Thinking Fran is contenders level is meh
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
She could probably play Ana or something in OD.
hidden vault
Wouldn't they play NLaaeR? He's alr dafran's back up
pearl stratus
NlaaeR has been tried a few times from Atlanta.
No time looked good.
Or even remotely good.
He's also primarily in the Widow camp.
Davin would be the smartest pick up because it recovers the tracer/hitscan generalist.
tl;dr: Nah-laaer.
lusty stag
^
fathom acorn
She is
balmy wolf
why do people think streamers are good
pearl stratus
There's also like 234983495872358979385792837529835792835787 players better than her.
balmy wolf
shes a lucio bot
pearl stratus
Roughly.
balmy wolf
Not gonna lie, i dont think she has what it takes to be an OWL pro; i think shes like KarQ in that regard
literally freelo in my games
fathom acorn
Ik she isn’t OWL leave
balmy wolf
shes not owl
fathom acorn
Level
fathom acorn
But I can dream
balmy wolf
yikes
pearl stratus
Doesn't make it not illegal, ironically enough
fathom acorn
I’m younger than her
balmy wolf
or in a duo
balmy wolf
thank you
imagine having to continuously buy gm accounts because you cant keep yours above 3900
omegayikes
fathom acorn
Isn’t buying accounts against the tos
north tendon
so now that dafran quit to the surprise of no one
im wondering how many people are still cheering for reign
he was a major factor
jagged crater
stylosa for OWL
jagged crater
i loved dogman hyping up dafran
balmy wolf
Atlanta is still gonna retain some of Dafran's base since he is repping them streaming
tho it will take a blow
idk what happened to the spark but they looked so bad
vale pond
oof
jagged crater
whoru in open division due to brig jail
dats pretty funny tho
the best female players are usually pretty quiet
or make it not known they're female
limber pine
fathom acorn
I mean
Did he play this stage?
I don’t think he did
But I didn’t watch too much spark so idk
limber pine
Krystal did not play this stage
balmy wolf
probs not
both of there dps are underage
Poor sugarfree
saucy is 16 and sugar is 1 years old
i thought he was the most talented fetus of all time
karmic grotto
HUH?
Where did this came from
and why Krystal?
in place of who
colourhex?
blase?
jagged crater
just an addition?
limber pine
probably just an addition
mint flower
I don't like this either
Krystals one of my favorite chinese players, and being chinese I hope he stays on a chinese team (I'm obviously biased tho)
CHINA NUMBA 1
trim shadow
So the talks failed with valiant
and now theyre hunting krystal
Df is huks thinking
mint flower
I'm happy LAV kept fate
not sure about ksf, although in a trade for fusions, it'd be terrible
trim shadow
Trading away fate and ksf was suicicde im glad the front office was smart
limber pine
wut
mint flower
no team will take blase or colourhex in a trade imo
They're aren't looking too good
trim shadow
I dont think any team wants to talk to boston with how huk basically breeds players and trade em away for high prices because they played good on a certain hero and meta
limber pine
wut
trim shadow
Extreme
trim shadow
@limber pine boston is trying to aquire krystal
trim shadow
But it looks like huk is desperate
trim shadow
Cause the news between valiant and boston stopped assuming the trade failed
trim shadow
It sounds like colourhex and blasé are underperforming or he doesnt believe in them for the next stage
limber pine
both blase and colourhex are mostly projectile
they don't really have a true hitscan player on the team
Krystal will do that
mint flower
how many dps does spark have rn
limber pine
4 i think
mint flower
godsb, bazzi, krystal, and who else
limber pine
adora
trim shadow
Sasin*
mint flower
he was a mid stage signing right?
trim shadow
Like week 2
limber pine
then they have 5
trim shadow
He must still be in korea since he has no picture
pearl stratus
So wait I just got up on the retardation that is Huk personally affects Huk professionally argument.
Y'all potato af
❤
Dudes a dick, but the dude does his job well, and right.
Also look at everyone who has profited off of their player model.
mint flower
I never said he was bad at his job, but I fucking hate the man
pearl stratus
I mean just in this season alone Toronto would have been a tier down, and Shanghai would have extended their losing streak for another stage.
mint flower
perhaps
pearl stratus
It's not a perhaps.
No main tank, and Youngjin not on Brig but on Rein?
Washington Justice would have laughed at them.
mint flower
i was refering to toronto
mint flower
SHD is mid tier at best
pearl stratus
Without Gamsu they were worst in the league set for Stage 1, because at least Chengdu could surprise with the ball.
Geguri was an okay hammond, but not a good enough one to get them wins.
plucky rune
don't sleep on chengdu
pearl stratus
The raising and selling of players is something some teams just do.
And Huk does it better than most.
plucky rune
but ameng does do a lot for chengdu
pearl stratus
I'm not, it was a direct comparison that while Chengdu didn't have a traditional main tank they at least had Ameng on ball to secure some surprise wins.
I was saying Shanghai couldn't have replicated it.
