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#esports-discussion
supple prism
hover over a player and a dropdown shows up with links to twitch and what not
each team has a page like this
mint flower
thx
supple prism
oh man, its only been 3 days since the playoffs ended. this week feels like forever.
compact topaz
Yess,denver nugget will win...i think
sullen berry
If you're feeling adventurous, they posted this with a title along the lines of "sick of 303 [GOATs]?"
strong cairn
didn't think Gamestop had any money left to invest into.. anything.
grim field
sand violet
Is there anyone saying he didn't?
balmy wolf
I am not saying he didn’t perform adequately but he very much is the weakest link in the entire vancouver titan’s roster; he does his job adequately so that the others can shine and pop off when they arent a good half the time peeling for his ass cause he wants to meme and look better than he actually is. You could legitimately trade him for any other korean main tank and they would be the same if not better
Also i dont like his jokes or the arrogance he flexes when he is the weakest link; he is the peter pettigrew of the mauraders that is vancouver titans
If anyone deserves even more recognition than him it would be Jjanu, genuinely I think he is the best DVA player in the word
At least in a goats meta
balmy wolf
Dude gets way more credit than he genuinely deserves
Bren on the analyst panel said it best; on any other team, bumper would be considered a feeder
Elk on a jayne stream, noting that as well as the stats
vale pond
he plays well because his team is so good
balmy wolf
And even super who played the best series of his life and was consistently the better main tank talked trash about him because he is better but vancouver’s support and peel for bumper is absurdly good
balmy wolf
Yea but it’s like very telling that vancouver wins a good chunk of fights even without him
I would say benbest
trim shadow
Bumper is litterally the shot caller on vancouver....
balmy wolf
Dude did not perform well at the world cup and did not perform well this stage in their best meta
Being a shotcaller doesnt make u a good player
If u wanna see a good shotcaller and a good rein
Look at fusions on boston
The man is insane
Genuinely the best rein in the west and the world
His monkey not so much sadly
His ball i have yet to see in not a stall
Also back to the shotcalling thing; you can very easily make bad shotcalls and be a stupid amount of drain on resources
Like all the meme shatters he fails when teams knew what to look out for
Idk benbest playing; it’s very clear to see that he is a massive issue for paris
Soon not picking up zarya at the tier the team needed of him was also an issue
But with probably snipers coming back it’s fine for him
Benbest on the other hand
Will be the death of paris eternal
Handsome lad but bad main tank
trim shadow
Being a shotcaller got vancouver to a 10-0 stage as a expansion team
Being as aggresive as he is set then up for a what 86% teamfight winrate when a man up
And bumper has the stats to back it up
balmy wolf
Bumper also when compared to most every other main tank is shittier by comparison
Team vancouver was team runaway and were playing goats at the closest professional setting which was korean contenders literally just before the league started up again where as most of the other teams were on their breaks trying to practice so they came in with an edge already;
What ur calling agressive I am calling reckless and the team fight wins that arent cause of his meme shatters is literally because of how much better and talented everyone else is at their job
Haksal shines on brigitte and thats super fucking hard to notice good brig play from adequate brig play
Jjanu eats gravs like bumper eats dumplings
Twilight is proto jjonak
Slime is just a sick af lucio player
hidden vault
You are missing seominsoo
pearl stratus
I think as long as you don't play like NYXL, which is like Sasha Gray on a dick, you're fine.
By which I mean it seems to all be going so well.
Then they choke and gag like crazy.
And you're kind of turned off.
balmy wolf
And seominsoo is just fucking good af on zarya
supple prism
Uhhh
hidden vault
No worries
pearl stratus
That's a perfect analogy and you all know it.
balmy wolf
I would if i knew who sasha grey was
hidden vault
Then why would runaway keep bumper?
supple prism
Not to me
pearl stratus
Because Bumper fits the team, despite bias.
balmy wolf
Cause they have a team thing where they said u sign us all up or get none of us
pearl stratus
You have to remember with Kaeore that logic is lost to bias in all of the extreme examples.
hidden vault
Then where does hooreg fit in?
hidden vault
And why not get a tank with the smae fit and better plays
balmy wolf
Yea ik i just didnt like bumper cause he doesnt seem particularly amazing or shines well; some pros are just there to fit a roll and not spark
hidden vault
Then keep bumper as the ultimate sub?
balmy wolf
Boombox on philly is an example
pearl stratus
You also massively downplay him because of your dislike.
balmy wolf
Cause they had paid for 8 members for team runaway
pearl stratus
He does stupid shit, sure, but he does some insane shit too.
Bumper refuses to not be the best Rein in every category.
Including botting out.
And yes, he does have an insane support structure but thats the same argument for most insane players. It's the same one you make for basically all of NYXL in Season 1.
We had Jjonak syndrome because his team let him play like that, they poured resources into him. Not every team could, or should, have done that.
So for Titans its Bumper Syndrome.
Being able to play Rein like a bot, but probably super fun way, because they really only had to play serious what..
Twice?
The whole stage.
Wait 3 times.
GZ, Chengdu, Shock.
So why not play like a moron if you're not even being forced to really try.
I mean fuck they put Bumper on Hanzo against Boston in the semi finals.
