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dire bane
Ik
pearl stratus
I think Boston might actually be weaker next week with Colourhex back in the line up.
dire bane
Hopefully
pearl stratus
Because they'll need to choose a MT.
dire bane
Anyway
pearl stratus
So do you go with Axxiom who can play the Winston as well
dire bane
I'm going to go to bed
pearl stratus
Or do you go with Fusions with the dominant Rein.
dire bane
And have a great rest
I go with spitfire
I believe in them
They probably can pull off goats after at least two more matches
They just need to get the rythm dowj
Well good night everyone
feral jacinth
I saw
serene spear
who we want to win here gang?
sullen berry
@mint turtle was that 1 per match
mint turtle
@sullen berry nope
its 3 per hour now
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really dogshit
we are basically down by 50%
so i only got 3 tokens for 6 hours of watching
rapid locust
was it constant watching, did you click off screen at all?
mint turtle
constant
ive checked with friends, they also got only 3
and i watched with 2 accounts at the same time, both got 3 tokens
mint turtle
but also its 'three League Tokens for every hour of live Overwatch League matches' that means gameplay, not stream time
so 6 hours of stream time =/= 6 x 3 tokens
rapid locust
time to complain on the forums :/
mint turtle
gaunt acorn
everyone only got 3 tokens today, it seems
rapid locust
it's more like which matches had any dps to begin with
ashen sedge
i saw quad dps twice the first game tho
thats was cool
the mercy kept flying around
rapid locust
shd vs spark had dps in it for most games
rapid locust
reaper, hanzo. phara, widow, tracer
I think there was a point when neither side had a brig
and bastion
glats did a sym attack on kings row
and sombra was scene the most
mint turtle
Swap mostly
There wasnt any grav dragon that I remember
Probably cause its countered by a single zen
sullen berry
Lucio DVa combo is pog
silk linden
Anyone know what was the peak viewers for day 1?
silk linden
Not bad if it doesn't drop too much going forward
ashen sedge
it prob will
ashen umbra
Plenty of goats, but plenty of surprises as well. Gladiators vs Dynasty was the game of the day for me. Unlucky for Shanghai with the Fearless situation. Hard to judge the Chinese teams since they are all playing against each other, but I imagine it was set up that way so no matter what China got at least two wins.
balmy wolf
@silk linden bring back avatar pfp
and also @ashen sedge theyre playing on like 3 patches before ive
goats has already been nerfed
ashen sedge
yes ik armor has been nerfed
theyre playing after that
pretty sure its current patch or like 1 before
brisk sand
Did The dragons win against spark
sullen berry
Even if dragons won
brisk sand
Oh I wanted dragons to win
silk dawn
someone call noob
shadow parrot
Does anyone know how many viewers there were during the first game of OWL?
im eu so i couldnt watch feelsbadman
gaunt acorn
@shadow parrot around 235k
shadow parrot
thanks
forest raven
brisk sand
Actually the peak was 220k-230k
gaunt acorn
sorry, i meant 235k
brisk sand
On that graph it says 250k during philly versus london
balmy wolf
Fusions was an absolute Chad last night
sullen berry
China viewership as a region is technically blizzard's life support
analog lark
Axxiom is actually decent at Zarya ngl
sullen berry
@forest raven I'm basically not impressed I had to be work all day and only got to watch spark vs dragons live
I love axxiom
forest raven
Rest in peace
sullen berry
I have no idea what his skill ceiling is
But it's apparent he can go higher than what gamsu had with enough time
vagrant cargo
I mean gamsu is overrated af @sullen berry
For me it was obvious that axxiom would bench him
sullen berry
As a fluent English speaker, I don't think he'd been benched
ashen umbra
Discussions on "skill ceilings" hurt my soul
vagrant cargo
But in a GOATs Meta its maybe smart to let fusions start
Kenobi huk confirmed that
He shared 50/50 scrimtime with Axxiom first
sullen berry
HuK is the same kind of guy who wanted an all Korean roster early on iirc
vagrant cargo
But they planned to give axxiom the starting role
Nah crusty wanted all koreans
HuK isnt a Fan of koreans
Thats the reason he sold neko striker
Kicked Kalios
sullen berry
@ashen umbra that's probably the excuse people make when spitfire played better than nyxl
But they have never shown that dominance since stage 1 lol
vagrant cargo
Spitfire we're always individualy the best Team
sullen berry
I should bring up my predictions again, which factored in spitfire as a play in only team
vagrant cargo
Also Spitfire always had close series we're they showed their class
sullen berry
They don't need to worry about being a top 6 team if they can just secure the 7th place spot
vagrant cargo
But it wasnt enough in the later stages
When other teams developed great teamplay
Same for dynasty+they had Miro and jehong on Zen who was a free kill back then
sullen berry
They absolutely had an unstoppable presence at the start, I can expect Vancouver & Spark predictions are riding on that same caliber of performance
No wekeed vs spitfire now omegalul
vagrant cargo
Yeah in Stage 1 only a few teams had good Teamwork
twin cobalt
But after stage one is where the meta and rosters changed
ashen umbra
I'm confused.
twin cobalt
And led to the rediculous spitfire we knew during season 1
twin cobalt
Seoul looked decent but faltered due to fissure being unhappy
vagrant cargo
What
tight zephyr
That graph only shows twitch viewers?
limber pine
yes
tight zephyr
Cuz owl is now viewable on ESPN app
vagrant cargo
Seoul never had fissure in OWL season 1
sullen berry
It excludes the much higher Chinese viewership
twin cobalt
Wait am I confused
vagrant cargo
Seoul faltered cause other Teams exploited Miro and jehong
twin cobalt
It was glad my bad sorry 
tight zephyr
So easily looking at 1 million plus viewers
sullen berry
@gaunt acorn wheres my apology letter from blizzard about fanatics
vagrant cargo
Also glads didnt really falter
gaunt acorn
still not published
vagrant cargo
They got better Stage 2 stage
sullen berry
🤔
tight zephyr
Will they publish it?
