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#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
elfin siren
Are there any scouts out in Calgary watching the Esports Tournament tomorrow 6-10GMT?
desert salmon
Do you guys think RunAway will still be relevant in OWL?
limber pine
I don't know what you mean
desert salmon
Like Vancouver Titans
Would they be top or maybe mediocre or something?
A lot of people put them at the top 5 and I don't really agree.
limber pine
RunAway is still a team btw
so just call them Vancouver
and yes, I don't think they'll be top 5 (but definitely top 10)
earnest vigil
cool
sullen berry
I put a lot of weight on the culture factor for Vancouver
Dallas fuel got it wrong but that was more of a huge struggle to match the OWL infrastructure over 10 matches per stage
7 matches per stage will still be loads
but they've learned well
Vancouver
Don't have the same experience from the get go but their mechanical skill would only take them so far when Flowervin isn't coming up to congratulate them for each map win
dim mulch
When does open division start? <@&397922982632226816> <@&503875215227617290> <@&397922334540824577>
vivid solar
fucked if
plucky vortex
Google it.
mossy dagger
Dude did you really have to ping us? Next month
outer vapor
@dim mulch Please don't ping everyone for general questions
dim mulch
Sorry
lone hinge
pearl stratus
I'd probably pick the team you like the most.
And be a fan of them.
I've heard people have good success with that.
hidden vault
or you can be neutral to all
it does give you a kind of a analysis point of view instead of from a fan base
analysis point of view -- by that I mean unbaised
torpid charm
^^^
torpid charm
hidden vault
it's no fun if you get hate on right XD
is there is rivalry between Leggo and Dray?
or you can just root for SHD cause 1st win
gaunt acorn
no houston is just a garbage can team
balmy wolf
hate florida for just being florida
gaunt acorn
they are garbage too
but not even worth hating
just uninteresting
at least houston is hateable
balmy wolf
whats ur reasoning for hating houston
pearl stratus
There's white people on it.
And Dray hates white people.
It's a long term racism con 😛
balmy wolf
figured smh
torpid charm
hidden vault
Dray is white
sullen berry
In other news
This makes me feel a lot better since I'm still a few levels away from silver border
west marlin
London spitfire is best team
cerulean sequoia
Im looking to join a ps4 overwatch team. how do i go about that?
balmy wolf
Like professional team or like just a team in general
pearl stratus
@balmy wolf If you didn't see: https://twitter.com/maid_OW/status/1085248246224642048?s=19
Twitter
elfin siren
Anyone paying attention to some of the smaller ESports Tournaments taking place around the globe, like Calgary Alberta?
pearl stratus
Another tongue in cheek for Sideshow: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw-eDiFXQAALD37.jpg
nimble dock
cringe
pearl stratus
It's not the worst I've seen. He overvalues Toronto the most imo.
queen drift
Shock & glad too high imo
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus he's lft dont listen to him
but for real nice
i disagree with shd/14
also outlaws doesnt get enough recognition for their coordination and overall team play
"no individual skill" ???????????????
linkzr is widely considered the best flick aim player
pearl stratus
Yeah, I always clarify them as tongue in cheek because there's definite issues.
balmy wolf
jake is an all around player but rawkus and spree are definitely amazing at their roles
seagull actively avoids rawkus on zen 👀
pearl stratus
Eh. Rawkus suffered last season, but his dad also died.
balmy wolf
the rest i... cant really disagree with
pearl stratus
So I'm waiting to see him playing into Season 2.
balmy wolf
thats true, i have high hopes for him
pearl stratus
Bani has probably had the most visual growth.
His time on Team Canada was really fruitful.
balmy wolf
hell yes, from toxic dps instalocker to genuinely good main supp
bani used to be super toxic oh man
pearl stratus
Not sure if you watched the pro pubs they did on PTR by the way, but Jake was legitimately looking good.
His Zarya was solid, his Ashe was a bit out of nowhere for him.
balmy wolf
be spent literally all the time in ranked shit talking dsp stanky lmao
my views on jake are fairly controversial
pearl stratus
I don't think Outlaws will be a top team, but I don't think they'll be bad.
balmy wolf
i actually do like him as a dps
hes not the best in any role, but hes like a less likeable seagull
he can play almost any hero at a pro level and prove to be a match against experienced masters of that role
pearl stratus
I don't think Jake is visually impactful, I think Jake is mentally impactful.
Thats how I've always viewed him.
pearl stratus
He's not going to be your fancy plays guy. He won't pop off and be clutch.
It's indicative in the way Korea views western players too.
Typically Koreans view smarter players as bigger threats.
balmy wolf
he has the coordination and callouts of a main tank, the game sense and ult economy/tracking of a main support, and the aim of a hitscan player
velvet kettle
jakerat
balmy wolf
thats why hes done so well in team based heroes like soldier or junkrat
anyone else playing junkrat gets countered so easily
pearl stratus
I mean his Junkrat is a meme, but it literally fucked the #1 team in the league over, and over, and over.
Jakes Junkrat is the 1942 Germany to London.
Which to me is hilarious.
pearl stratus
Doesn't have to be.
queen drift
but i dont deny hes a good player
pearl stratus
People overvalue mechanical skill, imo.
balmy wolf
i dont disagree
queen drift
he's insane as an igl
pearl stratus
I know people in Gold/Plat that have insane aim.
Their mechanics are great.
But they're shit at everything else.
queen drift
for a dps, mechanical skill is v important imo
matters almost nothing for other roles
balmy wolf
his aim is nothing special BUT its consistent
pearl stratus
It's important, but its not the be all end all.
If you can compensate with big brain you can take advantage of situations that don't require as much aim.
balmy wolf
like if im being honest, in terms of pure mechanics his genji/soldier isnt that much better than your avg mid gm dps player
pearl stratus
Like my aim is... decent. Maybe a little ahead of the bell curve, but not anything I'd be like "Woooo, you see that shot!"
pearl stratus
I just tend to outthink people so I can ambush some shit lol
So I'll never be a T500, I know that.
But I compensate for bad aim
queen drift
aim is just practice
pearl stratus
It is, but its also a tangible declining thing.
balmy wolf
its not even required to be in gm or even t500
pearl stratus
I have a desk job, I'm on a computer all day. My general habits aren't great, so my coordination deteriorates since I don't keep up with it.
Which is my own fault.
