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hidden vault
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@mint flower they signed him because of Tairong he didn't reply play tracer in hiscareer

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But agree they should trade Arhan off for smth or for money

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I wonder which team needs a genji

past hearth
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yo vote for my friend's team St. John's. He's starting out and would really appreciate the support

vale pond
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@queen drift his camera was blocking his monitor and he didnt want to have to call a pause just to fix it, so he did it himself and god a warning

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He was making fun of it/complaining on stream

trim shadow
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A warning towards suspension right

vale pond
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Idk

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That would be a retarded reason to get suspended tho

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And I’m sure the reign would complain to the league

hidden vault
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I wouldn't stop the game to adjust too

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But did he adjust when they were showing his face?

trim shadow
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Some mod on the reign discorded is about to mute me for calling the outlaws trash

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insulting other teams is not allowed

balmy wolf
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I mean that's fair enough

vale pond
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there is a difference between insulting and trash talk

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Calling outlaws trash if fine but directing an insult at paris is another

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Like saying some racist thing about the players or something

pearl stratus
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@vale pond People need to leave the cocks alone.

pearl stratus
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My favorite is that its a -really- easy jump to make, and he fucked up like four parts of it.

ember scarab
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So since moon resigned from valiant, they RLLY got more irrelevant than they already were

night tusk
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You guys saw what kariv said

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I don't think he is happy with the release of Moon

limber pine
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what did kariv say

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I saw what Fate said

pearl stratus
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None of the Koreans seem to be.

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But at the same time that in itself is weird.

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Because its /only/ the koreans.

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And rumors of a divide with moon wanting a more korean roster were already there.

tawdry drift
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molten skiff
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how do you bomb jump with zarya? i never succeeded it

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whenever i do it, i dont feel like im jumping high enough

hidden vault
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Where did you see them say that?

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On twitter?

fathom acorn
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Why do people come here to promote their shit

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It happens like once a day

trim shadow
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I didnt see how any of the valiant responded to moons firingp

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Most coaches in owl are korean right so its natural they would want home grown talent

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Wether its assistant or head

queen drift
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I saw bunny reply, in korean tho so i couldnt read

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should still be on his twitter

minor flame
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Most of the players afaik replied with the tweey

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Koreans mostly said how it was a honor to play for moon

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Or how they loved moon

trim shadow
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Yet they went 0-7

queen drift
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so pasta respect

minor flame
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I think Kariv said I have alot to say but I wont

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Miss you moon

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Or bye moon

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Or thank you moon

queen drift
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if it was bye moon that has a much different connotation than miss you or thank you

minor flame
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Look my source is r/cow like 2 days ago I forgot

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Its prob thank you moon

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It was a posutive sendoff at the v least

queen drift
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wasnt saying you were wrong

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just an observation

pearl stratus
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@queen drift Don't take Bunny to heart.

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He's super polite at ALL times.

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So even if he wanted to kill your parents and poop on you, he'd still be super polite.

minor flame
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The krs in owl are either super fucking nice, cocky trashtalkers or super assholes

pearl stratus
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Sounds like all the groups.

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You just described everyone 😛

minor flame
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Krs are like the extreme types of thosr

trim shadow
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And then you have bumper

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And jjonak

pearl stratus
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In fairness the cocky trashtalk is mostly Danny translating into hype (which is his job).

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It's not like they're so retarded that they stand up and call someone a feeder. Then throw their next game to get fucking demolished.

trim shadow
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For all we know they could be saying something different

minor flame
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Dont know man have you seen the Nyxl v Shock recap

pearl stratus
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No, they say close to what he says.

minor flame
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Jjonak really went out there

pearl stratus
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He just spins it more towards hype than exact.

queen drift
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Jjonak is a lil shit

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But he’s precisely the amount of shit that he has earned

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And I love him

balmy wolf
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Jjonak is like What jehong was in apex

limber pine
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limber pine
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nice

queen drift
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Slow bot

balmy wolf
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I wish jehong would return to his old form

queen drift
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3 days zzzzzz

balmy wolf
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I am so excited

limber pine
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Should all be fairly competitive games

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maybe even the Washington ones

balmy wolf
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Boston vs dallas is gonna be good

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Just hope dallas won't choke

queen drift
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The last two might not be competitive

balmy wolf
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I expect some close 5 map games

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Atlanta is gonna have the easiest time

queen drift
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Don’t think so

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I think chengdu will beat them

balmy wolf
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Hope for some dafran soldier against jinmu pharah

queen drift
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Soldier won’t happen

balmy wolf
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Hmmm idk depends on how they prepare

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Chengdu is so inconsistent i gave up on predicting them

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I think they will win against houston

queen drift
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They’re consistent in how they play, they’re inconsistent because there style will either roll a team or get rolled

trim shadow
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Chengdu is gonna win stage 2

balmy wolf
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Nyxl vs Titans stage 1 finales or we riot

limber pine
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we don't even know what the meta will be in stage 2

queen drift
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I doubt stage 2 will be different

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At least the first week or two won’t be

minor flame
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Stage 2 meta will prob favor dual sniper or 3 dps dive

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Goats will still be around

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Due to the jarring changes

queen drift
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If Baptiste is added for stage 2 well see meta change towards the end

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Ya

minor flame
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Baptiste himself

queen drift
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The practice will carry it for a while

minor flame
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I dont find meta changing

queen drift
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No but he’s like Brigitte imo

pearl stratus
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I find him meta changing for one reason.

queen drift
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Him on his own doesn’t change much

pearl stratus
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His immortality field, while not good, isn't countered well by Goats.

queen drift
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It’s the effect he has on a group or a fight that changes

trim shadow
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If its dps meta

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Chengdu is at the top

queen drift
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No

trim shadow
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Jinmu is a god

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Dont @ me

pearl stratus
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Chengdu doesn't have top DPS. They have good dps, but not top DPS.

queen drift
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Jinmu looks good because no one is playing dps right now lol

pearl stratus
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Teams like Shanghai and LAG power up more.

minor flame
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His immortality field can easily be negated at pro play so theyll have to time it pretty precisely

trim shadow
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Jinmu looks like apex effect

queen drift
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If it’s a dps meta they’ll still be a mid table team

pearl stratus
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@minor flame Goats just lacks the range to take it down quickly.

