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[minor flame]

so unlucky

[stuck agate]

o w

[minor flame]

youngjin is gonna get trashed

[visual glen]

[untold aspen]

9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9

[rugged yacht]

[minor flame]

holy shit

[spring heath]

gg

[stuck agate]

o u c h

[azure harbor]

[stuck agate]

gg o u w c h

[north beacon]

Aw geez

[north tendon]

lmao what a joke

[spring heath]

two pat match

part

[north tendon]

gg i guess

[visual glen]

Youngjin MVP

[spring heath]

hooooooo shi

[reef imp]

i'm sad

[tired mango]

bring youngjin up for an interview

[warm quartz]

yeah youngjin mvp

[north tendon]

zach got carried as usual

whats new

[stuck agate]

GIVE US YOUNGJIN INTERVIEW YOU COWARDS

[north beacon]

Man imagine they’re like “ok go interview youngjin now”

[stuck agate]

WE WANT TO KNOW

[rugged yacht]

so we'll b getting our 2nd win and assurance of the play offs

[warm quartz]

NOPE ITS RCK I THINK

[sinful heron]

LETS BE REAL HERE: Props to Shanghai for getting it that close, at the start of the season y'all woulda been crazy to see Shanghai getting to game 5

[spring heath]

next fri

8:30

[minor flame]

Shanghai put up a great fight

[spring heath]

what does two part match mean

[minor flame]

their holds on skaya and numbani

was fucking great

[sinful heron]

^

[stuck agate]

GIVE US YOUNGJIN

[warm quartz]

THROW SHADE

DARE U

DO IT

NO BALLS RCK

[north beacon]

I want to see someone ragequit in OWL one day. Like hit leave game and the red message shows up

[north tendon]

whats this about youngjin?

[tired mango]

pulled it oUt

[rugged yacht]

fucked up our map counts tho shit

[minor flame]

Youngjin c9ed

he left the payload on Dorado

[spring heath]

wait what if shanghai wins fri

[north tendon]

oh

[spring heath]

then what

[ruby pendant]

@north beacon lol probably against their contract

[minor flame]

if Shanghai wins FRI they have a chance to get back into playoffs

[warm quartz]

@spring heath then hilarious

[spring heath]

yes yes yes

shang9 i still love u

[ruby pendant]

@minor flame after this game, im so disappointed

[spring heath]

in fact i love u more

[north tendon]

yea just unlucky it sounds like, I left before dorado extra time so idk

[rugged yacht]

if they win tmr they'll be in the play offs

they play london last

[tired mango]

if dallas wins?

[stuck agate]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SourEntertainingAsparagusRiPepperonis watch @untold aspen s vid

[rugged yacht]

no shd

[minor flame]

actually

Shanghai fights London

[tired mango]

are dallas in playoffs then at 3-2?

[minor flame]

they are in playoffs

[rugged yacht]

yes

[minor flame]

but they can be knocked off

by other teams

if they win against Shanghai next fri theyll be in playoffs

[balmy wolf]

WAIT DALLAS WON

[spring heath]

wait you left before ot did you see the shang9 @north tendon

[minor flame]

if Shanghai wins they wont

yes Dallas won because Youngjin c9ed mostly

[rugged yacht]

when we get this win next game we play boston and end 5;2

[balmy wolf]

yikes

i expect dragons to win the next match up

[north tendon]

no I didnt, I just saw the clip

[tired mango]

can be argued dallas wouldve won anyways if youngjin didnt get off point

[untold aspen]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SourEntertainingAsparagusRiPepperonis

[north tendon]

thats a yikes

[untold aspen]

9

[minor flame]

Arguably yes but Shanghai had a snowball advantage

[north tendon]

I would be so pissed if that happened to me

[minor flame]

and everyone was nearing thier ults

[spring heath]

damn it was a cute but horrible moment

[oblique valley]

rip

[spring heath]

they showed yj's face after

[rugged yacht]

coach kills all of shd in scrims tmr

[minor flame]

GZC fights Valiant tomorrow

[north tendon]

24 hr scrims no sleep

[hidden vault]

Shd could have win dallas omg

[minor flame]

GZC knocks Fuel off

[cedar drum]

Akm's back must hurt

[minor flame]

so Fuel needs to win against Shanghai next friday

or else they wont win playoffs spot

[rugged yacht]

yes and no

[north tendon]

dragons should feel bad they lost to a team with feederee

[cedar drum]

Nah, yeah

[north tendon]

lul

[cedar drum]

Fuel's map wins isn't good at all

[minor flame]

9-12 Fuel

LMAO

[cedar drum]

They'll have to be 5-2

[rugged yacht]

the win will assure they're in but a lose will leave them in an iffy place

[north tendon]

anyway this dallas isnt really going anywhere tbh, I mean atleast they aim to be mid tier

[cedar drum]

@rugged yacht Look at their MD, no way they make it with 4-3

[north tendon]

then good for em I suppose

[minor flame]

oh yeah I forgot Fuel has Boston

tahts something

[north tendon]

but champions? haha nah

[minor flame]

Boston will be tough against

with Fusions on board

[hidden quail]

vancouver is kicking ass

[north tendon]

fusions pogu

only reason I like boston

but aimgod is nice too

[minor flame]

Boston and Toronto fight tmrw

if either win

they basiaclly knock off Dallas

[rugged yacht]

we just need to win w/ or w/o a tie and ez win boston

[minor flame]

ez win boston

lmao

[gaunt acorn]

vancouver stands the best shot at going undefeated for stage 1

[upper niche]

Dallas play Shanghai and Boston.

