ive heard a lot of people hyping that skin
#esports-discussion
mint flower
gaunt acorn
i'm not really as big a fan of the hot pink as others
i got winston just to support guxue
mint flower
nice
gaunt acorn
i already have a buttload of skins for the heroes i actually use, might as well just go for what looks cool at this point
mint flower
all my skins are for SHD for obvious reasons
gaunt acorn
respectable
i hope you own shanghai brigitte
to commemorate youngjin's miraculous feat
mint flower
i do
that was a sad moment
i died inside
did you see zachareee that game
im confused as to how SHD lost to a team with a player like zachareee
gaunt acorn
zack has really been underperforming since the season began
and dallas looked pretty lost for a few of those maps vs shanghai
maybe the rematch will be different
mint flower
he underperformed in world cup too in my opinion
And i feel like he was carried in contenders by whoru
gaunt acorn
aero nepotism 
mint flower
no offense to zachareee but he also looks like a crackhead
trim shadow
i still have no idea
why zach is starting over effect
its gonna fuck dallas over if they get a playoff birth
mint flower
effects not playing cuz his zarya is garbage
akm is way better at zarya, although i wonder what would happen if they put him on brig
either way they're best bet to probably to just save him for a dps meta
gaunt acorn
do not put akm on brig
akm is literally the saving grace for dallas right now
that's the last thing you should change
mint flower
no i meant what would happen if they put effect on brig
gaunt acorn
i doubt he's practiced brig much
inland pawn
put Effect on Brig 😱
trim shadow
i was gonna say that
inland pawn
sounds like i should be a coach lmao
mint flower
i mean if effect can play hitscan at a really high level, i doubt he'd have trouble picking up brig
OR THEY COULD JUST PUT MICKIE IN
trim shadow
something must be going on with mickie in scrims lol
cause this meta is perfect for him
mint flower
yeah srsly why is mickie not in?
sullen berry
We never saw Mickie since even dallas fans could say he was the weakest D. Va by League competition
mint flower
mickie was honestly a bad dva tho
no offense to the guy but he was always outta position
mint flower
i think MG on SHD was worse
trim shadow
la dragons*
the justice are just choking
theyre taking the teams to the shed but then they never come out
cause they start to fall apart when its time to win
and make stupid decisions
mint flower
Choking or not, they're not making playoffs
overall playoffs*
i dont think they're gonna get into any of the stage playoffs either
gusty salmon
rip justice feelsbad
mint flower
Also how many teams make the final playoffs?
I know there's the top 8, but then there's that weird bracket thing?
upper niche
8 make the stage play-offs.
off the top of my head I think it's 4 are auto-in for the season finals, and 8 are in a play-in?
It might be 6 and 6. I'd have to go back to that document I linked earlier to remember.
mint flower
ok i just checked that document
The top 6 teams automatically qualify
rankings 7 thru 12 are in the play in bracket for the 7th and 8th seed
trim shadow
you never know
justice could pick up a godly signing
and then boom meta change
and oh fuck here come the justice 4-0'ing everyone cause janus and corey are popping off
@mint flower i do remember that in the pre season
but i thought that was for overall playoffs
mint flower
Does anyone else see that corey looks somewhat similar to dreamkazper
trim shadow
dreamkazper coming back should happen
mint flower
lol i hope so
trim shadow
just like xqc getting a spot on legion academy
dreamkazper should get a second chace
mint flower
cant tell if ur serious lmao
but honestly if he wasnt what he is, he was and still would still be an amazing player
his pharah was insane
trim shadow
wonder what he is up to now
trim shadow
sounds about right for owl callibar players
mint flower
i suppose so
trim shadow
it sucks im gonna miss most of this weekend since im working 4-11 all weekend
trim shadow
atlanta my home team
mint flower
nice
trim shadow
gladiators
trim shadow
between decay and surefore there both terrible at zarya
and thats a key role
roar is a little to aggresive
so im confident
goose is like kruise and also over aggresive
mint flower
isn't decay like third in multiple categories on zarya?
roar and goose are a bit too aggressive tho
mint flower
i swear they said that on watchpoint
trim shadow
the gladiators paid 300k for decay?
what in the fuck
how much is dafran worth then?
mint flower
lol
the only salary i have off the top of my head is sinatraa
pretty sure he's getting 150k
upper niche
@mint flower Not sure witht he play in also, but I think they run the bottom 4 seeds first, then the winner of those two matches play the 7th/8th seed.
warm quartz
I think you shall be satisfied with it
upper niche
eg, 7v(10v11) (12v9)v8
mint flower
k thx for clarification
sullen berry
A reminder that philly was #6 seed vs #1 seed nyxl going to playoffs, after smashing the Uprising in a #4 vs #6 seed
mint flower
philly was a wildly inconsistent team last year
trim shadow
fuck i want some goats
mint flower
?
pearl stratus
@trim shadow Dafran isn't worth much, other than his general twitch chat merch sales. He's not that amazing. Decay you can see is mechanically insane, but isn't integrating well into a non-full korean team.