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So you get more value out of it against a goats comp than a DPS comp.

minor flame
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I just for the love of god

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Hope former dive or dual sniper doesnt become the dominant

pearl stratus
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I don't forsee Dive becoming dominant again.

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The biggest thing people don't realize is how much dive got nerfed by the armor changes.

minor flame
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Dive'll prob wont make it back but

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Dps dive prob will

pearl stratus
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It'll still be situationally good.

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But not dominant.

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Sniper meta could come back.

minor flame
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Thats what I hate

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Dps meta incoming

pearl stratus
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But I think you could run a triple tank dive into double sniper.

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Hammond Winston and D'va.

minor flame
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Rip Rein man

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Hes like the most entertaining piece of OWL

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And OW overall

pearl stratus
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Eh hammond is the most exciting imo.

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Just because its so fast and funny.

minor flame
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True but when its rein v rein

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Its pretty goos

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Hammond v Hammond doesnt connect well

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But Rein v Rein is pretty good to watch and play

pearl stratus
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Hammond is the only main tank I don't play like shit.

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So yay.

minor flame
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Lol

pearl stratus
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I'm too impatient on Rein.

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I'm straight up Bumper.

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Silver Charges and plat sneak shatters.

limber pine
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ditto

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I hate playing Rein

minor flame
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Sneak shatters are pretty good

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If youre not that impatient

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To just do it at the moment they go around a corner

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I just want the meta to be more variety filled

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Kinda like Chengdu v Titans in Hollywood and 66

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Going to dps centric meta after tank centric

trim shadow
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Playing rein is the same as playing a truck with whiplash

minor flame
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Will be iffy for me

sullen berry
worn falcon
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i dont see the fun part 🤔

fathom acorn
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Shanghai could be playoff material this year

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If they get more consistent

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In fact, a lot of teams are playoff material

sullen berry
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@worn falcon replica Jersey quality hasn't got much better

fathom acorn
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Wait

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How did you send a picture

sullen berry
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Those are still iron on labels

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Trusted role

fathom acorn
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The many faces of profit

worn falcon
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you need profit huggin keyboard emote

sullen berry
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He looks uncomfortable in that promo video with him hugging it out with his keyboard

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Keyboard chan knows how he truly feels

fathom acorn
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Commercial man: just do what you usually do with your keyboard

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Profit: proceeds to pick up the keyboard and lovingly hold it

sullen berry
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slowly bites into keyboard 🍫

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Shanghai did not have as explosive first games this stage

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I think stage 2 and 4 strength of schedule has to work in their favour

supple prism
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feel like shanghai just had to figure stuff out with the sudden main tank buy

sullen berry
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Pretty much let gamsu lead the way, and not flinch when he dies first so they can take advantage of their positioning

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Playing Goats is so MOBA for Gamsu

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He's strategizing for a team fight in League of Legends in an fps

limber pine
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sounds legit

sullen berry
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1,000 seems like a small sample size

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It wouldn't get more accurate than this

limber pine
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so the question is

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Is that enough time for Stage 2

supple prism
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yes?

limber pine
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I wonder if they'll push the rest of the changes but not make Baptiste available.

worn falcon
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Thats what im thinking too

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19 march then till 26 march available in comp

sullen berry
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So if you're out of the playoffs

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Or even better, throw your chances if you're 4-2

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You can spend more time on PTR

limber pine
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high IQ play right there

sullen berry
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None of the players can expect it

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Pro baptitiste player of the Gladiators when

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They haven't announced if they're going to allow a patch during stage playoffs

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Stability comes to mind if they don't

limber pine
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They didn’t do it last year

north tendon
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no games on thursday this time around, huh?

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guess its cause we're almost to the playoffs

sullen berry
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Yeee

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Can't wait

north tendon
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you support charge?

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the titans game will be interesting

trim shadow
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so baptiste will be live before stage playoffs

sullen berry
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Doubtful

north tendon
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geoff said in a couple of weeks

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probably not

trim shadow
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then whats the 3/19 for lol

north tendon
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where?

sullen berry
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For the plebs

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You mean this date

trim shadow
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well this is spam

sullen berry
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Nah, some have done pro pugs with baptitiste on ptr

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Idk what happened during the video, haven't had time to watch it

north tendon
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oh, this is only an hour ago?

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awesome, then yeah sounds legit

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geoff probably answered ages ago when he wasnt sure

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cant wait for that patch

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by the way, now that akshon highlights are gone, is there anyone else competent enough to carry the candle?

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or are they all scared of blizzard?

trim shadow
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so will playoffs be played on a new patch

worn falcon
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doubt it

night tusk
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Late response but I mean what Fate said about moon instead of Kariv

north tendon
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of course not

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teams cant adapt to a new patch that fast

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would be kinda jarring too considering this is the goats dominant stage

night tusk
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this looks awesome

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ow.. every team have same design

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feelsbadman

gaunt acorn
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yep

night tusk
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feelsEuMan

trim shadow
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note widowlol

north tendon
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always loved the hunters

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last game only amplified that

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wish they would have won

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would have been an amazing storyline

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still a very admirable effort though

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watching titans confused against double sniper tearing them apart was one of the most satisfying moments for me so far

trim shadow
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i think that wouldve been a bigger story then shanghai gettin a win

night tusk
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you know I see on youtube videos like "Super says Ameng should have player of the match". I wonder if Koreans and Chinese fans also have "rediit"posts or videos like that lol

trim shadow
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the valiant widowlol swole kneck squad

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how do we know all theese players are even gonna make it to the weekend without being traded

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i mean seoul is probablly gonna keep that line up

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same with dallas

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same with paris

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same with london

night tusk
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I think if that happend that will just be announced

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with the "community pre season" nate was also suprised no one played serious

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while you actually could know that

north tendon
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koreans have inven, though I heard thats incredibly toxic

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not sure about china, but theres stuff like weibo

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and I actually forgot about these home games

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really curious how that turns out

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as they are trying to push for those full time in s3

sullen berry
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Best upcoming sniper duo: Happy and Shu

mint flower
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Who are the team captains for every team?

