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But agree they should trade Arhan off for smth or for money
I wonder which team needs a genji
yo vote for my friend's team St. John's. He's starting out and would really appreciate the support
@queen drift his camera was blocking his monitor and he didnt want to have to call a pause just to fix it, so he did it himself and god a warning
He was making fun of it/complaining on stream
A warning towards suspension right
Idk
That would be a retarded reason to get suspended tho
And I’m sure the reign would complain to the league
I wouldn't stop the game to adjust too
But did he adjust when they were showing his face?
Some mod on the reign discorded is about to mute me for calling the outlaws trash
insulting other teams is not allowed
I mean that's fair enough
there is a difference between insulting and trash talk
Calling outlaws trash if fine but directing an insult at paris is another
Like saying some racist thing about the players or something
@vale pond People need to leave the cocks alone.
My favorite is that its a -really- easy jump to make, and he fucked up like four parts of it.
So since moon resigned from valiant, they RLLY got more irrelevant than they already were
None of the Koreans seem to be.
But at the same time that in itself is weird.
Because its /only/ the koreans.
And rumors of a divide with moon wanting a more korean roster were already there.
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how do you bomb jump with zarya? i never succeeded it
whenever i do it, i dont feel like im jumping high enough
I didnt see how any of the valiant responded to moons firingp
Most coaches in owl are korean right so its natural they would want home grown talent
Wether its assistant or head
Most of the players afaik replied with the tweey
Koreans mostly said how it was a honor to play for moon
Or how they loved moon
Yet they went 0-7
so pasta respect
I think Kariv said I have alot to say but I wont
Miss you moon
Or bye moon
Or thank you moon
if it was bye moon that has a much different connotation than miss you or thank you
Look my source is r/cow like 2 days ago I forgot
Its prob thank you moon
It was a posutive sendoff at the v least
@queen drift Don't take Bunny to heart.
He's super polite at ALL times.
So even if he wanted to kill your parents and poop on you, he'd still be super polite.
The krs in owl are either super fucking nice, cocky trashtalkers or super assholes
Krs are like the extreme types of thosr
In fairness the cocky trashtalk is mostly Danny translating into hype (which is his job).
It's not like they're so retarded that they stand up and call someone a feeder. Then throw their next game to get fucking demolished.
For all we know they could be saying something different
Dont know man have you seen the Nyxl v Shock recap
No, they say close to what he says.
Jjonak really went out there
He just spins it more towards hype than exact.
Jjonak is a lil shit
But he’s precisely the amount of shit that he has earned
And I love him
Jjonak is like What jehong was in apex
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nice
Slow bot
I wish jehong would return to his old form
3 days zzzzzz
I am so excited
The last two might not be competitive
Hope for some dafran soldier against jinmu pharah
Soldier won’t happen
Hmmm idk depends on how they prepare
Chengdu is so inconsistent i gave up on predicting them
I think they will win against houston
They’re consistent in how they play, they’re inconsistent because there style will either roll a team or get rolled
Chengdu is gonna win stage 2
Nyxl vs Titans stage 1 finales or we riot
we don't even know what the meta will be in stage 2
Stage 2 meta will prob favor dual sniper or 3 dps dive
Goats will still be around
Due to the jarring changes
Baptiste himself
The practice will carry it for a while
I dont find meta changing
No but he’s like Brigitte imo
I find him meta changing for one reason.
Him on his own doesn’t change much
His immortality field, while not good, isn't countered well by Goats.
It’s the effect he has on a group or a fight that changes
No
Chengdu doesn't have top DPS. They have good dps, but not top DPS.
Jinmu looks good because no one is playing dps right now lol
Teams like Shanghai and LAG power up more.
His immortality field can easily be negated at pro play so theyll have to time it pretty precisely
Jinmu looks like apex effect
If it’s a dps meta they’ll still be a mid table team
@minor flame Goats just lacks the range to take it down quickly.
So you get more value out of it against a goats comp than a DPS comp.
I just for the love of god
Hope former dive or dual sniper doesnt become the dominant
I don't forsee Dive becoming dominant again.
The biggest thing people don't realize is how much dive got nerfed by the armor changes.
It'll still be situationally good.
But not dominant.
Sniper meta could come back.