Also Dafrans contact would be heavily influenced by his... erratic nature, you wouldn't want to pay him much because you're gambling.
I'm sure he's well above minimum.
But I doubt he's much into 6 figures, if he is at all.
trim shadow
im gunna say 60k for dafran since hes already braindead rich off of twitch
i bet pokpo and daco took up most of the cap space
easily top 5 tank line
gusty salmon
pokpo shatters into a shield atleast once a map
upper niche
He wouldn't bother playing OWL based on his Twitch viewership.
they'd have to have offered him something decent to make it worth his time. And you gotta remember, the people who own some of these teams are just stupid-rich.
trim shadow
like the boston uprising front office
billions
the hangzhou sparck front office makes billions as well with there chineese twitch or whatever
and then theres gen.g owning seoul
i think
upper niche
While it depends which arm and subsidiaries you look at, basically when you're talking about Cox, ballpark is about $30b worth.
Running Atlanta Reign to them is like having a painting hobby for you or me.
trim shadow
i think atlanta is own by the atlanta esports organization or whatever
upper niche
it's a joint venture, with a lot of forks along the ownership.
trim shadow
i can see them throwing out heavy amounts of money
upper niche
Most of these things are in one way or another.
upper niche
You know the scene in Iron Man 3, where Tony has his own F3 race team (and yes, there are other real-life people like that)? Having an OWL team is very, very similar.
trim shadow
its hard to tell who got the big contract on the team since atlanta is the closest thing to a contenders all star team outside of vancouver
and yea tru
upper niche
Why go to a basketball game when you can just buy a whole team?
It's like when you were a kid and you were playing with toy plastic soldiers. The players are your toy soldiers 😄
upper niche
A person I know was a candidate to buy an OWL franchise for an Aus team. His other 'hobby' is that he owns a professional sporting team. Similarly I know person who owns a superbike team - that's just his fun side thing - and, having previously worked in motorsports, I know of a few team owners who were like that, owning a team was just their hobby and a way to spend their hard-earned coins.
trim shadow
itll be madness if we get another 8 expansion teams in the offseason
ill say at 4 max
australia would be nice
a pittsburgh team would be ideal
colorado
italy
germany
miami even
upper niche
Australia is unlikely to happen. The money they're asking isn't there, and the franchise terms are total ass.
You don't even own the franchise, you lease it. ATVI can take it off you at any time and you get nothing.
trim shadow
from what i saw its 20 million to get a team
upper niche
It's varied anywhere from 30-60 for the expansion teams. That's USD
trim shadow
i would imagine blizzard would target marketable areas
so they would go after a dubai or go after areas with already established franchise teams like los angeles or china
a dubai team would be funny
the hell would there team name be lol
upper niche
And it'll be a team of Korean players anyway 😉
trim shadow
100%
and like one british man or german
i did a quick look and in the 10 largest us cities blizzard could get offers for chicago phoenix san antonio and san diego
im surpised we dont have a seattle team or denver
karachi could be marketabble
sao paulo
singapore rio
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upper niche
when are the owners of that bot gonna fix the icons for the new teams?
sullen berry
You can probal akas them
mint flower
There’s probably gonna be another Korean team for season 3
Maybe Busan?
I just hope they don’t go for more US teams next year although they probably will
They should get more teams in Europe
hidden vault
Another korea city àplzzzz
limber pine
@upper niche the bot isn’t being updated but we’re trying to move the commands to a different bot
sharp kindle
Oof
pearl stratus
Wednesday games looking like they're pretty simple provided no random changes in teams. But week over week we're seeing lots.
queen drift
Busan is v likely
I think one or two more in Europe. One Scandinavian one German/benelux maybe
And then somewhere in the US. Seattle or Chicago? 🤷
If I had to guess I’d say 4 more teams, Busan, Stockholm, Berlin and Chicago
Altho the scandinavian one is a guess. I think it’s likely they’ll get one but idk where
Could be either Denmark Sweden or Finland
limber pine
with the transition to home/away games, I think it's actually very likely we won't see any expansion in Season 3, but will see the announcement of expansion teams during Season 3 for Season 4
mint flower
I feel like they’d lose viewers if they decided not to have new teams
mint flower
Good point
pearl stratus
20 is also a decent amount of teams and fits well into the new schedule. If you just keep increasing it for no discernible reason you can overgrow.
mint flower
Also a good point
pearl stratus
With Season 3 being the potential "We play everywhere stage" you're also forcing the new teams to potentially have a way to host on a new format.
Whereas if you delay to Season 4 you work out the majority of home/away kinks, and can provide the new expansion team with a practical list of what joining requires.
Imagine being a new S3 team and you not only have to pay your franchise fee, get players, and get a home stadium with no knowledge of whats really needed.
As it looks right now as well each team is probably branching their staffing out to include stuff like visa lawyers, etc.
limber pine
yeah the league will need to give them time to get prepared
although it's possible that they could add an expansion team for Season 3, and just not give them any true home games
but unlikely
like LA Rams playing in the Coliseum
pearl stratus
Or, and this makes sense in my head, they add another Korean team but have them share a home stadium due to the size of the region.
