esports-discussion

[pearl stratus]

He's overaggro, bad positioned and lives on feast or famine.

And a lot of times Seoul dumps Zenyatta for RHJ to play Ana to keep him alive on over-extension.

Which means they lose discord orb

So they lose first picks.

[idle beacon]

i really should watch a game .. but i hate to watch goats so much

[pearl stratus]

I mean its not all goats.

Thats just what the retards whine.

Flat out. 100%.

Don't @ me.

Is it a good chunk of it? Yes.

But then you get teams that know how to play around it.

[limber pine]

control has been mostly non-goats, and some other maps have sections of other things

[idle beacon]

i just read a news that houston was like going NON goats, and as soon as it didn't work, they went goats aswell and the crowd booh'd ?

on anubis

[limber pine]

GOATs is the meta comp

like how dive was

[pearl stratus]

If you're talking vs. Spark, yes. But they also played insane smart goats on Anubis if you're good enough to tell the difference

[limber pine]

these things happened with dive, but nobody remembers it

[pearl stratus]

Their rotational positioning to split Spark into a 3 / 3 and collapse on their supports was actually gorgeous.

[idle beacon]

no not vs sparks

vs nyxl

[pearl stratus]

My biggest issue with Goats is so many people whine about it and they don't understand it even in a little bit.

They whine and cry how they want to see a complex comp where the whole team matters.

And.... thats Goats, whether you like it or not 😛

[idle beacon]

and again .. acting like alot are dumb

tf is wrong with you

[pearl stratus]

A lot are.

[idle beacon]

i understand goats

[pearl stratus]

Goats takes insanely more skill than something like Dive.

[idle beacon]

and hate it

[pearl stratus]

And people whined about Dive.

Its a meta where you can't get carried because you have a good tracer, or a good widow.

Unless your whole team is good, you're going to fail.

Imo part of the reason we see so many of the older teams doing...

Not so good.

[idle beacon]

ok, i don't hate it .. but it ain't much fun to look at

[pearl stratus]

See, I enjoy watching when that one person fucks up.

And you can see it.

[idle beacon]

2 compact builds fighting eachother .. first zarya spits the grav, wins

[forest raven]

People don't like goats because it's been around for like 8-9 months at this point, it's harder to spectate than dive, there's more focus on teamwork and ult combos than individual mechanical skill so there's generally less outwardly hype moments

[idle beacon]

i\ve watched the end of sparks vs

i dont remember

on nepal

[pearl stratus]

Like watching Houston for the first two games.

You just had to watch Linkzr.

[idle beacon]

sparks zarya and dva were so dominatin

[pearl stratus]

Wait for the overextension, he'd get jumped on, then Houston would get rolled without ults.

[idle beacon]

i think it was sparks

some female pink color crap

[forest raven]

Show me a team fight in goats that doesn't involve an ult or a lucky pick off before the actual fight

[pearl stratus]

On the same time though, show me a season 1 team that ran a Symmetra to instantly take point A on Hanamura.

[idle beacon]

so like, nyxl and vancouver goats will look like an anime fight of 2 huge titans with lotsa ults 😄

[pearl stratus]

Or a Quad DPS.

Actually we saw close to Quad on Junk A, as godawful as that map is.

[idle beacon]

s1 .. and reworked sym?

[pearl stratus]

I mean hell, right now one of to the playoff accessible teams literally can't run goats.

But they're still 2-1.

[limber pine]

I assume you mean Chengdu

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, since Ameng is a dumpster Rein 😛

[balmy wolf]

chengdu and guangzhou both kinda run unorthodox comps dont they

[pearl stratus]

Chengdu, Houston, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Shanghai.

Will all try to run non-Goats before defaulting to Goats

From what I've seen.

I'm sure there's other teams.

Paris defaults to 3:3, but honestly to be expected out of EU.

London defaults to.... I don't know what the fuck it is. Disabled Goats? Three Legged Goats.

I personally expected LAG to play more non-Goats than they have, since they were our original Mystery Heroes team.

But without Bischu in the line up and Roar being new I could see why sticking with Goats would make some sense.

Atlanta tries to run some weird comps sometimes.

But thats literally 50-50 on whether it works.

As long as they never try that Orissa Goat Variant again.

[swift moth]

bongoats

(orisa goats)

[pearl stratus]

It was so bad.

[swift moth]

houston also needs to be more commited to dps

[pearl stratus]

But they gave it a shot, so.

[swift moth]

they have some great dps players

[pearl stratus]

They need to play like they did versus Spark.

I think NYXL just crushed their spirit a bit.

[swift moth]

nyxl crushes everyone's spirit

[limber pine]

yeah they looked better committing to Jake, Danteh and Spree

[pearl stratus]

I called that so long ago too 😦

[limber pine]

no need for Linzker or coolmatt right now

[pearl stratus]

I felt very vindicated.

I love watching Linkzr, but he's just not a good Brig.

So when you need to rotate around its just poop.

Also Jakes been...

Really good?

Even pulling out a McCree and stuff.

[swift moth]

yeah

[pearl stratus]

Jakes on my list of most improved in the off-season honestly.

Not having to focus on Tracer he seems to have really buckled down on what he plays.

And it shows.

Spree as well.

[swift moth]

yeah

its a shame the new meta doesn't alow him to play the characters he is very good at

[pearl stratus]

Eh he's got the Pharah, Sombra, etc.

I'd argue he gets to play quite a few of them.

Soldier is just dead since 2017.

[swift moth]

^

[limber pine]

rip soldier

[pearl stratus]

But honestly he's a boring af hero.

So I don't care

He's Call of Duty Man.

[swift moth]

similar to moira there really isn't much pros can do with him

[pearl stratus]

Moira actually has been showing up more than I expected this season.

[swift moth]

he has a very low learning curve

moira is useful in goats

[pearl stratus]

I was -slightly- expecting some Ashe.

[swift moth]

which is why some teams bring her

[pearl stratus]

Then I remembered the league has good D'vas.

So Ashe could fuck right off.

[swift moth]

^

also pro widows can destroy ashe

[limber pine]

carpe played ashe in the london game I think

[pearl stratus]

Kind of crazy how the Matrix change doesn't seem to affect people like Meko/Space, etc.

[swift moth]

it's because they know how to manage it

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, my favorite though is people still say D'va is a low skill cap hero in Goats.

But post Matrix change? I'd argue against that.

There's -huge- gaps between good and great D'vas.

[swift moth]

at plat or gold she is a very low skill hero

at gm or owl she is super hard

[pearl stratus]

Everyone is at plat or gold, since you're just flailing around and not using the character well no matter what lol

[swift moth]

lmao true

[pearl stratus]

It's the same argument I have with Brigs.

[swift moth]

accept snipers

you can't use a sniper if you cant hit ur shots

[pearl stratus]

If Brig is so down syndrome easy, like most people say she is, how do you explain Zacharee?

Or Linkzr?