gaunt acorn
rumor has it
tight zephyr
Rumor has what....
ashen umbra
Teams don't need to falter to lose. Sometimes two teams play great. Someone has to lose. GLA vs SEO was really my favorite match of the day because the teams played so hard against each other through out.
sullen berry
@gaunt acorn were revisiting stage 1 season 1, compared to today's matches since I missed the surprises thanks to work
gaunt acorn
that they'll publish it?
twin cobalt
What was the apology for?
sullen berry
Fanatics selling at higher prices than season 1 jerseys, International shipping and inferior quality jerseys
twin cobalt
Ah
ashen umbra
Fanatics always goes on sale
sullen berry
Chinese fans have to wait for their own store or face the same struggles as the rest of the world outside US
twin cobalt
Ouch
ashen umbra
From the dawn of time, Fanatics has priced their shit higher and just had sales every other day.
sullen berry
When would you need to wait for the sale
gaunt acorn
well most hardcore owl fans aren't buying
sullen berry
Since the markup is basically out of impulse anyways
warm quartz
Welp rip SHD.
sullen berry
@warm quartz hello there 👋🏻
Shanghai did perform btw
Not to map 5 levels
But for geguri on Hammond, it's going to be an improvement over just D. VA
warm quartz
Diem was the standout to me last night a little
Mostly cause i ended up falling asleep during the third map
sullen berry
Controversial opinion, Shanghai can't net a win this stage unless the team they play against still thinks freefeed is still on Dragons
limber pine
Once Shanghai gets a real main tank, they'll be fine
vagrant cargo
Twitter
sullen berry
Surprised gamsu didn't play
vagrant cargo
Milkyman is right
limber pine
i don't know if NYXL's was so much better as Boston's was just terrible
but I see the point
Boston lost matches because they layered ults
sullen berry
NYXL's Goats still being refined tbh
balmy wolf
They said during the broadcast gamsu hadn’t played with that team enough yet
vagrant cargo
I mean Fusions solocarried often as rein
sullen berry
Fucking Daemin approach though
balmy wolf
^
sullen berry
Fusions yes
vagrant cargo
And out of all reins his performance was the best yesterday
because he knows how GOATs works
balmy wolf
I enjoyed Dynasty the most last night just because they barely ran goats
They were by far the most creative
warm quartz
balmy wolf
Anajehong, bastionjehong, it was great
sullen berry
I swear it was match 5 potential
warm quartz
i was happy to see the first hero damage by sym in the OWL last night
balmy wolf
Yeah symm carries the first point too
vagrant cargo
Tf is this image
balmy wolf
Carried*
vagrant cargo
Xd
warm quartz
Its Fusions!
balmy wolf
That symm tp for flank was godlike
warm quartz
He's also steve from minecraft
sullen berry
Is that not some kind of leprechaun underneath
warm quartz
Yes, its xqc in a steve disguise.
But i do wonder, who will get the first punishment of OWL S2
vagrant cargo
There are already several punishments
warm quartz
Oi i cant even play ow anymore due to pc restraints so im not with it
sullen berry
I bearly play anything past arcade and placements for the rank
sullen berry
!!when we Gonna have an update to the discipline tracker
young fractalBOT
Soon™
warm quartz
Gotcha
warm quartz
Good job guys clap
sullen berry
But envy hasn't played well against them in the past
little silo
Sucks that we have to wait to see Violets performance
I was really looking forward to him
balmy wolf
Compensate me with 1500 so I can buy the spark roster
sullen berry
And I couldn't care, thankfully
little silo
Thats a lot
balmy wolf
My goal is to complete the spark set..... for free
balmy wolf
I had it always on last night and got 3 tokens. Hopefully it’s fixed tonight
sullen berry
Doubled up on a few Pacific teams because they hooked me up
ruby pendant
would have been cool if blizz gave out some tokens
sullen berry
1 per hour of live matches btw
tight zephyr
Buy the skins
sullen berry
Cost cutting blizzard in 2019
tight zephyr
With cash
sullen berry
@tight zephyronly if you can't get them for free
balmy wolf
I could but I don’t want to
sullen berry
Also cash for virtual items?
tight zephyr
As a shareholder, please spend your cash on skins
limber pine
kenobi that's about the same rate as season one
sullen berry
@limber pine it is, but more more per day
Adds up per week really
Why do these games gotta be on Monday here smh /s
limber pine
I like how Mr. X said yesterday "Ilios is a great map for all these long range heroes".
both teams roll out GOATS
limber pine
also EQO did not have a great Brigitte day yesterday
sullen berry
Sado er
Apparently he did well?
But gesture
Was he carrying on rein or something
ruby pendant
nah
light quarry
Gesture was just playing really well all game tbh
He was probably the most consistant versatile player
Surefour played more heroes but Gesture performed better on more of the heroes he played.
warm quartz
I mean why would Blizzard give us more coins when they could make you buy them because they just cut a bunch of employees
To give them money to afford new people
ruby pendant
have good publicity
warm quartz
When have they cared lol
sullen berry
Kotick isn't the kind of guy who wants to do something thats not top heavy
ruby pendant
sometimes they do with the suspensions and etc they pass out.
Tokens are not a big deal though, just would have been nice to get some more!
warm quartz
I agree but to some people it is
pearl stratus
It's usually the people who can't get tokens who make a big deal out of them
Ireland etc.
Where they're not allowed to have them.
pearl stratus
Tokens are viewers. They want everyone to have tokens btw.
