So we see torb sym bastion from atlanta?
#esports-discussion
vale pond
cedar drum
I wanna see more sym in stage 2
A lot more sym.
Pls meme teams, Reign and Hunters, answer my prayers pls.
toxic pasture
hunters is unironically a top 10 team
balmy wolf
Hmmm idk they were the only one who really showed dps so ofcourse they are gonna look good on those when we see dps gods return to their old form again they will be outclassed they will probably be midtier around 11/12
hidden vault
That's when they will goats
fathom acorn
So I just realized
Titans had the first undefeated stage
On their first stage in OWL
forest raven
Boston had an undefeated stage last year
trim shadow
Cant wait to see paris map played
mint turtle
Goats will still be a thing
It'll be run on its stronger maps
And they wont give up something they practiced for over half a year so quickly
tight zephyr
Holy shit
You guys see philly is building the fusion an arena next to the phillies stadium.....starting this summer
The renderings are amazing
mint turtle
Damn
tight zephyr
Im def gettinf season tickets
mint turtle
Be pretty pog to be a philly streamer/player rn
tight zephyr
Im like 5 min subway ride from there
mint turtle
Gonna have a training area too
Wonder if it'll be open to the public
Go take pics when it's open 
tight zephyr
In that area is where all the phillies, sixers and flyers play
And now the fusion
So you will have citizens bank park, wells fargo center and now fusion arena in the same area. Along with a brand new casino they are putting in there and xfinity live. A restaurant/bar hub
That area is booming
mint turtle
alpine timber
Awesome, quite jealous tho
trim shadow
Bostons arena is gonna be over the top
Depending on how much of a budget robert kraft will alow
pearl stratus
Bostons already used the TD Garden as well. So they have potential to just help influence that too.
It was converted for a weekend for LoL.
limber pine
Couldn't they also use the building that houses PAX East?
pearl stratus
They could, though honestly that center is in kind of a fuckey area.
Since its more towards the Seaport you end up losing a bit of the identity of the city - It was moved there strictly because of size issues.
TD Garden is where the Bruins and Celtics play, so its arguably more of the 'iconic' boston sporting experience. Not that the Convention and Exhibition Center is bad.
Garden is also pre-set up with food and merch vendor spacing etc, etc.
On the opposite side though since its already home to two sports teams finding the time for it to be empty for OW would be much harder.
trim shadow
i wonder how new york will build there stadium
pearl stratus
I think most metro areas, especially east coast, may try and find places to coexist rather than build new.
Building new is going to be comcast expensive, and some areas (Boston/New York) just don't have the space.
trim shadow
new york is one of the most congested american cities in the world
so yea i can see that
pearl stratus
I could see NYXL trying to work with a college for space.
Since they seem to want to do stuff with the collegiate league.
pearl stratus
They did that already.
But collegiate is cost efficient for everyone
Also creates less useless people.
trim shadow
itd be cool if they tried to establish a program to train players in new york colleges so that they can play in contenders and owl
pearl stratus
There's more than a few schools in the US offering e-sports scholarships now.
What if a college just picked up Fusion Uni for instance.
The only thing that it hurts on that end is the young young kids.
But at least the contenders players, a large majority of which will never make it to the OWL would have a backup.
ruby pendant
still too risky to go to school for e-sports
It's better, don't get me wrong, but wouldn't do it.
Not sure if e-sports conditions are similar to sports scholarships, so you can easily lose them as well if that's the case.
pearl stratus
Still better than just failing in contenders and going back to McDonalds after.
ruby pendant
pearl stratus
Because Contenders is big enough thats a lot of people that don't have a single back up plan.
Then cry that they're already poor
trim shadow
i think only academy players get paid a decent amount
limber pine
minimum salary is 50k
pearl stratus
We only know the minimum.
pearl stratus
It's safe to assume most people make more than that.
Like rumors were abound since season 1 that all of NYXL is over 6 figures.
But nothing confirmed
mint turtle
That's probably for players that have large social media influence too idk
I'd bet dafran earns 6 figures
trim shadow
rumor has it most of bostons players are minimum salary
trim shadow
if the fate ksf and fusion trade goes through fusions buyout is probably around 175k
fathom acorn
They also get housing, food, and insurance all covered too
+whatever money the org makes
opaque lagoon
Sinatraa is the only one I know the number of
gentle shuttle
damn all the ogs are long gone from this server huh
limber pine
idk what that means
gentle shuttle
polo, sojum, reb ect
think i saw exxu the other day in one of the channels
eu contendies playoffs on live patch. Might watch if it means hurricane's in and danedd gets to pop off on doom+sombra comps
glacial laurel
im so excited for the fusion arena omg
gentle shuttle
oo sup
trim shadow
i stopped watching contenders cause of goats lol
gentle shuttle
yeah same
owl too
i dont think jeffs team really care about metas based on what they say
toxic yacht
What was your old name I don't recognise you aaaa
gentle shuttle
zoro
gentle shuttle
the commissioner dude seems to be the only one who cares about metas as far as owl
wudduppp
toxic yacht
Yeah polo muted the channel and left the server for a while, he's back but not active
Reb also left, rejoined but isn't active
I kinda stopped writing around contenders S1 and completely stopped during OWL
toxic yacht
Dude, how about 2016
toxic yacht
I still remember when you guys wanted me to skip food, showering and go to sleep super late because the open was my first LAN and you wanted me to watch
lmao
toxic yacht
Fnatic and Misfits just spamming mei reaper
toxic yacht
BUDS REAPER
trim shadow
jeff has basically hinted at the fact he doesnt care about the meta
and you can tell with how they threw the reaper buff at us
gentle shuttle
in that interview with that girl he fully just made it clear
game needs a new dev team
ppl are sold on this daddy pappa jeff shit tho so
trim shadow
800 people lost there jobs at blizzard but somehow jeff is lead designer
or head developer
gentle shuttle
least esports channel ppl aren't delusional like ow chann
its prolly too late for any of that though
trim shadow
i blame activsion
gentle shuttle
idk
pearl stratus
I blame fans a lot too.
gentle shuttle
is there anything concrete on them being the cause for stuff
pearl stratus
Because they're most all fucking retarded.
