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tracer can bait the bash
to be fair brig counters tracer
^
And is supposed to
My point.
Brig concept counters tracer
its her fucking job
but Tracer can easily outskill brig
To counter dive dps
Its not a skill matchup at all
her job is peeling
In a vacuum brig beats tracer
She should have the advantage
Idk tracer isnt meta
even then
tracer wins a 1v1 agaisnt brig in higher elos
brig wins if tracer is like
silver
Elo irrelevant
To be fair I disagree here
Ya
Brig does and should counter tracer
Brig kills tracer
good
And stun lock
Armor and peeling is the main counter
wow
thats like saying when genji has blade he can 1v1 win against all squishies
like no shit
Wow a support ult counters a character
yeah sure itll save you but Tracer can literally just run from you if you pop rally
or you know
pulse
300 damage makes one clipping easy
regardless
Brigs intentional counter of tracer does not reflect her needing a buff
Its just a disagreement on what brigs role should be
Brigs role is anti dive deathball off healer
U believe she needs more cc
no one has said
She should rely on armor and peel
she needs more cc
Not aoe heals
her existing abilities to do that should be buffed
Thats equal to more
bash literally rushes you in
More overall time she can displace and stun enemies
displacing you
technically yes in practice no
for low dmg
Bash is a defensive ability
whipshot gives little boop and dmg for a skillshot projectile that has a 7 cd
????
And bash is peel?
Bash is peel
Both peeling abikities
Stun the genji that is going to kill your mercy
Plus her armor pack is peel heal
Whipshot isnt peel
Armor pack should be buffed
What is whipshot if not peel
cc
a ranged boop that does some dmg
U said u cant follow up on damage if u attack
So if u use it defensively
U can follow up
Lol
What
?
If a boop is a boop why does ws need buff
because the boop doesnt get enough value for its cd
So the cd need to come down to match the value
Who cares if its useless to brig its a team game
7 cd for a skillshot boop
Every boop is a skillshot
barely
Lucio boop is not a skillshot lol
Pharah is a aoe bomb
Except soldier vjsor
Still skillshot :/
Dva is everything you fucking fly into
Ye but u control the flyong
thats not a skillshot
Not a wide area
just because i control a drone that chooses a location to bomb
Single target
doesnt mean its a skillshot
Aoe skillshot is still skillshot
That is the meaning of skillshot
Skillshot isnt a widow snipr
???
Skillshot is an ability that you shoot for a single target
a widow snipe is exactly a skillshot
Ok
precision single target
Skillshot is a ability cd that requires you to aim for a single target
Its not wrong because you disagree
The term skillshot requires skill and the contrary to a skillshot is point and click
Ow has no point and click besides soldier visor
What
Everything else is skill shot
what
Brig heal is point and click
what is he saying?
The number of targets a skillshot hits is irrelevant, aoe skillshots are still skillshots
Soldier visor isnt a skill shot
pharah aoe
im so lost
ashe shotgun
basically skillshot to him is anything that requires aim
Lucio boop is point and click
i think everyone just needs to go to bed now, just a bunch of rambling now
Every shot that isnt point and click requires skill
what
Hence, making it a skill shot
point and click is aiming?
Point and click isnt aiming
then why the hell is dva boop a skillshot to you
Well the point and click terminology is from mobas
nearly everything takes some sort of skill
nearly everything takes skill but a skillshot is literally an ability
as a precise aim shot
well you suck at making that point
Theres a difference between aoe and single target
I dont even understand his point
apperantly its hard to press left click into a tanine
tankline
Therefore brig inspire needs buffed?
Something something
whatever
I’m going to sleep I’ll talk about this another time
i have a question
yeah?
why does earthshatter do damage?
why not?
but there is no fall damage
idk how much is it?
Its like every ability does some degree of damage
Sleep does 5 lol
ok nite
yea
Who would you reckon is the most popular + loved OW player? I'm thinking Seagull or Dafran, not including xQc because he gets a lot of hate as well but might as well throw him in too
Seagull
dafran is most loved to like the twitch memes and stuff
Seagull is just all around
likable and popular
most popular? xqc
most loved? effect
most popular AND loved? dafran
effect is def not most loved
there are a chunk of people who think hes like
some weak ass bitch
for having mental problems
=💩
Seagull was called out by other pros for throwing because he was avoiding genji during a time when genji was meta
so fuck seagull
Not playing a hero doesnt mean ur throwing
he got clapped by team korea in 2016 so ever since he's had ptsd about genji
@balmy wolf why is effect most loved
what seagull did was throwing
You bitches need to learn that they’re just humans. No one is perfect.