So I just play Zarya instead.
balmy wolf
Mechanics, Game Awareness, and Positioning
To be GM, master one, to be consistent t500, master two. To be pro, master 3
imo jake has game awareness and positioning completely
queen drift
he's still great
velvet kettle
thats a shamme
queen drift
just not as good
pearl stratus
For the tl;dr:
Lots of injuries, most permanent to some extent because untreated, changed aim style to avoid more.
So Apex Flower was best Flower.
Also.
Libero exists.
I think overall anyone is hard pressed to keep up to Libero.
Closest I'd honestly call is Rascal.
Profit would be up there too actually.
But he's definitely acclimated more towards projectile because you don't need both when you're paired with Birdring (preinjury)
queen drift
libero is the best dps in the owl imo
pearl stratus
Overall I don't think you'd find many who disagree.
He's not the best per hero. But it doesn't matter when you have a hero pool of "everything"
queen drift
yeah
his projectile is up there though
i'd say his genji/hanzo is definitely like.. top4
pearl stratus
I'm actually excited to see Libero + Flower because its a duo that could really press other teams and keep them on their toes.
Also Libero + Flower open up a 4 DPS comp where Jjonak can take the Widow.
So you'd get Flower Pharah, Libero Hanzo, Jjonak Widow, Meko Soldier.
If the Rt66 Quad DPS comp stays similar.
queen drift
havent seen meko soldier
pearl stratus
No ones bad at soldier, its soldier 😛
pearl stratus
I actually don't know what DPS Meko honestly plays. I've just seen most off-tanks rotating to the soldier on the comp.
naive zinc
i remember the good days when soldier was actually good i used him to go from silver to diamond in one season
pearl stratus
You still can, tbh.
queen drift
ye but you can get to diamond with anythingl ol
get to master too
anything higher is eh
pearl stratus
Like Papa Jeff said. There's no meta when you're low SR, stop whining about it.
queen drift
haha
gaunt acorn
statistically you probably can't
only like 3% of players ever reach masters
even diamond is only like 10% of players
if you can get to diamond by playing anything, you're at least within the top 10% of players already
for the average joe schmoe it's not feasible
or certainly not easy
queen drift
Yeah but at least half the players are casual, that’s being generous
The other half can almost definitely get to dia or higher with a bit of effort, on any hero
gaunt acorn
queen drift
Dray is plat 😠
gaunt acorn
no
queen drift
Yes
gaunt acorn
no (x2)
queen drift
Yes (x3)
balmy wolf
a statistical majority of the playerbase plays non-comp as a main game mode
if you play competitive often (>50 games a season) and are below diamond you have 0 excuse
if youre below consistent 4.3k you are irrelevant in the pro scene
general rules of thumb
mint turtle
supple prism
arcade and custom game modes pulls alot away
dreamy mountain
I got rooted for Dallas Fuel way back but I'm considering swapping now that they aren't so hot
Any other teams that are really cool? If they have good genji players that's a plus
supple prism
i have been on phillys side
dreamy mountain
what's phili all about?
supple prism
but if you want to look at team info, i use https://liquipedia.net/
dreamy mountain
Philidelphia is run by Team Liquid?
Huh.
oh nvm it's just a esports in general site
pearl stratus
Philly is comcast.
gaunt acorn
ruby pendant
Does anyone if tokens will be rewarded for watching OWL Season 2 matches?
supple prism
probably
it was the only reason i watched it
and i think it brings them more profit in the long run
gaunt acorn
yes
sullen berry
Expect if this season delivers: OWL Token notifications arrive instantly during day one broadcast
Season oof: either none first week or just late notifications but still get owl Tokens
Expecting a high from either day one or day two with the washed out Fuel vs Dynasty rival match
Day two > Day one imo
ruby pendant
ok thanks all
hidden vault
What rivalry is there with Fuel and Dynasty?
balmy wolf
long standing rivalry technically, between former EnvyUS and i forgot whatever team dynasty were, lunatic hai?
queen drift
Ye
balmy wolf
thats about a 2 year old rivalry
obtuse glacier
Me waiting for OWL season 2 like 
balmy wolf
i dont remember pre-OWL esports all that much
but envyus and LH were neck and neck
bunny and taimou especially
pearl stratus
Oh man.
All of my power rankings just got fucked up by that Chengdu announcement.
Because now you get Jiqi and Lateyoung together again, which means Chengdu's biggest flaw is really patched up.
forest raven
Everytime envy and LH played each other envy got rekt
fleet walrus
How do I get OWL tokens on Xbox
pearl stratus
Its about your twitch being linked, regardless of where your twitch is from.
Also being from a participating country.
So if you're from Canada you have to do your math question
Etc, etc.
pearl stratus
@limber pine Re-evaluate Chengdu in your hypothetical list now. Mine moved up a few spots.
pearl stratus
Yeah, mine just moved up to near the top of the bottom. It's got two ? marks.
Which is MY cohesion still exists? If yes, move things up. Coach cohesion? Move things up.
Because you've got four MY now, if you include Rui.
balmy wolf
queen drift
Yikes
limber pine
man i wish OWL would not fly by the seat of their pants
lucid skiff
isnt KSF on paris or something?
limber pine
What does KariV cover that Bunny/Agilites/KSF doesn't?
pearl stratus
Nothing. Though statically he actually was LAV's best widow.
My guess is they just put him as DPS since they got rid of flex.
He and Bunny would cover the full hit scan gamut though
pearl stratus
I'm not sure.
Agilities mentioned during the pro pugs that Kariv is their best Zarya (non-Space)
limber pine
who played their Zarya before?
green stump
Don't remember...
torpid charm
I wanna say Soon but I don’t remember either
torpid charm
Probably
green stump
Or will space be their Hammond?
torpid charm
Space really only played D.va or Hog during OWL, could be practicing his Zarya to be ready for S2 even though that role is usually done by DPS
Fate would play Hammond I suppose?
green stump
I dunno, i never saw fate being a Hammond player
torpid charm
Usually the MT is the one who plays Hammond but who knows what they would be doing tbh
limber pine
didn't fate play a lot of hammond during world cup?
green stump
Did he? I don't remember that
green stump
Did he do well? I seriously can't remember
pearl stratus
D'va isn't going anywhere, so Space will play D'va.
Fate is probably the best Hammond in the League from what we know now.