But I think you could run a triple tank dive into double sniper.
Hammond Winston and D'va.
True but when its rein v rein
Its pretty goos
Hammond v Hammond doesnt connect well
But Rein v Rein is pretty good to watch and play
Lol
I'm too impatient on Rein.
I'm straight up Bumper.
Silver Charges and plat sneak shatters.
Sneak shatters are pretty good
If youre not that impatient
To just do it at the moment they go around a corner
I just want the meta to be more variety filled
Kinda like Chengdu v Titans in Hollywood and 66
Going to dps centric meta after tank centric
Playing rein is the same as playing a truck with whiplash
Will be iffy for me
I found this kinda funny
i dont see the fun part 🤔
Shanghai could be playoff material this year
If they get more consistent
In fact, a lot of teams are playoff material
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Shanghai did not have as explosive first games this stage
I think stage 2 and 4 strength of schedule has to work in their favour
feel like shanghai just had to figure stuff out with the sudden main tank buy
Pretty much let gamsu lead the way, and not flinch when he dies first so they can take advantage of their positioning
Playing Goats is so MOBA for Gamsu
He's strategizing for a team fight in League of Legends in an fps
sounds legit
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so the question is
Is that enough time for Stage 2
yes?
I wonder if they'll push the rest of the changes but not make Baptiste available.
So if you're out of the playoffs
Or even better, throw your chances if you're 4-2
You can spend more time on PTR
high IQ play right there
None of the players can expect it
Pro baptitiste player of the Gladiators when
They haven't announced if they're going to allow a patch during stage playoffs
Stability comes to mind if they don't
They didn’t do it last year
no games on thursday this time around, huh?
guess its cause we're almost to the playoffs
so baptiste will be live before stage playoffs
Doubtful
then whats the 3/19 for lol
where?
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Nah, some have done pro pugs with baptitiste on ptr
Idk what happened during the video, haven't had time to watch it
oh, this is only an hour ago?
awesome, then yeah sounds legit
geoff probably answered ages ago when he wasnt sure
cant wait for that patch
by the way, now that akshon highlights are gone, is there anyone else competent enough to carry the candle?
or are they all scared of blizzard?
so will playoffs be played on a new patch
doubt it
Late response but I mean what Fate said about moon instead of Kariv
of course not
teams cant adapt to a new patch that fast
would be kinda jarring too considering this is the goats dominant stage
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always loved the hunters
last game only amplified that
wish they would have won
would have been an amazing storyline
still a very admirable effort though
watching titans confused against double sniper tearing them apart was one of the most satisfying moments for me so far
i think that wouldve been a bigger story then shanghai gettin a win
you know I see on youtube videos like "Super says Ameng should have player of the match". I wonder if Koreans and Chinese fans also have "rediit"posts or videos like that lol
the valiant
swole kneck squad
how do we know all theese players are even gonna make it to the weekend without being traded
i mean seoul is probablly gonna keep that line up
same with dallas
same with paris
same with london
I think if that happend that will just be announced
with the "community pre season" nate was also suprised no one played serious
while you actually could know that
koreans have inven, though I heard thats incredibly toxic
not sure about china, but theres stuff like weibo
and I actually forgot about these home games
really curious how that turns out
as they are trying to push for those full time in s3
Best upcoming sniper duo: Happy and Shu
Who are the team captains for every team?
I know Envy for Toronto and I think it's Youngjin for SHD, but I have no clue about the others
i kinda dont pay attention to that
i had the impression it wasnt fixed, atleast for some teams
i know nyxl players think of mano as a leader but he doesnt himself
its a team effort or whoever does it best
yea or main tank
the maintank or the lucio are generally shotcaller in goats
fusions likes to dictate things, but everyone has diff style
yea tbh the captain role is total bs
i think if it mattered that much they would highlight it with the roles before the games
so yeah
Saebyeolbe is nyxl captain
you just do what the coach says
benched captain pogu
I miss him
atleast he played something though
but pine none
most teams dont even have captains
Ryujehong Captain
like justice and outlaws dont from what I've seen so far
Runner Captain
I hear it the most with ryu
Esca former captain BibleThump
idk, I do know kyb's name xd
whats the story behind that?
