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@minor flame my rankings is based off if its a dps meta not a goats meta we know who is ass or who is good at goats
ok to each their own
fucking silver chat
yeah
and runaway is really good at dps
runaway has been good at like almost all metas dude
ad homenim doesnt make you somehow smarter
pretending that my arguments are fallacial dont make you smarter either
yet youre more confident in SF being top
no pretending involved
lmaoooo
Not like pines mcree
thats because seominsoo DOESNT play mccree
Uhh..striker rascal architech and babybay?
babybay lol
All deep hero pools (espect babybay) and good at there heros
anyway, I hope goats is a lot weaker in stage 2, just for the sake of the game
goats is not ALOt weaker
Yes..but this is owl..and time has passed
its weaker but not that much
Runaway has been playing goats for a year at this point
yet they managed to be top at almost all metas
including dive
which transitioned into goats
2nd to the top in the dive
then what do you propose them do
they still managed to be top in goats
But best at goats
if its still dominant
well its not even dominant in ladder
the patch brings more variety but it doesnt make goats that weak
most people hate playing it
making goats too weak is a mistake
when I face it its still obnoxious
I am saying the enemy team
enemy goats is so easy to disarm
It just means if a team tries to run goats chengdu will go undefeated next stage
no honestly
Since theyve shown at times to dissmantle a goats comp
Unlike the other 19 teams
just play goats
oh no anubis b
also the occasional goats is fine
keyword, occasional but im expecting more than half the games
lets hope its a lot more niche then
I dont think its good to have it dead
variety is fine
just nothing being played almost all the time in every situation
I would totally understand running it in control center
that actually suits the map and makes sense
having that ideal stuff that nothing being almost played all the time in every situation
is like
near impossible to get
shame chengdu doesnt play the opening match
if it means anything I liked the latter stages of season 1
it could use a tiny bit more variety
Shame we gotta see philly get beatdoen
but something like that
lmao
not like Astro is a good replacement for Masaa nyway
jokes on you astro and masaa will play at the same time!
I dont even know how good astro would be in a pro setting where people are gonna counter his rollouts
I know about him rejecting boston btw
Was it boston?
I think he didnt like the salary offer
actually when he was asked about rollouts tips he was like he doesnt care too much since he doesnt die
4head
I dont think it was rejecting
astro is a zen player?
he was boosting
Lucio
shock may go undefeated next stage?
If super doesnt feed
why are people rating shock so high off the finals
And try to copy bumper
not off the finals
Im rating them off of player results
Hence striker
people dont seem to realize that every time shock took a map off of titans
And fucking architech on the same team
it was close
and next stage they play only mid range teams i think
No
Achad
But top 10 material
they almost beat a team that doesnt expect Chengdu strats
Atlanta falls out of top 10 now
^
theyre like mid tier
They can compete if they keep what theyre doing going
They’ll go 3-4
Probably lower then that
theyll be mid-top if they keep that kind of performance
We play nyxl twice
shock will at least got 5-2
I was countin nyxl as 2 losses
Thats like two beatdowns or two upsets ill throw any logic away
atlanta will get killed by nyxl
They dont have the dps talent anymore
all they rlly have now is 2 good supports in masaa and pogshit
rankings in overwatch are kinda funny esp when the teams can be so inconsitent
inconsistent*
Boston london washington la valiant charge new york twice
Boston washington valiant should be a cake walk
Im not speaking on the rest
They’ll beat boston, wash, val
they built the roster first and got dafran second
April 1st is a day away
they took measures
Lets hope
the amount of people leaving atl fanbases after dafran leaving is hilarious
if you abandon reign just because of dafra, then you were never a fan in the first place lol
but not fantastic
im slowly believing cassories has some plan
ewww
Or we can kiss any chance at end of seasons playoffs goodbye
pokpo? I thought he was average as well
Probably get eliminated 1st or 2nd round in the battle royale at the end for the last spot
some good moments
Yes
hes not good
pokpo is shit
Masaa
masaa is incredible
is good
Seeing him die twice to the dva in the playoffs made me want to die
masaa is pretty good
probably their best player
IN THE FIRST 10
they really need a good dps signing tho
Dogman is inconsistent
nlaeer might not be enough
either good or shit
yea dog is weird
hes overall good tho
And he’ll get to play more ana in new meta
So more in his comfort zone
he played one game as ana
He carried the second
He literally won them the game against houston
people refer to his nade against houston
5head
The fact is
its not even that skillful as a play though
He landed it..under a rein shield
That was like the one time he played ana too
yea another overhyped play
youre literally pressing e on 6 people in a grav
And houston logged off the server
he saved pokpo before that
people like to hype that shit as like omg so great
THEY ARE ON THE PAYLOAD, I WONDER WHERE THE NADE SHOULD LAND
The pokpo save still
Very good healing
it was a miraculous save, but it also wasnt like a mindblowing tactic or anything
Not to mention if you watched from his perspective he was healing dafran too
he played twice
when
chengdu nepal
houston and?
