Yup that's it only kellex
#esports-discussion
hidden vault
Yeah and why get another flex support with yiu have aim god?
fast basin
he's an Aim god
hidden vault
Gamsu traded stirker neko got released
fast basin
fast basin
trade all of your good players, who needs wins anyway? 
queen drift
trade implies they got something out of it
they outright released a few of their players
hidden vault
Wait for it
Next would be kellex
I feel it
And why get Persia when you have aim god
queen drift
cash trades arent public
which is what i imagine happened with rck too
rck + x amount
fast basin
STriker wasn't even traded
queen drift
for note
fast basin
just went
hidden vault
Nothing
They just released him
Him and neko
I get that huk has an issue with the bith if them
night tusk
neko was released aswell ?
fast basin
Huk is Meh
mint flower
whats rcks actual nationality?
fast basin
Finnished with the Dallas fuewl
mint flower
ah
hidden vault
Couldn't find anything on neko
But he was released
Boston didn't even bother to delicate a post to neko gamsu and striker
hexed jay
north tendon
babybay in reign
now thats interesting lol
I dont get why dallas would trade rck
he looked like their carry tbh
clutch sombra plays
supple prism
NotE to fuel?
supple prism
because boston doesnt want wins
trim shadow
Its a very suprising trade considering rck didnt do@bad
And note carried
Note aimgod and fusions
slow walrus
Dallas might want to orbit away from sombra goats, or might have more confidence on note's other heroes in the case that it's a dps meta coming up
trim shadow
Theyre probably going for tradtional goats
Since sombra goats fucked em for there chance at stage playoffs
slow walrus
I mean
the sombra goats that Seoul ran occasionally and in/around against NYXL arguably won them the game
because NYXL couldn't play defensive into sombra goats, they had to go aggressive and that different playstyle is NOT their forte
sullen berry
@limber pine were they in such a hurry or it is literally spelt baemoN ? #esports-news
sullen berry
Oh now that would explain the misconceptions being called DaemoN
solar trout
What even the hell
NotE got traded
pearl stratus
@mint flower Just Neko and Striker, from all accounts. Depends which sources you go to, but Striker apparently used to throw hissy fits and break shit in the practice room, and Neko was a cunt.
balmy wolf
I dont feel so good...
mint flower
@pearl stratus I haven't heard anything about neko, despite what everyones been saying, but I do recall striker breaking keyboards and headsets
vale pond
oof
pearl stratus
Neko runs his mouth, is an ardent anti-female figure (has been, apex things, etc).
He's basically an argumentative incel.
vale pond
oof
solar trout
By all means I like note more than rck, but this seems kinda dumb of boston to let note go
pearl stratus
Unless NotE didn't want to stay on Boston.
At which point its better to let him go for value than watch him deteriorate.
night tusk
Paris Enternal head coach released..
pearl stratus
I mean if you're an EU team
And you play like they did in stage 1.
I'd fire the coach too.
From EU. Can't play Goats.
night tusk
there can be a chance he left the team
pearl stratus
I mean either way business speak for shitcanned.
You can let someone go politely after firing them to not ruin their chances.
night tusk
also one coach of defiant and justice (ass coach)
mint flower
nekos anti female? dafuq?
pearl stratus
More anti-feminist than anti-female, but he was a huge shitfuck about it with... Kalios? I believe.
trim shadow
Seeing dafran warmed my heart
Play paladins*
Keep waking up my som
Miles better game
mint flower
where did he express this?
pearl stratus
You can google it with Kalios.
mint flower
did he just say a ton of fucked up shit on twitter or something??
pearl stratus
But know that it also has different cultural conceptions because feminism here isn't the same as korea, etc.
pearl stratus
But he basically told Kalios they couldn't be friends when Kalios expressed he might be a feminist and posted a video his girlfriend linked.
night tusk
Trans?
solar trout
To be fair, modern feminism can get pretty dumb
At a certain point it gets less about equality and more about supremacy.
pearl stratus
Modern everything is pretty dumb.
solar trout
true
pearl stratus
Take literally and child born post 1995.
supple prism
the weak
night tusk
I wonder if Danye gets playtime
hidden vault
Why did they choose to relaese all the info today
night tusk
i'm sure because before would be confused with april fools
and maybe
all teams are allowed to release info today
trim shadow
@pearl stratus idk why anyone would wanna stay in boston when they start performing and are sold for the highest price
And have the minimum contract
Also boston got the short end cause rck is a meh dva
night tusk
mint flower
its the yottachad himself
supple prism
why include muma and janus
night tusk
muma is playing hammond aswell and I guess because Akshon could interview them
night tusk
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
night tusk
any predictions ?