[north tendon]

the dragons match with dallas is the very next one?

this should be exciting

[minor flame]

its in next fri

[hidden vault]

Isn't axxiom better then fusion?

[minor flame]

yeah

on Winston

sure

[north tendon]

cool, with how this one ended

[minor flame]

but on Rein i think hes noticably beter

[north tendon]

it should be a good one

[cedar drum]

@hidden vault Not in this meta

[minor flame]

especially with his shotcalling

[hidden vault]

Then why did biston play axxiom against shanghai?

[minor flame]

Fusions is better on Rein but hes less flexible than Axxiom

[upper niche]

I need to know which genius came up with this match schedule where a team plays the same team twice in the same stage 😦

[minor flame]

Fusions was 2 way

[hidden vault]

Not that they will win but

[minor flame]

couldnt play that week

[north tendon]

he couldnt because of a dumb rule

but now thats fixed

[minor flame]

a contract only lets him play 2 times a stage

but thats been circumvented

[cedar drum]

@hidden vault Last minute they were told by the officials that they can't play fusions again this stage

[hidden vault]

Wasn't he signed long before

[minor flame]

as a 2 way

not a perm player

[cedar drum]

Because of some stupid contenders + OWL rule

Anyway, they have now changed the rule and he can play again.

[hidden vault]

As in the announcement to sign him was before owl starts

[balmy wolf]

Analysts are bronze

[north tendon]

also axxiom seems like all talk so far, atleast based on the match with dragons

[minor flame]

Yeah

Dallas wont be in Playoffs likely

[spring heath]

gunna go but that was really fun

[minor flame]

GZC and/or Toronto will take their spot

[queen drift]

Too many teams in playoffs imo

[north tendon]

maybe he is good though, but fusions is one of my fav reins

so I could be biased

[raven tendon]

The victory from Dallas Fuel to Shangai Dragons was amazing, the best thing that i've saw in so time ago, LOL

[spring heath]

first time on this channel i liked talking to you all

[hidden vault]

Axxiom better winston the fusion?

[minor flame]

Yes

[cedar drum]

Shanghai played the day they won, but i legitimately don't think they would have won that if Fusions hadn't been suddenly replaced at the last minute.

[rugged yacht]

welcome to the channel@spring heath

[minor flame]

even if Fusions were on there

Dding existed

[spring heath]

@rugged yacht 😄

[minor flame]

you cant play much against dding

[spring heath]

ty

[minor flame]

as a rein palyer

[spring heath]

!! bye~

[cedar drum]

@minor flame Fusions comes from EU

[north tendon]

take care yae 😄

[minor flame]

also he wouldve underperformed as Winston

[cedar drum]

He has a ton of experience with Goats

[minor flame]

in the maps like HLC

big shit

its still a sombra

vs a rein

[rugged yacht]

shut down or out play dding u win

[raven tendon]

First thing that i've write in this discussion channel XD

[minor flame]

wtf are you gonna do

[cedar drum]

He would know how to counter Sombra/not get shat on by her.

[minor flame]

hes a REIN

[cedar drum]

He's the shotcaller

[minor flame]

hes always gonna be on the frontline

[cedar drum]

What do u mean?

[minor flame]

first to get the hacks and emps

[north tendon]

@raven tendon welc

[cedar drum]

He's literally the loudest shotcaller

[mint turtle]

Literally sheild blocks hack los

[raven tendon]

EPM* LOL

[mint turtle]

Hes only fucked by emp

[minor flame]

epm?

[mint turtle]

Same as every rein tho

[balmy wolf]

Shanghai dont even have a flex tank

[minor flame]

dding hacked the other tanks

[cedar drum]

Sombra goats can be beaten by Zen goats

[minor flame]

not axxiom specifically

[cedar drum]

We have seen it again and again

[mint turtle]

It's literally not the job of rein to fight sombra

[cedar drum]

There is counterplay there

[minor flame]

thats why Fusions being there wouldnt make much of a impact

[balmy wolf]

Lmfaoo

[minor flame]

individually

[north tendon]

the rein's job is to suffer

[hidden vault]

@cedar drum no they wouldn't still have, because boston was weak to sombra strats and dding was hacking left and right fusions wouldn't have done much

[rugged yacht]

zen is in all goats tho

[supple prism]

almost

[balmy wolf]

Moira goats has no zen bruhv

[north tendon]

yes you can see the effect of sombra on boston

with nyxl

[cedar drum]

@hidden vault that's what I am saying, with fusions shotcalling they would have done much better.

