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pearl stratus Jan 31, 2019, 2:32 AM

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They're using their contenders for local talent PR, none of them were ever going to make it to NYXL so why lock them.

fast basin Jan 31, 2019, 3:33 AM

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t r u e

torpid charm Jan 31, 2019, 6:02 AM

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@pearl stratus I’m picking up what you’re putting down & I agree now that I’m hearing it.

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 12:52 PM

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as for mangachu

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ok so first of all he is amazing in the heroes he does play but endoken is right

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even in scrims in open division this season, a lot of tank picks revolved around him primarily

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he is by far unparalleled in his hanzo play, the only player i can think of that genuinely comes close is wraxu, and wraxu is recognized even by owl players to being one of the best hanzos

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hes just... so toxic

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i can be mean here at times but when someone genuinely asks advice for team comps or counters or game sense or vod reviews i help when/if i can, but the only help ive seen him give is in karqs hanzo video (and im positive that was solely for exposure regardless)

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also as for xl2 (im in tryouts next week im so fucked)

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its controversial but i understand where theyre coming from

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i can understand the local aspect and i will not dispute that

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i respect the motive and am appreciative of not just bringing in all koreans

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BUT its the manner of which they dropped their original playerd that irks me the wrong way

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they were dropped without given time to find a replacement or severance package when none of them did anything wrong

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do i think mangachu is owl ready mechanics wise? yes

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do i think hes ready team-playing wise? no

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also all my opinions on mangachu come primarily from scrims and talks within pug/scrims servers and are my own opinions, theyre not taken from anywhere else, i understand my opinions on xl2 can come across as biased because im trying out for them

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these opinions were formed before i even realized im qualified to try out

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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@balmy wolf which tryouts?

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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XL2

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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yes, but what type again?

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as a player?

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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yeah

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flex support and off tank

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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do you think you stand a chance?

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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honestly

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the avg tryout is like 4250-4350

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but thats my peak not my consistent

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so to even stand a chance id have to make almost no mistakes in my zen/zarya shit

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my aim is fine its just... i dont have that much contenders level scrim experience, we tend to get rolled bc we cant handle the pressure

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:47 PM

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what pressure?

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It's just formal LFG gm ranked games

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:48 PM

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no i mean like

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in-game pressure from tank presence

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:48 PM

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oh

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yes, tanks are very important

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:48 PM

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like offensive shields with amp speed

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:48 PM

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thats right

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:48 PM

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honestly the difference between contenders and below is rhe tank play

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and it is hard AS FUCK to do anything with too much pressure

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i hate to say something is up to luck

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but honestly i hope either the tank on my team is good OR if the tank is bad/outplayed the managers can recognize its not my fault

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:50 PM

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you know, I know that. 2 days ago, I think yesterday I was in this mixed pug, honestly, I did not know what to really do as tank, I just couldn't create much space as Zarya or maybe I made mistakes, not sure what. but

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experience is so important

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its gets you through the match

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if you doing tryouts, as they always say in this server, do your best, tryhard the fuck out of it and show them ur belong there

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:51 PM

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im going to do my honest best and see how i do

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i sincerely do not think i am good enough to be contenders

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i lack experience + grind time

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mostly i wanna see my how absolute best does against their averages

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:53 PM

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hol up here

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:54 PM

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so applying to xl2 as player and nyxl as player manager

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im abusing my med school shit to become a psych coach

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:54 PM

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both possible

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if they see potential, why not?

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:54 PM

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yeah im just nutting into the wind to see if anything sticks

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metaphorically

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 3:54 PM

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stay positive until proven otherwise. Question, will the tryouts be streamed?

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 3:55 PM

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99% of them are not, so i doubt it

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ill ask

sleek zephyr Jan 31, 2019, 4:55 PM

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very unlikely

limber pine Jan 31, 2019, 4:58 PM

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https://twitter.com/XL2/status/1091014515293122561

XL2 Academy (@XL2)

While we are searching for our final lineup and tryouts are closing in, we are stoked to welcome @ow_kirby and @OW_Yaki onboard the XL2 roster! 🤗

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@balmy wolf ^^^

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how's your korean

sleek zephyr Jan 31, 2019, 5:01 PM

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better than his urdu KaplanThink

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 5:07 PM

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BHEN CHODE

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and oh god

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theyre native new yorkers????

limber pine Jan 31, 2019, 5:08 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/alre01/xl2_adds_kirby_and_yaki/efgbv8y/

r/Competitiveoverwatch - XL2 Adds Kirby and Yaki

32 votes and 18 comments so far on Reddit

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LegDay sees the irony

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 5:20 PM

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new yorkers

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 5:22 PM

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man

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xl2 sure has some shit going on

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i always knew the K in New York stood for Korea

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 5:25 PM

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good luck

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 5:27 PM

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yeah im def not getting on

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theyre both infinitely better than me LOL

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 5:29 PM

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but

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maybe you can be the surprise factor

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 5:31 PM

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or anchor

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I'm trying to understand, why would you think that you're not a Contenders players? What even is contenders compared to OWL?

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or Cont. trials

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is it the difference in team play?

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 5:34 PM

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im basing it off of scrims

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against fairly avg t3 teams we do barely ok

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against low tier t2 teams we get fucking stomped

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 5:35 PM

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But what is the difference then? why do you get stomped

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 5:35 PM

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hmm lets see

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 5:35 PM

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I try to understand so that I can improve at my own elo

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 5:35 PM

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ah ok

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if you dont mind

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can we swap to #overwatch-serious

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to keep it related

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 5:35 PM

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sure

green stump Jan 31, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Rod Breslau (@Slasher) Tweeted:
You can now watch the first person POV of any OWL player in the Twitch all-access pass deal. Best feature they could have added and it's about time. https://t.co/HUFAanHCpZ https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1091042122315284485?s=17

Twitter

Rod Breslau

Rod Breslau on Twitter

“You can now watch the first person POV of any OWL player in the Twitch all-access pass deal. Best feature they could have added and it's about time.”

Rod Breslau (@Slasher)

You can now watch the first person POV of any OWL player in the Twitch all-access pass deal. Best feature they could have added and it's about time.

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pearl stratus Jan 31, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Price changed too.

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If people didn't notice.

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At least currently its 14.99

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https://www.twitch.tv/p/overwatchleague/en/

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You also promotionally get a 20% off merch coupon (one time use)

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For people looking to splurge that tax return.

green stump Jan 31, 2019, 7:03 PM

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This... Is going to be useful as all hell..

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But i still want the owwc viewer instead

pearl stratus Jan 31, 2019, 7:05 PM

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This makes twitch more likely to renew their contract with OWL.

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So business wise it makes perfect sense.

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The only thing it doesn't mention, and people should wait/research, is vod vs. live.