Every meta gets old and gets whined about. It's insanity to keep getting upset at it.
trim shadow
i dont know what it is with modern day gaming communities like ow thinking there game is perfect and flawless
pearl stratus
It's not that. Dev's are too scared to tell people to shut the fuck up.
When its a perfectly fine response.
Gamers are literally the worst people on the planet minus hate groups.
Self entitled, insanely whiny, incredibly socially unaware.
They're fucking trash people.
fathom acorn
Fortnite and apex fans are saying their game is dead
Shows the intelligence of gaming fans
pearl stratus
Nothing is ever perfect, but rants and whines and threats aren't conducive to anything.
fathom acorn
“We aren’t number 1 on twitch, therefore we are dead”
trim shadow
90% of todays gamer population are about as toxic as feminist
pearl stratus
Yet there's a million and a half threads like: "THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK TO FIX THE GAME"
Here's a hint.
trim shadow
this was lower back in the early 2000s
fathom acorn
BTC thought we should get a hard counter to goats
Remember the last hard counter meta character?
pearl stratus
"Just buff reaper damage by 80%, make his teleport instant, and let him turn into a tomahawk missile for an ult."
fathom acorn
That the entire community wanted?
gentle shuttle
i mean
fathom acorn
Yeah
pearl stratus
"God. How didn't Jeff think of this"
fathom acorn
Me too
spring heath
how do u big bros know all this stuff about people
gentle shuttle
did the community ask for brig specifcally though
fathom acorn
You asked for a hard counter
gentle shuttle
they failed with the dive answer
trim shadow
i have been playing games since i could walk
gentle shuttle
i didn't ask for anything
pearl stratus
The community has the average SR of 12.
trim shadow
ive seen many communities
gentle shuttle
coz dive doesn't bother me
pearl stratus
To be fair.
gentle shuttle
and it never has
fathom acorn
Do you really think a hard counter WONT be OP?
spring heath
im being sarcastic
trim shadow
and ive seen how toxic they get and feel self entitlted
pearl stratus
Brig was balanced way before the last three rounds of nerfs.
To the point that right now, outside of 3:3, she's insanely underpowered.
trim shadow
she doesnt need one
pearl stratus
Also the community got doomfist nerfed because they're too shit to communicate.
trim shadow
the moment brig came is the moment trace was balanced
pearl stratus
Literally they got a hero nerfed because they don't want to talk.
fathom acorn
He’s back now at least
gentle shuttle
its just a scrubby community because the game since the start has always catered to a casual demo
keen wasp
gentle shuttle
injustice gifs monkaS
pearl stratus
The thing is people always think their SR is every SR.
Like Reaper nerfs or buffs.
You know the best way to nerf Reaper?
fathom acorn
I like Jayne philosophy
pearl stratus
Stop being shit and get higher SR.
The higher your SR, the lower the Reaper pickrate.
There you go.
you nerfed reaper.
fathom acorn
If your bad and can’t counter the reaper, you don’t deserve to counter the reaper
pearl stratus
The one thing I will always say to is there's no "hard" counters.
fathom acorn
Brig was
gentle shuttle
there sorta is
fathom acorn
Until her nerfs
pearl stratus
A tracer wouldn't die to a Brig if they were smart. It was just the armor on everyone else.
Even the Tracer eraser combo - it just caught bad ones.
gentle shuttle
sombra's hack is still way overtuned
fathom acorn
Not really
fathom acorn
It takes a long time
pearl stratus
Like how does Soldier forget how to run, but other people can still do a bunch of random stuff?
Like does it give Soldier Alzheimers?
fathom acorn
No
trim shadow
dementia
fathom acorn
He has robo legs
pearl stratus
I believe they fixed it so that Bap can no longer high jump while hacked.
trim shadow
that doesnt make him forget how to run
pearl stratus
On PTR for a bit he still could
fathom acorn
It means he can’t run with us robo legs
fathom acorn
Hanzo has robo hands
trim shadow
robo legs cant even be hackable cause there attached to ligaments
pearl stratus
Just inconsistent.
trim shadow
not by technology
fathom acorn
We’re trying to make sense of a game with a robo hamster
pearl stratus
There's a few ults that don't care if you hack them either.
As long as the buttons already been pushed the ability continues.
I believe Visor is one of them.
But others like coalescence shut down instantly.
trim shadow
coalescence is just a lets start the teamfight abilitiy
it lowkey should get a increased radius
pearl stratus
Coalescence is a prayer that their Widow is a potato.
Though playing Moira when the other team has a widow is already potato.
But yeah, at the end of the day I still think the community is the biggest issue with OW
fathom acorn
Playing Moira is potato
trim shadow
whats the point of playing moira anyway besides like being a budget zenyetta
pearl stratus
Over devs, balance or anything.
They want OWL games, without OWL balancing and without OWL communication.
And Blizzard is stuck there like "You motherfuckers. You can't turn off team chat and expect to be the Shock."
A game entirely about teamwork and communication and 70% of the population wants the game balanced without that in mind.