Thinking anything else is just wrong, and stupid.
Giving an extra 150,000 tokens away every hour means an extra 50,000 viewers. Which means more sponsors, etc. Ezmath
feral igloo
Tfw we will never see declining lunatic hai EscA vs rising dafran matchup
😰
I think EscA once said that the competition was catching up and that stages 1-3 wouldn’t have gone much different with his presence
torpid charm
Woohoo!!!
sullen berry
Considering the newness of player burnout? Probably
feral igloo
But I beg to differ with gido on dps instead of support as his dou
feral igloo
Cause gido never like felt the pressure of having to deal damage. Maybe support is less pressure and he can turn up? 
pearl stratus
They probably won't still have Gamsu.
torpid charm
I’m sad I only got to watch the Fusion game last night
pearl stratus
So I'm saying 80-20 in favor of Runaway.
feral igloo
You know what would be hilarious? @sullen berry
torpid charm
I also wanna see Gamsu play but it’s too soon sadly
feral igloo
If Seoul played Zunba, tobi, and jehong and they still 3-0 former runaway with half their roster gone
That would restore hope tbh
I wish
pearl stratus
Eh. Seoul still looked rough yesterday.
sullen berry
Actual upset sans fissure carry would be dope
feral igloo
I have a feeling that this is the first time Seoul will lose to runaway..
pearl stratus
LAG played really shoddy and never shifted to dealing with RHJ on Ana.
They left him alone WAY too much.
pearl stratus
And the Ana was the only reason Fissure didn't die every 3 seconds.
pearl stratus
Two very different styles though.
feral igloo
I think fissure is like.. a little bit above miro but not by much.
pearl stratus
Fissure is over aggressive and can downright feed.
sullen berry
No marvel is playing like it's the Pacific showdown
proven kestrel
fusions pog
feral igloo
Thing about fissure is he’s trying to fulfill and match miros aggression in an attempt to make his former lunatic hai teammates feel great again. At least that’s what I can deduce from watching his decisions, that Seem similar to miro
warm quartz
Im still annoyed fusions didnt get mvp
proven kestrel
nyxl gay
feral igloo
If fissure can carry Seoul to the overwatch season 2 finals vs dafrans team I will forgive him for everything he’s said on Twitter.
warm quartz
JJonak is just the OWL's patriots quarterback (i dont know his name im sorry)
proven kestrel
lmao im from boston
pearl stratus
I don't think you'll see Atlanta going more than midpack.
They have way too many weak points.
proven kestrel
I hate nyxl cuz im from boston
sullen berry
If they still do player of the day endorsements by the casters, fusions probably would be up there @warm quartz
proven kestrel
when is FLOW3R gonna play
pearl stratus
When someone gets injured.
warm quartz
Player of the day is the MVP of the match thing i think
proven kestrel
lmao ok
sullen berry
@proven kestrel just how deeply seeded is the ny vs Boston rival in sports?
feral igloo
New teams have an advantage. Nobody can watch their shit and study them. You saw this yesterday when gesture primal raged and got dva boosted off the map in the same fashion as miro. People catch up when you have videos out there. So I think dafrans team will have a chance for this reason of obscurity.
proven kestrel
pretty deep man
pearl stratus
@sullen berry It's really not. Most just white trash townies push it a lot.
sullen berry
Your bench is gonna grow some plants
warm quartz
I want to see Flower and Geguri, two of the arguably youngest people in OWL going head to head
pearl stratus
Flowers not good enough to take the spot from Libero.
And not a good enough Zarya to even move Nenne an inch.
proven kestrel
idk but ppl think FLOW3R is rly good
feral igloo
I want to see geguri vs Zunba. Zunba played zarya because of geguri. Teacher meets master
warm quartz
So yeah only if someone gets hurt sick or suspended
proven kestrel
ya
pearl stratus
Too many injuries, not enough treatment.
And a new aiming style so he doesn't continue to fuck up his hands.
warm quartz
Flower is someone i kind of like cause well, he's my age and it's cool to see someone my age up there.
sullen berry
Analysts who make litmus tests to Sinatraa have very dated thinking
feral igloo
People still talk about lunatic hai squad being world champions if their team was united, it’s not about living in the past. It’s about a promise of potential.
pearl stratus
It's Reddit Rhetoric.
They latch onto stupid memes because they're generally insanely uneducated about the game.
And typically only watch highlights or OWL.
warm quartz
clap C9 clap
pearl stratus
Anything that happens near the point is a C9. It's so obnoxious.
sullen berry
J LUL K E
feral igloo
OWL team contracts are a promise of potential. Nothing more. Hoping flower or EscA do well in the face of a struggling season is perfectly reasonable.
warm quartz
Everytime someone is forced off the payload and loses (Zarya grav)
pearl stratus
Or my favorite is:
warm quartz
Im still pissed at the guys on reddit saying Geguri was only picked up for the gender card
pearl stratus
[x] is a garbage [y]. Judging from SIX months ago.
feral igloo
Though I think flower only shined in the World Cup once or twice because he had the backline of lunatic hai. I don’t think he was ever “insane”.
pearl stratus
He was really good, but then he got really injured.
And it wasn't a recovery that would put you back at the same point.
Most injuries, not matter what, dull you down.
feral igloo
Yeah. Everyone does. Seoul’s entire A team got wrist injuries
warm quartz
Geguri for gender, muma for lgbt. 
yeah cause every team does that
sullen berry
Hello 📞 :4Head: (team name)?...
feral igloo
So is there any cure for wrist injuries in esports?