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Because currently this reads like its live only.

karmic grotto Jan 31, 2019, 7:14 PM

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owwc was the best thing we had

sleek zephyr Jan 31, 2019, 7:37 PM

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there's ppl who will upload the POVs to youtube anyway

worn falcon Jan 31, 2019, 7:56 PM

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@green stump i think the owwc viewer was the test to that feature to twitch

green stump Jan 31, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Ehhhh... Paying for that though...

worn falcon Jan 31, 2019, 7:57 PM

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yup

pearl stratus Jan 31, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Two separate things entirely.

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The Access Pass is a twitch product, entirely.

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OWWC viewer is a an input review that just takes action button data and recreates teh game (which is why, in my opinion, it doesn't have the audio link. Because thats a live stream, the OWWC Viewer was not a live stream).

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Basically the OWWC viewer is a very advanced version of a play, where the script is written as button inputs.

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 8:16 PM

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is the price for the new overwatch league access pass $14.99 permanent ? i remember 2018 season pass was $30 right ?

pearl stratus Jan 31, 2019, 8:24 PM

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No clue, but it looks to be permanent at the time.

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No skins involved this time (though you get 200 tokens, so technically 2 skins)

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Just content.

limber pine Jan 31, 2019, 8:49 PM

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it's also possible they'll add content to it as the season goes on

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like last year

rare sonnet Jan 31, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Genuine question

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Would team UK's Goats beat the London Spitfire's Championship team

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on the OWL finals patch

limber pine Jan 31, 2019, 9:01 PM

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probably not, but it'd be a super fun match to watch

rare sonnet Jan 31, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Because I believe that if London would have beat them on a stronger Goats patch without Goats practice then surely OWL S2 will not be Goats?

pearl stratus Jan 31, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Depends on the timeline.

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London Championship team had no meta knowledge at the time. Team UK is a very refined Goats team but that was after a long meta stretch.

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Individual skill between the two teams favors London, considerably.

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Minus perhaps Kybs Brig, and Gestures Rein.

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Season 2 will still have Goats either way, its more a matter of how long it remains the primary/only comp.

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You're not going to stop running a comp you've basically been practicing primarily for 8 months after a patch that minimally affected it.

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And the current PTR patch, which strengthens things like dive, has very little chance to make it into Stage 1.

rare sonnet Jan 31, 2019, 9:24 PM

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yeah I'm just thinking in theory

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would the champions be able to beat an experienced T1-ish Goats team with their own strategy on their patch

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because surely if so, Goats isn't actually as strong as we think and some team might pull something out of the woodwork come week one

pearl stratus Jan 31, 2019, 9:34 PM

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With their own strategy and back then? No. But thats a really amazingly stupid scenario in which you're basically locking one team to a patch thats 6-7 months old. They'd beat them with Goats because its biggest weakness, not including map dependency, is a mirror.

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Especially considering the watering down of a few of Goats major issues due to a ladder that cries.

rare sonnet Jan 31, 2019, 9:49 PM

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The question i'm asking is if OWL is mechanically superior enough to make DPS heroes viable

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i guess we'll see

balmy wolf Jan 31, 2019, 10:30 PM

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How much is the uk all access pass (gbp)

rare sonnet Jan 31, 2019, 11:14 PM

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idk like 12.50 i guess

tiny pine Feb 1, 2019, 3:05 AM

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If someone wouldn't mind , im new to the esports thing? I kind of wanna know when the tournaments or games are?? I thought once a year all the teams face off in a big tournament but i guess I'm dead read. But then there's like state leagues?AND countries?? AND in confused

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Would someone mind explaining?

slow walrus Feb 1, 2019, 3:06 AM

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none of what you just described is a thing

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for overwatch

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There's OWL, which is pro, called Tier 1, there's Contenders, which is Tier 2 and features semipros and academy teams, and there's Open Division, which is the way to qualify for contenders as a team.

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and then there's side leagues like TESPA which is collegiate esports but TESPA is only marginally more competitive than T3 i'd say

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and your level of difficulty in t3 depends on your winrate entirely and has nothing to do with SR

tiny pine Feb 1, 2019, 3:25 AM

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How would I watch Canada vs like Uk

balmy wolf Feb 1, 2019, 3:27 AM

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@tiny pine basically theres an annual world cup

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if thats what you mean

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theres only been 3 so far

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Basically

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Tier 1 is Overwatch League. The best of the best, on ESPN and such.

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Tier 2 is Contenders. Think of Minor League.

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below that is tier 3, everything else

potent musk Feb 1, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Hi , one team to support ?

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 2:06 PM

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titans

potent musk Feb 1, 2019, 2:08 PM

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@gaunt acorn Why ?

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 2:09 PM

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they are one of the 8 new teams, so you can be there from the start

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they are also considered the best of the 8 new teams

potent musk Feb 1, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Hmm good to know . Thanks my friend

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 2:09 PM

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a fan-favourite roster too, ex-runaway

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one of the most famous rosters in overwatch history

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now in owl

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sure, no problem

potent musk Feb 1, 2019, 2:11 PM

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@gaunt acorn I never watched the OWL . 😄

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Who is the best Orisa player in OWL ?

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 2:35 PM

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gesture, fissure, or xqc maybe

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if we're talking season 1

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hard to say

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she was a situational pick

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so there's not that much playtime to go off

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 2:40 PM

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... Whats an Orissa?

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Vancouver potentially throwing that first week though.

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Not going to LA till the 12th.

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Jet Lag some games.

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 2:43 PM

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we'll see

ruby pendant Feb 1, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Of the new teams rooting for Spark, curious how Justice and Eternal will do.

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Paris should be "okay"

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Justice is a big ol ?

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On paper they're very mediocre to very unknown.

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A lot comes down to if Wizardhyeong is actually a wizard at coaching or not.

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 3:25 PM

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paris okay sip

vagrant cargo Feb 1, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Paris has nuts coaching

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 3:25 PM

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they were reportedly doing terrible in scrims

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what

vagrant cargo Feb 1, 2019, 3:26 PM

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well idk where you got that from but my source told me the exact opposite

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 3:26 PM

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also they have kyky on their coaching staff

vagrant cargo Feb 1, 2019, 3:26 PM

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How old is your info

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Kyky is a goddamn assistant coach

gaunt acorn Feb 1, 2019, 3:26 PM

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last month

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i know he is

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it's just a funny thing to point out

vagrant cargo Feb 1, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Yeah and i got my info also last month

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idk who your source is

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Also seita Daemon and Féfé are great coaches

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Paris weakness to me is in the tank line because they have two tanks that specialize in two separate tanks.

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Benbest is a great Rein.

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But he's got a T3 Winston.

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Cloudy has a solid Winston, but a garbage Rein.

