Rewatched China vs. Canada because I was bored.
#esports-discussion
gaunt acorn
pearl stratus
I don't think I had watched Anubis.
So the like.. 2 minute spawn camp was interesting.
gaunt acorn
@sullen berry guangzhou and vancouver are the only remaining teams without discords
just our luck
sullen berry
Dude what the Heck is going on in vancouver
gaunt acorn
nothing, really
sullen berry
6/8 Pacific region discords are running
gaunt acorn
more like 18/20 owl teams have discords
sullen berry
At this point I've had more responses from hotba than gzcharge
sullen berry
People were begging for a fuel discord for the longest time and that was maybe a week before games started?
gaunt acorn
well one guy is having a meeting with the owners next week
but not specifically about discord
more about arranging fan events
sullen berry
They could look at arranging them through discord
Maybe that way they could get a better idea of the rsvp, which is how I piloted my fan server
main laurel
did anyone see the contenders kr trophy? lmao
sullen berry
I kept my Notifications a few minutes offset from their weibo, which is the fastest I'll get updates and official announcements
gaunt acorn
@main laurel it was a stage prop but yeah
main laurel
path to poverty 
sullen berry
Try convince me that zen mains were so scary in 2016 that you would fall into the well just for the frag I would have thought this was clever https://clips.twitch.tv/IgnorantPiercingConsoleFrankerZ
gaunt acorn
also @sullen berry i guess justice doesn't have an official one either
sullen berry
justice, charge, titans and 1 more haven't heard from
gaunt acorn
those 3 are the only ones without official discords
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
sullen berry
I keep thinking there was one more but yep those were the last 3 without a server
They strictly advertise the chinese team discord on twitter
pearl stratus
Does Justice even need a discord for all 7 of their fans?
They could just do a google hangouts group.
balmy wolf
lol
bold garden
pearl stratus
Oh jesus Order.
Can you stop dropping the ball at 99%.
Every map.
It hurts to watch
pearl stratus
Also did Jayne do his tournament of future champions during the Australian Grand Finals, or was that a replay?
green stump
@pearl stratus yes...yes he did
pearl stratus
Rip. AU finals was solid, peaks at like 3300 viewers though.
Dick move by Jayne as someone who pretends to support the T2 scene.
green stump
@pearl stratus i still need to watch it.. after the korean contenders finals nothing else was as fun to watch
sullen berry
@green stump I wouldn't blame you
Aussie grand finals was alright, Jayne didnt plan to have his tournament clash about 4/5 of the way and its wasn't the most offensive thing he could have to a t2 community
karmic grotto
Jayne creating his own tournament becuz blizz doesn't give enough support to talented players
Is that a reason why he made it?
pearl stratus
Arguable. So far he hasn't had any really talented teams yet.
NA and EU in general don't have much talent lol
Also Jaynes tournament was basically two really mediocre teams banning two non-goats heroes, then running goats into each other. It was pretty boring af.
ruby pendant
so the banning system was effective?
pearl stratus
No, they banned out of fear not strategy. Didn't really do shit
gusty kernel
pearl stratus
Yesterday, overlapped with AU Grand finals ab it
verbal roost
😄
supple prism
why is Jayne sitting in the dark
upper niche
Someone get this man a brooding, hooded cloak.
upper niche
wait, where was the Contenders Aus S3 final played? I don't remember seeing it being an event you could attend like MESO.
balmy wolf
🦀 one team from EU open division moves up to trials 🦀
torpid charm
https://twitter.com/fusion/status/1087394397484974081?s=21 black jerseys 
I knew it would happen
slow walrus
those look way better
hopefully their in game skins don't change tho
we have too many black teams already
gloomy tapir
Cmon bruh
slow walrus
outlaws, toronto, seoul, all have black primary color
it looks cool but I want more vibrant color schemes
sullen berry
They don't, more black accents on home skin is a minor adjustment
Keep in mind the valiant will have a darker green
torpid charm
I highly doubt they’ll change because it wouldn’t really make a difference
upper niche
I don't. They're boring and it's overused.
sullen berry
Does Week 5 of Stage 1 look sort of... Weak to anyone?
The day after is the last ones before stage playoffs on Monday...?
upper niche
They can't all be finals.
sullen berry
Eternal side by side with Fusion without black background 
I want to believe that Vancouver may have a harder time adjusting than Charge, but my measure of intangibles are a little out there for some
upper niche
I'd be interested to know more about why specific individual visas are getting denied.
Ultimately though, this kind of shit will kill the league. Well, it'll help kill it.
pearl stratus
I mean visas are visas, lots of stuff impact them that are way outside the league control.
Its nothing the league can do to make it easier or harder.
Also its a problem that might be fixed once the orange fuckwit is gone. Since most of the issues arised from him, tracking back to 2017.
It affected MLB, a bunch of the larger track meets, etc.
Basically stupid orange cunt does more wrong for the country, news at 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 21, 23, and 24.
sullen berry
!players hunters
somber yewBOT
No such team 'hunters', for full teams list please type !teams
ruby pendant
!teams
somber yewBOT
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loud bluff
!players NYW
somber yewBOT
No such team 'NYW', for full teams list please type !teams
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loud bluff
!players NYE
somber yewBOT
No such team '猎人队', for full teams list please type !teams
sullen berry
!players hunters
somber yewBOT
No such team 'hunters', for full teams list please type !teams
sullen berry
!players excelsior
somber yewBOT
No such team 'excelsior', for full teams list please type !teams
sullen berry
@pearl stratus pretty sure YangXiaoLong has enough time before first match between GZ
I would be disappointed if both teams can't bring their full roster in
But I'm already sad I won't see Rise or Nero play in stage 1
balmy wolf
wassup with the non english on the bot
small hinge
!players DAL
somber yewBOT
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balmy wolf
!players paris
somber yewBOT
No such team 'paris', for full teams list please type !teams
balmy wolf
!teams
somber yewBOT
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balmy wolf
!players PAR
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
ornate moon
Who is ready for Atlanta reign to Reign down on everyone this season? 😂
analog lark
They will fail
torpid charm
ATL
earnest marten
!players hzs
somber yewBOT
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earnest marten
!players gzc
somber yewBOT
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dire spoke
!players FLA
somber yewBOT
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balmy wolf
yep
thorny crown
Who do you think will be best in a GOATS meta?
pearl stratus
Too hard to tell, we haven't seen any of the teams actually play Goats.
hasty axle
!players BOS
somber yewBOT
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hasty axle
Boston doesn't have Striker anymore they suck
pearl stratus
Too early to tell, Tracer currently minimally exists and you don't need him for GOATS.