[north tendon]

meko kept disrupting fusions

[minor flame]

thats true

sombra sweeped boston

[glass flare]

are you a gamer girl

[minor flame]

in both matches

even though fusions was in one of them

[hidden vault]

@cedar drum much better yes but probably would still lose to dding

[minor flame]

Aimgod and the boston Brig only developed counterplay

late HLC

and like 4th map

[hidden vault]

Blasie

[minor flame]

yeah him

[hidden vault]

They shouls trade axxiom away 🙃

[cedar drum]

Axxiom is gonna be fine

[minor flame]

Axxiom is fine though

he sometimes feeds

[cedar drum]

Meta's about to change

[minor flame]

like literally

[cedar drum]

Drastically

[minor flame]

Metas gonna change but Winston will still be shredded

Junkrat buff

McCree buff against Primal

[rugged yacht]

I only hope boston wins so dallas finishes them the last week

[cedar drum]

You don't wanna throw away potentially great players based on a single stage

[balmy wolf]

Im pretty sure Axxiom was supposed to be starting as mt but fusioms did so good in his first game they decided to keep him lol

[north tendon]

SOLDIER BUFF

[minor flame]

nah

GZC will take Dallas spot

most likely

[hidden vault]

Mcree shouldn't be buffed lol

Even sound barrier wouldn't even work

[balmy wolf]

His ult is useless

[north tendon]

the charge is shaping up to be a good contender

[balmy wolf]

He got nerffed

[cedar drum]

@balmy wolf Fusions just has so much experience on goats.

[minor flame]

????

McCree ult or Primal?

your talking about

because Deadeye now fucking shreds Primal

[hidden vault]

@balmy wolf I agree though if not he wouldn't be signed as a two way in the 1st place

[balmy wolf]

Ya hes used to it @cedar drum

[minor flame]

Fusions has alot of experience

[north tendon]

btw does that pharah buff change much? I didnt quite understand it

[minor flame]

yet he still got swept as sombra

[balmy wolf]

Gamsu even got traded away they were relaly ready to start the szn with axiom lll @hidden vault

[minor flame]

Pharah buff didnt do much

[cedar drum]

@minor flame First game?

[minor flame]

yeah

first game

[north tendon]

whats the difference now bean?

[minor flame]

direct hit does

slightly more dmg?

dpm

dps

[cedar drum]

Remember that that game was also like 2 days after he was signed

[north tendon]

ah

[cedar drum]

Put on the team

[minor flame]

and he dominated Mano

[north tendon]

but no dumb splash damage like before right

[cedar drum]

Pharah buff is what

[supple prism]

what was the pharah buff?

[cedar drum]

18.5-20

Splash?

[hidden vault]

@balmy wolf they are 100% regretting trading gamsu I bet

[minor flame]

Pharah buff was a few patches ago

[cedar drum]

@hidden vault Nah.....not at all

[hidden vault]

Cause Huk hated gamsu?

[supple prism]

the one where they moved some of the splash damage to the direct hit damage?

[cedar drum]

@minor flame no, there's a new pharah buff on ptr

[balmy wolf]

Idk we didmt get a chamce to see axiom for real lol @hidden vault

[hidden vault]

But gamsu was a factor that they won

[minor flame]

we saw Axxiom

[hidden vault]

@balmy wolf only the 1st 3 matches

[minor flame]

he was meh

he was like

good

but not great

[hidden vault]

But fusions really caught my eye

[balmy wolf]

We saw axxiom play with a 2hr notice

[cedar drum]

You can't just cherry pick stats like 'They had gamsu when they won and not gamsu when they lost hence gamsu was the reason they won'

@hidden vault Their biggest factor for winning was Krusty

[balmy wolf]

Crusty

[cedar drum]

Yup

[minor flame]

Krusty

lmao

[cedar drum]

11 win streak with him

Left, Boston had a 7 loss streak immediately I think

Then he came to shock, and the shock whivh was doinh awful all season suddenly did really well in stage 4.

[hidden vault]

Yeah he went to shock

[balmy wolf]

I thought u couldnt cherry pick stacks like 'they had krusty when they won and not krusty when they lost hence krusty wss the reson they won'

[minor flame]

Gamsu is still a very solid MT though

you can see his improvements from S1

[balmy wolf]

Gamsu top 5

[hidden vault]

@cedar drum i was talking about gamsu on shd without gansu yongjin has to play main tank because fearless was injured

Say if boston played a dick move and denied shanghai a main tank

Shanghai wouldn't have won

[cedar drum]

Wait....what?

Ohh

[balmy wolf]

Well shanghai paid a lot

[minor flame]

huh

[balmy wolf]

If boston said no

[cedar drum]

Boston wouldn't do that though

[minor flame]

wouldnt Shanghai gotten a Main tank anyway

[balmy wolf]

Shanghai could just buy another tank

[minor flame]

yeah

[balmy wolf]

Yea

[cedar drum]

Cause Boston sold all their star players for big cash money

[hidden vault]

As good as gamsu?

[cedar drum]

Clearly they don't much care about being dicks or winning

[balmy wolf]

Striker didnt get sold

Neko didnt get sold

[hidden vault]

They wanted to play yongjin as main tank????

