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little silo
idle beacon
Duh
trim shadow
Find her instagram and youll get answers
unreal shell
paid staff
idle beacon
Paid shit talk
supple prism
Paid Seat Fillers
little silo
Paid Nate Nanzer
dreamy cave
i wish discord had a poll system for groupchats
little silo
Wow he butchered that map name
night tusk
https://twitter.com/ggVortex_/status/1117587184482160641 ONE MAYHEM FAN LUL (designed of mayhem)
simple badger
ksf throwing lol
little silo
Glads have won every map with Void so far
opal spruce
little silo
Mayhem has fans?
opal spruce
yeah
little silo
Even Toronto is more interesting
proper cove
LAV just swept them
simple badger
@opal spruce lol
little silo
Decay
minor flame
what
simple badger
decay throwing lol
minor flame
i feel bad for Charge and Mayhem fans
unreal shell
GRAV UP
little silo
idk what that positioning was
night tusk
I believe toronto have alot of home fans. but they are pog to watch
unreal shell
GRAV OUT
proper cove
Is there even such a thing as Mayhem fans?
tawny sigil
wtf is going on, on this map today
minor flame
Charge Mayhem and Toronto's social media game is bad
little silo
Toronto barely have a social media presence
tawny sigil
look likes some russian street fights
night tusk
Mayhem fan meetings looks good but not big indeed :p
little silo
Valiant honestly isnt that good either
dreamy cave
valiant have been making these gravs work alot better
supple prism
Justices social media is all that one lady complaining
little silo
WHAT
unreal shell
ahahahahaha
dreamy cave
wow
little silo
GLORIOUS
night tusk
lol
minor flame
to the pits you go
night tusk
I believe Charge have the least western fans. can't know about Chinese fans.
minor flame
Charge is p split
tawny sigil
lav woke up
minor flame
no one really mentioning this rn but this is becoming a very fast point b
little silo
Chengdu has been meh at the start but got way better both in game and marketing wise
opal spruce
chengdu fans are mostly just ameng fans
little silo
Whats wrong with that
opal spruce
nothings wrong with it
little silo
he is our lord and saviour after all
opal spruce
cause same
little silo
The man can go to the mall and have sex with more women than I will ever see in my life
night tusk
Hunter fans can be chinese ofcourse (full chinese) ameng or not goats fans. but their team got good players. Jimnu, Elsa
dreamy cave
there gonna go through the cassle
little silo
Yveltal is really good
dreamy cave
yessss
night tusk
Huge
minor flame
does Space actually eat gravs
opal spruce
that bmomb came from space
little silo
Kyo isnt that outstanding tbh
little silo
He is but he goes unnoticed
little silo
The dps are no specialist
night tusk
c9
dreamy cave
caught by shatter
dreamy cave
sad
opal spruce
custa wtf bruh
little silo
They are super flexible tho
light flint
haha
night tusk
I saw this comming lol
minor flame
Custa9
inland pawn
letter number specialist
light flint
I like this match up
little silo
THE D10
proper cove
C9 C9 C9 C9 C9
upper niche
Let's go LAV, let's see the lowest-scoring match in OWL history 😄
proper cove
LAV Lucio could’ve easily capped that
tawny sigil
pretty sure those are random highlights
upper niche
although I suppose 0-0 is possible on 2CP.
little silo
Still better than the ones in Watchpoint
night tusk
actually lose of win right now
dreamy cave
rememer how fun the games were against these teams when goats wasnt in meta
little silo
goats can be interesting
tawny sigil
change my mind?
dreamy cave
it can be, but as much as old games
tawny sigil
Your wrong... how about that, typo included
little silo
The teamplay aspect is interesting and the small intricacies are interesting
Cooldown management and communication have improved massively because of it
night tusk
KFC 5k
unreal shell
KSF haters btfo
little silo
No
dreamy cave
OMG VOID
tawny sigil
space wish he could do that
little silo
Space is insane but Decay is amazing as well
Decay wont let his gravs get eaten that easily
dreamy cave
its funny because space and voids names are almost similar.
minor flame
KSF whiffed that
little silo
i never thought about that
night tusk
the baptiste ...
little silo
should probably switch off the baptiste
tawny sigil
3 minute left... there is no way
little silo
he will now
dreamy cave
they just won that bc of bap
worn hornet
i wonder how much viewership is going to plummet in about 5 minutes
little silo
Who knows
little silo
what if valiant tie up
tawny sigil
ex clap
night tusk
gg
dreamy cave
void does it again
worn hornet
really a question of how many people currently watching care more about GoT
little silo
Haha
dreamy cave
and the counter shatter
little silo
I will now write ez clap
dreamy cave
smh
minor flame
Space and KSF still underperforming
unreal shell
why didn't they fight under the bridge?
little silo
EZ Clap
tawny sigil
its over.... valla, go put some clothes on, your job is done
supple prism
no one knows why they retreated
finite pagoda
little silo
Alright time to check twitter for the smavk
dreamy cave
"they have the better mascot, it was doomed from the start"
proper cove
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC999999999999999
dreamy cave
lol
upper niche
goddanmit. I go to a stand-up and LAV have lost? 😦
little silo
truly paid actors
worn hornet
Now kiss
inland pawn
that girl just got squashed by these dudes 😂
upper niche
Okay. Come on LAV. You can take map 4. Please?
dreamy cave
i bet 1-4 of those guys were perverts
idle beacon
Omg paid crap
little silo
because shes barely wearing anything or why?
unreal shell
who would scream their lungs out for free?
night tusk
pog
dreamy cave
yeah @little silo
little silo
Im not sure how good Ripa is
idle beacon
@unreal shell real fans so i thought
light flint
So Gladiators won?