I don't think, unless there's a much larger shake up to D'va, Zarya will be played by anyone else than DPS and/or (sometimes) a specialist.
slow walrus
thoughts on pacific/atlantic showdowns and the gauntlet? I'm a little disappointed by the huge time difference between the gauntlet and the other two events.
OWL ends in late august with the main season and the post season is likely in september though. So I guess it's not that long of a wait
but where does the world cup fit into that schedule then? November??
for reference gauntlet is in october vs. the other two events in late may
pearl stratus
Rumors were abound that the world cup was going away.
Also World Cup is pretty much always Blizzcon for finals.
So yes.
Saturday, November 2.
Which is when Blizzcon is.
slow walrus
huh. WC not profitable enough? I've always loved it myself
They're bound to have some premium overwatch event at blizzcon no matter what right so idk what they would replace the WC with especially now that it has so much history
upper niche
@pearl stratus 'League sources'? It was announced during the launch broadcast that there'd be four days of preseason matches.
@slow walrus I wish Atlantic/Pacific would fuck right off. It's such a bullshit American way of running leagues - and yeah yeah, I know Blizard are an American company, but they need to pull their heads out of the sand and look at why no other country in the world runs leagues like that.
pearl stratus
It doesn't matter either way. None of the countries actively matter.
Started in the US, most major investment is in the US.
You emulate where your money is. Its easier for fewer to adapt.
Just remember - Nothing matters as much as money. In basically everything you do in life.
All the lofty what ifs equivalate to toilet paper for wiping your ass with if you can't financially back it.
slow walrus
@upper niche I'd imagine blizzard would change it if there was an actual esports scene anywhere else but it kind of legitimizes contenders bc they did the same thing with owl. Not saying I neccesarily like only having 2 divisions, but this was better for contenders imo than it was bad
pearl stratus
Contenders is actually more set up like English Football.
In the relegation cycle.
Etc, etc.
But its unlike English Football
In the fact EU matters the least.
Poor EU ladder.
gloomy tapir
south pelican
I wonder who XL2 will pick up now
runic creek
Anyone know how much season 2 buy ins for a league slot was ?
I know it was rumored to go to $60mn but I never saw a confirmed amount
sullen berry
as with season 1, they vary by region
runic creek
Oh did not know that it varied by region in season 1..
What team paid less than 20mn? Almost every team other than London Seoul and Shanghai were/are NA right ?
sullen berry
Activision Blizzard will price expansion slots for the Overwatch League between $30 million and $60 million as the company continues to negotiate with prospective buyers, sources familiar with discussions for those spots told ESPN.
huge gains for the pacific
better chinese representation this season strikes slightly better regional spread: 13x US/Canada, 5x China/Korea , 2x EU
I don't see this being converging until people are okay with the culture clash, which has been an issue for players and less the orgs
sullen berry
Meanwhile, in the Chinese esports scene
https://twitter.com/ChiXiaoTu_OW/status/1085389091221446656
torpid charm
Tutu is amazing
pearl stratus
Technically 1x EU.
You have London, but not really.
It's a US company.
A US owned, Korean played, Team is the best team in the EU.
And people wonder why EU representation is so low 😛
hidden vault
Still waiting for a completely chinese team
pearl stratus
You mean Chengdu?
gaunt acorn
^
pearl stratus
The Korean Power Rankings are even more interesting, but all over the map.
pearl stratus
Yeah, I wonder how much bias goes in there.
Shanghai jumping to #4 has got to have more to do with KDP than current Shanghai.
limber pine
yeah Shanghai making the playoffs isn't that much of a reach, but putting them higher than Vancouver, LAV, and LAG is...interesting
pearl stratus
Above Vancouver was most interesting to me.
Not because of other teams.
But because Runaway always had the better match up over KDP
So why wouldn't that translate to OWL for them?
It seems counter intuitive to how they'd view it
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl stratus
Not surprised they rank Shock so highly, from a Korean point of view most of the issues with the team we're replaced with really well known talent from KContenders.
Super and Sleepy
torpid charm
:~O those rankings
tranquil dock
Will xqc be in overwatch league 2019
limber pine
no
pearl stratus
@balmy wolf How do you feel about the T2 changes btw?
For those out of the loop Blizzard announced a gigantic change to Contenders
3 New Tournaments, 2 Regional and a Gauntlet Tournament.
They're all LAN, and some are inter-regional.
Which means massive exposure.
limber pine
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
green stump
@pearl stratus this is a great change to t2 but it's still not enough yet...
pearl stratus
It's the best they'll get with garbage viewership though
Contenders gets less viewers than cleavage.
Till it gets more, its not really worth more.
green stump
True enough but if you don't promote it more, you won't get more lol the vicious cycle
pearl stratus
Eh most people just don't care because its such a noticeably lower level, too
green stump
You mean skill wise?
pearl stratus
Yeah, migrating OWL viewers to Contenders is a hurdle
green stump
Some regions are pretty good like korea for example, but others have very little in the entertainment value
pearl stratus
I only watch China, personally.
green stump
But na and eu barely have much in the star potential or personally
pearl stratus
I have no NA talent I think is worth really tracking right now minus maybe... Dogman and Elk.
Eu would be Logix and Davin, and beyond that just kind of whatever.
China has entire teams I enjoy tracking like T1W.
Who just do weird shit.
I love how many people are surprised by this: https://twitter.com/OWBeacon/status/1080125623585038337
Twitter
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus incredibly in love with the changes
LANs always pull far higher viewerships over just online tourneys, this is a great stride in a good direction
pearl stratus
Gaunlet is basically World Cup 2.0
But arguably better
Because it keeps out existing pros.
balmy wolf
officially submitted my request to join soulja boy's esports team for overwatch btw
request and resume
balmy wolf
gonna crank that on these fools in contenders
balmy wolf
not as much
dafran doesnt have as much scrim experience as the other pros nor does he have a very... decent track record
selfless was a joke up until the last tourneys before his ban
he does have a solid PMA attitude and godly aim but imo not the best nor close to the best in the series
karmic grotto
He could have potential tho, alot
balmy wolf
he's been grinding ranked for a year, the rest have been in legit scrims/professional teams for the last year
karmic grotto
But yeah, that ban
balmy wolf
he 100% does have potential
but not the time to reach it
thats the only issue really
karmic grotto
It's a bit late?
balmy wolf
very
everyone else has tested and tried every possible comp and playstyle for their hero pools
aon too of hundreds of hours
karmic grotto
In scrims
balmy wolf
hes just pretty much played soldier/tracer in t500 games
karmic grotto
Oh man, no wonder he's busy these days
balmy wolf
yeah he knows it too
also i should add
this is in no way a negative feeling towards dafran
karmic grotto
Yeh
balmy wolf
i like the new dafran genuinely, he knows as well as anyone else in pro/semipro leagues that hes got a lot of ground to cover
but he's got quick legs
time to see how quick
karmic grotto
His late streams
I notice a change in his playstyle scrimming
Like, the mistakes he makes, he makes them alot less now and his positioning has improved
You're correct, let's see how much he can adapt before OWL starts
Cause now, he's scrimming against other OWL and every scrim is worth something to learn
pearl stratus
Also his mental state probably impacted his pay.