Also could be later seen the team plays better without his negativity.
hasty dove
p
balmy wolf
honestly
and i swear its not bias talking
i feel like outlaws would do amazingly in goats meta
pearl stratus
I'd feel bad for Spree.
Because you still wouldn't want him to play with PTR Goats
Because he can't actively swap to a strong enough off.
So Danteh would take the Zarya spot, Jake the Brig most likely.
balmy wolf
its mostly bc of synergy
pearl stratus
Yeah, that too but I just feel bad that you can't play Spree unless he's massively grinded a dps hero or two because of some Anti-Goat swaps.
balmy wolf
jake is one of the few owl players with exp on brig similar to mickie, rawkus plays a very defensive zen (needed for goats), spree could honestly either dva or zarya (his zarya playstyle is normally far too offensive similar to kaffees, he would either have to learn how to grav 4+ or go dva), bani is a great ana, and boink is a very solid above average lucio
pearl stratus
I think on any map, minus Kings Row, you run Muma, Coolmatt, Danteh, Jake, Rawkus, Bani for Goats.
KR you run Spree over Coolmatt.
balmy wolf
coolmatt is leaving :(
pearl stratus
Oh, either way not a big loss tbh.
pearl stratus
Matt was good with Muma not because he alone was an amazing d'va.
pearl stratus
Mendo the first pro player to barely ever play any pro games no matter what org he's with
pearl stratus
SBB not doing his thumb thing in the latest NYXL stuff.
Looks like he may have gotten his teeth fixed.
Completely random. I'm just worried about any player having something like that sit for so long.
jagged crater
what thumb thing
pearl stratus
His two front teeth were all fucked up so you'd see him like... biting on his thumb and stuff, and sucking through his teeth.
balmy wolf
Anyone got experience at playing at sponsored lan tournaments here?
@balmy wolf how big?
Just sponsored ones where you can't use your own equipment @balmy wolf
ive only ever been to a couple
its really heavily restricted
its best to take a picture of the settings you use, then ask the staff what DPI the mouse is, and try to calculate the e-dpi so the sens is the same
I'm left handed
oh thats gonna be rough
Which is why I'm having a wee problem
youre gonna have to call ahead or something
OR bring a mouse with you and have them check or something
I've been to dozens of lan tournaments before
But most are pretty chill about it
sponsored ones are much stricter tho
Just this one seems adamant
especially ROG or MSI 
Especially the ones with the shit mouses
msi then lmao
Razer are cool because they make left handed mouses
So are Logitech
Also Zowie
in all seriousness im sorry to say but theres a solid chance you might be turned away from the tourney. not a large chance but a small solid one
They wouldn't turn me away tbh
I'm the hitscan DPS for my tram
Team*
the only thing i can think of is to call ahead and request either a left handed mouse or permission to bring one
and have it checked by staff or something
Mmm I guess
balmy wolf
That sucks it happened again.
upper niche
Yeah, but it's a bit lazy that each time they're reporting it nobody bothers to investigate why or the reasons given/claimed.
balmy wolf
because it's private
balmy wolf
Join my esports team we're only looking for rank 0's
fleet walrus
Wait so
They refused to go to the US
Or the visa doesn’t work
The title is confusing
long meadow
Can anyone recommend to me a good pair of surround sound headphones that are comfortable for long sessions?
upper niche
I've been happy with the Arctis 7 as headphones, but the microphone is dogshit.
long meadow
meh
hidden vault
The title is meant to be confusing
ruby pendant
@sullen berry good one!
night carbon
balmy wolf
@fleet walrus his Visa was declined
if english isnt your first language i can understand
some grammar trickery here
"refused travel" = travel was denied to him, in this case his visa wasnt approved
"refused to travel" = he himself chose not to travel
sullen berry
All accounts are reasonably consistent
Remember chengdu are still doing promotions on twitter with their current English skills
It's understandable, and I enjoy their special content while GZ tries makes more effort overlap and translate across region specific social media
fleet walrus
@balmy wolf oh English is my first language, just the grammar confused the hell outta me
balmy wolf
it's all good i had to read it twice too lmao
fleet walrus
Winston has no head now
umbral iron
Thats an old patch right?
balmy wolf
quite old yes
ngl posted in wrong channel but its aight
i applied as general manager of GZ Charge contenders team
we out here lads
fleet walrus
What the team name
fleet walrus
Lmao
green stump
@balmy wolf dude, I'll be wishing the best for you in the try outs!
balmy wolf
@green stump honestly man I'm being serious I'm 100% not gonna join the team even if i make it, i really don't have time so please put your luck to people actively trying to make it
i still appreciate it regardless
green stump
@balmy wolf ?? You misunderstand, I'm telling you to do well on the try outs period. Regardless if you would make the team or not, it's an opportunity.
hidden vault
Leggo just wanna try your luck applying?
dreamy mountain
Dallas Fuel vs. NY Excelsior: Who should I root for? What makes them different from eachother?
gaunt acorn
nyxl is better
jagged crater
who has more likeable players
gaunt acorn
that's entirely subjective
jagged crater
who's more popular based on social media
gaunt acorn
dallas fuel
jagged crater
if goats is still meta, who's gonna be playing brig and who on zarya?
jagged crater
for dallas fuel. rCK is prob gonna be dedi dva player. OGE the only main tank.
fuel has 4 dps players
jagged crater
rip mickie, not even on his best hero will he be playin
gaunt acorn
i mean he's easily the worst player on the team
and you don't want to run mickie on brigitte now anyways
the advantage of a dps player going brig is the flexibility you get if you want to switch off mid-round
jagged crater
mickie early adopter of dva and brig, surpassed eventually
zacharee was training as a proj player too right?