Are they so bad they can't figure out the dumb proof hero?

Or could it just be that even the mechanically less skilled hero still has a skill gap.

Because if you told me to pick a brig I'm picking Youngjin or Kyb.

Every time.

[swift moth]

brig is alright

when I play goats I usually go brig or moira

brig is kinda easy to play in my opinion

but then again I'm not playing at owl

level

[pearl stratus]

My arguments more at the OWL level there's not really an "easy" hero, since there's still very noticeable skill gaps between players.

If she was that easy the gap between them would be nearly non-existent.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus that's because people copy what others say so they don't have to take responsibility themselves

[swift moth]

but also some things you say with a grain of salt, obvuisly I'm not as good as any of the owl players but I can call some of them bad in comparison to the other players in the league

[reef plover]

I feel frustrated because I feel like I'm in the extreme minority because I enjoy S2. While Goats is a strong meta it isn't an instant win. Losses that I've seen are 40% outskilled. The other 60% of a teams loss seems to be when a team made a poor choice at a critical moment

[limber pine]

well sure

I like GOATs too

the only thing I don't like is seeing dps players play brig

[reef plover]

So much better than the oppsy-fix S1 Mercy crap which was awful to watch

Dps playing brig/zarya is so sad since I know what they're capable of

[swift moth]

you have players like surefour and carpe who are both amazing dps players stuck on zarya and it is kind of boring to watch

[reef plover]

I wish hunters were undefeated so people try something different

There 0 doubt in my mind that there are comps that can stomp goats

[pearl stratus]

I don't mind watching DPS on Brig, when they do weird stuff too.

Like I like watching Architect because he does Brig, and Ana sometimes. And its very interesting to see the differences.

[reef plover]

Some dps was playing ana during the weekend just fucking shit up, it was pretty amazing

[limber pine]

it's odd that they removed the flex designation from the OWl site, and we've seen more flexing than we've ever seen before.

[reef plover]

Weird flex but ok

[pearl stratus]

I love watching the D'vas going to dps for 1:4:1. You really see who fits and who doesn't.

Meko to Sombra, Spree to Pharah, etc

Hotba playing Tracer like a boss.

[reef plover]

Honestly I'm just sad that S2 has been so great in my eyes and slasher tweeted that shit this morning

[pearl stratus]

Eh its slasher.

Dudes 28 going on 43 with a hairline thats doing a Jordan-style fadeaway jumper, looking like a pedo.

[reef plover]

Lol

Thanks, that does make me feel better

I can give shroud a pass, man doesn't play ow

[pearl stratus]

As far as I'm ocncerned while I understand people getting bored of Goats we've had the most inclusive meta with multiple comps (even with one-sided usage) and have seen all the heroes.

[reef plover]

But seeing so many people blindly agree is </3

[pearl stratus]

I'd rather have this than 3 games a night of 4 maps of just Dive.

[reef plover]

And it's not 7 hero variety dive, it's literally +15 hero variety goats

[pearl stratus]

Visually Dive was better for a viewership, slightly. Except it just ended up breaking down into which team had a better Tracer, or a better Widow.

A lot of bad players/teams hid behind having a star.

[reef plover]

Yup

[pearl stratus]

Look at Philly.

Carpe is a god, right?

Sure.

[reef plover]

That's why I fucking love s2

[pearl stratus]

But look what happened when Boombox got sick.

Philly went to shit.

Suddenly when every teammate matters we're seeing a weird change in power dynamics.

[sharp kindle]

Dive is better imo, goats most of the time is running in, dying/winning a fight/ solo graving with zen popping ult, regrouping/staggering the d.va then a big ass ult fest on the final push and off to map 5

[reef plover]

@sharp kindle highly disagree but I get your point

[sharp kindle]

Ye

[reef plover]

Ye

[green stump]

@pearl stratus this season of owl has had more tense and crazy moments in the first two weeks than most of season 1

[karmic grotto]

^

[limber pine]

only 6 4-0's in two weeks of Season 2

10 4-0's in Season 1 with less games

matches are better and have more meaningful

also two 3-0's last year

none this year

[supple prism]

3-0 is gonna be rare

since every 2cp map has been going for several rounds

[reef plover]

Goats has made 2cp more enjoyable (although personally I always liked 2cp)
Also, the fact that they still have overtime bug in overwatch is pretty shitty

It gave NYXL a win week 1 when they should have gone to map 5

[pearl stratus]

Honestly we don't see a ton of Goats on 2CP. Maybe on one of the sub maps

But like... Busan we really only ever see Goats on the Temple portion. Not really in Base or Streets.

[reef plover]

It's higher ground. If I'm a defender and I can easily reach high ground goats is shit

There's a common theme if you look at what works vs. what chokes there are (+vertical ground advantage)

[balmy wolf]

floats or snoats depending on map

[trim shadow]

GoAtS AlL YeAr BaBy

baptiste has fucked the game

[pearl stratus]

Oh are people already crying about him?

Better get my amazon link ready.

https://www.amazon.com/Johnsons-Baby-Shampoo-More-Tears/dp/B000GCSUJU

Boom

Prepped for people crying about a new hero before its released.

I'm betting most people will cry over the ult which can be destroyed, actually.

However, every other buff is pretty noticeable. Even soldiers buff which doesn't look like one is relatively significant.

[bright stone]

hopefully baptiste brings back pirate ship

in owl

[pearl stratus]

All depends on the Drones height for Imm. Field.

It's a very counterable ult. Just flying Bongos.

The biggest change, that most people will probably underestimate reading the list, is the knockback changes/fixes.

Also the hammond buff is pretty huge.

[vagrant niche]

oof

i think this is going to create something worse than Goats

immortality broken af

just imagine 2cp

[pearl stratus]

Just kill the drone.

4head.

[analog lark]

It's an ability, not an ult

[balmy wolf]

it has a good cooldown

[pearl stratus]

I think most people are just reading the patch notes

And not realizing you can destroy the drone attached to immortality.

[analog lark]

The ult is the damage amp field

[pearl stratus]

I'm not saying it makes Immortality not good, but that its not just plug and play.

[vagrant niche]

@pearl stratus Kill the drone? wtf a big fat tank is going to protect that and take all the shots for it

for free

[analog lark]

Yep, but a good baptiste would plop that drone where it wouldn't be killed

[pearl stratus]

Yeah. Cause Bongo lives so long.

[analog lark]

It's too high up to reliably tank

[vagrant niche]

Mei wall?

i dunno, a rein shield

[analog lark]

Doesn't it just peek over rein's barrier

[vagrant niche]

doesn't seem like that bad

[pearl stratus]

It's about 3 feet taller than a Winston.

[limber pine]

I think it's going to be used more offensively

[pearl stratus]

From its video.