@balmy wolf Your low intelligence is showing but ok
seagull has like the least controversy surrounding him
@hidden vault he has the most consistent support i see in ranked/twitter
hes atleast the least asshole out of all nominees
also seagull has 0 controversy and no dumb shit done
i have no quarrels with seagull and im almost always happy to see him in ranked
Seagull is like the most lovable person in the OW community thats as popular as xQc
Seagull is funny too
Seagull is fan favourite imo
Overall likable personality
I kinda argue that seagull is the most love though
Dafran history is sketchy
@balmy wolf you know the best part? during that "throwing" the team was already all actively talking about what theyre gonna be playing the next round, the commentators thought he was throwing
this was said by emongg on stream
Ik they decided to sack the round
of all the owl people i play with in ranked/previously in scrims, dafran is literally the only one that was able to genuinely keep a PMA attitude
But on stream he did stuff too
since like season 8 but still
he genuinely came around
Hes reformed
Doesnt mean
He wasnt an asshole
and its actually pathetic people refuse to acknowledge genuine advancement
just to meme online
Not everyone forgives that easily is all im saying
literally everyone has
Literally no 
including his teammates and even the people he actively asked for his stream watchers to throw
you can sit with your thumb up your ass and go BuT He WuZ BaAaAaAd BeF4444!!! but the dude has spent the last year becoming a much better person, give respect to those who deserve it
You cant tell people when to forgive someone

yeah but you can tell people when theyre being assholes about purposely not forgiving
Thats their choice whether they forgive or not
and when to go "its a fucking video game"
No
You cant judge them
You dont know what kind of effect he had on their lives
its called dwelling on the past for no reason
WHAT EFFECT
DID HE HAVE
ON ANYONES LIFE
I was a Dafran hater for doing stupid shit like saying to his stream to be the “Overwatch ISIS” back in the day.. but he isn’t that same guy. People learn from their stupidity and grow from it.
Dont ask me i forgave him
greatly
but that past still haunts the majority of his career
Yes
Thats our opinion
name me one other person whos able to hold a stream that active AND compete at such a high level
But u cannot hold it over someone for hilding his past over him
i mean... yes you can
its just people who refuse to acknowledge improvement
and want to shit on other people for no reason
hes accepted what hes done, he doesnt hide his mistakes and has improved
if anyone wants to actively refuse to forgive changed behavior
thats indicative of their immaturity
not dafran's shortcomings
Its your own immaturity for refusing to acknowledge them
Sorry not acknowledge
@balmy wolf sis, it’s not immature to be self aware.
@balmy wolf is correct.
Opinion
Dafran has a good attitude and has improved as a person
I dont like him that much
but I can tell you that
Forgiveness is not due to everyone just because you say they earned it
Everyone does stupid shit in the past. Some more publicized than others. If the person has acknowledged that what he/she did in the past was wrong and changed their ways then they deserve forgiveness.
If they real world doesn’t work like that, than there isn’t any reason for anyone to change for the better if people are just gonna bring it up your past shit.
And that’s the Tea sis
True
So why do they have capital punishment
if youre gonna relate throwing a game to murder
please just stop typing
@balmy wolf ikr. Dis bitch dumb
The degree isnt relevant
slippery slope
Crime is crime
zzzz done acknowledging the troll
Ok.
wait
ik brigs discussion is done and don't really want to prolong it
but inspire is not the reason goats is good
js
that makes no sense at all
reaper heals
same as inspire
and doesn't make goats goats
rally is pretty good
but it's her mid range utility
that wants to keep the team centralized
and compact
which promotes tanks playing close
o ded chat
gl on ranked matches
hi
Hi
Imagine if that dafran over the roof grav managed to picked up 4 kills from the dva bomb
Inspire and Rally are the key factors on what made Brigitte a link in goats
plus her melee
basically becoming a central line for the comp
Varying opinions?