night tusk
they won and have to learn him so I understand to throw him right on this match
little silo
He might be good enough to replace Shaz but Shaz and Goose have a lot of snyergy
We will see
night tusk
or when someone is sick.
idle beacon
Who is ripa
balmy wolf
ripa is the backup
little silo
Ripa was banned for 5 games at the start of the season
night tusk
Ripa Biggoose and shaz all 3 speak the same language (all supports)
idle beacon
New in glds?
little silo
which allowed for less stage experience and experimentation
little silo
and...grav
dreamy cave
ooh
little silo
Or not
night tusk
60%
light flint
That was beautiful.
light flint
WOW
little silo
that was... disappointing
night tusk
Press Q so fast as you can so you have so many Q's in the game.
dreamy cave
Void i think is my POTM
little silo
Mine is either Decay or Fate
dreamy cave
space fianly ate something
idle beacon
Itll be hydra
dreamy cave
ik he was starving
unreal shell
so many ults 0 kills
little silo
Goats should have an epilepsy warning
dreamy cave
they were low heath tho
little silo
and that
Poor Roar
Ripas zen play looks a bit weird
like hes not an experienced zen
dreamy cave
weird zen ult after they won the fight
little silo
Round was basically over so i dont doubt that
light flint
C9 LUL haha dude this match up is intense!
little silo
Ripa looks like an emo ginger
idle beacon
glads supps = the 3 chubbs 🙂
dreamy cave
that wasnt a c9 they couldnt get close to it even if he hadent shattered
night tusk
thats the joke @dreamy cave
keen abyss
really dumb joke
dreamy cave
i feel like its only a c9 if u have the potential to actually touch or are near enough to
little silo
yeah thats how it works
keen abyss
i disagree
little silo
everything is a C9 for twitch chat
keen abyss
if you're a mercy who can touch but you also have a genji with an ult a second behind you
idle beacon
Leaving a point, payload in charge, to fight .. c9
little silo
Actively leaving the objective is what I consider a C9
night tusk
I see lost fight LUL I Say c9 LUL
keen abyss
alright but i wish i could block the LUL emote on twitch
little silo
i wish i could block 4Head
little silo
The Goats ResidentSleeper comments are annoying
dreamy cave
little silo
they spam it even during interesting fights
idle beacon
Did he just quote king leonidas?
night tusk
Valiant doing it 😮
little silo
i doubt that Leonidas said Fatty Shatty
dreamy cave
i dont think its ripas fault
idle beacon
Not that
idle beacon
'Give them nothing but take them everything'
night tusk
gg
little silo
and the glads waddle away
night tusk
Feels Bad for Ripa. Pog for Valiant not losing every map
dreamy cave
look at all those 0s, 1s, and 2s
upper niche
I said 3-2, we got 2-1, I'll take it.
light flint
So intense!
dreamy cave
and space^
little silo
space barely showed up in this series imo
idle beacon
How old is hydration?
light flint
Awwoooooo
little silo
21-22 i think
idle beacon
He looks so young
night tusk
NOT SPICY LOL
idle beacon
Like 17-18
dreamy cave
custa and agilities got a few picks on there counteparts hydration and biggoose as first picks in a few fights
night tusk
Danny wants some trash talk lol
little silo
goose is definitely media trained
idle beacon
Where is biggoose from?
idle beacon
Shaz and ripa aswell?
night tusk
All supports are from finland
little silo
yes
idle beacon
Nice
little silo
Is Void better than Bischu?
little silo
rn yes but in general
idle beacon
Glads should buy tviq 😀
night tusk
he is playing for contenders for practice I believe
little silo
Bischu didnt play yet in this season because of his disease so I cant compare them yet
minor flame
did val win map 4?
little silo
ye
night tusk
imo Void S1 was also better but Bischu was not bad.
little silo
Yeah i think there are a few articles
he wasnt in top shape because the disease affected him
idle beacon
Lol at commercial
night tusk
well.. LA Legion (contenders) lost their off tank (who is now in ATL REIGN) so I guess with that Bischu did not play a long time including scrims that they let him play for Legion right now
little silo
he has ulcerative colitis
@minor flame https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theplayerslobby.com/4285/my-constant-battle-aaron-bischu-kim-la-gladiators/&ved=2ahUKEwjaqr3c9dDhAhUFZFAKHWqpAKEQFjADegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2xaiKsNvMp1RYZONGWYogM If youre interested he talks about it in a few interviews and this article
keen abyss
alright but goats is much more entertaining to watch than widowwatch league
night tusk
its a virus..
little silo
yes
night tusk
https://www.theplayerslobby.com/4285/my-constant-battle-aaron-bischu-kim-la-gladiators/#.xiOolYqPVK *
night tusk
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
night tusk
next week 😡
NYXL vs PHI, VAN vs DAL are pog
London vs Boston, Dallas vs Seoul. GLA vs Hunters
little silo
NY vs Philly again?
little silo
That looks like a virus
night tusk
night tusk
shanghai vs houston can be fun ? idk how good houston is
little silo
That might be a good series
night tusk
Shock will win everything I guess
light flint
cringe
night tusk
Boston vs Titans can maybe be close
little silo
Shock will just stomp everyone
light flint
in the background
night tusk
most hyped for week 4, first home game
little silo
OGE has had some really good performances since Note got traded to Fuel
night tusk
home game vs Valiant even if they lose is not that big than houston lol
night tusk
I think Dallas really want to win both games in week 4
little silo
ofc they do
little silo
who wants to lose a home game
night tusk
still wonder how it will looks like
New York was fun aswell on the finals
Dafran will be at the ATL home game to support, kinda cool for the fans who really want to meet him
dreamy cave
lit
upper niche
That venue looks really bloody small
Also, WTF is doing on with the satellite images Google have for that area?