Because he's still a risk.
People tend to factor stuff like that in.
Like Logix, for instance, talking about turning offers down.
Unfortunately he took two weeks off due to homesick/depression.
Which will impact his next signing.
balmy wolf
dafran has immense potential and i truly do wish he can reach it
also yeah its the reason xqc gave up on getting into owl
pearl stratus
I personally think Atlanta should restrict his streaming once the season starts (or he should) to help it.
Doing both at once will be a test for him if he tries to.
balmy wolf
yeah xqc is good but has no pro experience at that level so he underperformed heavily during owl
and dafran's streaming honestly can go both ways
pearl stratus
He also overloaded his schedule. He was streaming for the same time he was scrimming.
You mentally can't keep that up.
balmy wolf
it can be seen as a de-stresser since he generally has fun during his streams
pearl stratus
Also diet, but thats huge.
balmy wolf
or it can be seen as a stresser since its added workload
pearl stratus
I mean I'm not saying get rid of it, but restrict it. Let him stream for like 2-3 hours on nights he's scrimmed. Don't overload the brain
balmy wolf
i mean tbh xqc and dafran are in the same boat
theyre entertainers by heart, not competers
pearl stratus
This time around more than his contenders bs I'm getting competitor vibe from Dafran more than entertainer.
For one reason.
Both xQc and Dafran maintained a bunch of their channels by toxicity - whether its the desk slam, the freak out, the trolling, etc.
He's done a good job ditching that.
Whereas we all saw what xQc did 😛
balmy wolf
yeah i have high hopes for dafran
karmic grotto
That's why Dafran doesn't stream as much as he did, only when he has free time
There were days he streamed for like 30-45 mins
He's taking his state and scrimming seriously
So I hope he will be fine and grow his potential more each day
pearl stratus
Twitter
Btw.
Please note: There will still be a LOT of GOATS played. Like a LOT. It'll will most likely decline as the season goes on but teams have been practicing for months, a ptr change doesn't suddenly mean the meta will shift instantly. Don't freak out and set your expectations properly.
worn falcon
slow walrus
🦀 GOATS IS DEAD 🦀
but honestly yeah goats will stick around until some super big brain analyst comes up with a comp that can destroy it
and it'll probably still be very meta on control/potentially assault maps
limber pine
goats will probably be like old-dive: you'll run it most of the time until you need a map- or counter-specific comp
slow walrus
goats is pretty cool honestly but I'm gonna miss seeing players like carpe and pine just click heads all day
limber pine
agreed
I've said that here before: I don't mind Zarya's, but having dps players on Brigitte kills me on the inside
slow walrus
ironically brig is a dps
she used to be even more dps with her stun combo
yeah I liked what dallas did where they had seagull go on dva and mickie go onto brig
it also worked really well for them
upper niche
I really really want to see Boss come out in OWL ;D
lol, Carpe and Pine on Brig.
Man, they really just need to nerf Heal-stacking already and be done with it.
second healer on a target only does 30% healing. third does nothing. Done. Sorted. No more triple-healing. Ana gets a slight nerf (due to anti not being as useful) making Mercy a more viable pick.
slow walrus
@upper niche but how would you decide how brig heals stacks with heal/sec like mercy's? an instant heal vs. heal over time wouldn't cancel very much
balmy wolf
i dont see what the issue with dive was
its the most coordination-reliant composition
i still perferred dive over double sniper/moth meta zzzz
seeing pros coordinate a dive is genuinely interesting. in dive you choose which hero you want to kill and in goats the enemy that makes a mistake is the one that dies
upper niche
@slow walrus does it matter? They can define a system for handling it, keep it consistent. What it is doesn't esky matter. People will cry regardless of what they decide.
balmy wolf
@upper niche the healing isnt what makes triple support on goats broken
it's the cc
well at least its not the stacked healing
upper niche
No, but the inability to out-damage targets would make them vulnerable.
balmy wolf
thats not why goats is broken tho
putting your changes would barely change the outcome
upper niche
In Goats you're basically clustered in a small area, but still have the ability to out-heal shit like sustained Junkrat and Pharah fire combined - including the splash damage.
balmy wolf
zen always keeps orb on rein, ana heals up dva/zarya, and brig just heals the other healers and herself with passive
upper niche
Uhh, no, it would massively change the outcome.
balmy wolf
who's we? 😃
upper niche
Really? That's your argument? "He defined a group of people he didn't give a specific explanation of"? Jesus fucking christ.
balmy wolf
you seem fun at parties, its ok ill let you pretend
slow walrus
I love it when you try to have a reasonable discussion and people like akashra come out with the personal attacks 😃
upper niche
@slow walrus He made a claim that he's made frequently which is known to be bullshit. It kinda kills any credibility when his argument was based on "X, therefore I'm right"
And then tried to just completely ignore it when called out.
slow walrus
the correct response is not to flame him my man
just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them wrong
stacked healing nerfs would make burst damage the best in the game
which it already is
upper niche
It's not about disagreeing, it's about disagreeing but claioming that the reason what I've said wouldn't work is because of his rank, like... what the fuck, even if he weren't lying, what he's claiming just isn't accurate at all. It would basically reduce around 50% of the healing that goes in to GOATS comps, which is what makes them so viable to begin with.