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So if they require a tank swap mid map, its going to be detrimental.

ruby pendant Feb 1, 2019, 3:46 PM

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interesting! Feb 14th almost here!

limber pine Feb 1, 2019, 3:48 PM

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and it makes them predictable

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Houston did a similar thing with Spree and Coolmatt

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 3:49 PM

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I think there's a good chance Houston fixed that gap though.

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I actually think we may not see much Coolmatt.

balmy wolf Feb 1, 2019, 4:01 PM

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didnt he leave formally

limber pine Feb 1, 2019, 4:10 PM

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WHO

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oops

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Who?

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 4:12 PM

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No, he was on their roster reveal from yesterday too.

bitter grotto Feb 1, 2019, 8:32 PM

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@shy gull don't. No more warnings

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 8:57 PM

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@limber pine Another weird one:

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https://i.redd.it/qv1dqtkcc0e21.jpg

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Thats from the former Coach of X6 Gaming.

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Koreans really have faith in KDP with the Dragons org.

limber pine Feb 1, 2019, 8:58 PM

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i guess so

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it's hard to fight the stigma of an 0-40 season

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Pacific is probably a deeper division, but the Atlantic have the top teams

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now that I'm looking at it

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Ehhhh they have the more proven top teams - Pacific is a bit volatile.

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But the current Shock Roster, if it gels, would rival any Atlantic Team with ease.

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And Valiant just always makes things work.

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They're just the quiet team.

limber pine Feb 1, 2019, 9:03 PM

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We should have a prop-bet league

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 9:03 PM

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I debated doing Fantasy OWL. It's just not set up in a way I like fantasy leagues.

limber pine Feb 1, 2019, 9:04 PM

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that's why prop bets might be better/funner

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"How far into the season will all the teams have at least 1 win?"

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etc.

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Yeah, also you can account for individual stuff.

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Like "Meko will get 3 D'va bomb kills"

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And its regardless of win or loss.

limber pine Feb 1, 2019, 9:06 PM

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yup

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"Who'll lead the league in Earthshatter kills?"

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etc etc etc

pearl stratus Feb 1, 2019, 9:07 PM

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I like bets that ignore the win loss condition because they'll keep you entertained all game regardless of score.

limber pine Feb 1, 2019, 9:07 PM

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yup yup

sullen berry Feb 1, 2019, 10:49 PM

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I'll wait for the official announcement

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but I have been told on the 9th and the 10th we'll get some interesting one-off matchup which I was really hoping for

dull cypress Feb 1, 2019, 11:00 PM

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me personally it's the east meets west matchups Feb 9 (PST): PAR vs NYE, 12pm ATL vs BOS, 1.15pm TOR vs PHI, 2.30pm WAS vs SFS, 3.45pm FLA vs HOU, 5pm Edited from international source with the correct Feb 10: DAL vs LDN, 12pm VAN vs GLA, 1.15pm GZC vs VAL, 2.30pm HZS vs SEO 3.45pm CDH vs SHD, 5pm

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@sullen berry

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wew nice formatting

sullen berry Feb 1, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Nice

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I love when my words get the trash compactor

balmy wolf Feb 1, 2019, 11:41 PM

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oh i was like 99% sure coolmatt left

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oh i checkedits fctfctn

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oops

sullen berry Feb 1, 2019, 11:55 PM

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fctfctn is in mayhem academy last I checked

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the merch store has me panned from getting a jersey right out the gate

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in fact I'm flip flopping between onlywish and colourhex

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at least one of them would be more available during the postseason to sign my jersey ~~and never wear it afterwards~~

balmy wolf Feb 1, 2019, 11:58 PM

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yeah hes on mayhem academy now

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why? i have no idea

sullen berry Feb 2, 2019, 12:00 AM

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mayhem as a western roster is gg

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so now the bus driver will have somre more friends if they get promoted up to the main roster

balmy wolf Feb 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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hiya

sullen berry Feb 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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the korean contingent of SNT/AwesomeGuy, and the current makeup is a stand-in

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hello there 👋🏻

balmy wolf Feb 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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lav fan btw

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Op

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aspen for ldn spitfire? U bet

sullen berry Feb 2, 2019, 12:03 AM

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streamers like aspen or calvin are great personalities

balmy wolf Feb 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Wait

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Chipsa tho ThinkingSombra

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lol jk he toxic

sullen berry Feb 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Hydration is chipsa in spirit

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I can't remember if team UK used a lot of doomfist

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considering chipsa was their coach during world cup

balmy wolf Feb 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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i really wanted British people in the ldn roster

sullen berry Feb 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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there's not enough of that high-tier calibre for cloud9

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the owner of Spitfire whose from the US

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wanted an all korean roster

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representing a european region

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kaplanwhat

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doesn't matter, they won

balmy wolf Feb 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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i mean except from stylosa

sullen berry Feb 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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eh, his efforts have been panned

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somem say his content did what

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promotional marketing for players, that's about it

balmy wolf Feb 2, 2019, 12:14 AM

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calvin great personality lol

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hydration and effect are like chipsa except actually good

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also wasnt chipsa the social media dude not coach?

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aspen is basically buy gm accounts when you derank yours to diamond, copy memes from 2 months ago, copy xqc, and report owtmz 2 days late

sullen berry Feb 2, 2019, 1:59 AM

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NBK, who changed his name from Climax, changed his name back
https://twitter.com/O2climax/status/1091051933035425792

Juho Maeng (@O2climax)

다시 닉네임 원상태로 바꿨어요.
많은 분들이 이미 climax로 많은 분들이 알고 계시기도 하고 막상 바꾸고 나니까 후회되기도 해서.... 크흠 ㅎㅎ ㅈㅅ ㅋㅋ;

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Also that's was Hayes who was coach, chips a was community rep mb

balmy wolf Feb 2, 2019, 2:26 AM

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nbk brings back csgo memories

feral igloo Feb 2, 2019, 3:36 AM

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ThinkingSombra

wintry kraken Feb 2, 2019, 4:59 PM

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ROFL at team name of "Chicken Contendies" 😄

balmy wolf Feb 2, 2019, 5:38 PM

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dude theyre at the top

obtuse glacier Feb 2, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Power ranking of LA VAL?

vagrant cargo Feb 2, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I Personally have them at 6 @obtuse glacier

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I can see them being a top 4 team tho

ruby pendant Feb 2, 2019, 8:31 PM

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don't know where this hype of VAL is coming from

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They were hyped up last year too, people didn't learn!

vagrant cargo Feb 2, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I mean

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#2 finish

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lol

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I dont see anyone hyping Valiant actually

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Most casuals act as If Soon was a big loss

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@ruby pendant

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Valiant had 2 stages where they went 7-3

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And one stage where they went 9-1

ruby pendant Feb 2, 2019, 8:33 PM

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yeah I checked the standings https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/standings/season/1/league

The Overwatch League

The Overwatch League: Standings

View team standings in the Overwatch League!