I have a new get rich quick scheme.
sullen berry
Flick without the wrist
pearl stratus
Arm aim more than wrist aim, lol
warm quartz
As someone who had carpal tunnel and had to wear a wrist brace till i got a new keyboard with wrist support
pearl stratus
Thats about it.
sullen berry
Use your ankle /sp
warm quartz
Yeah it hurts like hell and puts a damper on things
You can only play for so long before you literally cannot move your fingers
feral igloo
No.. invent some kind of procedure for recovering bone density and mass to it’s original value after heavy levels of stress. Finding out how would be difficult. why do wrist injuries occur? What happens to your bones?
sullen berry
Wrist flicks don't take up a whole of mouse pad real estate
warm quartz
In which its either power through to finish or leave the game
sullen berry
@feral igloo sound like bone juice to me
feral igloo
If you invented something like that, you’d be a billionaire, easily.
pearl stratus
Usually its repeated stress injuries for that stuff Stella.
feral igloo
Invent bone juice for gamers
warm quartz
RPIs hurt k
feral igloo
Can’t you get bone juice from fetus?
sullen berry
If you don't rest it, they only get worse
sullen berry
Grinding teeth was my biggest season 1 discovery
feral igloo
Just experiment with growing bone marrow and inject bone juice into Zunbas or flowers wrist, problem solved.
Easy
200 iq
sullen berry
You kept seeing jake on stage chewing gum so he doesn't wreck his teeth with all that in game stress
feral igloo
Really?
I see Danteh walk in the arena high as fuck sometimes but he could be sleepy
sullen berry
I was there
feral igloo
can the pros smoke a blunt before their games?
sullen berry
When Sleepy was Woke
feral igloo
Is that possible?
warm quartz
Yeah during my time in OW i kept skittles nearby
warm quartz
Smokey
feral igloo
Like imagine if you had a game in ten minutes and you said “hey coach can I step outside and make a call to my mom?” And you just blazed it out outside the arena
That would be better than fucking chewing gun 24/7
warm quartz
Chewing gum= CAVITIES
feral igloo
I always scrim while high and it definitely helps
sullen berry
One of the Seoul tanks smokes packs
feral igloo
Wouldn’t be surprised if some nibbas were smoking it out before games too
Zunba?
Zunba chain smokes
He says he smokes 5-7 on a normal day and more than 7 on hard days
I remember clearly he said that xd
sullen berry
Definitely felt that losers' streak by stage 4 and missing the postseason
sullen berry
I thought chain smoking was when you share a smoke with others
feral igloo
I feel like London robbed Seoul of their title. I don’t know why. I just feel like it should be them on stage and not London.
Nah chain smoking is smoking one after the other after the other as soon as the previous one dies out
sullen berry
It was all NYXL's fault! /s
feral igloo
Yes
wait no
I blame it on fraud
I think that the head coach
Was a previous uhh gc busan coach right
So naturally... why else would he put gido on support and start him and bench miro for their biggest game?
sullen berry
Nyxl literally influenced the entire community countdown by playing meme comps and players on different roles during the scrims
Did they get the blame? Hello??
feral igloo
It just seems like he wants lunatic hai to lose because he admires his old team
I blame the head coach entirely for making choices that would put them at a disadvantage
It seems like he was sold out to London to make these choices or maybe he just did it because he hates lunatic hai
Like why give away bunny or miro?
Fire hocury
And get that guy back from meta Athena
I don’t blame nyxl. I just blame the coach of Seoul
sullen berry
Bunny competes with munchkin for playtime on the same hero pool
feral igloo
Like Seoul would’ve won with their A team and if they weren’t playing musical chairs with the roster
Munchkin or bunny
They should’ve won with their A team if they consistently played
Nobody just drops off like that
sullen berry
Assuming Bunny was the B team (coincidence, eh)
feral igloo
I blame the coach for this
Yeah but
Bunny has experience already with the tank and support line so I’m bias towards him more than munchkin
sullen berry
Have to wait and see if Xepher's contribution amounts to anything of value on Florida Mayhem vs Atlanta Reign
feral igloo
Like I get he tries to solo carry and team-play less but with a little time the guy could’ve improved
Yea
vagrant cargo
Seoul was overrated pre OWL
vagrant cargo
And i expected them to flop
vernal obsidian
seoul was perfectly rated in owl s1
sullen berry
Not as overrated as EnVyUs into the Fuel
vagrant cargo
Not by me
vernal obsidian
but they didn't adapt past dive
sullen berry
Never understood the rivalry and before xQc suspensions they didn't show signs of being an underdog team
vagrant cargo
And neither did they qualify for a stage playoff
feral igloo
They flopped because their main star player quit before the season even started. EscA eviscerated the teams hopes by quitting and miro and gido leaving further dwelled the team into chaos. Seoul was by large a bigger let down than Dallas because the casters and analysts predicted Seoul to be the reigning champions no contest.
sullen berry
They learned, they need koreans dive to make their team competitive now
vagrant cargo
Also lunatic hai was doing poorly in APEX s4
ruby pendant
miro wasn't playing good for a while
feral igloo
They were convinced that Seoul would win by a large margin no matter what.
sullen berry
OWL for Dallas is a full circle redemption arc
vernal obsidian
jehong was godly by pre owl standards
feral igloo
They have golden colors for crying out loud. And their team name says dynasty. They are the Brazil of overwatch
sullen berry
We will begin the cycle come GZ vs Dallas
vagrant cargo
Jehongs Zen was overrated af
feral igloo
Whatever Brazil is to soccer, that’s Seoul to overwatch
vagrant cargo
And jehong is still overrated af
feral igloo
Or lakers to basketball
vagrant cargo
I mean brazil is good tho
sullen berry
Not many Ana mains in the league could even hit a rip tire with a grenade too
feral igloo
So Seoul isn’t any different
vagrant cargo
EU is the best Football Region
vernal obsidian
brazil is brazil because of Pelé
vagrant cargo
Also brazil got into Playoffs
sullen berry
Brazil is Brazil thanks to Alemao
feral igloo
If space can be allowed to play a single game, it’s not fair to say Seoul was overrated and they played like shit. They are back to back to back champions. They deserve to be their to compete even if they become a middle pack team and play like shit forever.