[limber pine]

not really defensively

[vagrant niche]

this thing is going to be more resident sleeper cause now we know for sure nothing will die

people complained about goats and this is going to be worse

[analog lark]

Yep

Nothing will die

Literally

[limber pine]

his grenades don't heal himself.

and his ult is useless in a GOATS comp

[pearl stratus]

Also the fact people think the drone won't die makes me feel platchat as all fuck.

[analog lark]

I know the drone can die and is easy to kill

[vagrant niche]

can D.Va eat the field?

[limber pine]

it also needs LoS

so a barrier can kinda block it

[pearl stratus]

LoS, relatively small radius, 9 second duration.

And doesn't stop attacks, just nullifies.

And if you notice the changes to displacement via boop and stuff.

You can also just displace the team out of it.

[limber pine]

that's why I think it'll be used offensively for deadeyes and visors and stuff

[pearl stratus]

I think it'll be used for Goat counters.

[limber pine]

with his ult

[pearl stratus]

Grav Bomb?

Boop.

Fuck your Grav Bomb

While playing full dps.

Since Jeff mentioned it dying to burst dps (I.E. D'va Bomb) will still apply to the bomb.

[vagrant niche]

so can she eat the field as it's launching?

[pearl stratus]

Because they're at the same timeline.

[vagrant niche]

or no?

[pearl stratus]

Havent' tested.

Theoretically he throws it to the ground.

So I wouldn't be surprised if she could.

[vagrant niche]

Baptiste looks like a character straight out of fortnite

[pearl stratus]

There's also no one he'd replace in Goats right now.

My big question is...

Widow + Matrix.

That's theoretically 500 damage headshots.

[vagrant niche]

the ult doesn't last that long honestly

[pearl stratus]

~10 seconds.

[vagrant niche]

and widow will kind of have to like

[pearl stratus]

That's 4 shots.

[vagrant niche]

force to move somewhere

Symetra ult can shut down that easily

[pearl stratus]

Sym play rates says that while it's true, its also unlikely.

[trim shadow]

@pearl stratus tbh baptiste has a weak ult

Its not game breaking like i predicted

But it could be used in interesting ways

[pearl stratus]

It's pretty huge all said and done. And it does something that no other ults do.

It's actually not a horrible counter to Barrier and Trans.

Which no other ult even touches.

[trim shadow]

Before i saw it in game i was like “well hes a glorified anan”

Ana*

[pearl stratus]

Outpacing Trans healing happens now with focus fire without a doubling amp.

With it I could see coordinated groups getting 2-3 picks even with Trans running.

[trim shadow]

Ana and baptiste will be deadly

[pearl stratus]

For instance a Reinhardt would kill any 200 HP hero during Trans through Matrix with Firestrike (which ignores shields)

[trim shadow]

Imagine jjonak on baptiste

Or boombox

Bastion is gonna be a absolute monster

[vagrant niche]

baptipse kit is reliant on team work to get value

that wont be good on ladder

[trim shadow]

And he gets ult charge fast

[pearl stratus]

Ashe, Genji, Hanzo, Junkrat, McCree, Pharah, Soldier, Sombra, Symmetra, Ana, Lucio, Mercy, Moira.

All can be one shot with just a Matrix + Firestrike.

Regardless of Zen Ult.

[trim shadow]

The question is

If rein charges through it

[pearl stratus]

No.

[trim shadow]

Does it buff his damagep

[pearl stratus]

Reins not a projectile.

It's specifically worded to JUST projectiles.

So Rein swing, Brig swings, etc.

Don't do anything.

[trim shadow]

It would be funny if blizzard decided to troll

[pearl stratus]

Zarya beam also would not be buffed.

Just right click.

[vagrant niche]

Orisa is the only tank i see greatly benefiting from Baptise

[trim shadow]

He jumps pretty high

[pearl stratus]

I literally just told you why Rein would. 200 damage burst that ignores shields > Orissa.

[trim shadow]

Orisa is probably the only tank to benefit now that i look at it

Probably wont change goats

[vagrant niche]

how are you going to have fire strike when D.Va eats it?

also the fire strike has to go through the baptise ultimate, that's pretty wack

[pearl stratus]

It's a giant rectangle you place.

[vagrant niche]

yes but people going to move out of the way, you only going to catch people off guard etc

it's not hard to avoid fire strike

unless he's on your face

[pearl stratus]

... Do you have Reins that are that dumb in plat?

Jesus.

[vagrant niche]

plats don't have Rein

[trim shadow]

Theres other big abilities it can buff

[vagrant niche]

nobody plays tanks

at a good level

[pearl stratus]

Because I can tag people with Firestrike really reliably.

And I'm not a Rein main at all.

[vagrant niche]

from what range?

[pearl stratus]

Short to mid. I'm not going to nail a Firestrike on a Pharah consistently.

But Short to Mid is pretty easy.

[trim shadow]

Baptiste could potentionally like i said take the role of Zen on goats

[pearl stratus]

Just standard leading.

Losing discord is too important.

Look how much it screws Seoul when they lose Zen.

[trim shadow]

Lucio is to important

And brig has inspire

[pearl stratus]

Discord is your first pick in 90% of situations.

[spice sierra]

ARE GOATS DEAD?

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME YES

[vagrant niche]

nope

[trim shadow]

No

Its gunna get worse

[vagrant niche]

yes, going to be a worse meta than goats

[spice sierra]

I fucking hate blizzard

[trim shadow]

Itll either be a new form of goats

[pearl stratus]

Oof, I'mma leave this plat chat alone for a bit.

Good luck with your projections.

[vagrant niche]

lol

i'm done

it's fine

[trim shadow]

Its litterally a support with decent damage and two ults

[limber pine]

i don't think he's going to replace anybody in goats

he does some things that the other don't

[trim shadow]

Hell make a new form of goats

[limber pine]

and vice versa

yeah maybe

[trim shadow]

I can see pirate ship being a little better

But with the way he can spam his heal nade and his self heal

[limber pine]

yeah

[pearl stratus]

Both of the abilities have a VERY large cooldown though, in terms of abilities.

[trim shadow]

Maybe ana baptiste and zen

[pearl stratus]

I think he's going to make 1:3:2 a lot more interesting, personally.

[trim shadow]

With orisa dva and wreckingball

[pearl stratus]

From what I saw on Seagull the self heal is 15 seconds/5 dur.

The immo field is 20ish.

Yeah.

Self heal is 15s/5s, Immo Drone is 20 seconds.

[limber pine]

it'll be interesting to see where he fits

[pearl stratus]

I mean his main fire is going to be a rip for 90% of players.

[limber pine]

definitely not in a single tank comp

[pearl stratus]

Three round burst with kick.

[trim shadow]

Hes either main support or off support

Im gonna say more off support

[pearl stratus]

Most people won't land shit for a long time lol

[vagrant niche]

he's the new Moira

the new dps healer that wont heal

[trim shadow]

He has utillity unlike moira

[vagrant niche]

i'm saying that people are going to play him as the dps role rather than heal

instead of heals that dps

the Moira buffs are pretty big

[trim shadow]

I was thinking that his dps was amazing

And then i seen how it hits other heros

Its about the same as moira

[pearl stratus]

Drone holds your health on deployment unless you get healed. Thats rough.

