I was spy checking for the sombra, and walked away for 2 seconds the sombra started to come through invis and i tazed her outta stealth
#esports-discussion
analog lark
sand violet
Avoiding spy checking is pretty easy and it's almost always the sombras fault if they get caught
balmy wolf
saint pick me up for ur contenders team
fleet walrus
No limits all sombra kills goats?
balmy wolf
ill give you $2
pearl stratus
You know what gets me the most when I'm playing Sombra?
Random god damn Hanzo arrows.
sand violet
There's not a ton of times where the spy checkers had a good prediction and got it, most of the time it's sombra's fucking up pathing and walking into the spy checking
pearl stratus
Which are entirely my own fault.
sand violet
No I want the $2 or it's no deal
balmy wolf
well if i go to chicken contendies i wont be able to afford food
so $1 and a snickers it is
sand violet
gg go agane
balmy wolf
I'm lft now but i would get stomped in top od teams
coarse yoke
What would be your guys's opinions on hammond buffs
fleet walrus
vs London when
pearl stratus
Hammond doesn't need buffs?
fleet walrus
He doesn’t need a buff
balmy wolf
he doesn't need em
coarse yoke
.....you guys if he did
fleet walrus
But I’d say a bit more dmg
coarse yoke
there we go
pearl stratus
No cooldown on grappling hook.
fleet walrus
His kill potential out of gm is low
toxic apex
make a character who one shots tanks through shield and is immune to hacks gg xD jk/jk
pearl stratus
Because playing SpiderHamster in custom is fun.
balmy wolf
and thats why theyre below gm lmao
fleet walrus
So I think his dive should be better
coarse yoke
He's super fun to play at low ranks
balmy wolf
no it shouldn't
fleet walrus
That’s just and I f
balmy wolf
i think that the people playing hammond shouldnt fuck up the dive
fleet walrus
Tho
pearl stratus
I don't believe in buffing and nerfing around bad/mediocre players.
balmy wolf
an example of a bad rework: roadhog
coarse yoke
doomfist hammond ultimate crowd control destroyers
balmy wolf
an example of a good rework: lucio
pearl stratus
Hey. I love Roadhog now.
fleet walrus
Buff everyone and goats gone?
coarse yoke
Moira I think needs a re-work
balmy wolf
yeah or a delete
pearl stratus
Moira is the bone thrown to low SR, imo.
balmy wolf
basically
pearl stratus
You can still use her in high SR stuff, but its pretty limited.
balmy wolf
a low skill hero that shouldnt be in a high skill rating game
i dont really see what the issue is
pearl stratus
I'm surprised overall how much we've seen her so far in the first week of OWL.
Was much more than I expected.
pearl stratus
I mean you'll occassionally see it.
balmy wolf
shes the third lowest pick i think
pearl stratus
If people are being potatoes and not peeling for supports etc.
fleet walrus
I remember Florida play her sometime
pearl stratus
It becomes like.. a frustration pick.
But I've never seen anyone want to pick her.
toxic apex
brig is also, but brig brings so much to the table
pearl stratus
Only in triple support.
toxic apex
ya
pearl stratus
Ana + Lucio for everything else 90% of the time on Ladder.
toxic apex
but moira brings nothing to the table
pearl stratus
Thankfully Ana, Lucio and Zen are all fun to play.
Makes life easy.
Though I'm lowkey a dumpster Zen. My right clicks are so loose.
fleet walrus
All one trick team for goats in overwatch league when
pearl stratus
We already have Paris.
You'll never actually get an all one trick either way, since DPS to Brig/Ana/Zarya.
coarse yoke
Why don't people play her in high ranks
pearl stratus
Who, Moira?
pearl stratus
Also easier to kill honestly.
Her Shadow Dash is great in low SR when people lose track of you really easy.
But beyond once its done, she's a sitting duck.
Also, on the off chance you're not playing Goats, Coalescence is a god damn death wish
uneven owl
Can someone explain the Zacharee hate? His personality or is he not treated as a good player?
limber pine
he's a good player, but people argued that he's not what Dallas needed
analog lark
Zacharee isn't what dallas needed
No team needs 4 hitscans
I mean Shock has 3 hitscan but also 2 projectiles
sand violet
Zach is listed as flex
Which means he's not playing hitscan except for in quad/triple dps comps
Taimou is probably riding bench anyways
sand violet
How do you know his entire hero pool?
analog lark
I've watched his contenders play
sand violet
He could've already been decent at projectile and/or practiced it even more with the team
sand violet
Just cause you play a certain role for a team doesn't mean you can only play that role
No one is taking flex from whoRu
That doesn't mean Zach doesn't know how to play flex dps
analog lark
I know, I've seen bumper switch between Main support to off tank to main taink
sand violet
I know plenty of dps who play/played hitscan but had atleast a couple flex dps heroes in their hero pool
analog lark
And what I'm saying is that we haven't really been showed proof that he has the flexibility the team needed beforehand
sand violet
Unless fuel just has unimaginably bad management, they wouldn't pick up a hitscan only player for flex which means Zach probably has a deeper hero pool than he's let people see or he's been practicing flexing with the team
analog lark
Sure he could learn flex but i haven't really seen it
sand violet
You don't have to see it for it to exist
analog lark
So if i see it, I'll believe it.
sand violet
There hasnt been a comp where a flex dps is needed to be a flex dps yet
So there's been no reason to show it
analog lark
... Fair enough i suppose
limber pine
I mean Zachareee is playing now so they likely didn't have what they think they needed in AKM/Effect/Taimou
take with that what you will
analog lark
His brig is alright
pearl stratus
My biggest issue is I think Zach is more nepotism than need. He still shows the same issues on Brig that he did during the OWWC with Team USA from my perspective. There may be much I'm missing internally, but it was especially noticeable their first game.
limber pine
Most Brig players are okay. Brig was first death in a lot of fights this past week
pearl stratus
And while I know Zach hates Brig (he's more than vocal about it), part of professionalism is to put aside things like that and still be able to play it based on team need.