vagrant cargo
Apex Champions
feral igloo
1 World Cup and 2 apex titles
vagrant cargo
Apex aint owl
vagrant cargo
they won undeserved in APEX S3
ruby pendant
lol hardcore dynasty fan
vagrant cargo
KDP was better imo
feral igloo
That’s why the casters always say “oh this guy has apex experience”
vagrant cargo
Dynasty aint LH as well
sullen berry
@feral igloo I don't see your point when the schedule scales poorly with OW league
vernal obsidian
I find it confusing that there's a BU member called Fusions
vagrant cargo
Also i dont get how losing against EU Teams is bad in Worldcup
EU is basically the SK in Football
sullen berry
@ruby pendant just keep them here for another 3 months, it's not like we get any conversation after the live game /s
feral igloo
I’m not saying the overwatch league is easier than apex. Just that the level of competition were at times, More stressful than OWL. Shorter seasons, less teams, one or two losses and you’re out.
vagrant cargo
The only Region that is close is SA
feral igloo
Stress and pressure is what’s going on in overwatch games
vagrant cargo
No shit
feral igloo
So that’s why apex players do well in owl
Which is why Seoul was expected to be the best
vernal obsidian
stress will be reduced due to more teams and so each team will be able to chill more
feral igloo
Just because a few people on twitter said the champions were undeserving, you have people saying space is the best dva. There’s players that don’t deserve to be in owl and I think space is one of them.
feral igloo
But Seoul definitely is good dude. They were always a middle pack team
vernal obsidian
Space and NotE compete for best dva
vagrant cargo
How does space not deserve to ve in OWL
feral igloo
Space is absolute horseshit xd
vagrant cargo
What
balmy wolf
I like dallas
balmy wolf
vernal obsidian
Fusions is best Rein s2
feral igloo
He talked shit in the World Cup and got clapped
ruby pendant
@sullen berry lol true
sullen berry
You're probably referring to Hydration
vagrant cargo
Space is also Valiants best player
vernal obsidian
Space eats more gravs than anyone
sullen berry
Yes, a man of few words during interviews
vagrant cargo
A top tier Team that won stage 4 and 4-0ed Seoul in stage 3
sullen berry
But on twitter he was roasting team uk
sullen berry
Dinoflask Kaplan predictions were right after all, what with their beautiful gaming hands
feral igloo
That kind of reaction you have towards space is the same I have towards miro. Miro has a way more successful career than space and comparing them is like comparing Ronaldo to some random high school goalie from Mexico. But my point isn’t that space is horseshit, I actually just said that to trigger a response but he is a decent dva. I’m not impressed though.
pearl stratus
It was successful.
vagrant cargo
When he flopped in OWL
pearl stratus
He's garbage now because he couldn't modernize.
sullen berry
A friendly reminder you are comparing the OG main tank with an Off-tank from NA
feral igloo
He made more money over a course of two years and space has only been a pro for a few weeks
Lol
pearl stratus
He can barely stay out of masters on ladder.
feral igloo
but he was never a champion
vagrant cargo
Also Ronaldo is still top tier
feral igloo
He never made as much money as miro
pearl stratus
It's actually kind of painful to watch how far Miro has fallen in terms of being good.
feral igloo
Like the money that nyxl makes now is how much lunatic hai made back then
vagrant cargo
And? that doesnt change the fact that he rigjt now is way better
And the second best offtank in OWL
pearl stratus
Second best is too high of a rating.
vagrant cargo
While Miro didnz do anything besides feeding in OWL season 1
pearl stratus
Meko and Fury alone instantly puts him at third.
pearl stratus
Well thats just wrong.
feral igloo
that means miro has a more successful career than space. Until space makes the same amount of money over the same amount of time or wins titles. At least that’s how korean culture judges esports success and since esports was founded in Korea, I’d oblige to their scales
pearl stratus
This is like the xQc people saying he's a good MT.
vagrant cargo
Meko is the third best
sullen berry
@feral igloo you are marginalising a career past its prime. I can support less of what you say if you understand that you are forgetting that other apex teams like Rogue exists too who trounced LH
vagrant cargo
@feral igloo than korean eSport culture is stoopid
Just because someone Had sucess
Doesnt mean he is still good
feral igloo
The only reason we’re here playing esports is because it was made in Korea first
Lol
pearl stratus
I mean no one cares about him in Korea anymore.
feral igloo
That’s like saying Brazilian soccer rules are stupid when Brazil invented soccer
pearl stratus
He's just the tank who got outshone by RHJ on Winston in Season 1.
feral igloo
Like what
sullen berry
But yes Korea is the establishment for esports because it has and continues to be accepted ✅
vagrant cargo
Space performed absolutely top tier in OWL and in Worldcup he was by far the best player from USA
feral igloo
Space will never be a champion
vagrant cargo
So how can u say He is horseshit
Well fleta never was a Champion as wrll
is he bad now?
sullen berry
China only a few weeks ago have they validated becoming a pro player as a viable career path among its citizens
vagrant cargo
Also back then the Level of OW was way lower
feral igloo
Until he matches his achievements, I will refuse to believe that this guy that nobody’s heard of before the OWL is somehow better than a guy who was relevant for years
vagrant cargo
WTF
sullen berry
/shrug
worn falcon
Wat
pearl stratus
No offense Stella.