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they are pretty consistent, but don't think they'll be dominant

vagrant cargo Feb 2, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Also they werent #1 in PAC Division for no reason

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They actually we're even better than people predicted them to be

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So idk what you mean with people dont learn

ruby pendant Feb 2, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I'll wait to see the completion of the first stage

vagrant cargo Feb 2, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Also izayaki is a massive Upgrade over kariv

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Who was already good

ruby pendant Feb 2, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Kariv was suppose to be a deity! Valiant always been a good team. Valiant definitely has a good record in wining games in the season, but when it comes playoffs time they can't seem to get a break!

vagrant cargo Feb 2, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Wtd

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Wtf

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Kariv was with IMT

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Pre OWL

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Ofc He gets picked up

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And valiant won stage 4

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Check your facts mate

ruby pendant Feb 2, 2019, 8:48 PM

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@vagrant cargo you win mate. Forgot about the Season 4 stage win.

calm crag Feb 2, 2019, 9:05 PM

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guys what OWL team you supporting

ruby pendant Feb 2, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Spark and NYXL

calm crag Feb 2, 2019, 9:05 PM

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cool im supporting Gladiators

ruby pendant Feb 2, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Nice, always enjoyed their matches. Shame Fissure left

calm crag Feb 2, 2019, 9:06 PM

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yee

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basically everyone who saw Mayhem have only european coaches when their team is basically only korean
everyone: widowfacepalm

vagrant cargo Feb 2, 2019, 10:31 PM

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@calm crag Valiant Paris and shock

analog lark Feb 2, 2019, 11:43 PM

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one guy in my team "they have that korean guy with the hair cut and the glasses, you know that guy"

vagrant cargo Feb 2, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Jjonak

balmy wolf Feb 3, 2019, 12:13 AM

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@limber pine plans on making a server wide fantasy league?

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i can help set it up, its all through winstons lab

rare sonnet Feb 3, 2019, 7:03 AM

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https://clips.twitch.tv/ToughProductiveLaptopPipeHype Can someone tell me what went wrong with my primal rage knockback in this tournament?

Twitch

risingleague Playing Overwatch - Twitch Clips

Knockback?!? - Clipped by Toxicinator

▶ Play video

gaunt acorn Feb 3, 2019, 7:03 AM

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@rare sonnet this would be better asked in the coaching channels

rare sonnet Feb 3, 2019, 7:04 AM

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Oh I thought it would fit because it’s from a tournament

gaunt acorn Feb 3, 2019, 7:07 AM

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i mean i'm not really sure

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it just looks like a combination of bad luck with your boops and him countering the direction of your knockback

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not sure if he hits the crane

balmy wolf Feb 3, 2019, 7:33 AM

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open division grand finals pog

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https://www.twitch.tv/cappingtv

Twitch

CappingTV - Twitch

[OW] Open Division 2019 Season 1 AU Playoffs

▶ Play video

potent musk Feb 3, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Question : Is there a pro who main Orisa ?

gaunt acorn Feb 3, 2019, 9:46 AM

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@potent musk that depends on what level of professional play you're asking about, and what you consider maining

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as a general rule of thumb most contenders/owl main tank players can and do play orisa, but i can't think of any that play her moreso than rein/winston

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maybe someone can think of one

sullen berry Feb 3, 2019, 9:49 AM

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probably see slightly more prominent orisa players

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but even they have an edge on playing rein or winston

rare sonnet Feb 3, 2019, 10:56 AM

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Do you guys think that SK would have lost to Finland if UK’s Sombra-Hog strat was used by Finland?

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It counters counter-Goats

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Really out of date speculation but oh well lol

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I’m just thinking if those comps are what we will see in OWL

sleek zephyr Feb 3, 2019, 11:00 AM

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a lot of changes to the game since OOWC

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OWWC

rare sonnet Feb 3, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Only changes to Brigitte and a small one to DVa tho

balmy wolf Feb 3, 2019, 4:23 PM

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that's not the only changes since November

torpid charm Feb 3, 2019, 4:25 PM

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PHI10k GZCharge

vivid bough Feb 3, 2019, 5:41 PM

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are trials still on?

sleek zephyr Feb 3, 2019, 5:42 PM

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think so

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Which team are you guys rooting for when OWL starts again?

sleek zephyr Feb 3, 2019, 5:44 PM

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London as always

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 5:44 PM

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...

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London and Philly were close in the finals

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last season

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I was rooting for Philly

vivid bough Feb 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Shanghai til i die

sleek zephyr Feb 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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philly LUL

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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yo..philly is god

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Im excitied for the Toronto team

sleek zephyr Feb 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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yea that's why they got clapped 2-0 in the finals

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god team

vivid bough Feb 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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@sleek zephyr I was watching the kings row match and they just went offline in the middle

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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PhiladelphiaFusion

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i said close..

sleek zephyr Feb 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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2-0 is not close

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It was like 3-1 and 3-0

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 5:46 PM

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they still made it to the finals

sleek zephyr Feb 3, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Not saying philly is bad

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but it wasnt close lol

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 5:46 PM

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London is a sstacked team

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for a team like philly, its surprising they were able to verse london in the finals

sleek zephyr Feb 3, 2019, 5:46 PM

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philly has got all the talent and are able to synergise with excellent teamwork

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they've got everything a top tier team needs

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 5:47 PM

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yeaop

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i wanna see

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how the new teams play

upper hawk Feb 3, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Yknow ive been waiting this whole time for the Valiant to fill this Soon hole but I forgot Kariv took over in stage 2

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And he was pretty damn good

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And he can play more heroes effectively than soon can. Maybe not at his level but still good

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 6:17 PM

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yea

soft dune Feb 3, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Any word on Fragi showing up this season

potent musk Feb 3, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I like Vancouver

urban galleon Feb 3, 2019, 7:50 PM

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my faavorite team is philly

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but since im from toronto, im also rooting for defiant

proud hare Feb 3, 2019, 9:32 PM

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@torpid charm you go to Local Host?

torpid charm Feb 3, 2019, 10:24 PM

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@proud hare I’ve been to Local Host like once. My friends go often tho

gaunt acorn Feb 4, 2019, 12:09 AM

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vancouver & philly

urban galleon Feb 4, 2019, 12:15 AM

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oof

idle beacon Feb 4, 2019, 1:19 AM

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long time ago i've been chattin in here

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sup!?

sullen berry Feb 4, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Sup?!

foggy swift Feb 4, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Washington justice is closest team to where I live besides phili so that's the new team I'm rooting for

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I'll also love to see Vancouver

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Cuz of Runaway

idle beacon Feb 4, 2019, 4:14 AM

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do washington have a proper team?