The train between Seoul and Busan, for instance, is like... 3 hours.
You could pretty easily share a stadium if you needed to.
hidden vault
I don't really like the current playing schedule though, it isn't really fair for the teams. 7 matches and it's a depends on who you get
hidden vault
I'm not sure how schedules would change season 3 and 4
pearl stratus
So don't worry about them so much.
They're just there as fan service.
And to make the breaks between stages feel 'okay'
28 games over the course of a season is a good number for season playoffs
And thats what matters.
Ideally I think you'd see Season 3 to potentially up the match count to 40, again.
Because you'd play home and away versus every team.
But with travelling you're just asking for player burnout again.
hidden vault
It would be fair if teams could play against every team for an equal number of time though
And is home and away really needed?
tame rover
Home and away skins should not be needed.
limber pine
in a Franchised "wanna be like the NFL" model? yes home/away is needed
tame rover
Well it is Overwatch and what differnece does it make? None of the skins lot alike any way.
pearl stratus
Though remember the NFL actually has the lowest games played.
Their season is only 16 games.
They tend to follow more the NBA model in my opinion
hidden vault
Necessary to model after NFL/NBA or whatever?
tame rover
I don't watch sports besides Soccer and video games.
pearl stratus
Premier League is the same play model as the NBA.
hidden vault
This is Esports not Traditional sports
pearl stratus
Everyone plays every team twice. Once at home, once away.
You'll fail if you can't connect to the general audience.
hidden vault
Doesn't seem to be the case in. season 2 though
pearl stratus
Making up new schedules and shit is the fastest way to fail in the world.
So ask yourself if you'd prefer to fail.
You have to remember - Gamers don't matter in terms of audience for an e-sport.
Thats your "gauranteed" audience.
tame rover
Fare point
pearl stratus
To really succeed you're attempting to capture everyone else.
So when they can draw correlation and go "Oh okay, thats like when [x] does this"
You hook people easier.
The two way system, for instance, is almost directly drawn from the NBA.
And my friends who are NBA freaks understood the system better than I did.
And they don't play OW.
The NBA just isn't broken up into stages. But apparently its 8 games of play over the course of a season that you can bring someone up for without relegating them a new contract (if within the contract signing period).
Which, if you were to break the NBA down into four stages, is 2 games per stage.
queen drift
im hoping they'll add a second UK team
not in stage 3 or even stage 4 maybe but just in general
limber pine
stage playoffs is just bonus money
players get a cut and the team gets a cut
they do whatever with it
mint flower
I see
pearl stratus
I believe the rule is it is split 50:50 but no requirements on spending.
Half to players, half to franchise.
Stage playoffs are 200k for the winning team. So 100k to the players / number of players on the team.
So while its nice to win, its nothing compared to the season.
Since the season is 1.1 million to the winning team.
queen drift
wonder if its at all related to how much the players play
like lets say hypothetically sf shock won season 1
would iddqd get the same as say sinatraa
pearl stratus
I think its split evenly, though I can't confirm.
Bench players are still valuable, so I think most orgs would split it evenly.
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mint flower
I hope not
That play made me lose a few brain cells
Also, can someone explain why dding is playing dva over geguri
Is it just for his sombra?
mossy bone
Maybe playstyle fits more with the roster
And being flexible is most likely also a reason
queen drift
to be fair.. it wasnt really youngjins fault
at that point the lucio or zen should really be on the payload, not the brig
combined with how the payload stops and starts at that checkpoint, eh, its one of the more forgivable c9s
queen drift
i dont remember the comp they were playing, but it was either lucio or zen that they had i think
everything was fine except that player pushed
you have 3 on the payload while 3 push past that gate so you can cap, then once you've capped one (the off support) stays on the payload so that it moves through the gate
while they do that, your brig and main tank move off and push with the team
so everything was fine, looked like auto-pilot
but the support wasnt sitting on the cart
pearl stratus
I also don't think it would have changed the match outcome much.
Dallas played better than Shanghai for most of Dorado.
trim shadow
id be suprised if shanghai managed to flip it and give them a chance at playoffs
cause there still technically in both of them
limber pine
yeah I don't see them getting in
their map score isn't bad, but they have LAG and LDN left
pearl stratus
Fuel and Shanghai are pretty dead even honestly. I wouldn't be shocked if they beat Fuel, I wouldn't be shocked if they lose. Coordinated fuel is actually pretty solid.
I forsee, without major changes from their coaching, they'll beat LAV
Since LAV is a mess right now, and can't play more than a basic open division 3:3.
limber pine
*DAL and LDN
pearl stratus
London is going to be close too.
Gamsu is better than Gesture, Meko is better than Dding on D'va.
Dding is the better Sombra.
Diem and Profit are honestly pretty close on Zarya.
cloud latch
Meko?
cloud latch
Ikr
pearl stratus
London has slightly better supports, but not by a gigantic margin.