he was shat on
infact
as a whole
yea i remember him feeding
He still only played 2 maps
Fed one map and saved the other
Classic pogshit gameplay
given he was known for his ana
but he wasnt like
we def havent seen it all
noticably good
Idk why u want to discount him so much give the man a chance
of 2 maps lol k
its bumper lol
a sample is a sample
dogman might show himself to be like
really good at ana
but so far im not impressed
^
I’ll paypall you 2 cents if you are righr
yeah and bumper is known for his rein even though hes like plat in diff team
Bumper is a special case
lol
very uh special
big brain feeds
legitimately they move in right after him and take advantage of all the space he makes
sounds regrettable
ok on that note Imma sleep after leaving that on your head
Sweet dreams of bumper screeching
sweet dreams of cat sex
I’ll just dream of vancouver comms then
nite
FUNNYASTRO'S GOING PRO?
ye, reign
gonna be shit lul
I feel like he's too independent and aggressive to go pro?
k nite
Night <3
he can easily adjust his playstyle, hes an amazing player overall
and played in contenders for hurricane
he talked about this in karq's tip vids
hes more team oriented in pro play
does ladder shit because it works there
and recommends it
funnyastro has been pro before
his strength lies in pace control
also idk if many people here follow it but
made harbleus team 😄
Overwatch and esports 😂
nice
also masaa on team comps in stage 2: Theres going to be goats but not that much, we're going to have a lot more bunker comps and stuff like that
any esporters?
I hope effect is okay
What the hell is happening with effect?
damn, there was+300k viewers watching OWL on ABC
baptiste bunker is not as strong as you think
watch the vod from last night's stream on jayne's channel
baptiste is pulled out for the last map and the team running it gets stomped by dive and a couple well placed anti nades
all the immortality did was delay their deaths
everyone assumed the new hero would be an end to goats and that blizzard would answer their cries of pain
the truth is that blizzard attempted to end goats this patch but it's still strong and we're still going to see it
they have failed in that sense
ending goats would be a mistake
cause youre back to square one
dive meta straight for months
i think blizzard expected people to play like chengdu
expecting more variety
instead everyone chose to play goats
even when theyre not good at it
goats honestly isnt that strong anymore
Atlanta signed bero to the academy with a zenyatta pic
So whats up with cassories and support lines?
Means goats is still main meta
Fuck
its been like a week dude
going from one dominant meta to several is fucking jarring
literally give it some time
you cant expect everyone to transition so willy nilly smoothly immediately
bUt i WaNt hEAdCLiCkiNg
Go watch ladder montages smh
What is the best way to catch up on overwatch esports
or twitch
Still no juicy trades
Have OverWatch pros reacted to their player camera at all this season?
Last year I remember players getting happy and waving to the camera at the start of the matches
i like how the OWL reruns still has 1.5k people watching
Good
Probably euro folk
People complaining about making April fools joke on March 31st, its April 1st some where.
truth
Wait jake is from@houston right?
yes
Welp time to drop houston a place
lol
Muma’s back must be hurting
yea trust nothing you see for the next 24h 
one of these will be real, i can feel it
the double jebait
actually diya reincarnate
Pine traded to the Shanghai Dragons
Boston trades x for y are all plausible
huh, guess i'm avoiding comp ow disc today
just had a peek, monte christmas lol
also I'm extremely disappointed I haven't watched talespin streams ages ago
https://clips.twitch.tv/StrangeSwissJayMrDestructoid
They’re having a lot of fun with April’s fools lol
We’ll see
@trim shadow yes
goats bad
Yes they are fake, those arent even the real team twitter
Y’all just got jebaited
Did people actually fall for those....?