So them starting Stage 1 with no Main Tank was a death bell for them.
mint flower
is amengs rein reliable now?
How many games has he played rein well
mint flower
oof
plucky rune
ameng's rein is pretty nasty
pearl stratus
However.
Playing it badly doesn't necessarily mean its bad.
He plays his Rein in a way that you would not expect a professional Rein player to play it.
So he gets big value out of some random as fuck shit sometimes.
Max range shatters etc.
So while he's not playing it well, he's playing it effectively.
If that makes sense.
mint flower
So i assume jiqiren will be starting when he arrives?
pearl stratus
If you want it explained better look up Chronodota's review of Bumper vs. Ameng
Probably not.
Depends which Meta shows up.
mint flower
rlly?
pearl stratus
Stage 2 by all estimations should have bunker, goats, snipers, quad dps, tri-dps etc.
And with Ameng being a solid ball + orissa he fits into a lot of comps.
I doubt we'll need all Rein all the time again.
plucky rune
stage two plays on our current patch right?
mint flower
if ur referring to the one with baptiste and paris and whatnot, then yes, I believe thats the one
pearl stratus
Theoretically if it goes through PTR quick enough the reaper/junkrat changes could make it in too.
Won't help Reaper at all.
But the Junkrat changes will be decent.
Especially for bunkers.
limber pine
Orisa Dva Mercy Baptiste Junkrat Widow
balmy wolf
Stage 2 plays on Patch 1.34
@plucky rune
so yes our current patch
it will have baptiste
Tho I'm not sure about the new reaper and junk
balmy wolf
I'm more hoping to see ashe being played more
yea
no longer dva or rein shatter plays
karmic grotto
I KNEW IT
uneven wren
pearl stratus
So he's still got what..
8 game suspension I think it was?
So he'll be eligible in Stage 4.
Unless they randomly waive it.
limber pine
i didn't know he was suspended
pearl stratus
That's why his trade fell through.
London didn't know/mention he had a huge boosting suspension when he got to OWL.
pearl stratus
tl;dr was the transfer was initiated, League hadn't cleared it yet, mentioned he'd be suspending for up to 10 games because of boosting.
Boston cancelled contract.
Trade hadn't been approved by the office anyway.
London left in lurch.
Drama.
north tendon
oh wow
would have preferred him in another team since I liked masaa's lucio
but still nice to see him in owl
trim shadow
Well fuck
From one stream star to another
Cassories loves converting streamers
Also rip masaa’s lucio
(I know about astros stream career and what happened with boston)
north tendon
now i feel a little sad imagining what could have been with dafran and astro
especially in a dps meta
still a kickass team tho
trim shadow
Im still brushing the sea water out my mouth since goats basically ruined dafrans any chance at showing he could grow into a pro player
pearl stratus
My expectation was low for how long he'd last either way.
A stage was more than I realistically expected
trim shadow
So i guesd gator will stay two way
north tendon
yeah it was a close call after a few weeks as well
karmic grotto
Wondering something
Can 2 way players get paid alot or are they only paid minimum of 50k
north tendon
honestly speaking, at his peak in a dps a meta I would have imagined him being something like a top 5 or top 10
probably still not doing better than the best koreans like carpe
heck he once had a mccree showdown with carpe on stream and constantly got outplayed lol
even said "you guys are crazy if you think im better than carpe"
so something like the zarya stats
trim shadow
I never put him above the og dps gods like striker Pine carpe profit
thats just dumb
north tendon
yeah, some of his more extreme fanboys would love to believe that though
jagged crater
astro and masaa are 2 nutty lucios gosh
north tendon
a lot of people were hyped by that one ashe game on hollywood too
but thats really far from representative
trim shadow
Since lucio god chunk of his ability to give los mobility tanks mobility
In exchange for consistent boops
jagged crater
beewps
trim shadow
And then zarya does less damage to shields ar max charge
The shield on top of armor
And dot effects no longer being mitigated by armor
north tendon
secretly hoping its chengdu that develop the new meta
trim shadow
If what super says is true Then ill return for the end of season playoffs
north tendon
love that team
trim shadow
Ik my boys in atlanta wont be at the end unless we get a godly pick up
north tendon
goats was interesting in how it completely masked the potential of so many dps players
looking forward to the power shift
whenever that happens
jagged crater
people think astro is actually best lucio in the world because of his ladder rank?
pearl stratus
I never put Dafran in top 15 honestly for DPS. His pool was too small to be of any major use.
jagged crater
initially it'll prob still be goats
pearl stratus
I expected him to sit on the bench like Pine.
jagged crater
you dont learn a new meta in 2 weeks
pearl stratus
And only come out situationally.
north tendon
yea endo
jagged crater
goats isn't nerfed to heck either, it's still decent, especially at a practiced level
north tendon
and well, im constantly impressed by how astro plays lucio
pearl stratus
Not even then.
Too many places in one.
EU is the worst ladder region because of it.