hardy glade
whats up!
minor flame
NYE 3-1/2 PHI
GLA 3-1 SHD
LDN 3-1 FLA
SFS 4-0 VAL
PHI 4-0 FLA
NYE 3-1 SHD
SFS 3-2 GZC
VAN 4-0 HZS
fathom acorn
I saw someone saying paladins is good
Point to the object of ridicule
So I may ridicule them
night tusk
well Shanghai looks insane, and there are maps like junkertown
diem is insane in widow
fathom acorn
Beating the best team in the league
Though with patch changes/a more DPS heavy map pool maybe
fathom acorn
It was a bad meta for them
night tusk
last point vs shanghai
profit insane on tracer hanzo
but diem / dding insane aswell
minor flame
Guard is
fathom acorn
Cause early in the season he was like the best
minor flame
not very good
night tusk
Guard is maybe stronger for goats
night tusk
they need birdring for dps comp
fathom acorn
Birdring would’ve been better for last point
But unfortunately he quit
To pursue his true passion
night tusk
even if goats will be played alot, maps like junkertown (paris aswell?) will force other comps atleast
fathom acorn
night tusk
fathom acorn
Definitely
There have been very conflicting reports about scrims
Some say goats is still op meta
Some say it’s meh
Some say it’s ded
minor flame
i assume goats still has
night tusk
he mentioned winston goats is stronger now
fathom acorn
I watched aspen stream nearly full hold first point of Kings row against a goats
Which is impressive cause that’s a pretty goatsy map
night tusk
but what I can mention is
no one really predicted a meta comp
so maybe if hunters for example
win every game
maybe that is meta
minor flame
more teams should be like chengdu
but theyre too scared to do it
like do it
bitches
night tusk
nah, I understand it lol
it's to risky,
and if you fail, you get hate and blame (chance of losing your job)
fathom acorn
London could probably pull it off
Considering they have 2 of the best DPS players in the league
Profit probably being the best in the league
night tusk
but than is the question how good gesture hammond is
hunters have no winston player (in LA) and their other main tank is in visa hell
fathom acorn
US: don’t come illegally
Also US: the legal system is difficult and congested as fuck
night tusk
also it's not like teams not trying
night tusk
I heard that in scrims teams like shanghai tries it but it sucks, so you wont try it for a actual match ofcourse
yeah indeed
hunters still got 2 in visa hell ;/
night tusk
FeelsBadMan
minor flame
first Krystal might get traded doesnt play for a stage
and now Yang and Jiqiren doesnt even get in US
night tusk
It's impressive how hunters peform with not full roster, not playing meta and full chinese team
Also some came from PUBG
Some do believe their close match vs titans was just because Titans did not really prepare/care about that match. Not sure if I agree
supple prism
against hunters? no its more of that titans were getting annoyed and it started to negatively impact their game
trim shadow
Paris head coach just step down
night tusk
Yep
trim shadow
He knew stage 2 would be harder
night tusk
You would think stage 1 would be the best stage for Paris
trim shadow
inb4 paris signs a korean
queen drift
Toronto also released their coach
night tusk
But he was in Valiant, not like they did better
queen drift
Which was unexpected
night tusk
Toronto and DC released assistant coach
trim shadow
It was there strategy coach
Even tho whats the stratergy to goats
target this guy this match
target this guy
queen drift
Goats is one of the most strategic comps we’ve seen
Why people don’t like goats isn’t because it’s not strategic
It’s because it’s mechanically not very challenging, and by now it’s stale
In terms of strategy I don’t think we’ve seen a smarter, more thought out and potential difference in terms of strats
night tusk
I don't really like goats because for example a 4k with dva bomb is not that cool when team is in grav for example
But to see sayaplayer have 4 headshot kills in a row looks dope
Or sbb on tracer popping off
queen drift
Agree
trim shadow
Goats to laymans is who can ult better and position better
queen drift
Which at this level requires an insane amount of gamesense and strategy
And ‘who can ult better and position better’ is 90% of team comps in ow
queen drift
I personally hate goats
But you can’t argue how at the top levels it’s insanely complicated and strat heavy
night tusk
I don't mind to have it for one stage, we can see who is good and bad with this meta but let dps players now play dps lol
trim shadow
Also looks good when everyone plays a single hero and we can see proper stats
night tusk
I watch sayaplayer and sbb stream this week and it looks so fun to see them pop off
queen drift
Goats is proper strats, tho. Goats is the optimal strat
minor flame
Goats isnt as flashy or visible as dive is
queen drift
Don’t get me wrong I’m a Tracer / Widow main and I love dive
minor flame