I feel like Atlanta reign trolled all of us
They didn’t sign a dps player for stage 2
Stage 2 is almost here
They could sign a player already in LA
time to move to LA
and a lot of teams have their academy teams in LA
Atlanta can probably pull a Daemin and find a pro in LA at the last minute who is eligible to join
But with Brad's track record, they could actually pull it off
#SIGNBABYBAY
But the last two signings have been support players
So i doubt cassories is activetly lookinng for a dps
That just means cassories believes in nlaeer togo pog
They signed Astro but he isn’t DPS
Remember this time last year?
Valiant were benching AGILITIES and silkthread
And the logical thing was to put kariv on dps and unkoe/verbo on zen?
Kariv and agilities are adorable
Unkoe on zen
Verbo is the main support
Moon seems to like the idea
Kariv on dps
Even the man himself says no
I believe NLaaeR will do fine though
rip sleepy and fragi
has there been any player whos been dropped from a owl team that has gone back to contenders
F for the viking
lots of players have gone back into contenders
lots of korean ones
Logix
most of old FLA actually
xQc "technically"
what about most of old shanghai?
0f course chips is a streamer now i think i dont think he is invovled in contenders
understand..shanghai did go 0-40 so most players would want a new identity
f to roshan for not finding a new team
also hang on undead has a new team?
ohhh i see u4 went to the same team so he probably brought him on board
but now hes a coach?
and has to 1st place finishes in open divison?
two*
well 1 in open division and 1 in trials
Undead was on a team last i heard
It was long ago but his name is like
hYpno or something
so then his liquidpedia isnt updated
or you would have to look at hypno's liquidpedia
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Dafran needs to come back so we can see more Torb
I hate the prank
elsa torb > dafran torb
lol
its sad that Dafran quit before DPS meta but I think it's better this way. you could see he enjoys streaming more
But funnyastro is signed as 2way, that can be dope.
idrc about contenders, and they already have masaa
Contenders is 100% goats every map so i cant het into it
It's harder to end on a high note, so he did what he felt was a bit odd now compared to his old ways
Everlasting Goats until tanks get nerfed so hard
They become more situational than doomfist
I'm enjoying what I see in ladder games in top 500
im still speculating this changes dont mean shit cause we got a new support that has a immortality field a ult that boost healing and damage and has great vertical mobility so some form of self peel
Dafran will return in Endgame
Unless ill
Oml please stop
there are reasons to believe it is real but idk anymore
We’ll find out tomorrow or the 4th
probably gone but we can dream
!schedule
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Atlanta can beat boston w/o dafran I think
Xl will heat philly
glads will win bc decay
Charge will beat paris
dafran*
PHI 1 3 NYXL
BOS 2 3 ATL
SHD 2 3 GLA
GZC 3 1 PAR
LDN 4 0 FLA
WAS 1 3 TOR
VAL 0 4 SFS
GLA 3 1 SEO
FLA 1 3 PHL
TOR 3 1 BOS
NYE 3 1 SHD
CDH 3 2 PAR
SFS 3 1 GZC
ATL 1 3 LDN
VAN 3 2 HZS
WAS 2 3 CDH
what did u say kenobi
okay, so remember how everyone had it in the mail predicted spitfire in the inaugral season 2 match?
how many of you had predicted fusion, if we're being honest based on past success in stage 1
because i think despite the drops when elk was in the lineup
nyxl are being overrated
Are we talking about NYXL or phi
especially against fusion
I’m confused
had it in the mail
I don’t think many people had expected London to be so bad at goats
I didn't have NYXL in my playoff predictions either
but I was totally convinced Seoul had the higher chance, but not on paper
they prepared really well, a credit to their team comp and playing fits into the match
the hell is not in the mail
not in the mail e.g. Spitfire's payout in stage 1
Wow, here's a bit of fun info. So I just saw the podium photos for the Enduro World Series round held last weekend in Tasmania - where they have great big novelty cheques printed for the top 3, to the tune of AUD1,000, 600 and 400. This is supposed to be a top-teir professional sport, and they're paying the winner in the elite categories a pitiful $1,000.
