esports-discussion

[sullen berry]

I saw this hidden comedy gold in the video description of the Charge vs Dynasty match

Here's a rePPlay of our Pacific Challenge show match with Seoul Dynasty, can't wait for Overwatch League to start!

also this good read from the GZ Charge owner http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqp2ue

[sleek zephyr]

mykl leaked scrims 😂

[pearl stratus]

I think the more amusing thing is that through roundabout shit the people who were doing the really stupid shit about the Ellie situation probably fucked up their careers.

Like the moron who wanted to try and doxx the person to find out.

Also side tangent joke:

Caring that much about whether or not someone has a dick is super gay. Like ridiculously super gay.

[sullen berry]

@sleek zephyr all that video showed is that atlantic division is still going to be highly competitive?

I didn't need a vod to tell me that

[pearl stratus]

Also showed Atlanta being manhandled like a contenders team.

But I didn't need a vod to know that either.

[sullen berry]

I do want to know how much Dynasty will fare against the new faces from Korean Contenders: Runaway, Meta Bellum, X6, 02 Ardeont

showmatch aside

[karmic grotto]

Vancouver Titans?

[sullen berry]

pretty much

[pearl stratus]

I think it will be interesting, since we never saw Dynasty running what I'd consider a "game comp"

They just rotated everyone in, and it was clear that at no real time was there the single best roster in.

So it could be the same as their show match, or completely different.

[sullen berry]

runaway
s2 kondoo panthera core
meta bellum core
x6 & seven
02 Ardeont

Element Mystic

[pearl stratus]

Side tangent - Owner of Second Wind is pretty class.

Slammed the article in its own right, and slammed the player base of OW just as hard. A+ work.

[sullen berry]

the toxic/troll parts of the player base seems a tad sadistic at times

Second Wind does a really good job at maintaining their composure

Greyy though

[pearl stratus]

I mean his message was simple: "We hired a player. You all made it into something else and stupid. She's not a symbol, she's not even a girl to us. She's just a player. You're all dumb as fuck."

Was the tl;dr.

And I'm A+ with that, because if you really care about if she's a girl or not you're a moron.

[jagged crater]

I'd love to see girl repping high level dps tho

[sullen berry]

at contenders

[jagged crater]

Damn shame

[pearl stratus]

I just want to see good players.

[sullen berry]

these shouldn't be so bothersome of a detail

[pearl stratus]

Caring about whether or not someone has a dick is super gay.

[sullen berry]

watch kephrii in pacific

[pearl stratus]

I have.

But mostly for Water.

Because Water is a monster.

[sullen berry]

I think if he made a serious deep dive into his Korean team

I could very well see them in top 3

did not expect top 4 until I started seeing Water play

[jagged crater]

Could at the very least reduce the stereotype if she actually played

[sullen berry]

with contenders it's pretty challenging

but that's like saying going online to play in a scrim is hard

[jagged crater]

Logically you try not to think about superficial factors like gender or race, but culturally so subconsciously ingrained that we do make a deal out of it

[pearl stratus]

She joined super late though, so I understand not wanting to fit in a new dps at that late in the season.

She joined right before Christmas, iirc.

So counting holidays the scrim time was probably non-existant.

[sullen berry]

They would have never known if she was the new Mickie

clutch it out and playing their first contenders match at the tail end of Second Wind's decent showing

[pearl stratus]

On a side note, I think I've watched Atlanta Academy get destroyed by Fusion Uni like 3 times now.

Because its funny to watch ATL get demolished because they can't play anything but Goats well.

Inanimate objects had more kills on Pharah than Saucy did.

[sullen berry]

Whoru still looking to be a must have dps in OW League season 3?

[jagged crater]

Was leaked owl scrim all goats?

[pearl stratus]

Mostly, from what I remember.

I think WhoRu is going to be interesting, because he's got a relatively bad reputation in Korea.

So I could see a few teams just not picking him up at all.