[trim shadow]

So wait his drone has the same health as baptiste when deployed?

[pearl stratus]

No so like.. say your Rein is at 40 health when you deploy it. Thats what gets protected.

The 40 health.

Also Hammond fucks up drone hard.

Drone has about.. 100-150 health from what I can tell.

[limber pine]

250 i think

[pearl stratus]

It's hard to tell via stream lol

Just watching Seagull play.

And it is higher than a Rein Shield, btw.

[limber pine]

yeah I can't verify

[trim shadow]

Baptiste probably just kicked ana out of the meta

[limber pine]

eh

like I said, i think he brings a unique twist on things

nano still really good and there's nothing like anti heal in the game

he's more mid range cuz his grenades arc

[pearl stratus]

Also the way his drone works is interesting.

From everything I can see you almost -have- to use it preemptively.

Or it just delays death.

Seagull deployed it when he was low health, and still took damage for anything ABOVE when he deployed the drone.

So when the drone ended he was still at the 40ish HP he started at.

I'll need to test it when I get home.

[limber pine]

on the ptr

[pearl stratus]

If so thats an interesting balance to it as well, because its a proactive ability, not reactive.

[limber pine]

yup

[ruby pendant]

Baptiste is pretty cool, can't wait to see him OWL

[jagged crater]

how much do greandes reduce healing?

[balmy wolf]

https://twitter.com/benfischersbj/status/1100504972750438400?s=21

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[woven hill]

So, will OWL run on the patch we have now, or will it update halfway through?

[limber pine]

each stage will be played on a single patch

so stage 1 will be on the patch they are on throughout the stage

then devs will pick a patch for all of stage 2 to be on

maybe the PTR one, maybe the live one

depends on timing

[slow walrus]

I think it'll probably be the PTR one

it seems ridiculous to delay the owl release of a new hero by like 2 months

I would appreciate it actually if they didn't give baptist a whole lot of time on live before he's on owl

so that we see a bunch of weird stuff and experiments

[limber pine]

Geoff just said on KarQ's stream that there are still things that they want to do on the PTR.

so they may not have time to push to stage 2

[slow walrus]

not a fan of that

[limber pine]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pearl stratus]

Rushing shit is worse.

[slow walrus]

blizzard never rushes anything

I'm not saying they should rush it, just maybe should have planned the hero release better to coincide with being ready for stage 2

as it is I think they released him just as owl was becoming normal to see again to keep up hype around ow

[pearl stratus]

It's not just a hero release though.

It's a hero release, a ton of random fixes, and buffs and nerfs on about half the roster.

[limber pine]

yeah the list is extensive

[pearl stratus]

And if they're doing more to it, which they tend to do, with a PTR Part 2.

It's even more.

[slow walrus]

I saw it. It'll just be annoying if we have to wait till stage 3 to see anything new

frustrating

[pearl stratus]

Even Stage 2 will be different.

The PEMDAS change will be in for Stage 2 if nothing else.

Which makes a bigger difference than most people think.

@limber pine Btw - Full confirmation that the drone can be hacked too.

[limber pine]

interesting

seems good, but with only 250 HP it seems better to just focus it

[pearl stratus]

I'm more just thinking EMP.

[limber pine]

tru

[pearl stratus]

I don't mind the drone overall. I think it should take a little bit longer to deploy, and have a bit less health though (drop to 200, same as Bongos)

But I also want to test LoS on the Drone, but its bugged on the PTR right now and going through walls.

Because I want to know if a good Winston bubble could lock people away from the drone, for instance.

[limber pine]

it looks to my untrained eye that it would be just above

[pearl stratus]

Even not you could drop it like an umbrella.

So you get your area of / \ but you drop the bubble to cut off half the area by blocking LoS.

Honestly I just want to see a Matrix Pine or Linkzr.

Even against Goats.

597 headshots btw.

600 if they're not armored 😛

[limber pine]

start chunking Sound Barrier targets

[pearl stratus]

Also the damage buff on Soldier, with Matrix, actually makes him potentially interesting with Visor.

Since you'd be looking at 40 (37) damage shots.

At what.. 9 shots/s you're looking at a potential of 360 dps for the duration of visor.

[limber pine]

yup

imagine if you nano visor too

[pearl stratus]

Yeah though I wouldn't want to sink 3 ults into pro play, but for ladder. Why the fuck not lol

[limber pine]

yeah there's no reason to

amp field will be a single combo ult

likely with visor or deadeye

[pearl stratus]

...

What if you did a Ground Pharah Barrage with Immo up + Matrix?

If it applies to ults 80 damage per rocket. 30 rockets per second.

3 seconds.

Oh, only 7200 potential damage. That's not that bad.

You'd need the Immo + Zarya shield though

[woven hill]

What happens in Mei throws her ultimate through Baptiste's?

[fathom acorn]

Baptiste and these updates look like the end of goats

Or at least the end of it being an instawin comp

[ruby pendant]

not sure about that

think it's too soon to say how he'll impact overwatch.

[fathom acorn]

True

But I’m excited

[trim shadow]

Each stage is played on a different patch?

Ass

[upper niche]

Yeah, they dont patch during a stage - once it's started it's run out with that same patch.

Otherwise teams have to practice changes while competing on old change sets.

[trim shadow]

Fair

But not to the communitu

Community*

[trim shadow]

Little to almost no impact

Hammond can pile driver

Sombra can hack

His immortality

Forgot to say that first

As like a sleeper

oh shit baptiste

We could see some crazy ass 2 tanks 4 supports

[upper niche]

Baptiste will probably come out on either maps that have a very narrow choke that's defended directly behind, or on maps where there's a long, open field before an attack, but not in-between.

ie, if the enemy can push past the amplification matrix thingamajig, it won't be of much use, or where the team comp is close combat.

oh yikes, just considered a Junkrat behind that thing.

Hanamura.

Numbani, Volskaya.

Anubis.

[sand dirge]

is anyone else having trouble buying the all-access pass?

[warm quartz]

@sand dirge Only answer I have for that is: If its a prepaid card Twitch doesnt like it much

[sand dirge]

my bank thought twitch was fraudulent and froze the mf

all good now

[ruby pendant]

@cedar drum just got 31 tokens

seemed to be delayed

[cedar drum]

@ruby pendant I got my answer

They were giving tokens to ineligible people week 1 accidentally

They fixed it.

No more tokes for ya boy, it soeks.

Got 63 useless tokens

[pearl stratus]

https://twitter.com/ChengduHunters/status/1100477913151954945

Chengdu Hunters (@ChengduHunters)

@PlayOverwatch After weighing the pros and cons, we're thinking Baptiste will fit nicely into our line-up...

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[ruby pendant]

field still has like 150-250 hp right?