Hey i have not checked in with overwatch in a bit How is Shanghai dragons doing?
@upper quest want to go into vc
im good
i gave my opinion 
Meanwhile 


I am so excited for seoul vs nyxl i believe seoul sacrificed the boston match to fully prepare to beat new york
I think it'll be a 3-2 going in the favor of XL.
i'm so proud of shanghai 

oof shanghai lost
Rip
It was still close tho and they got super tilted game 5
so it is what it is they’ll bounce
Also my guess is also 3-2 xl
oh wait seoul not atlanta playing them
3-1 xl but maps will be close
Yesterday killed all the hype I was feeling for Shanghai
Going to root for NY and titans some more for some easy highs now
People said I was insane for thinking London>LA
And then they said I was insane for saying Atlanta>Paris
Dafran cannot he stopped
Macca played insane last match too
@karmic grotto I’ll stop when I want
Masaaaaa
Masaa *
Yeah Masaa was probably one of the few times I’ve been impressed with Lucio play
Impressed is the wrong word
But ykno what I mean - it’s typically a more out of the limelight role
Masaa makes it so nice to watch tho
Mhm
I think he had a great match tho, Masaa in general is gold but that Paris game was next level
Good not gold
I wish ashkon could still make highlights so I could watch the game
Cant handle competition
Isnt it technicaly illegal under fair use law?
As long as he provides commentary at the end
Although given how easy youtubes strike is to abuse it doesnt matter
I just got gifted a pass from some kind person.... I was shocked
im glad people are disliking the official highlight vids
they are pretty trash
is shanghai vs chengdu worth watching?
curious on how hunters performed even though they got rolled
@frosty thorn and now you are a shock fan
If you wanna watch owl without goats then ye it’s nice
If you don’t really care about goats it’s just another game
ahaha - nooo Shidou, I live in New York (upstate, but still - must support the NY team)
NYXL/REIGN here
nyxl, titans, spark and chengdu
Tho I won't lie... I don't really care at all about OWL - I just like the in game stuff XD
You seen their YouTube channel karma?
thats okay, if you keep an eye on it it can be pretty entertaining though
gets better with familiarity
I was sitting afk in the twitch channel - well, not really afk cause I was chatting
NYXL YouTube is great
that's how I got the free pass
yeah, NYXL production is amazing
I'm sure the NY players have literally no idea what the rest of New York State is actually like - which is a little bit annoying to an upstater like me :p
they are kinda doing their best, they do have this wholesome aura nonetheless
I actually bought the hunters skin tho - cause it's as close to my favorite colors as I can get
Upstate New York is like an entirely different state init
I dont like boston's management, but the players are nice
fusions and aimgod are my favs
neat
yeah I like the balance of players
I think it should be an easy one
for boston
defiant was neck to neck with outlaws
didnt look that good
after that win on seoul
boston looks pretty good
but yeah this is overwatch
yea power rankings and scrims always sounded iffy
I really liked Boston but I can’t justify liking them and supporting their org
Boston, Mayhem and Washington all have such trash orgs
but I gotta say huk has a good eye for talent
his personality tho...thats another subject
I love WizardHyeong, Janus, Sayaplayer, ex Boston core
Just can’t help hAting the teams trio
Tho *
All 3
Hyeong/Janus are Washington, Saya is Florida
And ex Boston core is like.. Striker Neko Kellex Mistakes etc
And he who must not be named
DreamKazper
I might get heat for this, but I think it was overblown a tad
hes still an idiot though
dreamkazper 
I don’t think it was overblown, have you read the texts?
