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Old talent desk is so much bette than this shit
Agreed
do i talk about the open division here?
i guess, usually its OWL or at least contenders
oh, then you are probably looking for #lf-players-na
okay, thanks
or even use the open division discord
wheres that at
i DM you the invite link
anyone here ever wish there was a system where you could trade OWL skins in for other OWL skins
Not a trade to other players, but just like a system where, say you would lose a skin to get a different skin
that means less money
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Atlanta 3-1
Philly 3-1
Could go either way 3-2
Vancouver 3-1 seeing what atlanta did
or 4-0
undefined GZC vs GLA
you want a new team
because decay in a team full of experienced owl players are playing like a new team
The LA teams are pretty screwed this season
It’s gonna be an uphill battle for both teams
To make the postseason playoffs
Tonight’s match winners are gonna be
Atlanta
Phili
Toronto
Inb4 Atlanta chokes now people expect wins
vancouver would have to be the ones choking
they're undefeated and the favourites to win
If Vancouver chokes it would only be tradition
nope it's an even-numbered season
I’m gonna go Atlanta, LAV, Toronto just for the hell of it
Space doesn’t deserve to be on a 0-6 team
so, i am just working on my predictions for this owl weekend. I probably missed something. Why are the dragons and the fuel playing against each other again? i think i missed that. or is my match schedule just bugged out?
and why is that?
it's just a quirk of the schedule
scheduling be like that sometimes
all teams play their own division twice, and DAL/SHD just happened to be close to each other
okay, well, that does make that game quite interesting.
when gladiators bouta get bullied by reighn but gladiators your favorite team so you have to sit and watch it happen
😢
#sheildsdown😢
😦 
I think gladiators could get better but it might be a little late to make playoffs
Decay holds some of the top Zarya stats right now but he looks a little lost when it comes to staying with the team
Maybe they’ll make the play in bracket
theoretically teams are likely going to need at least 12 wins to even get into the play-in bracket.
realistically they'll likely need more. both houston and seoul were 22-18 last year and missed the playoffs
so teams are likely to go 14-14 to have a shot
@limber pine that's the odd thing. Seoul Dynasty on paper is one of the best teams., but they don't make playoffs
Seoul is really good on paper, they just choke way too often
did everyone miss the speed run reference uber made?
he made a joke i think it was about london
after it came back from the break just saying
this is the any% run of london
cause they did the map so fast
i thought it was funny
@tawny sigil was this the game against LAG
think so
gladiators will be better when goats ends and they can utilize their dps properly
same with a lot of other teams
tho
Yeah some teams will even become more dominant
When will goats end tho
Who knows?
The addition of Baptiste made all this GOATs bs worse
Now teams can replace Brig with Bap and have MORE AOE HEALING
Plus the immortality crap and OWL will be the GOATS league
I wonder how Paris will do if the meta was dive again. Soon and shadowburn can for sure be the good dps out there. Even Nico can I believe. but their main tanks and support ?
LHCloudy's time to shine
Slightly surprised Valiant never used Finnsi throughout all of last season
They did have Space tho, so...
Finnsi also Had Visa problems
oof
honestly I hate the whole "signing players but never using them thing"
Like I understand why they do it
But it's literally some talent sitting on the bench
The actual fuck is this week's schedule?
Today and tomorrow the games start 90 mins later instead of starting at the same time?
Why won't you want to finish the day earlier if you have 3 matches instead of 4
And then Saturday time is the same as usual but then for some reason Sunday's games start 1 hr earlier?
@cedar drum Sunday's should be the same time
but yeah, idk why they didn't take the last game off of thurs/fri
vancouver will beat paris, i just dont see paris as that great
Paris is overrated atm, Vancouver will win
And yeah the schedule is really fucked up this week
@limber pine OW league app shows different starting times for Saturday and Sunday, Sunday starts 1 hr earlier than usual.
Also, then next week both days start 1 hr earlier than usual too.
mine show the same
but i'm using desktop and not the app
soooo maybe the app is off?
nope mine are the same
Can I share screenshots here?