[minor flame]

Neko went to Toronto

wdym

[balmy wolf]

No he got picked up by toronto

[proper cove]

WHATS UP FUCKERS!

[hidden vault]

Huk doesn't like the original Koreans

[balmy wolf]

Boston didnt renew him

Or striker

[north tendon]

@minor flame Pharah

Rocket Launcher
Minimum explosion damage increased from 16.25 to 20

im talking about this

[hidden vault]

Crusty Gansu Striker Neko

[minor flame]

is that splash?

[north tendon]

im asking you lol

[minor flame]

thats not a very big buff

[proper cove]

“ 3-1 To ShAnGhAi “

[hidden vault]

Crustry went to shock mid 3rd stage

[balmy wolf]

Ya explosion is splash

[minor flame]

hmm

its not that big of a buff then

[cedar drum]

@minor flame Still will be a lot over time

[proper cove]

[hidden vault]

Striker Neko was released

[minor flame]

maybe itll make a diff when picking off like

4 hp heroes

[hidden vault]

And got picked up

[minor flame]

Striker is still in Boston no?

Neko just left

[hidden vault]

Noo

[minor flame]

or got released

[north tendon]

so it wont impact the 2-3 shots

[hidden vault]

Released

Now striker got picked up by shock

[cedar drum]

By their old coach

Lol

[minor flame]

ah

youre right

[hidden vault]

Good choice by shock

Now they have a sintraa replacement

[north tendon]

shock is kinda stacked, but I dont really like super

[hidden vault]

If he's injured or smth

[cedar drum]

Shock is kinda stacked?

[minor flame]

Shock has been showing themselves as a good team

[hidden vault]

Super is their best

[cedar drum]

They literally have the max amount of players

[minor flame]

theyve been dominating so far

[cedar drum]

No other team has 12 players

[hidden vault]

They have 5 dps

[north tendon]

super is an average rein though

or below average

[hidden vault]

They shousl trade one dps away

Super or Smurf

[minor flame]

Super was like

[hidden vault]

Choose one

[cedar drum]

@north tendon Nah, super's up there.

[minor flame]

mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[north tendon]

the stats dont lie

the stats guys called him "super bad"

[minor flame]

yeah his stats are atrocious

[cedar drum]

The stats 100% lie

[hidden vault]

Butbai agree super isn't doing well compared to his team

[minor flame]

yeah guys

stats lie 100%

jjonak isnt good

[cedar drum]

You can cherry pick stats to promote a narrative

[minor flame]

cause all his kills are stats

[cedar drum]

Happens all the time

[hidden vault]

Then who isnthe better zen?

[north tendon]

im not impressed by super, I have seen rein plays

[cedar drum]

The stats they showed for bumper

[north tendon]

hes OK

not a top rein

[cedar drum]

And the stats they showed for super

[balmy wolf]

Release babybay he sucks

[minor flame]

Super was meh

isnt that good

isnt that bad

[north tendon]

^

exactly like the stats say

[cedar drum]

You can clearly see the production wanted to promote a narrative and make a joke 'Super bad'

[north tendon]

below average

mid at best

[minor flame]

ok

narrative or not

[balmy wolf]

Super over extends a lot

[minor flame]

he performes

not that good

[hidden vault]

If you release babybay

[cedar drum]

I think he's top 8

[balmy wolf]

Hes not top tier

[hidden vault]

There's no shock

[minor flame]

top 8 is like mid tier

ngl

top 5 is top tier

[hidden vault]

Super isn't top 8

[balmy wolf]

Top 8 is so broad lmao

[cedar drum]

@minor flame Aren't there like 30+ main tanks

?

[balmy wolf]

Might as well say top half

[hidden vault]

Kay I'm out

[north tendon]

hes definitely not shock's best player

[minor flame]

there are 20 teams

[north tendon]

lol

[minor flame]

each has 1 main tank

[north tendon]

see ya

[minor flame]

top 8 is broad af

[cedar drum]

@minor flame Each has 1 ?

[minor flame]

in terms orein

of rein

[cedar drum]

HS has 2

Other teams have 2 too

[minor flame]

Guxue isnt really specialized in rein

Nosmite is mainly the rein player there

[north tendon]

yeah, nosmite takes the rein duty

[minor flame]

they just play Guxue because

idfk

[north tendon]

because hes a fucking good winston

[minor flame]

yeah

but he played as rein

in 3-3 maps

and its like huhhhhhhhhhhh

[white nova]

who won?

[cedar drum]

K

[minor flame]

Dallas

[white nova]

Sorry I just got back

[minor flame]

it was

3-2 i believe

[white nova]

I was afk

Oh dang

Shoeless

[minor flame]

Shoeless?

[proper cove]

Hey @ruby pendant what was you saying?! “3-1! 3-1! “ now look who stupid

[minor flame]

you sound like a fucking child

no offense

[north tendon]

cmon dude lol

[white nova]

I was kinda rooting for dragons

[minor flame]

Dragons had a chance to win

but they c9ed

Youngjin got off payload

cost them possibly

the entire series

[north tendon]

from the sounds of it it did

they had ults?