Basically I wouldn't be surprised if Shanghai win or lose either of their remaining maps.
Which is about right for a mid-strength team.
cloud latch
I'm just waiting for NYXL vs Titans in the Stage 1 Finals.
pearl stratus
That game will be 100% on whoever sets the pace.
If NYXL sets their slower 'play into us' pace, they'll win.
In Titans get their super aggro go go go pace, they'll win.
cloud latch
Hopefully Bumper doesn't do anything stupid.
pearl stratus
He always does something stupid.
But just because its stupid doesn't always mean its wrong.
trim shadow
guangzhou is in a interesting position
pearl stratus
I'm sad Krystal is still out.
Because replacing Bazzi would be huge for them.
For Spark
Their last game they looked like a real team again.
trim shadow
i was hoping the sparck wouldve gone undefeated this stage seeing how they popped off this week
probably because nosmite did his best muma impression
pearl stratus
They had identity issues.
They're using a very unstable first stage to integrate two different tanks to prep for switching.
Which makes sense.
But it still hurts.
trim shadow
it looks like guxue has gotten fit into the team cause they looked good around his rein play
i think guxue would be starting over nosmite despite being chineese
pearl stratus
Guxue and Nosmite have almost identical Reins at this point.
trim shadow
i can see like in the offseason hangzhou guangzhou and chengdu were in a betting war for guxue
this past off season
imagine silkthread with guxue for chengdu
queen drift
I imagine a lot of teams wanted Guxue after owwc
He plYdd insane
PlYed
Players
Fucking kill me
pearl stratus
Sixth times the charm
queen drift
PlAyed
pearl stratus
You got this.
I was expecting the Chengdu guy to go balls in and just try and get the entire team as a unit.
He just would have lost Leave to contenders.
pearl stratus
Just Leave.
trim shadow
i was almost hoping the chineese world cup team were gonna get contracts from chengdu
pearl stratus
And Shy, but Sky + Yveltal were fine.
You could have easily run Krystal + Jinmu + YXL until next year.
Jinmu himself is pretty nutty.
Absolutely suicidal.
But nutty.
trim shadow
dammit i was slightly hoping for xqc to get playtime in contenders
but i doubt hes serious about going back to owl
blizzard basically black listed him
pearl stratus
Oh you thought he took the contract to play?
Lmao.
He's using it as a visa.
Literally the only reason he signed.
Also hot take but with the new caliber of people around
He's honestly barely good enough for OWL.
trim shadow
considering he didnt play alot of ow in the off season yea he probably lost his mojo
pearl stratus
Also random hot take. But Sleepy needs to chill or he's going to get released, and I don't see a single team that would pick him up.
Being a little emo whiny bitch does nothing great for your career.
trim shadow
i thought sleepy played for the shock?
pearl stratus
He's benched for Viol2t because he's like..
Half the Zen Viol2t is.
And he's been a little twat on Twitch over it.
Which I think is stupid because if he gets let go, he's going back to Contenders.
I don't see a single team that would pick him up, even as an improvement.
trim shadow
hes known for his ana right
soe and them were praising him saying he was gonna be a big part of the shock
then violet became legal
or thats how the story went
pearl stratus
he's more known for Zen
mint flower
I feel like Viol2t was slightly underwhelming
probably cuz I haven't watched the shock games tho
Just the highlights
JJonak is still the best zen in the league my opinion
pearl stratus
Viol2ts actually beating him a few stats, which was more my surprise factor.
mint flower
really?
o wow he actually does have 3000 more healing per map
he has 11000 healing per map whereas jjonak has 8000
pearl stratus
Yeah, more damage too.
Per 10 min.
He does die more often though.
Which shouldn't be discredited.
cloud latch
Hmm...
mint flower
@pearl stratus I think Houston would pick up Sleepy
Bani Boink and Rawkus have been relatively bad
pearl stratus
Based on his general behavior I don't.
Houston cares more about the synergy/cohesion on their team.
Him acting like a litttle shit over losing his spot to Viol2t would be a giant warning sign.
Even though he would be an improvement mechanically.
mint flower
wait what happened with his attitude
pearl stratus
Oh he's just being a twat on twitch and stuff over being benched.
Same way he acted when he wasn't picked for OWWC.
limber pine
Busan is high on the list
another EU team maybe
AUS was rumored for a bit
I wouldnt mind a Las Vegas team
trim shadow
chicago denver seattle maybe busan as well
thats a highly marketable place
i could see busan just like @pearl stratus said for rivalry purposes and most of the players are from busan or seoul
its also a marketable place
it would be funny if paris went undefeated on there own map for the season
im betting everything paris is in stage 2 map rotation
another chineese team is welcome
same with california
san diego or sacramento
trim shadow
imagine like hollywood or sacarmento becoming one of the exspansion teams
uk im really suprise we dont have a second new york team
and new york is one of the biggest cities in the world
when we do get true home games i believe the confrences should be re adjusted
cause dallas and shanghai sharing a division is big dumb
most of the eastern teams should be clumped together and the americans should be as well
mint flower
I’d still say, like everyone else, that Busan is very likely
Berlin or Stockholm I can also see coming into the league
Probably not both though
pearl stratus
I still think we'll see nothing, or only 1-2.