Because even when you want to communicate sometimes you can't.
north tendon
so you think NA is better?
jagged crater
at the highest ranks, NA has OWL players
north tendon
I really dont think so, overall
pearl stratus
Primarily West Coast.
jagged crater
Korea overall just cuz korean culture too strong
jagged crater
havent paid attention to china at all, i have no idea what it's like over there
pearl stratus
But they criss-cross into Korea a lot
jagged crater
is OW even popular in china relative to other big games?
pearl stratus
They don't lose the ping for playing on Korean servers too.
So they can basically just go through intense training naturally.
OW is still pretty hugely popular in China.
The only thing that really came up was PubG.
They never got big on shit like Fortnite.
So it had less drain.
jagged crater
pubg just absolutely dominated because of china
north tendon
some aim practice helps though
but yeah they would catch up soon since they are that good
supple prism
oh, they making FunnyAstro as 2-way
vale pond
w/ bappo all the csgo pros gonna play ow
also ffs I dont want masaa benched for astro
reign has plenty of support players you dont need him
I really dont see the need for him
pearl stratus
I wouldn't ever play Astro over Masaa, especially if Masaa comms as well as everyone says.
Literally ever.
I'd keep him around for my contenders team, and maybe streaming.,
Also FunnyAstro will be suspended a bunch of games anyway.
So he'll be forgotten about quickly.
vale pond
I’ve seen him play even in ladder
his hero pool is relatively decent, his comms and mechanics are good, he is generally good
also why would astro he suspended
karmic grotto
Boosting, but those suspensions will go away fast though
vale pond
Whatever
pearl stratus
It was a long enough suspension boston dropped his contract rather than keep him
queen drift
FunnyAstro LUL
pearl stratus
Which means most likely its towards the high end up of the 10 game max suspension
queen drift
Wasn’t OGE and SADO more than 10
pearl stratus
OGE was like.. 4 games.
queen drift
Ahh ye he was picked up after the beginning
pearl stratus
Sado was 3 stages. Right now for Stage 2 its up to 10 unless extremely outlier.
And Sado was the main face/ran the boosting company so he was more of an extreme case.
I think post the legal change in Korea most of the contracts have it so you can just drop a Korean player for boosting.
Also the cunt from Toronto E-sports never paid his players? really?
I know he's a doctor, so he should be able to remove a foreign object when someone shoves it up his ass.
vale pond
whe
hearty remnant
Do we get tokens for watching reruns during the breaks?
pearl stratus
The dude who runs the company is a shit fuck who honestly could get murdered and no jury would convict the guy who did it.
He had a player who hated dealing with him so much he bought himself out of his own contract.
vale pond
Oof
minor flame
sign a new dps player?
nah
sign funnyastro when you already have masaa
sure why not
vale pond
Exactly I dont get it
You already have one of the best lucios in the league why pick up some random eu player
pearl stratus
Main support back up isn't something -bad- to have, and on a two way you keep them at minimum pay on a contenders roster.
supple prism
Tough on Greece?
balmy wolf
balmy wraith
Everyone go buy a dafran jersey and double your money in like 2 months
hidden vault
Was funnyastro already in atl academy?
balmy wolf
nope
vale pond
British hurricane iirc
balmy wolf
Tired of being in a hardstuck plat or gold join through the fire just message me im gonna be making 2 teams and we will be helping eachother get better at the game this a competitive org that ive just started we go agane or we get left in the dust first 5 for A TEAM is 2600-3100 B TEAM iS 2400-2000
trim shadow
how did dafran have career in one stage
When he just proved his doubters he couldnt handle the leauge
And left salt in the mouth of everyone who wanted to see him in a dps meta
vale pond
Leaving salt in the people who dont respect him clearly
Respect his wishes
He doesnt want to play because the lifestyle is stressful and he doesnt feel like he wants to continue
That is his choice
He is not obligated to be an owl player for our benefit
His choice is a shame, but is for his good, and that is what matters
trim shadow
But the thing is people respect him
and because of that everyone knew if he quit then it was for streaming
But as someone who cares for atlanta as a brand..Its annoying that this guy is some streaming superstar who is supposedly the worlds best soldier and a world class tracer but ill never see it
Why cause blizzard cant balance a grandma and a sheet of paper
supple prism
what
balmy wolf
I can't wait to see FunnyAstro never get to play on OWL stage because of the weird two-way rules.
I imagine he'll be traded to a team with main support issues at some point in the season.
minor flame
i dont complexity is your humor i think your analogys are just bad
FunnyAstro will not play on stage much anyways
like replacing Masaa
really?