Wait....is that daylight savings thing Americans have happening on Sunday?
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Atlanta can kill another team lol
Atlanta's gonna roll everyone except Vancouver and NYXL
I wonder who can beat Vancouver
@mint flower they did lose to philly
Stage 2 will be interesting
Although if they played again I think it would go the other way
atlanta has a strong dps linup remember
London will be a lot more comfortable
I feel like Atlanta's gonna get to a point where expectations are really high and then they choke
Like NYXL
Though London has a high chance of making stage 1 playoffs now
lol ur right
I don't think they're making the finals
Vancouver will choke after stage 1
definitely quarterfinals but I don't see them in the grand finals
Vancouver will have trouble with goats gone but theyll still be a top team
Also atlanta will make semi or finals depending on who they play
If they get stuck against vancouver or xl early then ya
But otherwise they’ll be fone
Fine
they will
i placed them at 11th
I think they’ll lose to Vancouver and then shock
they’re overrated but not bad
thats not a bad guess
But they still make it with that
London will win all the rest of their games
They're not bad, but not as good as they're hyped up to be
They might even lose to charge
The 4 teams I can confidently say will make it to this stages playoffs are London, NY, Atlanta and Vancouver
eh I guess
And they’ve been doing much better with guard on the team
Oh they switched it?
Yeah
Still birdrings zarya isnt great
oh I see
Yeah def better
8 I think
yes
@supple prism So it is the daylight savings thing, makes perfect sense.
I could also see SFS getting in
But they go against NYXL and Paris
If they’re able to beat Paris they have a shot
Phili also had a good chance, but they would also have to beat Paris
I’ll actually add TD to my list of teams getting in cause they have 2 matches that they should win coming up
shock will be in
spark could've made it in easily, but their chances aren't looking too good
as a dragons fan, i'm hoping that they at least get into one stage final
How likely do you guys think that is?
I'm thinking like 40%
ehh
this final? not super likely
they needed to win vs dallas
final is significantly lower
oh playoffs? very possible but depends on how they adapt to new non goats meta
assuming that that's coming soon
I'm not saying necessarily this stage
I realize lol
My question is whether sombra is gonna become a must pick for EMP bc she isn't getting nerfed this patch
When baptiste comes into play bunker comps are gonna be way more common, EMP would destroy that
if you could farm it
Right now on PTR there's more than a few answer to bunkers.
Mei (imperfect, ult charges too slowly but -completely- destroys it), McCree, Offensive Bastion, Sombra.
Orissa bunker has a lot more flaws with the increase of shield break potential now.
Her shield health is pretty low overall, unless you plan on Bunkering with a D'va (most will)
Which sucks because you lose Orissa+Hog ball and chain combo.
You guys think bastion will become common , especially in low ranks
Im in high gold, low plat, and i see bastion all the time
Probably not any more than he already is
I'd say if anything he just becomes more popular in higher ranks
@slow walrus it’s safe to say goats is gonna be a lot less prominent after the next balance patch
Zarya has a lot less DPS potential, Lucio can’t give the team the same speed it used to have, zen got an overall buff but his discord got nerfed which means goats teams won’t be able to target members as easily
baptiste is prob gonna kill dive too
Let's be honest though, she was needed.
It's just that her other abilities stacked with her kit cause issues.
If you had a hero who could simply stun the way she can and healed in a different way, maybe didn't provide aoe healing, we wouldn't have this goats problem.
kit is op as hell. she shouldn't have been a support hero
just a defensive dps with close range stuns and melee
if you remove the healing from her kit and have her like release it still kills dive but doesn't break the game and make 3-3 viable

Not really
She would still need the self heal to be even semi viable
She would be the target of dive, not the stopper of it
Yeah
If it was just a close range hero she’d get jumped on by a winston/dva combo and get rolled
The problem is dive used to be such an overpowering meta too
Like goats
Toning down her flail damage wouldn't be the worst thing they could do either. Give her the crowd control abilities, but put the onus on another team member to actually deal the damage.
is taimou still good?