If I had a team in contenders in NA, EU, KR or CN, I would earn an absolute minimum of $1320 per week just for showing up and competing in Overwatch Contenders - and over $2k if you won all 4 maps. What a joke prizemoney in cycling is.
Blizzard: We're going to make times better for Europeans
Also Blizzard: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/535520793426132995/562616338829541418/unknown.png
Stop cherry picking times
Blizzard never said all matches on all days were going to be better
EU has two days this season that start earlier
ok I'll stop cherrypicking days
10/16 matches are confirmed to start after midnight
12/16 matches could start after midnight if the two before them take a while
The 4 guaranteed games we can watch before midnight do not include Paris Eternal, the wholly European team
in fact the games we do get to see are going to be almost entirely rolls
TOR/BOS and SFS/GZC are the only ok ones
but I don't think anyone's going to disagree when I say that Florida vs Philly or Atlanta vs London are going to be boring
decay bouta pound shanghai
you know dafran isn't the strongest zarya right..
Dafran is the smoothest hitscan tracker
shanghai is so fucked for their first two games
Shanghai prob has one of the harder schedules
I would say they have a good one against Chengdu
But Chengdu
I dont know what Chengdu is
Shanghai has justice, outlaws, mayhem which i'd say are easier
but they also have shock, nyxl, LAG which are much harder
and then like you said, who the hell knows what hunters will do...
Dafran is still a Reign "Streamer" not sure what that means
Does he give them a cut of profit or something like wth
Is this a common thing?
It's like a more relaxed way of supporting the team
keeps him connected to the team so he can get random gifts and sponsers i think
like kabaji for fusion, or aspen for c9
also contracted pay is nice to supplement a gig job
Dafran mentioned he would be at the home matches to support ATL (and have signings ofc)
I don't watch alot of contenders but if I see ATL academy or Fusion uni if playing I watch it sometimes
And Funny is for sure better than Ajax
well the watch retention on dive is certainly higher than goats
Mmm
Anyone here
Chronodota is streaming with the title 'Announcement soon'
And Jayne is hosting him
we'll see the damage 1 more stage of goats will cause
.......
I think
Everyone doesnt wanna try and be like Chengdu
And flex to variety
Chengdu does well against goatees
Thank you @cocco. For everything.
You’ll always be a welcome member of our family and we know you’ll be great in whatever you pursue next.
#BurnBlue https://t.co/ii8iehwSUu
wew
2 days before stage 2
Welp see you guys in stage 2 featuring quad support
Cocco is one of the coaches right?
Oof first professional i see say that overwatch is no longer enjoyable
Expected from a MT player
fuck dude
im genuinely actually sad at this
OG envyus is slowly breaking apart
chips is already gone, cocco, effect
honestly tho
original envyus is the reason i started grinding overwatch to become pro and get scholarships for college league and now on a contenders team
now their team has none of the original players played in games
akm over taimou AND effect, unkoe replaced chipshajen, oge replaced cocco, closer replaced harryhook, rck over mickie, zacharee technically replaced seagull
its almost like the reason i ever got into pro OW has left
a hard feelssadman
i cant fucking type in the team recruitment section can someone help
listening to cocco's video is genuinely saddening bc its obvious he just... doesnt feel at hoome
who can blame him
his family is half gone
he is streaming btw, if you want to ask stuff @balmy wolf
@worn falcon There's nothing I really wanna ask. I respect his decision and honestly support it since it does seem like he wasn't enjoying his time in OWL. I hope the best for him both mentally and financially.