but theres alot of little things you have to connect together
that makes goats very complex
queen drift
But dive is small brain compared to goats
trim shadow
Id fire my coach if hes still running goats and we have a oppurtunity to make a new meta
night tusk
I'm a main tank player but still want to see ryujehong on ana and dps player to play dps
queen drift
And that’s why you’re not in charge of anything
night tusk
Lol
minor flame
trying new variety like dive and what chengdu is doing is like
really skilled and all
but goats is very
high elo
queen drift
Goats is just optimal
queen drift
Thats all this stuff is at this leve
trim shadow
Now chengdus coach should get a raise for not seling out
queen drift
If something gives a 1% advantage you play it
minor flame
it would be nice to ahve teams try something actually new to counteract goat comps
night tusk
We will see soon what happend
minor flame
but they dont really wanna play that way
theyd rather play safe and go with goats as it is
queen drift
Agree beani but until recently there wasn’t really a solid counter to goats
balmy wolf
did important people get traded today? I just head baby got traded to Atlanta
queen drift
Pharah was never really a good counter to goats, she gets fucked by dva Ana
And sombra is just called ‘sombra goats’
😦
balmy wolf
Ana mostly never got played in goats; even against pharah I'm pretty sure
trim shadow
Ana has no mobility
balmy wolf
who is Cocco again? I don't remember
trim shadow
Shes basically a 2nd reinhardt
minor flame
Cocco is the Envyus core main tank for Fuel
queen drift
Ana goats is a popular comp
night tusk
Pharah is a good counter for goats on maps like junkertown (example world cup how team UK got countered)
queen drift
Ye because they don’t play pharah
balmy wolf
it was never the dominant goats tho cause everyone defaulted to zen goats
queen drift
This is what I mean
minor flame
certain maps though
ana doesnt mean shit against pharah
like you seen in Nepal
Chengdu went Pharah
Dogman went ana
queen drift
You default to Sen goats because Pharah gets fucked by Ana goats
minor flame
dogman got shat on
queen drift
Goats, floats, Ana goats and sombra goats are the most popular
queen drift
None until now, now probably Hammond quad dps
balmy wolf
i'd say the hammond comps are very map based
just like how goats should have been but weren't
queen drift
Agree but it works on more maps than it doesn’t iirc
minor flame
with goats being weaker
dive should be more viable in more maps
and hammond should too
queen drift
Yes and no, brig as a hero in general counters dive
balmy wolf
Did you guys see jayne talking about the potential of quad support with rein and zarya?
queen drift
Goats will probably transition into anti dive
night tusk
Baptiste is so new for comp. People don't try comps really on PTR so we could still see something new
balmy wolf
Zen, Baptiste, Lucio, Brig, Rein, Zarya
night tusk
What happend to symmetra bastion orisa comp?
minor flame
bunker can be popular in owl
queen drift
Situational
minor flame
with baptiste existing
balmy wolf
I heard this comp from Jayne and was like "Wow that sounds broken; Wait; Ana exists"
minor flame
bunker has alot of potential like bastion
but it can be easily counteracted
like when Seoul almost full held with Bastion bunker
on R66
queen drift
Gotta Keep in mind tho
Results from an unexpected comp don’t always say it’s a good comp
balmy wolf
I want to see Jayne's idea of quad Support being run, and then be immediately taken down by the pro Ana players because that makes me happy to see Ana in higher tier play
queen drift
A lot of the times teams just haven’t been prepped for it
balmy wolf
Idk how to feel about blizzard dropping everyone in a new meta all at once with little prep time to the pro scene
night tusk
I remember when lucio ana was meta and than lunatic hai played zen lucio on attack and then suddenly every team played zen on attack and ana on defense
queen drift
Hip
vagrant cargo
🦀 french nepotism is gone 🦀
minor flame
WizardHyeong fired
limber pine
nah
fast ember
Can't wait for a stage full of Winston goats
vale pond
it will be 60% goats for now
will fall to like 40% later
Hot take meta changes arent instant
fast ember
I think we'll see a lot of goats on offense still
Winston goats just has the dive-goats hybrid aspect to it that allows it to kinda crap on unprepared dps comps
mint flower
And what about jiqiren
balmy wolf
jagged crater
wonder what mickie's gonna do
who's more likely to play again? taimou or harryhook?
slow walrus
as long as goats is meta probably not taimou
I'd expect they sub in harry since quad heals might be a thing
idk
balmy wolf
minor flame
Lmaoooo
limber pine
lul
jagged crater
Crazy heals
mint flower
So he takes coccos role?
mint flower
Did he ever play professionally
balmy wolf
mint flower
Just saw that
So ashers in now?