Thats how little they had to care/try.
balmy wolf
There are star players and there are adequate pro players I just genuinely think bumper falls into the adequate slot and only gets as much attention he does due to the flashy plays and due to the meta of stage 1 being so heavily reliant on tanks.
Star talent would be players like jjonak or carpe
Adequate being good enough to fill the slot is like boombox
Also sorry wifi died again
pearl stratus
Carpe is and isn't star talent.
Because he also comes with his own drama queen issues.
Such as Avast basically confirming that we'll never see Fragi and Carpe on the same roster.
Which hurt Philly in 3:3.
pearl stratus
It wasn't necessarily drama, and Avast can't (for his job reason) explain it more.
He just flat out said you will never see Fragi and Carpe on the same roster.
So my guess is Carpe only wants to play with Sado.
And the teams not going to say no.
green coyote
who Russian
pearl stratus
Which sucks because Sado is a much much worse 3:3 tank that the guy from the region that honed it.
balmy wolf
Gotcha but you do understand my argument about star players and adequate players right
Yea i agree
Was wondering about that
pearl stratus
Yeah but I can argue that Bumper can be considered a star player because main tank is a relatively new role for him.
balmy wolf
I wouldn’t be so sure; I havent seen enough of him make impressive plays that arent flank shatters
pearl stratus
Over Runaways history Bumper has played multiple roles, so he's got a weird style but it works with his team.
balmy wolf
Someone described it to me as “filled for what they needed”
pearl stratus
Thats how Runaway basically works.
He's been their main support, off-tank, main tank.
balmy wolf
Isnt he their only main tank now?
pearl stratus
Right now, yes. They've had people like Kaiser, Alpha etc.
balmy wolf
I'm expecting a resurgence in DPS cause I'm sure the DPS players want to play again
Tho I do wonder about how the line ups will change
pearl stratus
Bumper, Seominsoo, Stitch, Haksal, Slime, Twilight probably for Runaway.
balmy wolf
Sinatra is a great Zarya but I don't think they'll run him on zarya for every map and from what I remember in stage 1 he wasn't impressive
Or like
his debut wasn't as astounding as I was led to believe
pearl stratus
He was given way too high of an expectation, to be fair.
pearl stratus
Sinatraa played okay, not great, he picked up quickly.
His first two games were relatively meh.
Then he started to get into the rhythm of it.
But I expect Shock to probably go Architect + Rascal, depending on the hero met.
*meta.
Houston is about to get a giant power bump.
Since PTR Junkrat is silly.
balmy wolf
How often do the patches come in cause I'm not sure if we'll be seeing PTR Junkrat with that faster more reliable aim
pearl stratus
That one could hit, because its a relatively minor set of changes.
Patch timing is more about depth of content.
And that ones pretty small.
balmy wolf
I'd say Reaper's change to his teleport ability was massive
i dont think it'll make him meta by any means
pearl stratus
In terms of change yes, but in terms of big picture its still pretty small.
balmy wolf
but still
pearl stratus
Same with the Sym change.
It's actually a pretty huge change, but its also very minor at the same time.
Big on QoL, not on resources.
pearl stratus
So I could see this being on PTR for only a week or two.
It's really going to depend where the meta lands.
And what the meta for the bunker comps are, etc.
balmy wolf
Assuming it goes to bunker and dive most maps
pearl stratus
I trust Leggo when he says Bumblebee, since I've seen it a lot in scrims too.
And he's a collegiate player in Tesca.
So assume we've got Dive, Bunker, Bumblebee and some Goats.
balmy wolf
what is bumblebee? I haven't heard about this before
pearl stratus
Widow, Ashe, Hanzo, Hamster, Mercy, Baptiste.
balmy wolf
no no i got that
balmy wolf
like once u said triple sniper i pictured the support set up and i already knew the snipers
pearl stratus
So hamster creates a skeet shooting zone basically.
balmy wolf
just like
pearl stratus
And the Immo. Field is used, at long range, to buy Hamster enough time to get his new E.
Because Hammonds new E is OP as fuck.
trim shadow
welp well tank a world class rein player here in atlanta fraggi 
pearl stratus
It makes him play so much more fluidly.
balmy wolf
it feels so fluid and fun now
pearl stratus
It was very smart.
I think judging by that set up.
Shock and LAG are best "set up" for the new meta.
Whether they'll perform for it, we'll see.
balmy wolf
I kinda wanna see triple flanker be a thing cause genuinely I can't see Tracer working where Sombra would be better in traditional dive
pearl stratus
Tracer is still a much much higher damage output.
So it depends what you need.
The thing about something like Bumblebee or Dive is that your EMP doesn't ever really get to super efficient values.
Since its a non-clump comp.
Sombra plays more a role in Bunker/Goats.
balmy wolf
i think in terms of just diving, and with currently how fast emp charges i genuinely think an emp dive against a bunker with baptiste is probably what's going to happen
pearl stratus
Yeah, depending on the map.
For instance Numbani A I think Sombra is a bad pick against a bunker.
Because you can build the bunker into the walls.
Which means Sombra charging EMP is garbage.