yeah I mean but I felt like he was just dumb and reckless rather than seriously acting on it
but law is law
He paid for the girls to come to LA
though I think that girl was manipulative a little, but he still should have never got into that situation in the first place lol
Oh yeah she definitely was
I think she was a bitch but at the end of the day
He’s an adult
His responsibility to not be disgusting
yeah
I cant imagine how you just got into this brand new owl debut and act so friendly with fans
he was dumb
He was a player before
well out of game stuff can have some serious consequences on the players, as demonstrated here
also didnt boston's owner also get caught on something
lol
sexual trafficking
xqc was kinda an unlucky situation
but the league was premature
xQc was an idiot but the league way overdid it
oh yeah
Which I still think is stupid but I can understand it more than Pepe
it sucks because people used it with bad intent but xqc wasnt
but he got lumped with them
no, it was muma beef
he got salty about a muma comment after losing
Suck a fat cock
muma said rolled and smoked my doggies like xqc would
Oh you’d probably like that
yeah that
Muma is gay so ^^
they made up, but the league still didnt care
It’s just trash talk which they encourage now
I think they are fine with trash talk long as its nothing personal or offensive
I think he just opted to stop
He posts trihard all the time, he happened to say it once when Malik, a black guy, was on screen
he can still play
His community spams trihard whenever Malik comes on
xQc is held responsible
He got suspended for that, then suspended again I believe for something else
During that later suspension he ‘left’
He says he was pushed out, Dallas says it was mutual
I dont think hes super interested in the pro scene like before
streamer is much more his preference
I think he is but he doesn’t want to deal with blizzard
If there were community tournaments like there used to be, he’d be interested
I doubt it
dafran is being pretty careful right now, only issue is his own mental problems
Ye
it sucks cause that famous selfless "throw" wasnt even a throw
they already knew they lost that
Yep
then again the torb stream stuff
He definitely threw on torb tho
more than makes up for it
yeah lol
nekopara and cooking vids XD
I like the direction of his new buff
hopefully we do
sym's ptr charge rate seems scary
really melts stuff
I already shred shields with sum
Riens and brigs don’t know how to counter
This new buff is making me a happy boy
anyone know what time the OWL on twitch is
???
oh
oko
*ok
thx tho
naw im good
nvm
Its ok I didnt reallly need to know anyway
dang
cool
Go seoul


Has Ado ever won a match?
"i am only focused on killing him" - Jjonak 2019
Today is looking so hype
hello
Did the OWL just get on?
(from eu) yesterday I fell asleep on dragon vs fuel. but had discord still open. I wake up with someone using his voice screaming LUL
Pre show is over
Right on time
Im just in time
Today's matches looking pretty hype
yea
Who's excited for tonight's showdown vs @SeoulDynasty?
#EverUpward #OWL2019 https://t.co/IvlGuCiBxo
377
who r u rooting for?
Nyxl and soul? Sign me up
hope
seoul is improved this time..
todays game is hopefully gonna be a good one
if NYXL 4-0 dynasty than I wonder what they are doing to prepare matches.
i can see seoul vs nyxl going to map 5 and NYXL winning it
not playing today.. idk.. but I think NYXL is better
but I believed paris was better aswell so.
dang I havnt had the chance to see NYXL play yet
I'm sad Toronto not doing so well
I still hope Atlanta does good
atleast ur not a dc or valiant fan LUL
I can see Defiant take this one
looks like Atlantas not playing today
I imagine this match is gonna be personal for Neko lol
I havnt had the chance to watch NYXL yet but after hearing alot of hype im pretty sure their reall good
They are
did you watch season 1 ?
ah.. yeah they are the best imo.. wonder if Titans can win from them
im pretty much a noob
DPS
SOLDIER?!
LMAO

WE ARE JEBAITED
jebaited twice
Fusions big dick energy
that was such a cuck like move from both teams
ivy ❤
thought we might see not goats
Oof.
@trim shadow Oh no they chose the optimal team comp how terrible of them.
im dumb
There's a person on CoW arguing that Dafran is MVP material and he's a better Zarya than Nenne or Seominsoo.
I want to know who his drug dealer is.,
cause weve seent he dps comp come out on busan
Because I want to get in on that shit.
I think its because they saw the stat showing that Dafran is currenty #1 in final blows/10 right now
But no way is he a better zarya than Nenne
If boston takes back capture point then theres no way they wont win
people who think that dafran is the best player did not watch OWL / nyxl and stuff
People who say Dafran is the best are usually Dafran fanboys
also sad part of this meta is that there are so many pog zarya players who are forced to play dva
I mean Dafran is really good
He's better than I expected.
Torontos doing reslly good on defense
But he's not even the best player on his own team.