It's baffling.
trim shadow
i would dare say overwatch was doomed from the start
pearl stratus
It's not doomed, because its professional play will always be good.
trim shadow
a 6 person hero shooter that is mostly teambased in a society that are most wannabe edgy introverts
pearl stratus
Because professionals actually managed the spirit of the game quiet well.
trim shadow
owl and apex made it releveant with also real life city maps and real life characters to cultures
pearl stratus
My favorite is like..
People in gold think 2/2/2 will save them.
You could literally run 6 supports and win in Gold if you communicate.
queen drift
So philly have put in $70million on JUST a franchise and arena MINIMUM, not including player costs, salaries, staff, equipment.. THEIR HOUSE??
I’m really interested to know if this is profitable for them
And if yes, how much
queen drift
Cuz that’s insane
I know
These expenses are directly for fusion tho so I don’t see a problem saying ‘philly (the brand) spent x amount on x)
pearl stratus
My guess would be its future proofing.
Because its not just OWL anymore.
They can rent the space to other games (LoL/CSGO) and use it for the upcoming CoD league.
Which will operate the same as Blizzard, necessitating a home arena.
trim shadow
dont forget concerts
pearl stratus
Don't forget Comcast just went partners with SK Telecom. So they have partial ownership of SK Telecom T1 which just won LCK, and all their other e-sport ventures.
Including also their Fortnite Team, Apex Team, Smash Brothers Team, Hearthstone and a few more.
trim shadow
even there korean ased
pearl stratus
trim shadow
im surpised sk telecom isnt sponsoring hangzhou or like guangzhou
pearl stratus
They wanted US presence.
Comcast has the money for it.
They're primarily operating out of Seoul, Philly, and LA.
Hence - Arena.
Gen.G has been proving that having a 'global' group is really successful, I think.
trim shadow
watch gen g give seoul a 125million dollar stadium
i dont even know if you can do that in the capital of korea
well im stupid
theres a fuck ton of esports venue in seoul
trim shadow
so i just found out today that florida is based in miami
trim shadow
@fallen cloak i said that cause i was wondering where florida will build there arena
trim shadow
by 2020 nate is moving all teams tot heir home market
someone on the reign discord brought this up and i could see misfits tryna get a spot in this venue
and on the website the mayhem says there based in miami but i doubt misfits will go hardcore on a venue
fallen cloak
i saw a thing about fusion building a 50 mil dollar arena i think
trim shadow
yah they plan to start in summer and i hope they can finish by next season
balmy wolf
trim shadow
epic
karmic grotto
balmy wolf
supple prism
i cant read that
gentle shuttle
thats coz it was designed by every single myspace graphic designer at once
trim shadow
Lets put it this way just beacsue you win contenders kr and looked good in a show vs team kr does not mean you are an owl level team @supple prism
Ill say vancouver was the best goats team
But most owl teams are skilled in different metas so vancouver still has to prove theyre good in a dps meta
gentle shuttle
its crazy how the europeans went from the best goats players in WC
and kr came and figured shit out
as per usual
supple prism
figured shit out? they kinda started it
outer sluice
goats dead
mint flower
fleet walrus
Sayaplayer still stuck or no
gentle shuttle
just gonna be a sombra/widow influenced next meta since they're both overtuned af
gonna be just as resident sleeper
minor flame
widow isnt overtuned
and its mostly gonna be 3 dps dive
i do think double sniper meta and widow 1v1 is resident sleeper though as meta
dominant atleast
vale pond
widow to be fair is overtuned in the right hands
but I hate playing against snipers so I might be biased
snipers are less fun to play against than goats change my mind
cyan basalt
ionic hemlock
what patch is contenders playing on?
does anyone know?
dire comet
Chicken contendies are up
fast basin
trim shadow
So reaper just got a stupid buff
He can now shadow step air
Is invisible
And its time to exit is now 0.5 instead of 1
vale pond
Perfectly reasonable lol
Made the shittiest ability in the game into a usable one
Makes him viable now
trim shadow
Makes bronze-gold games hell
Cause now reaper can easy engage
Shits gonna be funny in owl
shadow step into a deathblossom
whipes a team full of professionals
vale pond
You act like cc doesnt exist
Blossom is a terrible ult in terms if being easy to counter
vale pond
His proj speed is 25% faster not his fire rate
trim shadow
In exchange for bouncing less and exploding faster
trim shadow
I can hear a grinning zacharee and jake
vale pond
These have been good changed lately
Oh yeah good junks are gonna have a field day
but less bs which is nice
trim shadow
Blizzard forsaw the bunker bullshit
vale pond
Altho the tire nerf is kind of much but he still gets it fast
bunker can still be countered
D matrix still exists
Adding more counters to various comps is still good tho
trim shadow
Theese buffs are clearly for pro and contenders level players
And i wonder if itll come in as a hotfix before stage 2
vale pond
These actuallt arent
Junk buff maybe but the nerf part is anti silver bullshit spam
Reaper buff is all across the board
fathom acorn
I’m surprised we’re getting another set of nerfs/buffs so soon
Blizzard is really turning it up
And once again these are changes I think help the game a lot
hidden vault
We might see more repaer in pro play
lucid skiff
anyone see fusion arena?
placid bough
Would someone mind helping in a tournament/League ? We have a special concept around PUGs.