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I know Envy for Toronto and I think it's Youngjin for SHD, but I have no clue about the others

north tendon
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i kinda dont pay attention to that

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i had the impression it wasnt fixed, atleast for some teams

vale pond
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there are captains?

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well that shows you how irrelevant the position is lol

north tendon
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i know nyxl players think of mano as a leader but he doesnt himself

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its a team effort or whoever does it best

vale pond
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I would imagine just the shotcaller is "captain"

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but thats a stretch at that

north tendon
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yea or main tank

vale pond
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the maintank or the lucio are generally shotcaller in goats

north tendon
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fusions likes to dictate things, but everyone has diff style

mint flower
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yea tbh the captain role is total bs

north tendon
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i think if it mattered that much they would highlight it with the roles before the games

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so yeah

vale pond
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Saebyeolbe is nyxl captain

north tendon
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you just do what the coach says

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benched captain pogu

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I miss him

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atleast he played something though

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but pine none

vale pond
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most teams dont even have captains

night tusk
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Ryujehong Captain

vale pond
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like justice and outlaws dont from what I've seen so far

north tendon
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kuki is the valiant captain

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kappa

night tusk
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Runner Captain

north tendon
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I hear it the most with ryu

night tusk
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Esca former captain BibleThump

vale pond
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whats the story behind maasa's name?

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his irl name is petja

night tusk
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idk, I do know kyb's name xd

north tendon
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whats the story behind that?

night tusk
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he slammed on his keyboard so thats how

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lol

north tendon
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seriously? thats amusing

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i would expect more than 3 letters though

night tusk
north tendon
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lol, I saw the 2018 one

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im sure this one is funny too

gaunt acorn
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the guy who made the 2018 ones only plays fortnite now

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and thinks owl sucks

night tusk
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there are many I think you mean mccreamy

mint flower
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I used to love mccreamy

night tusk
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unsubbed because stupid fortnite lol

mint flower
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but fort suks d

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@night tusk I like ur thought process

night tusk
mint flower
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wait mccreamy has 2 mil subs...

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man I wish battle royale would just die...

night tusk
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he did good on both channels

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I wish there were some more fans/content creators for OW, I don't mind people have different taste of genre's

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all my friends who ever played OW are playing fornite because they can play together and are console players, you don't need to pay for internet (playstation plus) to play fortnite

mint flower
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that babybay dance tho

night tusk
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I loved that jjonak part lol

mint flower
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lmao

north tendon
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if we got the replay system I think that would really boost content creation

mint flower
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Ive watched this video like 20 times in the past 24 hours

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probably more tbh

north tendon
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did someone actually feed people though?

night tusk
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this system was on a PS3 game in 2003 on call of duty black ops. why is OW taking so long to have this system..

north tendon
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whats the context behind that?

mint flower
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yep

north tendon
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lol

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yea ando

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these devs are so painfully slow lol

night tusk
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ye, wonder if they will be slower now since activision fired alot of employees

north tendon
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imagine if they actually limited replay to just your perspective rather than anyone else's to avoid hurt feelings like the private profiles

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wouldnt put it past them

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i would be so mad

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at this point they gotta decide whats actually good for the game rather than pleasing casuals

night tusk
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^

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back in call of duty you could have it like a camera you do on caster mode

mint flower
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that kyb part transitioning to jake actually smashing his keyboard is also hilarious

night tusk
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xd

north tendon
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it would be so sweet if we got to download spectated games ingame or like off the pros on twitch

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would def help with freshnuts and such

night tusk
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this system would help coaches alot aswell

north tendon
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yeah for sure

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wizard was vocal about wanting it early

night tusk
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I remember a interview of Wizardhyong asking for this

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yeahh

north tendon
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haha ye

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might wanna use it to figure out why washington is so washed up right now though

night tusk
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when on OWWC

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I saw some clips on reddit and seagull stream who watched some stuff what happend.. was amazing how many extra details you could get

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how libero used barage but avoid getting killed by dva mech that was boosting to libero

north tendon
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i think seagull was a huge part on opening people's eyes on zacharee lmao

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it was deserved though

night tusk
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or how kruise booped rein on their team

north tendon
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yeah for sure

night tusk
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haha lol ye

north tendon
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he said he didnt mean to talk bad on him but the damage was done

vale pond
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KRUISE IS A FEEDEEERRRR

north tendon
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he was actually feeding so bad on that titans game lol

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almost like he was pushing for it to be true

vale pond
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dogman is wise

night tusk
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I hope he can fix his mistakes

vale pond
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he predicts the future

north tendon
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dogman creating a meme before its a meme

night tusk
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I wonder if NYXL lose matches.. I could see them winning the full season if they winning this stage

vale pond
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I'm waiting for dogman to pop off and yell "Let me impose zen on you come back bitches"

north tendon
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people are just gonna bot out and say sandbagging whenever nyxl loses lol

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even though they look a lot better so far

night tusk
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they look better every match

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the one with seoul, they lose one, fall back and know why they fall back and win crazy pushes

north tendon
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yeah, and its ridiculous to me they are downplaying all their achievements in 2018

night tusk
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also if they switch heroes they look sure every time

north tendon
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not like the final were everything (besides it being a sudden new meta shift)

night tusk
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indeed

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the meta where flex support had to play tracer/hog hurted NYXL a bit

north tendon
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yeah that was weird with the one support going on

night tusk
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I did enjoy hotba popping off lol

north tendon
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hes definitely showing it now with charge

night tusk
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but idk if you saw ATL vs Paris, anubis map

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ATL played junkrat orisa

north tendon
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sadly I miss a lot of reign's games

night tusk
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and Paris forgat how to play dive

north tendon
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LOL

vale pond
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smh

north tendon
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happens to use when you just mace 24/7

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you*

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how did glads 4-0 reign?