You're better off brute forcing it.
balmy wolf
True
pearl stratus
For instance - Mei may make a comeback in anti-bunker on some maps.
balmy wolf
What maps would bumblbee be effective? I assume like the first point of Route 66?
pearl stratus
Places with variable high ground, basically anywhere we used to see double sniper.
Rialto, Kings Row A, etc, etc.
balmy wolf
So bunker would have to fight against bumble bee and dive cause i genuinely can't see bublebee working on defense
pearl stratus
I could see it working on defense on some maps.
I think you could make a case for Bumblebee on Kings Row A defense because you can set up so much cross fire depending on which high ground you utilize.
You've got limited sight, but high ground in the hotel hallway, then the standard hotel, then across the way. Ashe can also works just fine on the ground. So you can get into triangular shooting situations.
balmy wolf
i'm trying to come up with a work away to counter that on KR A and the immediate way would be to like just go triple dive tanks wouldn't it?
pearl stratus
Potentially. But do you split all your tanks or do you focus on diving one spot while leaving the other two open?
You'd probably want to go to the right through the gate, up onto that high ground and force that person to reposition.
Then to the building.
It's a lot of rotation time either way.
And all three snipers are mobile enough to get away and continue firing.
balmy wolf
It's true
then wouldn't the way you counter it be a bubble bee of your own and outclass with skill
pearl stratus
Or just a 2:2:2 double sniper, yeah.
Traditional dive would work too.
Bring back the Genji/Tracer.
balmy wolf
I desperately want triple flanker to be a thing
and also to be paris to be picked as the main go to map for 2cp but probs not
i expect temple of anubis to be the main go to
pearl stratus
It'll be in rotation a lot I feel.
Since its new.
Busan was in a lot as well when it was new.
balmy wolf
thanks for giving me hope
Tho with the new meta I feel effect would be in a lot of dallas and personally not a fan
balmy wolf
yeaaaa
i just wish effect got his mental things in order cause dude seems really unstable
I'm proud of Atlanta cause Dafran seemed the same way
and he seems to be doing really good if not better than before
pearl stratus
He seems to be in a better spot now, minus him being emo at being benched in goats because he's not a great Zarya.
balmy wolf
Poor Soon
could not transition well enough or fast enough
Bright side widow's probably making a comeback
queen drift
sephy is with atlanta so that probably helped a lot
balmy wolf
I mean I hope Paris picks up a different main tank
limber pine
BenBest isn't their issue
balmy wolf
I genuinely think benbest isn't gonna do well especially since this was his meta
limber pine
*main issue
hidden vault
I hope they will trade custa away from valiant 🙃
balmy wolf
No that's just a personal thing; they had a lot but Benbest in general was not stellar at the world cup and was not stellar in stage 1
and in the region that is known for the best main tanks
it feels like an oof
hidden vault
So we are talking about Paris?
balmy wolf
i mean i am
but only cause i like soon and kruise as people and soon did not perform well this stage
balmy wolf
honestly
If Paris had benbest
I mean Fusions Lol
I think they'd be the most oppressively strong Rein goats team
hidden vault
So you would trade benbest for fusions?
minor flame
Too bad thats not happening
balmy wolf
Soon didn't transition to Zarya as well as every other dps player did
which was weird
minor flame
Yeah cause you need good mechanics to be good as Zarya
balmy wolf
he's a good Tracer and a good widow
which in theory should have worked for him
but didnt
minor flame
God im gonna fucking hate double sniper next stage
balmy wolf
I, and many ppl like me, are going to take double sniper over goats, but also probably not just gonna be double sniper
i'm actually expecting a shit ton of variety
minor flame
I think itll just be dps dive
Cause thats literally what the meta is now
Also I find double sniper to be even worse than goats
Atleast as a player Goats is more exciting than double sniper as a dom meta
balmy wolf
Goats was Meta literally 2 weeks ago on live and just a couple days ago in OWL; It'll be bunker vs dive is what I'm suspecting but then again I find mechanical skill and duels more entertaining than which ones do their ults better at a better timing
ruby pendant
same, think double sniper is not good too. Would like a variety of comp to be played in matches, but that probably not happening soon! Don't want 1 dominate composition, that's all. Make others viable to use.