ruby pendant
lol stella trolling
sullen berry
Stella is right
vagrant cargo
just because u never Heard of space he aint bad
sullen berry
Kappa
feral igloo
Not when you’re comparing lunatic hai to the same level of the Shanghai Dragons
vagrant cargo
Just because u arent familiar with the western scebe
feral igloo
“This team lost against two Koreans teams so now they’re horseshit!”
pearl stratus
NTB overrates Space a bit, because he's not top two. But Miro isn't even in a discussion of tanks anymore.
vagrant cargo
Nobody Heard of EQO
pearl stratus
And hasn't been for a year.
feral igloo
People have heard of him actually
sullen berry
It's a bit Rose tinted thinking that Miro is exclusively and remain the best talent barring Mano, gesture, Mickie (s1 apex), sado, fragi...
vagrant cargo
So did people heard of space
pearl stratus
No one cares about the past though.
sullen berry
That's what people are mistaking you for, apparently @feral igloo
pearl stratus
He stopped being relevant a long time ago, even with all his success.
vagrant cargo
Endoken speaking the T
feral igloo
In his defense, korea is a small country and he only speaks Korean. NTB just glories space like some kind of holy trinity for dva players
vagrant cargo
At least space had Impact in OWL
pearl stratus
Which is why its funny from the outside.
You found a player and you're overhyping it.
feral igloo
Yes, but I acknowledge he isn’t one of the best or even close right now. Only that given time with his original roster, he could definitely stand a chance.
vagrant cargo
Space was heard before in NA
vagrant cargo
^
sullen berry
Caster Miro > Streamer Miro > Miro tank Seoul Dynasty
vagrant cargo
Barely staying 4K LMAO
pearl stratus
You forgot RHJ Winston before Miro tank GZ 😛
feral igloo
Coluge on dva is probably leagues beyond space
pearl stratus
Coluge doesn't play.
vagrant cargo
But Sure l space is horsheshit
pearl stratus
So it doesn't matter
vagrant cargo
Coluge isnt even that good
feral igloo
He’s still top ten
vagrant cargo
People overrate him
pearl stratus
Not when he's a ladder only player.
vagrant cargo
If he would be that good why wasnt he even in the 12 man USA roster
pearl stratus
He's not going anywhere with Second Wind.
feral igloo
he went 4-0 the entire season dropping games only to FU and NRG, he’s arguably OWL material.
pearl stratus
We all know he'll fuck it up.
vagrant cargo
Second wind did that
feral igloo
Yeah he’s a stupid runt but he’s skill on dva is insane
pearl stratus
He's also not worth a pick up.
Because he's cancer.
No one actively gives themselves cancer.
vagrant cargo
And arguably owl Material isnt even close to space
feral igloo
But Jake is cancer
vagrant cargo
Even If top 2 is debatable
karmic grotto
Space is good
vagrant cargo
He is for shre the best Western OT
karmic grotto
I'd rate space very close to fury
sullen berry
Ladder
Krillin
Jjonak
Fahzix
feral igloo
if that’s true then why did he lose during the first match of blizzcon to UK, a team of nothings?
vagrant cargo
And Envision
feral igloo
Some dva player xd
sullen berry
Ah thanks
pearl stratus
Anyway, I'm not entertained enough for a troll argument with an idiot.
vagrant cargo
agreed
sullen berry
Not fahzix, thinking someone else from the NA half of Justice Roster
pearl stratus
I don't have crayons at work.
vagrant cargo
Shes just trolling at this Point
vagrant cargo
UK had boombox
pearl stratus
There's no one else GZ.
vagrant cargo
They had well known contenders players
pearl stratus
Corey was Glad Legion, and Stratus was NRG too
feral igloo
At least I don’t revert to personal attacks when I run out of things to say.
vagrant cargo
Also space was still the best player on USA in the Match
sullen berry
@pearl stratus rip my memory then
pearl stratus
Everyone else is Korean.
Krillin is arguable, because he did play on a trials team.
sullen berry
I dislike having to keep up with more than one division
vagrant cargo
"In his defense, korea is a small country and he only speaks Korean. NTB just glories space like some kind of holy trinity for dva players" try again stella
pearl stratus
He just couldn't carry them.
sullen berry
Neither could Fleta
pearl stratus
Yeah, which is why he was worth picking up even though the team wasn't.
vagrant cargo
Also i dont dodge a Ton of Arguments
sullen berry
Does he carry anymore? Nah, doesn't need to really
feral igloo
I’m referring to the people in discussion, space isn’t here so he can’t hear that. You however got personal because your feelings were hurt. Lul
vagrant cargo
And try to Open up othets
pearl stratus
Really the only "ladder" pick up was kind of Jjonak.
vagrant cargo
@feral igloo haHAA
pearl stratus
And even Jjonak played on teams and scrims.
feral igloo
“I don’t know what else to say so I’m gonna attack his character instead”
vagrant cargo
I mean i said plenty of Arguments
feral igloo
nice try
vagrant cargo
And u dodged them
karmic grotto
@pearl stratus they saw potential
vagrant cargo
With stupid statements
sullen berry
@vagrant cargo @feral igloo I can see nothing of value responding to one player from one team. Can you move on please
pearl stratus
Yeah, we're more saying ladder players still don't matter for the most part.
sullen berry
In zenyatta we trust - NYXL
karmic grotto
^
feral igloo
That’s like if you asked a math teacher for guide on differential equations and every time you asked for a repeat of the instructions he reverts to calling you an idiot or dumbass, etc. yeah. Whatever dude.
pearl stratus
Jjonak had scrimmed on LW Blue, he wasn't an unknown variable.