Expansion teams + Home games in one season might be a giant clusterfuck.
mint flower
^
pearl stratus
Also we don't know how home games work, so it could be fine to not change the divisions.
We don't know if maybe it'll be stage based.
mint flower
@pearl stratus so when did sleepy have this outburst?
pearl stratus
So like.. Stage 1 for Atlantic Division is held in Seoul.
Uh, I think last night. He was just being whiny about how everyone is saying Viol2t is better than him.
It also could be that new weird young kid emo meme type of thing.
But without context he just looks like a whiny moron.
mint flower
Yeah I can see sleepy going emo
limber pine
I'll take one Sleepy please over Gido
mint flower
hmmmm
gido has and average kd of 9:5
whereas sleepy has an average kd of 5:3
best player on each team? anyone?
pearl stratus
Justice and $$$.
Name a less iconic duo.
I doubt they could afford to actually pick him up from Shock.
mint flower
true
limber pine
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pearl stratus
They're both 50-50 games.
mint flower
imo dallas is 50-50, london gonna stomp SHD
pearl stratus
London is... still not good at Goats.
They play an okay Sombra goats, but they're still not good.
LAG is just vastly worse at it.
Profit on Zarya with Guard makes them much more capable though.
Which is why its 50-50.
Gamsu > Gesture, Fury > Dding, DPS = Equal on Goats heroes, London has slightly better supports.
mint flower
fair points
I really hope London makes the dumb decision of putting Birdring in, cuz then it's a free dub
but that's unlikely isn't it?
limber pine
I doubt you'll see Birdring again this stage.
London would literally be throwing if they did that
balmy wolf
Birdring would be good if hitscans were ever meta again
But he just doesn't do well in GOATS
It's such a shame seeing all these talented DPS players on Brig
pearl stratus
Birdring hasn't been talented since Stage 1 of Season 1.
I don't think anyone can actually change my mind on that.
Post injury he's just not looked good, even in the playoffs.
queen drift
birdring started to look bad as soon as he had to swap his peripherals
not saying thats why
just an observation
karmic grotto
At least they have Guard as dps
supple prism
i really wanna say NYXL will get their first loss from SFS
queen drift
why lol
mint flower
whos better NYXL or Vancouver
i get the feeling they're gonna be the finalists
unless one or both of them choke
supple prism
Vancouver is a hair better
queen drift
imo NYXL are better
but vancouver are doing really well
we dont know until they play eachother tho 😃
pearl stratus
They'll get their first loss to whatever team can set the pace instead of playing nyxls.
It could be the shock it could be Vancouver.
supple prism
oh, Apply is no longer two-way
queen drift
picked up or dropped
supple prism
picked up
mint flower
mayhem should just go full korean
apply and tviq don't seem to be very useful
except for using tviq as a bus driver lol
@trim shadow yeah i'm also pretty excited to watch that dragons spitfire match
upper niche
Nah screw that, lock the language function of the game to the primary language of the region the team are from 😄
feral igloo
He’s still a decent player
Otherwise they wouldn’t have signed him
Will Justice win a game this season?
Not really. Everyone knew justice would flop before the season ended
balmy wolf
@tranquil sun ghei
mint flower
uhhhhhh
vale pond
what happpenend here tf
mint flower
DREAMKAZPER CONTENT
gaunt acorn
@balmy wolf not appropriate, don't post in this manner again
mint flower
anyone wanna talk owl or something?
Im bored as hell
go ahead
okaaay
who's the better brig: eileen or kyb
...
what team have you watched then?
oh god
well at least you didnt respond washington justice
why does shit keep going south for Boston?
yeah
First dreamkazper
then then gamsu
and the huk situation
ok
dreamkazper was honestly an amazing player
He was a top 3 western dps
and probably a top 10 dps overall
sullen berry
You have a great team in boston
But sometimes I think space and note suffer from "are you the best NA player or not?" syndrome
Season 1 did not have a lot of western tanks for inspiration
mint flower
imo note gamsu and striker carried last season
and dreamakazper popped the fuck off in stages 1 and 2
sullen berry
Note's stats were pointing to most aggressive when the team plays well
But I can also tell he's basically the wallflower that does what he's told, very rarely are you seeing his bombs do more than make space
supple prism
@mint flower Dreamkazper was only in the first 2 stages
queen drift
It’s well established he was a very good player. He was even supposed to play for the US, before the whole scandal hit. But imo it’s best to leave dreamkazper in the past
Don’t give the creep more attention than he’s got
limber pine
he was not "supposed to play for the us"
rosters were not required until long after he left the league
limber pine
DK was banned in april
mint flower
Right
limber pine
rosters for OWWC were due in June
mint flower
Is it possible they had begun scouting players?
limber pine
there was no "supposed to play for the us"
we all assumed he'd be on the team
but nothing past that
mint flower
ok makes sense
hidden vault
Tbh I think boink is doing great on houston as a lucio
You can't blame bani cause he's a flex support on mercy
Then what's left is rawkus who is supposed to be a good zen player
supple prism
is he?