gaunt acorn Feb 4, 2019, 4:17 AM

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@idle beacon what do you mean?

supple prism Feb 4, 2019, 4:18 AM

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viewed as one of the worst currently

idle beacon Feb 4, 2019, 4:30 AM

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😦

feral igloo Feb 4, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Seoul > everyone else

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GWakkoYeah

slow walrus Feb 4, 2019, 7:08 AM

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seoul went pretty even with GZ charge which is a new team

sullen berry Feb 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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for a GZ fan

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there was no playtime with Onlywish

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since they were cycling through every player in the match, I was hoping for some Eileen/Onlywish

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but their support line is 75% korean: chara/Rise from Meta Bellum and shu from toronto esports

balmy wolf Feb 4, 2019, 11:05 AM

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to be fair to them jjonak was a ranked player that byxl picked up

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he did terrible in apex a while ago but hes worked out amazingly well

karmic grotto Feb 4, 2019, 11:24 AM

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He is a Diamond in the

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How's that called, but yeah that

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Player with potential, and look where he is

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He's just dps with Zenyatta

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don't need heals when enemy is eliminated

balmy wolf Feb 4, 2019, 11:39 AM

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diamond in the rough

pearl stratus Feb 4, 2019, 2:28 PM

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People shouldn't really take anything away from the Showmatch between GZ and Seoul.

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It was two teams just rotating players to show them off. Neither team actually played a real roster.

limber pine Feb 4, 2019, 3:04 PM

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^^

ruby pendant Feb 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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how did you watch this match?

pearl stratus Feb 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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They streamed it.

karmic grotto Feb 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Duhh

ruby pendant Feb 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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@pearl stratus can only find a SD VS GZ match from a month ago{Overwatch Pacific Challenge) or is there a more recent match?

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https://www.twitch.tv/seouldynasty_2

Twitch

seouldynasty_2 - Twitch

Overwatch Pacific Challenge | Seoul Dynasty vs Guangzhou Charge

▶ Play video

pearl stratus Feb 4, 2019, 3:20 PM

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No, thats what they were talking about.

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It's a good match, but no definitive information from it. Both teams played their full rosters, lots of rotation.

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Neither team, from what I can tell, played a 'starting' roster.

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Because a.) Why give that information away to anyone you're not scrimming with, and b.) you're just there to show off your talent.

rare sonnet Feb 4, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Because it was so far from the regular season that you shouldn’t have strategies and play styles perfected

umbral iron Feb 4, 2019, 8:52 PM

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I cant buy the all access pass by paypal wtf

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cant setup payments pepehands

mighty raptor Feb 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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im gonna get the pass closer to the first match

urban galleon Feb 4, 2019, 10:27 PM

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yea same.

west pumice Feb 5, 2019, 3:09 AM

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NewYorkExcelsior

gaunt acorn Feb 5, 2019, 3:21 AM

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https://twitter.com/VancouverTitans/status/1092592362658848770

Vancouver Titans (@VancouverTitans)

📍 LA

Retweets

174

Likes

755

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 2:13 PM

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at least they'll have at least a week to get settled

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it would have been unfortunate to see them try to play on only a couple of days

pearl stratus Feb 5, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Sideshows little video on Washington Justice is just..

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Oof.

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Tank line - worst in the league except for maybe mayhem.

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Support line - Used the term 'monster dumpstered'

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My favorite is Ado.

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Ado - Good, has potential to blow up and be a star if you surrounded him with better pieces.

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Justice is not better pieces than the old Shanghai.

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 3:18 PM

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i'm scared to watch it

pearl stratus Feb 5, 2019, 3:26 PM

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It's actually not bad.

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It's logical attacks.

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Basically weak tank line, weak support line, two potentially good dps. But dps can't be dps if the lines around them are bad

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Also communication issues, going to need to use english

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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just watched most of it.

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The part of his analysis I like the most: "If Washington takes games off of NYXL, London, Fusion, or Shock, I need to completely re-evaluate my analysis of both Washington and those teams."

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paraphrasing obv

balmy wolf Feb 5, 2019, 3:36 PM

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@pearl stratus bro start up a fantasy owl league from winstons lab

pearl stratus Feb 5, 2019, 3:39 PM

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I'm way too lazy for that.

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 4:17 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/anfhcy/im_the_president_of_mayhem_ask_me_anything/

r/Competitiveoverwatch - I'm the President of Mayhem, Ask Me Anything!

3 votes and 2 comments so far on Reddit

pearl stratus Feb 5, 2019, 4:19 PM

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"Why did you replace everyone with budget Korean versions?"

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"Why is your Org so bad, its season 2 now. Stop that."

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"Lol Mineral."

pearl stratus Feb 5, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Oh wait, my favorite thats actually in the thread:

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The average bus driver salary is $31,000 a year. Don’t you think TviQ is over-paid?

brave fern Feb 5, 2019, 5:01 PM

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from- uk
age- 17
master player
played since season 1
have done casting before
anyone tornements looking for a caster

vagrant cargo Feb 5, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Wrong Channel?

balmy wolf Feb 5, 2019, 8:09 PM

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@pearl stratus god that roast

torpid charm Feb 5, 2019, 8:10 PM

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fusionthonk

pearl stratus Feb 5, 2019, 8:14 PM

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@limber pine Come purge the stupid drawing kids please.

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 8:34 PM

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i was wondering why I came back to like 8 pings

olive river Feb 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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NotLikeSoldier

sullen berry Feb 5, 2019, 8:51 PM

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this bot still needs updating

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!teams

somber yewBOT Feb 5, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Overwatch League Team Names

<:DAL:438251672783814657> Dallas Fuel

DAL

<:PHI:438251672536481794> Philadelphia Fusion

PHI

<:HOU:438251672821563402> Houston Outlaws

HOU

<:BOS:438251672633081857> Boston Uprising

BOS

<:NYE:438251672997724160> New York Excelsior

NYE

<:SFS:438251672712642571> San Francisco Shock

SFS

<:VAL:438251672720900097> Los Angeles Valiant

VAL

<:GLA:438251672632950787> Los Angeles Gladiators

GLA

<:FLA:438251672779882506> Florida Mayhem

FLA

<:SHD:438251672599527437> Shanghai Dragons

SHD

<:SEO:438251672754585602> Seoul Dynasty

SEO

<:LDN:438251672876351489> London Spitfire

LDN

undefined Chengdu Hunters

CDH

undefined Hangzhou Spark

HZS

undefined Paris Eternal

PAR

undefined Toronto Defiant

TOR

undefined Vancouver Titans

VAN

undefined Washington Justice

WAS

undefined Atlanta Reign

ATL

undefined Guangzhou Charge

GZC

sullen berry Feb 5, 2019, 8:52 PM

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i don't hear back from them

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 8:52 PM

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@sullen berry we're going to be moving most of the functionality to Zepplin

sullen berry Feb 5, 2019, 8:52 PM

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nice

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the prefix will be !! right?