He just wasn't on public radar.
sullen berry
@feral igloo 👌
karmic grotto
Anyways, tonight other teams
vagrant cargo
@feral igloo haHAA again
sullen berry
Tonight??
karmic grotto
Yes?
sullen berry
Shit my timezone shits on all of you
vagrant cargo
I said one "Personal" thing
sullen berry
It's this afternoon
vagrant cargo
And u use it as an excuse for everything
karmic grotto
Shock vs Fuel, yeet
sullen berry
In about 9 hours??
vagrant cargo
After spewing bullshit and dodging arguments
feral igloo
Again, you probably ran out of things to say. Otherwise you would’ve came up with better material
vagrant cargo
What? xd
feral igloo
You sure to like cursing like a sailor. Is that how you talk to your mom?
vagrant cargo
When i ran out why werent you able to respond to my arguments with other good arguments?
feral igloo
At this point I’m beyond convinced that you were born after the year 2000. I’m done here.
vagrant cargo
Also no i dont talk to my mom like that cause i respect her, you are just some confused stranger in the internet
Hahahaha
Wtf
"At least I don’t revert to personal attacks when I run out of things to say. "
Thats literally what you did
But sure
feral igloo
Yeah, I lost respect for you the moment you started first.
feral igloo
Kids amirite. Cya
feral igloo
Well you certainly don’t own the server so I can post and leave when I please.
pearl stratus
Snap. Next you should hit him with the I'm Rubber You're Glue.
Show that maturity, you got this pre-2000 😛
warm quartz
Guys be civil.
vagrant cargo
I mean im at least not pretending to be mature
sullen berry
Pro esports discussion, am I right or is this just shanghai dragons vs hangzhou Spark rematch?
vagrant cargo
This is ow at his peak
warm quartz
Be civil ntb.
vagrant cargo
Its hard
sullen berry
@vagrant cargo this season is going to test that
No doubt I wouldn't write off space or npc miro
pearl stratus
Tonights games look... boring.
Though I'm a little excited to see what stuff Chengdu pulls out.
Beyond that I don't actually care about.... any of the other teams.
Maybe Shock.
sullen berry
Weird
pearl stratus
Last night was like top of the power rankings, tonight is bottom. Boring.
sullen berry
I like having these match up in the likely middle of the pack teams
Might be only way to enjoy the Paris qualifier
But it was exciting still watching teams develop
balmy wolf
can you no longer watch player perspectives?
sullen berry
Only during live broadcast
pearl stratus
I'm thinking tonight (should) be:
Houston
Atlanta
Shock
Toss Up
balmy wolf
ah, okay
vagrant cargo
I interested in every Match because we see the teams play agaib
sullen berry
It's the biggest AAP yeet into the void if you were expecting VODs of player perspectives
vagrant cargo
And im hoping for suprises
pearl stratus
Shock just on paper has an insanely better roster than Dallas.
vagrant cargo
Boston suprised me
pearl stratus
Chengdu is going up against GZ.
I honestly think they'll be pretty even.
GZ has the "better" roster, but language barriers.
Which will knock em down a few pegs.
sullen berry
Playing with the Chengdu dps got me thinking they might have it in the bag
Only if they deliver on that surprise tank factor
pearl stratus
Geguri last night, and Nosmite showed people still don't full grasp shutting down ball.
sullen berry
Eileen's pretty hit and miss against top dps atm
I fault his aggressive playstyle solo
pearl stratus
GZ will rest on the fact they have a really good tank duo.
Not amazing, but they work well together.
Did YXL ever make it to the US?
sullen berry
But as a team, where his English is weaker than all the koreans put together and put into a Japanese player like Ta1yo
@pearl stratus he won't be arriving on time for the match
Same with JQR
pearl stratus
I hadn't heard any updates to his visa was more my concern.
sullen berry
Ngl
pearl stratus
I'm not worried about missing JQR.
I think start of the season using Ameng on ball will work really well honestly.
sullen berry
That's the most disappointing stating Lineup if your washed up players can't reunite together
I say this as we already went through past successes
And MY vs lunatic hai was still questionable at worst
pearl stratus
Chengdu has a stronger support line than GZ though, that's going to be huge.
My guess is we'll see..
Ameng, Elsa, Baconjack, Yinmu, Yveltal, Garry.
sullen berry
He has the game sense while Late young will be Lateyoung
pearl stratus
So that might change later.
I think, personally, Lateyoung has been on an uptick with his play though since the WC.
He's not the best D'va in the world, by a long shot.
But he showed he can actually coordinate.
Elsa though is just so good.
sullen berry
I would agree and say the likely starting Lineup of Chara & Shu is going to not be the most dominant support
I just want Onlywish be subbed in to try and pop off
A Chinese custa, but with decent English to compensate for ??? Korean
pearl stratus
Ideally I'd like to see a: Hammond (Ameng), Sombra (Elsa), Baconjack (Tracer/Hanzo), Pharah (JinMu), Garry, Yveltal set up.
sullen berry
Not literally expecting great things for Eileen's healslut
pearl stratus
Garry plays a solid sombra but you could probably flex him onto Soldier for a 4dps with Yveltal on Mercy.
Or they just run a 1:3:2, which looked really solid yesterday.
And keep the Lucio/Zen.
sullen berry
GZ has 3 competent widowmakers
Chengdu with 2 sombras is looking pretty pog with this meta
pearl stratus
When they get YXL I think they open more doors, though they seem to be heavily into hitscans.
Which is weird.
pearl stratus
Though historically China really loves hitscans.
sullen berry
Here's hoping guxue opens people up to exceptional tanks instead of hitscan in the region
pearl stratus
Spark just needs to get rid of Bazzi.
Thank god Krystals suspension is over next week.
sullen berry
Bazzi was the odd one out
Actually
Anyone on Seven w didn't strike me as good until I watched those D. Va ults and how they were set up to enable that lucio boop
sullen berry
LFZ honestly had a mechanical skill gap for Chinese Contenders to overcome
coarse yoke
anyone else get the tokens?
analog lark
Should i get the all access pass?
pearl stratus
Find your value threshhold and go with it. Remember its live games only.