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queen drift
Yeh when I said supposed to play for the US it was the wrong phrasing I think
I didn’t mean he was set in stone
sullen berry
he was only ever considered for the team
but if you are looking at this on paper
they had maybe 20-something players in tryouts, all from either NA contenders or OWL
cloud lava
Yees
Aussie Aussie Aussie
I guess I'll do it myself
Oh oh oh
Aussie, oh, aussie, oh, Aussie oh
._.
queen drift
I don't think there is the support or money or desire to have an AU team tbh
uncut siren
im tryna be a pro player....
limber pine
!schedule
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limber pine
On paper tomorrow should be an easy pickem
ATL/PHL/TOR
but I don't count out GLA/VAL/CDH at all
mint flower
Maybe Valiant can get their first win of the season?
Philly's been inconsistent
Depends which Fusion shows up
limber pine
!schedule VAL
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limber pine
either phily or houston
idle beacon
reign lost to fusion? 😮
interesting
even with aimgod dafran (sheldonmode on) in reign
is boombox fit again?
btw, how is kodak doing so far?
haven't seen 1 reign game yet
minor flame
Kodak is decent
Boombox is good
Fusion earlier weeks was better than now so they beat ATL
mint flower
Kkodak?
I think Atlanta could have won if dafran didn’t go torb
Why do you guys think they run dogman over Kodak?
balmy wolf
to have a chance of winning
trim shadow
I looked back at that london game and i can see why nosmite was sat for the next game
He was makin braindead moves
mint flower
Kodak popped the fuck off for Germany in OWWC didn’t he?
And I want Guxue to start as well mainly cuz he was insane for Team China
limber pine
Kodak is a good player
there's no doubt in that
but ATL plays better with Dogman (eye test anyway0
copper solstice
Isn’t with dogman them winning fights is up there
karmic grotto
Might wanna know why with Dogman
copper solstice
mint flower
dogman died so early in fights during that philly game
chat was going giving him so much trash
specifically on Volskaya
karmic grotto
@mint flower yes but
he knew that
so he's fixing his mistakes and position
might wanna see him more often how he improves
with coaching
balmy wolf
Anyone know where i can get a banner with a teams logo on it? Or a flag?
mint flower
The point I'm trying to make is that I would prefer to see more kodak
trim shadow
Kodak is the german right
limber pine
yeah
trim shadow
yall should goto the la valiants youtube channel and listen to some of the insight theyre giving
idle beacon
@balmy wolf doesnt; the merchandise store have something like that?
ye kodak is the only german active in the OWL, i guess
i wonder if iHulk would've made it to OWL
placid bluff
Is there an esport education, i want to take a year of and try to go pro in OW so i want to hear if there is an education or something in that regard which can provide that (country doesnt matter)
dont know where to ask it xD
queen drift
pogman or dogshit
I don't think ihulk would have made OWL as a player
as a coach/staff member i think he would
but he was a bit past his prime as a player
queen drift
you want players who are going to consistently perform and improve
placid bluff
i dont think that's the way it should be.
queen drift
are you reading
queen drift
ihulk is past his prime, and wouldn't consistently perform
placid bluff
he's dead so i would say past his prime yes
queen drift
was* past his prime, made a mistake
placid bluff
haha
I dont believe that would be the case until i see some prof, he stepped before we could see if he would perform inconsistently
queen drift
So you're saying you would pick ihulk over someone like Roar, Super, Gamsu?
he performed inconsistently on Germany and EnvyUs
placid bluff
Really depends on the position and price for each player
queen drift
all of those players are main tank
and for arguments sake lets say they're all equally priced and paid
I admire ihulk a lot, i respect him and i think it's shitty to talk about him like this but if you're trying to make an argument that at this time, if he were alive, he'd be able to play in OWL i think you need to think again ^^
pearl stratus
On a compromise though - I could have seen him picked up easily as a coach somewhere.
So there, positive spin.
queen drift
^^ yeah thats what i said originally
fox ATL/XLToday at 6:37 PM
pogman or dogshit
I don't think ihulk would have made OWL as a player
as a coach/staff member i think he would
but he was a bit past his prime as a player
limber pine
He was already coaching anyway right?
idle beacon
reading this means
jake isn't performing consistently, either. BUT
he's a good leader / coach
or was
and didn't iHulk win the first whatever in korea, with his team?
placid bluff
he did
idle beacon
@limber pine let me guess ... you gotten over yo head? nah, thats a bwonsamdi slogan 😄 ... lemmeh guess, you like baptiste ?
queen drift
he won apex s1 with envyus
buuuuut that didnt really mean anything back then
was kinda like winning the pre season of owl
idle beacon
well for me it's like .. him being the first inventing the way they've played (i havent seen them games, tho), and alot of teams did the same strats after apex s1 ?