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 8:52 PM

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I would assume so yeah

sullen berry Feb 5, 2019, 8:53 PM

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!!when paris eternal

young fractalBOT Feb 5, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Soon™

tawny sigil Feb 5, 2019, 9:01 PM

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is watchpoint still a thing

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 9:04 PM

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yes

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The first regular one will be next week.

sullen berry Feb 5, 2019, 9:20 PM

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this will be recorded right after the practice matches on the weekend

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and highly likely they'll resume to scheduling them on ~~wednesdays~~ Tuesday live on twitch and reposted to social media

pearl stratus Feb 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Reinforce also hinted at the fact he's still working with OWL.

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So it'll be interesting to see what he's doing.

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Inb4 Watchpoint just gets renamed as Reinforcement. And he hosts it.

limber pine Feb 5, 2019, 9:33 PM

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https://twitter.com/LowkeyEsportsGG/status/1092869673375490049

Lowkey Esports (@LowkeyEsportsGG)

Welcome to our team! Our @owpathtopro roster

Bem-vindo a nossa equipe! Nossa lista Overwatch

@murizzzzz
@likeraow
@fastiee
@honorato_ow
@oleziin
@pizzalover_ow
@tmatteiow
@yuriribeiroz

📺https://t.co/jQe0xOXvHN

Likes

257

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SA really likes their super teams

ruby pendant Feb 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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@pearl stratus That would be cool if Reinforce did comeback, he was entertaining. Don't know why he had to go!

sullen berry Feb 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

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@pearl stratus imagine those friday night-style shows with reinforce having conversations a la Last Week Tonight

balmy wolf Feb 5, 2019, 10:25 PM

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reinforce was the best analyst as hes one of the only ones that competes at that level

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the rest are just very entertaining

karmic grotto Feb 5, 2019, 11:50 PM

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We need Reinforce back

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I've never known him but, heard heard about him

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Sometimes I just don't understand who the heck make these decisions

worn falcon Feb 5, 2019, 11:52 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/fcGs3Ee.png

Imgur

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Im betting he is gonna be in like sketches

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:/

sullen berry Feb 6, 2019, 12:00 AM

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pro photobomber

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 1:40 AM

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I'm more completely shocked they actually got Wolf and Achilios over from Korea.

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Those two felt like they'd never move.

sullen berry Feb 6, 2019, 4:46 AM

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monte spotted
https://t.co/FoBtgR5QHS

Twitter

Guangzhou Charge

Guangzhou Charge on Twitter

“It was a pleasure having @MonteCristo at the house! We can’t wait for #OWL2019 in just 9 more days! We hope you #FeelTheCharge”

tawny sigil Feb 6, 2019, 6:15 AM

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So no xQC this year?

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does he still play this game

gaunt acorn Feb 6, 2019, 6:19 AM

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yes

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he's just not interested in competing in owl

lilac atlas Feb 6, 2019, 11:37 AM

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His streaming career is taking off so I dont think he will compete in OW

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backs up to #SaveReinforce

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Funny that people cry over Reinforce being cut which is warranted

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But then no one gives a crap about Crumbs!!!

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#SaveCrumbs kappa

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Wait crumbs is Cut?

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Unlucky

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 12:24 PM

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hes also not up to par with the rest of owl lmao

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he performed... subpar to say the least

sullen berry Feb 6, 2019, 1:09 PM

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you know the desk had to be freed up for more commentary by Soe

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Throwback Thursday to when Florida was better than overrated Sinatraa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHoXyWew7aY

YouTube

Overwatch League

Full Match | Florida Mayhem vs. San Francisco Shock | Stage 2 Week...

Broadcasted live on Twitch -- Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/overwatchleague

▶ Play video

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Idk Sinatraa used to be super overrated

sullen berry Feb 6, 2019, 1:14 PM

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also rip crumbs

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 1:14 PM

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But now i think he is pretty underrated

sullen berry Feb 6, 2019, 1:14 PM

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he kinda worked pretty well with reinforce

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wait no, he still is overrated regardless of his attitude

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 1:15 PM

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People trashtalk him because of His attitude

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They say he is dogshit because of his personality

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I dont see anyone who says sinatraa is good lol

sullen berry Feb 6, 2019, 1:16 PM

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aero had to have seen something to add him onto Team USA

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and get absolutely no value out of his zarya vs Team UK

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they couldn't have prepared any less for them

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least of all Sinaatra

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 1:17 PM

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NA is Just a shit region in general, especialy in GOATs

sullen berry Feb 6, 2019, 1:17 PM

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^

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Aero is a pretty overrated Coach imo

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And it showed, he thought he could counter EU goats

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With poke comps

sullen berry Feb 6, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Dallas was pretty much a new roster in stage 3, OGE and Unkoe finding their place in a team that didn't have a decent main tank

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Aero just had a team fall into his lap and most of his work before stage 4 began was immeasurable

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that's what made Aero look good and custa look amazing for stage 4 playoffs

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I mean Dallas barely got into Playoffs

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And played teams at their worst

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Imagine If they played Boston at the end of the stage instead of the beginning, when they stabilized

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 1:49 PM

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sinatraa is trash because his hero pool isnt good anymore

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hes not even the best or close to the best in the heroes he plays

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he was really good when the tournaments were locked to NA

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Crumbz was a useless piece of shit.

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Just putting that out there.

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He was so out of his element so his tone switched to this condescending whine.

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And he was right approximate 3% of the time.

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As for the Dallas stage 4 thing.

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I will argue, to my death, that they looked good by 60% meta, 20% Aero, 10% OGE, 10% Unkoe.

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EnvyUS, no matter the roster, is a brawling org. They don't do anything super finesse oriented well historically. And I think it bled into them in Stage 4 with the fact they used Bridgette 200% more than any other team.

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Also no Mickie on D'va was huge.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 2:45 PM

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will Mickie play if GOATS dies

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or will rCK be the new off tank

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I don't forsee a world where Mickie is better on D'va than rCK.

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They should just make Mickie the backup MT.

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He actually wasn't horrible on Winston.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:00 PM

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@balmy wolf https://youtu.be/nETbV68vass

YouTube

InsightOnEsports

OverSight Episode 37: The Epistemology of OWL (feat. dpei and daemoN)

David "dpei" Pei, head coach of the Los Angeles Gladiators, and Julien "daemoN" Ducros, head coach of the Paris Eternal, join Monte and Thorin for the 37th E...

▶ Play video

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Daemon says Sinatraa looks really good in scrimms

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I dont think Sinatraa is top tier

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But people make him way worse than he actually is

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 3:03 PM

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It's a cost:benefit ratio basically.

