esports-discussion

[clear crane]

u wud see zunba in instead of michelle

[pearl stratus]

But people still cry.

[karmic grotto]

zoning grav

[clear crane]

cause u flex when the situation arrives

[karmic grotto]

iq 300

[mossy locust]

tbh the mot boring part of OWL right now is watching teams do Graviton+Self destruct

[light quarry]

you cant say the meta is flexing when flexing is the minority

[tired anvil]

Boston w/ Fusions is probably going to rely on 3-3 but thats cause he has an insane Rein. Other teams, like SHD and NYXL play other comps.

[vagrant niche]

That grav was BM

he was like

i don't need this

[light quarry]

Sure, flexing is part of the meta, but not big enough to say "flexing is the meta"

[karmic grotto]

yup

throwed away the grav

[clear crane]

the teams that are flexing are the teams who are winning

[gaunt acorn]

but muh stats

[simple badger]

goats is cancer

[pearl stratus]

I mean Spark vs Shanghai saw maybe.. 10 minutes of 3:3 total.

[simple badger]

it needs to be eradicated

[forest raven]

That's because Shanghai had no main tank

[light quarry]

Thats because most of the games so far have been fairly one sided

[tired anvil]

China strats are the most fun to watch.

[pearl stratus]

Spark had a main tank.

[light quarry]

Houston Toronto being the exception

[pearl stratus]

They still played weird shit too.

[light quarry]

Houston choked though

[pure mason]

any chance we'll see Dafran play Ashe at all this season? I haven't really followed the other games to see if she ever gets played

[sullen berry]

and would stop watching mirror comps

[light quarry]

bad Ult Usage

[karmic grotto]

perhaps if meta changes

[pearl stratus]

Houston, the slow play tank team, played non 3-3 too.

[clear crane]

if the meta is all goats, then how come we saw every hero besides doomfist so far

[light quarry]

Ashe got played by Fleta

[mossy locust]

@pure mason hard to say, we only say ashe for one map

[pearl stratus]

Most of these palyers have been playing goats for 8 months.

[tired anvil]

Bob lived for a very short time

[simple badger]

i want to see tanks completely phased out of meta, instead we shall go 3-3 but with 3 dps instead of tanks

[karmic grotto]

the bastion

[pearl stratus]

It's not going away instantly.

[clear crane]

bastion again

[light quarry]

Seoul ran a weird comp with Ashe/Pharah/Junkrat

[pure mason]

was it an Ashe - Mercy combo that got played

[balmy wolf]

also remember not playing on live patch

[light quarry]

yeah

it was

[pearl stratus]

They're not far behind

[frozen perch]

damn i was hoping for sym

[clear crane]

wow dafran bastion XD

[light quarry]

Pharamercy

[pearl stratus]

The armor nerfs are in, etc.

[simple badger]

dafran lol

[karmic grotto]

LoL

[pearl stratus]

The armor nerfs just didn't nerf goats

[clear crane]

pirate ship time

[balmy wolf]

on live patch, goats is honestly not that hard to overcome

[pearl stratus]

They nerfed dive.

[balmy wolf]

true

[clear crane]

LOL DAFRAN

[pearl stratus]

The only thing OWL is missing right now is the order of operations for damage.

[light quarry]

BQB do somethin

[pearl stratus]

Which imo wouldn't change what we see right now.

What we're seeing right now is 8 months of people playing a meta, and defaulting to it when they need to because its comfortable.

[quasi vault]

i just got here has dafran been popping off?

[pearl stratus]

I wouldn't say popping off, but he's been putting in work.

He had a small pop off on Tracer on Volks though.

[quasi vault]

noice

ty

[pearl stratus]

That's worth finding the clip for.

[tired anvil]

was that a nanomercy?

[mossy locust]

I think dogman accidentally boosted mercy

[pearl stratus]

Houston was doing Nano-Tracers earlier. People are trying lots of new shit 😉

[mental cliff]

Did anyone else see Pokpo wearing the wrong colors for a second or am I going crazy?

[tired anvil]

i think he was using fortify

[clear crane]

lmfao dafran

[mental cliff]

Ooooh that makes more sense

[quasi vault]

mirror comp goats is okay, but not all the time

[mossy locust]

stomps aren't fun in general

[feral jacinth]

One of atl sprayed the florida spray

[light quarry]

Im not really paying attention to this match rn, since its already over

[feral igloo]

This game reminds me why I like being here.. I hope everyone has fun watching their favorite team or players today.

[light quarry]

just waiting for Shock Fuel

[forest raven]

Watching the MLG stream

[feral igloo]

Goodnight chat

[mental cliff]

I want Goats to be one of multiple viable strategies

[hollow jasper]

MLG quality is good isn't it

[forest raven]

12k bitrate

[light quarry]

Fuel is who I rooted for going into Season 1 before switching to LAG

I still have my shit quality Fuel Jersey from before Pre Season started

the inagural season patch isn't a patch, its just a decal and its crooked

lol

[forest raven]

Dafran's gravs have been real pepo

[light quarry]

I bought a dragons jersey from after S1 ended and the quality difference is insane

[mental cliff]

I’ve been a shock fan since they were announced and now they’re finally predicted to be high tier.

[pearl stratus]

Atlanta has a few issues with panic ults. They'll go away over time, I'm sure.

[karmic grotto]

random gravs

[forest raven]

But Florida are just so shit it doesn't matter

[pure mason]

fucks up grav, then just cleans up anyway

[mossy locust]

how did florida mess that up

[karmic grotto]

lmao

[pearl stratus]

It's not as bad as Custa randomly pressing Q on Rt 66.

[karmic grotto]

Also

[serene tendon]

first 4-0 of the season

[pearl stratus]

If anyone remembers that.

[reef imp]

Absolute curbstomping.

[forest wharf]

yea his gravs are not great but his tracking kinda makes up for it

[pearl stratus]

Good ol' Qusta.

[karmic grotto]

Dafran needs to improve his decision making with Zarya, but since it;s an official match, they will do VOD reviews

[balmy wolf]

custa lol

[karmic grotto]

learn

and improve

and he become a monster

[clear crane]

dafran looks like hes high

[balmy wolf]

ive never seen a more boring lucio than tobi

dafran is eternally high

[karmic grotto]

lol

[clear crane]

prob a true statement

[frozen perch]

so do draws count as wins for the winning team?

