and thats assuming shock lose lul
gaunt acorn
@queen drift overall
season standings
anyways matches played is always crazy imbalanced
vale pond
map differential at that point means nothing
The teams are so good that bar a megachoke seeding doesnt matter
trim shadow
map differential at this point is for end of season playoffs
for the top 4 it doesnt matter there steam rolling as long as goats is around
this stage for them is to get as much differential as they can for seeding later down the line
vale pond
They steamroll regardless
pearl stratus
Actually map differential means that Titans will always be #2 in season standings because they're not as clean.
trim shadow
im gonna give vancouver and nyxl a 60% chance to finish the season cleanly
mystic hornet
Hot take: Eileen could be one of the best dps in the League if he was on an all Chinese roster
pearl stratus
I don't necessarily disagree, but you'd need a second chinese team.
I wouldn't take Eileen over say... Jinmu.
echo quest
@vagrant cargo there were screen shots and translations
vagrant cargo
Haksal never Said kys
Afaik
He Said the 3 Stack is trash
And called sinatraa an insect
echo quest
d yelling, “god why are you so bad, at least pick heroes that fit the comp or just get out and die, fucking duo shit fuck”
Also insect is basically piece of shit in Korean
Dude is toxic af he literally screamed at player even after the match ended
trim shadow
sometimes people just want to destroy other people @vagrant cargo
echo quest
A*
vagrant cargo
I dont deny that he is toxic af
echo quest
WAIT
vagrant cargo
But thats still something different than saying kys
echo quest
He’s still allowed to play in contenders
@vagrant cargo is just that OWL is so inconsistent in punishments
echo quest
XQC got fined for saying something bad about Fate and Envy
balmy wolf
are you kidding me
trim shadow
or muma throwing all kinds of slurs
nate is biased towards punishment and most teams are as well
echo quest
Right
YXL 4 words
Whole’s month salary gone
Also if come first or second in the stage playoffs YXL doesn’t get any of it
Chengdu*
Of the bonus money
pine pivot
Hello I wanted to ask if you can log his clan somehow in tournaments.
vagrant cargo
What Clan @pine pivot
pine pivot
@vagrant cargo RaZeClan....
The Clan ist still at the beginning
minor flame
Huh
Most of these punishments are from teams themselves
Chengdu issued the salary fine
pine pivot
@vagrant cargo Overwatch ?
trim shadow
Well shit that was obvious
Its also obvious the reign dont care abour winning or my heart
And so it wasnt dogman it was kodak
trim shadow
Im just...disapointed in being a reign fan
queen drift
Dogman and Kodak are still meh off supports
queen drift
And not really same as Carpe fragi
trim shadow
no hes trash i will throw if he doesnt get perma benched
fine fine well bring up dog feeder
REEEEEE curses in korean at teammates
dafran retires fuck this dudeeeee gimme my twitch prime money back dudeeee i cant deal with it
echo quest
@trim shadow rumor from avast
Atlanta have their self to blame
They could have yoinked crimzo the best zen after alarm
pearl stratus
There's a reason literally zero teams picked Crimzo.
Have no clue what it is.
But its there.
pearl stratus
Again, 20 teams. No offers.
There's a reason.
People look at this shit in too much of a vacuum.
echo quest
justice cant afford him so
echo quest
look for a better offeer
pearl stratus
Worked out well for him.
pearl stratus
Unless there's a reason no one picked him up.
echo quest
20 teams yet 8 are non english
pearl stratus
Still didn't get picked up by the other 60%.
echo quest
then you have teams like shock,LAV,LAG ,BU,dallas that dont need him as they have monster zens
then you have Mayhem and justice shitshows who wont even look at him
pearl stratus
And in doing so created more Zens available who are better than him.
echo quest
Nah Gido is shit
pearl stratus
Unless you think Sleepy is going to be content to stay on a bench.
pearl stratus
Houston won't pick up anyone until their parent org finalizes the sale of the main share of the company.
pearl stratus
I'm more saying Crimzo not being picked up long term, especially after the OWWC, makes him most likely a not attractive pick up.
Because he trialed a lot.
And no one looked at him twice.