I imagine he'll just be a backup like Endo says
strong perch
hola , alguien para jugar overwatch en pc? ligas platinos en adelante por favor
hidden vault
He probably wouldn't play unless massa falls sick
hidden vault
He spammed every channel
lavish condor
hidden vault
Masaa is another?
spring heath
hidden vault
I have no idea who a piece of paper refers too
sullen berry
Imagine dafran as the grandma in that phrase
willow epoch
Jj
sullen berry
Its two J's
willow epoch
Yeah
sullen berry
JJanu and JJonak
sullen berry
!players titans
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
sullen berry
lol
willow epoch
CV
balmy wolf
@trim shadow your humor is trash and dafran may be one of the best soldiers/tracers in the world but that doesnt mean he should be forced to compete. he has never enjoyed the professional lifestyle and even during stage 1 he almost quit if it werent for the psych councilor. im happy that he plans on continuing to do something he enjoys doing in a mature without the #throw4dafran
trim shadow
Yes my humor is trash u forgot that the word my Is SINGULAR..my humor is not gonna appeal to everyone cause i find shit funny in a different way..And i know dafran wasnt stable My expactation he would last a season not a stage being a pro isnt easy work thats why it dissapoints me he didnt go that long i respect his decision to continue streaming instead of being a pro but damn as someone who was born in atlanta and to see my city get proper representation in the esports community it hurts when u loose someone who is suppose to be your superstar player thats why i say HE QUIT INSTEAD OF RETIRING...he dabbled his feet decided he didnt like the water and fucked off @balmy wolf
balmy wolf
Dafran doesn't owe anyone anything. He decided to give being a pro player another shot, found out he still didn't enjoy it, and wanted to go back to what he loves, which is streaming.
And if you're truly a fan of someone you respect their choices.
trim shadow
But theres the thing
Im not a fan of dafran
Ima fan of the team
And i want whats best for the team
balmy wolf
The only thing ATL will lose is 90% of their fanbase.
ruby pendant
don't think players owe anything to the team, but doesn't mean people will not get annoyed at a player leaving
especially if they're a starter, probably a natural response
fathom acorn
I just heard the worst analogy ever
balmy wolf
what
fathom acorn
It called overwatch league a “high school drama skit” and dafran the only person with real comedy
balmy wolf
@trim shadow whats best for the team is whats best for the players. stop being selfish.
@fathom acorn its not that untrue
pearl stratus
He should have stayed and thrown all of stage 2.
It would have been best for the team.
trim shadow
@ruby pendant thats why it pisses me off..cause now nlaeer and erster have a huge workload and atlanta will suffer as much i love our support line and tank line our d
Dps are hit or miss
balmy wolf
a dedicated hitscan and projectiles player
pearl stratus
The problem is most "fans" have a barely tangible knowledge of the game, and more or less spend all their time with their heads rammed firmly up their ass.
And since they have no clue how the game works.
Or how the game traverses
Or how players work
balmy wolf
or how human interactions go
pearl stratus
They attach to names like small minded fuckboi children.
Because they're literally garbage people and insanely close-minded.
balmy wolf
any genuine fan would understand the needs of the players need to be taken into account
pearl stratus
Any genuine fan also wouldn't care.
I like Dafran, but his hero pool is more of a liability than a benefit.
pearl stratus
Oh no? You mean Atlanta can pick up a better rounded dps with a larger pool?
HOW WILL THEY EVER SURVIVE.
Atlanta signs someone like Davin and they're in a much better place than they started.
pearl stratus
Your shitcord won't get linked.
fathom acorn
@balmy wolf it’s pretty untrue
balmy wolf
how isnt it
fathom acorn
Saying dafran is “the only comedy”
pearl stratus
After xQc was gone, it kind of is.
balmy wolf
or profit flashing a middle finger
or dabbing
tell me how thats notnhigh school skits lmao
pearl stratus
But they're more the comedy of having down syndrome fansimo.
balmy wolf
yeah but hes not like chipsa cocky
forest raven
Super has more of an online personality than dafran imo
balmy wolf
super is more than capable of recognizing greatness
fathom acorn
Dogman exists
balmy wolf
dropping in and out of mod again eh draw
forest raven
Nope I'm done
forest raven
Oh yeah I'm good
fathom acorn
Also chipsa is actually the worst
forest raven
I just don't play this game anymore and barely look at this server 
balmy wolf
on a player skill scale, personality scale, and a weight scale, chipsa is dogshit
fathom acorn
dies to literally anything
“Holy fuck this game is terrible that’s so OP”
balmy wolf
SO UNLUCKY
pearl stratus
Chipsa has never been that good.
Also he just looks like a Weight Watchers version of the Numa Numa kid.
fathom acorn
He called a fully charged zen with discord OP
Cause “it’s wall hacks and a 1 hit kill”
zenith linden
Remember Chipsa crying?
pearl stratus
98% of Streamers are dogshit at this game, even in GM.