[forest raven]

Daco

[pearl stratus]

They count as null.

[balmy wolf]

DAFRAN 100% WIN RATE IN OWL

[forest raven]

Wins aren't what's tracked, map differential is

[karmic grotto]

oof

[pearl stratus]

A draw is actually very bad for both teams.

[karmic grotto]

100% winrate

[pearl stratus]

Because no one gets the map score.

[frozen perch]

so why is the score 0-4

[karmic grotto]

first team winning 4-0

so far

[pure mason]

lol he looks so happy. bless

[forest raven]

A 2-1 game is the same as a 3-2

[pearl stratus]

There wasn't a draw?

[mossy locust]

well onto an actual match now

[karmic grotto]

huh

[quasi vault]

lets go duuude

[pearl stratus]

But a 2-1 game could have been a 3-1 if you didn't tie.

Which is not the same.

[karmic grotto]

4-0 right?

[clear crane]

uh wat?????????????

[balmy wolf]

map differentials = how much better you did compared to other team

[karmic grotto]

LuLW

[forest wharf]

[light quarry]

bruh

[forest raven]

Dafran

[simple badger]

dafran omegalul

[gilded peak]

Well, I guess he is advertised from Twitch Prime

[solar trout]

with the help of twitch prime I managed to pop off

[mossy locust]

plug

[karmic grotto]

memeing even on stage

[quasi vault]

lol

[pearl stratus]

Dafran fined, no longer allowed to stream.

[feral jacinth]

[proven tusk]

twitch prime ftw

[karmic grotto]

legendary

[clear crane]

BURGERFLIPPER

[simple badger]

TWITCH PRIME BOIS peace out lol

[karmic grotto]

Torbjorn

the real hero

[clear crane]

oof man

[forest wharf]

pretty sure hes said he was just gonna meme the interviews because he doesnt know what to actually say in them lol

[supple prism]

what

[cedar drum]

Twitch gonna fine Blizzard for fining Dafran for promoting Twitch prime

[light quarry]

Dafran is so awkward

[feral jacinth]

Dafrans teeth are too yellow for interviews

[clear crane]

dafran did a meet the player

[feral jacinth]

Its all the fuckin coffee he drinks

[forest raven]

Dafran said on his stream like 18 times that his interviews would be pepo af

[cedar drum]

@light quarry I think it's probably because he had the line ready and was nervous about delivering it.

[forest raven]

He delivered

[balmy wolf]

what did dafran say in not watching fml

[light quarry]

Nah

[pearl stratus]

I honestly just kind of want him to shave.

[light quarry]

Hes just awkward in general

[pearl stratus]

He's got that pubey patchy facial hair that makes me cringe.

[mossy locust]

@balmy wolf won with the help of twitch prime

[light quarry]

he was so awkward walking out, he walks really weird

[balmy wolf]

LOL

[pearl stratus]

You either need a majestic beard, or nothing

[karmic grotto]

you see

[cedar drum]

@balmy wolf basically "I won because if the power of Twitch prime"

[karmic grotto]

most people in esports are awakward

[light quarry]

low key walks like an Orangutang

[pearl stratus]

Like a Fragi Beard.

[clear crane]

Daco robbedddddddddd

[feral jacinth]

Smh

[pure mason]

he's awkward because he's a true video game geek. and that's why people love him.

[pearl stratus]

Fragi should be the only person in OWL allowed facial hair.

[forest wharf]

thats the look of peak performance br0

[clear crane]

but prob the best tracking in all of overwatch

[pearl stratus]

I'll wait till Sunday.

[karmic grotto]

he;s getting better

[cedar drum]

Mangachu fuming right now!

[pearl stratus]

Because he might have to track against Carpe.

[karmic grotto]

Sunday is the real test

[pearl stratus]

And thats going to be interesting for him.

[karmic grotto]

Fusion

ATL must learn the mid fights

[pearl stratus]

Because I feel like Carpe is going to shit on him if they get into a DPS fight.

[clear crane]

carpe shits on everyone

[pearl stratus]

Because its Carpe.

[cedar drum]

We need Mangachu in the league for the Torb v Torb

[clear crane]

so no surprise

[gilded peak]

Dafran player of the match?

Just for the hype?

[balmy wolf]

ofc

[mossy locust]

I want to see carpe vs diem

[cedar drum]

Carpe was insane of Zarya too yesterday

[mossy locust]

Diem did some sick snipes

[cedar drum]

Yeah I think carpe is just straight up better

[pearl stratus]

@gilded peak Yeah, PR. Also they subbed out Daco.

[pure mason]

no one shits on dafran in a tracer 1v1

[cedar drum]

Sbb

[forest wharf]

nlaer is probably gonna be the more carpe counter for the team if were talking dps

[pearl stratus]

If Daco had stayed in 100% it should have gone to him.

[cedar drum]

SBB can

[karmic grotto]

Daco good dva

[pearl stratus]

Daco was really noticeable when he was in.

[balmy wolf]

many can shit on him in a tracer 1v1

[clear crane]

Carpe is prob the best player in overwatch rn

[karmic grotto]

excuse me

[clear crane]

besides jjonak

[pearl stratus]

Best DPS.

I wouldn't say best player.

[pure mason]

nah, he is the best tracer in the world.

[balmy wolf]

i would argue carpe has been either #1 dps or close to #1 dps for the entire life of the game

[cedar drum]

I think people forget that teams probably have suggestions for who they want as player picked for MVP

[mossy locust]

helps that he has a great DPS partner

[tender osprey]

Dafran Popped Off

[pure mason]

other heroes there are plenty who are better than him. not tracer tho

[cedar drum]

Dafran getting it is better for business

[tender osprey]

In OWL

[cedar drum]

He sells merch and skins

[balmy wolf]

sinatraa got put on tracer above dafran

[karmic grotto]

???

[balmy wolf]

and sinatraa isnt even top 10

[karmic grotto]

above Dafran?

[balmy wolf]

(on selfless)

[clear crane]

cause sinatraa couldnt play genji on selfless

[gilded peak]

Sinatraa is trash

[karmic grotto]

lmao

150k worth of what

[gilded peak]

$150k for what? Sucking?