@minor flame Stellar was their brig in goats
The zen player before neko was aid
balmy wolf
Twitter
mint flower
is he taking a break or retiring?
trim shadow
What..what am i seeing
Ok todays to heavy
Daemon...LEAVES PARIS...for dallis after cocco retires
stellar retires
And fahzix retires
Sorry quitting*
Daemons a traitor lmao
supple prism
Is he quitting?
trim shadow
Who daemon? No he left paris after trying to make it a eu super team
realized it wont work
Jumped ship went togo coach a diverse team
mint flower
i think he meant fahzix
supple prism
Yea
trim shadow
Stellar and fahzix ill give a little more leway to cause they grinded contenders
supple prism
It's kinda vague
mint flower
yeah that was a dick move from daemon
trim shadow
But retire is saved for ppl who do a. Full season
Daemon is a dick lmao
A massive dick
mint flower
so between stage 1 and 2
rck and note trade
atlanta signs babybay
daemon leaves for fuel
cocco retires
stellar quits
fahzix quits
boston signs persia
missing anything?
mint flower
lmao
minor flame
This is spicy
But no top tier ppl have been traded yet
So its missing alotta sauce
mint flower
I think the note rck one could be debated
mint flower
depends how highly u think of note
minor flame
Hes like mid-top
mint flower
fair enough
copper solstice
its gonna be weird without seeing note on boston for the first week of the second stage though
trim shadow
Note is almost on the same level with space for landing dva bombs
Not actuall raw dva play
mint flower
note in a fuel jersey sounds weird to me
balmy wolf
mint flower
i doubt he'll replace daco
trim shadow
Nani?
So out of the expansion teams
casores is the most aggresive coach in trades
Funnyastro
Bero
Babybay
Frd
mint flower
bero?
mint flower
oh ok
trim shadow
And babybay and frd for the main team
Alright time to move my boys up in the rankings
Ive gotten over my dafran salt trip
trim shadow
Or has certain maps hes good on
trim shadow
Like control or 2cp
limber pine
WHAT IS HAPPENING
trim shadow
Babybay is either taking ersters place or erster cause nlaeer cant be loosing his spot
limber pine
yes
trim shadow
Babybay is a world class widow right?
night tusk
so the head coach of paris is now with dallas ?
night tusk
anything else today lol
trim shadow
Yes hes a sell out
night tusk
loool
trim shadow
Oh fuck paris is about to have a terrible stage 2 time to go ring the dallas front office
pearl stratus
@minor flame Right now he'd replace in all aspects. Nlaaer hasn't played a single decent round.
minor flame
so Babybay can replace Nlaeer or Erster
Im betting on Nlaeer first
Erster I dont think he has a
really bad performance on brig
not like I notice him much
pearl stratus
Nlaaer.
Erster was always the best dps on Atlanta.
Erster also is a ridiculously good Zarya.
Better than Dafran, since Dafrans was pretty mid-level.
But he could play Brig, Dafran couldn't.\
minor flame
you think Babybay plays Brig then and then Erster replaces Nlaeer?
or will they just simply replace Nlaeer with Babyaby
pearl stratus
No, most likely Babybay will retain the Zarya spot, I'd guess.
Hitscan tendencies, etc.
trim shadow
Like how were ignoring a possibility at a new meta
pearl stratus
I'm not retarded enough to get all meta downs,
You can go for it though.
Bumblebee bunker dive goats. Don't really care. We'll get more metas when we see them.
spring heath
wha
supple prism
The hell is bumblebee
vale pond
atlanta is decent again with babybay
prob like 7-8th seed
they’ll be fine in dps meta anyways
trim shadow
9th
Nlaeer is unproven
And when pokpo and daco gets shut down
We forget how to play overwatch
Probably why we picked up frd
vale pond
daco is fine
pokpo is the issue
they should've picked up a better maintank
also idk if nlaeer will see play
mint flower
can u specify what the issue with pokpo is?