That being said I also blame a lack of growth on Brigitte more on coaching, than on Zach. Since it was a pre-existing condition that should have been brought up.
analog lark
I've seen that Zarya was the first death in a lot of team fights
limber pine
a few zarya's have gotten overzealous in getting charge
Effect on Volskaya is the biggest example
Dafran did it a couple times too
pearl stratus
Sinatraa has a tendency to get caught out as well.
But I will admit his Zarya is much more team focused than it was in the World Cup.
pearl stratus
I'll second that, since he shouldn't have been playing her in the first place.
Lateyoung would be my second.
That Grav Jebait on Nepal was just gorgeous.
But Lateyoung has always had a really solid Zarya.
pearl stratus
IDK, Kruise and Yveltal, equally.
limber pine
IDK is insane
pearl stratus
Boink and Jake both showed the most growth on Houston in the off-season so I'll agree with that.
As much of a meme as Jake is, he flexes a lot on the few maps we've seen and hasn't been a throw.
And yeah, IDK + Ria is probably my favorite Lucio+D'va combo in the league.
They work so well together.
limber pine
yeah but given Zarya is usually given to a dps to play, and Fusions was signed just a few days before the Season, Axxiom likely had little to no experience playing her with Boston
or the expectation of playing her
Also, Boston was supposed to be a shitshow and came within two shatters of beating NYXL
pearl stratus
The 3:3 Boston put out with minimum practice is insane, and I get irrationally mad
Because every time I think Boston is doing weird shit they still come up with a solid team
limber pine
Boston is like the luckiest team ever
pearl stratus
Watch Colourhex be a downgrade from Axxiom though.
limber pine
i mean
at this point, I don't see any reason to put colouhex in
unless his Zarya is eons better
pearl stratus
Axxiom bubble timing is damn near perfect because he understands more than anyone else what Fusions most likely doing.
limber pine
so Colourhex, krystal, and Violet are all back this week
Neko as another week, Apply has another game, and, Ripa another 2 weeks
pearl stratus
Viol2t should be pretty huge, though Sleepy made no misplays that I could think of.
But Viol2t on the roster just opens up a lot comp wise with his DPS options alone.
pearl stratus
Just put a leash on Rawkus.
He's got such weird and shit positioning.
Like Rawkus. It's Goats.
You dont' need to be on the high ground across away from your team isolated.
Somehow its no longer dive, and you're making yourself a dive target.
limber pine
yeah that thread on r/compOW the other day was mind-boggling
shrewd shell
pearl stratus
I didn't see it, but I'm assuming they showed Volks A?
With Rawkus like "LOL I HAVE A HOUSE" 2343084523958 miles away from his team
limber pine
uh let me find it
karmic grotto
Interesting
limber pine
pearl stratus
Oh yeah. Looking at that for Rawkus.
120% JJonak Syndrome, but if Jjonak was dumb af with positioning.
rare sonnet
Kkonak
balmy wolf
jagged crater
Shrood
limber pine
@tired basalt #lf-scrim-na
vagrant niche
People on pro play tired of playing Goats and here on my ranks nobody wants to play it. And they call me toxic when i tell them on Horizon Lunar defense Point A
Using Zarya with Orisa
it's unreal how plats can be about gamesense
I hope we get Paris on stage 3 at least
pearl stratus
Most tanks/supports don't seem to overly mind Goats. It's more a dps whine.
limber pine
the HP changes should definitely be in Stage 2 though
pearl stratus
Which makes sense, based on the meta composition.
vagrant niche
@pearl stratus I honestly don't mind playing Brig or Zarya or D.Va or Winston
but it's a pain to play them when you only have 1 healer and bad dps scattered everywhere without any sort of coordination
everybody is too fixated on having 1v1 duels instead of focusing a main target like main tank or healer
like I don't get it, how this matchmaking works. How can it match with with people who think Orisa and Zarya is an OK composition
limber pine
because the matchmaker doesn't take that into account?
pearl stratus
I mean its plat. You could pick anything and do fine if you communicate and work together.
It's a half step above braindead.
limber pine
i'm gold what does that mean?
pearl stratus
It means have fun.
limber pine
nice
pearl stratus
Too many poeple forget that at lower SR, imo.
You don't have a meta down there. Have fun, communicate. As long as you a tank or a support you can do fine.
limber pine
I think too many people forget that in general
pearl stratus
Really the meta doesn't exist till Masters/GM, and masters even its more location dependent.
If you're in an area / time zone where you get pulled into GM games, know the meta in Masters.
vagrant niche
what tank would you recommend to play as when your team mates are allergic to the point like Shangai last season?
maybe i should learn hammond
pearl stratus
I mean climbing is always easy as Roadhog, provided you're accounting for what their dps is and how much ult you'll be feeding.
vagrant niche
since i can solo dip myself out
pearl stratus
Hammond can live through a lot of stuff in low SR because the focus/counters aren't there.