We could use promotion,supervisor,event manager and caster.
plush iris
random fulcrum
i always read his name as 'gabriel eyes' like a cheesy romance
ruby pendant
@lucid skiff nope, why is there something special about it?
gentle shuttle
Reaper was meta
Even before beyblade meta he got played on certain maps like kings row
Back before ppl realised he succ
balmy wolf
reaper was meta a few times
he was playing in original world cup and in beyblade
and in shotgun comps
lucid skiff
@ruby pendant take a look bro... it looks so awesome!!
jagged crater
If he ever wants to go pro in gaming again, he'd have to find something he enjoys. OW prob isn't his style to consider going pro in
trim shadow
ye
near shadow
Does anyone else actually enjoy watching goats or am I some satanic person.
pearl stratus
Most people dont' mind as much as the loud people do.
Just remember that upset people are on average 10x more likely to be obnoxious.
Goes for everything.
balmy wolf
I don't enjoy it cause dps are super fun to watch
I don't expect goats to be played much except for KoH maps
pearl stratus
Upset with customer service? You're 10x more likely to hear about it as they fuckboi around on yelp/twitter.
balmy wolf
some teams are gonna dip a pinkie toe in the water
pearl stratus
Just the nature of people.
balmy wolf
others will dive head first into a new meta
and it'll be glorious
mainly cause i want to see vancouver suck and fail cause bumper is not a good main tank and him not having the peel of like 2 other members of his team would be nice and show that
near shadow
Seriously though bumper is awful
pearl stratus
If you think Vancouver is going to fail in a dps meta you're about to get shocked just as much.
The teams existed through every meta in the last three years.
They'll be fine.
pearl stratus
Teams like Dallas, Boston and Atlanta are going to be the ones who suffer most likely.
Because they have massively imbalanced DPS rosters.
balmy wolf
Most teams are very dps oriented
London is going to make a resurgence
Paris i still expect to suck
pearl stratus
Dallas for instance, still only has hitscan dps covered.
balmy wolf
Benbest is so bad
near shadow
Mangachu and water were great pickups for Dallas but noooooo
near shadow
Lmao
balmy wolf
Effect is such a shit dude
near shadow
Is he?
balmy wolf
mechanically he's good
pearl stratus
Yeah he's crazy young.
balmy wolf
but like personality wise he's so fucking annoying to hear about
near shadow
Water is 20 he’s older than the Shocks Alien 👽
pearl stratus
Oh wait, wrong water.
Also I wouldn't want to be a Korean on Dallas.
Track history and all.
near shadow
haha
pearl stratus
Dallas has AKM on Hitscan, Effect on Hitscan.
And Zacharee on..
I don't know.
He sucks at everything.
Maybe Doomfist?
Atlanta has ...
Erster and Tracer.
near shadow
Dafran is most known for Solider and his McCree is great too.
balmy wolf
I need to see vancouver suck so much dick
to be beaten into submission so ppl stop praising bumper
pearl stratus
See you next season.
balmy wolf
Jjanu is the real star on that team
pearl stratus
If you ignore Slime and Twilight.
And DPS meta means Stitch will be off the bench.
near shadow
Shock, New York and Titans I expect to be strong in stage two with DPS favoured comps. Haksal, Nenne, Striker, Stitch
balmy wolf
Vancouver has a lot of stars but I just personally think Jjanu is fine
Striker can suck a dick dude
pearl stratus
Shock, New York, Titans.
balmy wolf
Best Tracer AND Widowmaker my fucking ass
pearl stratus
Shanghai, Guangzhou and Chengdu should also show up.
pearl stratus
Shanghai and Guangzhou should both abuse Widow, would be my guess.
Since minus Carpe none of the prior league Widows can keep up with Diem/Happy.
balmy wolf
I kinda expect bunker with double sniper vs Sombra dive
i can't think of a good 2/2/2 comp anymore
near shadow
Strikers widow is awful, his tracer is the only hero he’s really good at. Sinatra’s and Rascal will most likely be starters but for widows they’re screwed, I’ve personally not watched enough runaway to know they’re widow skills
balmy wolf
that isn't dive or bunker oriented
pearl stratus
Striker has one of the better Junkrats, honestly. As much as people meme Junkrat.
And with Junkrats new PTR changes
pearl stratus
He's going to get a boost in pick rate for defense maps.
balmy wolf
and the one time we saw him play widow this stage
he looked awful
it was on busan
ppl hype him up
Tracer he's good
but I don't consider him the best
pearl stratus
Minus the new people he's the best Tracer in the league without a star power roster to build him the space.
Ignoring that is just ignorance squared.
limber pine
so who would play junkrat for SFS: Architect or Striker?
near shadow
balmy wolf
I need to see new play for Tracer before I call the judgement mainly cause I have such a hard bias against Striker
balmy wolf
Sadly I don't think Tracer is going to be in the Meta this stage
near shadow
Can The alien even play Widow McCree or S76?
balmy wolf
Sombra just does Tracer's job better in a lot of instances
pearl stratus
She only would be if they reverted her bomb damage.
balmy wolf
why would u play s76?
pearl stratus
Because the pulse bomb would be the bunker breaker.
You wouldn't, even post buff he's still weak.
pearl stratus
Unless you're willing to constantly runt he Ana for Nano Visor.
Pre-nerf Bomb could kill a bastion in turret form.
Thats what you needed to break bunkers.
Right now it doesn't.
So its useless.
balmy wolf
I don't think the bomb is going to be enough cause I imagine most bunkers are going to play baptiste
near shadow
Yeah S76 is useless unless your Dafran or Akm playing masters 😂
pearl stratus
Baptiste is so underpowered compared to what people think.
balmy wolf
and I'd argue more people would rather play sombra for a reliable emp dive
No IK but for the purpose of surviving a pulse bomb and burst healing back the team
i think he does the job well
which is why sombra works even more since emp stops him entirely
near shadow
Isn’t Rascal or Architect fucking amazing in Sombra?
pearl stratus
Rascal is a really good Sombra, so is Architect.