[minor flame]

yeah

all of them were very close

[proper cove]

Yo call me what you want! Mother fucking underdogs

[north tendon]

that really sucks

[ruby pendant]

lol

[white nova]

Doesnt one of the skins for wrecking ball look like the colors for Houston?

[ruby pendant]

frosty chill

[minor flame]

are fuel fans always this childish?

[north tendon]

frosty showcasing what a fuel fan is usually like

[proper cove]

Na just me

[north tendon]

no wonder they are a rollercoaster

[white nova]

Lets Goooo!!!

[proper cove]

Other fuel fans are ok

[white nova]

I was rooting for Atllanta the whole time

[north tendon]

well, you guys are better than houston fans

[white nova]

*Atlanta

[north tendon]

Ill give ya that

[white nova]

yea

[north tendon]

I dont actually think anyone on this server is a houston fan though lul

[proper cove]

Aye man I’m going to sleep a happy man

[hidden vault]

They had

[north tendon]

gg, enjoy your win

[minor flame]

Leggo is

[white nova]

@proper cove
Alright night

[proper cove]

Thanks ✊✊

[north tendon]

goodnight and watch out for the rematch

[hidden vault]

I think youngjin though that it was that few seconds that the door took time to open

[north tendon]

😄

aint over yet

[minor flame]

yes

he thought it was

[white nova]

Todays OWL was a GG

[minor flame]

or thought Coma was on payload according to casters

but its most likely he though dooors were open

[white nova]

so far it is

[minor flame]

so he mightve wanted to get a armor pack on someone

as far as c9s go

[north tendon]

keeping the brig alone like that was weird though

[minor flame]

its not the worst reasons a c9 happened

[north tendon]

just unfortunate

[white nova]

How long is this gonna last?

[minor flame]

dorado door

is just

slow

so slow

[north tendon]

idk why i feel eichen's takes ages

[minor flame]

it does

[white nova]

Is the OWL usually once every year?

[balmy wolf]

First the payload has to break down the door on eichen

[minor flame]

so far

yes

it is once every year

[north tendon]

4 stages and playoffs

[white nova]

cool

[north tendon]

I hope we dont get as much of an offseason this time

that was horrible

[balmy wolf]

Theres no world cup

This year

Iirc

[north tendon]

if this speeds up owl then im all for it

wc is OK

[white nova]

This was pretty entertaining watching so far

[balmy wolf]

Owl will last longer is all

[north tendon]

okay thats great

it is entertaining, you get all these nice team colors and of course the best of the best

[white nova]

yea

[north tendon]

it would be nice if the meta gets a bit more varied with dps, but this is still fun so far

I miss pine's crazy headshots though....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbGawBoLIl8

soo gooood

[feral igloo]

if hero bans are introduced..

[woven hill]

French players telling me to kill myself because i have 4 golds and have literally sweated myself out of several years of my life just to give these people a chance make me wonder why i even play.

[north tendon]

I think bans will do more harm than good, we just need goats a bit more toned down and we are gucci

[feral igloo]

if it's one ban per team, not really

if it's multiple bans per team, yes there's harm

😃

[north tendon]

im not convinced by jayne's tournament

seemed more of the same issue

[feral igloo]

i didnt watch his tournament

[north tendon]

they opted for quad tanks

[woven hill]

That's the thing i never got a "thank you for reporting", so Blizzard was fine with it

[north tendon]

lol

[woven hill]

but i get warnings for nothing

[north tendon]

project, play for yourself to have fun and improve, never for your team

that way you wont be as mad

[woven hill]

I'm a team captain dude

[north tendon]

so you're the captain of a team thats toxic to you

[woven hill]

It's literally in my job description to bring a team together

[north tendon]

thats a yikes

[woven hill]

No, that's a premade team, but i still have to bring 5 randos together as a team, it's kinda my job

[north tendon]

you mean LFG?

or like scouting

[woven hill]

Scouting

i guess

but it's more just ladder games

[north tendon]

well if you are gonna form a team, you would obviously want people that are coachable and actually decent to each other

so maybe just reset and try again

arguments will happen, but just flat out insulting is a bad sign

[minor flame]

1 ban per team

when the entire point of the game is to switch to a hero

when every hero has a distinct role from each other

nah

this isnt league of legends

[north tendon]

its very premature for overwatch

[trim shadow]

then cancerous meta will continue to persist

[unreal shell]

enjoy goats forever then lol

[minor flame]

yeah guys

lets ignore new patch that weakens goats alot

and say how we need hero bans

[balmy wolf]

Hero bans should never be introduced to the game

The problem isn't goats

The problem is Brigitte is a bad character

I quit the day she was available

[supple prism]

well she is fine now

[balmy wolf]

Is she

[supple prism]

tracer can fight her now

[balmy wolf]

Shes still played a lot in owl, no?