I'll stop by to say some nice things
I dont know how anyone can enjoy a 40 game season with almost no break and no one that can sub in for you and play well
@balmy wolf c-c-contenders
I don't mind if dive is meta again, I don't hate goats but I want to see Saya, Pine & someone like babybay play mccree/widow again or just see dps like fl0w3r or sbb
And yes mccree is not dive for example but with goats you won't see him for sure only to counter other comps
lmao too cute
send me the announcement
its on bostons twitter
Babybay is joining Atlanta
Please welcome our new Flex Tank - NotE!
He joins us from the @BostonUprising in a trade for @rCk_ow. Both players will be eligible to in Stage 2.
Be sure to give @NotEvenBleu a follow, and good luck to rCk on Boston! https://t.co/FvFtuRsyYB
@queen drift here ya go
theres also an article about it on the owls website
so i think its true
get my fusions out of boston right now
I don't care who he goes to just not in boston anymore
HuK has gone mad with power and he's locked himself in the bathroom
1:01 PM - 2 Apr 2019
boston is a shitshow
ya likely true
Every kingdom needs a king and today marks the beginning of a new reign, welcome @KING_BABYBAY to your Atlanta Reign - ESKETITTT! #LetItReign https://t.co/1rAgFWCRtJ
why
because they're not Boston
reign have pokpo
Fusions > Pokpo tbhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
na
hundo percent
Fusions has mad experience in exactly the kind of Overwatch that Reign want to play
especially with FAstro now with them (inb4 he's a two-way player for exactly two games)
pokpo has a better winston, orisa, hammond, and he has great synergy with daco
Fastro wont play stage 1 likely
boston also signed persia from talon esports
FAstro fucking loves new Lucio man, probably the most used to him in the world thanks to how he actually played Lucio before changes
and then they already have masaa, a better lucio
masaa > fastro???
are we actually ignoring Fastro vs Masaa's match history?
Fastro has beaten Masaa every single time in EU Contenders
picking single players from previous results doesnt really mean anything though
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Fastro just gets the Fusions treatment
becoming a main player after exactly 2 games
yes
tbh im not 100% certain, anything would be healthy to be skeptical of right now
Boston is going down
who is the loser
super fucking down
but thats what they both said on their twitter
isnt rck shit
yes
hes pretty good as far as western offtanks go
no shit
so how many trades/transfers/signings now?
idk like 15
yes i think
15?
hold on I'll make a list
well yeah that happens when you cant keep a roster longer than a stage
rCk > Boston
Persia > Boston
Note > Fuel
FunnyAstro > Atlanta (two-way)
Babybay > Atlanta
Apply > Florida (up from Academy)
ArK > Washington
ILLICIT > Seoul
Highly > Seoul
Gamsu > Dragons
also a few people changed in management
oh yeah
Apply was 2 way
thx
Highly and Illict hasnt played
I said he was 2 way
he's not 2 way though
2 way implies he plays on both
iirc he didn't play stage 1?
i said
he
WAS
2 way
he was signed as a 2 way player
he doesnt have to play on both to be a 2 way player
just be signed to a 2 way contract
same as elk
I mean he never got played in Stage 1, and now he's 100% a Florida main team player
i'd say it counts
i mean yeah i am but doesn't mean i'm wrong
????????????????
officially Apply moved from Florida Mayhem/Academy to just Mayhem
"apply was 2 way" "hes not 2 way" "i said he was 2 way" "hes not 2 way tho" "i said he WAS 2 way"
do you not understand the concept of past and present tense
man you sure are getting angry over a video game esports league
I'm just saying i considered it to be a new signing as he's now no longer playing on his previous team, and is wholly on a new team
to me that more or less means "moved team"
ive never seen highly or illicit play?
what r their roles?
dps and support
doesn't matter that he was two way, his main team was completely different to his new one
k
i havent argued, a single time, that he was moved from a 2 way to solely a first team player
i havent argued that he didnt move teams
all i said
is he
WAS
Illicit was a top level Junk in Korea even when Junk wasn't a thing lmao
oh shush you, you've proved your point
so highlys support, illicits dps?
aye
k thx
Highly is a Zen/Ana with a Sombra
Illicit is a Junk/Pharah/Genji(?)
so highly will be sub for jehong?
oh thats wut u said
smh im dumb
imagine trading your best tank playe- oh wait boston already did that
dallas gang
twice
lmao
the fuck is wrong with Huk
looks like it
and then theres axxiom on the bench
reminder that Huk decided to pick up another lucio specialist when he knew they'd start the season with only one DPS main because Blase was banned for 2 games

axxiom is a winston main right?
has Alemao even played a single game
hows fusions' winston?
better than Axxiom's
alright f for axxiom
Fusions plays a strange Winston but it works
fusions winston is a fat 1head
Well is Winston’s getting back in meta anytime soon?