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When you have your financials leaked, and you embrace it like a meme, people expect that level of play from you.

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So since he was leaked at a 150k/yr salary people wanted a 150k/yr performance from him.

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Thats not what they got.

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So they give him shit.

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He was, at the start, barely (arguably not at all) even an upgrade over Danteh.

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Also RIP OW this weekend. Just got my private beta invite for Division II.

lilac atlas Feb 6, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Also Apex is a thing

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:12 PM

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@vagrant cargo the following is personal opinion about sinatraa 100% gathered from playing with/against him in ranked and in contenders talks

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First the good. Sinatraa is by no means bad at the game. He has a very solid foundation on Tracer as well as knowledge with enough depth to practically know what his enemies are gonna do before they even do it. He's young with the potential to grow far more than most give him credit for

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Now, the negative. He's toxic. As fuck. So much so that a majority of players in the 4100-4300 range have him perma muted, myself included. I really don't feel like being called retard by someone who can't hold 4200 on dps then 4 stack off stream at night time to 4500, and takes on 1 v 2 scenarios and lose regularly.

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He gets beaten by contenders tracers, as proven by World Cup, and quite easily at that. At any tournament that wasn't locked to NA only, he has underperformed compared to other more generic styled Tracers such as Danteh.

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What I mean by playstyle is that he is an extremely solid duelist tracer. Pro Duelist Tracers are honestly rare. A majority, such as Effect, go for flanks on the enemy backline.

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An example of a duelist tracer would be Bunny. He would actively seek out 1v1s with enemy DPS, hence his sort of rivalry with Taimou in Apex

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Sinatraa is a very good duelist tracer and that is IT. In current meta, duelist tracers have no place in a competitive environment

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By virtue of having a Brig on the enemy team, and with the meta calling for the team to always stay lumped together, there is no one for Tracer to duel

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Valid points ngl and i actually agree with you

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:19 PM

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It's different from the original dive because in the original dive there were still vulnerable targets (i.e. a Mercy with a Pharah that you could duel on high ground, etc)

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:19 PM

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On pretty much everything

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Do I think Sinatraa is good?

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Yep

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one of the best

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:19 PM

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I know that dud

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Do I think he is OWL tier?

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nope

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also this isnt against you

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this is basically in response to the Gladiators coach

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:19 PM

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I think the only reason they keep him is actually potential

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:20 PM

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i dont know the game nearly enough as an owl coach, i only play BARELY below contenders level, so honestly i might be wrong and hell ill be willing to admit im wrong if proven wrong but god i hope sinatraa doesnt do good and gets benched/cut

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I just dont like how everyone acts as If he is a random gm tracer because he is toxic

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:20 PM

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i see your point

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I do think he should become a two way player

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For their Academy Team

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:20 PM

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He did an amazing job with Selfless and NRG, and to be 100% honest his Zarya is nutty

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but they have better zaryas than him at their disposal

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:21 PM

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That way he can develop in real matches and not just scrimms

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Cause honestly

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He is still their worst DPS

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:21 PM

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then comes into the spotlight of other teams

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think of Reign

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their oldest player is 21?

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I think its their lucio player

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either that or dafran at 23 i think

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Masaa is 21 ye

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:22 PM

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theyre all extraordinarily young, and Dafran has so much fps experience that it is practically impossible to match his aim

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Agreed

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Sinatraa has an uphill battle and time isnt on his side anymore

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Only way to find out is to see

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fingers crossed Danteh carries Outlaws

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no bias from me

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ignore my name

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 3:24 PM

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I think Outlaws could be mid tier without that dogshit backline

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Literally the only backline that is worse is Justice

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Eh if Bani continues his improvement from WC the only real issue is Rawkus.

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Justice is all three of its backline being questionable as hell.

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Bani isn't as bad as people make him out to be.
He just gets a bad rap because of the "top 3 mercy" comment he made.
He's definitely not a top-tier Mercy, but he's not Zebbosai levels of bad.
And honestly his Lucio looked solid at the World Cup.

lilac atlas Feb 6, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Average NA player mercywhy

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 4:40 PM

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He's okay.

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People forget Boink exists as well. Some scrim reports are saying Bani is on Zen while Boink is on Lucio.

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boink is HELLA underrated on lucio

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 4:43 PM

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It was mercy.

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Literally no one but maybe Neptuno wanted to play her.

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So I don't much care about the mercy results.

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It's funny because people bitch about DPS playing Brig, but then blame supports for Mercy. It's legit the same situation.

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 4:53 PM

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I never found myself impressed by Boink even on the rare occasion he got to play Lucio and not Mercy.

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I mean now that Lucio is meta we might see how good he really is on him.

ruby pendant Feb 6, 2019, 4:55 PM

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lol ya have no mercy for pros, it's brutal out there!

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 5:01 PM

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I wouldn't mind a roster of: Muma, Spree, Jake, Danteh, Bani, Boink for Stage 1.

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If Goats is still around Linkzr is a bit wasted.

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Hence Jake/Danteh.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 5:30 PM

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does Arhan play at all?

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 5:31 PM

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he will now

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he was owwc in 2016 for sk wasnt he?

hidden vault Feb 6, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Yup! with tairong

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It seriously make no sense for arhan to be on the team and it feels like he's one there because of tairong

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Do the outlaws really require a genji who speaks a different language from the rest of the team

worn breach Feb 6, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Im doing an overwatch league fantasy league if anyones interested dm me!

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 6:22 PM

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they don't have a genji player at all

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it's kinda needed tbh

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Jake is a jack of all trades but a master of none

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Danteh has a solid enough Genji, imo.

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He played it well on Shock.

hidden vault Feb 6, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Master of junk lol

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Danteh could play genetic genji

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 6:33 PM

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jake on projectiles, danteh on tracer, linkzr on snipers, arhan on genji

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Danteh on Tracer/Sombra/Genji, imo.

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He's also their strongest flex Zarya.

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Since playing Muma + Coolmatt + Spree would just be throwing.

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If it was four months ago Goats you could probably get away with it.

hidden vault Feb 6, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I don't really feel jake is impactful on any projectiles other then junk

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Sorry buddy

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Also I do feel danteh on genji > arhan on genji. Now you don't need genji in tge current meta too

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They don't really have a solid pharah too

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also whose gonna call out if jake doesn't? Rawkus? This is another issue I doubt is gonna danteh

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Muma

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:42 PM

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The problem is most people who power rank people only power rank from S1 OWL, because they have no other knowledge of people.

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So their opinion is widely useless.

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It's a snapshot window of a persons play in a very clearly defined meta.

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Because on S1 OWL rankings, for instance, Shadowburn is a giant shit of a player.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Also see: Lucio mains

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:43 PM

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See: Any support forced onto Mercy, basically.

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Look at RHJ.