minor flame
Like yeah youll get excited the first 20 times
But then its just
Yadda yadda
Aim good
Superior gg
And I dont think you should out goats to not have mechanical skill
When its one of the most demanding metas for skill in teamplay
With baptiste
I doubt bunker even then will be a dom meta
Only in like a select few maps
But I dont see it being that effective than counter dive other than that
Also RIP Rein
Aggressivr Rein is like one of the most entertaining things to watch
balmy wolf
I think the meta dps is going to be Sombra, Junkrat, Genji, Tracer, Ashe, Hanzo, Widow, and McCree; Double sniper is a carefully done dance that basically spills insta death; Rein vs rein is a slug fest of which rein gets better peeled by their team; I enjoy the mechanical duels rather than seeing a hammer to the face; Goats does take skill and that was why it was so dominant in the ladder of GM for so long
but basically half a year of it was enough for most ppl
and for the health of the game and the popularity
ppl want change
also gtg class
minor flame
Yeah thats about all I expect from a dps dive meta
Double sniper is just boring after a while like goats
Same thing will happen, one or two hses decide fight
Rest of the team dives in
Aiming great as snipers is entertaining but as a dom meta it gets old quick
Thats why I didnt like later stages of s1
It was the same dive widow comp
Its hard to say Goats exactly damaged the playerbase too when 85% of games didnt even have goats
fast ember
I think sombra becomes significantly better in stage 2, being able to take duels and such
balmy wolf
No but it left the more die hard fans to leave and some of the higher tier players that influenced ppl but thats a lot of things and not just a goats thing
plus the game itself not doing much during the events was probably another contributing factor
if they don't do anything for archives
I think most of the player base is gonna feel bad and start losing touch with the game itself
minor flame
If youre talking about players like Seagull and xQc im pretty sure they just leave cause they didnt like the game anymore after like 2 years
I havent heard of any big influential players leaving solely because of Goats
Its not more say Goats causing people to leave its more like the lack of change Blizzard has put onto the game
In more of
The feature category
balmy wolf
XQC Left for just the game treating him more harshly than other ppl despite them intentionally ruining his games
Seagull Left cause he played at pro scene, went back to GM and noticed a quality lack of good gameplay and made counterarguments that I don't think were for the most part valid
also Apex was and still is huge rn
minor flame
I think xQc is a oddjob in of itself
Hes a nutcase on multi and sometimes gets himself in shit while vice versa also happens
I think he stopped enjoying ladder and took the ban to take a break
I think he still plays OW but hes more variety than now
Not really focused on a single game anymore
I havent watched Seagulls vid on OW but I probably have an idea that he ultimately got bored of ladder after no longer being pro
balmy wolf
Like from my perspective
he just came out the pro scene
and then complains about how comp games are shit
not his words, mine btw
and how he doesn't like hard counters like brig which was a bad design by blizzard's part but at the time it was the only way to stop tracer and genji's and dive in general from running rampant
I genuinely think he has a thing against Tracer in general
And he hates I guess KoH cause a stat said that if u won king of the hill first time around, you're 60% more likely to win the map as a whole
and I didn't see a problem with that
he did apparently
and didn't give any form of resolution
and then dipped and became what I'd consider a variety streamer
that's what I remember
Surefour and Jayne's reaction to his vid were better scripted and executed
That video made me like seagull less because i do think he is a good person
I do not think he's good at articulating arguments or speaking about issues since he can't articulate his argument in a better way
minor flame
Yeah I dont really like the whole hard hard counter niche design
Thats something I could agree with but its like
Its very difficult to balance around it
balmy wolf
that was a mistake and every hero since brig has been more skill based with faster charging ults that don't hard counter
idk u have to watch the video yourself
I think like over half of the arguments seagull made aren't valid
minor flame
I like that brig counters dive now
Without being so hard
Tracer can outplay tf outta her
I just dont like these types of vids
Especially like urnotjustin where he keeps making like vids on how ow is bad and dead and making like 2016 ow the best ow and nostalgiazing it
But I think I should listen to seagulls vid cause it seems like itll have actual more topics
supple prism
basically save pulse for brig
balmy wolf
idk who that is and he doesn't sound worth listening to
sand violet
@balmy wolf you could not insert just any decent MT and have Titans perform as well as they are
As much as you think it's "feeding" that level of aggression is something that is clearly very important to the Titans play style
If you tried to put in mano or gamsu or something the Titans would take a while to re-adjust and likely be weeker for a good bit for it
balmy wolf
They play around bumper, that is true cause he is main tank; Every game revolves around the main tank; I like majority of the Titans; Bumper is my only blind hatred
I genuinely don't believe that; I genuinely believe if you give them mano or gamsu and they'd be better for it
sand violet
They just wouldn't
Titans are all about their aggression
So they can hard int when they're ready
If you put in a tank who doesn't have that level of aggression and control on when to go aggressive you just lose cause you'll just get pushed in
The aggression is bumper's playstyle. Sometimes he dies for it but in the process of dying he's taking a ton of space and making the enemy team waste a ton of resources which is what the Titans take advantage of
fathom acorn
Seagull didn’t quit OW
balmy wolf
he's a variety streamer now
sand violet
Without that the rest of the Titans roster has to completely change their playstyles too
fathom acorn
Also XQC is bad
Like, the things he says and does and then he whines about getting banned
He throws, leaves, and is just generally a toxic person
He sends false reports to players he doesn’t like
sand violet
You're like a year and a half behind talking about things that happened like once and then never again
So many OWL pros have clips of false reporting for memes
And xqc's wasn't really a false report when he had that person on his team all day and clearly knew what was going to happen
sand violet
He literally just hasn't thrown
Since he got banned for playing bastion and jumping off
fathom acorn
Yes he has
And even if you wanna say he doesn’t, he still leaves and acts extremely toxic
balmy wolf
you trying to justify Bumper as this pinnacle god rein that only works for vancouver is greatly misplaced; Bumper doesn't do anything better than any other rein player does; from your argument it sounds like his playstyle as rein is what causes their victory but if you wanted an aggro rein player who is significantly better the of course Fissure; Aggression is a play style that can be played and taught just as reactionary and defensively are as well; Teams coordinate and talk a lot to eachother; I'm not saying bumper is bad, but I'm saying he is their weakest link that could easily be replaced by the star talent that the team has in the other 5 as of this current meta
sand violet
50% of the time he says something rude he doesn't say it in voice. The other 50% isn't anything truly toxic
He clearly does stuff better than other reins when he is 1st place in most rein statistics
balmy wolf
Cause of the drain in resources he has on his team; Super litterally whooped him in most of the stats at the finals
if your team is doing good which with the star talent of vancouver
balmy wolf
your stats will also be good
sand violet
Across all maps bumper had 4 less deaths than super and super had 2.5k more damage. If bumper had inted for 4 more deaths then he would even out that damage. The only stats super heavily out paced bumper on were finals blows which is irrelevant as a rein because you're cleaving and shatters landed HOWEVER the shatters that super landed DID NOT result in more kills
So the stat is useless
balmy wolf
Yea but thats not on bumper being good
thats on the rest of his team peeling and being good to eachother
sand violet
It's literally a play style difference with ults
balmy wolf
to not show strats probably
new meta and all
and they dont need to be scouted by the competition
balmy wolf
that too
solar olive
So when are the next set of matches/who are they?