Right now every team minus the ones with mediocre DPS has a good Sombra.
near shadow
Who holds the best Sombra in Vancouver?
pearl stratus
Depending on D'vas state Dallas is saved by rCK, with a back up AKM.
Stitch will most likely cover Sombra.
balmy wolf
bright side dps make a comeback so that's more entertaining than a goats
pearl stratus
With Seominsoo and Haksal rotating on Projectile duty.
balmy wolf
god i need bumper to eat shit
pearl stratus
Yeah, he just has a good McCree too.
He's a weird like.. Pharah Hanzo McCree etc.
Haksal is more the Genji/Doomfist type.
With Hooreg and Stitch being more on the hitscan.
balmy wolf
I dont see doomfist making his way back into a staple pick in OWL
pearl stratus
His new cooldowns are actually pretty strong.
Map dependent though.
Like he's really strong on Point A Paris.
near shadow
Can decay play any Hitscan or was his Zarya just better than S4
balmy wolf
I think so as well but i dont think it's strong enough to bring him back for a whole match
I am going to enjoy paris
it's my favorite map
pearl stratus
Decay is all the hitscans.
balmy wolf
as much as ppl hate 2cp
near shadow
Wtf can’t decay play
pearl stratus
He's not a great projectile he's more like..
He's like Profit, tbh.
Good tracer, good widow, good Genji.
near shadow
Ahh so Hitscan with Hanson and Genji
pearl stratus
He wasn't the primary widow for KDP though.
So I could see S4 still playing Widow.
near shadow
I really wanted to see s4
pearl stratus
Decay was just a vastly better Zarya.
balmy wolf
alright new topic, what dps are making their way into the meta and who is probably going to pop off and impress everybody?
the most i mean
The one everyone looks at
pearl stratus
I expect Shanghai and Chengdu to continue surprising people.
A DPS meta suits both rosters so much better.
Also I expect Philly v Shanghai to be a Widow match for all 4 maps.
balmy wolf
So since u seem very knowledgable endoken
Who do you expect to Run with widow if a team chooses to go double sniper? Hanzo or Ashe?
pearl stratus
Depends on defensive comps.
If D'va is still there (which I expect she will be)
Hanzo.
Ashe loses too much value when you can eat dynamite.
And running Widow + Ashe leaves nothing to be eaten BUT dynamite.
pearl stratus
I like Ashe, I think she's very strong.
I think her kit is very very easy to counter.
pearl stratus
I hover at Masters, but I honestly stopped playing since the Division 2 came out.
balmy wolf
I'm chilling on the border of diamond and masters
3479, 3 different torb one tricks stopped my climb at the end of the season
blissful robin
I prefer Hanzo over Ashe because of his ability to do a lot of burst damage with his ability
balmy wolf
I mean same argument, DVA would eat up his storm arrows or in the while that he holds it she can get out of his los and avoid damage
hanzo i feel u go for on the grounds of his sonic cause ashe does more dmg and personally
Bob>dragons
blissful robin
Ashe can’t one shot though right
spring heath
nup two shot
lunar dome
she can one shot tracer and baby dva tho and she can one shot 200 hp heroes while damage boosted i think
vapid granite
Depends on how far away you are. She can't be as punishing at a range as widow and hanzo
lunar dome
true
spring heath
she can one shot tracer with damage boost???????? ???
spring heath
how much damage does she do with headshot
lunar dome
honestly idk but i know u can combo scoped headshot with mele to kill a 200 hp hero so more than 180 or exactly 180
or 170
but i think its 180
lunar dome
np
spring heath
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here
an ADS headshot is not enough to one-shot 200 HP enemies, dealing only 170 damage. However, if Ashe is being damage boosted (by a Mercy or Orisa's Supercharger) or the target has an Orb of Discord on them, it will deal enough damage to one-shot.
:))
lunar dome
ye
vapid granite
Don't forget applification matrix
lunar dome
that fucking doubles u can oneshot a bastion with that
vapid granite
You can oneshot anyone if you're a damage boosted widow shooting through amp matrix
lunar dome
u can oneshot an ulting winston if ur shooting through matrix while nanoed and damage boosted while the winston is discorded
lunar dome
yes it is that will never happen in a game
balmy wolf
She can one shot headshot if you're running her with bunker comp and with a mercy since baptiste almost guarantees a free rez and with mercy comes the damage boost
I think she'll be very powerful on like hybrid first point maps like kings row and numbani
but for longer sight lines it'll probably be hanzo and widow
pearl stratus
I doubt you'd replace the Junkrat that you tend to run for bunker with the Bastion.
Bunker will most likely end up as Orissa/Rein (depending on map), D'va, Junk, Bastion, Mercy, Baptiste.
Normally you'd see a hog in place of D'va but with Immo Field and the current counters of bunker you want the D'va.
Especially since Immo field is above shield height.
vapid granite
won't teams just run soats against bunker comp?
pearl stratus
Goats wouldn't last provided Baptiste can charge ult, which is quickly.
On the Pro pugs they rank 5 tanks 1 Baptiste and tried to break up an Orissa Bastion.
Bastion killed all five tanks in about 4 seconds with Amp. Matrix.
Now if they had EMP up, sure.
But charging EMP against a bunker is harder than you'd think.
vapid granite
Well if you coordinate with your team then u can apply pressure from both sides. Sombra pressuring from the back and the rest of goats from the front
pearl stratus
You're assuming there's a back.
vapid granite
True
pearl stratus
If there's a bunker comp you don't have a backside.