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Based on his Mercy play you'd say he was washed up.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Joemeister for instance

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Dhak

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S1 is a very small window of time to evaluate a player by itself.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Verbo

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:44 PM

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IDDQD.

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😦

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Not support, but you know what I mean.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 6:44 PM

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aye

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:44 PM

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A clear indicator is something like Dallas Stage 4.

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Where they went from: Shit, Shit, Shit, Suddenly decent?

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Meta impacts quite a bit.

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And in Houstons case you can blame their coaching staff for thinking Clockwork was good enough for a Dive meta then adjusting two players into grinding out a role neither were comfortable with.

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And due to its nature as probably the hardest hero to play perfectly, other things slip.

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But something that slips is much easier to re-polish than something is to learn.

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I'm not saying that Jake is magically fantastic. But I think there's potential to see a very different play style out of Jake now that he doesn't have to worry about trying to grind out a Tracer.

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Same as I think Spree taking over D'va for Coolmatt could produce a much difference offense.

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Coolmatt and Muma as a pair are very passive. Spree doesn't seem to have that in him.

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Which could be a very good change

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Random information of the day: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyuWIrvUYAAx-ua.jpg:large

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 6:51 PM

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with age comes wisdom

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 6:51 PM

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esports are for young-uns

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 6:51 PM

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outlaws pick up sugarfree

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:51 PM

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With their hands and eyes.

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 6:51 PM

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the avg will shoot to 29

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:51 PM

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And coordination

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I'm pretty sure if you pick up Sugarfree your average age goes to like..

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His mom just pops the keyboard and mouse up to his woom.

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 6:52 PM

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isnt he 39

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Sugarfree is... like a week over 14.

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 6:53 PM

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iostux's video on his was amazing

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Yeah he turned 14 right before the finals.

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He's basically a fetus.

balmy wolf Feb 6, 2019, 6:57 PM

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https://twitter.com/ioStux/status/1055532177000222721?s=19

Ridouan "ioStux" Bouzrou (@ioStux)

Since the dawn of Overwatchs Path to Pro system 1 player in particular has stood out more than others. The ZP seducer, young prodigy and T1 gamer @sugarfreeOW is nuts. But why should I tell you that, if a video can say more than a thousand words.

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i got jebaited by this video

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it said hes 39 fuck

jagged crater Feb 6, 2019, 7:21 PM

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we all remember how accurate the pre-s1 OWL power rankings were

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Yeah but there's some stuff to draw off of. Sideshow mentioned like.. people tanked Boston on rankings, but they did REALLY well in scrims.

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But this season everyone dumpster Justice on rankings, and they're dumpster in scrims.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I still have Boston in the 7-12 range

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 7:53 PM

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why tho? gamsu is dogshit on reinhardt, they lack a good hitscan, they lost crusty and the enviroment is toxic af

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with HuK

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 8:11 PM

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idk. I think their tank line is fine and support line is fantastic. They only really need to solve the hitscan issue

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or avoid a meta that requires hitscan

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 8:15 PM

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You can also argue they sold off all their toxicity.

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Neko was apparently, and historically, a toxic supercunt.

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Striker constantly broke shit.

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So the only thing we do is speculate.

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And the speculation can go both ways.

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Maybe the team environment is drastically improved when they got rid of those.

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Like how LAV turned over a new leaf when they picked up Custa and got a pseudo-Aussie Team Dad.

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I mean hell.

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Neko left and got himself suspended right away.

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For selling accounts, then massively impeding the investigation from Blizzard.

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You can't tell me getting rid of that shit doesn't make some stuff better 😛

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 8:49 PM

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https://twitter.com/gods_live/status/1093246955193597961

GODS (@gods_live)

LFT - no longer under contract with gladiators. Ready for my next opportunity.

Put me in a lobby and i’ll show you why you want me on your team

DM’s are open

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 8:55 PM

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@pearl stratus he admitted selling Accounts in season 1 already lmfao

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Also Neko>aimgod

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Also LAV didnt sell any player that was crucial

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While Boston has no hitscan rn

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And Gamsu is still dogshit at rein

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I haven't seen him play Rein in 8 months, so I have no clue if he's still dogshit at him.

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Too bad Boston doesn't have two back up tanks who could play him though.

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That'd be pretty crutch.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 8:58 PM

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you know who's pretty good

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Lastro

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I bet he'll be in Season 3

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 8:59 PM

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I'm more interested in Alarm.

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I think he'll be a -very- fast pick up once he's 18

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And since he's already used to a pretty mixed roster his comms should be really good.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Axxiom is decent but every MT from actual 7-12 teams is better imo and.fusions is 2 way

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 9:00 PM

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who are your 7-12 teams?

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Wait i need my list gimme a sec

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:01 PM

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You can swap 2 way statuses constantly, something most people don't realize.

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It's stage per stage.

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So you drop Fusions 2 way for Stage 1.

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And throw Axioms on it for Stage 2.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:01 PM

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12-Paris
11-Atlanta
10-Vancouver
9-Dallas
8-Philadelphia
7-Hangzouh

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:01 PM

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You have Hangzhou at 7?

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Hangzhou has Guxue and nosmite

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Ye

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Yeah your list is garbage.

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Not taking that seriously anymore.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:02 PM

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lmaool

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 9:02 PM

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play nice @pearl stratus

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Imagine being that cocky

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:02 PM

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He doesn't even have washington in his bottom 5.

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And you want me to count him now?

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😦

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Rude Sprite.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:02 PM

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I have Washington at 20

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Oh I can't do math.

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Forget me then

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I'm retarded.

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Your point.

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NTB 1: My stupidity ).

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I still think they'll float above 7 right now. Granted Scrimbucks don't count.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 9:03 PM

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I'd minimally put Gamsu above benbest/lhcloudy

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:03 PM

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But they're one of the few really successful scrim teams right now.

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For what role?

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Not on rein @limber pine

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Benbest has a better Rein than Gamsu.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:03 PM

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And cloudy axxiom is debatable

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Probably on par with Cloudy. People overrate the hell out of Cloudy imo.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Cloudy is a better rein than both

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Oof I would not agree with that at all, personally. I think Benbest is a better Rein, but Ben has no Winston at all.

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He's like a Open Division level Winston.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Theres a reason he is starting in scrimms

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On rein

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:04 PM

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I mean I'd start the better all around either way.

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Goats rarely stays Rein 24/7 in real play.

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A lot of swapping to Winston Goats happens.

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And like I said, Bens Winston is pooooooop.

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Like huge poop.

vagrant cargo Feb 6, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Bens rein is also not that great

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Its good

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But not even top 5 in EU

pearl stratus Feb 6, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Eh EU isn't a great zone to really pull from either way.

limber pine Feb 6, 2019, 9:05 PM

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i'm talking strictly main tank role, not rein/winston specifically