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I didnt watch any of that game

night tusk
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also I saw charge playing weird comp against gladiators, they won after all but when charge played weird comp, glads did not know how to play against that comp. I think NYXL have a plan against every comp

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well

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I saw on this discord

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someone said that dafran said that they lost in scrims against glads. and I guess because of this they are afraid of glads so they played to afraid

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also decay is popping off

north tendon
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oh damn, sucks I missed it

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decay looked really promising

vale pond
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decay is a lot of the reason they look so much better now

night tusk
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like seoul cant win from london there can be a chance that ATL can't win from glads. its ofcourse to early to say

north tendon
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300K put to good use

night tusk
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ye lol

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I dont think surefour is one of the best zarya's out there

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but last week

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who impressed me the most are DIEM from shanghai and Ameng from Hunters

vale pond
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ameng pog

night tusk
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damn did you saw shanghai vs london ?

north tendon
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ameng's awakening as a true chad

vale pond
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had player of match stolen

night tusk
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profit popping off on hanzo and diem popping off on widow

north tendon
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nope lol

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looked like a crazy game as well

night tusk
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diem was playing widow on points where widow is not being played, and they looked crazy

north tendon
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im just glad i didnt miss any of hunters vs titans

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probably the best of that week

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oh i always knew he was an insane widow

night tusk
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I bet money on shanghai so I was hoping so much and it was so close so I enjoyed that match more. but i'm sad hunters did not win

north tendon
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yeah it was so disappointing

night tusk
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only shanghai played a player that is named " guardian" he did not look great.. they did play bad on that map

north tendon
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they played it way too safe on nepal round 1

night tusk
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I think they should win route66

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was so close

north tendon
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yeah

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what the hell was that whole team rotation on the payload lol

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costed them badly

night tusk
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lol yea

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crazy comps, crazy strats

north tendon
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bumper was definitely scared though

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did some really bad plays lol

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ameng dominated

night tusk
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but.. I will say

north tendon
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most hilarious when he went for the counter charge but fed instead

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lmao

night tusk
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I don't think that titans really prepared for this match, they only can play against goats in scrims and they was thinking like " well just play goats and we win"

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jjanu on hammond was questionable

tulip ridge
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Well Titans used to play dive

night tusk
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the idea is that the team who lost from hunters are the one who try to mirror their comp. so teams realized to play meta (goats) because it will be stronger than any other comp. but no one expected hunters to goats aswell

north tendon
#

yeah, but I think most teams got too comfy with goats

tulip ridge
#

True

north tendon
#

I really hope this hasnt affected the mechanical skills of most dps stars

#

as we know, you lost it if you dont practice as often

#

lose*

night tusk
#

what I said earlier on ATL match, on first point anubis you can play (maybe even better) other comps. but on second point anubis you have to. that was seen in the hunters match aswell

tulip ridge
#

Yeah I've noticed that too

north tendon
#

yes

tulip ridge
#

@north tendon I don't think their skills declined cause I think they just stream or play by themselves

north tendon
#

yeah i hope so

#

but the bulk of their time is scrims

#

and playing goats

#

lol

night tusk
#

Hotba tracer looked scarier than a dps player lol.. idk who was it again

tulip ridge
#

Isn't that sinattra

night tusk
#

lool

#

maybe

tulip ridge
#

not that

night tusk
#

or dallas

#

idk

north tendon
#

effect?

tulip ridge
#

but sinattra was a tracer player playing zarya these days

north tendon
#

effect feels washed for some reason

#

maybe its nerves

#

expected more from him

night tusk
#

I saw someone else saying it, did not watch alot of charge matches actually

north tendon
#

yea sin has a nasty zarya

trim shadow
#

Ameng looked like gladiators fissure

night tusk
#

but on LA gladiators vs Charge, hotba looked scary to on Pharah

north tendon
#

fissure's hype died to me so early in this season lol

#

feels like hes just there

night tusk
#

I did watch his stream and a off-season match vs charge. did not expect good rein

trim shadow
#

And hell probably remain on seoul

night tusk
#

he played to much hammond

north tendon
#

until he whines about how seoul players suck and arent on his level

#

then find another team

#

lmaoooo

trim shadow
#

zaryalul fissure to hangzhou

night tusk
#

but I believe he was a big part of gladiators making a better team in s1

trim shadow
#

But nah

#

Guxue and nosmite are currently outperforming him

north tendon
#

lol pls no, I love spark and guxue

trim shadow
#

So fissure to the next korean expansion team widowlol

night tusk
#

know that london did not say that seoul wanted him in S1..

north tendon
#

yeah

#

im puzzled by spark's recent losses

#

they looked like such a good team

#

seem unlucky

trim shadow
#

Itd be a lul if nosmite went to seoul in exchange for fissure

north tendon
#

or not too coordinated

tulip ridge
#

My friend got so dissapointed in spark after their losses

trim shadow
#

They did the seoul effect

north tendon
#

yeah I love watching them, but it hurts

trim shadow
#

Have a dominant looking roster pre season

night tusk
#

I think florida and justice may have some changes...

trim shadow
#

Dominate first week

#

Disapear afterwards

#
  • seoul effect
north tendon
#

im surprised by valiant firing their head coach

#

feels like a blame game

night tusk
#

I will say this word wrong but seoul needs to work on their " consitency"

north tendon
#

coulda waited a bit more

trim shadow
#

I would expect most of the bottom teams to make alot of trade moves

north tendon
#

consistency, yeah

#

they are like dallas 2018

#

they kinda always were though

#

could never really get out of that

trim shadow
#

Atlanta is who dallas was suppose to be

#

Solid looking roster

north tendon
#

lol yeah true

trim shadow
#

And perform like a solid roster

night tusk
#

maybe lunatichai was good because of the match system. winners stay, losers out. thats why NYXL did great in stage matches but lost in playoffs

north tendon
#

reign has a good run

trim shadow
#

And then dallas buggered off until stage 4 last year

tulip ridge
#

Although reign 4-0 loss to glads did change perspective

north tendon
#

surprise taimou popping off back in form

trim shadow
#

I want a expansion team to win the title

#

So VANCOUVER GET IT TOGETHER

north tendon
#

yea polish, but glads isnt an easy team

#

happens

#

esp with decay

night tusk
#

if boston somehow is in the stage matches

trim shadow
#

^ dafran said we expected to much out of them to beat lag

north tendon
#

since he just turned 18

night tusk
#

no way seoul can be in the stage playoffs 😦

north tendon
#

lol dafran loves to downplay himself, thats a lot more refreshing than acting cocky to me though