I'm maybe late with this topic but I think that players need to grind hard even if they are signed. Boston played Snow for one match I believe but he was not close with skills as kellex and thats one reason we won't see him this season in OWL
They do grind hard...
Taimou is a hitscan player and does not fit in this meta, thats why we dont see pine/babybay etc aswell
Most teams practice for at least 7-8 hours a day
if not more
and the whole team practices, not just the starters
There are players who are not invited to scrims if they are not starters. For example seagull before he played off tank
That doesn't mean he wasn't grinding tho
I mean like ronaldo grinding
I mean, yes, snow is good for contenders
But at this moment I would not sign him for OWL
They are all grinding for their team's minimal hours, which is probs 7-8 hours
But most players grind for even longer
Thats why we see AKM more often
Well that's cuz zarya suits aKm more than it does Effect
That's not to say that Effect is a bad Zarya
Akm was before OWL only good with soldier, same with sbb tracer. They are now insane widow players and for AKM example also a good zarya. Thats shows how hard he is practicing
Yeah he also had the entire offseason is prep tho
All the players did, some players are just better than others at certain roles
And for aKm, he fits the Zarya role better than effect
Again, that doesn't mean effect isn't a good Zarya or isn't practicing
no I think you misunderstand me abit
but, what if ur a player that is always benched. not talking about this meta. what could you do
the story of seagull is insane actually
SDB, Pine, etc.
Like, maybe you were a scandinavian tank player playing for Philly?
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F for fragi
F indeed
I don't think he's starting again, unless sado gets injured or sick
@night tusk Seagull could've picked up any hero the team needed
Actual legend
even on rein meta..
but I know the staff love sado and yes, he is indeed a really good winston
@mint flower that bird will come back, stronger than ever. watch and see
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I don't think seagull gonna play pro overwatch ever
wow thought games start now?
oh, thanks
in one hour will watchpoint start
@idle beacon I hope Seagull returns too, like a lot of people, but like @night tusk said, it's pretty unlikely
He's even said on stream that he's done for the foreseeable future of his overwatch career
Let's go dragons!
I honestly would like to see Calvin play in OWL aswell.. but he really does not want it
It is funny that he is great friends with dogman and this guy is living his live and really enjoys OWL
@candid tendon Yeah reign bouta take a fat W
Let's get some Dafran pog plays
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO DOOOOOOOOOOOOD
READY FOR SOME :residentsleeper: GOATS
yup
Aw poor glads I hope they win

I'm all for the gladiators but I feel like they're gonna lose
lets go papa dafran
what is this new dumbass schedule
just one less game on thursday and friday right???
yea
banshee lady in the audience today ?
games start at 8 30
15 min
i think its so next week lack of days are gonan be less disappointing
"kinda like valiant, but winning" ouch
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@coarse ginkgo Fusion in week 1
@coarse ginkgo https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/match/21261 is their loss
@warm quartz hey, at least the banshee has not activated yet. you will hate the crowd more with her in there
@wintry kraken i know
its dafran time soon
Dogman calling people feeders
yikes
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Valiants: "WE'RE NOT BAD" as it proceeds to show them at the bottom of the standings
nah they succ
imagine if they use the gladiators song again LUL
THEY DID IT
last time it happend lol
spark came up and you hear "GLADIATORS"
I think the music will happend everytime and other teams try to have their own one soon
Hydration is such a latino guy, all those fucking names
atleast someone
on NYXL everyone screamed for every player and when meko showed up it was silence.. I felt bad for him lol
dont get it
meko is a carry
everyone is basically a carry but
meko works really well with mano
fanbase, off tank some times does not look that star player while it is
oof rip masaa
guys its pokpo playing not poko
theyve been facing the easier teams
and theyll be facing the easier teams for the rest of the stage
well
except for paris
kinda
So doesn't that make them top 3 for the stage then?