With Sleepy as a free agent, Alarm available, etc.
Assuming Alarm gets first dibs by Fusion, if he signs a contract there he also frees up Boombox.
pearl stratus
Yeah Sleepy is permabench on shock, you'd never play him over Viol2t.
So those two would be open trade targets.
echo quest
i still dont get dogman tho
pearl stratus
And both looked at first by any real team over Crimzo, unless they needed to go cheap.
echo quest
he doesnt belong in owl
minor flame
Dogman talks shit but he is shit
echo quest
Good man Daco for giving him his dream job
pearl stratus
Also Bock looks better than Crimzo now too.
BHurricane are tearing up their contenders.
queen drift
Had no idea knoxxxx was their coach
pearl stratus
Epzz is getting there too.
But I think Epzz is still young, I can't remember.
Also there's like...
6-7 Chinese contenders players who are about to hit 18 who are fucking bananas.
echo quest
Shy and Leave
pearl stratus
There is almost no chance Leave goes anywhere but Chengdu.
If you played on MY, you're loyal to RUI.
echo quest
^
pearl stratus
For good reason.
He's arguably the smartest coach in the league, despite how strict he is.
echo quest
they need jiqiren to get his visa
pearl stratus
He has it.
pearl stratus
He got approved, I just don't think they're in a rush to get him here.
As the only thing they need him for is Winston.
vagrant cargo
Kodak>crimzo
pearl stratus
He is in no way a better Rein anymore.
echo quest
yes he is lol watch cn contenders
pearl stratus
You're ignoring 6 weeks of playing in OWL to adjust Ameng's Rein.
I have.
Contenders is still Special Olympicswatch compared to a crash course in OWL.
echo quest
One good performance against bumper doesnt mean shit
minor flame
Like 8 ppl are turning 18 in China but no new teams are being made next yr
Gotta wonder
Where are all they gonna go
echo quest
@pearl stratus Titans say otherwise
pearl stratus
I also know Jiqiren is an overaggressive Rein that hurt Team CC more.
RUI will break the bad chinese fissure habits
vagrant cargo
How is Kodak barely contenders Level when he was crushing in EU contenders
pearl stratus
But by no means is he going to be a full replacement for the Chengdu play style.
You'll find him on 3:3 strict maps, as he's a direct downgrade for dps comps.
echo quest
he'll the maps where dps comps dont work
echo quest
idk I mean yxl just got his
pearl stratus
I could have sworn he got his like a week after yxl.
echo quest
like 3 weeks ago
it still takes time for the process I think
Huaghzou better run Krystal from now on
Adora doesnt belong is the starting lineup
proven saddle
does somebady else hates bumper?
trim shadow
Dont even wanna watch us get smacked like a illegimate son in a school@yard for cursing
a🤔
The owl drama is extremely high today
This stage*
also pog it isnt about Boston
echo quest
@vernal obsidian a lot of it has
HuK is a dick
@proven saddle why he’s so wholesome
proven saddle
he's way to arrogant
proven saddle
he is one of the best main tanks, but there's also a team behind him which saves his ass way too often
vernal obsidian
One of the key things that define a good main tank is if you peel for your backline.
You see this constantly in the main and secondary tanks of NYXL, Titans and Fusion.
echo quest
@proven saddle he has every right to be arrogant lul
proven saddle
and i hope someone beat his ass just like when jjonak flame Ryu and Seoul
echo quest
@proven saddle doesn’t really matter because even though Seoul won it really doesn’t mean shit
Jjonak has two stage titles and is much better than jehon
proven saddle
off course he is better but not because you're better gives you the right of being a dick
vale pond
What
proven saddle
same with bumper
echo quest
Yes it does lol
Bdosin called everyone on Philly trash when they won
He has the right to
When they got styled on
proven saddle
that's does not give him the right, that's just your opinion
echo quest
Fair
proven saddle
idk, i think that's kinda toxic
echo quest
That is toxic that’s the truth
vale pond
whatever
Its not like trashtalk happens in EVERY OTHER SPORT
Just dont be a dick to your own team
minor flame
Its good trashralk but constantly saying kruise is a feeder and pushing that on everyone
You kinda look like a dick st that point
echo quest
@vale pond I meant to write isn’t
pearl stratus
I think its more that I'd want the trash talk to come from people who aren't trash.