#

yeah doesnt look like it

trim shadow
#

At least dafran admits he and the team fucked up

#

And said they had a shot against houston and chengdu

north tendon
#

the team atmosphere on reign is certainly amazing

#

so that will carry them in future games

night tusk
#

I have a party so i can't watch seoul vs london.. I was waiting for this match because I want to see seoul possible win their first game against london/gc busan

north tendon
#

yea it would be an interesting one

#

but not like im too crazy about it either lol

#

but most of the week looks boring so might as well

night tusk
#

ye im a seoul fan so xd

north tendon
#

oh then that sucks

trim shadow
#

Sunday is interestinf

night tusk
#

I dont expect alot from them

hidden osprey
#

!schedule

somber yewBOT
#
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north tendon
#

yea you shouldnt be lol

trim shadow
#

Philly paris

#

Atlanta houston

hidden osprey
#

that match is gonna be spicy

trim shadow
#

Guangzhou vancouver to end stage 1

north tendon
#

did you see that seoul fan almost eating his shirt when nyxl took volskaya?

#

LOL

trim shadow
#

Thats interestinfg

night tusk
#

philly paris can be fun if paris improved in their practice time lol

north tendon
#

i bet thats most seoul fans

night tusk
#

nop @north tendon

north tendon
#

that was a really funny rage moment

night tusk
#

oww

#

ye I saw someone

#

but not eating but with 2 hands pulling it

north tendon
#

and uber was like "that shirt is not too nutritious in content im afraid"

#

lmaoooo

#

love his jokes

#

yeah that one

night tusk
#

realize that their numbani win was just kinda luck..

north tendon
#

korean looked like

night tusk
#

so it was kinda 4-0

#

feelsbad, did expect a 2-3

north tendon
#

yeah that numbani win was a wtf moment lol

#

i guess the jonak getting booped off helped things

night tusk
#

NYXL is only improving

north tendon
#

its so satisfying to watch them, they are like teachers of peak overwatch

#

part of why i love them, but pine was the first love

night tusk
#

I liked alot since LW blue, was a fan of fl0w3r.. but I don't like if matches are so one sided

north tendon
#

yeah, I would like for a team to give us more of a challenge

#

which is why I look forward to titans

#

in playoffs possibly

night tusk
#

I knew pine would be a fan favorite if he had playtime s1, when I saw him the first time I was like " pog"

tulip ridge
#

I hope titans go against the NYXL

north tendon
#

yeah apparently sbb said everyone called pine insane back then in korea

#

polish, seems very likely

night tusk
#

defiant is slowly improving, like S1 stage 1 NA teams looked bad but LAV and LAG all became playoff teams aswell

north tendon
#

yeah tbh i was underestimating them a bit too much

#

but they are a good team

tulip ridge
#

I don't know much about them

north tendon
#

i think a lot of the roster was from a good team in korean contenders

#

and neko from boston helped a lot

night tusk
#

envy and ivy look crazy, we know about neko ofcourse but their staff have alot of respect, so thats why I can see them improving

north tendon
#

yeah and I like their skin color

night tusk
#

before fusion vs nyxl this off season

#

I did not expect nenne being so good

#

he haves the best zarya stats I believe

#

don't see sbb pine or fl0w3r really playing zarya that good aswell

north tendon
#

i think nenne is the 3rd damage wise

#

but yeah his stats are amazing

#

i didnt either

#

nyxl just keeps finding talent lol

#

the surprise tracer stall was also crazy

#

kind of a sneak peek of what he can do when dps are back

night tusk
#

on anubis ?

#

i mean

#

numbani

north tendon
#

yeah when he died on brig early

night tusk
#

I remember nenne playing tracer on numbani

#

2 kills with pulse

#

than went back to switch back on zarya

#

think this is a strong part from NYXL and some other teams, that they have good control on the stalling swaps

#

I remember when Estern did swap off tracer and some believed it was Dafran lol

trim shadow
#

nyxl is one step away from being a actual dynasty

north tendon
#

yeah

fathom acorn
#

@trim shadow inb4 they sandbag cause they’re too busy playing Minecraft

trim shadow
#

inb4 the sandbag because jjonak wants to play apex legends

copper oasis
#

Vancouver vs NY. Who would win?

#

i just joined so idk if this question has already been asked

gaunt acorn
#

i suppose we'll find out soon enough

#

it could go either way

fossil tapir
#

Lol dafran was such a bad pick

supple prism
#

nyxl would win

fathom acorn
#

dafran

#

bad pick

#

Could you elaborate on that please

pearl stratus
#

He's still, overall, considered quite overhyped by most. He's been improving but he's more or less on the OWL average - he's got history with the Atlanta staff so he wasn't a bad pick up.

#

But they probably could have saved a lot of money and gotten a random contenders Korean and been in the same exact spot.

#

But they get merch sales from his fanbase.

#

So he'll probably pay for himself in that way.

#

So far none of the super hyped people have really blown anyone away. Decay is looking like he's able to.