I mean even just using the example figures I gave, it would drop a comp like Ana+Moira+Brig from being able to heal what, nearly 180hps to around 110 max.
slow walrus
that's what you should have responded with instead of "uhh, no it would massively change the outcome"
you gave no evidence
so he increased his ethos
by giving himself credit
upper niche
pft, not really.
slow walrus
and you chose not to believe him instantly because why?? according to you, "even if he weren't lying, your point would still be valid"
so why do you need to tell him he's lying
that's just toxic
upper niche
When you go around trying to look cool and edgy by refferring to Mercy as "moth" and have to resort to telling others your rank like that somehow bolsters an argument based on raw numbers, your credibility is dubious at best to begin with.
Because around here, there's too many wankers who think "I'm plat/diamond/masters/gm/whatever, therefore I know more than you". It's a fucking stupid attitude that needs to be wiped out.
You playing any particular rank doesn't mean shit. It doesn't immediately mean you know more than another person. Regardless of where they play.
And if you have to fall back on that kind of unverified claim just to try to 'win' an argument, well fuck.
slow walrus
I would disagree. There's a good reason why most hiring t3/t2 teams require a GM+ peak to be a coach
and if you wanna say the entire system is wrong that's your prerogative
upper niche
Uhh, that's different logic though.
slow walrus
^
balmy wolf
slow walrus
huge hero pool diversity wowow
balmy wolf
ive spent a decent amount of time here
upper niche
So lying, or exaggerating? Which do you prefer?
balmy wolf
coaching, helping, community games, podcast
my guides are still written in #old-gameplay-advice pinned messages
and my podcast/comm games are still in #community-announcements from march
and im on a college league for overwatch that placed #15/477
i dont like flexing but ill do it when needed
now then
@slow walrus I'm looking forward to New metas tbh
gaunt acorn
how is this related to esports
upper niche
@gaunt acorn Goats 😃
balmy wolf
nyxl will have the most heavy change bc their best players are on very non-goats heroes, except jjonak
whereas teams like outlaws or philly have more diverse hero pools
slow walrus
yoo @balmy wolf my college team placed 68th!!
upper niche
I wonder how much of NYXL's late-season performance was inability to change vs sandbagging. I mean sure, the latter is what everyone accused them of...
slow walrus
Washington Bsports
balmy wolf
ayyy nice lad, we might not play against each other this league but hmu scrims and such
slow walrus
ah 78th nvm
lol we're a ~3k team so idk that it would be super fair but it's cool to meet another tespa player outside of my team
fair doesn't really matter but I wouldn't want to waste your time with a scrim you can't learn as much from
balmy wolf
if anything feel free to hmu if you need a ringer or even just some tips
our B team got placed against ASU in the beginning of the preseason
that was fun to hear in our server
slow walrus
yeah we went up against NUES OW A and B early in the season and A crushed us B was kind of a close match haha
our A team was 4th at some point but they made a paladins team and focused on that bc there was actual scholarship money behind it :sad:
slow walrus
UW gives us no money for esports we literally just have a student run organization (which receives minimal funding) and a lot of good players
when will we be accepted
prob never
slow walrus
hopefully they have plans and aren't just abandoning collegiate ow bc there's a good amount of money to be made
not by players but by making an NCAA league and making a bigger deal out of it
upper niche
Surely they'll put more money in to Contenders the way it's going.
I mean, if they want it to survive, they'd have to... right?
slow walrus
contenders =/= tespa , I'd argue that they could get so much more following and brand value out of collegiate vs. contenders
the viewership potential is larger bc college students and alumni will be more likely to watch and root for their own team, even if they don't play overwatch. No one is going to watch contenders who doesn't play overwatch
I'd also argue that it would be good for players, because you can get a degree before you go to owl or whatever in case OW sinks to obscurity or "overwatch 2" isn't a smash hit/another game comes and takes the spotlight
velvet kettle
isnt jayne a masters player
who just peaked gm a few times?
also tespa is complete trash
i wouldnt even consider it pro league whatssoever
slow walrus
He reliably gets all of his accounts up to GM
the only time he's masters is because he decays a lot
bc he does mostly other things than playing the game while streaming
velvet kettle
ive seen him in both gm and masters so ik hes capable of being gm
just dont watch his streams at all
velvet kettle
ahh
balmy wolf
ASU, maryville, UoT get full rides
velvet kettle
thats what you mean
balmy wolf
(by that i mean they give us checks so barely any of us actually use it for schols)
velvet kettle
lmao i wish my team consisted of more than 1 diamond 2 plats and a buncg of <golds
balmy wolf
its a matter of scouting and actually making yourself known
we basically had 1 mass email to students in regards to clubs/tryouts
balmy wolf
modern problems require modern solutions
velvet kettle
i faked a toxic ban notification to be boosting
and got my captain to believe it
then we had an eboard meeting where like all the captains of all the teams had to vote me off n shiz
hopefully none of them are active in this discord
balmy wolf
im barely qualified
i have the minimum # of credits needed to be considered a full time student
velvet kettle
i need to fix my grades tbh
balmy wolf
i found a loophole in tespa
you dont have to be an undergrad to be allowed into tespa
i already graduated but im finishing my minor, so technically i qualify
balmy wolf
even though im in grad school, the tespa admins approved my application to join
and so did the uni board
balmy wolf
even better part is academic schols cover most of the fees for the minor anyway
balmy wolf
emma
ill do it
@slow walrus before i forget
about jayne
I really genuinely do like his vod reviews and guides on ranked players
velvet kettle
emmie the new ellie
balmy wolf
But I personally do not think he can coach effectively for a high ranked Tier 1/2 team
This is 100% personal opinion full disclosure
velvet kettle
i can coach for a tier 4 team
balmy wolf
I really do appreciate his videos (and have used him personally for scrim vod reviews)
velvet kettle
if they are diamonds or plats
balmy wolf
I coached some masters team bc they were some weird rich kids and paid a lot of money without checking actual coaching prices
balmy wolf
no clue tbh
velvet kettle
well i just help out low elo players
on like 2 members of the two teams for my school even care about getting better
rest dgaf
balmy wolf
i coached a lot here, id like to think i wrote really effective guides in the #old-gameplay-advice pinned messages for all ranks
gaunt acorn
it's a clear anime reference
balmy wolf
one of them went to OD
and actually did considerably well for a high plat
his 2.8k team actually almost beat a 3.6k team
velvet kettle
o poop i got ice cream on my mouse
balmy wolf
was really genuinely happy with that
velvet kettle
but thats nice
if only my tespa team was able to beat a team of silvers when i had 26kk gold damage at 10 mins
and silver dammage was 5k
literally closest game of my life
slow walrus
yeah jayne is honestly a great coach imo like he's blunt and he expects players to drop their pride/egos and just accept what he has to say. Pretty funny guy too
When I tried to coach a team jayne-style I got backlash bc I was being "too harsh"
balmy wolf
i can be both
ive had a lot of like silvers and golds come for coaching and asked what they can do better to rank up and i appreciate that attitude so i give extremely detailed timestamps and whatnot with different scenarios and comps
then you have diamonds with that "i can be gm, validate me" attitude that just ticks me off so i tear their vod down bit by bit and if they disagree destroy them in a 1v1 and then continue onwards
theyre usually just tracer or genji one tricks so i just genji or soldier into that and its ez
jayne has that perfect balance
he gets the expectations of the people he wants to review and judges their attitude and responds with an appropriate tone
someone wants to be pro but understands they have a long way to go? jayne will be constructively critical and overanalyzes so that they get every bit of info properly
some 4.2 gm thinks hes owl tier and acts like hes one? (jayne will catch on with "retards" thrown every 4 seconds in chat) jayne will tear him down and make him feel like a gold playing
with that i feel like he would fit well in his role as assistant coach but in terms of raw coaching i personally dont feel like he can do owl
his contenders track record is.. subpar to say the least
upper niche
Problem with 90% of coaches (hell, people in general giving opinions on clips - hell, just look at the pathetic /r/[c]ow is at times with it), and you see this so much from Jayne, is their advice is often "you shouldn't have done this" or "you should have done this" - but they don't take in to account factors A though F which the player did and was the reason they made that decision. They're gods at throwing stones and not thinking shit through, and that's where it gets annoying listening to them.