light flint
Why is he like that every time?
upper niche
What's Soe eluding to, "players can fall down the stairs"... o_O
"hint hint"? 😄
Has anyone tried to actually book tickets to the weekend in Dallas via https://dallasfuel.com/ ? What an absolute piece of crap booking system. I can't even figure out how to select a ticket, it gives me some stupid graph I can't figure out how to understand or interact with at all.
mint flower
trim shadow
Savage
keen abyss
damn charge has had a rough matchup this stage
shock twice then gladiators
no wonder they haven't taken a map this stage
upper niche
The whole thing of teams playing the same team twice within a stage is total bullshit :/
Whichever genius had that idea really didn't think through the implications of that.
trim shadow
Oh hang on ripa got play time?
what he do
@upper niche go yell at other sports for ir
It*
upper niche
I can't name another sport that has stage breakdowns with cash Playoffs.
upper niche
Yes, but the within stages thing is the problem.
trim shadow
Its all for division and end of season playoffs
upper niche
Not the teams playing others twice.
trim shadow
Give me a constructed argument of why teams shouldnt play twice in stage
upper niche
Divisions are a fucking stupid American concept anyway.
supple prism
what are they even for?
trim shadow
Like i said
upper niche
When you can have one team playing the wooden spoon team, or champion team twice within a single stage, it creates massive imbalance in the fairness of draws.
upper niche
So play the repeat matches at the start and end of the season.
trim shadow
Its impossible to avoid having teams play twice
upper niche
The way they have it actually works, because eyou play each team in your division twice.
It's the stage thing that was poorly thought out.
trim shadow
Not rlly
supple prism
there is like 90 rematches in these 4 stages
trim shadow
Cause you cant have players playing a whole year straight with small breaks
It also gives time for blizz to update the game
upper niche
Yes, really, but if you can't see that without explanation I'm likely talking to a brick wall. While tyring to walk heh.
supple prism
and we have only had 21 rematches so far
trim shadow
Un division leauges usually have 8 teams
But when you have 20 and about 60-80 players it gets hard to balance schelduing
And without divisions home games will be impossible
So rematches are bound to happen
You dont want shanghai flying to dallas then flying to south florida all within a weekend
Shanghai bus riding to chengdu then chengdu bus riding to shanghai is easier for scheldue
And also helps map differenrtial
upper niche
Having teams play the same team back to back on its own is not a problem. It becomes a problem when you have a half million cash pool at stake when you might have to play, say, nyxl or sfs twice within that stage. It would be hardly fair if you get to play FLM or WAS twice in a stage either. If they are going to have teams play each other twice within a close period, while away games are not yet a thing, then they should not have stage Playoffs.
In the 2019 season any argument about travel is null and void since all teams are based out of LA.
trim shadow
So your bias argument is that teams shouldnt play top teams twice but can play bottom feeders twice
When you sometimes teams scrim each other 5-6 times a week or a month
upper niche
How the fuck is that biased?
upper niche
And no, it's not at all, but nice straw man.
upper niche
I didn't remotely suggest what you're claiming I said.
trim shadow
Therefore they are in the hole
If u hungry and want the million or the 200k youll give your all for it
wind prawn
you could go by the logic that if you cant beat the top teams to get into playoffs, you probably wont win the stage anyways
opaque cedar
most pro sports leagues have some semblance of an issue with balancing teams and competitions. the nfl, nba, nhl, and mlb all have a system wherein you simply need to beat your divisional opponents to make the playoffs.
if the other teams in your division are bad (or all of them are bad), it's possible to end up in a situation where bad teams could make it into the playoffs, sometimes even at the expense of better teams.
scheduling imbalance isn't a problem unique to owl. if they were to be asked, i'd bet the official answer is that ideally teams make up ground in a subsequent stage where your competition has the harder draw and you get the easier draw. would be interested to see average opponent record broken down per stage at the end of this year.
and while travel isn't a consideration here in 2019, the fact that 40% of the league has no history with which to build schedules certainly is.
upper niche
From what I understand each team only plays one team twice in any stage, once..
I could be wrong, but from what I can tell there are only 10 sets of duplicate matches within a stage.
opaque cedar
yeah, i don't know enough to know off hand.
upper niche
That's what makes it signficantly more unbalanced in this case.
Also, comparing only US leagues when you talk about "pro sports leagues" is a pretty bad example to use as a justification, seeing as it's pretty much a prevalent problem in the US and nearly every other sports league around the world have seen these kinds of issues and gone "that's a shit idea, let's not do that".
Atlanta play NYXL twice in Stage 2. Dallas played Shanghai twice in stage 1.
opaque cedar
i don't know that i'm providing a "justification" but they're clearly modeling it off of us pro sports leagues.
upper niche
Charge play Shock twice in Stage 2.
I'm just skimming through to see if I can find any other examples of any teams that have multiple head-to-head pairings within a single stage, but I can't see any. I'm pretty sure it's just that each team gets a single two-time pairing once in the season.
opaque cedar
an interesting decision.
upper niche
I can't see any evidence that Outlaws have a two-match pairing.
London play NYXL twice in Stage 3. So NYXL actually have at least two of those pairings throughout the season.