Paris could easily fall a long way from grace. They have what, 4 matches to go?
why did they have lucio touch the point but then the rest of the team fight up on the stairs
well that you can say "easier teams" make nyxl better in general
why not bring the fight to the point
Paris has
those swipes omg. someone is going to have RSI at age of 20
a tough week this one
Because you fight over the point, not on the point.
dam
lag is winning
damn that was some poor target focus from atlanta
big hold
if atl lose thats sad
its only the first game
but glads are really stepping up
EZ Clap
glads are messy
so many low or 1 hp targets that arent dying
but theyre getting the job done
dafran should torb
4Head
gladiators on the ups
pokpo dying too often
Dafran even believes his team will lose today
dogman is using discord but no healing orb
couldnt they get on the ups after today
Gladiators fucked them up in scrims
avg 77% energy wtf
glads focusing pokpo hard
Well pokpo is getting mega focused
decay wtf
My nightmares are becoming real
state farm
the boys
idk what statefarm is
insurance company
^
american insurance
wtf is monty wearing btw
its a bolo tie
Kodak
kodak
yeah he's wearing a bolo tie
Kodakkkkkk
Kodak, i guess the company won't sue him because they are mostly gone 😄
theres a lot of references to outside shit in owl
racist raisin?
i dont think they can sue over it
??
@minor flame https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodak if you meant me
OUCH
wow
kodak pls
well i was wrong
one push
bruh moment
perhaps dogman should be playing
kodak moment
GOATS ResidentSleeper
no one uses SD cards anymore either
Glads rolled the Reign in scrims
atlanta are playing really badly
holy shit glads are rolling
oh shi
a team play good does not mean enemy team plays bad xd
Dethrow
big goose go
Lmao
I know it doesnt mean that
glads is fucking steamrolling
Which is why I said
atlanta looks really lost
Atlanta is playing bad
Um has anyone from la died
maybe Atlanta wants to do a reverse sweep
Im gunna kill myself
To emphasise and clarify that I did in fact mean that Atlanta are playing badly
VOIF
it's like the thing that happened to spark
they play aggro and cant heal pokpo, they should not be afraid and play aggro aswell
theyre forgetting how to play the game
MASAA
barely held that
masaa needs to carry
that was ester
?? you literally just said it was good
erster and masaa held that
roar watch out youre gonna die
oh no hes korean he cant hear our comms
HUGE
bro kill decary
reign has constantly had ults its weird
o god
Daircy
oof that soundbarrier
lmfao bye reign
shaz ult was clean
dafrans so outta position
not really out of position when
jesus fuck reign looks significantly worse than last week
everyone is fucking dead
tjose glasses tho
dva ult just did not pick anything and that punished pokpo charge
gladiator fans are super extra
you mean
and glads are finally
cuz of the extra weight
showing some redeemance
LMAO
so you can expect from cheer
inb4 we keep saying they look so bad but they'll roll all of us in a game
Dafran may not be playing well because he expects to lose
tru
Or sandbagging because they have confirmed spot in the playoffs
Might be because they expected to roll them too
So like they may be like “why bother”
Ye
only NYXL can sandbag xd
they dontr have a confirmed spot
if they lose the rest of their games and certain people win theirs they wont make it
ATL is very
Oh i thought the commentators said they did?
messy
dafran literally admitted on his stream that the gladiators rolled the reign in scrims.
^^^
nyxl is
ATL match ups have been easy for them
except for maybe Paris if you can say that
and this now
Disney XD
Lol
lul
Mayhem isn't even bad
did the stream just die?
CDH
rip
F
refresh
refresh
reload fixed it for me
refresh
rigged LUL

wowowow
theyre so afraid
of doing anything
the moment they go aggressive they go passive again
hard to watch
DACO LMAO
what utter humilation lmao
GLA is doing great
VOIDODJOFPADJF
Love both teams but SHIELDS UP 
HAHAHAHA
EATEN
Honestly, its humiliating if you're an ATL fan @spring heath
Honestly
Atlanta v Reign
void is having a good game
pokpo?