not that I don't agree
vale pond
honestly
mint flower
pokpos play has always looked...off
vale pond
he gets caught out a lot
he seems out of step with the rest of the team
he always dies first in the fights
idk if its comms or what
but he is on another level positioning wise and not in a good way
trim shadow
They picked up pokpo cause he had synergy with daco
It could miscommunication with the rest of the team
jagged crater
come back dafran, i need more popoff interviews
balmy wolf
jagged crater
love chengdu memes
trim shadow
so to break that article down
uprising and the valiant agreed to terms
at first boston didnt like ksf had a starting salary that got removed and things were set in motion
jagged crater
everyone's thinkin ameng is going to dominate cuz of the ball buff
trim shadow
somehow envy the dallas academy got word of the trade and ended up public
jagged crater
here's me thinkin, what if another ball player rises up cuz of the buff?
trim shadow
through a valiant staff member
this led to the players finding out and the teams broke it to them
at that point the contracts were signed and ready togo through
on the day of trade the valiant started to back out and ended up breaking a agreement to pay compensation to boston
also it was a 4 man trade
ksf and fate to boston Fusions and Asking the boston academys dps player
the deal i guess started to break down once asking started to loose form
and also us community responded badily to it
i didnt even know asking was apart of the trade
supple prism
Asking started to loose form?
trim shadow
so valiant probably lost interest in asking because the boston academy started to look like shit
so they backed out completely and didnt pay boston compensation for backing out
supple prism
Oh, Atlanta picked up frd
trim shadow
i could see why valiant woudlve traded this way but its really scummy to back out the day the trade is supposed to be finalized
also there was discontent in the valiant house and moon got fired
and boston had a little bit of discontent as well
this is gonna fuck the morale of both teams
supple prism
But why trade away fusions in the first place
pearl stratus
Because he's only useful in a meta where you have one tank.
trim shadow
his rein play
pearl stratus
Because he plays the rest like shit.
supple prism
Hmm
trim shadow
he was basically leading boston and valiant needed that cause fate isnt good at rein
pearl stratus
Fate's fine at Rein.
They wanted to get rid of Fate because of the internal issues
Not hero pool.
trim shadow
asking was probably a budget pick up for valiant since ksf is also not that good either
pearl stratus
You'd keep Fate for Winston/Hammond/Orissa, either way.
trim shadow
and also yea custa and fate dont get along aparently
pearl stratus
Assuming the meta will, no matter when, eventually shift.
Fusions literally only plays Rein really well.
His Winston is meh, his orissa is meh.
It was a bad trade for VAL either way.
trim shadow
not a muma where he can play all three at a decent level
i think moon getting fired also derailed it
pearl stratus
To be honest it looks more like they were rushing to fix issues with a trade.
And then realized they were rushing into a bad trade for it.
supple prism
I dont keep track of who's good at what
pearl stratus
If you need a new main tank look to Philly, try and trade for Beasthalo.
Or try and trade for Panker from LAG Academy.
Don't overtrade for Fusions.
Or, judging by what we've seen shift, swap Kuki back to tank.
Kuki was never a terrible tank.
supple prism
I need to learn Winstons ult
pearl stratus
It's more the melee tech of it thats the big learning curve. The rests not too hard.
supple prism
The juggling
trim shadow
the community said it was a bad trade so
supple prism
And just generally being able to smack people in the intended direction
trim shadow
it was revealed asking was in the deal so i thought
why the hell are they trading away a good winston for a rein in a possible meta shift?
supple prism
So whats with fate and custa
trim shadow
probably bad communication not friends or have argued in scrims maybe
custa doesnt look like the arguing type
we just know they dont get along
its like carpe not liking fraggis rein play style
i lowkey think fate for fraggi is a reasonable trade
supple prism
So Atlanta got this frd guy now, what is he for.
trim shadow
probably a sub for daco or a he can rotate with daco
but gator is still 2 way so most likely a sub
jagged crater
fusions biggest weakness , prob lost his voice :()
balmy wolf
i hate sport
trim shadow
so atlanta could potentially go
pokpo daco frd masaa dogman/kodak and babybay on brig
cause frd apperantly is a amazing zarya
iif goats is still around
atlanta is better prepaired
verbal roost
today is first day of stage 2?
trim shadow
tommorow
verbal roost
Oh ok thank you
hidden vault
Nooo where's babybay on zarya?
trim shadow
cause frd is a off tank and the atl discord says one of his speciaties is zarya
mint flower
Is it true that frd is short for fried?