Cuz unless it is, axxiom is irrelevant
Hot take: dallas needed a one trick diva cause they found sombra is bad with baptise patch.
Guys
I played one match or two
What happend
Note and rck traded and babybay to ATL?
too much
Yea I thought rCk was doing fine with fuel
I did not watch alot of dallas matches but alot of hype was their for rck
And notes been fine with Boston for a while
I FUCKING KNEW IT I FUCKING KNEW IT ATLANTA JUST PICKED UP BABYBAY!
who is persia?
Flex support
Atleast babybay will have more playtime
POG CASOSRED
is he from a team or contenders team
Atlanta is pog!
and apparently Note never played for them
Pine is also in shanghai now Kappa
Babybay is a insane dps with tremendous potential
but why babybay
I am glad atlanta yanked him
he hasnt
Bruhhhhhhhh i fucking knew it once dafran left atlanta was going to san fran for a trade
I guess because babybay have some heroes he can play like dafran (soldier?) and he is western?
WHAT DALLAS FUEL PICKED UP NOTE?
Maybe ATL does want a more western team than adding another korean
Whats with theese crazy trades last minute?
Traded for rck
Fragi 😦
So boston failed with laa
😦
they should at least let him play
Anyway thats not why im here
sado winston isnt always the best thing
Is the Krystal trade still going on?
look at this... https://twitter.com/rostonyoo/status/1112810134391152641
Yeah rCk got traded into a shot show
fragi without carpe on one picture
I learned that san fran is a shit hole..and expensive to live
Shitshow
So san fran will have the worst stadium
Carpe and Fragi have beef 😦
yeah carpe doesnt like fragi or something right?
well
Avast said just that you won't see both of them on stage. nothing confirmed more than that
I saw that live lol
i just wonder why
avast
Avast (former boston player and now caster)
I wish avast got to play last season
interests me what fragi did or vice versa
I think he does good as caster
How many people never played last season
avast is great as a caster
Oh yea avast leaks everything
Regular season only
maybe it's not about irl problems but gameplay stuff related
Not preseason
Like guardian buying out of boston
or carpe is like "i want my main tank to be korean"
yikers
i think its more to do with how he plays aggro
I heard that Effect was also the reason why Cocco did not play
but sado does the exact same
mmm not really lol
well
fragi is a lot more aggressive than sado
if anything i see him die a lot cause of overextending
what I do remember
that avast said
"it's about something silly"
that he is not on stage/playtime
i dont think i heard tht
all i heard was about you wont see carpe and fragi on stage at the same time
atleast he can show his skill
Agreed
but I guess Nlaar will play the tracer
Shocks colors are ugly imo
tracer is their weakness now
nlaaer isnt a great tracer
erster doesnt play her at all iirc
on ladder
yeah ladder still
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shocks colors are the same i think, but they swapped the colors
before it was primary orange, secondary gray
now it's vice versa
there is a saying... Don't say goats is dead, until its dead.
Pine was traded?
Damn 
rCk for Note is quite the steal
I think rck difd pretty well for stage one
Yeah, on Sombra.
Ni reason to trade him
Sombra is still gonna be strong
Eh
Is so why would boston let go of note?
maybe they want more flex
it was a secret plan
you're focusing too much on thinking
And fuel wants to lose the flex?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
meh
Note is a core player for boston
im sure Jayne was involved in getting that trade tho
At this rate boston would really lose their fans
i mean
but they have mickie already Kapp
yeh
Who is left from their original team lmao
I guess they're trying to shave some stuff off?
Get it, their sponsor is Gillete hehe im so funny
aimgod