Cmon don’t be selfish
Atlanta rolled and smoked last week
atl fan
500 IQ shatter by Pokpo
should be
Also gladiators have a fucking bomb ass song
it's like they're a worse version of nyxl rn
finally
its not like ATL is doing bad
so many people are atl fans just for dafran though xD the gf is admittedly in that category
they actually did something
naaa i like Masaa more than I like dafran tbh
agree
OT lmao
I like atl cause I lived there
nah.. that can also mean that the enemy is doing better
masaa is amazing
Voids first death
time for ATL to turn up
shit man
void is daddy
35-15 elims oof
if vancouver wins from NYXL, that does not mean NYXL = bad xd
he's doing so well
I don’t exactly have a single team in OWL
My main teams are NYXL, London and Atlanta
But I’ll still watch and root for other teams when I feel like it
Still a Fuel fan, despite the nonsense xD
And I like a bunch of other teams
SHD fan here LUL
When you are a floridian so u r forced to support florida mayhem
bruh im so happy for the dragons
then hangzhou but only bc its bubblegum
Seoul first 😦 but love every team
NYXL cause I live near NY, London cause profit got me into OWL and Atlanta cause they’re my fav expansion team
ryujeheong is thicc now
less time
rooting for ny atl
@coarse ginkgo ur not rlly forced to follow any team
im Chicago so i dont choose NYXL
Boston Uprising, ATL have been the teams i have been enjoying so far
hello all
Fusions really made me like Boston
dlakfj
that solograv on shaz

hilarious
oooo that was such a nice boop from masaa
it worked out
did you see that yaenon
it did
oh shiii
its not a stab against it
eatin my words
its just funny to see
I’m sad surefour isn’t playing tonight
VOID
OMG
op
oof
rip
thicc bomb
lmfao
simple and clean
KH ref
looks rough for ATL
draw or lose
ohhhhhhhh
Nice
feek
why not use grav on the left hand turn??
lets go
DID THEY HAVE TIME
nice
if they manage to have a full hold now
no
fuck
I feel like LAG is only good against strong teams
Who's up?
LAG
Torb plz 😦
Kk
i'm just ~glad~ this game isnt trash
fuck joff
joff
fuck you too
D:
At work feels bad. Shields up!
That's the spirit
its 3am here, but tommorow free day 😃
let it reign 😎
GG LAG
AND DONE
gg
why they so agroooo
gg
reverse sweep possible ?
lol
big goose won that for glads
that was like
jesus christ
that was fast
The goose is loose
yes possible
wtf
they shouldve went torb LOL
Didn't watch first map, but was it one sided?
rekt
Why was that only 1 tick
yes
yeah
#throw4Dafran bois
lol
wa ck
I don't mind if ATL lose but i'm just afraid dafran can't handle loses .... for real..
Also, how come no SureFour?
Ok
None of that
Goose is making me question masaa as #1 western lucio
its 1 tick because ATL capped in overtime
@night tusk tru
@feral jacinth ATL pushed payload in OT, Glads checked in 2 mins and 30 secs
With half time
that lucio boop was fukken hot
ATL cant attack and only efend
Ohhh
Dafran is going back to mcdonalds after this
Ok
Decay is the better Zarya mechanically
BigGoose has and always will be number 1 ludio
harrys cat
lucio
and torb prob wouldve been bad
goose is a feeder
I know the problem
that boop onto pokpo won them the map
GUYS
If you think that is feeding then I think your understanding of feeding is incorrect
Daco almost died too
DAFRAN FORGOT TO GET TWITCH PRIME
lol
That’s why he can’t play
thanks to the pro pugs the other night the only thing i can hear with Biggoose's name is "GOOSE WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU"
@opal spruce lmao
haha big goose wants to make the plays masaa makes
its like half his kit
then his feeding is winning the game for glats
masaa is a feeder too
“I SAID I WAS FLANKING LISTEN TO MY CALLOUTS”
At 0-2 right now Masaas plays don't mean shit.
masaa can feed me his
monkaS

same tho
lmao
cereal
cookie dough
maybe dafran wont play this point like last match
noooo
Anubis or Vulskaya today ?
The glats have always had wired strats that win
@spring heath watching is better imo xd
u right
ando, playing is better!
watching reinhardt highlights makes me want to die
LuL
lol
Dafran always dies first.
no twitch prime
yeah his positioning has been bad this game
He's literally bottom 5% in deaths in the league.
pls can atl win the next map tho
Sinatra doesn't carry anymore tho
you mean top 5%?