limber pine
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
solar olive
Oh right forgot there was the schedule thing
supple prism
but there is a fun match today between charge and hunters
supple prism
oh, and the streamer showdown is in a couple min
balmy wolf
hey guys, i have never really watched overwatch league and want to get into it i dont want to watch 2018 but the 2019 plqaylist is messy could anyone help me out with the order that the games go in just take a look at 2019 full matches playlist and youll see what i mean
humble oriole
Hello i'm now in discord and is this group~~~
supple prism
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balmy wolf
tanks
trim shadow
Bruh
Dafran retired after one stage
And become a reign streamer
Im actually kinda upset
balmy wolf
ashen sedge
imagine starting in owl and only playing for like one month
fast basin
because hwe wont play again
ashen sedge
ud expect some level of dedication if you started playing owl
magic birch
lol
trim shadow
He says he wants togo back to streaming
But dude
You couldnt do a whole season first?
Like seagull?
ashen sedge
i mean kinda feels like you dont even try if you want to resign before playoffs even started
fast basin
he's dafran
ashen sedge
like then you didnt want to join owl in the first place
fast basin
he's kinda inconsistent, yeah?
shell snow
trim shadow
Thats really bullshit by dafran
And i was praying for him to pop off in stage 2
But nope i love twitch prime that much
limber pine
eh
karmic grotto
what the fuck
limber pine
Brad and him probably talked before the season started
play a stage and see how you feel
limber pine
I respect Dafran for making it through a whole stage without issues
trim shadow
Mann that fucks atlanta over
Now nlaeer and erster have weight on there shoulders
Gunna be extreme
Atlanta has no chance at end of season playoffs
That hurt as a atlanta fan
limber pine
yeah probably
limber pine
yeah they could pick up any flexible dps
trim shadow
Yea but dafran was wildcard who couldve been superstar dps or world class
So any contenders dps is a downgrade
umbral iron
dafran pepehands
trim shadow
Decent
limber pine
It's a shame Sugarfree isn't 18 for another 4 years
trim shadow
I dont know his dps hero pool
trim shadow
But signing perfact after they just signed him to the academy could be a disaster
balmy wolf
San Fran has a bunch
trim shadow
I was thinking the same
Go up to san fran and start putting bids down
Maybe snatch babybay
limber pine
why would signing perfact be a disaster
trim shadow
Or architect
Rascal
Could snatch pine if nyxl doesnt want him
Would be expensive
limber pine
uh no pine
karmic grotto
no?
limber pine
pine is inflexible
karmic grotto
hm
limber pine
and we don't know the meta yet
karmic grotto
you have any idea then?
limber pine
the only dps san fran is parting ways with is Babybay
which may still be a decent pickup
magic birch
watch atlanta lose 99% of its fans
limber pine
atlanta's team is still really good
magic birch
when is stage 2 starring
trim shadow
A decent support line
magic birch
4th right
analog lark
Personally i like San Fran Shock, used to be an LA valiant fan, but they dropped verbo
balmy wolf
Naw
I'd rather them not pick up Effect
Dude has enough issues and I see him more as a detriment than an asset
balmy wolf
I do think San Fran would be where u wanna go
karmic grotto
well not, but actually yes
analog lark
They have nlaaer
umbral iron
whos likely then?
umbral iron
Hot take for stage two: London come roaring back into form
karmic grotto
what possible contender players could go to ATL?