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus god i hate how true that analogy is
ok so heres the thing
about streamers being bad
i will never ever ever call a streamer "bad" IF theyre capable of understanding that theyre not the best
i.e. karq
i genuinely love karqs personality and content and in general wholesomeness
and will always enjoy seeing him in games
pearl stratus
Karq, Calvin and Kabaji are really the only ones I can stand anymore.
pearl stratus
he is, but he also gets so hyped when he does something good.
zenith linden
Kabaji gives some helpfull tips
balmy wolf
kabaji is educational and can be funny, xqc is just funny, babybay has some personality but no one really likes him LUL, etc
pearl stratus
We're talking about GM streamers though
pearl stratus
xQc spends just as much time in masters 😛
balmy wolf
junkboy is hot trash
zenith linden
LOL
balmy wolf
aimbottz is hardstuck masters
pearl stratus
Rip Dhak.
balmy wolf
fran doesnt deserve anything above 3800
fathom acorn
What is frans rank?
pearl stratus
low gm masters, depends if she's stacking
hidden vault
Seagull?
fathom acorn
Seagull is the ocean
pearl stratus
Doesn't play OW.
fathom acorn
That’s how washed up he is
zenith linden
Did he quit?
balmy wolf
still the greatest seagull quote
pearl stratus
He didn't quit, he just barely plays OW.
hidden vault
Get him to mercy
pearl stratus
The biggest thing that annoyed me with Seagull
fathom acorn
He’s an apex streamer until apex dies
balmy wolf
he can mercy perfectly fine
balmy wolf
the only hero that he really cant play is tracer
pearl stratus
And kind of whined about the game.
balmy wolf
he never stacked on stream
hes been spotted off streams stacking
or in scrims often
pearl stratus
Because its fun
balmy wolf
I genuinely think All seagull did was make the problems with overwatch video and touches the game like rarely and basically dipped after the video got out
pearl stratus
I mean his points were all very valid.
balmy wolf
when he whined, he whined about it from a professionals point of view
pearl stratus
But he also fixed a lot of it when he stacked.
balmy wolf
they were all 100% valid and i still genuinely agree with
fathom acorn
I enjoy the fact that we are calling streamers bad even though like 99% of the people in this server will never be that good
balmy wolf
no he made the video I meant Draw
and then seemingly dipped a month later from the game
pearl stratus
The game is pretty garbage solo.
forest raven
Yeah because he wasn't enjoying it
balmy wolf
@fathom acorn im above a decent amount of them lmao and see a lot of them in my games, theyre mostly just high masters sometimes in gm
i.e. redshell
literal freelo
trim shadow
The game is pretty boring and garbage to play
pearl stratus
Redshell is just downs.
trim shadow
But that doesnt stop me from the esports scene
balmy wolf
MexQc
no ik but some of the problems he stated I saw from a jayne perspective like how about 60% of king of the hill maps are won by the team that caps first which he saw as a problem
balmy wolf
ok heres the controversial opinion i have
i dont care if youre bronze or owl
if you have a good personality/outlook on the game
i will call you a good player
Meh
fathom acorn
That’s a very good opinion
balmy wolf
I'd call that a good gamer rather than a good player
One is a good general mindset all around
im pretty active in comp/ow disc
The other is individual skill in a game
and i was coach here for a bit
Like I admire ppl in OWL cause it took a lot of skill to get there
but then there be ppl like effect
I recognize he's mechanically good
if youre incapable of understanding you can get better (hurr durr my teammates are bad) then i dont see a reason to be nice or refer to you in a nice manner
but his personality and ability to handle issues is shit
whether youre bronze or gm
give effect a cat
and hes fine
trim shadow
I dont know how anyone who isnt close minded can have a good outlook on overwatch or activision blizzard
balmy wolf
i still think seagulls video is perfectly fine, and i dont hold it against him at all
I don't even blame blizzard or overwatch or anything for the issues, any game that requires a good amount of teamwork for success in a game is going to be hell
i do believe that if the game improves in terms of playstyle, he'll return
the main thing about no hard counters especially
in the game currently, "hard counters" are too prominent to make the game fun
(basically sombra)
I don't mind Seagull's video but I'd like him to articulate the problems or arguments better cause half the issues he stated I couldn't consider valid
to be fair
some of blizzards nerfs
seem to be a direct influence from his video
i.e. bringing back soldiers kill burst
And you have to understand from my perspective, as a diamond player close to masters,
He dropped out of OWL to return to streaming and climbing then made a video about how he hates how disorganized comp is
however as an owl player, blizzard reps directly went to each player and asked for input on balance
karmic grotto
thats best thing to do yes
balmy wolf
i mean thats like a college student going to middle school and moving to high school
youll get everything right
but since you already understand everything, you can tell where the cracks in the system are
It appears to just look like a pro playing at the best tier and I'd argue the most fun of play then dropping out
and hating the quality of play once he dropped out
I'm not opposed to a role que at OWL but I'm very much against it at normal tiers
Seagull is genuinely a good positive dude
but I just can't stand behind him since his arguments made in the video weren't articulated well and he didn't offer any solution to it; Jayne and Surefour reacting to the video I stood more behind because they acknowledged it and went "Alright what is an actual issue, what are some solutions we could possibly do and what are some solutions that we can't do because it would hurt the game further"