https://youtu.be/BOG9zKXBAuE saw it in this video
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I used to love mccreamy
unsubbed because stupid fortnite lol

he did good on both channels
I wish there were some more fans/content creators for OW, I don't mind people have different taste of genre's
all my friends who ever played OW are playing fornite because they can play together and are console players, you don't need to pay for internet (playstation plus) to play fortnite
that babybay dance tho
I loved that jjonak part lol
lmao
if we got the replay system I think that would really boost content creation
did someone actually feed people though?
this system was on a PS3 game in 2003 on call of duty black ops. why is OW taking so long to have this system..
whats the context behind that?
yep
ye, wonder if they will be slower now since activision fired alot of employees
imagine if they actually limited replay to just your perspective rather than anyone else's to avoid hurt feelings like the private profiles
wouldnt put it past them
i would be so mad
at this point they gotta decide whats actually good for the game rather than pleasing casuals
that kyb part transitioning to jake actually smashing his keyboard is also hilarious
xd
it would be so sweet if we got to download spectated games ingame or like off the pros on twitch
would def help with freshnuts and such
this system would help coaches alot aswell
haha ye
might wanna use it to figure out why washington is so washed up right now though
when on OWWC
I saw some clips on reddit and seagull stream who watched some stuff what happend.. was amazing how many extra details you could get
how libero used barage but avoid getting killed by dva mech that was boosting to libero
i think seagull was a huge part on opening people's eyes on zacharee lmao
it was deserved though
or how kruise booped rein on their team
yeah for sure
haha lol ye
he said he didnt mean to talk bad on him but the damage was done
KRUISE IS A FEEDEEERRRR
he was actually feeding so bad on that titans game lol
almost like he was pushing for it to be true
dogman is wise
I hope he can fix his mistakes
he predicts the future
dogman creating a meme before its a meme
I wonder if NYXL lose matches.. I could see them winning the full season if they winning this stage
I'm waiting for dogman to pop off and yell "Let me impose zen on you come back bitches"
people are just gonna bot out and say sandbagging whenever nyxl loses lol
even though they look a lot better so far
they look better every match
the one with seoul, they lose one, fall back and know why they fall back and win crazy pushes
yeah, and its ridiculous to me they are downplaying all their achievements in 2018
also if they switch heroes they look sure every time
not like the final were everything (besides it being a sudden new meta shift)
yeah that was weird with the one support going on
I did enjoy hotba popping off lol
hes definitely showing it now with charge
sadly I miss a lot of reign's games
and Paris forgat how to play dive
LOL
smh
happens to use when you just mace 24/7
you*
how did glads 4-0 reign?
I didnt watch any of that game
also I saw charge playing weird comp against gladiators, they won after all but when charge played weird comp, glads did not know how to play against that comp. I think NYXL have a plan against every comp
well
I saw on this discord
someone said that dafran said that they lost in scrims against glads. and I guess because of this they are afraid of glads so they played to afraid
also decay is popping off
decay is a lot of the reason they look so much better now
like seoul cant win from london there can be a chance that ATL can't win from glads. its ofcourse to early to say
300K put to good use
ye lol
I dont think surefour is one of the best zarya's out there
but last week
who impressed me the most are DIEM from shanghai and Ameng from Hunters
ameng pog
damn did you saw shanghai vs london ?
ameng's awakening as a true chad
had player of match stolen
profit popping off on hanzo and diem popping off on widow
diem was playing widow on points where widow is not being played, and they looked crazy
im just glad i didnt miss any of hunters vs titans
probably the best of that week
oh i always knew he was an insane widow
I bet money on shanghai so I was hoping so much and it was so close so I enjoyed that match more. but i'm sad hunters did not win
yeah it was so disappointing
only shanghai played a player that is named " guardian" he did not look great.. they did play bad on that map
they played it way too safe on nepal round 1
yeah
what the hell was that whole team rotation on the payload lol
costed them badly
bumper was definitely scared though
did some really bad plays lol
ameng dominated
but.. I will say
I don't think that titans really prepared for this match, they only can play against goats in scrims and they was thinking like " well just play goats and we win"
jjanu on hammond was questionable
Well Titans used to play dive
the idea is that the team who lost from hunters are the one who try to mirror their comp. so teams realized to play meta (goats) because it will be stronger than any other comp. but no one expected hunters to goats aswell
yeah, but I think most teams got too comfy with goats
True
I really hope this hasnt affected the mechanical skills of most dps stars
as we know, you lost it if you dont practice as often
lose*
what I said earlier on ATL match, on first point anubis you can play (maybe even better) other comps. but on second point anubis you have to. that was seen in the hunters match aswell
Yeah I've noticed that too
yes
@north tendon I don't think their skills declined cause I think they just stream or play by themselves
Hotba tracer looked scarier than a dps player lol.. idk who was it again
Isn't that sinattra
not that
effect?