My threshold is 15 games, because that means I paid $1/game for the first person stuff
pearl stratus
He played the last game.
Also because he's Chinese.
And speaks Chinese.
And everyone else is Korean.
balmy wolf
oh
vagrant cargo
Also nosmite isnt a downgrade imo
balmy wolf
can someone explain to me how we can overwatch league tokens or whatever its called
mint coral
yeah you do or you could just buy them but it's 4.99 for 100 which buys you only one skin
pearl stratus
It's 3/hr.
jagged crater
heart wrenching to not see zunba on zarya
limpid estuary
That's what, 18 per day?
jagged crater
but if michelle is as good as him (or better), then they'll use whoever's better
pearl stratus
You'll never see an offtank on Zarya in 3:3. Ever.
Not Zunba, not Geguri.
Not Spree.
And yeah its 15-18 tokens per day, depending on match timing.
The old system would have been 16-20.
So its pretty even.
analog lark
Maybe you'd find Finnsi on Zarya, if Paris decides to run Nico on D.va, or Nico at all
Also just my predictions for todays matches
vs 
winner
vs 
winner
vs 
winner
vs 
winner
pearl stratus
I actually could see Chengdu winning as well.
If they use some weird ass comps, especially.
Because the language barriers will be in full affect playing against weird comps.
Like Sombra alone is hard enough to communicate against with barriers.
jagged crater
gosh i hope DC surprises us like Boston did again
sleek zephyr
unlikely
sleek zephyr
not got a big enough back
pearl stratus
Mfw. I was stupid enough to open reddit for OW and people still think Brig is the problem for Goats.
worn falcon
@pearl stratus Dont open Forums, is waaaay worse
jagged crater
hey ntb u mad breh?
sleek zephyr
mad over 4.3 game zzz
vernal obsidian
just play another to get back up? 
vagrant cargo
@jagged crater yeah
pearl stratus
@limber pine Which part? That Huk said all that. Yeah, he did it in a random thread.
limber pine
no I missed that Gamsu was going to move to coaching
I sat here thinking what if Fusions gets called up, but it really sounds like when does Fusions get called up
pearl stratus
Oh, the way he worded made it sound like it was his last resort to stay in e-sports.
It sounded more like he really wanted to play more, but if he wasn't going to play he'd rather coach than drop down to Contenders.
At least thats how I read into it.
limber pine
ah
jagged crater
gamsu is not a particularly popular player right?
i mean he's known just not very popular compared to likes of jjonak or seagull
Referring to the wikipedia page for OW where gamsu is one of 6 players listed
hidden osprey
karmic grotto
thats really cool yes
tropic coyote
do they host at later times for us who can't go on Twitch at 4 in the morning?
wintry kraken
i still feel violated by gritty showing up in OWL yesterday 😄
peak nacelle
pepelmao
hybrid helm
Dude I like how jehong went Ana every time
karmic grotto
Ana goats
hybrid helm
Sadly zen is too OP to play Ana (in pro play)
karmic grotto
no need for zen discord when u are anti naded
hybrid helm
Problem is you can land discord much easier duo to no cooldown so you spam it until Rein drops shield
With Ana you have to hit it through and also when Zarya doesn’t have both bubbles and also watch for d.va DMs
Pro d.vas eat nades for breakfast
You can to bait DM with a fire strike and then you have to find a window within the 2 seconds cooldown that enemy rein drops shield or to flank.. but flanking as support in organized 6v6 is harder ppl punish you
analog lark
What are some of the best Lucio's to watch in the next 4 games
limber pine
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
limber pine
Well Houston will either be boink or bani. Dallas will be Closer.
ATL is probably Masaa?
analog lark
Alright
pearl stratus
I'm honestly expecting Houston to not run Linkzr all there maps tonight.
ashen sedge
bit sad basically all of EU has to sleep when like one match as been played
lot of viewers lost there
pearl stratus
Buy more teams.
China gets lots of preferential stuff now because they bought lots of teams. Korea supplies the players.
EU just...
Sits there with one team.
London doesn't count, because London is an NA team that wanted free real estate.
ashen sedge
guys i have a high iq prediction for tomorrows matches
(tomorrow as in today for NA)
ok listen to this shit
i predic
t
every team
will run mirror zen goats once
pearl stratus
If there's a team that doesn't will you quit the discord and never return? Because I'd take that bet.
Since Chengdu is playing.
balmy wolf
why did i only get 3 tokens from watching every match last night
i thought it was 3 an hour
therefore i should have 12
hybrid helm
Btw guys.. can one criticize jjonak without being trash talked?
I mean I admit he is very good zen probably best zen but none is perfect right?
I find he does mistakes but makes up for them with his aim and positioning.. but I believe his transcendence usage is not the best of all pro Zens..
He, like some other Zens, often uses trans too late and loses a teammate.. if I compare to Jehong for example, Jehong has better trans timing and makes those decisions faster and more accurate.. but of course Jehong doesn’t do as much dps and sometimes dies in a bad position
Please don’t bully me for saying jjonak has flaws lol
jagged crater
no....... jjonak is perfect HUMAN
limber pine
for instance jonak did not play particularly well last night
at least for our lofty standards
gaunt acorn
i think jehong has much better ultimate usage
limber pine
yah
gilded peak
True. But we all know Jehong is Ana god
jagged crater
jjonak is a product of crazy mechanical skill and teammates protecting him
there are other zens that have certain attributes better, but would u?
quasi egret
@gaunt acorn am i allowed to post a link to an owl fantasy league?
halcyon leaf
Team spitfire
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