[balmy wolf]

dafrans best hero is soldier

[pure mason]

sinatraa above dafran on tracer... looool

[pearl stratus]

Saying Dafran is the best tracer in the world will only matter when he plays a real Tracer.

[cedar drum]

Time to bathe in pain, time to cheer for Fuel.

:'(

[balmy wolf]

i mean sinatraa is better than dafran on tracer

[pearl stratus]

All the ladder in the world literally doesn't matter.

[clear crane]

i wanna see striker vs dafran

on tracer

[mossy locust]

@cedar drum fuel is a team I love for the personalities

[tired anvil]

Shock has what. 5 dps players?

[pure mason]

I'm not basing it on ladder results, I'm basing it on gameplay observation

[mossy locust]

hate that they lose

[pearl stratus]

Gameplay observation from?

Ladder.

[cedar drum]

@mossy locust Yeah, I'm still gonna support them.

[balmy wolf]

yeah and the gameplay observing you did is from ladder

lmfao

[cedar drum]

But I expect a L

[pure mason]

dafran tracer = peak tracer

[balmy wolf]

dafran isnt even top 10 tracers

[gilded peak]

You should watch SSB and Profit

[pearl stratus]

Now you're just making Dafran look bad.

[balmy wolf]

and hes well aware of this too

[gilded peak]

Then comeback

[pure mason]

I've watched SBB and profit

[cedar drum]

Profit and SBB are definitely better

[balmy wolf]

hell, Soon is better lmao

[light quarry]

honestly

Effect is better

[pearl stratus]

From Ladder, or from their OWL games when they're playing not potatoes on LAN?

[clear crane]

u cant compare highlights in ladder to actual league play.....

[cedar drum]

Even if Dafran has better tracking, which I don't think he does, they are simply heyhe.r

[tired anvil]

do you guys think soon is going to go for those sneaky backcaps this season?

[balmy wolf]

the only hero im comfortable with saying that dafran is best at is soldier

[mossy locust]

well we dont have to theorize since it will happen soon

[pearl stratus]

When Dafran duels them in OWL, we'll see where he sits.

[clear crane]

give it a couple of weeks

[pure mason]

well ,we will find out my friends

[clear crane]

and actually see it happen

[pearl stratus]

Thats all anyones saying.

Ladder is literally worthless.

[balmy wolf]

and everyone in the entire overwatch league roster will agree that dafran is the #1 soldier

period

[clear crane]

prob

[light quarry]

yeah

agreed

[balmy wolf]

also yeah let me put this in perspective for you

[pure mason]

well we won't find out exactly becaues there is a lot of team play. but in a pure 1v1 match I have my money on Dafran

[balmy wolf]

What’s going on

[light quarry]

Tbf there's not many pro soldier mains anymore

[balmy wolf]

Lets rank it by skill, 1 being the least skill and 100 being the most skilled

[light quarry]

besides maybe Jake?

[tired anvil]

wow that sign

[pearl stratus]

I mean Soldier isn't good.

[analog lark]

Dafran's tracer is solid, his tracking is top 10 worthy if Tracer was just about that, but Tracer isn't all about tracking, you need to know how to manage blinks and recalls

[pearl stratus]

So there's no reason to main him.

[pure mason]

lol @ dafran not knowing how to managed blinks and recalls!!!

[mossy locust]

soldier jut hasn't been seeing to much play, its a problem of the character is meant to be a starter

[pure mason]

hilarious

[light quarry]

My favorite Tracer is probably Effect or Sinatraa

so this will be interesting

[clear crane]

i hope effect plays today

[mossy locust]

also a deep understanding of brig

[balmy wolf]

1- 4500 sr
20- avg tier 3
40 - top college league
60-70- top OD
80- contenders
90- academy contenders
100 - owl

[pearl stratus]

Sinatraa playing?

Doubt.

[clear crane]

sinatraa might play zarya

[pearl stratus]

He's their fourth worst DPS now.

[analog lark]

@pure mason he does, but SBB and Profit are better at managing them

[light quarry]

But honestly, Danteh was really good too

[pearl stratus]

Striker, Rascal, Architect.

[balmy wolf]

so if youre observing dafran at the 4500 sr level

[pearl stratus]

Rip Sinatraa.

[balmy wolf]

that has 0 indication on how he'll do in owl

do i want him to do well?

yes

i genuinely do support dafrans endeavor in owl and want him to both do well and be happy doing it

[pearl stratus]

Doesn't LAG's Zenyatta play Tracer at the 4400 level?

Since he never plays support on ladder.

Since ladder doesn't matter.

[pure mason]

the closest thing we have to measuring dafran 1v1 tracer level vs OWL tracer's is both him and pine doing 1v1s vs xqc

[light quarry]

honestly I just enjoy OWL. I support all of the players.

[balmy wolf]

it depends

[light quarry]

I never followed dafran before now

[clear crane]

too bad overwatch isnt 1 vs 1 lol

[balmy wolf]

theres some really shitty players

[pearl stratus]

I swear Biggoose and ... the other guy whose name I can never remember.

[balmy wolf]

shitty like shitty human beings

[karmic grotto]

Yes

[mossy locust]

shaz

[pearl stratus]

They said they literally never play their main heroes on ladder.

[inland pawn]

EFFECT PogU

[light quarry]

But I'll happily join Dafran bandwagon

[balmy wolf]

sinatraa, jake, even muma are just genuinely shit people

[pearl stratus]

So they don't learn bad habits.

[karmic grotto]

Sinatraa

Especially him

Being

How's that called

[balmy wolf]

and this is coming from an outlaws fan

muma is disgusting kmfao

[clear crane]

zacharee starting?

wow

[karmic grotto]

Yeeeet

[simple badger]

lol taimou so fat compared to the rest of the team

[karmic grotto]

Zackinthebox

[mossy locust]

effect looks like he has a wig on

[light quarry]

running Zach instead of effect?

oof

[balmy wolf]

Rck literally looks like ricardo milos

taimou somehow managed to gain weight while dieting

[pearl stratus]

@light quarry What.

[clear crane]

guessing zach plays brig and effect plays zarya

[mossy locust]

[pearl stratus]

Effect was literally right there.