I guess both work honestly.
I think ATL is afraid. what Dafran said they are losing scrims. so you see they are afraid of commiting and make small mistakes
Top 5% would be less deaths for me in the way Blizz portrays stats
make sense
Basically Dafran just dies like he's on ladder still.
makes
I agree with calling out dafran
He gets over focused anyway.
He's not even in the top 3 of players on his team.
He's just popular.
Masaa, Erster, and Daco are all vastly better than Dafran.
dafran is doing a good job though
He's, statistically, okay.]
not in that game
Not good.
in general hes been doing well
okay.
reverse sweep possible ?
People over-inflate his stats because he's got a lot of final blows (as zarya, with right clicks)
I don't think dafran is the best player in the league. I do think everyone knows just how good dafran is so that make him a target due to player's insecurity
He's low on damage, high on deaths, high on first deaths.
HOW DO YOU LOSE AT OVERQATCH JUST PLAY GOATS BRO
i dont think anyone said hes the best player in the league
4Head
Like if you compare him to good Zaryas?
it's goats vs goats thoi
He's not good.
I said it
as we saw
Ivy isn't even good.
Rip dafran
Go look at Nenne, Sinatraa or Seominsoo.
dafran was not in anubis last game
They crush everyone else.
either
Dafran got benche
d
When it comes to soldier specifically, he's probably one of the best if not the best imo
I wonder
but tracer? literally anyone else? nahhhh not even close
lmfao
Reverse sweep incoming
he did
Fran said he wouldnt do soldier in owl
widow gameplay thank the lord
Dafran : im almost quit owl pt.2
ivy is a very good zarya i will take it to my grave
decay genji 
it would be suicide for any team to play soldier
i meant in general
hes probably the best soldier in the league rn
Look at the balance patch
Even the 1 damage increase.
soldiers dead
who are these audience members
OMG
Won't affect how many shields exist.
ra ra ra
jUsT gO dIvE
they sound like they are garbling
Soldier doesnt have enough burst, doesnt have enough damage
BlessRNG
little gnomes
sigh
Soldiers coming back
atl why?!?!?!?
You’ll see
hes not
YOULL ALL SEE
they'd have to change how barriers work and sustain damage works for soldier to come back
as it is, there's way too much sustain healing and too many varriers for soldier to do anything
you can have an aimbot and not do shit with soldier rn
OUCH
wow glads looking dominate
DECAYYY
decay
THATS WHAT I LOOK FOR IN OWL LETS GO
DECAY
did shadowburn change his name
YOU GOD
Decay is flat out ripping them apart, lol
Decay pog pog
😫
holy fuck decay
lets go my sons
"that was very well played by both teams"
hell yes this is the SHIT
**decay
LMAO
atlanta is washed already
glads looking like themselve again
quality league gameplay
DECAY JUST HARD CARRIED
AKaros predictions for today btw
Atlanta Reign WIN
Philadelphia Fusion WIN
Toronto Defiant WIN
wait what was he playing before
I mean he didn't even hard carry.
i forget
No one died.
Akoros is known as a curse prediction
decay
zarya
o
Atlanta wasnt doing shit
thx
yuh
found the DPS mains lol
dps love zarya and brig
Hard carry would mean he dragged them though shit despite them not doing well.
true
he did do a lot though
man i love zarya
DPS mains are whiny twats though
shes so varied and interesting
They all say they're dps
she is just a giant russian woman
so much body block
i HATE
Make up your mind.
If you want to do DPS, ply Zarya.
Or find me a genji that can do 33,000 damage in OWL.
i dont want to do dps, i want to play heroes that happen to be classed as dps
Hard thrower, confirmed.
lol
Widow low damage???
yes
all you need to do as widow is 200 damage at the start of a fight and you did your job
obv the more the better but you dont have to do shit as widow
i love it

clean
yeah these are some clean fights
dogman more like dogshit