yeah thats fair
And blizzard understands hard counters are a big no no but now they're moving away from it
balmy wolf
Like all the heroes they made thus far have been more or less skill reliant without hard counters
Ashe, Hammond, Baptiste, they don't necessarily hard counter anything and are imo very skill based to get value
Sombra I think they will eventually nerf her by increasing emp charge required cause it's too strong of an ult at higher tiers to charge that fast
But genuinely I think a role que for any rank would be awful and actually push players away in Overwatch;
My reasoning is that the amount of DPS players are heavily disproportionate to Tank and support players in OW
If you are going to enforce roles, then that means players will not be able to flex which I think is one of the strengths of Overwatch
So as a result of a role que, and people being selfish and playing the role they want to play, Que times would increase for dps players which is a good chunk of the playerbase, and even with role que the problems wouldn't be solved unless you were willing to implement 6 roles cause no team needs two main healers or two off tanks or two projectile dps players; it almost always requires a balance of each
And I'm opposed to it because it does stop goats but also triple dps comps with hammond where he is most effective
And then you'd have to basically put in 6 ranks for every profile which I do think is absurd
and if roles are not enforced
people will que up as tank or support and then only play dps to get into their games faster which would be even worse to the majority of the playerbase
vale pond
soft role queue with 1-1-1 is the absolute limit I will tolerate
95% of ladder is not goats so it isnt required for the game and stops creativity
balmy wolf
I'm not down to have an Ana Moira, Zarya, DVA, and Junk Pharah in my game fam
vale pond
and then even in OWL its looking like goats is phasing out and if you really need to then implement 1-1-1 minimum as a league rule
yeah neither am I
which is why its a stupid idea
silk fjord
Role queue is wild bc people WILL queue as support or tank and if roles aren’t enforced will most the time instalock dps
most the time it’s people that can’t play by themselves to keep their heads afloat
While yeah it’s a good feature for some
I’ve only had negative experiences with it
I don’t really play the game anymore because of it’s just not fun for me, but I do play widow lobbies from time to time
trail relic
what even is role queue
I haven't played since
OWL finals last year lol
or even before that
vale pond
Salty people whining about goats despite never playing it once in their lives want it gone
So they want to force 2-2-2 and implement queue by role
Which will screw creativity, swapping, and queue times (estimated 20min dps queue)
supple prism
Gotta get rid of my torb atl skin
vale pond
Keep it for the memory
supple prism
@vale pond they could add role q but only put them against other role q and still keep no role q option
So everyone shuts up
vale pond
That would fuck queue times by splitting players
It isnt being talked about anymore even
It was tried in some tourney and it was unpopular
supple prism
Only plays and lower cares for it anyway
vale pond
I’m high plat and I dont care for it
Its just an excuse people use to justify them sucking
supple prism
Yea but only the ends of the ranks have q time issues
supple prism
Bronze has a small percentage
You can split gold and plat in half and q would be fine
My preferred is to try a arcade comp mode with it first
vale pond
Or just dont try it because no one cares about it anymore
also bronze is like 12-15% of players iirc
balmy wolf
Some pro tier plays want it
Monte from the analyst desk wants it for pro play but I'm against it
I want to see Bumble Bee in action at pro play
vale pond
Who cares about monte’s opinion
Also bumble bee is worse than goats
Might be more interesting to watch but its misery to play agaisnt
balmy wolf
Lots of people, Monte is one of the spiciest and funniest casters/analyst they have; I just want to see bumble bee done once
vale pond
Monte is also the least informed
The other analysts made fun of him for it
Hes the guy the defended godsb’s reaper
And got ripped a new one for it
balmy wolf
he's also the most korean fanboy out of the entire roster; I'm not saying he's never wrong but I'm saying he knows more about the game on paper than some of the others. Bren picked Shanghai dragons almost, if not every single time they played last season and this season as well
vale pond
he does not lol
Also I’m thinking sideshow when I think actual analysis on the desk
And it doesnt stop monte’s opinion of 2-2-2 role queue from being wrong regardless
balmy wolf
it doesn't but that was his answer to the goat's problem in OWL cause monte doesn't give a shit about anything below contenders
balmy wolf
how to stop goats at OWL level? Implement a role que cause everyone performs top tier at their given role and things are far more organized that they don't have to worry about putting two off tanks together in a game
vale pond
or just balance the fucking game instead of limiting creativity
balmy wolf
at the lower stages it's ass and bad for the game
vale pond
its bad for the league too
Your bumblebee fetish will also be stopped too
as will any other unorthodox comp
The game devs have balanced it now
so let it be
Instead of trying to fuck the game
balmy wolf
It's not a fetish, i just haven't seen it done before and I'm intrigued by it;
Unorthodox comps are cool and fine but when they run rampant is the issue and the biggest complaint most viewers have of stage 1 was that they kept seeing majority goats
Goats is an unorthodox comp and they fixed it
vale pond
and now they balanced the game...