#

But he looked shaky as shit at the start.

queen drift
#

dafran is an excellent pick

#

he could be the biggest bot in the league and he'd be a great pick

hidden vault
#

LaGlads still not doing that well. Better with decay of course

queen drift
#

simply monetarily he's huge for atlanta

hidden vault
#

Drafran is the only owl streamer

queen drift
#

dont think thats true

#

hes the only high profile owl streamer

#

probably the only one who could be full time if owl stopped

#

and / or fired

#

but Carpe, Saya, EFFECT, most of the Dallas players, Houston players, Agilities all stream

hidden vault
#

Yeah I meant high profile

#

I'm pretty sure most of the owl players streams

#

Speaking of which will Outlaws beat Regin?

#

If Regin doesn't have dafran

queen drift
#

dafran doesnt really matter in game

#

but atlanta should beat outlaws yes

supple prism
#

3-1 at worst

hidden vault
#

Is dafran still playing every match?

#

Outlaws pogchimp

trim shadow
#

everyone dallas streams espect closer

#

on*

#

and ofc cocky houston fans are back at it again

minor flame
#

Dafran mechanically is good pick but hes not the greatest

fathom acorn
#

Houston: gets fucking rolled

minor flame
#

he's definitely a great pick for publicity

fathom acorn
#

Also like I get dafran is good

#

But this guy is saying he’s straight up bad

minor flame
#

but yeah i dont think Houston will get even 2 maps off of ATL

trim shadow
#

im gonna do what bren did to houston if they get 4-0

fathom acorn
#

Which like

#

Isn’t true?

minor flame
#

who

#

JP blackboi?

fathom acorn
#

JP blackboi

#

The person who started it

trim shadow
#

no sideshow my bad

minor flame
#

Dafran good

#

thats about all I can say

#

people really overhype all his actions

fathom acorn
#

Probably just a troll tbh

minor flame
#

like that over the doorway grav

trim shadow
#

what an absolutely garbage team how dare you call me out -sideshow

minor flame
#

which is kind of easy to do in pro play

fathom acorn
#

He’s like XQC but not toxic

trim shadow
#

he pulled out his british accent saying that

minor flame
#

i get people really like the over the doorway grav

#

but i dont think its that impressive to be held up like that

#

its just a unique way to ensure a grav

#

even though its a bit slow

trim shadow
#

houston bragged about beating the valiant so i show no mercy to houston

minor flame
#

i dont think houston posting that vid was being cocky

#

its just ofc youre the teams social media

#

youre not gonna say like oh i cant wait for the team im spreading around in twitter to lose against atl

trim shadow
#

houston shouldve knownn they were gonna get backlash for bosting about a win over a team in disaray

queen drift
#

Yes and no

#

Their fans liked it

#

Which was the goal.. so 🤷‍♀️

hidden vault
#

Yeah the houstons are a little arrogant

queen drift
#

define "little" lol

verbal roost
#

ooo london lost to shd? 😮

gaunt acorn
#

yep

verbal roost
#

interesting 😄

#

shd fans look happier than before 😮

ruby pendant
#

last season won 0 games, this season won more than 0 in stage 1, how can you not be happy?

verbal roost
#

oooo london didn't make playoffs? 😮

#

oooo a reverse grav ball 😮

#

diem wow 😮

gaunt acorn
#

you sure love that emoji

verbal roost
#

Can I have it?

#

it's my "oh wow shd won" emoji

vagrant cargo
#

Imagine being cocky when you won because the #20 Team choked

verbal roost
#

Valiant?

sullen berry
balmy wolf
#

Sup boys

vale pond
#

!schedule

somber yewBOT
#
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<:BOS:438251672633081857> BOS vs DAL <:DAL:438251672783814657>

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karmic grotto
#

Ugh

#

Two days

#

Too much wait

night tusk
#

Indeed

#

Today I would usually work, watch a ongoing anime than waiting for OWL

#

No match today 😦

mint flower
#

What games r u guys looking for forward to?

#

I wanna see the Spitfire dynasty match, Reign hunters, and charge titans

queen drift
#

ATL v CDH, PHI v PAR and GZC v VAN should all be good games to watch

#

Spitfire dynasty I think will be really underwhelming, probably just 3-1 spitfire

#

!schedule

somber yewBOT
#
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queen drift
#

The games in that order

#

0-4

#

3-1

#

2-3

#

3-2

#

3-1

mint flower
#

I only wanna see it cuz they’re both Korean “superteams” that are flopping

queen drift
#

0-0 residentsleeper

mint flower
#

Lmao

queen drift
#

1-3

#

2-3

#

Seoul isn’t a super team

#

Seoul is just barely a team team

mint flower
#

That’s pretty accurate

inland pawn
#

3-1 atl - cdh? Not when my boy AMENG shows up

queen drift
#

Wasn’t atl cdh 3-2

#

I think that will be a very close game

inland pawn
#

i want cdh to win lmao

limber pine
#

just use the owplayoffmachine to post game scores

queen drift
#

I’m on mobile 😦

limber pine
#

i'm sure it still works on mobile

queen drift
#

I’ll@check

#

Doesn’t work well on mobile

#

I can only do 4-0s

limber pine
#

hm

queen drift
#

now the actual site on pc wont let me do other than 4-0s zz

#

nvm its just off the page

limber pine
#

seems legit

#

maybe Washington gets their first win, but the rest I agree with

#

agree with/can see happening

queen drift
#

yea if i could pick 0-0 for washington/mayhem i would

limber pine
#

lol

minor flame
#

I think Philly will 3-1 Paris

#

But other than that I can agree with this

queen drift
#

problem with philly is they're so inconsistent

#

i can honestly see any result out of that game

mint flower
#

5 map five games?

queen drift
#

same for washington mayhem

minor flame
#

Just hope Charge can upset Titand 👀

mint flower
#

I hope justice goes 0-7 and Titans don’t go 7-0

queen drift
#

im filling out stage 2 cuz im bored

#

london looks to have a pretty easy stage 2

mint flower
#

SHD do as well

#

they have hunter, mayhem, outlaws, justice

queen drift
#

i think they go to map 5 or lose all their games tbh

mint flower
#

they do have nyxl and sf tho...