Seoul play Vancouver twice in Stage 2. And Vancouver play LAG twice in stage 3.
oh wow, the Stage 4 Vancouver have. They start off by playing Shanghai, Florida and Washington. But then they play the two premiership contenders - London and Philly - and then straight after that play the other two 2019 favorites - SanFran and NYXL.
trim shadow
Division balancing
And there are leauges outside of the us with divisions mainly fc clubs and worldwide baseball
They struggle with scheldue balance as well
also take into fact that goats has been the main meta two stages in a row
So stage 1 was polishing goats
And stage 2 is if u cant play goats you fall behind
Hence why san fran lag nyxl and vancouver look unbeatable
You cant predict whos strong when you dont know the meta
And when the scheldue is made ahead of time its balanced on divisions not current meta or roster strength
All teams practice different adapt different and in stage 2 case get unlucky pulls
queen drift
They’re pretty strong. Not top 3 strong but definitely higher end
Tbh I don’t think the $1mil / other rewards mean anything for the teams themselves
It’s more a flashy reward for the league
If stage rewards or general rewards meant anything to the teams I don’t think we’d see teams spending 70m+ on stadiums, 8m+ on training facilities
The money they make is behind the scenes
Pretty sure the only incentive for the stage rewards is that the money goes more directly towards the players
outer vapor
Good point
naive lance
regarding dallas winning both games this weekend, do people think its possible that they finish in top 8 this stage or fall short again?
balmy wolf
The swap between rCk and NotE was definitely worth it, as Boston only saw his hero pool as a D.Va one-trick to say, but with Dallas' amazing coaching staff, it'll definitely work better for Dallas then Boston as NotE will be able to flex amazingly for the team. (Shown by the 2-1 victory over Paris and NotE playing Orisa to go with OGE's Winston on Paris was a great tank combo) Titans are next, and will just be a match to show their progress and will be an definite upset if Dallas win, which they are capable to do, but I don't think it will happen. The next matches of: Seoul, Valiant, Houston and Florida twice should be easy(ish) wins for Dallas and they should get a strong 5-6th place. Unless they slip up over a weakness I haven't taken account of. @naive lance
The swap was kinda unrelated but its a big reason why they should get top 8
naive lance
yeah that sounds very possible
i reckon thats the most likely path they take this stage
balmy wolf
definitely, and almost everyone can agree with me that Dallas do deserve the confidence to go for it as last season was definitely shocking at first
naive lance
yeah this is a completely different team playing this year both mentally and literally
balmy wolf
would be better to put that in #176236425384034304 but ill pass
i dont see zacaREEE xd doing that much this season but fuel being able to keep aKm was so worth it @naive lance
naive lance
yea agreed, he doesnt bring much to the table, especially since they are playing him on hitscan when they have akm and taimou. If he could show that he can play projectile dps at OWL standard then I would believe in him
balmy wolf
mhm im waiting for him to either be benched or to pop off and show his worth
then again he did save the point with a 4k on tracer it was a good play
naive lance
that brings up the question, if tracer comes back into meta, who's gonna be the fuel's tracer?
It would have to be zacharee
balmy wolf
effect is gone so yep zacharee
ive had a hunch that fuel and effect have been talking for a while about his departure and zacharee was already a replacement months before effect offically resigned
but just my speculation, as effect does need the support, fuel as a professional team still needed to cover that problem
naive lance
@balmy wolf He could come back after being a streamer for a bit, he said he would consider playing professionally again in his official statement so it's possible that the team is just letting him work on his mental state and could pull him back when he feels he's ready/needed
balmy wolf
if that happens ill be happy be realistically its unlikely @naive lance
naive lance
yeah 😦
balmy wolf
hell have to go through a lot of new things and itll take time and fuel might just not bother
naive lance
true
but at the moment they dont have to worry about that anyway because he has been useless the past 2 stages anyway
hybrid helm
Was I the only one who had NO IDEA why Florida played goats vs NYXL yesterday?
They lost with every comp obviously but mirroring goats vs a team that has obviously better goats seemed stupid..
They even survived longer with Orisa comps..
I was especially shocked that they mirrored goats on 2cp
limber pine
Sometimes you just gotta play GOATS
karmic grotto
they should try 5 dps and a lucio
limber pine
Look at chengdu. Even though they have a better triple dps comp, they still gotta play goats sometimes
vernal obsidian
The most valuable OWL players are those that can flex well across characters while maintaining their role.
such as Mano, Ado and Erster to name a few.
hybrid helm
@limber pine “sometimes” Florida barely played anything else.. Chengdu wouldn’t play goats on PARIS vs NYXL lol
Can’t see it happening
Their goats picks vs NYXL was just suicidal lol
limber pine
My point is that “just play something other that GOATS” isn’t always a valid option
karmic grotto
3-3 has it
Defense matrix, Bubble, Shield, Speedboost/Aura heal, Sound Barrier/Trans, Shatter, Grav. Dva bomb, Brig inspire Aura heal and Armor, Zen discord
this comp is just perfect
but still has weakness
hybrid helm
But playing mirror comp vs a team that is obviously 10 times better than you at it is pretty stupid when you’re doing bad but slightly better with off meta comps
limber pine
I'm not sure what the argument is here
It's obvious Florida (and any other team for that matter) is going to play what they think they need to win
for Florida, it was mirror GOATs
but "just play something else" is not a counter-argument
hybrid helm
The argument is that they did better on other comps
And knew they get rolled and stand no chance on mirror goats
I think it’s just their coaching wouldn’t surprise me
pearl stratus
Thats a false positive though. Look at the Houston game - people gave them a lot of shit, me included at the time, that they kept trying to mirror Vancouver. But in retrospect its not the wrong call. You're not Chengdu. You've not been playing these weird comps for a long time (and even then they don't always work, look at Chengdu being 4-0'd by Seoul, Shanghai, etc).
So you need to maximize your scrim time, and effectiveness.
You could fuck around with these weird off-meta comps, and maybe occassionally it will work.
Or you could continue to focus on a comp you know will be run a large majority of the time, and hope to perfect it.
But to expect a team to just flex to a weird comp, on the fly, and be fine?
They'll just lose faster in most situations.
Will it be a better visual for the audience? Probably.