on philly he was hitscan i think
gaunt acorn
he plays hitscan, projectile, and brigitte
jagged crater
fuel has 4 hitscan players
4 potential hitscan players, zacharee prob best bet to be best at proj
closer vs harryhook
for main support
supple prism
why 4
gaunt acorn
in all likelihood dallas fuel goats will be
reinhardt: oge
d.va: rck
zarya: effect
brigitte: zacharee
lucio: closer
zenyatta: unkoe
jagged crater
rip OG envy
gaunt acorn
the results probably speak for themselves
jagged crater
oh boi
i actually would love to see xqc try for OWL again but we all know that's not in his heart
too much stress for him, he prefers the care-free stream life
cant blame him, many people would prefer to stream as well if they know what it was like to be a pro
tho ofc very personality based
gaunt acorn
didn't help that his team was a dumpster fire
with zero player support
look at dafran
with a proper team with support staff it can work
xqc didn't have that
neither did effect
or taimou for that matter
jagged crater
how many players from the first major OW tournament in 2016 (OW Open) are still capable of starting for an OWL team? I can only think of 2 players
gaunt acorn
worth mentioning a lot of those players moved to other games too
jagged crater
yes because they couldnt move on from contenders level
some quit earlier but those that kept trying couldnt make it past t2 level thus had to end their careers as it was impossible to sustain
lookin back at the roster, there will prob be 3 players starting
you know what 5 PLAYER SBOIS
balmy wolf
Tbf it's depressing seeing the likes of DrLupo who used to be a great D1 Streamer and friend that I used to play with weekly go to a game like Fortnite and play with people he doesn't like for viewers
It's just the way things go if high skill players don't get rewarded playing their home game so to speak they'll move on
balmy wolf
that ths only reason
most people play games for
or else i would never play games if you couldnt earn cash
balmy wolf
@hidden vault i already applied, im trying out soon
honestly every contenders tryout ive done ive been horribly underskilled
karmic grotto
Did you apply as coach right?
balmy wolf
oh no just as general manager for the GZ contenders team
a good friend of mine who manages a not to be named contenders team is fluent in mandarin
we joint applied
so on a scale of 1 to 100 in terms of diff
gm would be 1, top 500 would be 20, college leagues 40, top od 50, contenders 90 and owl 100
balmy wolf
well if its an academy team then honestly theyre basicaly a sister team to their corresponding owl team
nyxl is notorious for this
xl2 never scrimmed other contenders or academy teams and only scrimmed against nyxl
so if anything they end up just being just as good as the owl teams half the time
gaunt acorn
forest raven
Is that why they got 3-1'd by ATL
hidden vault
Would it just be a landslide for nyxl?
balmy wolf
depends
nyxl play on a different patch than contenders
doubt all you want thats the LNL owner's gf who managed scrim times
@hidden vault the scrimming of sister teams helps with learning for upcoming patches (such as GOATS patch coming for new owl season) but bc the owl team doesnt focus on new meta as much and the academy team does
(this part is 100% assumption, idk what happens in those scrims) its more of a learning thing from the academy team for the owl team
also @forest raven lnl is by far one of the best NA teams and XL2 is killed by roster changes/morale bc of their controversy with 2 of the players playing losing their job there anyway
well not killed
gaunt acorn
i don't think "[contenders teams] end up just being just as good as the owl teams half the time" paints an accurate picture
morale issues notwithstanding
balmy wolf
academy teams
gaunt acorn
last i checked, academy teams competed in overwatch contenders
balmy wolf
have you checked who they scrim with?
gaunt acorn
yep
balmy wolf
and whos that
gaunt acorn
your logic is flawed here
by that same metric, florida mayhem would have been more competitive due to scrimming other owl teams
balmy wolf
its not my logic... im taking this from the contenders managers themselves
gaunt acorn
just because contenders [academy] teams scrim [in some/many cases] with owl teams does not make them owl-tier
balmy wolf
then tell me why each season the top half of the contenders brackets are almost all academy teams
balmy wolf
also this isnt my opinion
forest raven
They're going to have a greater level of infrastructure in place for the players as well because they have a larger budget
balmy wolf
this is coming from the contenders players/managers themselves
gaunt acorn
how would "the top half of the contenders brackets are almost all academy teams" have anything to do with this argument
balmy wolf
ok so what im saying is academy teams are generally much better than non academy teams by virtue of having access to scrimming with other academies selectively and their big brother owl team
balmy wolf
then what the fuck are you arguing
gaunt acorn
the fact that you said academy teams are owl-tier
stoic anchor
plucky vortex
Cum hoc ergo propter hoc 
balmy wolf
i mean thats personal opinion from playing with/seeing their scrims/games
got your admin buddy here too? damn i feel honored
ruby pendant
Jerry,Jerry!!!!
balmy wolf
@plucky vortex please tell me how thats relevant to here since you wanna join
plucky vortex
Correlation doesn't equal causation. I trust you are familiar with the concept.
balmy wolf
performing better due to practicing with better teams
there must be no causation there at all
gaunt acorn
again; nobody is arguing against that
balmy wolf
and having access to more funding and overall support
gaunt acorn
i'm not sure how you misconstrued what we were saying so heavily
balmy wolf
ok lets draw it out here
What were both saying: theyre better because they have more resources
gaunt acorn
academy teams are better than the average joe schmoe contenders team
are they owl-tier? no, i don't think so
balmy wolf
torpid charm
balmy wolf
1 team from eu open division goes to contenders trials!
dude 6 from na and 1 from eu
trickle down trials !!1!1!
limber pine
I assume that means Paris won't have an academy team?
pearl stratus
EU is the weird limbo point because they have little investment into the T1 scene.
So I won't say they don't matter, but they very clearly matter much less.
bright pewter
When come Overwatch Leaque
plucky rune
february
bright pewter
thanks
vestal mortar
not soon enug
sullen berry
I need that first win
When I come back from work, I'll be able to stream Shanghai vs Hangzhou
balmy wolf
i love when teams incorrectly report scores
jagged crater
Huge
upper niche
It's still baffling to me that Overwatch doesn't have a replay file format that can be analysed by tournament managers and statistics generators to prevent that kind of stuff.
limber pine
Q: So when things like the Overwatch World Cup Viewer and things like that come along, the grand end is that Overwatch is on a new system so you guys always have to build stuff from the ground up, and it’s not as easy as Plug and Play.