Also you get chasers in low SR, which is always funny.
vagrant niche
exactly
ye
i think
i'm going to put myself on a new quest
of learning Zen and Hammond
pearl stratus
But you can also solo tank as D'va, and carry a bunch too.
vagrant niche
i dunno about that
Healers are very questionable on this rank
again, people are too fixated on 1v1
and lots of dps moiras
fathom acorn
Overwatch players: FUCK YOU BLIZZARD YOU DONT RESPECT SUPPORT AND TANK MAINS AND ONLY LIKE TRACER
Blizzard: we’re sorry you feel that way, here’s a meta that mostly has supports and tanks and counters tracer
Overwatch players: WTF?!?!? WHO SAID WE WANTED SUPPORTS AND TANKS?!?!?
Blizzard: 
limber pine
just wait until quad dps become the meta
ruby pendant
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
twin cobalt
Lol the expansion teams are still undef
limber pine
yeah the bot is not being worked on, but the schedule still works
balmy wolf
go houston!! and boston
slow walrus
I would disagree with the argument that the meta only matters in masters
idk
if you're solo queue then yes
but if you group up or even get your teammates to listen in diamond/plat and you go goats
I've found that it's very successful provided people know what they're doing and what goats is
supple prism
if we are going by pre-mades, then it also works in gold
slow walrus
u mean like six stacking? yeah
provided that everyone understands at the basest level what goats is and how it is run it'll work in most elos when you all group up
but I've seen in as high as plat people play goats and just completely mess it up; like a brig will go off and do their own thing and die alone or whatever
nimble peak
does anyone else like spitfires because they are actually from the UK
slow walrus
I think people like spitfire bc they're good. UK doesn't have a very big presence in ow
eh
I think it's also a little alienating that the whole team is korean but that's a different topic that I'm sure a lot of people get riled up about
a little along the lines of why XL2 is drafting new yorkers lol
like honestly if you're a UK overwatch fan why root for london when Paris literally has more british players and staff than london
somber storm
BIG FACTS
slow walrus
it's fine to have people from all over on your team, but overwatch is different because the players don't actually live in the city they play for (yet)
somber storm
yeah
i want OWL to get way bigger because i want the players to benefit and get more love
slow walrus
so you tend to feel really distant from anyone on your actual closest/hometown team which is exaggerated if they aren't the same nationality as you
pearl stratus
Eh. I'm not racist. So I don't care about their nationality, just if they're good.
There's a reason we got rid of all [x] sports, its boring and you don't get the best players just the correctly ethnic ones.
slow walrus
yeah I'm not trying to say they don't belong there or anything but I'm mostly commenting on how a lot of people pick a team they like instead of their home team bc it's all in LA anyways
somber storm
i love the valiant because I love Space and Agilities. They are my first and second favorite players in the league
agilities has been one of my favorite OW players for a while
forest verge
Go fusion
sharp kindle
^
coral copper
expanision teams are not undefeated
pupper u are wrong
reign lost to fusion
guangzho charge lost to chengdu
river ember
Can someone explain the rawkus situation to me?
supple prism
what do you mean?
river ember
idk I see a lot of posts talking about him and how he’s throwing
supple prism
oh, how he kept getting picked off first
river ember
Ah that’s a rip
supple prism
he was on zen and he kept putting himself out of a safe position and Notes Dva was pretty much always able to punish him for it
hidden vault
Hmm anything on Gamsu on reddit instead?
supple prism
@hidden vault like this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/aqtvw4/gamsu_was_traded_to_shanghai_last_minute_without/
sharp kindle
Has XQC played in an owl game yet?
analog lark
he's played in a few in stage 1 and 2 of season 1
@sharp kindle
he was supposed to be the Dallas fuel main tank
but he posted an emote, and other various rather benign things imo and got suspended for a lot of the games
leading to Dallas dropping him
and as such
Dallas using Taimou as a main tank
sharp kindle
Ah, I haven't seen him play so I was just wondering, I heard of that
sharp kindle
Yeah lmao
analog lark
but yeah, he's played a few matches
he actually wasn't that bad
it's just
Trihard7
sharp kindle
Yeah
analog lark
he's now a substitute for the gladiators legion
sharp kindle
Ye, I'm gonna go look for clips of him playing
analog lark
he's certainly no Fissure or Mano
but he's alright
like mid tier main tank in season 1
crude flicker
hey I got the ow all access pass Im looking for a real good lucio to pov
crude flicker
yeah Im trying to learn them better
lucio*
I just got flamed for not building beat before grav my last comp game
now im sad
analog lark
if your zarya is good at right clicks, she can get a grav faster than a rein or sombra
rein and sombras can typically get their ults in a minute
and Lucio is a very long ult to build
since really, you should be speeding as much as possible, and don't really wanna just spend your time on healing.
IDK is a great Lucio when it comes to building beat
he can build 2 beats in one goats team fight.
some times
but his ult generation is amazing
so if you want to learn how to build ult quickly
look at IDK
kruise in general offers really good positioning
crude flicker
thanks!
hmm damn you can't rewatch pov yet
hope they change it
it would be cool if you could access the command center at anytime
gaunt acorn
@sharp kindle were you asking about his signing to the gladiators legion?
sharp kindle
No, I was just wondering if he has played any games yet
gaunt acorn
or just last season on the fuel
sharp kindle
This season
sharp kindle
He isn't? That explains why I couldn't find anything lmao
gaunt acorn
nope
he was signed to gladiators legion, the la gladiators' contenders team
but he's a substitute
and only signed with them to get a visa to live in the united states -- he likely won't play a single match
xqc left the owl on march 11, 2018
cerulean briar
rip xQc... people crap on him too much honestly
pearl stratus
It's actually pretty insulting I feel overall, because you can tell its not really for him to play and more for him to move. There's better tanks who could have used the etc.