balmy wolf
and no one thought blizzard was just gonna go "Alright fuck it, we'll buff majority of the non goats characters" Since they were working super hard on nerfing goats for like the past 2-3 patches
supple prism
the hell is bumble bee
balmy wolf
Hammond with triple sniper
balmy wolf
More fun to watch than goats but that's subjective
vale pond
goats is interesting to watch just dont binge it
bumblebee will be hell to play
Support will be miserable again
balmy wolf
majority of the plays made is shatter bombs or grav bombs
vale pond
fights will just be brainless head clicking
supple prism
i didnt mind Goats, i understood what they were doing
vale pond
goats was boring if you watched 4 straight matches of it
supple prism
not for me
vale pond
Just take a break and come back to it
balmy wolf
which was majority if not every match that didn't involve chengdu
supple prism
i dont know why watching dps is any more fun than tanks or supports
vale pond
its because everyone thinks overwatch is a pure fps with flashy headclicking
Go play cs we dont want them here
balmy wolf
Cause DPS is the most popular category; I'm not saying it's more fun than the other roles, i get impressed every time jjonak does his thing but not every player is jjonak and mercy was boring to watch in the first season;
Also watching pine do that flanking widow thing on london was the funniest and best thing I've ever seen in OWL
vale pond
When dps do big brain stuff sure
But I can cite meko’s volskaya clutch
masaa’s boops
etc.
its the same
balmy wolf
Yea and those are great and I'd like to see those as well, including the dps plays
vale pond
And getting endless 2-2-2 is just as stale as endless goats
balmy wolf
majority of this stage has been grav bomb combos or shatter bomb combos
vale pond
So limiting comp options is a terrible idea
balmy wolf
which while impressive gets dull to watch when it's played literally every stage of every map thus far
vale pond
That is the same for 2-2-2
It has been blanced
We will likely only see it ok kings row and those maps
the rest will be dps and 2-2-2
Variety is good
Not forced one comp by rules
balance is the best way to solve problems
And if absolutely necessary a 1-1-1 not a 2-2-2
balmy wolf
2/2/2 is not as stale as goats
goats so far has run like 8 out of the 30 heroes available in the game
I'm expecting a return to dive and bunker which offers way more variety in heroes and playstyles than goats
balmy wolf
Dive and Bunker together in total
offer more than just goats
Rein, Zarya, DVA, Winston, Brig, Zen, Lucio, and Sombra are so far the only prevalent goat's combo's that have been run during stage 1
balmy wolf
Ana goats was never run, Moira goats was run like once if I remember correctly
supple prism
ana was run
balmy wolf
Ana was run but that was by seoul and not in a goats combo when they didn't have nano built up
supple prism
moira was used often form some teams when the enemy had a winston
gilded peak
But ana wasn't effective due to the amount of shields the enemy had
gilded peak
well, almost everything
balmy wolf
mhmm
gilded peak
Only time it was run was when DPS was on the map
balmy wolf
Now with bunker, the variations of what you can run is high af
gilded peak
whats bunker?
supple prism
orisa or rein with a bastion and what ever other crap you want
balmy wolf
Orisa comps that hold the point or high ground or the payload or choke
gilded peak
ah... I remember that was run so much in Junkertown
gilded peak
I want the good old dive back
balmy wolf
but bunker comps enable any number of dps combos
supple prism
its bunker just sitting on a payload
supple prism
double sniper you still use rein zarya
balmy wolf
or any combo as well
yea but it's way more useful in a bunker on the defense of a point
assuming ur not aiming for a grav dragon combo
vale pond
bunker comps are generally spam comps
any meta isnt "diverse"
2-2-2 is literally either dive or rein zarya ana lucio proj dps hiscan
supple prism
and i prefer to use sombra in place of a support
balmy wolf
or orisa bunker with hog/dva and any combination of dps and supports
minor flame
dive and goats
will be the dominant ones
bunker would be less dominant
like super said
we think that goats is dead
as he laughs
supple prism
possibly see more hammond though
balmy wolf
probably will; if not for bumble bee, probably for some other combination of dps
unreal venture
do you guys think dafran quitting owl jebait
supple prism
not sure if lying like that is allowed in OWL
balmy wolf
i don't think even that, most companies and businesses and orgs keep things in a very professional manner
they'd never allow that type of "jebait" on that otherwise it'd tarnish said account
if it was just Dafran's social
then yea maybe
but if it was on the official account no way they'd jebait that
minor flame
goats will ultimately be like 40% pick rate
but hammond
hammond is a doozy man
hammond will be one of the dominant main tanks
queen drift
Or sombra
supple prism
think watching OWL Goats is bad, try watching this Tournament of Future Champions Goats
fathom acorn
Astro in for dafran
supple prism
not exactly
balmy wolf
Does anyone have sparrow leagues discord server
balmy wolf
trim shadow
stage 2 power rankings
- san fran
- vancouver
3.nylx
4.guangzhou - la gladiators
6.chengdu
7.philly
8.london
9.seoul - toronto
- shanghai
12.hangzhou
13.dallas
14.atlanta/
- paris
- boston
- houston
18.washington - la valiant
- the dumpter fire that is florida
trim shadow
i just dont believe in nlaeer...i want to but i just dont...