@cedar drum makes sense, thanks for the info.

[humble falcon]

^New gameplay?

[trim shadow]

Im going through the buffs and nerfs on baptistes patch

and so far it looks decent

Then you get to mcree

Lucio is now a hulking man of brazilian sexyness

And everyone can get booped off the map

[hidden vault]

Dive seems to be the counter to this

Dive baptiste

While he uses this

Ult

[supple prism]

Fusions is playing this week

[rose sail]

So when will baptiste get released?

[upper niche]

It's generally 2 weeks, but sometimes 3 weeks until heroes go live after appearing on PTR.

Then another 2 weeks until they're available in competitive.

I would expect him to be available in OWL stage 2 - they need a meta shift to help with the negative press Goats/3-3 is getting, and this will at least provide a good chance at that happening, even if that means it opens up new plays being attempted.

[rose sail]

Alright

Ty

[hidden vault]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuFExf7Ajmt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1d7yqvmelar2j

[hidden osprey]

!schedule

[somber yew]

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[pearl stratus]

DPS players are just mad because even when goats ends they just do lower, shittier damage.

When they could just be strong russian bear woman.

[limber pine]

Who doesn't want to be strong russian bear woman?

[pearl stratus]

Apparently a bunch of shit dps.

I want to do 15k damage a round! Says the Tracer.

I want to do 40k damage a round, says Zarya.

I want to do 30k damage a round says Jjonak, proving DPS are useless fuck boys.

[limber pine]

Is Baptiste going to replace a support or is a dps going to play him like Brigitte

i honestly think he's going to be a 3rd dps

*played by a dps

[pearl stratus]

His damage is so-so but he'd honestly be better played by a DPS in most situations I could see.

Long cooldowns on abilities means you're spending your time mostly shooting gun/grenades.

I played him a few hours last night. As time went on I still felt he was really good, but not insane. It was funny having a Widow one shot a Roadhog though.

[limber pine]

Do you think it'll get a nerf? or it's fairly balance?

[pearl stratus]

His ult I think is fine, its a 10 second duration and the restriction to projectiles only does mean you have a more strict roster on who its useful for and in what amounts.

Also while its funny to get 600 headshot damage from widow thats so situational and still only 240 damage against a shield.. And I see no situation where you don't have some form of shield/matrix.

It would be funny against a dive comp though, because a Widow could actually eviscerate both tanks before the dive completed.

I'm still torn on the Imm. Field. I think removing its extra i-frames would be enough to balance it out.

I understand what Blizzard was doing - making it so if a d'va bomb counted the kill on the drone first everyone doesn't still die from it dropping.

But thats where a lot of the bs comes in, because you still have a little bit of the immortality after the drone is destroyed. it's not instant.

[trim shadow]

Time to clear the air

Valiant will not get a win for the rest of their stage

Ohh i didnt see outlaws

I take that back

@pearl stratus if your talking about baptiste’s ult you can deploy it almost 10 meters away from him

So it could enable snowball teamcomps

[sharp kindle]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Philly lost to washington lmao

[trim shadow]

It looks like without boombox philly is just relying on carpe to carry

[sharp kindle]

^

[trim shadow]

And wizard is going to exploit that weakness

[balmy wolf]

just wondering

why was colorhex suspended

[limber pine]

https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/22823906/2019-player-discipline-tracker

account boosting

[trim shadow]

I thought it was account sharing? Or is that basically the same thingo

[limber pine]

not sure

I can only tell you what the tracker says

[pearl stratus]

@limber pine So after twoish hours of scrims last night the new ptr can be summed up in one word.

Sombra.

[supple gate]

We are going to be starting an overwatch team, it will be consisted of 3 groups:

1. Support leader, captain and recruits
2. DPS leader, captain and recruits
3. Tank leader, captain and recruits

Feel free to message me or @supple gate to join the team and try outs will be held every day at 5:00 AM GMT, or another time if arranged.

[pearl stratus]

@limber pine We tried a Sombra Goats vs. Baptiste Goats with Baptiste replacing the Brig, then one with him replacing the Zen. Didn't go well.

He really doesn't fit. Did better as a brig replacement

[green stump]

Called that

[pearl stratus]

Sombra just completely ruins him.

Can't afford the trans lost, honestly.

[green stump]

People are trying to make him become the best big things for goats.. for the dumbest reasons it's unbelievable

So many people hate goats, they want blizzard to look like complete morons yet none of these people even understands how the goats comp even works, but boy oh boy can they complain about it

[pearl stratus]

Also the new math for Zarya beam means losing the Brig actually hurts now. Previously you could honestly be hit or miss and drop her for Ana.

But that additional 20% damage reduction is noticeable as hell now.

[green stump]

That's good, zarya needed they nerf though

I've been in over 20 conversations alone today explaining why their mad theories that goats is even stronger now is dumb.... Half of them the same argument... That owl players will just invulnerable the grav bomb and now goats 'meta'is even stronger.. holy crap

[pearl stratus]

Grav bomb barely kills anyone as is now.

And you'll still have to Trans it.

So it changes nothing.

[trim shadow]

@pearl stratus baptiste's nade heal is slightly stronger then inspire

[pearl stratus]

It's 50 healing, does fire faster but removes your contribution to damage or CC.

Whereas Brig is entirely passive, and has the highest burst heal in the game.

Comparing the two is flat out retarded.

[trim shadow]

his primary fire does a good amount of damage to squishys

i dont know what it will do to armor

but ive seen how it works againts other dps and supports

[pearl stratus]

22 damage, down 3.

He won't replace anyone in Goats that I can see.

[trim shadow]

i kinda figured when i looked at his kit saw some mythbusters and looked at how sombra and wrecking ball with affect his playstyle

his immortality will be good in like small rooms

[pearl stratus]

We actually ran a Roadhog against him for a bit.

[trim shadow]

and hiding it being corners

[pearl stratus]

Immo doesn't do shit if you're knocked the fuck out of it lol

[trim shadow]

dva can still bomb the field

[pearl stratus]

But in the end Sombra was just the easier run.

[trim shadow]

but youll get knocked to africa out of it

[pearl stratus]

You'll still LoS the D'va, even with Immo.

Because you'll leave the Immo at 40 health if you don't.

All Immo does is stop you from going below 40HP, it doesn't keep you full. It's why it doesn't change a grav bomb scenario.

Because a team leaving a grav bomb with everyone at 40 health is still just as wiped.

New Orissa feels a lot better though, I'll give them that. Two small QoL's and I don't hate her nearly as much.

[trim shadow]

you guys should try ana baptiste and zen as the support line

[pearl stratus]

We actually found Mercy Baptiste as an interesting duo support comp.

Because the Mercy Boost works through Matrix from what we could tell.

So one of our bunker comps did Bastion, Mercy, Matrix.

Healing was a bit low though, so if the bunker broke it took a hit. Baptiste healing output is... eh

[trim shadow]

i just saw jjonak on baptiste and he looked godly

[pearl stratus]

I watched him a little bit, but it was too quick play to make a judgment.