Your backside is a wall.
Now if you're talking pirate ship, then yes.
vapid granite
But running a bunker comp is still prone to failing
pearl stratus
Within reason, yes.
vapid granite
Immortality field will be above the orisa shield
pearl stratus
The bigger reason is McCree more than Sombra right now.
Yeah bunker is going to need to run a D'va.
To matrix the field
So it gets used.
pearl stratus
I'm expecting: Orissa, D'va, Bastion, Junkrat (especially with new changes), Mercy, Baptiste.
vapid granite
That'll still be a map specific comp
vapid granite
It'll make some points damn near uncappable tho if run well
pearl stratus
Rein would be a stronger bunker if they have a McCree.
And more mobile.
Orissa is more damage/control.
vapid granite
What stops a team from flanking around the bunker and just rushing onto it?
Using corners/side-alleys to let rein shield recharge
And speed boost to walk straight onto the bunker
As teams have done in the past
pearl stratus
Bunker positioning will be key. I see it more used on things like Numbani A, etc. Where you can set up a natural defense from multiple sides.
Also new junkrat with faster projectiles/less bounces will be able to deny space much more accurately.
vapid granite
where would u set up tho? attacking team can just rush past the underside of building onto the stairs and challenge u on the high gorund
vale pond
junk would actually be far better at attacking high ground
since he can make use of smaller bounces to use walls more effectively
balmy flower
if nyxl lost to skd in the playoffs why doesnt it show up in their record? https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/standings/season/2019/league
minor flame
skd?
uneven wren
playoffs don't count towards regular season records
vale pond
xl is still undefeated omegalul
trim shadow
Anyword on the boston LA trade
supple prism
I wanna start seeing some bastion sym comps
gilded peak
Finally finished watching the stage 1 finals. Caster felt very biased.
sullen berry
Shock hype was very real
gilded peak
Not sure because Shock was the underdog
Was map 7 decided by the loser on map 6 or was that random?
sullen berry
well for a best of 4
gilded peak
I noticed whatever maps Shock picked, they struggled the victory. But whatever map Titans picked, they steamrolled them.
sullen berry
Titans were put on their toes for a lot of team fights in both maps that they chose too
gilded peak
While true, they didn't struggle as much as Shock when they picked
Like Numbani, that was a full hold there. And Titans picked it
Though, Shocks Dva saved them twice.
gilded peak
Hopefully we'll see NYXL not choke, lol
sullen berry
if the meta fits
gilded peak
Is the Stage 2 update really going to change the meta much?
supple prism
We dont know
gilded peak
Because GOATS existed since Stage 4 but was not utilized compared to now. Since it was still unknown to the pros
supple prism
People are predicting 3 dps comps for some reason
gilded peak
Like the 2CP maps? That only works on attack though.
supple prism
I didnt really do research
trim shadow
Vancouver most likely will keep doing goara
Cause thats all theyve dome
Goats*
And paris might try to force it
tulip ridge
The titans did run a bunker comp in Ilios Well
trim shadow
Against who
hidden vault
Paris did well at the start but went down later
I wonder why
The leak was probably served as a test to the communities's reaction
Even the players said it would turn out badly
Was probably why the orgs didn't want to go through with it especially valiant
tulip ridge
@trim shadow don't know if it's bunker comp, but they did run Orisa Mcree instead of Rein Zarya against the Shock and Charge
trim shadow
It was to get early cap percentage then
agile hare
Damn I’m late to the party this season
supple prism
did paris do well at the start or did they just play teams that turned out to be weak?
tulip ridge
@supple prism Played team that were weak
Honestly the hype likely came from beating the S1 champions London Spitfire and also beating the Glads, but Spitfire lost to Shanghai and Gladiators needed a lot of work which they fix later.
The hype ended after getting clapped by Titans and Reign. Also losing badly to Seoul and Fusion
vale pond
Spitfire were overrated
Also lost to shanghai is no longer a bad thing honestly
They are a relatively strong team
sharp kindle
What would people say is the worst team now that shanghai is pretty good? I say Washington Justice
I hardly ever saw them win
trim shadow
Spitefire is just bad at goata
Theyll make a comeback in a dps meta
Florida is the worst team right now
lavish condor
Let's see, i hope in stage 2, the meta changed
Im getting bore watching goats meta haha
vale pond
@trim shadow I’d argue no since they took one of of fusion
They and justice are tied for worst
Also allstar voting started
Jjonak masaa pair lets go
We can have the big brain zen and the reddit lucio together
upper niche
Chengdu are pretty random.
And I would certainly put Houston a long way down the rankings.
I mean Houston beat Hangzou, Florida and LAV - and only just.