vale pond
I disagree with charge
trim shadow
kyb shu and happy are pretty nut
hotba was average at best but his backline was doing work
thats why they even had a chance
too bad no one can beat vancouver in a goats meta...espect maybe san fran if they turned there monitors on for defense on rialto
vale pond
oof
vale pond
Time to support shanghai again
balmy wolf
I'm actually gonna look forward to it
seeing Carpe fight with Diem
gonna be a jolly old time
supple prism
charge that high?
trim shadow
I believ happy has the potential to be guangzhous carpe
Also im gonna swap washington and houston around
vale pond
Washington has a reasonably strong team now
2 ex nyxl players, some strong dps players, and a decent tank and support
trim shadow
Precisely
hidden vault
Is gido decent?
hidden vault
Meanwhile valiant hasn't fixed their shit
trim shadow
Whll washington make stage playoffs?
Unlikely but it would make for a nice turn around
not you florida your fucked
Valiant has a interm coach so a whole new coaching style so im not expecting them to return to season 1 stage 4 form any time soom
mint flower
if florida makes a stage playoffs, my brain will implode
minor flame
imagine putting seoul at 8
and putting guangzhou at 4
and san at 1
san at 1 is probably the most sketchy shit i seen
north tendon
yeah thats a bit of a weird list
vale pond
sf shock at 1 makes sense?
north tendon
no honestly
vale pond
While this isnt goats they are still a good team
vale pond
Reminder it isnt goats
London will be better but not the same
Nyxl will rise up again
north tendon
breaking news, we will have more goats
I dont think much will change
pros dont seem to either
super is one
north tendon
enough to be repetitive and obnoxious, imo
vale pond
prob 60 at first
north tendon
I hope im wrong
vale pond
Just only watch chengdu
north tendon
well thats precisely why I love that team
but I want more chengdu teams
not copycats
vale pond
We’ll see
north tendon
I think brig could use a nerf, or something with how aoe heals work
yea, her nerfs arent enough
if she sucks in 2-2-2 thats their own design fault
better leave her in the dumpster than ruin the game further
supple prism
brig isnt that bad
north tendon
no it would absolutely help in weakening goats
vale pond
She is no longer the problem
You havent even waited to see if it is enough
and you want to give brig her 21st neef
north tendon
it really doesnt look like it mang
vale pond
you havent seen anything...
north tendon
because she is a design failure
north tendon
they messed up so bad
north tendon
im saying they are trying to fix their disaster of a hero
vale pond
You’re overreacting to her
minor flame
has been one of the top teams in all metas
it will take some time to transition from 8 months of goats
but they havea history of being dominant
north tendon
we can wait, but I still think another brig nerf wouldnt hurt
vale pond
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vale pond
Another brig nerf is unecessary
minor flame
shes literally garbage
vale pond
^^
minor flame
out of 3 support
north tendon
I have seen it work
minor flame
the only way you would use her is if theyre going like
vale pond
brig is terrible in anything that isnt goats
minor flame
goats and defending against dive is the only good things
even then
you dont wanna lose that second slot to her
instead of trans of beat
or
supple prism
or speed or discords
supple prism
moira has range
vale pond
Moira is not comparable
supple prism
some
minor flame
you cant compare a main healer to a off healer lol
north tendon
I have seen a lot of people use moira when theres a main healer
im saying brig can take the spot
easily
minor flame
theyre fucking idiots then
north tendon
thats most of the ladder though
minor flame
ive only seen it work like twice
the only way ives een it work
is if its like hardcore
push in
to get a quick cap
minor flame
i play brig and i can tell you that she is not good
north tendon
she can provide more value than most zens on ladder who just die instantly
vale pond
Her heals are worse than lucios, she has no defensive ult, she has zero range,m
north tendon
shes a lot harder to kill
vale pond
She does not really
north tendon
because brig is too damn easy and forgiving
vale pond
Not anymore
north tendon
still is
supple prism
to the weak
vale pond
I feed a lot more now playing the same playstyle
minor flame
her sustain is noticably meh
supple prism
a short range stun
minor flame
a range literally worse than flashbang
vale pond
stun is on a cooldown and is short range, easy to dodge unless you’re garbage
minor flame
a stun literally worse than flashbang*
vale pond
she is only good for deterring bad tracers and hammonds and thats it now
minor flame
if youre facing genji winston
brig shows quality
tracer is more of a meh
but thats about it
north tendon
still think shes more than fine lol
played her also
but yes some comps with pharah and snipers can deter her
vale pond
clearly not
north tendon
but shes not bad or a throw pick
vale pond
all comps deter her
north tendon
nahhhhh
vale pond
She is a throw pick often
minor flame
brig is not god awful to have as a pick
north tendon
stop acting like shes in a bad state
north tendon
lol