balmy wolf
@cerulean briar xqc is an acquired taste
proven tusk
ryujehong and jjonak is where its at
sick sail
👍🏾 @proven tusk I concur
havent gotten to watch either of them play this season tho ;-;
proven tusk
thats sucks
first ny game jjonak went on a rampage, 2nd seoul game ryujehong blasted with ana was a good time
unique musk
hi
limber umbra
will this week's games be played on the latest patch?
sick sail
@proven tusk Ill need to go back and watch them then lol
sick sail
^the condensation video comes to mind when you say that lol
supple prism
@limber umbra most likely not
trim shadow
effects dad basically said stop doubting effect support him and let him grow as a player
hidden vault
xQc is really smart to have alot of things going through his mind
ripe shale
vagrant cargo
@crude flicker do u have the all acess pass
crude flicker
yes
vagrant cargo
Ah ok
vagrant cargo
Idk i havent watched VoDs yet xd
gaunt acorn
@crude flicker you cannot
crude flicker
what why not
damn
I was hoping I could look at povs and learns :c
on days I can't watch livwe
gaunt acorn
because twitch is dumb
crude flicker
ah thats a big bummer for me
sullen berry
sleek zephyr
Kyb is a lad
sullen berry
I do agree
he could be an insane GOATs mentor if they aren't going to put him in the starting roster
sleek zephyr
mhm
sullen berry
was this the best that they could do, honestly @gaunt acorn https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/aqq0qg/updates_from_fanatics/
gaunt acorn
yep
sullen berry
😐
rose saddle
Not gonna lie the mayhem lookin pretty stacked this year 💸💸
sleek zephyr
Maybe he's comparing them to last year 🙂
analog lark
Maybe
frozen coyote
phili ftw
pearl stratus
Maybe he's comparing them to a bunch of dead people.
But I still think the dead people could take a map or two off Florida.
fast basin
vagrant cargo
@rose saddle Mayhem is absolutely dogshit
Players like Sansam or Kris should not be in OWL
limber pine
Mayhem may look stacked but their play says otherwise
hidden vault
Apply seems to be in a weird position
fathom acorn
Mayhem doesn’t even look like a pro team
karmic grotto
its becuz theyre mayhem
fathom acorn
London will come back
gray shard
shanghai is best team. prove me wrong
pearl stratus
Thats not how burden of proof works. The person making the claim must present the proof for his words to be taken even remotely seriously.
tough sleet
Is Shanghai the best because their players will finally be treated humanely?
sleek zephyr
fathom acorn
NYXL best
vernal obsidian
NYXL is XLing like usual.
vernal obsidian
NYXL could have won s1 of owl
but they got sloppy.
They were on top of the world and they let their guards down.
I'm hoping to see some players stand out from the new s2 teams.
so far, the only newcomer that has stood out to me has been Fusions in Boston U.
and that's not a new s2 team
karmic grotto
they sandbagged
pearl stratus
You must not have been watching many of the games then. Because honestly most S2 teams look better than their S1 counterparts due to the meta they're used to.
Ria, IDK, Diem, Nosmite, Kruise, Aid, Ameng, Elsa, All of Vancouver have all looked amazing.
pearl stratus
As of right now I'd say Dafran is an average OWL player, no disappoint, no critiques. But he also hasn't stood out as exceptional to me on Atlanta.
That's more Masaa/Daco.
slow walrus
Vancouver looks decent too! they only played one game but still lots of promise
limber umbra
with the caveat being they played against SHD
put them up against a real team first
pearl stratus
Eh at this point even with the double losses Shanghai still looks like more real of a team than others.
Say like..
London.
In current state London has one of, if not the, worst 3:3 in the entire league.
analog lark
The meta doesn't suit London at all
vernal obsidian
shanghai needed to scout for better supports and dps
pearl stratus
Diem. Better dps. 
vernal obsidian
tanks and dps tried hard in s1 only to be bottlenecked by freefeel's bad positioning and w/e the other support was.
diem is alright
pearl stratus
vernal obsidian
hence why chat would keep referring to him as freekill.
pearl stratus
But there's literally 0 point to reference season 1 at all. Even in the slightest for Season 2.
For really.. any team.
vernal obsidian
With that said, I hope that Shanghai wins a match this season.
pearl stratus
Play two of the best teams in the league, lose both competitively. Everything goes 180 back to moron memes.
pearl stratus
Not entirely true.
Dallas v. Shock was not competitive.
At all.
Washington vs. NYXL also not competitive.
Florida v. Atlanta, not competitive.
There's been blow outs.
vernal obsidian
Dallas without Mickie nor Seagull nor even that blonde boi is just a team that's there.
pearl stratus
I mean
Mickie is shit except on Brig.
And having a player locked to Brig would just be moron coaching.
vernal obsidian
and I'm not referring to their talent, speaking more on popularity.
analog lark
Dallas did fight well against seoul, so Dallas can fight competitively
I said every team, not every match mate
pearl stratus
Washington and Florida still need a real test then.
vernal obsidian
nyxl is too much of a test then? 
pearl stratus
They get Chengdu this week, but I think Chengdu will win - honestly.
Basically this is Floridas overall easiest stage.