vale pond
Yeah not too impressive
vale pond
me neither they just arent great
trim shadow
Only good person on that team is jake and muma from time to@time
They get really nutty
But like spree is a NA kruise
trim shadow
Houston had a easy stage 1
That hangzhou win was a upset
I dont know what happened to hangzhou
trim shadow
Even if the meta changes it will just be season 1 houston all over again
Mediocore
Boston will take a tumble to
Because lets trade away striker
vale pond
oof
Justice will pull ahead of mayhem now that they have a decent amount of talent base and a meta shift
lets just hope their management doesnt fuck them
Because janus ark ado and corey are supposed to he quite good
And with a more dps focused meta they could shine a bit
trim shadow
Sansam was also popping off against paris
vale pond
support line is iffy but still
trim shadow
So hes looking like a good offtank
vale pond
sansam is inconsistent but has potential
Staggered too much a bit on dva
Altho thats more on his team
vale pond
tru that
Glads are looking very good now
Beating atlanta was a start
they will be tough
trim shadow
Either san fran or gladiators will join the undefeated ranks with new york
vale pond
I disagree
trim shadow
I dont believe in seominsoo and haksal and hotba to keep vancouvers winstreak alive
vale pond
But they will be like 6-1 or 5-2 consistently
Vancouver will drop to the top of the middle
trim shadow
Hotba is on guangzhou im@drunk
trim shadow
Twilight is main support ithink
Bumper will fall off if rein isnt meta
He doesnt look comfterable on winston
And orisa has less movement penalty
vale pond
twilight is flex support
Plays zen
bumper can play rein like hes winston wym
He already does
Or he can play hanzo
absolute chad lol
that was a huge meme
trim shadow
Fuck i forgot about baptiste
vale pond
bappo will be in a weird spot
vale pond
He could be played by the main or flex support
trim shadow
But then s o m b r a
vale pond
Sombra wont be as good with goats gone
I can see bap/lucio or bap/zen being a valid comp for the support ults
Or bap brig/mercy honestly too
He kind of goes with everyone
it would take testing
On whats viable
trim shadow
Apperantly lucio is dummy broken now
vale pond
Lucio main and will say hell no lol
His wallride is slightly better, his ground speed and boost is much worse, and his boop is better
not rlly broken
Just more divey
And not so much goats
trim shadow
Lijang is gonna be hard to retake with the way lucios boop works now
vale pond
Not rlly
The counterplay is the same
just dont put youself in a position to get booped
The boop distance is relatively similar in that situation
undone nymph
Yo totally new. Whats the best way for joining a local ow comp team?
vale pond
#lf-players-na @undone nymph
undone nymph
Thx
vale pond
Also wym by totally new @undone nymph
undone nymph
To discord/comp in general. Didn't want hazing for a 'dumb question'. I don't party anymore so I figured time to get back to what I did best as a kid. Kicked ass in video games lmao
Can't believe CS is still a thing. Bonkers thinking I've played that game for like 16 years 0_0
vale pond
okay
If you are new to ow in general I’d suggest learning the game before trying to join a team
undone nymph
Haha nah. At least 400hrs consol/100pc
But that is a fantastic suggestion ;D
someone join and let me know if my music is too loud
idle beacon
damn massive
so any news of what meta they're gonna try in stage2?
beani va beanie
balmy wolf
The meta is probably gonna be bunker vs Dive with the variants that come with it while goats is gonna be still run on specific maps
idle beacon
bunker = oriosa,road and stuff ?
cedar drum
That stage 1 final was so good
I have been severely craving new OWL matches since yesterday
Like waiting one more week is gonna be hard
idle beacon
@cedar drum watch vods
cedar drum
It's not as fun as watching live
Especially cause I probably remember the results of most matches from stage 1
idle beacon
well you still don't know how SD has beaten nyxl
you only know that nyxl lost 😃
@cedar drum
or have you seen that match?
balmy wolf
We do know
Nenne took the most risky af grav in OWL history, Anamo fucked up by using sound barrier at the wrong time (granted there was no guarantee they were going to take the second point but it was a higher chance of success if he didn't) on Hollywood, And Michelle was an absolute monster on Sombra despite Jjonak doing the most and best I've ever seen a pro player do solo
I personally think NYXL underestimated Seoul and they choked but I still love the boys
I do want to see vancouver eat so much dick
Just because of Bumper
sullen berry
bumper's trash talk though
gotta give Danny credit that it always comes off family friendly
balmy wolf
He is one of the more bottom tier main tanks that gets peeled and supported so hard by his team
I genuinely believe you could replace him with any Korean OWL level rein player and there would be no difference
Most of vancouver's power comes from the other 5 members being so astonishingly good
sullen berry
insane how you might think that. could you sub him for Guxue in some alternate reality all star matchup? yeah sure
you're probably thinking putting taimou in there would make him look good
balmy wolf
And then there's Bumper, the Peter Petigrew in that team of marauders; Trying to show off with Meme shatters cause he know's he can't usually win the rein battles single handedly without being such a stupid drain on resources to his entire team
He genuinely is the weakest link and I appreciate Bren, Elk, and Super saying this too
Bren, one of the british casters, Analyzing the vancouver plays and outright pointing out that on any other team, Bumper would be a feeder
Elk, from Philly on a Jayne stream even concluding he's not a top tier rein
And Super, Even though they lost the finals, every stat and performance can be seen that he out performed Bumper hard while being a less drain on resources from his team like Bumper was
forest raven
Super shattered bumper's mental
balmy wolf
Bumper is an Adequate main tank and is by no means the best in any regard; Jjanu tho is an extremely good DVA and I'd argue the best and Haksal just is phenomenal on brig canceling ults; It takes a lot of skill to make looking good on Brig specifically
forest raven
I'd say the players on Shock and Titans were relatively even in the series besides Haksal and Rascal
balmy wolf
I'd say I'm happy to just leave stage 1 goats behind and enter stage 2 with very likely more DPS plays
forest raven
Haksal pulled off some series winning shit with brig
balmy wolf
It'll be nice to see Bumper eat shit once he doesn't have the support of 5 other ppl backing and peeling his ass up constantly
Haksal is extremly impressive; I genuinely like most of Vancouver with the Exception of Bumper and my hatred of Bumper outweighs my like and admiration for that entire team
forest raven
I think bumper plays like not-a-coward because he knows how good the support is from the rest of his team
balmy wolf
I think he's just extremely used to the Peel and the fact that they played korean contenders which was nothing but goats immediately before OWL started giving them a massive leg up over the other teams
But Stage 2 should be a fun time
forest raven
If it does turn out to be heavily dps oriented Haksal and Stitch are gonna fuckin pound
balmy wolf
I'm expecting something along the lines of bunker comps vs dive
or triple dps
So something along the lines of
Dive: Winston, DVA, Genji, Sombra
Bunker: Orisa, Hog/DVA, Widow/Bastion/Torb/Junkrat/Sombra/Ashe/Hanzo
The support lines I feel are so odd right now with the nerfs, and introduction of Baptiste
Triple DPS being also weird cause originally it was used to take goats on certain maps but with goats falling out of meta this means the change in the comp is also needed cause you wouldn't wanna run the normal triple dps into a double sniper bunker comp
I do suspect goats to be run on Kings row first point attack
and other hybrid maps
And a good chunk of the KoH maps
pearl stratus
Kaeore not to point this out from your earlier expectation.