trim shadow
sounds like it from the atl discord
mint flower
one of his aliases is friedwiener
and another is frdwnr
so I'm assuming frd is short for fried
and the tweet atlanta made references the word, which I'd say confirms it
vale pond
oof
I'm sure babybay will see play on non goats maps
goats will be 90-100% on a few maps like kings row and will see far less play on other maps
like koth
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
mint flower
yep
night tusk
Defiant need to add a new player because OWL teams are forced to have 8 players
night tusk
not like that but
like they have a certain time to find another player
like in 2 weeks
I think the rule of having 8 players was because of if someone can't play the game won't be cancelled (for example illness but even bigger stuff can happen)
placid bone
sullen berry
But you know
For an underdog status
They make some questionable decisions to up their game
The original members of the squad have been traded or left without prior notice before the official twitter post
And who do the have left of the original squad, Kellex?
night tusk
Kellex atleast plays
Unlike dallas original squad
I think boston is kinda cool, I can see why someone support a team besides mayhem (if not home place) why do you want to support mayhem xd
mint flower
can we get an F for that infamous undefeated stage 3 boston roster?
night tusk
They could not do it without dreamkazper
Like dallas stage 4 peformance was not possible without effect
And ATL reign without Dafran this season
to be fair, I did not expect Mistakes to be released and not signed again for S2
mint flower
Dreamkazper dreamkazper dreamkazper...
smh
I've said this before, but I really liked Dreamkazper before all the drama
night tusk
I only knew him short before the drama
mint flower
His pharah was entertaining to watch
trim shadow
mint flower
that play on oasis against philly is the clip that pops into my head when think of him
night tusk
I'm one of the few who see it's just a mistake and sure it won't be repeated. Ofcourse still deserved to be punished. Sadly never been able to play because to much fan hate
But Fusion is pretty good in boston now
whole root
Note got signed to Dallas right? IF so I feel bad for RCK
hidden vault
Seriously boston and san francisco trading note and babybay away is trading the original team away
whole root
I really thought RCK outdid himself this stage, Note was mehh to me
hidden vault
You are gonna lose fans like that
whole root
Babybay finally going to have some play time on a team that doesn't have 5 dps
hidden vault
No more die hard fans
I would trade rascal away tbh
Sorry buddy
I'll trade him to say LaV
Ok just LaV
whole root
He's really mehh imo right now
It's not like brig is high skill cap hero or anything, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can play brig
hidden vault
Rascal?
queen drift
Dafran did quit, NotE isnt gone he's been traded to Dallas
tawny sigil
wasn't for him i guess
hidden vault
@night tusk what are you talking?
I guess I would assume you are trolling
Dkpz got relaesed after a few matches
And effect was on break
whole root
I legit thought that was a joke from ALT
hidden vault
Dafran is gonna leave sooner or later
It's no surprise
Though 1 stage was abit short
whole root
Doesn't seem like he has the mentality to be a pro
hidden vault
And I assume you were talking about rascal just now?
whole root
He'd rather do it for the fame than to actually compete
hidden vault
A few brain cells?
whole root
Oh no, I didn't say rascal only has a few brain cells, I'm just saying brig isn't that hard to play
I mean the guy can definitely flex, but it's just not the right meta
queen drift
yea but its not the right meta for about half the players in the league
picking out rascal is a bit weird
whole root
I mean we were just talking about rascal, but yeah some of the top tier dps players are just sitting on their asses jerking off right now
queen drift
id argue rascal is top tier tbh
desert vale
does anyone here play college e-sports?
whole root
I feel like he's kinda like silkthread, granted that he's more talented than silkthread, he just never had the chance to prove himself
queen drift
Rascal is Libero-Lite
his ability isnt really in his mechanical skill on any individual hero
but hes extremely flexible
whole root
And stage 1 was just all sinatraa, maybe rascal didn't get enough recognition for not doing big boy damage, but I can't deny that he's extremely good
This meta is just incredibly stale
queen drift
individual players dont really stand out in goats
only, arguably, Zarya and Zen
Rein and Dva do sometimes but its almost always the same thing
whole root
Zen is a weird hero, with good positioning he can literally kamikaze the entire enemy team without breaking a sweat, but you take a step too far and you're literally just digging your own grave
hidden vault
Rascal's strength is in his sombra and mei
As a flex dps he is best at setting up ganks
whole root
Yeah he was one of the first sombra players
Too bad he can't flex to sombra since he's on brig
night tusk
@hidden vault people were like boston would fail without dreamkazper before winning every stage match and same about dallas without effect on stage 4, now people are afraid about ATL without dafran
whole root
Which means they have to commit to sombra goats, I don't think that's the direction they want o go with
@night tusk Agree, I'm glad effect is irrelevant right now and AKM is popping off
night tusk
I like Effect but OWL s1 show that teams can win without their star player
Or show who the real star player is, its how you want to look at it
whole root
Granted that S1 Fuel was a shitshow, I don't think Effect played to the best of his abilities, his Tracer didn't stand out to me
night tusk
I don't think Effect did poorly, more from Kyky and intern problems.