[supple prism]

yea but she is only a fraction of the reason why

tanks and supports have just been strong for awhile now

this next patch is shifting that a lot now

[balmy wolf]

[supple prism]

and OWL isnt the same as ranked

[balmy wolf]

Idk abt theory crafting ptr will have to wait till it goes live imo

This is esports discussion i thought we were talking abt owl

😅

[minor flame]

Brigitte outside of goats

is fucking garbage

thats the thing

[balmy wolf]

Well ya

Shes underpowered when not in deathball

[minor flame]

which means Brigitte as a concept is the only link in goats

[balmy wolf]

She is a bad character

[minor flame]

its not entirely because of brigitte now

its just that shes linked with Lucio and Zarya

the most enabling ones in Goats

[balmy wolf]

Her kit in general is just weird

[vale pond]

Just buff the right things

[minor flame]

They should buff her skillshot

[vale pond]

Buff shieldbash damage, whip cooldown, repair pack, nerf inspire for team

[balmy wolf]

It doesnt do enough damage ur right

[minor flame]

Shieldbash is useful and all

[vale pond]

They nerfed it from 50-5

[minor flame]

but the Skillshot

is way too bad

[vale pond]

Whip is useless yeah

[minor flame]

its skill to use it

compared to reward

is like not worht

other than extra dmg

[balmy wolf]

It should be deleted

[minor flame]

its like a shittier fire strike

[vale pond]

Its like boop with single target and a longer cooldown

With travel distance

[balmy wolf]

And range

[vale pond]

yeah but like its hard to hit

[balmy wolf]

Not rlly

[vale pond]

Yes really

[minor flame]

it definitely is

[balmy wolf]

Lol

[minor flame]

the time it takes

[vale pond]

for what you get from it it is

[minor flame]

for the skillshot to reach its destination

[balmy wolf]

Who is a bad brig

[minor flame]

is like

my lifetime

an unvaccinated childs lifetime

[vale pond]

I mained brig so I would know

[balmy wolf]

Ur not a pro

[vale pond]

so?

[balmy wolf]

So this is esports discussion

[vale pond]

that doesnt mean it isnt a bad ability

[balmy wolf]

I dont wanna talk abt plats struggking to hit skillshots

[vale pond]

skill aside

its still a worse boop

[minor flame]

people move way too fast and much for whip to hit

its so slow

and sluggish

[vale pond]

ok whatever skill aside

Its still a bad ability

Its value is low

Its a worse boop

[balmy wolf]

Does boop have low value?

[minor flame]

no

its pretty valuable

if used right

[vale pond]

Boop has very high value

[balmy wolf]

Then why is being worse than boop a bad thing

[minor flame]

ok let me just say this

whipshot is like boop

[balmy wolf]

Displacement is always good

[minor flame]

but its usage is so

[vale pond]

I’m suggesting a way to buff brig outside of goats

[minor flame]

bad

[vale pond]

And its underpowered for its cd

its something that could be improved imo

[minor flame]

its a single target and its not really strong compared to boop

other than like dmg

btu even then just alone its abysmal

its very situational

[balmy wolf]

Make it 5 damage too

And lower cd?

Its getting buffed in the new patch air boops

[vale pond]

or just lower cd

Stop lowering what made brig useful

[balmy wolf]

?

[vale pond]

Outside of goats*

[balmy wolf]

Brig was useful cuz of damage?

[vale pond]

Should have clarified

[minor flame]

Brig has very low damage

her tankiness wont get her far

[vale pond]

she was better

[minor flame]

if she doesnt do much

in a comp outside gaots

[balmy wolf]

She was better yes and it was a problem then too

[vale pond]

they should buff the things needed to make her the anti dive off healer she was intended to be

at the cost of inspire

[balmy wolf]

Is she anti dive or is she deathball

[vale pond]

Imo antidive

[balmy wolf]

Jeff said they made her for anti dive right

[vale pond]

she was added as a reaction to dive

yes

but inspire ended up making goats too good

which is what needs nerfed

[balmy wolf]

Is inspire her ult

Or her passive healing

[minor flame]

Inspire is her

passive

from hitting something

Rally is her ult

[vale pond]

rally contributed

[balmy wolf]

Lower her dps and jncrease her inspire

[vale pond]

Excuse me?

[balmy wolf]

But make inspire not touch her

[minor flame]

her dps is already abysmal

lmao

[vale pond]

And make goats op?

[minor flame]

that

[vale pond]

Are you on pot?

[minor flame]

thats a pretty bad suggestion

[balmy wolf]

[minor flame]

buffs goats but nerfs brig

[balmy wolf]

Inspire heals her right?

[vale pond]

Yes

[minor flame]

yes

[vale pond]

Thats not why she is good

Her survivability is easy to work around

her personal inspire is fine

[balmy wolf]

Shes broken cuz of armor pack

Imo

[vale pond]

Wrong again

[balmy wolf]

Idk

[vale pond]

as someone who mained brig and played her in goats I tell you thats not the problem

Team inspire is what makes her good

The rest of her kit is underpowered outside of goats

[balmy wolf]

But thats conditional

[vale pond]

how

[balmy wolf]

If she cant hit anything she cant heal

[vale pond]

she will hit stuff

[balmy wolf]

How if double sniper is the next meta

[vale pond]

there are 4 other team members

[balmy wolf]

Right

[vale pond]

Also speedboost helps her get places

Hence goats

[balmy wolf]

Speedboost nerffed

[vale pond]

Ok so goats dies then what

Brig sucks then

[balmy wolf]

Nk

No

[vale pond]

Yes

Brig is awful outside of goats

Objectively

[balmy wolf]

Yes

[vale pond]

so buff her.