[balmy wolf]

do you think harryhook forgot even more english

[pure mason]

ok. I'm out boys. look forward to watching dafran take on known players in coming games to see where he stands. night night

[tired anvil]

effect dyed his hair

[light quarry]

Not on starting lineup

unless im blind

[balmy wolf]

surefour is also annoying

[upper niche]

Wait, people are saying Shock are gonna be a strong team??

[pearl stratus]

Most people are.

[light quarry]

Shock is def gonna be strong

[pearl stratus]

They replaced all their bad people with better Koreans.

[simple badger]

how is s4 annoying

[tired anvil]

they got a lot of koreans

[pearl stratus]

So its a matter of cohesion.

[light quarry]

Top tier? Maybe. But good, absolutely

[serene tendon]

this production LUL

[pearl stratus]

If they can gel, tehy're good.

[balmy wolf]

i can only say for ladder/ranked play

[clear crane]

woah no viol2t

[pearl stratus]

Like we never have to see Super again.

[clear crane]

or striker

wow

[balmy wolf]

but surefour is fucking annoying to play with

[upper niche]

meh, they have a smurf on their team ;p

[pearl stratus]

@clear crane Viol2t is suspended.

[light quarry]

Surefour is my favorite OWL player.

[balmy wolf]

if you dont do every single thing he says he'll just berate and make fun of you the entire game

how is s4 annoying

[clear crane]

wtf for wat

[upper niche]

Running moth, don't they know she's not meta?

[balmy wolf]

oh ye

[upper niche]

😉

[pearl stratus]

Boosting

[mental cliff]

Oh wow it’s super! Word has it he’s soooo good at the game.

[clear crane]

LOLOL

[pearl stratus]

Like everyone else 😛

[light quarry]

Surefour is best Widow in the OWL as far as Im concerned

[pearl stratus]

7 people got suspended, all of them were for boosting.

Most were 2 games.

[clear crane]

except he got caught

[pearl stratus]

Unless you're Neko.

[mental cliff]

Aw horizon RIP

[pearl stratus]

Then you fuck with your investigation like a dumb shit

[balmy wolf]

oh i meant shitty as in shitty person not shitty player, s4 is a solid player

[pearl stratus]

And get 3 games.

[balmy wolf]

LOL

[upper niche]

goddanmit, we're >1 hour behind already.

[mossy locust]

to many breakes

[light quarry]

how is Surefour a shitty person

He's seemed pretty chill from everything ive seen on him

[tired anvil]

have they ever been on schedule aside from the first game of the day?

[pearl stratus]

It's not even the breaks.

[balmy wolf]

im just gonna copy and paste what i typed

[clear crane]

i heard he can act like a dick

[upper niche]

Its nothing to do with breaks. It was never gonna run on schedule.

[pearl stratus]

The breaks are the same as they used to be.

[balmy wolf]

if you dont do every single thing he says he'll just berate and make fun of you the entire game

[pearl stratus]

They're just more frequent.

[clear crane]

not sure how true it is

[pearl stratus]

The old breaks were for 5-6 minutes.

These are more often, but 90 seconds.

[upper niche]

Last year they put games in 2 hours slots and they still ran over. This year they're 90 mnute slots and the format is the same, what the hell did they think was gonna heppen?

[clear crane]

effect on tracer

ayyyyy

[pearl stratus]

The extension comes from Houston vs. Toronto going FOREVER.

[balmy wolf]

and then whine about how you cant do everythung perfectly the way he wants it to be

hes like jake

camera nice

[light quarry]

OW is a pretty toxic game

[balmy wolf]

shitty behind it

[upper niche]

Guess I'll be watching the two new teams on replay.

[light quarry]

Honestly I dont judge people for how they act in ladder

[pearl stratus]

Thats all that matters though.

[serene tendon]

unkoe what is u doin baybe

[light quarry]

If I did, I'd have to judge myself.

[pearl stratus]

No one cares about how you act till they can see it.

[tired anvil]

very unfortunate.

[upper niche]

@pearl stratus Only 11% of games ran 'on time' last season.

[clear crane]

just do be dreamkazper

dont*

[upper niche]

11%. With 2 hour timeslots.

[tired anvil]

oh hey. not goats.

[pearl stratus]

People love Sean Connery, dude went on 20/20 and said he slaps his wife around. No one gave a fuck.

He;s James Bond on camera.

[balmy wolf]

i mean i judge people on how they act regardless of wether a cameras on em or not

[pearl stratus]

All they cared about

[balmy wolf]

also i genuinely wantnto know at what point youre so good at something its ok to look over the bad shit you did

[wild willow]

LETS GO SHOCK!

[pearl stratus]

Hey Dallas.

Thats Rascal.

You should have signed him.

[clear crane]

same old dallas 😃

[balmy wolf]

lol rascal

[pearl stratus]

Oh wait.

[balmy wolf]

remember the BRING HIM HOME posters for him

[wild willow]

Wonder how many picks phara will get before they switch for a hitscan

[pearl stratus]

I know people love the kid.

But Zacharee is so underwhelming for me.

I've honestly never thought he was good enough for OWL.

[balmy wolf]

zach is so............... bleh

[simple badger]

sinatraa the 150k benchwarmer

[pearl stratus]

I'd be happy with that.

[balmy wolf]

he was great on tracer in ranked and in contendies but never "oh fuck hes zach watch out"

[pearl stratus]

Pay me 150k a year and I don't have to do shit?

That's called "the dream"

[balmy wolf]

thats us presidency right there

[light quarry]

the OGE chant lol

[pearl stratus]

Nah, only half the presidency.

[simple badger]

i agree

less than half

[pearl stratus]

They get what, 400k?

[simple badger]

us president salary is 400k

[whole mulch]

400k'

But Trump gets like 1 cent

[simple badger]

kappa

[mossy locust]

📞 Hey Rascal 📞 Fuel here 📞 can you come back

[pearl stratus]

400k to play golf, go to a random island, angry tweet for 6 hours.

Not a bad job.

[tired anvil]

and his business prospers from connections

[pearl stratus]

Choi just yoinked the fuck out of Effects pulse bomb.

Rip.

[light quarry]

If Sinatraa left Shock, What team do you guys think he should go to?

[pearl stratus]

Effects on Comms "KILL CHOI PLZ"

[whole mulch]

A team that needs a tracer

[cedar drum]

Ahh the pain

[light quarry]

I mean

[simple badger]

who needs a tracer these days

[pearl stratus]

Boston would be his best place, if he wants to shine.