but sinattra was a tracer player playing zarya these days
I saw someone else saying it, did not watch alot of charge matches actually
yea sin has a nasty zarya
Ameng looked like gladiators fissure
but on LA gladiators vs Charge, hotba looked scary to on Pharah
I did watch his stream and a off-season match vs charge. did not expect good rein
And hell probably remain on seoul
he played to much hammond
until he whines about how seoul players suck and arent on his level
then find another team
lmaoooo
fissure to hangzhou
but I believe he was a big part of gladiators making a better team in s1
lol pls no, I love spark and guxue
So fissure to the next korean expansion team 
know that london did not say that seoul wanted him in S1..
yeah
im puzzled by spark's recent losses
they looked like such a good team
seem unlucky
Itd be a lul if nosmite went to seoul in exchange for fissure
or not too coordinated
My friend got so dissapointed in spark after their losses
They did the seoul effect
yeah I love watching them, but it hurts
Have a dominant looking roster pre season
I think florida and justice may have some changes...
I will say this word wrong but seoul needs to work on their " consitency"
coulda waited a bit more
I would expect most of the bottom teams to make alot of trade moves
consistency, yeah
they are like dallas 2018
they kinda always were though
could never really get out of that
lol yeah true
And perform like a solid roster
maybe lunatichai was good because of the match system. winners stay, losers out. thats why NYXL did great in stage matches but lost in playoffs
reign has a good run
And then dallas buggered off until stage 4 last year
Although reign 4-0 loss to glads did change perspective
surprise taimou popping off back in form
if boston somehow is in the stage matches
^ dafran said we expected to much out of them to beat lag
since he just turned 18
no way seoul can be in the stage playoffs 😦
lol dafran loves to downplay himself, thats a lot more refreshing than acting cocky to me though
yeah doesnt look like it
At least dafran admits he and the team fucked up
And said they had a shot against houston and chengdu
the team atmosphere on reign is certainly amazing
so that will carry them in future games
I have a party so i can't watch seoul vs london.. I was waiting for this match because I want to see seoul possible win their first game against london/gc busan
yea it would be an interesting one
but not like im too crazy about it either lol
but most of the week looks boring so might as well
ye im a seoul fan so xd
oh then that sucks
Sunday is interestinf
I dont expect alot from them
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yea you shouldnt be lol
that match is gonna be spicy
Guangzhou vancouver to end stage 1
Thats interestinfg
philly paris can be fun if paris improved in their practice time lol
i bet thats most seoul fans
nop @north tendon
that was a really funny rage moment
and uber was like "that shirt is not too nutritious in content im afraid"
lmaoooo
love his jokes
yeah that one
realize that their numbani win was just kinda luck..