So like Dogmen yelling Kruise is a Feeder is like water telling me I'm wet.
The impact is severely lessened by the fact that Dogman is Dogshit.
echo quest
^
pearl stratus
Whereas I can appreciate Bumper emote spamming on the final point against Dallas Fuel.
That shit was funny.
echo quest
^
pearl stratus
Or even the Ryuhejong vs. Jjonak stuff that was going on.
And then Seoul knocked NYXL out of the stage finals.
That was on point.
Basically OWL has a lot of trash talk from people who don't have the ability or team to follow it up, and thats not that exciting.
echo quest
It was cool because jjonak looked up to jehong and then surpassed him
pearl stratus
It's like a chihuahua.
Small yappy shits just being load.
When you can pick them up and punt them 50 or so yards.
Sinatraa and Super saying dumb shit?
Fine, they earned it.
echo quest
Ye
north tendon
balmy wolf
Sleepy is miles better than Gido
Sleepy and Ark is actually a pretty decent support lineup
Corey is good on anything other than Zarya
They just need to deal with their tank lineup and Justice could be a decent team
Ark speaks fluent English so there should be no communication barrier between him and Sleepy
echo quest
Janus is dogshit tho
pearl stratus
If they pick up Daco from Atlanta if that ends up destructing to replace Sansam.
They'd be in an interesting spot.
At that point if they can maintain the mixed roster I'd say go for FCTFCTN/Panker or Beasthalo.
Even Trill.
Panker would be the best pick up, obviously. But he'll be $$$.
echo quest
Atlanta is even dumber
pearl stratus
FCT, Beast and Trill would probably be on the cheaper end.
echo quest
They should have gotten sleepy
limber pine
Atlanta doesn't need another flex support
pearl stratus
Ideally they'd have dropped both shit ones.
One slightly more expensive contract > two contracts for shit players
pearl stratus
My hot take is that (and this is a harsh thing to say)
I think Philly needs to release their coaches.
echo quest
Fate boutta style in Janus
pearl stratus
And carpe.
This pop off play style they revolve around isn't working for them, and you can see the continual degradation of the teamplay fucking over everything they do.
echo quest
Fuck no
pearl stratus
So if you're stuck running a tank because of your DPS, you can come out better in the long run by removing it.
echo quest
Why would you do that
pearl stratus
Because cohesion plays out a lot more then skill.
And there's absolutely no cohesion in Philly right now.
echo quest
Ye and what happens is goats end?
pearl stratus
I can't see three years into the future.
nova wadi
Sado isnt good
pearl stratus
Sado is fine.
limber pine
^
echo quest
You don’t release someone like carpe you build around him
pearl stratus
Philly playing around Sado is bad.
nova wadi
Sado does a lot of questionable things
pearl stratus
He does questionable things because the team is honestly probably the worst in the league at Goats.
He plays an aggressive style and they're literally all dog shit.
All of them.
Giant mountains of dog shit.
And then the frustration bleeds off into their DPS comps.
Where they look half tilted.
echo quest
Holy shit chill with the hot takes
pearl stratus
Also with the new levels of DPS players teams are bringing in you can make things work without building around a singular star.
echo quest
Name me one team in the top 10 without a star dps
pearl stratus
Vancouver 😛 Since they're all goats.
Hell they rotate Bumper onto DPS it matters so little.
nova wadi
Seominsoo is a really good cree
pearl stratus
He's actually arguably one of their lower DPS. He has a hesistant fan style of McCree - their best DPS is benchbound in Stitch sadly.
nova wadi
Ive never seen stitch play so i cant give my opinion of him
pearl stratus
If Bumper picks up Wrecking ball well enough they don't have to sacrifice Jjanu for it he might get out of jail.
But currently Jjanu being their Wrecking Ball hurts their 1:3:2 because you can't drop Bumper or you lose Goats flex.
I also would argue the Shock, currently, has no -star- DPS.