So it should speak a lot.
analog lark
Washington was holding up decently considering it was the NYXL
pearl stratus
They lost a map without getting a single kill.
analog lark
Taking a map off of NYXL is nothing to scoff at
vernal obsidian
I still can't believe that Jjonak led the way for Blizzard to actually nerf Zen's volley speed.
pearl stratus
Also for that map NYXL could have recovered it, but didn't care because.. well they do that. They kept pushing their weird ass comp.
Like Houston with that stupid reaper strat on Volks.
pearl stratus
LAG reaper worked, and Shanghai Reaper worked
Houstons failed horrible, and they brute forced it for 3 minutes.
And basically threw the map because of it.
karmic grotto
lmao
split crest
Reaper?
pearl stratus
Not the right map for Reaper, it was a bad call.
split crest
In league?
vernal obsidian
I feel that Jake came in cold to OWL.
pearl stratus
Yeah you right. Played 6 heroes his first game, solid damage and KD numbers.
Came in way cold 😉
They're favoring an underperforming Linkzr right now, and its hurting them.
vernal obsidian
Cold relative to his usual performance.
pearl stratus
Unless there's a comm issue where they want Danteh calling not Jake it should be Jake/Danteh sharing the DPS role with Linkzr soft subbing for maps where he can flex to Widow.
vernal obsidian
That would make sense.
Widow mains could potentially look to going Ashe for this meta.
vagrant cargo
I mean people underrate jake because he had "Beef" with xQc
He is not worldclass or extremly good
But pretty underrated imo
Linkzr played pretty bad
pearl stratus
Linkzr played his heroes well, he does not seem comfortable on Brig. In his first game he was out of position often and caught out.
But thats apparently a team weakness.
Considering Rawkus half the time is off in fucking narnia waiting to get picked.
vernal obsidian
Rawkus tries to overextend like Jjonak. The difference being that NYXL peals so much for Jjonak.
Secondary barrier is always used on him.
sullen berry
Pooling all their resources into one hero? Some team game this is! /s
pearl stratus
Jjonak is also with his team more often than he's not. He rarely goes on those flanking routes, and hasnt' at all this season.
vagrant cargo
^
vernal obsidian
and you shouldn't with goats because otherwise you'll be trampled over with tanks running around with lucio.
pearl stratus
Houston is honestly close to a successful line up. Boink is playing really well, Muma and Coolmatt are their standard fine. I prefer Spree because he's a bit more aggressive, personally.
But they have small individual errors that are ruining them.
And I get they probably were stuck in a "We can't spend more money" thing, with all the Optic issues. But they just need to work on it more
vernal obsidian
Boink is hard carrying with those massive boops.
balmy wolf
Boink has pleasantly surprised me this season.
If Rawkus keeps underperforming, and Shock end up keeping Viol2t as their permanent flex-support, then Sleepy could be a good fit for Outlaws, unless Shock want to keep him.
It'd be a shame to see someone as good as Sleepy on the bench.
vernal obsidian
I see you too like Fusions
gentle haven
HEY WANT A COMNPETTIVE GROUP IM IN PLAY GENJI MAIN
ruby pendant
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
supple yoke
so im watching past games, why do they pause so often? technical issues?
karmic grotto
balmy wolf
I don't play video games
crude flicker
Why do some teams only play one game a week two times in a row
Like Paris and Washington
pearl stratus
It varies.
crude flicker
Every team plays 7 each stage right
crude flicker
But they will all have the same amount played at the end of each stage right
pearl stratus
Right
crude flicker
Alright makes sense
trim shadow
i wonder if ow wll ever impliment a offseason draft instead of
- oh weve signed this player*
like college overwatch
and contenders
celest bear
eh
I don't think ppl would want to attend a college ow
we talking about mayhem?
they signed a full korean rostaer and 3 western coaches 🤣
trim shadow
we wont sign a full korean roster
but it would be nice to give casuals a chance to make a name for themselves trying to develop a ow college leauge
hidden vault
I think it would be interesting if houston plays bani on zen instead of rawkus
No more overextending and far positioned zen
And swap linkerz out for jake, I'm sure jake could do better as brig
untold mist
why is blizzard killing the tier 2 scene lol
hidden vault
Is there money to be made from tier 2?
The only way for bilzzard to make more money from tier 2 is to have more viewers
So why aren't you watching contenders?
trim shadow
Atlanta definetly has the better talent
supple prism
tor is probably mid tier and atl is probably mid top
supple prism
think philly has a super easy week
sharp kindle
Yeah if they lose to Florida I’m gonna be pissed and surprised lol
mellow niche
ruby pendant
lol would be funny if Mayhem beat fusion
supple prism
idk if mayhem has improved
gaunt acorn
(no)
supple prism
think i fell asleep during their match
verbal roost
did shd win one yet?
gaunt acorn
no
verbal roost
😦
limber pine
They won a map
pearl stratus
Sideshows Stream has been really interesting lately, though they accidently slaughtered Dafran on it.
limber pine
I mean, Dafran had a decent Zarya outing, but i think normal users can see he's an average Zarya.
pearl stratus
Agreed, but visually I thought he was a bit higher than that actually.
Being 23rd in something is oof.
quartz fern
He is usally a DPS
pearl stratus
Every Zarya is.
limber pine
^
pearl stratus
Not an excuse.
quartz fern
But if you watch his stream hes playing zarya a little more
pearl stratus
If your DPS (hitscan) can't flex to Zarya they're literally useless.
quartz fern
Like I said he is playing zarya more to get better
pearl stratus
I'm not insulting him, I just didn't realize he was actually that bad for the first two games.