It's one of the big lies of the universe that quick play is for practice, since the comps aren't even close to serious.

And now with PTR being arcade only we won't get a good read outside of scrims.

[trim shadow]

it looked a dva and rein and i think i saw a zarya

i wonder what jayne thinks

hes probably hur dur during

jayne is gonna be that coach thatll play baptiste in interesting ways

[pearl stratus]

Eh he's honestly not smart enough imo.

[trim shadow]

hang on you can kill someone in trans during baptiste amplification field?

[pearl stratus]

You can kill people in trans WITHOUT it.

So of course you can during.

[trim shadow]

dude got one shot tho

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, trans only does high hps. You can outpace or one shot it.

Widows kill people in Trans currently.

@green stump I forgot to check but I think you can also do a full wall into the drone and remove all LoS.

[slow walrus]

any amount of burst will kill trance, you could immo at the right time to keep burst damage from killing everyone during trans

to me as a combo/with/around trance is the only really decent usage of his ult

you could technically do lucio ult too

but

[trim shadow]

i feel bad for ashe

shes going down the rabbit hole

[pearl stratus]

I don't. She pairs into Baptiste way too well. Mandates a D'va.

Since her Dynamite gets Matrix bonus.

[trim shadow]

ashe herself is meh at most

its great that she can do normal damage against armor with her dynamite

[pearl stratus]

So you end up with this 70-140 damage explosion with the dot.

[slow walrus]

the thing about baptiste and why everyone hates him is bc he doesn't change the meta. But this is actually blizzard learning from their mistakes, since they introduced brig to get rid of dive and she fucked the entire game over

if they introduced a hero that was powerful enough to remove goats meta, we'd have another just as oppresive meta if not more oppressive

[trim shadow]

hes not the hero we need or he wont bring the change we need

maybe echo will

who knows but a overhaul needs to happen

[pearl stratus]

He brings enough I think we'll see a few new anti-goats comps, and a bunker or two.

[slow walrus]

do we need him? no. Is he cool as hell and a great character design for the 90+% of the population of ow that doesn't play goats? Yes

[trim shadow]

his kit is cool

i love his gun

but hes a ugly boi

[slow walrus]

He's still viable in fewer circumstances than goats

wtf he's a chad lmao handsome af

[trim shadow]

i was thinking he was gonna have pink hair

but he came as a 30 year old

or he was gonna keep his wakadan dreads

[pearl stratus]

Mfw this tweet chain is my favorite thing:

https://twitter.com/AskJayne/status/1100658422037438464

Jayne (@AskJayne)

@MonteCristo Yes, bronze-gold coaching is my most successful content by far.

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https://twitter.com/uNKOE/status/1100659653455667200

Benjamin Chevasson (@uNKOE)

@MonteCristo @AskJayne Thats why he is coaching DallasFuel players.

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[slow walrus]

lmfao

at least it's unkoe that said it

[trim shadow]

oof that burn

[slow walrus]

unsure why we assumed pink hair but I like the symbolic hair change after he leaves talon

represents a bit of a new identity

but that's outside of esports discussion

[trim shadow]

the fuel are the team everyones wants todo good

but there the party team

the frat house almost

i think jayne was trolling but he said aero would a flip a coin each match before they go into the arena one side was throwing one side was winning and whichever one it lands on dictates there performance

[balmy wolf]

what is the worst overwatch leage team

[trim shadow]

we rlly wont know until we get deep into the season

[balmy wolf]

im new to this

[slow walrus]

rn valiant is 0-3 but in the running for shit tier is boston and washington justice

[trim shadow]

on paper you could just call out chengdu washington and houston

on standings you can call out valiant

but meta dictates whos good or bad

philly and london are the best dps centrict teams while paris is more tank and support heavy

[slow walrus]

it's hard because every team doesn't fight every team, so some teams have strength of schedule where they go against easier teams.

[balmy wolf]

i thought the shanghai dragons where the worst

[trim shadow]

thats a memeeee

pretty much all of last years dragons were dropped

coaches to i think

so the team is completely new

[slow walrus]

they won a game finally so not shit tier

just like on par/average so far

[trim shadow]

along with a almost world class tank player in gamsu

[slow walrus]

what about fusionnnns

rein is legendary

[trim shadow]

you could throw shanghai into the mid pack

ive only seen 2 games of fusions so far and he can definetly make a push for world star status but we will have to see how fairs for the seasons IF boston gave him a real contract

[pearl stratus]

He's playing this week, so it looks like they did.

Fusions won't shine either way till Boston learns that there's a hero named Sombra.

And how she works.

People will just keep playing Sombra into them till they're not stupid about it.

[slow walrus]

imo there should be more counterplay to emp

for how powerful it is

only counterplay comes from ridiculous game sense and awareness to stun her or reactively trance

[balmy wolf]

what do you guys think of the Atlanta Reign i mostly only watch them because of dafran but how high would you guys rate them

[slow walrus]

1 ult to kill a whole goats comp vs. the normal 2 or 3 tank ults

ATL is pretty good so far, I'd rate above avg but not good

not great I mean

so like top 10 teams

[balmy wolf]

cool

[trim shadow]

atlanta is like 5th

for best teams

[balmy wolf]

well im out guys gotta go take my dog for a walk

[trim shadow]

its
1.nyxl
2.vancouver
3.paris
4.HZS
5. atlanta

[slow walrus]

spark lost to houston

not sure about that one

[pearl stratus]

I mean there's also just positioning

You see the Goats teams that are too stuck in their ways stay too pack for a Sombra.

[slow walrus]

I agree that nyxl paris vancouver are strong but shock is up there too with a very strong roster

[pearl stratus]

You don't get away with that against teams like Vancouver/NYXL, etc.

They'll minimize her impact by spacing on maps where they can, especially since there's no D'va bomb to pair into things.

[slow walrus]

shock's games against vancouver and against glad were close as hell and that's 2 tough opponents

I maintain that they're a top 5 team at least

also can I point out that chengdu is not completely shit tier right now but they probably will be once people get a hang of their hammond comp

[pearl stratus]

They play solid for being two players down.

[trim shadow]

Im betting that the sparck wil rebound from@the shennagins that happened with the spitfire and houston

I think something mustve been going in the team house probably coaching issues and maybe miscommunication

And appernalty chengdu is missing a tank player i think

So maybe once he gets there well see chengdu hit there strides

[pearl stratus]

Tank and DPS.

[trim shadow]

I thought yangxialong and jiqiren

I thought yang was a main support

[pearl stratus]

Yang is a Hitscan dps. He was Leave's partner.

[trim shadow]

Also I just realized london has a small roster

What does krillin play?

[limber pine]

support

[pearl stratus]

@limber pine One thing I forgot to mention - new D'va double boost means you can do map long bombs.