@queen drift i might me wrong, ofc .. just my thought
queen drift
yeah no he was definitely a good player / coach etc .. but im saying winning apex s1, it doesnt mean as much as it sounds
idle beacon
sure it doesn't
after apex he took the coaching role, but we didn't see much of it .. or how long has he been coach?
queen drift
He’s dead
idle beacon
i know
queen drift
You mean how long was he a coach?
Off the top of my head I’m not sure .. I want to say he was a player for about 6 months, a player/coach for about the same, and a coach for the same again
i dont remember it much tho
mint flower
For the record, dogman is dogshit
pearl stratus
It's also not the same level of competition so you really can't draw...
Anything from it.
The remaining EnvyUS players that still exist all either got fired, or hold down a bench.
So thats your 2017 skillful players right there.
The level of players in the last two years is dramatically different.
jagged crater
dogman is either pogman or dogshit lmao
pearl stratus
Both their zens are inconsistent as fuck.
But they have Masaa to cover their mistakes.
So it works.
jagged crater
how many players from notable 2016 tournaments are starting in OWL?
there's a few
it's the goddamn dogman!
pearl stratus
Apex S1 winners - No one still plays as a starter. Second place - No starters.
If you include the offline teams that didn't make it like Lunatic Hai -.. just Rhj. Including LW - Blue 3.
Season 2 of Apex is where you start getting 1 here and there. Mano from one team, RHJ, Carpe on a third etc.
jagged crater
custa and agilities are starters for val i think
they participated in ow open in 2016
pearl stratus
I mean I mostly cared about people who won.
jagged crater
im mostly looking at from a veteran perspective
not really winners
how many veterans still capable of starting at their role at an OWL level
pearl stratus
I more like to see who kept their edge.
mint flower
Masaa has got to be the best western Lucio in OWL
jagged crater
fins got some good representation in OWL
mint flower
yeah finland is pretty good in general
mint flower
They could've gone to quarterfinals if China wasn't so good
mint flower
no..
jagged crater
leave custa alone!
mint flower
i don't recall custa being on EnvyUs
idle beacon
who of the first fuel team was in EnvyUs ?
limber pine
I'd argue VAL's issues are with Kariv and Agilities specific to this meta
and not keeping Fate alive
jagged crater
first incarnation of fuel was iddqd
trim shadow
i think vals problems are communication in game and the support line
jagged crater
nobody from OG envy getting any playtime 😦
feelsbadman
tho if you include mickie as an "og" envy, then you have to include effect
even tho effect is doing terrible this meta
mint flower
I still don't understand why KuKi is playing over Custa most of the time
There's no way he is a better shot caller than Custa
pearl stratus
Kuki speaks better english than Custa.
jagged crater
kuki's english is damn good for a korean tho
pearl stratus
It honestly looks like LAV can only play dumb Goats.
Whereas Custa wants to play proper Goats.
mint flower
I know Kuki can speak good English, but is he really more vocal than Custa?
KOREAWATCH
mint flower
yep
pearl stratus
Moth is consistently insane on every support he plays.
queen drift
havent seen much of moth tbh
mint flower
If we're talking Koreans included Masaa drops down the ranks a bit
pearl stratus
Whobi.
queen drift
haha
mint flower
LuL
queen drift
emphases on historically
even including koreans i think Masaa is currently the top lucio in owl
purely because of his form
pearl stratus
Oh god no.
Slime would literally eat and shit out two Masaas.
Mechanically Anamo also outclasses him heavily.
queen drift
Eh I disagree about slime
queen drift
🤷 he's never stood out to me before
pearl stratus
Part of the reason Masaa stands out so much is he's a bright spot on a team of mid to upper level, not all upper level though.
You have to factor that in.
Realistically Atlanta rides pretty hard on the back of Masaa, Daco and Erster.
tight zephyr
pearl stratus
It's rare to find players like the Libero that prior to NYXL he was playing on teams he would have to 1v11, and maintained that.
mint flower
Yeah I was going to point out Slime as well
pearl stratus
Also watching Anamo avoid the Rein shatter on Rialto with a double box jump, then beat in his face.
Was one of the best Lucio plays I've seen probably ever.
pearl stratus
OWWC semifinals against UK.
mint flower
ok
pearl stratus
Flat out denies Fusions shatter by going from box -> wall ride, then drops beat to save the rest of the team that had been shattered
mint flower
thx
pearl stratus
And maintain the ride.
idle beacon
@pearl stratus i dont understand that gif
what issit about
weird perspective
fov 260 ?
mint flower
really?
in what way?