And main tank ofcourse
whole root
Yeah, good point, I wonder where's coco now
night tusk
I guess he just gonna play some other games soon
whole root
Probably apex
You can really see the teams perfecting goats, I remember at worlds team were getting brig stunned into shatter left and right, now you hardly ever see anyone landing a good shatter
whole root
Ahhh I see, excuse me then
night tusk
You had to waste bubble to prevent it now you can save it for dva bomb
If goats is still meta I wonder if Babybay can take the Zarya role or not
whole root
Yeah definitely Zarya, Dafran was really good at Zar but his gravs were a little lackluster to me
Nowhere near the Nenne's grav doe lul
night tusk
Like ATL say, if they don't know what they are doing, the enemy team won't know it aswell lol
But ATL had the easiest way to the playoffs so wonder how good they actually are
Besides Defiant they won from low tier teams
whole root
What do you mean by that
night tusk
They won from Mayhem, Defiant, Outlaws to get to the playoffs. Would they make it if they had some stronger teams like them
whole root
Ohh ok I see
Outlaws man
They have one of the best Sombra
Still shit the bed
I blame Rawkus
night tusk
Some say that it's not their meta but what it is? Lol. Dive is also not their best comp. Even with danteh now. Or Arhan can show his genji maybe again
!schedule
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Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
whole root
Thank you, holy shit
These fangirls need to get their shit straight
They're just not that good
hidden vault
@night tusk ok I see what you mean
Arhan should be traded off
He's not a team fit
night tusk
Arhan is just signed so Tairong have a korean friend in LA
I'm sure about that lol. They needed a tracer player but sign Arhan
sand violet
Not surprising they're a mediocre team when they have a mediocre roster
hidden vault
Then trade both Tairong and Arhan off lmao
Signing a player for a friend is a waste of resources
mint flower
btw is krystal trade is up or not?
mint flower
what I meant was more "Has it been cancelled or not?"
minor flame
not confirmed
trim shadow
Probably failed like the valiant one since its the day before stage 2
supple prism
watching the OWL analysts play together, they got backcapped.
nova wadi
poor asking ngl
sullen berry
Twitter
imagine celebrating your arrival in the US and not getting homesick from day one
with the help of weibo marketing
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/BlankOCE/status/1113311980897456129
And now, a cross-pollination of korean talent in AU Contenders
minor flame
Yang Xiao Long best rwby char??
Yeah prob
Not like any of the characters are written well
queen drift
Graphic design is my passion
night tusk
Alot of rumours of Im37 to Defiant
They announce soon
Seems to be confirmed to be in LA
Twitter
night tusk
I never watched Im37 stream but I saw him alot on calvin stream and he seems to be reconized because he duo'queue alot with xQc in the past. He did look good on ladder and I see alot of people saying that he is speedrunning the path to pro if the rumours are true
LA like in he is where the OWL matches are, not the team. The team he is rumoured to be is Defiant
And Defiant tweeted they announce a new player soon
And Defiant tweeted they announce a new player soon
mint flower
I’ve only seen him on noob hunter and freshnuts
mint flower
I’m guessing he’s Korean
Or at least a western player that can speak Korean?
I can’t see Toronto picking up one player that doesn’t speak Korean when the rest of the team does
supple yoke
will the owl tonight be on the baptiste patch?
minor flame
Ye
mint flower
Omfg how did I forget about the games smh
night tusk
he is korean who lives in NA I believe
like Hoonmaru
but not sure ofcourse, could not even find a picture of IM37
swift moth
predictions: phili looses to excel 2-3
boston beats atlanta 3-1
gladiators beat dragons 3-1
charge 4 - 0's paris
night tusk
lol charge
I guess PHL 0-4 NYXL
Boston 3-2 ATL
GLA 3-0 Dragons
Charge 4-0 Paris
night tusk
well I can say that Boston had no practice time with RCK
sullen berry
they keep yelling that cruise is a feeder internally
so he becomes dps and shuts down as the one man carry
jokes aside
I don't know if the GZ players have been at this slump since the convincing defeat from Titans
and it won't be an easy stage both here and in stage 4
swift moth
@sullen berry how is shanghai gonna beat post stage 1 week 3 gladiators?