In comparison
quartz fern
Yeah
pearl stratus
He looked middle of the road.
quartz fern
but he'll get better with time
Every player
does
Hell I used to be a silver and now I play in diamond
limber pine
I wonder if we'll see gator again
quartz fern
probably
limber pine
he'll only be able to play one more game in Stage 1 before he loses contenders eligibility
!schedule ATL
somber yewBOT
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pearl stratus
Probably not, the contenders schedule just started. Unless we get a pick up on their academy team
It looked like they used him because it was pre-season and it gave him some experience.
Btw this is actually really well done (not just because he says everything I've been saying):
limber pine
i don't think NA West starts until March
but I see the point either way
at least we know he's in LA if ATL needs him
Sideshow is low-key a great content creator
pearl stratus
Yeah, I'm sad he's stuck in Visa Hell.
But we get good stuff out of it.
He's giving Shanghai 50-50 versus Boston, because its their first week with Colourhex.
So Boston can actually flex to play against Shanghai's more Anti-Goats style.
limber pine
will colourhex play
pearl stratus
I actually think he will. Sideshow made a good point.
Shanghai likes playing a lot of anti-Goats.
With Axxiom in Boston can ONLY play goats.
limber pine
so, does that mean Fusion sits?
pearl stratus
I think Fusions would still start.
But they'll swap him out because his Winston is kind of meh.
limber pine
yea
pearl stratus
he then mentions if they lose to Boston they'd probably win against Chengdu.
Which would be the ultimate in irony.
That Shanghais first win comes from the only all-chinese team.
limber pine
!schedule LON
somber yewBOT
No such team 'LON', for full teams list please type !teams
limber pine
!teams
somber yewBOT
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limber pine
!schedule LDN
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
limber pine
god I hope the win against Justice
pearl stratus
For London?
It doesn't depend.
Hangzhou can actually play 3:3.
I see a very very very small chance for London to win against HZS.
Washington looked just as bad as London on 3:3, so that ones 50/50.
Which is funny, London is one of the strongest individual mechanical skilled teams. Yet they're just so bad at 3:3.
peak echo
Which doesn’t bode well for their season
pearl stratus
I'd say stage more than season.
Individual stages matter much less with the new format though. They are just as important in terms of map stuff, don't get me wrong.
But the increased number of teams also mean your stages can be drastically different in terms of difficulty.
So this might end up being Londons "hard" stage.
fathom acorn
If London can incorporate Guard well into their twam
They have a much higher chance of winning
pearl stratus
The Sombra thing only works so often before teams tend to isolate a bit more (as we saw in their last game) so thats really just a bandaid. But I agree, it does increase their chances.
Sombroats issue, imo, is that its very double edged.
Either you're dropping your D'va, or your Zarya, and both are very important. Most teams drop the D'va but that means you have no more matrix.
So if London get psuedo-hot stuck in the Sombra Goats style I could see teams like Shock/Seoul take advantage of it with their Ana/Zen/Lucio support line.
Because you have nothing to eat Ana-nades.
mellow niche
!schedule ATL
somber yewBOT
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ruby pendant
!schedule
somber yewBOT
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ruby pendant
lol, would be a shame if Justice beat Spitfire
hybrid helm
I actually voted justice wins on Upcomer
pearl stratus
They might, either way.
It depends if their bad showing in Week 1 with NYXL was nerves, or actual skill.
pearl stratus
That doesn't really mean much so far.
ruby pendant
they played ok during the end
pearl stratus
Boston with two main tanks almost beat them, it was damn close.
The only full Korean team right now that looks comfortable is Vancouver.
hybrid helm
I hope we don’t get another day of 3 or 4 matches reaching map 5
It’s fun having close games.. but feels like goats meta have too many of them
pearl stratus
The 22nd is most likely for that.
pearl stratus
It is, but its long.
Especially with this format.
Quickly turns into a night of 7-8 hours of OW.
hybrid helm
Seoul won’t reach map 5 vs chengdu I believe also PHI will sweep Florida
ruby pendant
makes sense
pearl stratus
Yeah its day 2 where things get tight.
And actually I could see Chengdu surprising Seoul.
hybrid helm
Close games are nice when things swings back and forth and such and still not EVERY game
pearl stratus
Seoul has a very weak, exploitable 3:3.
ruby pendant
so you think hunters will likely win?
hybrid helm
I feel like in goats none gets stomped that hard lol.. idk
pearl stratus
No, I'd still say 65-35 on Seoul.
But that doesn't mean it won't be close.
Seoul hasn't played a team with a strong anti-goats coach yet.
So its most likely to be a learning experience for them.
hybrid helm
I believe Dallas were practicing hard vs Seoul while Seoul didn’t
I feel that Seoul focused on the match vs LAG
pearl stratus
I think Seoul just has a weak 3:3 with Fissure on it.
And Dallas did a better job exploiting that.
hybrid helm
Munchkin feels like the weaker link idk.. fissure also didn’t do that well
pearl stratus
It's because Munchkin isn't a Brig.
hybrid helm
I prefer Fleta on Brig
pearl stratus
Munchkin during their showmatches showed an amazingly good Zarya.
Whereas Fleta seems to actually enjoy Brig, at least from his OWWC experience.
Yet they flopped them for reasons unknown to us.
hybrid helm
Also they have Zunba.. I was surprised they didn’t sub Zunba in for munchkin for Kings Row
Where you know goats will dominate
pearl stratus
You want your Zarya to be a flex hitscan typically though.
Which Zunba can't do.