But NYXL lost Rialto because of Jjonak.
No one else.
queen drift
Quad dps is really strong right now
But it’s getting fucked vs bunker with Orisa
Bastion Orisa shreds quad dps
balmy wolf
They also Won Volskya because of Jjonak and I'd say he did a fairly good job fending off Michelle and that being a constant, I'd say Nenne's grav was the ultimate tipping factor of giving Seoul the win
pearl stratus
They would have won the push two minutes prior if he hadn't potato'd a way too early trans.
That ended midpush and allowed Seoul to spawn advantage win the push.
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus Are you talking about point B or Point C
pearl stratus
C.
They reached the main choke with two minutes left.
With no one close to dying Jjonak popped a very early trans and tried to use it to push point when they already had an advantage.
balmy wolf
I'm looking at it right now;
pearl stratus
It achieved nothing, they got pushed out by spawn advantage and it let Seoul get an ult advantage.
And they never recovered.
balmy wolf
Jjonak transed the second he saw fissure's Shatter animation going through in an attempt to keep his team in the fight
Keeping it at 6v6
the more prominant comps im seeing in scrims close to contenders scene is triple dps with mercy/zen, quad dps, bunker comp, bumblebee, and snoats
like the very second Fissure's shatter went through, Jjonak transed keeping his team up through the shatter and Anamo was relatively close to a barrier so they were probably they'd be able to get barrier up for the next role through and they managed to kill fissure first; Which should have resulted in a win since they didn't think Michelle's EMP would go up from 70% to full use after the fight was in their heads over since they killed fissure leading toa 6v5
pearl stratus
Bumblebee is at least visually exciting.
balmy wolf
not very fun to play against tbh
I'm genuinely watching it now and I don't think Jjonak made the wrong call
especially in mirror
goats is most typically run on maps that are mei heavy like lijiang or hanamura
pearl stratus
No one cares about how fun it is, just how it looks!
balmy wolf
thats fair
the widow duels are back
@balmy wolf Bumblebee is Mercy/Bap/Hammond/Widow/Ashe/Hanzo
(Bumblebee is the mercy flying in between them)
pearl stratus
For an e-sports stage Bumblebee will be one of the ones people think is exciting.
Then hate three weeks in
Then cry about for 6 months.
Damage boost.
Ashe with boost gets to one shot 200 HP heroes with headshot. Hanzo and Widow are self explanatory
balmy wolf
^
also to be fair
double sniper meta was whined about via players, the spectators didnt mind it
bap heals from high ground
Naw Triple sniper would not be worth
hammond slams for headshot setups
pearl stratus
And can keep a roaming hammond alive.
Since Immo Field can be thrown like a damn frisbee forever.
balmy wolf
the 2 seconds it gives you is enough to buy timenfor hammonds next E
balmy wolf
nope
pearl stratus
I figured not, but that'd be an interesting interaction for anti-clear.
I was honestly expecting a 3:1:2 to show up too.
With triple dive tanks.
balmy wolf
Is the 1 a genji or sombra
pearl stratus
Honestly, Widow would probably be best in it.
tawny sigil
3/3 role lock... fuck dps... go play CS:GO if you want to play DPS
That's Jeff's true utopian vision
trim shadow
Pretty much
tawny sigil
what are the chances that i search custa news network 2 minutes after the last videow as uploaded
only reason i did that is cause someone was named costa in my game and i thought ... oh yeah i wonder if there is a new video
what are the CHANCES
balmy wolf
Yeah
fathom acorn
Oh so this is what they were doing instead of training for playoffs
It all makes sense now
upper niche
Wrecking Ball practice.
outer cypress
sandbagging practice
balmy wolf
sbb was actually a former semi pro korean bowler
supple prism
they just cant stop steal shit from us lazy Americans can they
now i hear they can bowl
umbral egret
anyone wanted the sfs to win except me
supple prism
i did
umbral egret
sinatraa was good, but bumper was better
supple prism
hell im probaby gonna get the shock rein skin
umbral egret
i think that super was too aggressive
trim shadow
No one is gonna beat vancouver in goats after they dismantled seoul who basically dismantled the best team in the leauge
minor flame
shock came pretty close
individual performances made some disappointing throws though
considering that Runaway has like a near years experience of goats
Shock did very good pretty on par
balmy wolf
Bumper is trash compared to every other main tank
only difference is he has the peel of 5 actually incredibly good players on his side
balmy flower
are you guys watching contenders right now?
vale pond
is it on?
balmy flower
yes
upper niche
2,700 vieweres and 2,600 of them are here? 😄
balmy wolf
meh