vagrant cargo
I mean
Daemon was the reason
Botbest started
Not cloudy
An actual good maintank
vagrant cargo
Also maybe greyy can start now
vagrant cargo
Boston will lose 3-1 i say
night tusk
Who is playing Baptiste the flex or main supports? Or do you guys think that Baptsite won't even been picked today?
swift moth
guys you do relize atlanta is the underdog
trim shadow
Yall are overrating boston
vagrant cargo
Cuz Babybay is a shock Player and i am pretty confident that he is better than dafran on zarya
vagrant cargo
GOATs is still Meta tho
swift moth
not overrating, reighn just lost dafran
swift moth
true
vagrant cargo
While pokpo is a really really good Winston
trim shadow
Lost dafran gained babybay frd and astro
night tusk
What if we see SDB on Genji and SoOn on Tracer and it works out!
night tusk
One thing is that Charge can play the hunters comp
swift moth
hotba is really good
vagrant cargo
Ye
swift moth
and paris is kind of wonky rn
swift moth
Im betting on charge but anything can happen
swift moth
why?
swift moth
actually maybe not
vagrant cargo
Is not junkertown lol
night tusk
I mean not
swift moth
in contenders today there was a lot of orisa
vagrant cargo
Also apereantly Winston GOATs will probably be the Meta
trim shadow
Seeing shadow on his genji will warm my heart
swift moth
also a bastion bunker fucked up goats
vagrant cargo
Same
vagrant cargo
SDB is super underrated nowadays
swift moth
so you need a more mobile main tank
vagrant cargo
Ikik
trim shadow
Him and effect are the same
vagrant cargo
Effect is kinda washed tho, not his Meta
night tusk
Well we see what will see what today will bring us but maps like Junkertown can change alot
swift moth
surefour on baptiste? surefour on baptiste.
night tusk
Today he tweeted "kill me :)"
vagrant cargo
Ik
night tusk
Effect back at it again
trim shadow
Feel like dallas is gonna get playoffs due to zach being a junkrat specialist and effects tracer/widow/ashe/tracer
minor flame
Winston Goats is prob gonna be less entertaining than normal goats
Rein is prob one of the best things to watch
swift moth
true
fast ember
tfw Titans stick to rein goats and go undefeated all season
steel pawn
jagged crater
baptise here!
ruby pendant
!schedule
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fast ember
inb4 baptiste>diva
trim shadow
inb4 they add the logos to the new teams
fast ember
don't have to eat grav if you have a cd that counters it
plucky rune
so teleporter is a better grav counter than the lamp?
balmy wolf
yep
night tusk
I think we will see winston goats not just because meta but Fusion played this alot in stage 1 already alot. But we will see what other teams will try out but Anubis first point and Junkertown is not a goats map/point so we will see new stuff for sure
Not goats*
pearl stratus
Immortality countering anything, anywhere.
With the few rare exceptions where you can abuse LoS the ability is a delay at most.
swift moth
@balmy wolf it gives you like 2 seconds of survival
and therefore time to counter shatter
pearl stratus
2 seconds is a bit late for 4.4k scrims. I'd be willing to bet it dies much faster than that at an organized situation like scrims.
swift moth
if you plant it in an akward spot then 2 seconds
it also would counter grav bomb by stopping the bomb
the problem is everyone would be at 40 health and would get melted down
balmy wolf
@swift moth 2 seconds is being generous + beat drop/trans/bubble/blocking is WAY more consistent
and yes
balmy wolf
good luck finding those
swift moth
a few teams had those problems
I think spitfire had issues with their ult economy, gladiators had comms issues which they fixed
pearl stratus
It's a good ladder ability.
In anything hyper organized Baptiste is nowhere even close to oppressive for anything but his ult.
And even that has massive drawbacks.
frozen perch
is everyone ready for more goats?
lunar dome
im fucking sick of goats in owl its just the same thing over and over and over again just play fucking dps already
worn falcon
I dont mind goats, i want to see how the changes of players works
minor flame
I like goats
Goats is fun to watch for me
I just hate bad goats
Bad goats are scourge
lunar dome
goats is fun to play watching it is boring now
minor flame
Fun to play like assuming ppl play it in ladder except when in gm
balmy wolf
magic zinc
Well he went up the ladder quick
pearl stratus
I still kind of wish they'd forced a name change on him.
Not because his name is bad.
But its going to be so clumsy for casting.
Viol2t, Fl0w3r etc, are still just nouns.
balmy wolf
like the chinese contenders teams forcing it