trim shadow
But nlaeer will have to play all of stage 2
Without a break
Contenders is full of goats
So its hard togo scout a dps and snatch em
balmy wolf
Stage 2 SEEMS to be a very DPS centric meta again or atleast more balanced than tank play meta
trim shadow
Or take players from other academys who have proven dps
analog lark
Chengdu is gonna rock in a dps meta, if stage 2 is a dps meta
balmy wolf
Yep
supple prism
looks like switching to being an atl streamer
fallen cloak
rip
fallen cloak
thought he would stick around for more than a stage
balmy wolf
Yea but if he doesn't want to stay then I respect him for taking the balls to leave
and if he let the team know before hand
magic zinc
feelsbadman never got to see him play anything not zarya
fallen cloak
man think off all the people with dafran atl jerseys now
balmy wolf
or twice
frozen musk
Rip I wanted to see the DPS play
balmy wolf
Genuinely tho
A lot of the teams should make a resurgence
I do wonder about their DPS line up now
fallen cloak
dafran would carry them through dps meta
i dont think they can rely on erster
and nlaaer
balmy wolf
Hey fam, now is not the time to think about what could have been
now is the time to think "well what they gonna do now"
And what the new meta shift will be
cause i do think this is gonna be a meta shift
karmic grotto
maybe not good enough
balmy wolf
I mean maybe he just couldn't handle it or maybe he didn't like scrimming for long hours or maybe he just didn't feel like he was good enough
So far all we know is he wanted to go back to streaming
the pro scene isn't the best if you're not mentally capable of handling it
Either way, better for him to quit while we love and remember him and that insane hollywood zarya play
fallen cloak
and god knows dafran is mentally unstable
trim shadow
@limber pine so perfact is 16
fallen cloak
if he wasnt already unstable enough i dont think those crushing defeats from teams like gladiator helped
limber pine
okay so no on perfact
balmy wolf
He's fine I don't think we can straight attribute it to the losses
I think it might just not have been what he wanted to do anymore
trim shadow
So nlaeer has to carry the load on dps
If cassories decides not togo out and buy a dps from another team
Or pick up a budget contender
fallen cloak
i think atl reign will be a low tier team now without dafran
its like selfless
it was trash
then boom
dafran comes in
one of the best teams in contenders
trim shadow
During pre season we looked like shit
limber pine
I hate to break it to you, but Dafran was just an okay zarya
trim shadow
Then daco and pokpo popped off
And dogman had his moments with kodak
But dafran topped us off
Now we dont have that top off
fallen cloak
youve taken the cherry off the top
hasty bison
Wait e-sports are still alive for this game?
limber pine
LNL
fallen cloak
what
limber pine
Last Night's Leftovers
fallen cloak
oh
limber pine
It's actually where a lot of ATL Academy came from
fallen cloak
same place nlaaer came from right?
balmy wolf
Dafran was a good Zarya, just could not for the life of him do gravs well
Poor Sugarfree
Having to wait another 4 years before being able to play
trim shadow
Thats if he cares to play ow professionally that long
balmy wolf
I mean, that's a lot of investment and time eaten up to not play
trim shadow
Retire is word saved for ppl like seagull
And silk
Whos made contributions to ow esports
balmy wolf
Silk I still blame on the chinese orgs
limber pine
Contributions to OW esports is subjective
trim shadow
Yess but still
limber pine
Dafran retiring from OWL is no different than Seagull. You can't say different because one was more liked than the other
balmy wolf
Also Seagull I don't remember any particular noteworthy plays
Dafran's Grav on Hollywood from sky high
That will go down as one of the best plays ever
Right alongside LA Gladiator's fake out on Kings Row
solar trout
Pardon the memes, but this dafran I'm reacting to, so you'll have to excuse me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PdXIHGvMpk
trim shadow
Perfectly timed
fallen cloak
dafran fed poko gravs for breakfast
balmy wolf
Yea
Dafran's tracking and ult charge gain was insane
but the dude could not grav well
fallen cloak
april 1 is 3 days away..so..im hoping this is a jebait but idk why they would bait it
fun fact pine wanted to do professional tennis but sustained a hand injury and stopped
balmy wolf
SBB wanted to do bowling but quit cause it wasn't his thing
warm quartz
fallen cloak
at least hes still an atl streamer
karmic grotto
Oh well, ATL will be my team at heart but for now it
Lemme see what other team I can cheer for
Still waiting for Sparks big plays but this meta doesn't seem very suited for them
Also not much time to practice
jagged crater
IM SAD but it wasnt all for naught
at least dafran gave it a try and did good during his short time
i would've loved to see how he could've done during a more dps centric meta
balmy wolf
im happy for dafran
hes doing something that makes him happy
and he did it in a mature manner
a true redemption arc
mhmm
karmic grotto
Leggo to replace Dafran? 
♿
vale pond
At least he is still streaming for them
balmy wolf
i can be a good benchwarmer
reign sign me up
dude im not even close to contenders level
jagged crater
you can be a streamer
like fran :))
fran dafran show
did xqc or dafran play more games on stage?
fathom acorn
Retired from Atlanta
mint flower
retired*
fathom acorn
So he could focus on streaming
hidden vault
Well played Atlanta
fathom acorn
I kinda expected this cause he talked a few times about the stress of being a pro on stream
hidden vault
Get dafran for a stage
fathom acorn
And how he almost quit mid stage
hidden vault
To get the support
fathom acorn
He’s still an Atlanta streamer
Just not a pro player
They’ll probably find someone to fill his spot
Maybe Fran
mint flower
Fran and Dafran are both streamers for Atlanta correct?
hidden vault
They alr have a back up for dafran
I suspected they picked up dafran for a stage
For maybe a season
Expected him to quit
Then the back up was him being a streamer
Still get the support of dafran's fans
mint flower
This has probably been brought up before, but what do you guys think of the possible Fusions trade between Boston and LAV?