A (Jeff Kaplan) : Yeah so people are like “Oh, shooter in 2018, how come you don’t have demos, or how come there’s no replays?” And it’s like well, older games didn’t have that stuff in the immediate time after they were released, if they were on a new engine. That stuff is extremely complex to do. The World Cup Viewer, we have an amazingly talented engineer named “Phil” who’s been working on that for well over a year and replay technology.
And that’s just the start. What we’re running right now, we consider a beta - we put the beta label on it, and its intention is not “Oh you have to get a separate client”. Our intention for that is for it to be built into the main Overwatch client, that runs on consoles, and PCs. I’ve seen a lot of players miss the main point of it where they go “I don’t get why the Overwatch team is so focused on Esports”, and I’m like “This is going to give you the ability for everyone to go back and watch their own matches and watch every angle.” Or I think of all the content creators who make cool videos and stuff.
A (Nicole Gillett): I think a lot about parties and having one person who is like the broadcast guy and he’s showing the whole party what’s happening and you can create your own narrative with this tool.
A (Jeff Kaplan): Yeah, that’s kinda the dream.
not exactly a direct answer, but that's likely the answer that Blizzard would give you if you asked them
upper niche
Yeah lol. What a crock of an answer. WTF games is he talking about that "didn't have that stuff"? Given that I'm not only familiar with the game but the code itself for the q3 engine, it's responses like that that just make me scratch my head and think "what??"
limber pine
he's saying though that a new engine requires everything to be built from the ground up
upper niche
Replays is one thing that you could argue is difficult. But logged event output? Holy shit that's so trivial that it's inexcusable to not provide other than we know the real reason why, that they want to be able to control it.
limber pine
I can't speak to the validity of the response, only that this would probably be the response
take what you will from it
upper niche
I'm confused how it's a large step to have the game recreate the game state from a keyframe and sequece of netcode packets.
But to be even 3 years out and be trying to market a game as a major eSports title, and not give us even just a single ascii log that contains a quarternion every tick and any action-events that we can parse... jesus :/
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
upper niche
Let us worry about parsing "too much data". Just give us a mechanism for accessing it.
limber pine
That's not in Blizzard's nature
upper niche
Well, not really. We could parse Warcraft 3 (and Probably Starcraft 2 - I never tried) replays.
limber pine
let me rephrase, it's not of Blizzard's recent nature to say "here's the data. do what you want with it."
upper niche
The app I worked on in the late 90s would literally take Warcraft 3 replay files and parse them to generate statistics pages. Same thing with OSP logs for Q3, and Counter Strike.
Yeah, I know :/
They likely never intended/wanted us doing that with Warcraft.
I believe someone has acutaly done that with Rocket League too, reverse engineered it themselves.
@limber pine I love that the spammer is so oblivious to what's going on that he doesn't even notice he's spamming a channel where an admin is actively engaged in an active conversation.
limber pine
ikr
potent musk
Are the games BO3-5-7? And how the maps are getting chosed ?
hidden vault
So owl plays on earlier patches for pro players so that they have time to form strategies
Why doesn't contenders?
hidden vault
Cause it's expensive to run on a different patch?
sullen berry
You're forgetting this is contenders also
The most redeeming feature for OWL is they are closest to the current patch
balmy wolf
@hidden vault so the way it works is when youre in a pro league you get access to a "pro realm" on the launcher in the region drop down
this lets you choose which patch to play on
owl, contenders, and some tespa college teams like ours get access to this
the reasoning behind owl getting early patches is for the sake of allowing them to form strategies but honestly not many people really agree with this
i personally dont get what the point even is
karmic grotto
@balmy wolf How do you know that information
balmy wolf
was told in contenders try outs
oh that doesnt help
but yeah youre given a specific login for tryouts to use in the pro realm
@karmic grotto oh btw the one who wrote that was mcgravy, pro player atm
swift sand
!players Atlanta
somber yewBOT
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swift sand
!players Vancouver
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
pearl stratus
Also I would assume @balmy wolf It makes sense for Contenders to run at a faster clip because its a season length issue. Contenders season is shorter than a single stage of OWL. No real impact of switching it up greatly compared.
karmic grotto
!players Washington
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
balmy wolf
oh shit fahzix???
he 100% deserves the spot
my boy grinded scrims HARD
@pearl stratus thats true
ruby pendant
Justice = tier 1 team
balmy wolf
WAIT
COREY????
THE COREY???
ado and janus are solid but im iffy on corey
!players houston
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
hidden vault
@balmy wolf I meant the actual owl matches that are played on previous patches compared to the one that the player base is on.
(Not about them getting earlier patches, my bad on that)
And why isn't it the same for contenders?
balmy wolf
this is the only response i could find
i personally don't know
endooen gave a solid idea though
pearl stratus
@limber pine Did you watch the LGD/Runway, is it worth me digging up the Vod?
limber pine
I did not watch it
pearl stratus
Dammit, you're the only one else I know who really goes international with this stuff.
Way to not be my content editor.
Guess I'll look it up later.
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus @green stump I GOT INVITED TO APPLY AS GAME PRODUCER FOR OW
IM FUCKIGN DONE
IM APPLYING BOYS
pearl stratus
I had that happen once a few years ago for WoW, but they wanted it for the Germany office I think. But go for it, give it a shot. It'd be insane on a resume either way.
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus yeah why not
@hidden vault nah all my jobs ive had ive loved, im in school so honestly this is a long shot 👀
its more of applying to see if i could even get accpeted
hidden vault
That's great XD
green stump
@balmy wolf wait.. what?
hidden vault
One of the best thing in life is that you love your job and it pays
balmy wolf
oh yeah also
@karmic grotto @hidden vault I was wrong. Contenders isn't on live patch.
Was talking to the coach for kungarna, contenders is one patch before live and owl probably 1-2 patches before the contenders one.