The teams that can manage the flex ones, as well, are teams with very specific rosters.
Look at...
Elsa. Just Elsa alone.
And think about HOW MANY heroes Elsa plays on top of D'va at an insanely high level just to make Chengdu's stuff work.
Is Coolmatt going to be able to whip out a symmetra strat for us?
No.
Torb? Still no.
Sombra? Hey. Once again nope.
So within the confines of their rosters, and their hero pools, the teams do what they need to do and what they think is best. Houston showed being able to flex on the maps where the flex is safer. Not where the flex is already at a disadvantage (which, for the record, is almost every payload map when the other team is playing Goats minus a few specific points on those maps like Rt 66 A, or Eichenwald A)
limber pine
Florida can't even get a 7th player
trim shadow
No one wants to play for florida lol
pearl stratus
There's also some maps where even if you were the best in the world at your off-meta dps comp, you'd lose to a basic goats.
Like Rialto, the land of corners.
pearl stratus
Yeah. Every major choke is corners or overhead.
Or both, prior to first point.
I don't think we'll see Goats get replaced as the dominant comp on that map for a LONG time.
Which is fine, there's lots of other maps.
hidden vault
Well Florida's 7th player SNT
hidden vault
Well he's listed as a player
He isn't the only one that is perma benched
Still according to league standards they have to have 8 players
Wait if Swon gets sick he would definitely play
limber pine
isn't the rule that they just had to have 8 players signed by a certain date?
i don't think they have to maintain a minimum player count
other that 6 obviously
hidden vault
Hmm so it isn't 8 players at all times
limber pine
I'd have to relook at the rules
austere olive
See one of my biggest concerns is the lack of dps in the matches i mean sure we have seen dps in matches but not what season 1 did. Its a shame to not being able to watch dps mains like Pine and Jake get crazy plays
Goats is just really boring to watch cause it's the same thing over and over and over again. How can people do this without being driven to insanity
trim shadow
tviq mcgravy and apply are still on the roster and havent been officially released
sand violet
Literally every single stage of OWL has had a meta that was played over and over
With little to no variety
Only difference is instead of dps it's tanks now
pearl stratus
Also just to throw this out there: even if we do go all dps we won't see the people that people want to see.
Pine is useless, but flashy. But there's literally no reason to ever play him.
The small pool dps from season 1 are already completely outclassed.
If you're an Nyxl fan, for instance, you'll see libero and nenne and the occasional flower.
If they play Washington or Florida - maybe - you'll see pine or sbb
Goats isn't flashy, but it shows you who is or isn't shit real fast. Dps can look a lot better than they are from something flashy but inconsistent.
plucky rune
surefour seems to be in a similar situation
pearl stratus
Surefour is replaced by Decay on everything but widow. Decay is a shit widow.
trim shadow
pine and sbb have probably been working on other dps heros
but libero nenne and flow3r are just more flexible
im probably the only person who wanted to see a pine and sbb trade
maybe pine to hangzhou pine to washington pine to florida fuck somewhere
pearl stratus
Honestly I bet they havent. Keeping specialists isnt completely bad. It's just bad right now.
plucky rune
running surefour just means that they're planning on running widow then
trim shadow
or mei cheese
plucky rune
so why run him if he just forecasts what you're gonna do
pearl stratus
Because it's widow.
And the only straight counter to a widow is geography and a better widow.
plucky rune
you switch your entire comp to counter widow
pearl stratus
Or swapping for the widow.
Which means you don't get to play your game.
It's strategically valuable to make a team play around you.
But either way, everyone wants DPS and flashy and its just..
It's not that meta right now, look at the DPS we do see.
Even in DPS comps its not the flashy ones.
EMP to team wipes isn't flashy, its just good play.
Closest we've seen to flashy has been Paris throwing out the Nano-Blades with SDB.
vernal obsidian
GOATs is boring to watch at times, yes but there's so much teamwork involved which makes it great.
pearl stratus
Goats from bad teams is boring to watch, I think is the big qualifier.
And lots of the OWL teams are not great at it.
But watching like.. Vancouver v. Shock?
That was great to watch.
vernal obsidian
DPS mains are used to carrying but alas, OW now is balanced enough that being great alone is not enough.
That's probably one of the reasons why Dafran left OWL.
He likes being a star and when he can't show off as one, it hurts him.
limber pine
wut
magic birch
who won the battle for LA
hidden vault
Seriously just check www.overwatchleague.com
pearl stratus
@limber pine Just as a funny aside do you realize if GZC go 0-4 on their next game they beat Shanghai Dragons map loss record?
pearl niche
Corey is trapped in elo hell
limber pine
I think it's their next two maps
frail ridge
About goats, I feel like there is a counter to it. I have ran into it and I think it may be bastion orisa and mercy.
hidden vault
Anti goats
limber pine
It's not a bad counter, but you can't really to bunker bastion on Payload or Control
analog lark
Pirate ship on junkertown though
jagged crater
poor ashe, out for 6 months not even used in pro meta at all
Baptiste out for less than a month already decent usage
interesting part is ashe has a decent winrate and pickrate on ladder, despite being the only hero not used at all in pro
who knew ladder and pro can be diff!
balmy wolf
makes sense haha ashe's skill set isnt really viable into any pro play at the moment
solar olive
I'm sure some team at some point will try some combination with her for at least a game
Not saying it'll be soon, but probably eventually lol
quasi jasper
she has potential. could see her be an interesting counter in a 2-2-2 meta for things like pharmacy.
vernal obsidian
Ashe sucks atm because her reload is super slow and Bob only helps contest points.
quasi jasper
her reload is pretty rough.
jagged crater
dare i say crazy
quasi jasper
i feel like it would make her a hell of a lot more viable.
when you think about it, hanzo pumps out damage so quickly and provides intel... why pick ashe over hanzo.
her coach gun could also use more damage.
karmic grotto
coach*
quasi jasper
it is, but i feel like it needs to do more dmg.
vernal obsidian
the trade off should be making her reload faster, her primary and secondary fire slightly less powerful and improve Bob by giving him shields or something.
jagged crater
Fusion Uni and Mayhem Academy can prob beat the florida mayhem and WA justice, do you think?
used to think otherwise but there's basically OWL caliber players in those teams
pearl stratus
Btw on teh Ashe thing.