Or is it just a rumor?
hidden vault
I don't think it was going though the bos and lav trade
So much backslash from fans
minor flame
Bos and Lav trade shut down long ago no?
And I actually think Bos was making a right move
Fusions is a rein main
New meta
Rein is gonna be as obscure as winston was last season
mint flower
winston was obscure last season?
I remember a lot more winston than rein...
or mayb or just being dumb
minor flame
Rein is gonna be as obscure as winston was last stage *****
Bos has axxiom but its like Fate is a much better pick since hes actually decent on rein and good at winston at the same time
Val was prob the one to shut it down in theory
molten skiff
is he atlant reign streamer now?
or independent
because iirc
fran is also an atlanta reign streamer
sullen berry
@trim shadow colourhex and fusions, btw
trim shadow
For atlanta or?
sullen berry
They were put into Uprising academy having not played much for Boston
trim shadow
And i dont think pokpo wants to leave daco
molten skiff
fusions?
sullen berry
It can't be a disaster unless they aren't ready to take on a stage of strong competition
molten skiff
back in academy?
sullen berry
I'm predating the start of the season
Colourhex was in Toronto esports, Fusions was still in UK at the time
molten skiff
toronto esports lawl
haughty rose
OWL is not watchable now, goats is boring
minor flame
OWL is not watchable now, there are no games this week
i dont get going on just to say this and then never go on again to say anything
supple prism
they should have played 9 games a stage
minor flame
thats prob gonna like make 2 more weeks per stage
balmy wolf
The way they did matches was very odd; before they did 40 games and that basically was super stressful and caused burnout from the players so they lowered it to 28
minor flame
i think the main reason its lowered to 28 is to even out the teams though
balmy wolf
that too, never thought about that thank you
I didn't like the way they did the semifinals/finals in Season 1
where it was 1 day matches folowed by the second day with two matches on the second day
I thought that was an extremely poor lapse in judgement
queen drift
fuck why do Guxue and Super have to be in the same division
minor flame
wdym
queen drift
i wanted to have Guxue vs Super but I forgot HZS and SFS are in the saem division
allstars
minor flame
lmao
you know i saw a reddit post replying to like
Guxues monkey is insane
and its like
yeah his monkey is good but sado fate super axxiom are probably better than his winston
queen drift
you can probably argue sado/fate/super
not really based off last season
wait fate transferred didnt he
queen drift
yeah i meant like in general
winston specifically hm
guxue is probably best in the league imho
queen drift
individually I think he's better than Mano
I think in team play mano is much better
but i'd be curious to see how Guxue performed on a top team
minor flame
well firstly
hes chinese so being on a top team means either kr or eng
so it might already be hard for him to be top in a team
queen drift
I know
queen drift
I don't think many main tanks shot call
in owl at least
ahh fusions does i believe
minor flame
Fissure
queen drift
not Jecse?
balmy wolf
It is a feels bad
like genuinely
I feel bad for Washington as a whole
Valiant as well
minor flame
if Jecse was shotcalling
i dont think they would be that aggressive
well Ark is a very good shotcaller
so you never know maybe WAS might be better than FL
queen drift
I think Washingtons main problem is Wizardhyeong
was is still better than fl imho lol
balmy wolf
I just think Florida is cursed
balmy wolf
I was going to bring that up but thank u for bringing that up for me
queen drift
Washington don't actually have a horrible team on paper
Ado, Gido, Janus, Ark, Sansam
trim shadow
Lets have a moment of silence for mumas winston
supple prism
?
supple prism
what happened with him
vale pond
bad lul
trim shadow
He retired i think
Basically he couldnt adapt to changing metas
That what i got out of it
balmy wolf
Muma is a better orisa than any other main tank from what I've seen
but granted he only ran it this stage on illios well
vale pond
thats literally the only map she is viable on aside from junkertown lol
balmy wolf
ik but he does it better than any other orisa and also I'm not particularly amazed by his rein or winston play
lucid skiff
so is dafran retiring a jebait or for real
ruby pendant
@lucid skiff looks real
balmy wolf
probs real
supple prism
being their streamer apparently
balmy wolf
i dont think the atlanta reign themselves would post a jebait on dafran's behalf since they are a professional team
vale pond
likely real
balmy wolf
I really do wish the korean pros would have an english subtitles type person editing their videos on youtube so that I could actually understand instead of trying to pick up from reference
vale pond
jjonak does it occasionally
balmy wolf
yea but they're like one word things like "what" instead of like full games of just subtitles
idk i think it'd be a good way for the korean gamers to "interact" with their american players
SBB speaks understandable english
idk maybe years of watching anime has taught me to read quickly
vale pond
Masaa has a youtube
sand violet
SBB speaks good English
lucid skiff
hes awesome
trim shadow
Effect has english translations from time
upper niche
You know, I wonder if paying a translator would result in enough viewers on YouTube to pay for itself.