The OPR accounts allow you to choose which patch to play on similar to choosing which region
@green stump game designer along with balancers and testers. game experience, bachelors, and management experience are main requirements so i qualify
green stump
Ohhhhhh snap, but where again?
pearl stratus
Probably Irvine.
That's where like 70% of the stuff is now that Activision shrunk it down so much.
balmy wolf
yeah irvine and under blizz yes
green stump
@balmy wolf you will be the one in the inside..... Just remember, the drop off point is behind the kfc
pearl stratus
If we go back to perma-dive I'm hitting you with a car.
Dive is so fucking boring to watch.
Worse than Goats for me, tbh. I at least respect the teamwork and coordination required for tippy top level Goats.
green stump
Lol while you're in there, make it so when a genji spams the i need healing button, it makes them instantly switch to a healer if they are in spawn
pearl stratus
I default to current Custa logic on Goats.
green stump
What's that?
pearl stratus
That I do not want to see it ALL the time. But it is the one comp that, for all intents and purposes, requires everyone on the team to perform as a group.
green stump
Pretty much
pearl stratus
Dive you could get, even at the pro level, get carried by having a better Tracer.
I.E. Striker on Boston.
Or by not having one at all.
I.E. Houston.
green stump
Ugh.. re2, the mhw anniversary, and lunar new year event.. all in the same week.. whyyyyy
pearl stratus
I have all the event skins already.
So I'm done with Lunar New Year.
Only took ~125 boxes this time.
green stump
Only 125...
pearl stratus
All free if it makes you feel better.
green stump
It does
pearl stratus
I no longer play WoW, but I still have (after yesterday) a little over 9 million gold in it.
116k gold = $15.
So I just turn gold to blizzard bucks.
Go ham on boxes.
green stump
Smart idea
pearl stratus
Yeah, its basically 360k per 50 boxes.
balmy wolf
heres the thing about dive
fun as FUCK to play
boring to watch
if i were to have it my way the only heroes in the game would be
pearl stratus
Nothing is fun as fuck to play constantly though.
No more deleting comps.
Just add more.
Till we get a pentagram of counters.
I just want a giant RPG elemental counter chart of counters.
green stump
Pokemon?
balmy wolf
Soldier, Tracer, Genji, Pharah, Hanzo, Widow, Torb, Rein, Zarya, Orisa, Hog, Winston, Dva, Lucio, Ana, Zen
pearl stratus
Pokemon works too.
balmy wolf
like thats it
pearl stratus
It's why I watch so much Chinese Contenders.
balmy wolf
you cant make so many team comps and strategy ideologies off of that via soft counters
pearl stratus
It's like as a country they decided to not play Goats.
green stump
I notice no sombra in there
balmy wolf
my short time as main tank made me hate her
surefour has the best ideology on sombra
he hates tanks bc they deny his abilities so now he denies them theirs
pearl stratus
I really wish everyone who is pro this 2-2-2 idea would just...
Die.
Or lose all their fingers.
Whatever works.
supple prism
i get why they want it but it doesnt really help much
pearl stratus
It doesn't help at all except limit what you can make work.
When 85% of the game doesn't require a real comp, just communication.
But people want an excuse to still be pieces of shit, so they want the game to mold more around them.
limber pine
mint turtle
jesus 125 boxes to get everything
i got everything just from playing, mustve been about 25 boxes or so
hidden vault
@balmy wolf then who is on live patch? OD? Colleague?
I suppose the patches get closer to live patch as the tier gets lower. It make sense
And I'm a brig main
balmy wolf
@hidden vault everyone below Contenders trials is on live
hidden vault
I see thanks!
sinful quest
Hello, Im looking to start an esports team can anyone give me some tips?
balmy wolf
Custa trash mercy
gloomy tapir
Oof
balmy wolf
@sinful quest depends, which level?
If just for fun at random tournaments, make sure to have a dedicated scrim schedule. You can evaluate who's worth keeping through that. Do NOT prioritize skill over team synergy. If you have a carry who's super toxic, that team will not last long. Don't look for flashy pop offs in try outs, look for consistently good positioning and aim. Don't worry about spending money on VoD recorders, you can do it yourself.
If Tier 3/Open Division with the goal of going to Trials, be ready to spend some money on VoD recorders and coaching sessions. These will need strict scheduling. Also, these teams very often disband right after either a bad placing in OD or disagreement with staff.
Oh also as for booking scrims
scrim blocks are always 2 hours long
i doubt you'll be going above that
sinful quest
@balmy wolf thanks. Aiming big.
balmy wolf
If your goal is Contenders, that's a very very very very very very very deep investment with little hopes of return income
just keep that in mind, contenders teams are either org-run by OWL teams or org-less
That's upwards of $50k USD and honestly you should be well aware of the fact that you basically have 0 chance of seeing that money return to you
The only way to make money out of contenders is to have a bomb ass stacked roster that gets a lot of money via selling players to OWL seats
considering OWL spots are upwards of $6 million USD
you could also sponsor a college league for Overwatch but they've been gutted too
HotS got cancelled and OW winnings went from $125k to $25k
@sinful quest Not saying give up on your dreams but want you to be completely aware of the extremely uphill battle
organizations like selfless and all stayed out of contenders on purpose, there's no return income
also this info came from the boston uprising coach and the new sf shock analyst
weve spoken before when the topic was on how shitty the contenders scene is financially, i can get screenshots for you if youd like
hidden vault
Or unless you are runner
sinful quest
@balmy wolf I’ll take your word. Thanks.
balmy wolf
@sinful quest good luck, cheers
jovial rapids
OW needs something like CEVO or other public leagues players can join. Right now its unprecedented how difficult it is to get noticed
sullen berry
you should consider looking for leagues that are open in your region wdym
south pelican
did XL2 get rid of their Koreans?