korean looked like
yeah that numbani win was a wtf moment lol
i guess the jonak getting booped off helped things
NYXL is only improving
its so satisfying to watch them, they are like teachers of peak overwatch
part of why i love them, but pine was the first love
I liked alot since LW blue, was a fan of fl0w3r.. but I don't like if matches are so one sided
yeah, I would like for a team to give us more of a challenge
which is why I look forward to titans
in playoffs possibly
I knew pine would be a fan favorite if he had playtime s1, when I saw him the first time I was like " pog"
I hope titans go against the NYXL
yeah apparently sbb said everyone called pine insane back then in korea
polish, seems very likely
defiant is slowly improving, like S1 stage 1 NA teams looked bad but LAV and LAG all became playoff teams aswell
I don't know much about them
i think a lot of the roster was from a good team in korean contenders
and neko from boston helped a lot
envy and ivy look crazy, we know about neko ofcourse but their staff have alot of respect, so thats why I can see them improving
yeah and I like their skin color
before fusion vs nyxl this off season
I did not expect nenne being so good
he haves the best zarya stats I believe
don't see sbb pine or fl0w3r really playing zarya that good aswell
i think nenne is the 3rd damage wise
but yeah his stats are amazing
i didnt either
nyxl just keeps finding talent lol
the surprise tracer stall was also crazy
kind of a sneak peek of what he can do when dps are back
yeah when he died on brig early
I remember nenne playing tracer on numbani
2 kills with pulse
than went back to switch back on zarya
think this is a strong part from NYXL and some other teams, that they have good control on the stalling swaps
I remember when Estern did swap off tracer and some believed it was Dafran lol
nyxl is one step away from being a actual dynasty
yeah
@trim shadow inb4 they sandbag cause they’re too busy playing Minecraft
inb4 the sandbag because jjonak wants to play apex legends
Vancouver vs NY. Who would win?
i just joined so idk if this question has already been asked
Lol dafran was such a bad pick
nyxl would win
He's still, overall, considered quite overhyped by most. He's been improving but he's more or less on the OWL average - he's got history with the Atlanta staff so he wasn't a bad pick up.
But they probably could have saved a lot of money and gotten a random contenders Korean and been in the same exact spot.
But they get merch sales from his fanbase.
So he'll probably pay for himself in that way.
So far none of the super hyped people have really blown anyone away. Decay is looking like he's able to.
But he looked shaky as shit at the start.
dafran is an excellent pick
he could be the biggest bot in the league and he'd be a great pick
LaGlads still not doing that well. Better with decay of course
simply monetarily he's huge for atlanta
Drafran is the only owl streamer
dont think thats true
hes the only high profile owl streamer
probably the only one who could be full time if owl stopped
and / or fired
but Carpe, Saya, EFFECT, most of the Dallas players, Houston players, Agilities all stream
Yeah I meant high profile
I'm pretty sure most of the owl players streams
Speaking of which will Outlaws beat Regin?
If Regin doesn't have dafran
3-1 at worst
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Is dafran still playing every match?
Outlaws 
everyone dallas streams espect closer
on*
and ofc cocky houston fans are back at it again
Dafran mechanically is good pick but hes not the greatest
Houston: gets fucking rolled
he's definitely a great pick for publicity
but yeah i dont think Houston will get even 2 maps off of ATL
im gonna do what bren did to houston if they get 4-0
no sideshow my bad
Probably just a troll tbh
like that over the doorway grav
what an absolutely garbage team how dare you call me out -sideshow
which is kind of easy to do in pro play
He’s like XQC but not toxic
he pulled out his british accent saying that
i get people really like the over the doorway grav
but i dont think its that impressive to be held up like that
its just a unique way to ensure a grav
even though its a bit slow
houston bragged about beating the valiant so i show no mercy to houston
i dont think houston posting that vid was being cocky
its just ofc youre the teams social media
youre not gonna say like oh i cant wait for the team im spreading around in twitter to lose against atl
houston shouldve knownn they were gonna get backlash for bosting about a win over a team in disaray
Yeah the houstons are a little arrogant
define "little" lol
ooo london lost to shd? 😮
yep
last season won 0 games, this season won more than 0 in stage 1, how can you not be happy?
you sure love that emoji
Imagine being cocky when you won because the #20 Team choked
Valiant?
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Today I would usually work, watch a ongoing anime than waiting for OWL
No match today 😦
What games r u guys looking for forward to?
I wanna see the Spitfire dynasty match, Reign hunters, and charge titans
ATL v CDH, PHI v PAR and GZC v VAN should all be good games to watch
Spitfire dynasty I think will be really underwhelming, probably just 3-1 spitfire
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I only wanna see it cuz they’re both Korean “superteams” that are flopping
0-0 residentsleeper
Lmao
That’s pretty accurate
3-1 atl - cdh? Not when my boy AMENG shows up
i want cdh to win lmao
just use the owplayoffmachine to post game scores
I’m on mobile 😦
i'm sure it still works on mobile
hm
now the actual site on pc wont let me do other than 4-0s zz
nvm its just off the page
seems legit
maybe Washington gets their first win, but the rest I agree with
agree with/can see happening
yea if i could pick 0-0 for washington/mayhem i would
lol
problem with philly is they're so inconsistent
i can honestly see any result out of that game
5 map five games?