I feel like Masaa is a more vocal teammate and is mechanically insane
vagrant cargo
Moth is incredible on every Support he played so far
And Masaa is on a mid tier team
Where its way easier to shine
limber pine
in this meta, atl is minimally high on the mid tier teams
mint flower
Atlanta is most definitely not a mid tier team right now
They’re at least a top 5 team right now
mint flower
No im clearly a Shanghai fan
trim shadow
4-0 mayhem
2-3 philly
3-1 defiant
4-0 paris
idle beacon
wow.. liqui takin ages again
mint flower
My second favorite team is Toronto just cuz it's the closest thing I've got to a hometown team
trim shadow
canadian^
idle beacon
liquipedia down?
mint flower
oof
@idle beacon I will admit that Dafran's my favorite western player tho
Agilities is a close second
vagrant cargo
Paris is overrated
Tbf
Philly is also a meh Team
The Defiant win is pretty Big tho
mint flower
yeah last season they relied on them way too much
vagrant cargo
Eqo aint that special on brig
mint flower
Defiant win against who?
@vagrant cargo Paris was really underrated before the season and now they're overrated
vagrant cargo
Atlanta win agaibst defian
mint flower
o
vagrant cargo
Pari was underrated by ppl with 0 knowledge
Lmao
Thinking they will be bottom 5 in a GOATs Meta
mint flower
yep lol
stoic crater
!schedule
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stoic crater
I forget
trim shadow
i rated paris highly because of benbest and the coaching staff they have around them
and the fact they have soon and shadow as dps duo
but paris is gonna fall i dont see a vancouver win or a shock win
north tendon
shadow doesnt fit in this meta really
proper cove
How does Korean speakers who don’t speak a bit of English communicate with the English their English speaking teammates
trim shadow
they probably have slang or specific words
limber pine
it's unlikely that most Koreans speak "zero" English
limber pine
just like it's unlikely that most americans speak "zero" korean
trim shadow
guess*
limber pine
in an esport like OW it behooves you to learn another language
or at least know callouts
trim shadow
gonna assume some western players have learned a tiny bit of korean
idle beacon
lol .. sounds like sbb is good on, whatever hero he's playing now ..
trim shadow
its like how kyb is able to communicate with gzc
vagrant cargo
Why would u rate Paris highly because of benbest WTF @trim shadow
Dude is legit their worst starter
trim shadow
world cup
idle beacon
thats like saying .. 'ronaldo is so freakin ace in [whatever team], that means he's freakin ace for portugal @ worldcup'
i cant check liquipedia .. its down somehow
what hero is carpe playin now?
zarya?
idle beacon
workin for u?
limber pine
yah
idle beacon
weird
not here
wasn't carpe good as zarya?
did geguri play zarya?
(i really need to watch them games, again 😦 )
limber pine
He's got a good Zarya, I just don't think he can carry on it as well as Widow
or Tracer
idle beacon
:/
sullen berry
fusion vs charge is going to be an excuse to run widow on control
limber pine
yes
mint flower
i wish 2-2-2 would come back
so many dps players got benched and its really unfortunate
trim shadow
like pine
hidden osprey
!schedule
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jagged crater
this meta is very diff for teams as shown by the standings
mint flower
well NYXL still at the top lol
limber pine
but even NYXL hasn't looked dominant in most of their games
mint flower
true
limber pine
not being able to get one tick against Seoul on Hanamura was embarrassing IMO
err numbani
mint flower
6-0 still makes them the best team rn tho
Although vancouver would make a good argument
limber pine
Vancouver has looked better, but has had a softer schedule
idk this week should be really interesting
mint flower
I'd say the schedule was even if not easier for NYXL
They had boston, washington, LAV, and houston as their first 4 games
meanwhile vancouver had shanghai, guangzhou, san fran, and LAV
stiff elbow
Hello I'm new to Overwatch. someone told me there are 29 heroes in Overwatch but I've only seen 6 of them in Overwatch League. Is this a bug or are there hero bans or what's going on?
vagrant cargo
Funny copypasta
mint flower
?
jagged crater
the other 23 heroes
idle beacon
@stiff elbow 😄 😄 😄
vagrant niche
So
i'm not sure if this has been brought up
but now Baptise can shoot both heal and dps at the same time
if it's not a bug
IT'S BROKEN OP
idle beacon
since when?
vagrant niche
since today's patch
vagrant niche
also, contendies started
idle beacon
Automatic Reload option to OFF
vagrant niche
idle beacon
took blizzard fuckin long enough
Frag Launcher
Impact damage changed from 60 to 50
LAME!
mint flower
blizz seems so fucking clueless at times lol
supple prism
was it that big of a deal in PTR?
jagged crater
130 vs 140
vale pond
the only real change it makes is with damage boosts
mint flower
Jeff Kaplan: HELL NO
feral igloo
Aria Rose:
balmy wolf
Nobody:
Aria Rose: BUFFMERCY
mint flower
Random question: What ever happened to Crumbz on the OWL desk?
supple prism
he didnt want to do anything for OWL anymore
queen drift
dumbzz
supple prism
they didnt
mint flower
yeah they did...
limber pine
i mean, it's evident based on the speed in which Season 2 moves at the desk that they wouldn't have room for Reinforce
supple prism
he works behind the scenes now, sort of a producer
mint flower