sullen berry
@south pelican yeah, and they have raided the overwatch YT /s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3T76ZGk7Ds (no wait, they moved it onto their KR channels)
sullen berry
also, KR translating Chinese
sleek zephyr
What time does OD playoffs start
balmy wolf
dude XL2 got rid of woohyal too
thats kinda annoying ngl
mangachu, woohyal, fucking amazing dps
@sleek zephyr tomorrow
balmy wolf
and then their event leader called iostux a grumpy fuck
sleek zephyr
but what kind of decision is that
sleek zephyr
Why not have a local OD team
why the fuck would they try and bring a local team into contenders
balmy wolf
everyone was mad at the fact that they terminated contracts before their players secured new positions
like its a complete bitch slap
sleek zephyr
Yeah the contract thing was really unnecessary
balmy wolf
Mangachu, Cloneman, Woohyal, Goliath, are all fucking amazing
them being LFT is actually insane
clones one of the VERY few popular streamers who actually held his own in contenders
him and spirit are the only 2 i can think of
balmy wolf
the others have been grinding scrims since fuckin open beta
WHY WOULD THEY DROP
WOOHYAAAAAAL
sleek zephyr
EXACTLY
balmy wolf
DUDE JUST MAKE IT
5 NEW YORKERS + WOOHYAL
or if that FUCKIN PICK HIM UP FOR OWL
woohyal is genujnely owl level talent
his genji is insane
sleek zephyr
Yea it's unlucky
I still don't see NYXL local team doing better than 2nd to last in contenders
balmy wolf
finally LNL has some competition for last
hidden vault
Lmao I thought they wanted to do korean + local new yorkers
Imb4 that want to do local new yorks for owl
But I think that will never happen
And I think NYXL would suffer a hit in quality with their condenters team
It does seem that 2xl doesn't really want to win contenders
balmy wolf
god no
i mean tbf with the patch owl will be running on, any dps would be dead and it would be hard goats
no idea what sbb or pine would do there
mint turtle
probs zarya/dva
hidden vault
Do you think they would take out sbb or pine for a 3rd support or tank?
Or would it be flower or nenne?
balmy wolf
yeah but pine on amything but widow/mccree is just asking for a loss
he never flexes in ranked games and if he does hes terrible, like if hes on genji or tracer
i mean thats just what i see in ranked i would assume hes practiced like CRAZY in scrims but there are so many teams that have been playing those heroes since launch
imo pine would be put on brig and sbb on dva
sleek zephyr
yeah he always was kind of a benchwarmer
his widow cree play is too inconsistent to run all the time
thats why he was only played on koth
and very rarely on a couple other maps
balmy wolf
and he gets tilted way too easily
like its yikes how quickly pine gets tilted
worst timing ever on these
sleek zephyr
hidden vault
Did you spoke up for WooHyal somewhere?
(That was really nice of him to text you)
If WooHyal was that good why was he benched/kicked form london?
balmy wolf
@hidden vault we talked on twitter for a bit
he wasnt on london, he was on the NYXL contenders team
they disbanded and are instead looking for local talent
pearl stratus
He was originally on London for Season 1, is more what he meant I'd guess.
At which point the problem is just that he's not even close to Meko on his best days since Meko is a monster.
sleek zephyr
He's relatively close
feral igloo
Woohyal may not be Meko level but he was there with gesture when they rocket booster jumped miro off the ledge and they showed the first signs of having figured out lunatic hai, for such an accomplishment he deserves to start on a korean OWL team
I’d say he surpassed if not is very close to Zunba
balmy wolf
oh true
feral igloo
Hurts because I love Zunba but he needs to step it up.
balmy wolf
new recruiters made the college team 4.2k -> 4.3k
we're gonna lose so many scrims
my god
hidden vault
I guess fury was better and he was droppef
balmy wolf
@hidden vault xl2 consciously dropped all of their players
they're looking for local NY talent
mangachu, cloneman, woohyal, all genuinely amazing talent dropped
hidden vault
I meant during london days
There's also the question why didn't they drop all of them at once?
balmy wolf
oh during London oops
you're not wrong
and there's no chance we'll find out why
all non Koreans then all Koreans
Visa? idk
hidden vault
Maybe they wanted logix + Koreans + local talent
Then they were nah
Koreans + local talents
Then nah again local talents only
Would it have any impact to the owl team if the contenders achadmy are of a lower standard
balmy wolf
okay boys srsly wtf was that OD semifinals match
sullen berry
@balmy wolf imagine Guangzhou contenders team becoming HK Attitude feat. cloneman, mangachu and woohyal
balmy wolf
who wouldnt want logix
@balmy wolf lol ottr fucked up so badly in od it was 
@sullen berry dude XL2 Rejects
sullen berry
my problem are the people who didn't want fragi
Sephy and Jae had opinions on everyone but Charge, totally relatable but ???
sullen berry
Someone should be able to sign signed
but he's not looked too great doing solo queue in the west coast
hidden vault
Who didn't want logix? Mayhem and XL2
sullen berry
that was the worst spelling which I still managed to read first time as want @hidden vault
why not have a star EU dps like logix
i think his co-ordination is pretty hit/miss, as much of an improvement he could be
balmy wolf
im playing an owl fantasy league and someone wants to trade ryujeahong for twilight. Worth it?
hidden vault
@sullen berry haha my bad
But apparently nobody wanted to pick him up for owl after mayhem
Real sad
sullen berry
A lot of these pro players who haven't gone through the traditional employment path need to know how to make yourself valuable and marketable
I think back to sugarfree which was a meme but it actually worked to get him into Atlanta Academtly
Correction: I blame ioStux for this promo https://twitter.com/sugarfreeOW/status/1055580666606379011?s=19
Twitter
sleek zephyr
39 year old prodigy
sleek zephyr
how much are they
balmy wolf
it cost iostux $52
runic mist
balmy wolf
my t3 path to poverty journey starts with half a 💯
sullen berry
You should
sleek zephyr
someone should get those girls to advertise path to poverty
best life choice
sullen berry
Never be afraid of the debt. Even that debt is a video that gets people to share and doubt your innate personal hobbies outside overwatch
limber pine
balmy wolf
I need more owl skins smh
sullen berry
Did you get the all access pass?
supple prism
so you can
balmy wolf
Anyone have the ista link to the poseidon esport team?
forest raven
Finnsi
feral igloo
Who
forest raven
He's on Eternal
feral igloo
What does he play?