[vagrant niche]

YO

[light quarry]

Sinatraa houston would be nice, but they have Danteh

[pearl stratus]

But he'd want too much money.

[vagrant niche]

the WOOOOO guy is back

[pearl stratus]

So Boston would never pick him up.

[vagrant niche]

[simple badger]

tracer isnt even good lol

[light quarry]

Not rn

[pearl stratus]

Boston is an upsell team, they want cheap talent they can develop and resell for profit

[wild willow]

WOOOO

[pearl stratus]

And just continue moneyballing.

[tired anvil]

used to be so dominant. not so much now.

[wild willow]

LETS GO SHOCK!

[light quarry]

But iirc this is the first meta that Tracer hasnt been good in

besides maybe Tank Meta way back in Season 2 comp

[simple badger]

i mean its been that way for close to a year now

but yea

[tired anvil]

wasn't double sniper a meta for a while?

[simple badger]

shes not good anymore

[light quarry]

yeah but tracer was still the best DPS in Double Sniper

besides snipers

[simple badger]

no she wasnt

[light quarry]

obviously

[pearl stratus]

....

[simple badger]

brig was in the game for double sniper

[pearl stratus]

Double sniper "besides snipers"

.... Wat.

[light quarry]

Brig isnt dps

[pearl stratus]

The point is Brig was there.

So Tracer wasn't.

[light quarry]

Tracer was still played a ton though

[pearl stratus]

That was when she had her Tracer Eraser combo too.

Yeah, and she died a lot too.

One shield landed and your Tracer got fucked like she was a Kardashian on a home video.

[mossy locust]

stunned

[pearl stratus]

Moth is going to be the only non-Korean on shock after a week. Prove me wrong.

Actually I bet they'll play Nevixx now and again.

[mossy locust]

hard to believe people think that deleting a character from playing ever mmeans balanced

[pearl stratus]

Nevixx is a flex god everyone respects.

[simple badger]

im surprised effect is still on fuel

[karmic grotto]

You know what's different, you have dps players playing Zarya, and real off-tank Zarya players

[cedar drum]

Why do I still root for Fuel.....what's wrong with me

[pearl stratus]

No one else was going to pick him up with those mental issues.

[karmic grotto]

@cedar drum Same

[pearl stratus]

So I think he had to stay.

And they have garbage DPS

[mossy locust]

same @cedar drum

[pearl stratus]

So they were scared to release him

[simple badger]

tru

[pearl stratus]

Who you going to play?

AKM and Zach?

Lol

[karmic grotto]

I don't want SFS to win, but Fuel to not lose

[pearl stratus]

Might as well just let Mickie DPS.

[simple badger]

nobody is playing dps anyway lol

[vagrant niche]

what is Zach even doing?

Effect was doing some work

[karmic grotto]

Feeding

[vagrant niche]

but what is Zach doing?

[karmic grotto]

Feeding

[pearl stratus]

Zach isn't impressive.

[cedar drum]

This is the first team I have seen in 2 days absolutely struggling with every single comp

[vagrant niche]

just put Mickie on brig

honestly

[pearl stratus]

I'm pretty sure Aero is the only one who thinks Zach is impressive.

[vagrant niche]

wtf

[mossy locust]

the fuel is entirety....average

[cedar drum]

Fuel, the team with 5 coaches

[proud sky]

Dude take out Zach holy shit

[karmic grotto]

Even Dragons played better without main tank

[pearl stratus]

The fuel has the capacity to be more than average.

[vagrant niche]

i'm going to spectate Zach next

i was on effect all time

[whole mulch]

Didn't Zach do well in Contenders?

[balmy wolf]

well zach only got on the fuel because of nepotism

[pearl stratus]

He did okay in Contenders.

[cedar drum]

Unkoe was dying in the first 5 seconds of every fight

[proud sky]

Zach didn't even hit a shot on widow first fight

[ashen umbra]

People are going to shit on Fuel, but SF is actually just playing the best game of OW so far.

[pearl stratus]

But they also had whoRu on FU while Zach was there.

[light quarry]

Zach did okay in contenders, not that I follow contenders, but I never heard of him till WC

[pearl stratus]

And whoRu was an I win button in Contenders.

He'd just 1v6 teams.

[cedar drum]

I think Aero picked Zach based on just his mechanical skill

[whole mulch]

When did Zach get signed to fuel?

[pearl stratus]

And everyone else looked good.

[light quarry]

Zach was signed in off season

[analog lark]

how old is whoRu?

[light quarry]

He was one of the first signings for season 2 iirc

[cedar drum]

Which is like an awful way to pick players

[proud sky]

Hopefully they make some subs jfc

[pearl stratus]

I think whoRu is 17 right now.

[cedar drum]

@light quarry Mmmm? Pretty sure he was one of the last ones.

[pearl stratus]

WhoRu will end up in a Korean team that has strict coaches, or he'll fail.

[cedar drum]

Closer was the one they picked very fast

[pearl stratus]

Dudes attitude issues are -so- bad.

I remember LH benched him for an Apex just to shut him up and prove they didn't need him so he'd chill.

[mossy locust]

that usually happens with some of the best players

[proud sky]

Is it going to be a repeat of season one Dallas Fuel

[solar trout]

Ugh, so rough with the last matches being so late every day

[proud sky]

MonkaS

[mossy locust]

great player but just a shit personality

[simple badger]

adk blades incoming

[pearl stratus]

LH did a good job keeping him in line.

[cedar drum]

If Fuel loses here....I'll be done, I'm gonna move on to Reign as my main team.

[pearl stratus]

But I think that was 90% RHJ.

[cedar drum]

Dogman seemed pretty fun and pog

[clear crane]

Sinatraaaaa

[cedar drum]

They got Dafran

[pearl stratus]

I feel like RHJ is the big brother everyone listens to.

[proud sky]

What are they doing

Subbing in akm for rck

😬

[pearl stratus]

Super?

Stop that Shock.

[cedar drum]

C tier main tank

[pearl stratus]

You're not winning that easily.

[mossy locust]

@cedar drum I did that in season 1 but its was philly, turns out its nice seeing a team you like win games

[simple badger]

sinatraa dansgame

[cedar drum]

Philly too

I like philly

[proud sky]

What a bunch of bots

[pearl stratus]

I feel bad for Super.