It's literally just because D'va exists and her ult is trash.
Dynamite eaten = Ashe is useless.
And an OWL D'va can eat dynamite.
trim shadow
Mayhems academy team should be there main team
mild cedar
are there any teams for console lol
swift moth
at the highest levels of most games, console players are worse than computer players however below that they are the same
pearl stratus
Console has its place imo. Fighting games, sports games.
I'd argue both are very much better with console in most situations.
But FPS/RTS? PC is much more accurate.
mild cedar
true, thx for the imput!
balmy wolf
console does have minor leagues actually! @mild cedar
im in a team for a blizzard approved overwatch console tournament and if you win its 500 £/$ so series stuff
want a invite link to the discord?
balmy wolf
np
dreamy cave
Is there any matches today?
balmy wolf
i checked but no
limber pine
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
little silo
might be a clean sweep
but philly is inconsistent
they might just upset NY for no reason
But they could also just completely get smashed
balmy wolf
i dont see phi making any comeback to form until a change happens
nothing new has happen to the team
and theyll falling behind
surprised theyre top 6 when they cant compare to titans nyxl
jagged crater
who drew the chicken for chicken contendies? it's a cute chicken
untold hill
gg
balmy wolf
person responsible for the art i guess, unless someone on the team has an art talent @jagged crater
jagged crater
like i said, it's a cute chicken
last year jeff revealed retribution in OWL
should've done the same for another viewer boost imo
balmy wolf
i agree
swift moth
I expect shock to win the play offs in this stage
phili might make it if they finally free fragi
pearl stratus
I think Shock has a much more solid chance at beating Vancouver if they play their DPS maps properly. They have a more flexible roster.
Especially with Vancouver not having a main tank who can play ball.
So they have to move Bumper to a mediocre dps.
Which makes their DPS comps vulnerable.
balmy wolf
seems viable but titans will have to force shock to play their game of 3-3 vs 3-3 and i just know they will somehow
trim shadow
i think vancouver will just hard run 3-3 knowing that bumper isnt good on ball
balmy wolf
True
trim shadow
if vancouver is looking to win two stages in a row which will be the first in owl history theyll have to hard run 3-3
unless bumper magically picks up hammond
i do believe he is the best rein in leauge right now
above mano
hell even better then fraggi
jagged crater
give panker some love
trim shadow
just realized water is on la legion
and hydration is on the main team
they need to be together
jagged crater
Kephri was water's first foreign friend 
trim shadow
wish it was a dps meta so i can see water play
solar dagger
What has been the best owl meta you jave seen this year?
balmy wolf
more like the only meta
3-3 babyy
jk hammond mercy 4 dps meta is nice to watch
https://forms.gle/tU7YhiQjXrjxsATq6 my seventh grade statistics project
nova wadi
Bumper best rein in the league hmm
nova wadi
U can send me a clip if u want.
But my problem with it is that his support is just absolutely amazing
balmy wolf
pleas only due one
nova wadi
He wouldnt be seen as big otherwise imo
trim shadow
essentially what he did was
he charged muma out of his shield
then shattered the rest of houston
he also charged what was it 5 shatters in that last hold?
trim shadow
i think bumper has evolved from his feeding tendencys and has turn into a top 5 main tank player
for rein his winston is eh and his hammond doesnt exist
balmy wolf
https://forms.gle/tU7YhiQjXrjxsATq6 my seventh grade statistics project
nova wadi
I just wish philly got a good rein player
frosty thorn
Any much older-OW players / OWL fans (like 25+) who are a little bored and willing to hear me spout off a crazy idea that I just have to get off my chest?
balmy wolf
hit me with it
frosty thorn
oh, I have to vet you first !
nova wadi
Yes
Poor fragi honestly
Thats why we still need a good rein tho so carpe isnt a stubborn bish
Sado feeds too much as rein imo
outer cypress
so does fragi
trim shadow
fraggi has a bumper play style
balmy flower
can you earn league tokens watching a rerun on twitch?
balmy wolf
nope
only live
if you cant watch it live i just advise you to have it live on a phone in a room somewhere to earn them
frigid pawn
trim shadow
Why do ppl need a rank base for team recruitment
supple prism
to at least filter out the weak?
trim shadow
Twitter
i also forgot to mention the other reason loosing to the valiant upset me
is how the valiant bull shitted this hard working guy out of a chance at owl
copper oasis
naive lance
oof
balmy wolf
oof
balmy wolf
WE'RE ON PLAYOFFS BABY
balmy wolf
@karmic grotto nah chicken contendies
hidden vault
Leggo coaching for contenders?
trim shadow
Still wanna kno how mayhem academy is better then the actual mayhem
naive lance
i wonder the result of academy vs mayhem, that would be genuinely interesting]
trim shadow
Academy would 4-0
hidden vault
Arhh is it a side job or an actual one?
trim shadow
Do teams even scrim with their academy teams
hidden vault
Most do
Since contenders and league arw on different patches
Contenders who have more experience on a later patch can give insights
And league players who are (supposedly) more mechanical skills and play on a higher level (supposedly too) can also give insights to the contenders team
trim shadow
Are they waiting till end of contenders playoffs to switch patches?
why they dont have a break inbetween to switch patches
I wanna see talent not hard goats
pearl stratus
Teams rarely scrim with their academy teams, its a very different animal of competition.