Oh ok
I don’t believe that chart
There’s way more Koreans than anyone else in OWL
feral igloo
Makes sense
forest raven
SK has 51 million
supple prism
ooooohhhh someone cant read a graph
forest raven
Nah dude Iceland's fuckin tiny
feral igloo
So is sk
forest raven
SK is also majorly urbanised
feral igloo
You think Iceland would be bigger than a tiny peninsula
forest raven
The Seoul Metropolitan Area has 25.6 million people
Half the country lives in the capital
sullen berry
gotta know your populations to know how NZ has it better than the US
pearl stratus
More partners too.
If you know your kiwis and why they tuck their jeans into their boots.
gloomy tapir
Poland?
grim comet
Finland has like 5.6 million people
sullen berry
australia has the same number of players in OWL, but look at the pop ratio
Getting Finnsi from Iceland into the league is pretty epic relative to the amount of OCE talent outside Australia making it into NA contenders
pearl stratus
Hey, there's a Kiwi in OWL too now.
Hangzhou Spark calling its fans "Sparklers". I cannot decide if thats an amazing name, or weird.
karmic grotto
@balmy wolf did u hear something from that team
balmy wolf
which team?
karmic grotto
XL2 or something
balmy wolf
nah theyre just planninh try outs
balmy wolf
@green stump @pearl stratus got rejected from blizzard, theyre scheduling my tryout for xl2 👀
sleek zephyr
Yikes
maybe they're investigating if asian food is a drug
looking for answers for leggo's supreme skill 💪
green stump
@balmy wolf WELP! You tried at least
They heard you like to play their games and said they need people who hate the gaming community
sullen berry
@jagged crater per 10mil
jagged crater
got the list?
sullen berry
Scroll up, its the image I uploaded earlier
It's measured after the postseason, lol China stats
jagged crater
this s1?
jagged crater
wouldnt having a higher number mean you're a dime a dozen?
technically 2 brazil cuz hydration is dual citizenship (USA & Brazil)
so being an OWL player from China is rare af
sullen berry
Sure
Being in a country with under 1 mill
And scaling this chart to a pop count that's so arbitrary had me laughing
balmy wolf
im too good to work for blizz
pearl stratus
@balmy wolf If it makes you feel better you wouldn't really be working for Blizzard, but Activision.
pearl stratus
Ooof.
You can't be both a new org running this late, and pick up all the leagues toxicitiy.
Vancouvers going to have a -rough- start.
It's okay though, LAV rewon me over with their Office Roster Reveal.
sleek zephyr
😂
signal acorn
is kephrii in owl? I saw on his stream florida mayhem support but I thought he was on a Korean contenders team
pearl stratus
I could see him going to another mid level Contenders team.
But currently never OWL unless the team wanted to waste a spot to get his stream support.
limber pine
well he'd have to be Pine level at Widow to have a chance
but yeah, even then it probably won't be enough
sullen berry
^^^
he does a good job representing contenders pacific
we're not expecting any last minute player announcements like daemin at the start of the stage
balmy wolf
pine isnt even a great widow
he popped off like 3 times in owl and everyone calls him a god
hes barely played for a reason
linkzr and s4 are far better widows and more consistent
pearl stratus
I'd argue you on Linkzr.
I think Linkzr has the highest potential.
But his consistency was not there last season in quite a few stages.
Surefour, Saya, Babybay (despite him barely playing), Fleta have very very consistent Widows.
Kariv and Soon as well.
But when Linkzr is on point he flat out shits on just about everyone.
However I think Linkzr should, by all accounts, be more consistent this season because Danteh spot fills the Tracer/Genji.
So you're not dividing time for Linkzr/Jake trying to grind out an OWL Tracer.
Everyone should be a lot more focused.
sleek zephyr
yeah, linkzr is trash
I think link r is much better
this all star is going to blow everyone else out of the water
feral igloo
Wasn’t linkzr a rein main the 2016 World Cup?
balmy wolf
he was tracer
hey played rein i think in a handful of team comps because iddqd and taimou are just far better than him on mccree
that was the meta back then
wait
not iddqd hes swedish whoops
hidden vault
Since when linkzr was a tracer main?
If so why does he need to grind out a tracer with jake?
And if jake isn't there to shot call who will? Dabteh?
Doesn't seems like they have much use for arhan too
solar trout
balmy wolf
@hidden vault he wasnt tracer main, hes just hitscan
during that meta (triple tank) mccree was far more favorable and taimou was, and still is, infinitely better at mccree than linkzr
so the only other hitscan that can keep up with the tanks at the time was tracer
@solar trout clockwork moved on from player position at the end of last owl season
hes always wanted to be a coach rather than player
supple prism
and whats with Jake?
balmy wolf
whats with him?
supple prism
why was he commentating or whatever for a little while?
balmy wolf
because he wanted to? idk ask him
hidden vault
What do you mean by keep up with the tanks? In terms of damage?
balmy wolf
both in terms of damage and being able to actual deal it
as soldier or widow, they would just block all incoming damage
but as tracer he could just get behind them
hidden vault
Can't soldier or widow position themselves differently?
balmy wolf
on most maps theres nowhere to position yourself to habe sightlines on an ana in that high level gameplay
they just stand behind the rein shield
since they have no shield break, and too large a health pool, burst like junk or phara is useless
hidden vault
I see
vagrant cargo
A Bit late but kephrii wasnt even the best DPS in his own team and got knocked out in the first playoffround
Also PAC is legit the worst contenders region
With australia maybe
vagrant cargo
Also his performances never amazed me
Any other widow player with that performance wouldnt be even noticed
Especialy in a Region like that
limber pine
I don't think anybody is denying that. But nobody can say that didn't Kephrii played his role well
pearl stratus
I'm confused on who Shanghai could be adding on Support.
Luffy/CoMa are both KDP, so I don't forsee breaking up that duo a lot.
But only having two supports is risky.
So I think its smart to add an extra support.
Just no clue who.
ruby pendant
Shanghai should be obvious. Freefeel!
pearl stratus
Freefeel actually did solid in Contenders this season, which was interesting to see.
So did MG actually. MG's D'va looked really good in CContenders.
My guess for Shanghai might be Lucid.
ruby pendant
haven't watched any of the contender games this season. Gonna check them out now. Will get me ready for OWL!