It becomes more and more true the further down they try to critique.
slow walrus
would you say Jayne did well coaching team canada or was that mostly bc the team was so skilled?
@balmy wolf
upper niche
@slow walrus I woke up and OWC was over lol. They put the games in shitty timeslots for us 😦
slow walrus
idk where you're at but I'm in seattle so I get all the prime time pacific owl and owwc slots haha
that's unfortunate tho
upper niche
Yeah, they cater to the NA market :/
I'm still really eager to know how the hell they plan to handle the OWL2019 scheduling which they've been completely silent on, given that what was it, 11% of OWL2018 games ran on-time with 2 hour timeslots... and now they have four matches in 90 minute timeslots. We're gonna see broadcasts run 3 hours over.
gilded peak
Maybe have 2 games at once?
sullen berry
I dunno
Shorter more frequent ad spots?
They were 5 minute breaks with 3 mins of player results between maps and 20 minutes during halftime?
desert salmon
I play two games of comp and I get soooo tired. I can only imagine how it must be like for pros
balmy wolf
@slow walrus i would say the team was already stacked as hell
he didnt do a "bad" job coaching
sullen berry
And he was reactive, did you see how they used Team china's Strategy against Team UK and shut them out of podium position?
Stacked roster helpes with the execution
Which I wonder how Washington will stack up with WizHyeong sounding pessimistic about their performance in scrims
karmic grotto
Aren't scrims made to improve current state of the team?
IF the team is new, its no wonder they need to synergize with each other
same with all other new teams
forest raven
Scrims have proven to be absolutely meaningless since 2016
karmic grotto
if scrims are worthless, what is the deciding factor in a team?
personal skills and game sense?
gaunt acorn
they aren't saying scrims are worthless
they're saying wins in scrims are as good as worthless, if you can't translate those wins to real matches
if scrimming itself was worthless nobody would waste their time scrimming
karmic grotto
i thought so. cause maybe the underpowerforming teams can do much better under pressure in owl
you never know
balmy wolf
wins in scrims are not worthless wtf
a complete stomp of the enemy team is actually detrimental, because then you acquire bad habits
a close game, whether win or loss, is the most beneficial
also as for team canada in owwc, they did scrim and frankly imo the scrims didnt help them in terms of strategy it helped them in terms of synergy
callouts, who is shot caller, order of priority lf shots, preferred rendezvous retreat areas (most important), etc are all determined via scrimming with a new tesm
these are things that are usually determined by players themselves rather than the coach
so im hesitant to call jayne a "bad" coach because i truly think hes a good coach, but in the owwc scenario he didnt contribute much as the team was stacked as hell already
outer sorrel
if you can't translate those wins to real matches
balmy wolf
all scrims can be translated to real matches if its a close game
win or loss
every single one
also that was to draw not dray
please dont interject into a convo you dont know about
@desert salmon its different tbh
ranked is far more energy draining than scrims
in scrims you have a team that already knows how you play so well that they dont really rely on callouts, whereas in ranked theres the chances of throwers and toxicity and unfortunate leavers
not to mention a loss in a scrim doesnt lower your sr
2 hours of comp leaves me FAR more drained than 2 hours of scrims
im ready to go agane afterwards
you can tell from how most supports hates grinding ranked but are happy with playing 8 hours of scrims a day
custa, dhak (rip), nomi, bani, boink, etc
bani was borderline chat banned for toxicity lmao and in owl hes super nice
sullen berry
Linkzr saying bani or bunny was so clippable.
Some of the Pro pug matches themselves had some shining moments
balmy wolf
linkzr is so chill, i love watching him play
pearl stratus
Hm. YXL isn't looking half bad.
He's stacking with Jiqiren and Lateyoung on ladder right now.
They're on Korean Ladder too, so a real one.
Zarya needs some work but the three of them have instant cohesion, which is nice.
Maybe Chengdu won't be absolute bottom after all.
I have zero clue what any of this site says, but its the streams for most of Chengdu: https://www.huya.com/16844387.
obtuse glacier
R\woooosh
viscid citrus
If anyone is interested in joining a server that creates OWL fantasy leagues, go ahead and pm me
limber pine
Jayne is answering your questions on r/Overwatch. Come ask him anything: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ahc47p/ama_with_jayne/
balmy wolf
lets see if he responds to me
pearl stratus
I asked if he was happy that Leave wasn't eligible for OWL so he didn't have a team he knew he'd lose against.
.>
Whose stronger: An entire country of leaves and maple syrup or one chinaboi.
balmy wolf
Hi Jayne!