Would a popular streamer/player gain enough subs/views for the increase in views from ad revenue pay for itself.
supple prism
i dont know the numbers
upper niche
30k subs gives you a ballpark figure of about $6500/pa for a weekly video.
supple prism
damn
vale pond
do streamers live in team house?
supple prism
thats because of OWL
balmy wolf
super is in owl... hes notnprimarily a streamer
the term "team" house implies theyre on a team
queen drift
Aren’t Emongg and Fran in one?
Then some of the broadcast talent is, bren sideshow reinforce and xQc for a while
supple prism
they are team streamers
balmy wolf
those are apartments
supple prism
OWL teams have a literal house
vale pond
my question was primarily with dafran in mind
Will he move
bc like he had a good living situation all ow related stress aside
upper niche
where's he living? LA?
vale pond
All teams live in la yes
@lucid skiff thats not part of the deal generally
How nice the house is has no impact
vale pond
He streams w them so maybe
mint flower
whens the trade window opening and closing?
supple prism
oh man, there are people in OWL who were born after 2000
mint flower
ok... and?
supple prism
@mint flower last year it was from feb 11 to april 3 but that was all before stage 3 started
i cant find info for this year
but i imagine it would function the same?
mint flower
As long we get some heavy trades, I'm happy
supple prism
as in open at the end of stage 1 and closes before the start of stage 3
hidden vault
Why don't they allow trades only between stages lol
hidden vault
Then how do they determine the trade windows?
supple prism
i have no idea
upper niche
There's a lot about OWL that needs tweaking.
A big problem with stages is that the prizemoney is pretty insignificant.
Like, a $500k pool once every six weeks? Whoopdidoo. Fortnite has a $1m tourney every week.
supple prism
yea, where did all this hundreds of millions of dollars go
wasnt it a 40m buy in for each team
minor flame
the big diff is that fortnite is making 1m easily than ow
supple prism
OW also gets ad money
minor flame
and fortnite can actually afford to have these tourneys and still profit because streamers
supple prism
both also got the cosmetics store shit
soft zinc
Kinda shitty that dafran retired.
@upper niche Fortnite also sells $20 skins pretty much daily. Some of them are even ripped from different games.
upper niche
wait what, dafran retired? already??
balmy wolf
which i mean good for him
i'd rather hear him retire early than be miserable and be a big problem to the community as a whole
hidden vault
But what about atlanta now?
balmy wolf
Atlanta will be worse off but if he let them know like before hand then I think all parties are fine and good
They have two other dps on the team and if they need another person they can always just pick up someone on San Fran
god knows they got dps to spare
minor flame
to be totally honest
dafran aim was really good
but his mechanics on zarya is easily replacable
but i dont think his dps skill can be replaced that easily
balmy wolf
Dafran's weakest part on Zarya was his grav useage
And I agree, I don't think it'll be easy but they'll have to make due
hidden vault
They already have a back up player for dafran
NLaaeR
And the reign management probably already figured Dafran might quit anytime
slow walrus
dafran almost quit in like december according to his stream
minor flame
i forgot nlaaer existed
slow walrus
it's almost a miracle they got him to stay for this long
minor flame
i think its kind of a dick move
to sign up for a team knowing the precautions
and then leaving so soon like
7 fucking games
slow walrus
dafran has always been unstable. it's not professional but it's dafran
if they expected otherwise then atlanta management were fools
he did far worse on other teams lol
balmy wolf
I don't think Dafran would just quit immediately
they must have talked to him about this before
Like "Hey man you have to let us know if you're going to quit on us before the end of the season" And he probably said he would and they made prep work to figure out what to do and junk
proper cove
Dafran retired, what a joke
wintry kraken
at least he was not fired and banned unlike xQc
placid bough
upper niche
@balmy wolf He did. He told them before the season even started, and he made the decision before the end of Stage 1.
sullen berry
fran-dafran streaming duo in atlanta reign
hidden vault
Atlanta reign has 3 streamers
fathom acorn
How can you have a pro league for a game that’s rng?
hidden vault
PUBG
fathom acorn
Also I think the difference is OWL players are given housing, food, and insurance + a yearly salary
But I have no idea how “pro” fortnite works
It should also be recognized that fortnite makes the most money of every game. It has a massive child fanbase that impulsively buy every $20 skin they release
hidden vault
Overwatch has a more sustainable fan base compared to Fortnite
fathom acorn
That’s also true
Fortnites one of those games that’s gonna completely collapse
And it’s already begun
pearl stratus
@limber pine Do you remember how long our bet was for?
I think I said end of stage 2 for Dafran quitting
Fortnite, btw, is better on an individual level. Not a team one.
So its a very dividing e-sport because someone like Tfue just makes all they money.
Everyone else kind of fucks off.
queen drift
Streamers esport
pearl stratus
It's the same as Apex etc. It's more a streamer sport than something people will continue to want to tune into compared to more organized things. It's great for downtime, but at the end of the day its 90% pub stomps
Could you imagine how boring all the Apex streams would be if it was MMR based.
And suddenly every game was tough as shit, and not just Shroud or Dizzy getting 20+ kills as they slaughter potatoes?
fathom acorn
People: we don’t like goats is boring
Also people: we like a game that’s 80-95% running around doing nothing and 20-5% actual action