same for washington mayhem
Just hope Charge can upset Titand 👀
I hope justice goes 0-7 and Titans don’t go 7-0
i think they go to map 5 or lose all their games tbh
they do have nyxl and sf tho...
so thats 2 losses
and the first match of stage 2 is LAG
ahh yeah, 4 losses
depends which LAG shows up
my problem is i genuinely cant see nyxl losing a game
the only time i can imagine them losing is against titans
Yeah they probably wont
who they dont play till stage 4
stage playoffs?
I wish I had a life
o
in playoffs so much changes haha
yeah, i just thing chengdu are more consistent
shanghai on their good days, when dding pops off, are mid to high tier
imo
I like dding, but ameng is big brain
mid tier actually
but when they dont, they're low
chengdu are just consistently mid
mid to low
I mean if you go from performing like low mid tier one week then next week
Almost upset the fuxking top team
and jinmu is a madlad
quoting sideshow btw
bumper is a mad cunt
that charge vs shock
Gets outshat by a hammond main
on volskaya
lol that ezclap we gucci
yeah
shanghai, seoul, guangzhou, valiant, mayhem, chengdu, boston
the only "hard" match id say is charge
He suicide ults.
gzc, seoul and valiant could all be hard
If Seoul replaces Fissure with Marve1
@pearl stratus didnt bumper do that too
Seoul will be challenging
i think VAL comes back hard in stage 2
It's different when you've got Runaway to back you up.
fair point
Jinmu is a proud independent flying egyptian suicide bomber
When he Genji Blades at a Brig, without having Dash up.
Who dont need no team
And turns it into a 3k.
xd
Or watch how low to the ground aggro he gets on Pharah.
He's in Rein swing range 90% of the time.
that play vs mayhem i presume?
I don't think it was Mayhem, I think it was a real team.
it means absoloutely nothing right now and will definitely change
but
this is how i see stage 2 right now
Minus Chengdu and Shanghai I mostly agree with that.
the game or the places
Shanghai, in my opinion, has one of the best DPS duos in the league overall right now.
I see them going 4-3 or 5-2.
4-3 if we don't see sniper stuff.
5-2 if we do.
i think they'll definitely lose to nyxl glads and shock
glads is up in the air for me
definitely win vs mayhem, justice and outlaws
nyxl and shock is a definite loss
70-30 to shock?
I think, depending on how the meta settles, they'll take time to figure out their DPS rotation which can cost them games.
Yes, to shock.
also @queen drift why charge so low?
It's also very tongue in cheek Dapper.
Because its still stuck drawing primarily on goats numbers.
and how the teams are performing rn
which i think will majorly change in stage 2
espescially valiant
all this is honestly pointless but its pretty interesting to me
For instance if we end up in a sniper meta, GZC will jump a ton of spaces.
Because they have Happy/Shu.
etc, etc, etc.
Architect is still kind of a question mark widow to me
on specifically widow i'd maybe take babybay tbh
yeh i agree
as a general hitscan id go architect
I think the flex worry will still be there though, which does limit Babybay.
Architect was never a bad Widow.
striker?
Strikers not a great Widow.
striker picked up widow recently
hes only played once this season right?
yeah but that doesnt mean much at all
Yeah, Goats doesn't suit a rotation.
hes a tracer player primarily
Tracer/Junkrat from what we saw in Season 1.
what about rascal, his hero pool is weird as hell
rascal is libero lite
wut are his main heroes?
Just not at the highest levels.
o lol
mainly i think genji
Main heroes would be (imo) McCree, Pharah, Genji.
For a projectile base he's got a really nasty McCree.
I'd argue EQO could join that conversation a bit as well.
Not -as- broad, but he's got a larger pool than most including some off-tanks.
id say Libero is top tier
Profit below him with Rascal
Flow3r below them
and eqo just below him
Yeah Libero -> Profit -> Rascal -> Flower/EQO.
I won't separate tehm because Fl0w3r looked like shit all contenders.