Also location location location.
Better to go to the arena and scrim on Lan if you can set up the time.
limber pine
it's especially more useful in Season 2 because there's a lot of teams you may or may not play per patch.
in Season 1, you could only scrim the 2 teams per stage you didn't play (without potentially giving away strats)
pearl stratus
Or you just keep scrimming the team you like that you only play once - weighing the benefit of that versus all the teams you play twice.
I.E. Shanghai now.
Having picked up the Shock as a Scrim partner.
Beneficial on both sides.
limber pine
also good
karmic grotto
Titans having nyxl as scrim partner
And we don't know the results of those scrims but I am sure, I want to see titans vs nyxl in playoffs
We all want
Although, Shock isn't bad either but Titans is just better
minor flame
Itll be either one sided or nyxl will adapt better
Shock is comparable on Titans level however Titans is more polished
When it comes to their team execution
pearl stratus
I'd rather scrim Shock than Titans.
Titans is great for Goats scrimming.
Not much else.
Until Bumper can learn Hammond and they can run proper dps comps
pearl stratus
And then the other team goes Goats
And you do...?
Because you have two different players for two different comps main tank you're basically required to play those two mandatory unless you can 100% say you'll never switch off that comp.
limber pine
yeah Bumper can't really come out unless you know 100% that GOATs won't be run
gentle raft
Bumper is good because his healers are amazing if they werent bumper would be useless because his conservative reinhardt
bumper literally knows nothing other than rein
at least thats what ive seen he hasnt played anything else and his coaches havent said anything about him being a zarya prodigy
gentle raft
GOATS is meta on some maps, but unless Titans somehow pull off GOATS on every map theyre really fucked in the long run
The Shock has WAY more at their disposal along with NYXL DPS wise, they're surely overpass the Titans.
minor flame
Its more like unless Titans start adapting
They dont seem like theyll start adapting until goats starts ti become dead
And honestly goats is viable in a dominant fashion in a majority of maps
trim shadow
In the long run the shock look more likely to win the season
But there cocky so
If nyxl stays consistent
The nyxl will win the season
minor flame
I dont get how their cockiness stays as a downfall lol
analog lark
Where isn't goats viable rn in the current map pool.
minor flame
Busan?
trim shadow
Sinatra and super are super cocky
minor flame
So?
trim shadow
Gibraltar to a extent
That cockyness will get eaten up by nyxl
Or any of the mid table teams that are hungry
minor flame
Sinatraa and Super are less cocky than they were last yr but being cocky doesnt mean downfall if you know your limits
The cockiness SF has is not and will not be a downfall to them
If you mean the cockiness theyve been emitting all this season
I mean theyve been currently dominating
So i dont see whats wrong with them being cocky
trim shadow
Easy scheldue so far
Couldve went undefeated stage 1 if they werent getting used to goats
pearl stratus
cockiness is only bad when you stop prepping because of it.
Beyond that you want cocky players, you want people that have that I'm the best mentality.
trim shadow
That was my fear going into that rematch with gz
minor flame
Cockiness is a good morale boost
pearl stratus
If you're not or don't think you can be the best get the fuck off my team.
trim shadow
ah shit theyre gonna underestimate them
But then gz underperformed again
And happy is sick so
minor flame
See you cant underestimate GZC because GZC is the one lacking
Their focus is awful honestly
Even with the hard schedule they have they still have such fundamental problems
pearl stratus
GZC is 2 maps away from beating Shanghai's record.
trim shadow
Wanna explain that defense on rialto from sfs in the finals
minor flame
Snowball
pearl stratus
If they lose the first two maps of their match with Hangzhou they have the longest losing map streak.
minor flame
Honestly
Spark is the best shot they have for an actual ein
But spark has actually been looking better
pearl stratus
Yeah but they can't reverses weep.
minor flame
With Krystal
trim shadow
Gz plays hangzhou this week
pearl stratus
If they go down 0-2 they still steal the record.
trim shadow
Thats a easy 3-2 match up could go both ways
pearl stratus
Even going down 0-1 tehy tie it.
trim shadow
If happy comes back
minor flame
Spark might actually start improving
More and faster than charge at this rate
They still have communication problems but
Their individual talent is insane
trim shadow
Guxue and idk came in clutch tbf
trim shadow
Its funny boston was reverse sweeping everyone
And then hangzhou did 0%-100% in a row twice
pearl stratus
mint flower
Oh shit I hear YXL is suspended for a month for slur usage
pearl stratus
No.
Suspending him was easy.
They literally took away his entire second stage salary, and all bonuses.
Full month salary + bonuses, and if it happens again the punishment is doubled.
So at base minimum salary the Chengdu organization fined him $4200 off the bat, not counting any bonuses.
round obsidian
Anyone got the clip of what he said?
That clip from Aspen’s stream is not him and people are spreading it as the actual incident
pearl stratus
The only thing I've seen is that he jokingly referred to Aspen as Ameng's second wife.
But yeah the Aspen clip is 100% not him.
That's just people being all racist and confusing korean and chinese folks 😛
Actually yeah.
Thats the entirety of the story.
Ameng and YXL were queued, he said Aspen was Amengs second wife and ran with the joke a bit. Looked really bad in publicity in China this is the response.
In fact Aspen thought it was SBB.
Which makes it more funny.
http://ngabbs.com/read.php?tid=16970101&rand=354 more or less.
So yeah tl;dr: YXL joked that Aspen was going to Ameng's second wife, general disrespect but nothing too crazy. Bad PR from Mainland China, YXL fined a months pay and all bonuses.