@pearl stratus CContenders is China, right?
pearl stratus
Yeah, its how I shorten Chinese Contenders.
It, and some of the Korea matches, are the only ones worth watching.
NA and EU are shit.
limber pine
@pearl stratus r/cow thinks it's Lucid
pearl stratus
Its the only person who's known that makes sense.
But if r/cow thinks that, its probably wrong.
Just looking at half the power ranking posts you can tell 90% of the subreddit knows literally nothing about OWL.
Like whomever the MasterWinston guy is, I assume his mother tried to drown him at birth.
And the lack of oxygen leaves the results we see in his posts.
ruby pendant
lol, Endoken always making these abortion jokes.
pearl stratus
That was actually just oxygen deprivation leading to mental retardation.
Like his rankings for LAG include Void as a plus to the tank line.
Except LAG picked up a new tank and DPS that are both Korean.
Which means you're still locked to Bischu for in game translation, exactly as he was in Season 1.
So why is Void even in the equation?
Or saying Neptuno is the best main support in the league when its no longer a Mercy meta.
limber pine
I have power rankings, but at least I acknowledge that I know nothing
pearl stratus
Yeah, same. And they're more logical, some of these are so heavily bias or based off of just wrong information.
limber pine
speaking of, I know I need to redo them a bit
maybe I'll wait for SHD and Mayhem new today
pearl stratus
I don't forsee the Mayhem one changing anything.
Shanghai could.
Mayhem looked like a dps announcement.
Which is not something they need compared to their Tank/healers.
ruby pendant
@pearl stratus How do you think godsb will perform in OWL. Watched godsb in Season 1 or 2, and he was insane! Saw that Spark picked him up, what's is Professor Endoken's analysis?
pearl stratus
Gods should be fine, I don't see anything overall stopping him minus the initial language barrier issues potentially not building him enough space.
I think we'll naturally see Krystal + Guxue doing more work, but as the language barrier breaks down that will transition.
Unless Nosmite starts.
Which eliminates the barrier for GodsB
viscid sonnet
when does owl season 2 start?
ruby pendant
14th
viscid sonnet
ty
ruby pendant
You're analysis is making me hopeful!The first two matches for Spark are Dragons and Titans., maybe Spark can go 2-0.
jagged crater
are titans in the states yet
pearl stratus
I think Spark has a good 50/50 shot in both those games. Shanghai I would say has the potential for a slight edge.
Since they lost their language barrier and brought in a cohesive group.
But it depends who Hangzhou plays, since they can play an all Korean roster as well, though its not their ideal roster.
Since Krystal, imo, is tied with Gods as their top dps.
The two Seven guys are... eh.
limber pine
The Spark should arguably be the second best expansion team
but yeah, dragons and titans will be an interesting couple of matches
pearl stratus
Yeah, I keep Spark ranked pretty highly. But the first bit will depend on which roster they run. Guxue is (in my opinion) better than Nosmite.
And while he has basic korean he'd still be weaker in communication than Nosmite. So they may choose to not run him the first week or so.
And if they don't run him I don't think they'll run Krystal solo with five korean players.
But they could.
There's just a few whatifs around the spark we won't know till week 1 starts.
fluid tundra
I like how there are more Grandmasters instead of the top players
limber pine
I don't understand what that means
limber pine
pearl stratus
I hate his name.
slow walrus
me too wtf
limber pine
y'all weird
slow walrus
like there's edgy and there's wholesome IGNs and then there's just this guy and FCTFCTN
who just want everyone to look at their names and go "what"
(I know it stands for fact or fiction but it's still incomprehensible)
slow walrus
lmao
slow walrus
I think it's funny honestly yeah it fits him
of all of the names that sound so official in OWL and then you've just got the cheeky 69
pearl stratus
Personally I like when its just dumb shit like "Jake"
limber pine
J4K3
pearl stratus
It's no meme nothing. Just some kids name.
Though some of the blizzard randomized names are hilarious too.
One of my alt accounts is one of the thousand occurences of "BouncyBear"
Which just sounds so fun when you kill someone.
slow walrus
lmao
I named my alt after my dog Daisy
people are typically suprised by my deeper voice in VC
vagrant cargo
@limber pine again a bit late, but Overall He wasnt even that good.
I mean his zarya was legit trash and his widow play wasnt stellar either he had some good shots but any EU, KR or NA contenders widow would slap him
@pearl stratus btw what are your rankings?
limber pine
I mean sure, but his team only asked him to play Widow which he did fine with.
Their Widow/Pharah comp was really good.
Just to be clear, I agree PAC is not a fantastic reason and his widow's god-tier, but Kephrii did what was expected of him.
pearl stratus
Mine are pretty similar to Sprites, overall. They're shifting a little bit with some of the new pick ups (i.e. Chengdu stopped being absolute last with Jiqiren) so they're not set in stone anymore.
@vagrant cargo Also thats not a fair conclusion - because we really did see a gimped Widow from him. I'd like to see him try again with a team with no language barriers. It's hard to coordinate a real Widow into a team where you don't understand each other.
I also don't think his Widow is the best thing in the world, but he at least proved it could be contenders level. But never OWL.
vagrant cargo
Well i mean he literally tried jumpshots into enemys
Thats not a language barrier problem lmao
Also idk Sprites rankings
And Sure drop kephrii in a region with widow players like Kensi, Onigod or Shax and we see how good he is
pearl stratus
Eh.
I still do not think he's OWL level.
But hey. Good for him.
The new Map is on PTR, by the way.
torpid charm
New map?
supple prism
assualt?
pearl stratus
Paris.
I haven't tested it yet, I don't overly care about PTR lol just know its up there
torpid charm
Also I feel as though Mangachu is one of the top DPS players... for Contenders. He’s good but not OWL ready yet. I wanna say like a year till he’s ready
pearl stratus
I doubt it. He needs to stop having teams adapt around him and pick up a more grounded hero pool. His Pharah, which is all that would really matter, isn't good enough for OWL and I don't see it ever matching someone like Rascal, Fleta, Hydration, etc.
slow walrus
oh man I'm happy for mangachu
XL2 kinda fucked their old roster over
his brig is good from what I've seen
mossy bone
what the fuck did xl2 do to themselves