Zarya specialists don't exist anymore.
hybrid helm
Hmm
pearl stratus
I don't disagree with that.
hybrid helm
Fleta is a really smart player it seems
pearl stratus
I also prefer that set up.
But they won't tell us why.
There's a lot of "whys" right now in the League.
Why Linkzr over Jake. Why Kuki over Custa.
Why did those two swap randomly.
hybrid helm
Because Linkzr can play dps? More flexible
pearl stratus
He's not though, not currently.
hybrid helm
You don’t need soldier/junk this meta
pearl stratus
Jake has played more heroes in his three maps played than Linkzr has.
He's play Pharah, Sombra, McCree, Brig, and Hanzo so far.
I feel like I'm missing 1-2.
hybrid helm
Wait you said Kuki over Custa? But they are different roles
pearl stratus
Kuki transitioned to flex support.
He's playing Lucio for LAV currently.
Wait main support.
Sorry.
hybrid helm
Linkzr Hanzo is better than jakes tho by a lot.. not sure about Sombra but I’d imagine so
hybrid helm
Wtf? Kuki Main Support? So random
pearl stratus
Jake had one of the better Hanzos in Season 1, which was surprising.
But more my point is Linkzr objectively lost them their first game because he's almost as bad at Brig as Zacharee.
So it seems weird for them to keep forcing it.
Him and Rawkus and being out of position.
Name a more iconic duo.
limber pine
why is Mickie not playing Brig
pearl stratus
For that I feel like its because Mickie really doesn't have any flex.
hybrid helm
I can’t believe Seoul lost to Zach... that’s a FailFish
pearl stratus
You could make Seagull work with Mickie brig because of the wealth of heroes Seagull can play.
rCK isn't that same depth.
Not that we've seen Dallas flex to anything with DPS with Zach in the line up.
But I'm basing this on the theoretics of the comps Dallas ran in Stage 4, which were similar to 3:3.
hybrid helm
Also Mickie was the best brig when none played her much.. now you have other players with months of experience..
pearl stratus
Mickie is still probably very good on Brig.
He's a smart player.
He's just mechanically not a great D'va.
pearl stratus
The best two brigs in the league aren't even really playing.
Which makes me sad.
Youngjin is out of tank jail now, and he's arguably the best brig in the world.
And then you have Kyb on GZC, who I'd easily put second.
hybrid helm
Because brig is a weird hero.. you gotta play her as dps player
Yea Kyb is insane.. why isn’t he playing!? His dps was also good in WC
pearl stratus
Language barrier, most likely.
hybrid helm
I remember him dinking on Hanzo
pearl stratus
GZC has 3 different languages.
hybrid helm
Just learn Korean 4Head
pearl stratus
But enough Koreans to field a 6 of them.
So I don't think we'll see Kyb, Nero or Onlywish till Stage 2/3 in any length.
hybrid helm
Are there any western pros that learnt and speak fluent Korean?
pearl stratus
We'll probably see them in some extent.
Also - something people don't actually think of a lot.
Kyb has technically TWO language barriers.
Because while he speaks english its with a british accent and slang.
So its english, but its not like Neros english.
Which makes him doubly hard to understand.
Custa had the same issues for a bit with the aussie accent.
hybrid helm
Hmm that depends on the Koreans and Chinese.. for example I learnt British English in school
Many countries teach British English with British accent so ppl are used to it
hybrid helm
But then again.... who learns anything from schools
pearl stratus
Korea I know is more about American english.
At least currently.
There was a little article on it
hybrid helm
Why don’t players learn Korean? I mean not all of them, but if a western pro is very good and he can speak Korean it would add to his player value
A LOT
Like Bischu did
Bishu
Idk how to spell his name
pearl stratus
I mean Bischu learned it because of his family, not for overwatch so a bit of a stretch there.
But I don't disagree that it wouldn't hurt your chances.
I think it has more to do with the school systems offering more of the standard spanish/french over something like Korean.
So its something extra you have to learn on the side.
hybrid helm
I personally speak 4 languages. Learning a new language isn’t THAT hard and it’s a very good thing
Yea I only learnt English from the school and even that, the majority from internet and gaming
pearl stratus
A lot of it is location.
hybrid helm
Not from school itself
pearl stratus
I know for instance LA has a lot of korean language programs.
Because you have a large korean population.
hybrid helm
Hmm
pearl stratus
But in like.. bumfuck Idaho
They offer standard spanish/french bullshit.
The US is ignorantly behind in offering a lot of languages for kids to learn, but its getting better.
When I went to high school you -only- had spanish and french. Those were the only two options.
After I graduated they randomly added German.
pearl stratus
It's 50-50.
Boston has proved they're not weak.
Shanghai plays some strong anti-Goats but Colourhex is not suspended anymore.
hybrid helm
This season you don’t know who’s good, or if it’s just their enemy is bad..
pearl stratus
Which means Boston can run more than 3:3.
If this match was last week, I'd say Shanghai.
Because all Boston could run in their first two matches was 3:3.
pearl stratus
I actually would prefer Shanghai beats Boston.
Because I do think they'll beat Chengdu.
And I'd feel really bad if Shanghai got their first win off the only chinese team.
karmic grotto
Not bad though
They have to win sometime
new season, new chances
it's possible
pearl stratus
Yeah its just the irony of the situation would be really shitty.
karmic grotto
I bet players will be finally happy
finally winning a match after losing everything
pearl stratus
No one on KDP looks unhappy, honestly.
So the only person who'd be really happy would be Diya, who doesn't play.
karmic grotto
:
pearl stratus
I'm sure most of the new people don't give a shit about the 0-40.