*really
So how could he be MVP 😛
Toronto get this one
I think biasing on being a fan
Yup
I think Masaa is the best Atlanta player atm
people said xQc is the best main tank aswell
Reign you mean 😛
Ye
People sleep on Masaa, but he gets crucial boops that set up the rest of his team
Nenne just has stupid stats right now.
Benbest just looked lost yesterday
5th in damage, 3rd in Final Blows, 3rd in Elims, 4th in lowest deaths.
Those are crazy rookie stats.
ben was definitively best
he got like 38 deaths
<3


on stage 1 of season 1 the new teams (everyone besides nyxl, seoul and london) had to learn to get used to the games. but the expension teams this season are good or growing really fast
houston was good in stage 1 aswell.. they played together in team usa
The expansion teams actually come into Season 2 with a massive advantage though.
Which very few people talk about.
They're made up of primarily contenders players.
Who've done nothing for the last 9 months but play 3:3.
Whereas Season 1 teams had breaks during the off season.
yeah, kruise mention this alot
J LUL K E
wow so smart juke
They're explaining it for the people who matter.
Parents with kids who spend money.
oh yeah
And don't bitch and cry on reddit/twitter.
disccusion of projectiles definitely retains child viewership
If it makes them understand it, it does.
Whiny cunts aren't a viewerbase you care about.
wew lad
ivy already
always ivy
Boston should put Axxiom back in on Zarya.
Colourhex is...
Uh.
Whats the nicest way to say horrible?
idk about that. when axxiom played he did not look impressive aswell. he is a main tank right
He looked infinitely better than Colourhex.
His bubble usage actually fit for his tank.
Probably because as a main tank he knew what would be looked for when.
if you know you gonna play goats 24/7 why cant you let 2 flex tank players play matches
Man that bomb looked too far back
Probably to build cohesion for when its not 3:3.
why can't seoul maybe not play zunba and michelle the same time :p
While I'd rather see the better Zarya long term cohesion with Colourhex is better.
ye but 3-3 wins anyway
Fleta is more flexible
idk why i don't really like note's dva
4-0 alert! 4-0 alert! 4-0 alert!
Why can't Zunba get a D'va as good as Michelles?
He's had two years for his D'va to not be shit
I think boston really focussed on seoul and seoul focused on nyxl
i think he was not bad in s1.
He was pretty bad.
I blame the coaches
He could have pulled a Spree.
The team was bad he was no superstar but he was consisteny
Spree has a real D'va now.
Michelle is looking great though
Im not even checking patch notes cause I know I’m still gonna be playing dva 24/7...
321
3748
sure kapp
I mean he's not wrong.
lol what a diva
I think seoul will really perform the best we have seen them against nyxl
~~
Mark my word 3-2 for seoul
I personally think Seoul will perform the best when they put a leash on Fissure.
Spree has always had a real Dva
Because Fissure is a hard throw 90% of the time for me.
But he's always said he'd prefer to be a Zarya specialist since he doesn't particularly enjoy playing Dva
Yeah the match in stage 2 is one of my favourites ever
And now Zarya is played by a DPS player in GOATS
poor yakpung
Their almost there
0,00
Most hitscan dps players play Zarya close enough to the Zarya specialists that the specialists don't matter.
You can't really afford becoming a specialist because goats will be dead in stage 2
That clearly said 0.00
Just flat out.
0.0000001
just a bitmore
On a side note. Fissure throws so hard he's ranked #118 for deaths in the league right now.
o god
b0st0n.0
ivy's second to last grav caught boston on both sides of that obstacle, that was insane
they were so close
Fissure has a gigantic ego though he won't trow against the best players in the leauge
when Reign played vs boston. on vulskaya boston had 1 second before ot. and than atl reign taked the point in overtime. both had 1:00 time. monte says he goes behind this but some believe the one second was something like 0.9 second
why does fusions look like hes screaming
idk anymore
who the hell is laughing
He throws against everyone because he's overaggressive.
Brig has such a white girl dance
to be fair she is a white girl
She's a white girl from the land white girls are made from.
the US
Torbjorn allows no twerking in his home.
^
yeah father torb would not approve
cmonBruh
Torb is all about work work work work work.
whoa
With no effectiveness.
molten coreee
envy does it again
WOW
envyyyy
D'va bombs make me sad.
Because it makes the D'va look good.