[cedar drum]

And they got pog skins

[pearl stratus]

He debuted with Space.

And the two are just...

Not comparible in terms of skill.

[mossy locust]

I like seouls skin for orisa

[pearl stratus]

And he's had to live with that.

[cedar drum]

Yeah Philly, maybe make them my first or second main cheer.

[mossy locust]

the black and gold on her is

[ashen umbra]

Now if Shock loses against a good Fuel round we get to read a chat full of how bad Super and Sinatraa are.

[pearl stratus]

I mean..

Super is a downgrade from Smurf.

Like a noticeable one.

[proud sky]

Dallas Fuel = Bots

[pearl stratus]

Smurf is ridiculously good.

[cedar drum]

Oge seemed to be the only one playing well last map

On fuel

[pearl stratus]

But its Stage 1 week 1.

[mossy locust]

@proud sky did you not see the ATL VS FL game

[pearl stratus]

Might as well play everyone for a map or two.

Get the jitters out

[mossy locust]

thats what bots look like

[proud sky]

Yeah i did i was like WOW

[cedar drum]

Yeah, it's not like Fuel is gonna defeat them

:(

[proud sky]

What a bunch of easy bots

Dallas is like hard bots atm

Lol

[cedar drum]

Let's make a new narrative....Fuel is Sandbagging, who's with me?

[simple badger]

thats how mafia works

[mossy locust]

[cedar drum]

Helps it make it less sad

[pearl stratus]

It's weird dropping rCK on Kings Row though.

[ashen umbra]

Crusty just decides to throw out his bad players. The "give ourselves less of a chance to win" strat.

[pearl stratus]

Like... Kr is a tank map.

It's always been a tank map.

Why... drop a tank?

[feral jacinth]

What does sandbagging mean

[proud sky]

they put in akm too what a bunch of bots

[pearl stratus]

AKM is their best Sombra, sadly.

[cedar drum]

@feral jacinth Intentionally playing bad to save strats

[ashen umbra]

🙄

[feral jacinth]

Ohhh ok makes sense

[cedar drum]

This is their 3rd player playing Sombra

[pearl stratus]

2:1:3 with an AKM sombra.

[cedar drum]

First 2 failed

Let's see

[mossy locust]

@cedar drum they might want to test their DPS players right now

[pearl stratus]

Ehhhhh

[mossy locust]

RCK wasn't doing that well

[cedar drum]

And here we go

[pearl stratus]

'Rofl

[serene tendon]

wrecking ball is so good

[proud sky]

Why is Zach still in 😬

[clear crane]

woahhhhhhhhhhh

[pearl stratus]

Choi just like "WEEEEEE"

[feral jacinth]

That was

[cedar drum]

:'(

[feral jacinth]

Wow

[mossy locust]

oh look fuel getting stomped

[clear crane]

dallas being dallas

lmfao

[cedar drum]

5 coaches!

[karmic grotto]

Oh my god

[tired anvil]

well. that happened

[cedar drum]

5 COACHES!

[pearl stratus]

Choi is so good.

[karmic grotto]

Here we go again

[mossy locust]

cocco is not a coach

[vagrant niche]

WTF

is this composition?

[karmic grotto]

ZACHAREEE

[feral jacinth]

That was hella clean

[balmy wolf]

welp, DF didn't approve at all

[pearl stratus]

I want them to play Choi + Nevix next.

[proud sky]

HERE WE GO BOYS

[karmic grotto]

The best player

[cedar drum]

@vagrant niche Cocco is their tank coach.

Jayne is support coach

[ashen umbra]

How would London have won that defense?

[vagrant niche]

where is the dps?

[karmic grotto]

Hmm

[vagrant niche]

WTF

[karmic grotto]

No dps

[mossy locust]

This hurts to watch

[karmic grotto]

Ez win SFS

[vagrant niche]

WOW

[mossy locust]

I cant een look at it

[vagrant niche]

wtf

[pearl stratus]

AKM didn't scout properly.

[vagrant niche]

mang

[cedar drum]

Worst team in 2 days

[pearl stratus]

He should have been waiting to deny the ball.

But he was still flanking

[cedar drum]

This is pathetic

[proud sky]

I'm about to just stop watching

[clear crane]

lmfao rolleddddddddddddd

[balmy wolf]

4-0 guys

calling it

[feral jacinth]

This is literally a steamroll

[karmic grotto]

Stop using the Sombra if you're not nyxl or seoul

[feral jacinth]

And yeah 2nd 4-0 of owl

[pearl stratus]

I love Shocks first point comp though.

[cedar drum]

Their players are busy Memeing on twitter and making promotional videos

[pearl stratus]

Two main tanks, and a Zarya.

[proud sky]

They need to drop their whole roster xD

[pearl stratus]

Because really Hammond is like.. Mainofftank.

[mossy locust]

tf no reason for that sound barrier

[whole mulch]

AKMBra

[cedar drum]

Ok akm is actually doing fine on Sombra now

[clear crane]

wtf is these ults

[cedar drum]

Better than Zach and rck

[simple badger]

akm emp lol

[proud sky]

👀

[clear crane]

akm gets too much shit lol

[proud sky]

What did OGE shatter xD

[cedar drum]

Akm is doing good now

[pearl stratus]

he shattered too early

[clear crane]

like wen he was playing tracer and genji

he doesnt play those heroes lol

[whole mulch]

Nice positioning by Sleepy

[simple badger]

he shattered the enemy rein shield

[cedar drum]

Nice

[mossy locust]

good reaction on sleepy

[cedar drum]

Nice nice

Go fuel.....I'm ready, I'm jinxing it!

[mossy locust]

he was underrated iirc

[whole mulch]

Sleepy?

[pearl stratus]

Sleepy wasn't underrated I felt. He was always ranked highly.

Viol2t is just a monster.

[clear crane]

viol2t will prob start once hes back

[cedar drum]

Nice nice

[pearl stratus]

Viol2t, for this meta, also plays a LOT of DPS heroes at a really high level.

[cedar drum]

Go akm

Go go

Show the haters

[whole mulch]

I feel like Sinatraa is extremely toxic to his teammates

[pearl stratus]

So when you go 1:4:1 you need your Zen to be able to pull something out.