[balmy wolf]

But if u increase her passive healing and adjust armor pack

[vale pond]

just not inspire

[balmy wolf]

Nerf flail

[vale pond]

Inspire means goats

[balmy wolf]

Is inspire what enabkes goats?

[vale pond]

Aoe healing enables goats

[minor flame]

Inspire and Rally enable goats

[vale pond]

Along with speed

[balmy wolf]

Speed is nerffed

[vale pond]

^ for brig

to beani

so?

[minor flame]

Speed doesnt apply to anyone else

only her

[balmy wolf]

So it wont be as easy

[vale pond]

if you increase the heals that balances out

[balmy wolf]

No it doesnt

Because she onky heals when hitti g

[vale pond]

Its close

[balmy wolf]

Not when walking

[vale pond]

She will hit stuff

[balmy wolf]

No because she needs to get there but she cant

[vale pond]

its not hard to walk to the enemy and press mb1

She absolutely can

[balmy wolf]

Bro what

Hold w 4head

[vale pond]

yes

[minor flame]

the best way to buff Brigitte is to slightly buff Shield Bash and Whipshot

[vale pond]

Pretty fucking much

[minor flame]

both of them right now

are in a bad spot

[vale pond]

brig needs sb and whip buffed

[balmy wolf]

Then make her a dps

[vale pond]

and then rebalance her heals to be more armor pack focused

[balmy wolf]

Smh

[vale pond]

shes an off healer

Whos job is to counter dive

[balmy wolf]

Change her roll to a deathball healer

[vale pond]

and to a lesser extent fit in deathball, slambulance, etc

[balmy wolf]

Is what im saying

Make her more abt attacking

[vale pond]

So buff sb and whip...

[balmy wolf]

No

[vale pond]

thats more attacking

[balmy wolf]

Cuz that buffs bunker

[vale pond]

how

[minor flame]

what

her inspire and rally is fine rn

[balmy wolf]

Enemy comes close just cc and instakill

[minor flame]

not that empowering for goats anymore

her dmg is just bad

very inadequate

[vale pond]

Brig doesnt have her instakill anymore

[minor flame]

you wouldnt even buff bash and whipshot aloto

[balmy wolf]

Thats good for a support character to have inadequate damage

[minor flame]

ana can 3 shot a squishy

zen is zen

[vale pond]

hers is terrible for a support

[minor flame]

lucio can enviromental kill

and can do some dmg

[balmy wolf]

So can brig

[minor flame]

all of them outdmg brig

[balmy wolf]

[vale pond]

brig has the lowest damage of all supports besides moira

even mercy can click heads and do more dps

[minor flame]

brig has the more useless utility compared to all other off healers

outside of goats

[balmy wolf]

But her kit has so much utility it doesnt matter

[minor flame]

and goats is now weak

[balmy wolf]

No wtf

[minor flame]

her utility fucking sucks

[vale pond]

her ulitility is trash

[balmy wolf]

She can cc, displace & aoe heal

And instant heal

And over heal

[vale pond]

her cc is limited

[minor flame]

displace is hard to hit and most of the time it doesnt do much

her cc happens sure but you have a better chance

[vale pond]

Her boop has a long cd and takes a lot of accuracy

[balmy wolf]

No its not hard to hit what

[minor flame]

displacing yourself

before making a good impact

[vale pond]

and her heal is lackluster outside of goats

[minor flame]

try whipshotting a flying dva or jumping winston from a distance

youll never hit unless youre so used to it

[balmy wolf]

We're talking abt pros

[minor flame]

whipstop is just

way too situational

[vale pond]

It goes both ways for oros

Pros have better aim but better dodging

Projectiles are easier to dodg

[balmy wolf]

Then why do pro hanzos hit so many shots

[minor flame]

[supple prism]

often caught unaware

[minor flame]

hanzo projectile speed vs whipshot

[supple prism]

hard to see where a hanzo is aiming in all that mess

[minor flame]

you have better chances hitting 80 hanzo arrows than 35 whipshots

[vale pond]

also you can shoot arrows faster than a 7sec cd ability

[minor flame]

on midair

[balmy wolf]

Whats the speed of ws vs hog hook

[minor flame]

WS and Hog Hook are

similar speeds i think

[balmy wolf]

Why tf complain abt ws then

Hog hook is so easy to hit

[minor flame]

becausei t doesnt offer anything good

[vale pond]

Hook has a bigget hitbox

[minor flame]

its so useless

compared to hook

[vale pond]

And is also incomparable

Hook is instant death for whatever squishy gets hooked

[balmy wolf]