Before their time, nothing they have to care about.
For 90% of the team they're 0-2 having played two of the best teams in the league.
So they have the same record as London atm.
pearl stratus
And honestly for playing with a non-integrated or non-existent main tank, Shanghai haven't looked bad at all.
They have one of the stronger dps duos in the league in Ding +Diem.
You can see that even though they were losing.
ruby sable
Honestly I think Shanghai has looked pretty good so far
pearl stratus
Diem is just nutty.
Diem dismantled a team running 3:3.
On Tracer.
Just think about that for a minute.
ruby sable
lol Diem is an absolute maniac. I have nightmares about his tracer
pearl stratus
It's like watching Profits 5k on Volks when he's zipping around.
limber pine
i just don't think they're good at it
vernal obsidian
Yes.
If brig's passive and stun duration was reduced, dive could start making a come back
brig is literally the glue of goats
pearl stratus
....
Why do you like being wrong so much?
😛
"Brig is the glue of goats" four teams have 3:3 comps that literally don't even field Brig.
Also dive got nerfed to shit with the armor changes.
Just as an add on.
daring prism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY5tIlrwvEU this play was nuts.
fathom acorn
Dallas did pretty good in their second game
First game was a nightmare though
It’s the one of the two times I’ve switched off because of how hard a team got stomped
limber pine
GOATS is the great normalizer
6 teams are 1-1, another 6 teams are 1-0 or 0-1 with a +/- 2 map score
even Houston at 0-2 has two 2-3 matches
this week should clarify a few things
hidden osprey
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
mellow niche
Kind of dumb for me to realize this now
but it all makes sense why Super's got such an inflated ego.
Am I reading this wrong? Or is Super actually ranked #1 overall in the OWL?
somber yewBOT
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feral jacinth
SHD -6
sharp kindle
Lmao
tawny sigil
why did watch point just turn into a mid game roll
i guess the view rates on the old format didnt have enough views and they decided to can it
vagrant niche
WE BACK BOIS!
upper niche
Well that's about the most brutal and blunt assessment of a match i think I've ever heard from Soe (or the desk).
vagrant niche
!schedule
somber yewBOT
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rapid locust
does anybody think it's weird that the shd are scheduled to go up against the dallus fuel twice in the same stage?
opal spruce
its just how scheduling falls
happens alot in sports that arent football
you can play the same team twice in 5 days in hockey
pearl stratus
Yeah, once again to explain this:
Do not look at stages. Stages are of minimal importance.
With the new format you can have drastically different difficult stages.
silk fjord
is the stream messing up for you guys?
opal spruce
audio is
rapid locust
kinda
silk fjord
I'm guessing audio cutting out and the video stuttering
tawny sigil
yeah its freezing a bit
opal spruce
what are we watching right now
silk fjord
yeah I'm freezing
tawny sigil
going back to some thailand level streaming
hey... soe wearing some decent cloths for once
worn hornet
the NFL could learn something from that
worn hornet
It's just the right amount of stupid without going overboard
pearl stratus
The only desk person I pay attention to now isn't on the desk.
He's stuck in Britain.
opal spruce
i can see it now in the NFL: Cards, Raiders, someone
pearl stratus
Sideshow still has the best desk content
pearl stratus
You eventually do in football. The draft is almost designed for shit teams to be able get out of the hole
opal spruce
wait no i got it
pearl stratus
Fissure and saying he's not hte problem, name a more iconic duo.
opal spruce
Cards, Raiders, Antonio Brown
pearl stratus
If Seoul didn't have an overrated overextending main tank they'd be fine.
tawny sigil
they removed monte's devil head
tawny sigil
i need a better adblocker
balmy wolf
lol
rapid locust
you know you can block them right?
tawny sigil
spanish ads sometimes... im in canada you dum fucks
balmy wolf
lol
tawny sigil
well my adblocker is failing to block these new ads
balmy wolf
thts nice
rapid locust
use, ublock origin in combination with ghostry
upper niche
Oh, I thougth Philly played Dallas twice.
balmy wolf
k
upper niche
And yeah, the ads are nuts, they're cuttting in to ads mid-sentence during Watchpoint.
balmy wolf
yo so i was thinking... why is there no C9 OW team?
upper niche
huh? London are C9. Spitfire and Hurricane.
rapid locust
the memes maybe?
balmy wolf
london came from cloud 9
rapid locust
oh wait, no I think their are cloud 9 teams
balmy wolf
london is cloud 9
upper niche
yes.
balmy wolf
mhm
upper niche
Cloud9 own the London Spitfire franchise.
upper niche
I really do like the OWL Intro sting/theme.
balmy wolf
profit always cute
low crag
Hey everybody 😃
balmy wolf
ok
rapid locust
hello
balmy wolf
busan
low crag
Fucking horizon
rapid locust
fuck horizon
low crag
Hahmond
balmy wolf
yea
inland pawn
Pog
low crag
What does pog mean?
balmy wolf
poggers
low crag
This does not help me
tawny sigil
best ctf map right there
balmy wolf
you gotta keep up with the lingo to survive
low crag
Im new to the scene
balmy wolf
that shows excitement or surprise
low crag
Gotcha thanks @balmy wolf
tawny sigil
zero death!
balmy wolf
the gold strats
tawny sigil
nobody saw that
tawny sigil
that gesture stomp
forest wharf
imagine winning s1 championship then losing to the cheapest team in owl
tawny sigil
miss miserably
balmy wolf
lol true
rapid locust
profit got the akm ult