[karmic grotto]

He is

[clear crane]

sintraa is prob toxic all around

he seems entittled

[cedar drum]

Sinatra oozes toxicity to everyone

[whole mulch]

He is entitled.

[karmic grotto]

Because he's was worth 150k

[short vault]

SLEEPY BEEN PRACTICIN

[cedar drum]

That Blizzard employee who was laid off

[short vault]

OKAY OKAY

[cedar drum]

Who did an ama

[mint turtle]

was

[mossy locust]

they should just jebait sleepy into using transcendence

[short vault]

been

[karmic grotto]

Decay is worth 300k (buyout? Sell?) and not even Decay would act toxic

[cedar drum]

He also strongly hinted Sinatraa was a massive dick to staff in the arena

[proud sky]

C999999

C99999

Lol

[karmic grotto]

Bad education

[cedar drum]

Did they actually c9?

[feral jacinth]

Wasnt a c9

[tired anvil]

they were dead and respawning though

[feral jacinth]

Just a steamroll

[cedar drum]

Yeha

[simple badger]

why do some ppl play with their keyboards like sideways lol

[mossy locust]

they didn't have the mobility to get to point

[clear crane]

dont think it was c9

[cedar drum]

Not a real c9

[mossy locust]

not a c9

[clear crane]

c9 is used too often lol

[pearl stratus]

@simple badger I think its for players who hunch.

[cedar drum]

Normie people's 'C9'

[tired anvil]

comfort probably

[short vault]

i dont think hes toxic with his team tho

[pearl stratus]

So that when you're hunching into the screen your arms are at a position like < >

[cedar drum]

Like what silvers think a C9 is

[karmic grotto]

Can't be toxic live

Off stream?

Yeah

[clear crane]

LAG should just call up XQC by now

replace Roar 😄

[cedar drum]

Anybody monitoring is Pov?

[pearl stratus]

xQc is just throwing when he's on your team.

[cedar drum]

Probably busy teabagging half the game

[whole mulch]

Your opinion doesn't matter unless you are high SR (1500 or higher)

[mossy locust]

a real c9 was defiant on numbani

[pearl stratus]

Because all you do is target him endlessly.

[short vault]

@cedar drum wheres the staff ama?

[pearl stratus]

And he rages.

[tired anvil]

OWL desks can't handle the slams

[pearl stratus]

And you win.

Look at any Dallas vs. Seoul game.

They just dunk on him, and he gets all pissy.

[cedar drum]

@short vault When were the layoffs? Tuesday? Open COW subreddit

Top threads past week

[pearl stratus]

Or watch the Canada vs. China OWWC game.

[clear crane]

if it works it works haha

[cedar drum]

You'll find it

[short vault]

aight ty

[pearl stratus]

Where xQc got so tilted he fed an entire province of China.

[karmic grotto]

Don't talk when your SR isn't higher than 2500. Keep that chat at high quality

[cedar drum]

Xqc is a gigantic dickhead

[karmic grotto]

No u

[pearl stratus]

I mean he still was a talented tank.

[mossy locust]

@whole mulch watch out you might offend those poor silver, and bronze players who ignore their own problems as a player

[pearl stratus]

He just didn't have the mentality for play, tilted too quickly.

[cedar drum]

Who gives a fuck if he had talent

[simple badger]

monetary units

[whole mulch]

@mossy locust It was a joke :(

[light quarry]

uh you dont have to have good SR to have game insight

[cedar drum]

Tons of talented people

[whole mulch]

I love bronzes

[feral jacinth]

Tfw im silver so i cant talk now

Rip bois

[mossy locust]

@whole mulch so is what I said as well

[light quarry]

half of the coaching staff are terrible at the game themselves

[cedar drum]

Nothing gives us the right to be a toxic shithead

[feral jacinth]

It was fun while it lasted

[karmic grotto]

Dallas fuel?

[pearl stratus]

....

Architect on Ana?

[karmic grotto]

SFS memeing

[cedar drum]

Jesus...fuel Dallasing this.

[pearl stratus]

"How much do you think Fuel is a threat?"

[karmic grotto]

They know they're superiour

[pearl stratus]

"We put a DPS on Ana."

[cedar drum]

Or Dallas Fueling this

[mossy locust]

lots of bronze and silver players tend to have a big ego

[clear crane]

if ur SR is crap u cant say someone in OWL sucks, but u can analyze their play

[light quarry]

^

[karmic grotto]

But if you anaylize their gameplay

[clear crane]

bronze and silver players they think they all tat haha

its pretty funny

[karmic grotto]

Will you apply it to yourself?

[cedar drum]

:'(

[clear crane]

the only thing u can apply analyzing is game sense and positioning

[mossy locust]

yea this match isn't writh watching

[feral jacinth]

Im watching owl so i can apply it to me

[pearl stratus]

I j ust feel bad for people Silver to Plat who think about things like Meta.

[cedar drum]

Just concede

Omg

[pearl stratus]

Because it doesn't exist for them.

[light quarry]

Knowing how the game should be played and playing the game yourself are 2 completely different things

[pearl stratus]

And they tend to fuck over themselves trying to adhere to it.

[clear crane]

mechanicals is all about your own self improvement

watching carpe on widow wont make u headshot 30% overnight lol

[vagrant niche]

Architech is screwing them up so hard

Zach can do nothing

[feral jacinth]

I mean more positioning and like

[mossy locust]

1v1 mystery duels are funny when people who I call 'aimbros' play

[clear crane]

otherwise u can learn positioning and game sense

[tired anvil]

anti's are ridiculous

[pearl stratus]

Also please note:

[balmy wolf]

welp im done, terrible match

[cedar drum]

Alexa....play sadspacito

[feral jacinth]

Yeah that legacy

[pearl stratus]

This is a 3:3 without Brig.

[feral jacinth]

Thats what im watching owl for

[balmy wolf]

Imagine supporting Dallas

[light quarry]

If coaching and analyzing were the same as improving yourself, All sports coaches would be players

[cedar drum]

Effect is still 20 charge

:/

[karmic grotto]

[pearl stratus]

For when you have someone who cries that that Brig is OP and enables the world.