[limber pine]

yeah I just saw a gif of that

[pearl stratus]

Yeah that reminded me of it. Our OT person was messing bombs up all night because of it.

It was hilarious.

He'd just overshoot into a wall etc.

[limber pine]

so teams need to learn sombra

if they aren't already

[pearl stratus]

Basically.

EMP even removes Baptiste ult.

[limber pine]

nice

[trim shadow]

so sombra is getting the attention she desereved when she was launched

since shes almost uncounterable

[pearl stratus]

She's plenty counterable, just less so by your contenders influxed teams I would say.

There's benefits and downsides to coming from Contenders to these new teams

If you're NA/EU Contenders all you played was Goats. So you know it, you're good at it.

But because of it, you never saw a lot of heroes and your sense when dealing with them is dulled to shit.

I love Jeff crushing peoples role queue dreams.

[trim shadow]

ladder will just get harder with baptiste running around he doesnt have a too high learning curve

just be able to track have positional awarness and know how to use the immortality

[tawny sigil]

positionnal awareness is not a thing people have

also more hitscan...

why is everyone hitscan

they want to make cs go?

havent released a projectile hero since orisa

kinda shows to me that devs dont know how to balance anymore

[limber pine]

what's wrong with hitscan

[tawny sigil]

there is shit ton of it

its like they put too much pepper in their dish and they're trying to fix it by adding more water...

what happens, your dish taste like shit

so, dont want to hitscan?... well play the shit hero that got phased out due to failed balancement attempt

just missing 1 tank hitscan and you can have an entire hitscan 2-2-2 comp

that's what its gonna turn into

hitscan tank with a shield skill

its gonna happen... they hate having to balance the game, they want it to be CS GO now

[trim shadow]

looks like the game is becoming more tf2 then anything

[tawny sigil]

cant tell never played that

[trim shadow]

the recent patch is dishing alot of buffs but some are not gonna be the buffs the games need

like give soldier 20 dps on his primary

having damage boost applied as it leaves instead of on hit

nerfing beam attacks

[tawny sigil]

x2 damage

put that wall down... have widow body shot every 200hp characters

1 shot every tank from full hp

how long does it last?

[trim shadow]

10 seconds if your talking about baptiste ult

[tawny sigil]

yea

[trim shadow]

pirate ship got a big buff

bastion can just hold lmb and win a teamfight

[tawny sigil]

its a "everyone dies or hide" ult for 10 second

i dont know man, i dont think the dev fully understand how to balance their game...

probably dont even play their own game anymore

[trim shadow]

im covinced jeff doesnt know what balance is or whats strong

[tawny sigil]

well having been an indie dev for so long... you cant play your own game, its just not fun, you cant discover anything

not sure how that affect games with a bigger team

or the director

director should know everything

[ruby pendant]

Overwatch devs should know what's going on with the game they created, lol. If anything they may be average players in skill, but they should have a strong understanding of how they want Overwatch to be and played like some coaches/casters.

[tawny sigil]

well reality of it is

they dont have 40hours a week to play the game

they probably played a lot early on, but after 3 years they're probably sick of it

[limber pine]

That’s a lot of assumptions

[tawny sigil]

it is but i mean... they have a team, there is no way everyone still care about the project

[limber pine]

More assumptions

[tawny sigil]

to assum everyone still care about it... is assumption

[limber pine]

And I don’t really see your point

[tawny sigil]

to say the chance that a lot of people lost interest after 3 years is extremly likely

[limber pine]

And?

What does that mean?

[tawny sigil]

quality will degrade over time that's just a fact of life

[limber pine]

And?

I still don’t really see your point.

[tawny sigil]

hence why balance will be less and less coherent as time goes on

[limber pine]

That’s really only an opinion based on nothing

[tawny sigil]

lol ok

every game goes on forever and make sense till the end of time

that's a 0% occurence

[limber pine]

I’ve both been to Blizzard HQ and interviewed devs (incl. Jeff at Blizzcon) and can unequivocally state that their passion is still bright

That’s not the point

You’re implying that the game is getting worse because devs don’t care

And that’s 100% wrong

[tawny sigil]

well they are definitely being less involved

[limber pine]

Prove that

Source that

[tawny sigil]

also its known that game dev's contract have something stating they will not show disinterest in the project.

so your statement about interviewing them... kinda doesnt matter

they are forced by contract to be interested

[limber pine]

You’re ignoring my question

[tawny sigil]

people were leaving company constantly

hence why they hire new people

they have the hiring ad on the blizzard app for weeks

meaning people have left and they need new people

[limber pine]

That’s not what we’re talking about

[tawny sigil]

they removed it after activision's investor calls

[limber pine]

You know what, I’m not going to bother

[tawny sigil]

clearly dont have critical thinking

[green stump]

Lol i know what you mean @limber pine

People still haven't figured out what this patch actually does yet

[tawny sigil]

funny how he ask for proof of what im saying and as soon as i point one out... fucking gets out of the argument claiming its pointless

[green stump]

You didn't point anything out though but sure?

[tawny sigil]

pointing out the fact that they were hiring

meaning people left

[upper niche]

Ahh, American employment laws 😉

[green stump]

.. and?

[tawny sigil]

meaning people lost interest

[green stump]

?? Just jobs like that are contract based

Actually, a lot of people do that

That doesn't mean they 'lost interest' or anything

[tawny sigil]

if they hire again that mean they refused to renew

[green stump]

?? No you can choose that yourself

[upper niche]

I found it pretty hilarious that the job they knocked me back for (despite IMO my offer being on the low side), the person they did end up hiring got cut in the recent round 😄

[green stump]

Contract employees can choose to not renew it

[tawny sigil]

thats what i said

i chose not to

[green stump]

But not because they lost interest

It's because they want to move up instead

[tawny sigil]

well not all of them

some have better opportunity

[green stump]

There are a huge number of reasons.. like massive

[tawny sigil]

some get out cause activision is a freaking train wreck right now

[green stump]

Where are you hearing this from?

[tawny sigil]

lol

look at the stock

50% down in 6 months

[green stump]

Where are you hearing this from

[tawny sigil]

is a complet train wreck

are you serious?

[green stump]

Who told you this?

[tawny sigil]

LOOK AT THE STOCK

[upper niche]

NASDAQ:ATVI

[green stump]

... okay but that does that every year

[tawny sigil]

do i need to tell you how to search for stock market?

[green stump]

That's normal

[tawny sigil]

no

[green stump]

Yes

[tawny sigil]

no

you have no idea what you are talking about

[green stump]

The gaming market in stock drops at the first quarter of every year

Every year

[upper niche]

$83.39 in October->42.08 today.

[tawny sigil]

50% is a once every 10-20 years occurence

[green stump]

No it's actually very common

[upper niche]

[Citation needed]

[tawny sigil]

if you look at ALL of activision's past i think it ONLY happen once before

[green stump]

@upper niche look it up

[tawny sigil]

lol he did just look it up

[green stump]

Even Nintendo has that happen to them and they had a baller year

Capcom got company of the year, same thing

[tawny sigil]

those are all empty statement

[upper niche]

There were small observed dips in 2016, 2017 and 2018 of at most 15%.