queen drift
#

id rate hunters higher than shanghai

#

and outlaws on par

mint flower
#

so thats 2 losses

queen drift
#

3 losses

#

1 map 5

#

2 left they should win but i dont count on it

mint flower
#

and the first match of stage 2 is LAG

queen drift
#

ahh yeah, 4 losses

mint flower
#

depends which LAG shows up

queen drift
#

my problem is i genuinely cant see nyxl losing a game

#

the only time i can imagine them losing is against titans

mint flower
#

Yeah they probably wont

queen drift
#

who they dont play till stage 4

mint flower
#

stage playoffs?

stray bobcat
#

I wish I had a life

queen drift
#

no they play 1 regular game against stage 4

#

im talking just regular games rn

mint flower
#

o

queen drift
#

in playoffs so much changes haha

minor flame
#

Rating Chengdu over Shanghai is difficult because

#

Dding exists

queen drift
#

yeah, i just thing chengdu are more consistent

#

shanghai on their good days, when dding pops off, are mid to high tier

#

imo

mint flower
#

I like dding, but ameng is big brain

queen drift
#

mid tier actually

#

but when they dont, they're low

#

chengdu are just consistently mid

#

mid to low

minor flame
#

I mean if you go from performing like low mid tier one week then next week

#

Almost upset the fuxking top team

mint flower
#

and jinmu is a madlad
quoting sideshow btw

queen drift
#

bumper is a mad cunt

mint flower
#

that charge vs shock

minor flame
#

Gets outshat by a hammond main

mint flower
#

on volskaya

minor flame
#

lol that ezclap we gucci

queen drift
#

gladiators also look like they have an easy stage tbh

#

perhaps the easiest

mint flower
#

yeah

queen drift
#

shanghai, seoul, guangzhou, valiant, mayhem, chengdu, boston

pearl stratus
#

Jinmu, in fairness, has always been crazy.

#

Even in Contenders.

mint flower
#

the only "hard" match id say is charge

pearl stratus
#

He suicide ults.

queen drift
#

gzc, seoul and valiant could all be hard

pearl stratus
#

Just bananas batshit crazy suicide ults.

#

Yet makes it work sometimes.

minor flame
#

If Seoul replaces Fissure with Marve1

mint flower
#

@pearl stratus didnt bumper do that too

minor flame
#

Seoul will be challenging

queen drift
#

i think VAL comes back hard in stage 2

pearl stratus
#

It's different when you've got Runaway to back you up.

queen drift
#

bumper doesnt really ult into enemy teams

#

he just

#

walks into them

mint flower
#

fair point

pearl stratus
#

You can see it this season 2.

#

Go watch Chengdu King's Row.

minor flame
#

Jinmu is a proud independent flying egyptian suicide bomber

pearl stratus
#

When he Genji Blades at a Brig, without having Dash up.

minor flame
#

Who dont need no team

pearl stratus
#

And turns it into a 3k.

mint flower
#

xd

pearl stratus
#

Or watch how low to the ground aggro he gets on Pharah.

#

He's in Rein swing range 90% of the time.

mint flower
#

that play vs mayhem i presume?

pearl stratus
#

I don't think it was Mayhem, I think it was a real team.

mint flower
#

?

#

"real team" ?

queen drift
#

it means absoloutely nothing right now and will definitely change

#

but

#

this is how i see stage 2 right now

pearl stratus
#

Minus Chengdu and Shanghai I mostly agree with that.

queen drift
#

the game or the places

pearl stratus
#

Shanghai, in my opinion, has one of the best DPS duos in the league overall right now.

#

I see them going 4-3 or 5-2.

#

4-3 if we don't see sniper stuff.

#

5-2 if we do.

queen drift
#

i think they'll definitely lose to nyxl glads and shock

mint flower
#

glads is up in the air for me

queen drift
#

definitely win vs mayhem, justice and outlaws

mint flower
#

nyxl and shock is a definite loss

pearl stratus
#

I don't put Shock as a definite loss.

#

I put it at a 70-30.

mint flower
#

rlly?

#

in shocks favor i presume?

queen drift
#

70-30 to shock?

pearl stratus
#

I think, depending on how the meta settles, they'll take time to figure out their DPS rotation which can cost them games.

#

Yes, to shock.

mint flower
#

also @queen drift why charge so low?

queen drift
#

unlucky games i suppose

#

good team bad stage

pearl stratus
#

It's also very tongue in cheek Dapper.

#

Because its still stuck drawing primarily on goats numbers.

queen drift
#

and how the teams are performing rn

#

which i think will majorly change in stage 2

#

espescially valiant

#

all this is honestly pointless but its pretty interesting to me

pearl stratus
#

For instance if we end up in a sniper meta, GZC will jump a ton of spaces.

#

Because they have Happy/Shu.

#

etc, etc, etc.

queen drift
#

philly will go up, shock maybe up

#

vancouver down

#

glads down

pearl stratus
#

Architect is still kind of a question mark widow to me

queen drift
#

on specifically widow i'd maybe take babybay tbh

mint flower
#

yeh i agree

queen drift
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as a general hitscan id go architect

pearl stratus
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I think the flex worry will still be there though, which does limit Babybay.

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Architect was never a bad Widow.

mint flower
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striker?

pearl stratus
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Strikers not a great Widow.

queen drift
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striker picked up widow recently

pearl stratus
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He's serviceable, but not great.

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He's similar to Libero.

mint flower
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hes only played once this season right?

queen drift
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yeah but that doesnt mean much at all

pearl stratus
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Yeah, Goats doesn't suit a rotation.

queen drift
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hes a tracer player primarily

pearl stratus
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Tracer/Junkrat from what we saw in Season 1.

mint flower
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what about rascal, his hero pool is weird as hell

queen drift
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rascal is libero lite

pearl stratus
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Rascal plays..

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Everything.

mint flower
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wut are his main heroes?

pearl stratus
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Just not at the highest levels.

mint flower
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o lol

queen drift
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mainly i think genji

pearl stratus
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Main heroes would be (imo) McCree, Pharah, Genji.