Your videos have gotten me from mid ma...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ahc47p/ama_with_jayne/eedfml6?utm_source=reddit-android
he replied!
supple prism
neat, now how do i get past plat
limber pine
sweet now I know @balmy wolf 's reddit account
balmy wolf
isnt it attached to my discord
oh shit it isnt
oh well now you can see my avg 2 posts a year
lapis tartan
hey I am just recently trying to get back into ow after a long time away. I am very interested in the pro scene but I don't know the teams, if anyone knows where I could start to learn more about the teams, people, league in general, that would be great!
green stump
@balmy wolf ohhhhhh snap it's happening!!!
balmy wolf
@lapis tartan ok ill give a brief overview
In general with Overwatch esports, there's 3 tiers
Tier 1 - Overwatch League. The BEST of the best. Aired on ESPN with real sports.
Tier 2 - Contenders League. Right underneath OWL. These guys you can barely tell the difference from OWL in terms of raw gameplay. There's more teams and are more open in terms of open tryouts (like my tryout for their NY Contenders team in my picture above) than Overwatch League, which is more for closed invites/team acquisitions
Tier 3 - Open Leagues. These are anyone who are trying to make a name for themselves in any tournaments that aren't regulated by Blizzard. The most easily recognizable one is Open Division, directly sponsored/hosted by Blizzard. The winning team of Open Division moves on to become an official Contenders team (there's 3 OD seasons a year). Alongside OD you have college leagues (I'm in that), general tournaments (like in #tournaments), and general teams just looking to improve
balmy wolf
There's also the World Cup, it happens once a year and has closed tryouts and usually contains members from OWL and Contenders
I believe so
If you mean the Toronto team then yes
balmy wolf
well somewhere in canada
yeah thats contenders
@green stump slasher and i might be put in the same tryout 
lapis tartan
Is the Atlanta team new cause i didnt see them on owl season 1
lapis tartan
Ok cool im East coast and Atl is closest
balmy wolf
ayyy
lapis tartan
Im thinking about what team to be a fan of
lapis tartan
Oh wow thanks yeah that was concise
balmy wolf
also in general in terms of choosing a team
this is 100% personal opinion
if you dont have a team representing your area
find players that you enjoy watching/seeing
for example im houston outlaws because im a houstonian
lapis tartan
Who won the first season
balmy wolf
are they the best team? not even close imo
lapis tartan
Lol
pearl stratus
Point of note: There are rumors of no more World Cup, so don't think too hard about it just in case.
balmy wolf
but i love watching each and every one of them playing and i really love their community involvement
going to watch parties in downtown houston was so much fun, and they all recognized the college players so i explained a lot of the plays and it was incredible
pearl stratus
Actually the Houston thing is fitting right now. Because they're a pretty bad to meh team, but like your standard professional sport they had teams they were just a good match for.
Like London, who ended up winning Season 1.
balmy wolf
And yeah London won s1
pearl stratus
But still went 0-4 against Houston.
lapis tartan
How is Atl looking so far
balmy wolf
atl is controversial
lapis tartan
Ah damn
pearl stratus
They have potential, but potential doesn't mean anything.
balmy wolf
- they have a LOT of extemely talented individuals
imo kodak would be a better aggro zen than jjonak and dafran is THE best soldier
i am very comfortable in saying he is the best soldier
pearl stratus
There's really no way to actively judge any new teams, because synergy and the organization itself plays so heavily.
The only expansion team you can even really have a clue on is Vancouver, since its Runaway.
balmy wolf
@lapis tartan They are stacked imo
pearl stratus
But Runaway also hasn't had to play in a league like this.
balmy wolf
stacked = lots of good players
lapis tartan
Yeah and usually you stick with ur home team even if they suck
balmy wolf
yep yep yep
pearl stratus
I still don't think Atlanta is stacked. Their DPS is meh af.
Not going to change my mind.
balmy wolf
basically atlanta has a lot of good individually skilled players but not many of them have much experience in terms of professional play
lapis tartan
i love watching spirit but grizzlys arent owl so
balmy wolf
dude dafran and nlaaer are fucking insane in ranked BUT i have no idea how they are in pro scrims, when i say stacked i meant individually skilled tbh
lapis tartan
well that’s good at least
balmy wolf
i cant wait to see tbh
pearl stratus
There's never been a situation where you'd want to run double hitscan again minus Widow + Tracer.
And neither of them are a good Widow lol
balmy wolf
nlaaer is a widow main tho
pearl stratus
Not a good one.
balmy wolf
i would argue like
hesbbetter than babybay but worse than linkzr
which... isnt saying much
pearl stratus
I mean thats the thing with Widow, because stats are misleading for it so its awkward.
Do you know, by stats, who the best Widow is on LAV?
balmy wolf
i go based off of pressure
pearl stratus
Because its Kariv.
balmy wolf
i can tell he knows where to put the most pressure in terms of sight lines, kinda like kephrii (except aggro)
tawny sigil
when does season 2 start
balmy wolf
isnt there a command for that
lapis tartan
Next month right?
balmy wolf
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
pearl stratus
I've just never seen Nlaeer put on a performance worthy of me thinking he was good enough for OWL.
balmy wolf
feb 14th
pearl stratus
Now if they'd picked up say... Davin instead of Nlaeer?
Different conversation.
But LNL was probably cheap.
tawny sigil
on valentine day
balmy wolf
either he popped tf off in try outs or they value his consistently average performance
pearl stratus
(Not for Widow, for overall dps)
balmy wolf
lnl WAS cheap
trust me
they even considered letting me on
and im a low college player lmao
they just wanted the $$$
pearl stratus
Yeah, which is why there's a bunch on ATL.
balmy wolf
it sounds mean but ..
pearl stratus
I'm pretty sure ATL ran out of budget quickly.
And an okay hitscan for a cheap pricetag was okay.
balmy wolf
dude have you seen ajax's performance??
👎
he got killed mid beat drop 3 times in ONE MATCH
pearl stratus
Dogman carries the support on Academy.
lapis tartan
Guess time will tell with Atl
pearl stratus
And Dogman still has his own issues, the youngsters on the team show that they're still learning often enough
But its usually only when they're under pressure.
Which few teams put them under.
balmy wolf
dogman 🙄
dude there was some drama recently in contenders talk
appaently bis called out a decent amount of them for win trading/boosting
pearl stratus
I was actually pretty disappointed this last season of Contenders. Not that many people (who hadn't been in OWL) really looked like viable pick ups.
balmy wolf
contenders in of itself last season was meeehhhhhhh
pearl stratus
For NA.
balmy wolf
its still meeeehhhhhh
pearl stratus
China has a lot of decent looking pick ups.