[green stump]

But yours aren't?

[tawny sigil]

50% is EXTREME

[green stump]

You don't even know contact work

50% is nothing

[tawny sigil]

its is not normal

[green stump]

It comes back in a day

[upper niche]

@green stump Did you actually think I just had $83.39 off the top of my head and didn't look it up? Man, you're beyond helping.

[tawny sigil]

lol

[green stump]

@upper niche yes i know what I'm talking about, wait till q3 look at the stock then

[upper niche]

Google NASDAQ:ATVI ffs. It's right there, in a 5 year chart you can easily read.

[tawny sigil]

@green stump you have no idea what you are talking about and you are just talking out of your ass

the fact that you said all this, prove you have no clue what you are saying

[upper niche]

No, you clearly don't know what you're talking about, and that's probably why I'm doing my head in even bothering with the opinion of someone I already blocked, ugh.

[green stump]

@tawny sigil you didn't even know that employees leave contact work and yet you think they all left cause they don't care about the game anymore

[upper niche]

@tawny sigil Just give up. This guy clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

[green stump]

Your assumptions based on surface level stuff is hilarious

Are any of you in stocks? If i were to give you a quarter to quarter earning to savings report, could you understand it?

[tawny sigil]

never said all... some for sure lose interest in it, and they're never gonna claim they did cause that would geopardise their career that's just a fact

if you think game dev is all flowers and rainbows you are out of your mind

[green stump]

Well?

Could either of you do that?

[tawny sigil]

do what?

[green stump]

Read above

[tawny sigil]

be a dev?

[green stump]

Are any of you in stocks? If i were to give you a quarter to quarter earning to savings report, could you understand it?

[tawny sigil]

i have been paying attention to stock market for a few years now (of company i care about)

although i do not invest

i still pay attention to some a bit

[green stump]

What's about a trending scale based on a expectations report

[tawny sigil]

look at their past, look at the trend

[green stump]

Can you do that?

[tawny sigil]

i dont look at projections, i look at what happened based on events

[green stump]

Events are singular... But also planned, many companies expect these drops every single year and barely blink an eye

[tawny sigil]

such as diablo immortal making activision stock drop by like 20% or something in 1 day... that is a more common occurence

[green stump]

Lol are you serious?

[tawny sigil]

but i watch that happen 3 times in 6 months for activision

[green stump]

You think they was a failure?

Er that?

Are you joking?

[tawny sigil]

normaly that happen maybe once every 2 years

3 times in 6 months mean you're losing public trust

[green stump]

Did you seriously think the mobile diablo game was a failure?! Really? N

[tawny sigil]

investor's trust

what?... the investor certainly thought it was a failure

shit tons dropped ship

[green stump]

Lol no, not even close

It was a success

20% dip is like what... 3 hours to recover

[tawny sigil]

it never recovered

[green stump]

Lol you sure about that

[tawny sigil]

wtf are you on about

the chart is right there look at it

do i have to link it to you?

[green stump]

You basing everything on a chart for public viewing.. think about that for a second

[tawny sigil]

DO YOU WANT A LINK SIR?

cause you clearly have no idea how to look at stock

[green stump]

Lol that's a very very bold statement for someone who didn't even answer my previous questions

[tawny sigil]

"20% recover in 3 hours" NO IT DOES NOT

[green stump]

And your getting mighty frustrated

Silly

Your little look into stocks is what a 8 year old can do... Why on Earth would you put trust in that

[tawny sigil]

please point to me which question you ask that i did not answer cause most of your question so far are

"where do you get that from"

i asked you, Do you want a link to the stock market?

thats my answer

[green stump]

You got it from a GOOGLE SEARCH, not an investment report, not a q2q financial review, not even a damn budget scaling, is a GOOGLE SEARCH

[tawny sigil]

yeah and guess what Activision said during those

[green stump]

Lol holy shit

[tawny sigil]

"we had record year, we also gonna fire 800 people"

[green stump]

LOL

dude, where did they fire people from

[tawny sigil]

seriously?

[green stump]

Go look that up

Yes, go look it up

Where did those 'firings' come from

I can watch the quartering too btw

[tawny sigil]

well from whatb i gathered they didnt fire devs

they fired marketing jobs and stuff like that

doesnt matter

what position they fire

[green stump]

Esports was one, the other was involved in e3

Are you kidding me

They removed the fat, every single company does that

[tawny sigil]

for your info, i dont watch the quartering

[green stump]

So, you think this means doom and gloom lol

[tawny sigil]

when did i say that

now you'Re just putting words in my mouth

[green stump]

Seriously, in all seriousness, don't just assume surface level information means everything, ever, you'll just be eating you foot later.

You need to hold that information as just that, information, and it means nothing till you can get the roadmap of these companies. Especially gaming companies that go back and forth all the time.

Liquidation, as I'm sure you've heard of, happens a lot, big companies do that all the time and not only that, the gaming industry in general gains and loses developers and staff so much that even fast food chains look pale in comparison.

What's happens with blizzard and activation is pretty much normal day to day, the 800 employees is very very sad, but it happens.

[tawny sigil]

also for someone that ask me to answer your question, you sure dont answer any

[green stump]

But your not some kind of pro, figuring out the riddle of business with just a Google search. That's just not enough

[tawny sigil]

stock market dips happen for a reason

you saying a 20% drop is normal and recover in 3 hour is a complet lack of understanding

[green stump]

There is so much more behind every decision and yes, market prices dip all the time

If you think THIS IS BAD look at Apple from the last 10 years

Do you see Apple struggling?

Hell nvidia was going through even worse

[tawny sigil]

where is my friend when i need him, he'd go off for 3 hours about apple

[green stump]

You think nvidia is just going to disappear now?

[tawny sigil]

i dont follow apple... but man my friend does cause his dad has stock in it

and his dad lost money cause he didnt listen to him

[green stump]

Lol no

[tawny sigil]

but you jsut say apple and he goes off for 3 hours

[green stump]

Because those who actually follow stocks, they don't just sell sell sell the moment things go down, they BUY

Because they know it's going to curve back up

[tawny sigil]

yeah... if you want to buy activision stock

now is the time

[green stump]

You know why they do that?

[tawny sigil]

they are at an all time low

stocks dont drop because someone at the company said so

[green stump]

If it's so doom and gloom, you'd just sell your stock right now because holy crap, the little green line went down! The company is going to crash

[tawny sigil]

stock drop cause investor sell their stock

[green stump]

Sell high, buy low, then repeat the process

Gain majority

Earn stakes

Trade

[tawny sigil]

well if you bought activision stock 6 months ago, and ahvent sold them yet, you are gonna wait 2-3 years to recover

[green stump]

Lol no