When its 98% the Rein + Lucio
i wonder if note ever wishes he were envy
Someone
@pearl stratus this is the story what always happend with the dps players. get space and make kills but its still a team job ofcourse
laughing isnt the problem. i just dont know what they're laughing at.
LOOOL
That was a nice stun by Stellar
Was that a Jojo reference?
I realize neko vs boston
Boston is choosing poor target priority.
the spray is a kind of trashtalk without talking
Pretty sure Ivy has only died twice.
Neko dropping the Boston sprays after every fight win is glorious.
They're playing this like garbage.
I don't know who's that laugh is, but it's really loud
They have Chengdu ult coordination and Florida Mayhem Target Priority.
They invest so much to kill Yakpung, and leave Ivy just blasting people.
YEAH
except atleast Chengdu has good individual performances and Florida has a very solid tankline
lmao
Guys, did we just watch Sonic vs. Shadow
lool @woven hill
White/Blue vs. Black/Red
And of course....
500IQ
this is the Evil Route to Shadow The Hedgehog
I hope Boston can stepup their game a bit
I want to see Ivy's stats
trans to not stay on point 
I think he only died twice.
I remember when Eqo used shanghai sprays LUL
what did bumper do
Those guys laughing are so irritating Jesus
Solo ulted Izayaki, then spammed teabag while Rapel kicked him to death
lmaoooo
did someone clip that
I'm About to go solo ult that Chow mein i left in the fridge 3 hours ago!
Also Neko is great
guess i gotta find it then
You know, it makes me a little sad that when Malik pops up, there are still people in chat who post 7
there will always be kids
like, we know what you're doing, and it's not funny
IVY LMAO
Why is the Defiant the best team ever 
yeah boston
you have like
5.9% chance to win without picking zarya first
you can do this
neko have aimgods number LUL
Aimgod, that name alone means ANY name can be in OWL
he was talking trash about boston, got leaked and than he apoligized but i'm sure he hates boston
I mean Neko is used to getting shit on.
He got called out for being a korean incel too
Like a year and a half ago.

Nah this was from when one of his teammates wanted to support his girlfriends womens group or something. And he just made fun of it in that very creepy no one will ever touch you style.
@nova wadi
@balmy wolf 

i know it's memeing but besides getting exposed problems. the money is not worth for earning or giving for one stage match
Boston just needs to stop investing all their resources just in killing Yakpung and reset some Ivy energy a few times.
In 1 week
if a player throw for money. that one time money yay but their full career is in risk
Is humour just not allowed on the forums?
no 😡
I think it varies behind how much autism the humor embodies.
NO FUN ALLOWED!
fined and ban for 2 stages
@minor flame thats every community
That's the internet
thats also csgo
Dude Twitch chat could make the pope pro-choice.
hello 4 head
and 7
Twitch chat for ow is the same for every twitch chat
No matter what the game is.
Lmao
4Head Hello Neko 4Head Boston Here 4Head want to come back ?
Hey look, Boston is doing what they should have been doing against the Dragons
dude is boston crying again
boston had axxiom who is painfully mediocre
The Rein really does make a difference in stopping a Sombra from dismantling your entire team over
And over
And over
And over
And over
And over.
was colourhex not low on sr like the other players ? I remember a clip but not sure if it's about him
unlike
So, is Brigitte's ultimate an attacking ultimate, or a defence ultimate?
both
12cp zzzzzz
Coming from xQc though
When xQc would have fail tilt days
And drop into masters.
@night tusk i don't get it
oh yeah
Fusions is mid too lol
(idk) but if all owl players are once above 4300 and colourhex does not, maybe it says something
Its ladder.
Ya xxqc variety stream
You have players in OWL who don't even play their main roles on Ladder.
Because why would you.
Yea but colorhex'a region is bad in general lol
^
Yeah I'm just saying the info is coming from a masters player who said he's better than Fusions 😛
Or you have Healers trying to dps, then moaning at you for not going healer
i don't understand
Ivy peaced out instantly to not lose energy lol
4Gitte
RIGGED
RIGGED
So, you get 3 tokens each hour right?
yes
hm
rigged
rigged
“Mouse stopped working”
what a coincidence
So many pauses compared to season 1