Hell the entire T1W org should be picked up as an Academy team.
balmy wolf
dude i still feel bad about the shd team
i remember reading all that shit about china getting hoed
pearl stratus
Wait Shanghai itself or Team CC?
Team CC got fucked by the World Cup.
Because so many of them looked so good.
OWWC left a huge power gap in Chinese contenders, actually.
balmy wolf
im gonna try to find it but apparently the players that got on the shd team werent the ones who were supposed to join
pearl stratus
Oh way back when.
Yeah no.
That was a U4 thing, well known.
IT's why China didn't support the team, and were accepting of them bringing in Koreans.
The only person who deserved to be on original Shanghai was Diya, arguably.
pearl stratus
All of their pick ups have made sense.
The Korean power rankings actually put them at #4.
balmy wolf
ngl i thought she was cheating too
pearl stratus
Which is o.O
I'm excited to see how Chengdu evolves now that they fixed their tank problem.
They've got arguably the worlds best Hammond too, and I really think we're going to see Hammonds role blossom soon.
sullen berry
Because she didn't lmao
At least all I remember of it was this wasn't something the players involved really had a recording of her hacking
Some Lijiang map they got tilted and reported her for cheating in ladder
sullen berry
GZ Charge Joins Contenders China: https://twitter.com/GZCharge/status/1086443178008420353?s=09
@gaunt acorn
gaunt acorn
thanks
balmy wolf
alleged cheating
ngl i thought she was when i saw the clip until she proved it won't
wrong*
it was a clip from a tourney where it legit looked like she aim locked
hidden vault
(I know it was a bug) but is it possible to actually do that kind of flick?
slow walrus
it's circulating as a gif now but basically it shows in slow motion her aim moving back and forth between her ally, her enemy, and another enemy like spot on
either way it's just bc she's insane and not bc of any hacks
blizzard cleared her and she did a live stream that was verified by a news source as being hack free
balmy wolf
she has an incredibly high sensitivity
balmy wolf
best overwatch league season two color scheme?
jagged crater
spark pink obv
balmy wolf
xd
jagged crater
feel lioke too many teams are getting too similar
gaunt acorn
i like vancouver now that i've seen it on skins other than junkrat & ana
but i mean i am from vancouver and already liked canucks colours
jagged crater
ofc there's only so many color combos you can have, but there are so many red blacks and blue reds
hunters looks very generic
like right in between fusion and mayhem
jagged crater
balmy wolf
washington justice sounds kinda lame lol
jagged crater
for justice
balmy wolf
pharah loves justice lol
gilded peak
Korea Contender Finals is in 30 minutes, right?
muted inlet
I wonder what's the original Team GOATS think about the Overruse of their comp?
supple prism
or how it was improved from the original
gilded peak
Boo, was hoping Goats would lose...
tawny sigil
lol they broke the trophee
supple prism
yea
tawny sigil
cheap shit
supple prism
they just got it and intantly break it
tawny sigil
took .1 second
supple prism
can you imagine breaking a trophy like the Stanley Cup? lol
gilded peak
LOL, I just had to exit the stream... damn
supple prism
well they did have like 9 people all grab it at the same time
jagged crater
Blizzard even cheapened out on the trophy lmao
tawny sigil
its about cutting cost!
gilded peak
Well, I guess they literally did cut it
tawny sigil
spend millions on all that shit... but the trophy make sure its some quality dollar store stuff
cant even afford real metal
love the randomly generated clip name
deserving
mossy turtle
Anti goats is easy if you got an insane sombra and ash. 😃
gilded peak
Which reminds me, which update were they playing? Before or after the Brig nerf?
mossy turtle
You all looking forward to owl s2? I’m kinda anxious with all the new teams
tawny sigil
too many teams... i watched like 95% of last season
not gonna be possible this time
5 match a day 4 days a week
wish there was a match rating system so i could watch the entertaining match later on
hidden vault
Who is america's best widow?
Sintraa? Babybay?
And no please do not tell me it's Kephrii or Mr 14
tawny sigil
well linkzr was on an american team, i dont think he is american though
gilded peak
Linkzr? Or that other dude, but I think he was from France
and I forgot SureFour was Canadian
I don't think I ever remember watching Sinatra play Widow.
hidden vault
Linkzr is finnish
gilded peak
I'm honestly gonna be burned out on OWL S2, was a bit burned out with the amount of matches there was in the first season. Especially when there were few matches that ended ~9:30 pm
tawny sigil
they expect you to follow 1 team
balmy wolf
Lol never change reddit
Got downvoted for saying Geguri is a low-tier offtank and for saying Mickie's Brig wasn't the best in the league
It's basically a case of "why are you booing me I'm right"
tawny sigil
facts dont matter in these lands
gilded peak
Mickie's Brig was the beginning of when everybody found out how OP she was.
tawny sigil
emotions > facts
surreal lichen
Just bored but any black people in OWL?
balmy wolf
Mickie has always looked really good as a pioneer of a hero, but then looks mediocre once everyone else catches up and gets better
gilded peak
Hmm, 1 or 2? I know one of the new teams have a black player, I think?
supple prism
snow?
balmy wolf
Snow isn't in OWL any more
supple prism
oh
gilded peak
The new guy from Ghunzo Charge, I think
balmy wolf
Oh yeah Kyb
rancid hound
Fantasy League: Ladies of Leek Love is live 😉 offline draft date TBA message me for a inv link and password
eager karma
heh?
rancid hound
It's a fantasy OWL league
eager karma
whats that?
rancid hound
Draft a 10 man roster of players, then put 6 in each week. Points are given for kills and ults used and taken for deaths
scoring is explained here
Whoever wins the league gets the title 'biggest pp' and gets to meet my mom
rancid hound
I think up to 10 people
there are site wide drafts on winstonslab for a week by week basis tho
hidden vault
@balmy wolf don't worry about reddit
Why do you think Mickie is a bad Brigitte and Geguri a low tier tank?
balmy wolf
I never said Mickie was a bad Brig, I just said that there were others better than him.
And Geguri always seemed to lack in peeling for her supports when they needed it. Then again Geguri was in a less than optimal situation and we can hopefully see her prove people wrong in S2.
balmy wolf
hes like a solid brig
not bad not amazing but consistently above average
even in ranked games
supple prism
the hell