There you go, now stop people from spreading misinformation 😛
God I need something to do at work lmao
sullen berry
this was a red herring from the start
taken out of context, someone here is reportable
pearl stratus
I mean the subreddit is at fault.
For keeping that clip up with his name attached to it.
sullen berry
I kind of expect the person clipping this with the WhoRu battletag being misappropriated for YXL has caused Chengdu more headache
https://www.twitch.tv/aspen/clip/PoorRichClipsmomRlyTho?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time
pearl stratus
Nah Chengdu handled it like pros.
They denied it like... instantly.
Just flat out "Thats not YXL. This is a separate incident altogether."
sullen berry
sounds like an average day as a streamer tbh, chengdu's response was reasonable
pearl stratus
I actually think Chengdu's response was heavy handed.
Since really the whole joke was "You're going to be Ameng's second wife" and they fined him a full month. But main PR from China was really bad for it.
So I get it.
sullen berry
Chengdu: but for posterity, we did tell him not to be a dick online and gave him a fine
Well if it develops from here, I'll be interested. Looks like it has died down pretty quickly
pearl stratus
I doubt it will go anywhere, it was an innocent comment meant as a joke.
That could be taken in a harassment way, so they fined him.
Props to Ameng though.
Dude apologized like...
Instantly for YXL.
Yottachad.
round obsidian
It’s just an unfortunate coincidence that aspen encountered that super homophobic dude and that clip got popular at the same time as this incident
People confusing the two
Also she probably thought it was sbb because of the whole “wife” reference, sbb’s wife is almost as famous as him
But damn that’s a huge blow to YXL’s bank account
pearl stratus
I'm thinking a chunk of it is RUI.
He's never struck me as the kind of person to deal with this stuff.
And might have just gone full atomic blast so no one else even thinks about it.
Because the next person who says stupid shit gets fined for two months pay.
It's an aggressive tactic, but it works
Especially since all you're really saying is "Don't be a dick online."
Not worth making China look bad, since they're realistically the only chinese team.
minor flame
didnt YXL try to say Aspen was Amengs second fav waifu?
or like just AMengs second wife
the latter sounds
odd
and can be disturbing I guess but I don't really see any malice in that joke
at best its just innocent ignorance
karmic grotto
I guess that's what he meant
pearl stratus
I don't think anyone really thinks there was malice at all.
trim shadow
What did yxl say?
karmic grotto
as another person comment in subreddit
pearl stratus
But you also have to remember its China, and they don't do bad PR well. So its easier to set an example with it, and make it big enough it stops everyone else.
karmic grotto
China lmao
minor flame
YXL said
pearl stratus
So she's underage, its a little creepy, and PR from China was negative on it.
minor flame
to Aspen
trim shadow
So yxl is banned for trolling
pearl stratus
Thus, this.
minor flame
"You are Ameng's second fav waifu"
pearl stratus
No, he got fined. He's not banned.
minor flame
or like second wife
trim shadow
It litterally sounds like trolling
minor flame
which is mildly disturbing at best
pearl stratus
I mean she's 17, so its a bit creepy.
trim shadow
Nate and blizzard dont know how to handle misconduct
pearl stratus
Rusha.
pearl stratus
And nothing else will happen from Chengdu in the future.
trim shadow
My bad my bad
pearl stratus
So its over.
pearl stratus
Harsh for other people, yes.
trim shadow
Cant deny that nate and blizzard dont know how to handle mis conduct
pearl stratus
Harsh from a Chinese public perception, etc?
No.
Thats about in line with how they handle that stuff.
trim shadow
Like banning xqc for saying suck a dick versur muma going on a full homo rant
minor flame
I mean youre trying to protect your image from all investors in a place thats so toxic and non ad friendly
pearl stratus
You mean fining him?
Because Dallas is the one who banned him from playing.
Blizzard fined him $2k, and that was it.
minor flame
xQc was a big controversial figure and I seriously doubt that his attitude would convince investors on OWL
pearl stratus
Also Blizzard didn't suspend him for that
Dallas did.
People just have their heads up their asses.
And don't actually learn things 😛
minor flame
for a newborn league to get in a pedo scandal and controversial stream drama
it was a bit rough
pearl stratus
Well, let me correct.
Blizzard gave him a 4 game. Dallas extended it to the entire stage.
Blizzards punishment was perfectly fair. Two weeks.
Dallas extended it to an entire stage
Because he was a monster tard.
trim shadow
Now the dream situation was weird
minor flame
he is a monster tard but a whole stage just to have OGE suddenly take your place
trim shadow
Cause wasnt dream like 18 19?
pearl stratus
Also, for the most part all the punishments have been in line.
minor flame
hes like 20 no?
pearl stratus
First general offense is a $1k fine, second offense is a 2k fine and 4 game suspension.
Hasn't really varied from that.
trim shadow
Probably today but i thought he was younger
The girl was like 13 or 14?
Pedo laws are weird
pearl stratus
Eh it got handled properly either way.
Boston said nothing till they made their decision. It was quick, succinct and over.
Worse thing you can do is feed into drama in a situation like that.
minor flame
I read dreams texts to those girls and it felt like mild pedo but yeah
trim shadow
I think dream tarnished bostons reputation among casuals like me but then again dream and striker were the best parts of boston
minor flame
I think dealing with it quickly like Boston did was the best solution
trim shadow
Irs like boston is the city of controversy
pearl stratus
It's not their job to deal with context or argue it. They read it, made a decision and called it a day.
pearl stratus
If there was one thing the Kraft org does is handle shit well, lol
trim shadow
Happens in modern sports alot now a days
Drugs getting caught with a underage liar
Yes underage liar
Car crashes domestic violence etc
tawny sigil
how many players use beta blockers?
queen drift
Beta blockers?