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For a projectile base he's got a really nasty McCree.

queen drift
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Rascal, Profit and Libero are all like that to varying levels of success

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and Flow3r

pearl stratus
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I'd argue EQO could join that conversation a bit as well.

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Not -as- broad, but he's got a larger pool than most including some off-tanks.

queen drift
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id say Libero is top tier

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Profit below him with Rascal

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Flow3r below them

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and eqo just below him

pearl stratus
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Yeah Libero -> Profit -> Rascal -> Flower/EQO.

pearl stratus
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I won't separate tehm because Fl0w3r looked like shit all contenders.

fathom acorn
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Someone sent this in the London spitfire server

pearl stratus
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So I'd need to see him play again

fathom acorn
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It’s so bad

queen drift
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yeahhh

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im going mainly based on what ive seen of him pre contenders cuz contenders had a couple excuses

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injury, ping, new team, etc

pearl stratus
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Fair, but that was like.. two years ago. So I'm treating him like a new player basically.

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Also he'd have to go crazy to impress me over what Nenne has shown so far.

queen drift
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I think the meta heavily favours nenne over flower

pearl stratus
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Yeah, but even Nenne's tracer was good.

queen drift
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yeah but flowers tracer was never at nennes level

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its hard to compare them

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nenne has always been tracer zarya

pearl stratus
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I think its hard to imagine him getting much play time because I couldn't see playing LIbero + Fl0w3r over Libero + Specialist.

queen drift
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flower has always been widow genji soldier

pearl stratus
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But thats me personally.

queen drift
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oh yeah no if we're talking about who'd get played

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libero nenne all the time

pearl stratus
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Or Libero + Pine, etc. Basically always Libero + [X]

queen drift
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i might play flower over pine

pearl stratus
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I think it would depend on the meta, if it was a hard lock sniper meta I think you're fine letting him one trick his widow.

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If nothing else having it be pine is a mental game for the other team.

queen drift
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id say it for the opposite tbh

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if you want a widow one trick its fine to take flower over pine

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if you need the cree, flower is useless

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they both have big problems

pearl stratus
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Yeah, minus Libero I've never felt like NYXL had a crazy strong DPS line up. They're very good at what they do, but they don't do much.

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If that makes sense.

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SBB is an insane tracer with a unique play style, his McCree is okay.. then he just kind of falls off.

mint flower
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I like SBB, seems like a chill guy

minor flame
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Fl0w3r

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Is washed up

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Nenne

smoky spade
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He's really only known for popping off in OWWC 2017

minor flame
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Is probably the best zarya im the league

smoky spade
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Hell ye he is

night tusk
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I know fl0w3r because of apex before OWWC

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He did stall the payload once insanly long and reflected rascal's mei ult so thats why he had a big name early

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When I saw the korean roster of 2017 I was upset that fl0w3r was not on the roster, they named him nanohana that time or someone else was first placed on his spot but they changed it to fl0w3r so when I saw that I was happy since I hope to see fl0w3r with ryujehong at that time

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To say fl0w3r is washed up is the same of saying fusions is washed up of his contenders play after owwc

pearl stratus
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Except Fusions didn't have to deal with multiple (I think we're at ... #3 or #4?) injuries based on his hands and fingers completely changing the way he aims.

queen drift
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Not really

pearl stratus
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You're making a very incorrect, unintelligent, and factually wrong comparison.

queen drift
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Fusions didn’t peak as high nor sink as low as flower

night tusk
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Besides nenne he knew that he had a 100% spot in OWL so why tryhard? Besides that he had some wrist injury

queen drift
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SeoMinSoo > Nenne On zarya this stage

smoky spade
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meh

pearl stratus
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So far Fusions has: Played in Contenders, Played in the OWWC, kept smashing in OWL.

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He's not had a plateau yet.

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Nor a descent.

smoky spade
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btw do you think Ameng is actually a megachad reinhardt or did he just have a really good game

pearl stratus
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I think ChronoDota did the best job analyzing that question @smoky spade

minor flame
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Possibly both

queen drift
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You could argue flower didn’t have a plateau either tbh, he was playing better and better and better then got injured

pearl stratus
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His style is completely unorthodox, and flat out wrong, in so many situations that it counters Bumpers style very heavily.

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How many Reins legitimately go for the max range defensive shatters Ameng did?

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The answer is pretty much none of them.

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So Bumper would be ranged pretty far out and go to Firestrike which is the normal play.

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And Ameng, being a gigachad, would just throw out Shatter.

minor flame
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The aggressive defense

pearl stratus
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Someone like Mano wouldn't shatter in those situations because its just... why? Why would you risk that?

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But Ameng, being Chinese, knows no fear or coordination.

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He only knows chinese shenanigans.

queen drift
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It’s very much so like why bumper is so successful himself

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They’re such ‘bad’ plays they work out

pearl stratus
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Is Ameng a garbage Rein? I'd argue after that game you can't say he's completely garbage, but he got away with being an unknown.

minor flame
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He couldve had a really good game

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He could be a really good rein

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Honestly

pearl stratus
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Eh I'd have to see him play against other Reins first.

minor flame
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It could go either way from what Ive seen

pearl stratus
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His Rein was almost designed to counter Bumpers.

smoky spade
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imo Bumper is a mediocre rein for OWL only enabled by his super good support players

pearl stratus
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Like RUI coached him how to play an Anti-Bumper Rein.

queen drift
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Most dps hadn’t picked up zarya until goats, and now imo the best zaryas in the league are dps players

pearl stratus
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And they took advantage of bumper a LOT.

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They took advantage of Bumper as much as Bumper took advantage of himself.

smoky spade
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Who knows, maybe RUI will coach Ameng to be a good OWL rein in general and just destroy Bumper

minor flame
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RUI coaching against other weakbessez and traits is so fitting and useful for a unorthodox team though it would take more precision to do each time

pearl stratus
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Probably not.

smoky spade
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Yeah probably not

pearl stratus
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Jiqiren will get his visa.

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It'd be easier to continue to let Ameng ball/orissa out.