Someone sent this in the London spitfire server
So I'd need to see him play again
It’s so bad
yeahhh
im going mainly based on what ive seen of him pre contenders cuz contenders had a couple excuses
injury, ping, new team, etc
Fair, but that was like.. two years ago. So I'm treating him like a new player basically.
Also he'd have to go crazy to impress me over what Nenne has shown so far.
I think the meta heavily favours nenne over flower
Yeah, but even Nenne's tracer was good.
yeah but flowers tracer was never at nennes level
its hard to compare them
nenne has always been tracer zarya
I think its hard to imagine him getting much play time because I couldn't see playing LIbero + Fl0w3r over Libero + Specialist.
flower has always been widow genji soldier
But thats me personally.
Or Libero + Pine, etc. Basically always Libero + [X]
i might play flower over pine
I think it would depend on the meta, if it was a hard lock sniper meta I think you're fine letting him one trick his widow.
If nothing else having it be pine is a mental game for the other team.
id say it for the opposite tbh
if you want a widow one trick its fine to take flower over pine
if you need the cree, flower is useless
they both have big problems
Yeah, minus Libero I've never felt like NYXL had a crazy strong DPS line up. They're very good at what they do, but they don't do much.
If that makes sense.
SBB is an insane tracer with a unique play style, his McCree is okay.. then he just kind of falls off.
I like SBB, seems like a chill guy
He's really only known for popping off in OWWC 2017
Is probably the best zarya im the league
Hell ye he is
I know fl0w3r because of apex before OWWC
He did stall the payload once insanly long and reflected rascal's mei ult so thats why he had a big name early
When I saw the korean roster of 2017 I was upset that fl0w3r was not on the roster, they named him nanohana that time or someone else was first placed on his spot but they changed it to fl0w3r so when I saw that I was happy since I hope to see fl0w3r with ryujehong at that time
To say fl0w3r is washed up is the same of saying fusions is washed up of his contenders play after owwc
Except Fusions didn't have to deal with multiple (I think we're at ... #3 or #4?) injuries based on his hands and fingers completely changing the way he aims.
Not really
You're making a very incorrect, unintelligent, and factually wrong comparison.
Fusions didn’t peak as high nor sink as low as flower
Besides nenne he knew that he had a 100% spot in OWL so why tryhard? Besides that he had some wrist injury
SeoMinSoo > Nenne On zarya this stage
meh
So far Fusions has: Played in Contenders, Played in the OWWC, kept smashing in OWL.
He's not had a plateau yet.
Nor a descent.
btw do you think Ameng is actually a megachad reinhardt or did he just have a really good game
I think ChronoDota did the best job analyzing that question @smoky spade
Possibly both
You could argue flower didn’t have a plateau either tbh, he was playing better and better and better then got injured
His style is completely unorthodox, and flat out wrong, in so many situations that it counters Bumpers style very heavily.
How many Reins legitimately go for the max range defensive shatters Ameng did?
The answer is pretty much none of them.
So Bumper would be ranged pretty far out and go to Firestrike which is the normal play.
And Ameng, being a gigachad, would just throw out Shatter.
The aggressive defense
Someone like Mano wouldn't shatter in those situations because its just... why? Why would you risk that?
But Ameng, being Chinese, knows no fear or coordination.
He only knows chinese shenanigans.
It’s very much so like why bumper is so successful himself
They’re such ‘bad’ plays they work out
Is Ameng a garbage Rein? I'd argue after that game you can't say he's completely garbage, but he got away with being an unknown.
Eh I'd have to see him play against other Reins first.
It could go either way from what Ive seen
His Rein was almost designed to counter Bumpers.
imo Bumper is a mediocre rein for OWL only enabled by his super good support players
Like RUI coached him how to play an Anti-Bumper Rein.
Most dps hadn’t picked up zarya until goats, and now imo the best zaryas in the league are dps players
And they took advantage of bumper a LOT.
They took advantage of Bumper as much as Bumper took advantage of himself.
Who knows, maybe RUI will coach Ameng to be a good OWL rein in general and just destroy Bumper
RUI coaching against other weakbessez and traits is so fitting and useful for a unorthodox team though it would take more precision to do each time
Probably not.
Yeah probably not