[mossy locust]

yea you can pick pharah, ill just pick moira and chuck dmg orbs at you

[karmic grotto]

Dallas can't play goats

[balmy wolf]

Dallas can’t play OW 😉

[cedar drum]

Dallas should stick to Memeing on twitter

[pearl stratus]

Non-Brig Goats exists, I'm glad Shock played it though.

[karmic grotto]

They are playing worse than SHD.

[balmy wolf]

i dont think they'll be good even at dps heavy comps

[pearl stratus]

To shut some people up.

[karmic grotto]

C'mon

[cedar drum]

And making promotional videos

[karmic grotto]

I swear

[cedar drum]

Dallas? More like daSUCK

[balmy wolf]

their only notable dps is effect

[karmic grotto]

Dallas will lose to SHD

[cedar drum]

Zacharee is throwing

[balmy wolf]

Dallas just looks like they never practiced goats

[cedar drum]

Report him everyone

[balmy wolf]

So they can’t play it

[clear crane]

dallas has the wrong guy on brig

lol

[balmy wolf]

Goats isn’t as easy as some previous metas

[short vault]

selfless flashbacks

[cedar drum]

Zacharee needs to go back to contenders

[pearl stratus]

Goats requires you to have 6 people that work as a team.

[karmic grotto]

^

[mossy locust]

@balmy wolf twitch chat cares to disagree

[pearl stratus]

Dive was a lot about who has the better Tracer.

[balmy wolf]

Goats requires quit a bit of teamwork, twitch chat knows nothing about that

Plat chat

welps i guess the folks were right about the DF in the power rankings

[cedar drum]

Akm can only emp so many times

[karmic grotto]

They're below plat

[clear crane]

Goats is actually nice to watch

at the highest level

cause of all the teamwork

[cedar drum]

Rest of the team is mega suck right now

[pearl stratus]

I mean Goats isn't super fun to watch.

But you have to respect its intricate play.

[clear crane]

one mistake and ur fucked

[mossy locust]

I play mostly in diamond its sad when a team doesnt play goats at times, no communication and my team just runs up to their main tank

[cedar drum]

I find it fun to watch, sue me.

[pearl stratus]

There's a LOT going on in Goats at once.

[cedar drum]

Good Goats V Goats

[clear crane]

while in ladder 2-3 mistakes and u can be fine

lol

[balmy wolf]

Best match this weekend was Dynasty Glads because they barely played goats

[cedar drum]

Not this pathetic shit

[karmic grotto]

Ladder isn't teamplay

[pearl stratus]

Spark Shanghai was better, imo.

Minus HLC.

[clear crane]

spark shanghai was no goats at all mlfao

[balmy wolf]

Also good

[clear crane]

just a complete fuckfest

[pearl stratus]

HLC was awkward as fuck.

[karmic grotto]

HLC?

[clear crane]

horizon

[pearl stratus]

Horizon Lunar Colony.

[balmy wolf]

[karmic grotto]

Ah

[short vault]

damn huge difference between the 2

[pearl stratus]

Both Spark and Shanghai played Anti-Goats comps.

[karmic grotto]

The reaper

[clear crane]

4-0 incoming

haha

[pearl stratus]

But neither team played Goats.

So it just...

Yeah.

[cedar drum]

Fuel worst team till now

[pearl stratus]

It was weird.

[balmy wolf]

[cedar drum]

Even Mayhem was doing better

[balmy wolf]

dallas fuel needs to gut their entire dps roster

[feral jacinth]

Hlc looked like a gold game

[tired anvil]

Didn't SHD and Spark play Goats on Hollywood?

[feral jacinth]

Or dia/plat

[clear crane]

they did

[whole mulch]

You guys think Shanghai > Fuel?

[feral jacinth]

It was bad

[karmic grotto]

Yes

[pearl stratus]

Shanghai isn't bad by any means.

[cedar drum]

Shanghai is definitely better than fuel right now

[clear crane]

u cant judge shanghai rn

[vagrant niche]

Fuel looking pretty bad right now

[clear crane]

they dont have a main tank

lol

[vagrant niche]

worse than fuel

[karmic grotto]

SHD > fuel right now

[cedar drum]

Gamsu

[vagrant niche]

it's like they have no synergy

[mossy locust]

DF picked so many average DPS players

[clear crane]

whose not playing yet

[feral jacinth]

Like i was just like “this looks like my comp games and thats bad”

[pearl stratus]

They also are one of the few teams to have a hard week to start in terms of relative match ups.

[vagrant niche]

feels like one of my games on ladder

on plat

[balmy wolf]

Fuel should bring XQC back just to have fans again

[feral jacinth]

silver :((

[pearl stratus]

Even if Shanghai had a main tank, the Spark game was going to be close.

[clear crane]

runaway will prob 4-0 shd tho

[pearl stratus]

Same with the Runaway game.

[cedar drum]

Oge and AKM only ones doing good

[tired anvil]

just remember what space said, get a 144hz monitor.

[pearl stratus]

Both those games were going to be close no matter what.

[mossy locust]

I think XQC is in gladiators academy team IIRC

[viral horizon]

🐐

[clear crane]

he is

[balmy wolf]

He is

[pearl stratus]

Shanghai doesn't catch a real break till Stage 2.

[clear crane]

sub main tank

[pearl stratus]

Then they play like..

[cedar drum]

@mossy locust He's in nothing, he's done with the game.

[pearl stratus]

Washington, Chengdu, etc.

[cedar drum]

He's only technically in

For a Visa

[short vault]

fired up for 0-4 lets goo

[pearl stratus]

Thats the biggest thing to learn about this season - how stages fluctuate so much now because there's so many teams.

[cedar drum]

Everyone was right to place Fuel so low.

They trash

[pearl stratus]

Season 1 you played everyone, every stage.

So every stage was equal.

Now its not, at all.

You get hard stages, and easy stages, and mixed ones.

[clear crane]

regardless

every game and stage matters

for the playoffs in the aim

[solar trout]

regardless, fuel is looking like worst team so far

[clear crane]

u either go through bumpy roads early or in the end

[pearl stratus]

Agreed, but I'm more saying judging by a single stage won't even be enough

Because maybe thats their worst Stage for lineups.

[clear crane]

hence why ppl who are calling teams shit or good rn is ludicrous

[whole mulch]

The fact that this guys name is "Smurf" triggers me