How is it uncomparable the excuse was it wont hit

[minor flame]

we argued the reward for whipshot was shit

then into you can barely hit it

[balmy wolf]

The reward is a ramged boop

[minor flame]

which is barely useful

its so situational

[balmy wolf]

It does 70 damage

[minor flame]

70 lone dmg

you cant do any follow up dmg

[balmy wolf]

[minor flame]

cause you make it out of your range

[balmy wolf]

What other boops r there

In the game

Pharah

Lucio

Dva

[vale pond]

Lucio, phara, ashe

[minor flame]

halt boop concussion dva

[balmy wolf]

Ashe

[minor flame]

charge

[vale pond]

winston dva

[minor flame]

ashe

[balmy wolf]

None do as much damage as Brig

[minor flame]

primal and leap

[balmy wolf]

For a reason

[minor flame]

heres the thing

[vale pond]

doesnt stop whip from being bad

[minor flame]

all of them offer way better utility than whip

Primal is used for repeated boops

Dva flying is literally dva flying

Ashe gets you a distance higher or further

[vale pond]

ashe boops herself and does more damage

[minor flame]

Pharah is a far away AOE boop

[vale pond]

90

[minor flame]

which is more effective than lucio boop most of the time

and lucio boop is aoe

[vale pond]

And has a tiny cd

[balmy wolf]

Yes

[minor flame]

which is arguably more useful than a situational range

[balmy wolf]

And because hers has less utility they increased the damage

Doing more damage would not help its utility

[minor flame]

Lucios boop can take short ranged threats further away from your teammates

and you can speedboost out

[vale pond]

lucio boop as unimaginable utility

Probably the best cc in the game

[minor flame]

Whipshot does dmg but youre also making it further away out of your range

[balmy wolf]

Brig boop can take short range threats and push tthem further away from your team mates so you can make space and threaten with damage

[vale pond]

aside from stuns and shit

[minor flame]

so you cant do follow up dmg

[vale pond]

how does brig follow up

[minor flame]

if you hit it sure

but you dont have speed for your allies

so something like

[balmy wolf]

Brig doesnt need to do follow up damage no support should be able to 1 shot

[minor flame]

genji blade

will still wipe you

[supple prism]

zen

[minor flame]

zen

[balmy wolf]

Ik

Zen and ana r broken too

[vale pond]

Ana sleep combo

[balmy wolf]

[minor flame]

its 70 dmg

[vale pond]

no they arent

[minor flame]

its a skillshot the same as hook

[balmy wolf]

Its 7 INSTANT damage

[minor flame]

except it doesnt do shit

compared

[balmy wolf]

And is way easier

Than zen

[vale pond]

Excuse me?

[supple prism]

its not

[minor flame]

zen projectiles are easy to hit

and does more dmg

overall

[vale pond]

zen orbs are easy

[balmy wolf]

Doing a brig 1 shot combo is way easier than zen

Lmao

[minor flame]

brig doesnt 1 shot

she cant 1shot anyone

[vale pond]

Brig doesnt have a 1 shot combo

[balmy wolf]

No but u want her to 1shot

[vale pond]

Its gone

[balmy wolf]

By buffing flail and bash

[minor flame]

i want her to have a better whipshot

not 1shot

[vale pond]

I said flail cd

not damage

and bash while damage is dissapointing I’d live with a cd buff

[minor flame]

bash needs a slight dmg increase

and whipshot just needs

anything

[vale pond]

Bash to 20 would be good

Whip needs cooldown

[balmy wolf]

Whats brig melee damage 30?

[vale pond]

35

[minor flame]

30-35

[vale pond]

which is bad

worse than everyone but moira

including mercy

[balmy wolf]

30/20/30/70/30

180 damage

[vale pond]

how do you flail after whipping

They’re gone by then

150 max

[balmy wolf]

How far r u booped

150 is still too much

[vale pond]

Way out of range

[minor flame]

150 is way too much wtf you mean

[vale pond]

Its really 120

[minor flame]

tracer can boop out

recall out

before you can even land the final blow

[vale pond]

You cant rely on getting the first hit in

[balmy wolf]

Tracer is the onky hero with recall

[vale pond]

the real combo is bash flail whip

[minor flame]

and tracer is the only hero with 150 hp

[balmy wolf]

U cant rely on hitting now but before u said just press m1 and hit

[vale pond]

Baby dva doesnt count

thats different

you cant compare flailing into the enemy tank line to hitting a combo on a tracer

[balmy wolf]

What

[vale pond]

wdym what

[balmy wolf]

Idgi

[vale pond]

stop with the fucking silver talk its pretty simple

[balmy wolf]

Which one is harder

[vale pond]

its easy to hit a tank line

Obviously so

[balmy wolf]

No

Its not

[vale pond]

its harder to hit a combo on the most mobile hero in the game

it really is

[minor flame]

yeah by the time you land the first hit

tracer just

blinks out

[balmy wolf]

In a 1v1 who wins tracer or brig

[minor flame]

tracer

brig if tracer is dumb af

[balmy wolf]

Lol

Is tracer just gonna snipe from far

[minor flame]

you realize blink moves past enemies