[sullen berry]

@jagged crater 80% confident it was all goats

just scrubbing through it, a cat purrs at the beginning of Numbani

[pearl stratus]

If you're a new team though, like ATL is

You'll favor goats because its a very intricate comp but probably the easiest to manage as a group.

[jagged crater]

Good to see dafran playing and calling a lot

[pearl stratus]

Especially with language barriers.

I guess? Didn't really help much.

I stopped watching it because it was goats, and it was like watching an infant fight an adult.

Which is boring.

[sullen berry]

they flicked in a wrecking ball quad tank

I am looking forward to any quality hammond in general for that sweet playmaker potential if we're seeing goats

[pearl stratus]

I'm hoping we see a lot of Hammond out of Chengdu honestly.

Because the way their roster is set up their "main" tank is Ameng, but he's better known for his OT.

So I could see them running a weird Hammond Goats counter.

China does tend to have the edge on creative comps, so I'm hoping.

[sullen berry]

in the same vein that uprising had the edge on spitfire as early as stage 1 with their dive

I do have high hopes for the Chinese teams

for chengdu, more than anything

to see them be up there for play-in or playoff potential

depends mostly on how their dps looks

[pearl stratus]

They have solid DPS, my biggest concern is their tank line tbh.

They just have so many of them.

I'm psyched to see Yveltal play more though.

His Lucio is a joy to watch, dudes game sense is superhuman.

If YangXiaoLong maintained his skills anywhere near the way Leave did too he's going to be fun to watch.

The guy was just the hit scan version of Leave, always pretty insane.

[sullen berry]

I have faith that YXL will do well up against the bottom tier teams

because I have no indicator based on how people play PUBG relative to their mechanical skill

at least their team won't co-ordinate like this https://clips.twitch.tv/EvilAgitatedTurtleOMGScoots

[pearl stratus]

Poooor Skyfoxes.

[sullen berry]

their brigitte had already left spawn

[pearl stratus]

I mean if he comes into form as quickly as Leave did I think his only limit will be the fact he's Hitscan. Because I think Leave could have played against any skill level team if he was 18.

Original MY was so talented across the board.

[sullen berry]

we now live in a post-MY era

so they must press on

We now have GuXue, which I'll let Bren explain eloquently
https://youtu.be/_z2mOr3LG20?t=74

@sleek zephyr scrim footage has been removed, fyi

[karmic grotto]

I heard scrims VOD was released?

Why?

Aren't those suppose to be private?

[pearl stratus]

Apparently the story is that Gator was uploading it for his own save stuff, and forgot to privatize it. He fixed it pretty quickly.

But during the time before he fixed it a few people downloaded it

Like Mykl.

Who then tried to monetize it.

Because he's garbage.

[limber pine]

^^^

[sullen berry]

By linking it to the sad publisher who let's him post his content

As expected, really shoddy on mykL simply posting a link to the unlisted video on the article

[pearl stratus]

I wonder if Joemeister is getting a free ride as part of his coaching salary.

That'd be pretty pog actually.

[slow pollen]

Getting hyped for FEB.14!!!!!

Let's gooo!!!!!! 👌

[jagged crater]

People suspicious, not necessarily hating on her just because she's a girl

[ruby pendant]

don't know who she is

[jagged crater]

Yed

Well death threat people are their own class, they just psychos

Didn't realize there's only 5 contenders games

Skyfoxes goin 0-20 in maps, that's rough

XL2 looking good. Did cloneman play any games? Noticed MT is the only role with sub.

[pearl stratus]

Skyfoxes actually made Shanghai look redeemed cause Shanghai could at least win maps lol

Cloneman played a lot

Also huge win for Goldenboy.

The Titan Games show destroyed some rankings, and he looked good on it.

[jagged crater]

Goldenboy poggers

Shanghai had a 15% map winrate by comparison

[green stump]

@near edge
There were suspicious because the player did not have to reveal their name when they were signed up while all the other players had their identities public while ellie did not.

So people had no idea who the player was

[pearl stratus]

And instead of handling it like adults, they went full blown retarded. I blame the parents because coat hangers are cheap.

[tropic prism]

Most prominent people online get death threats, male or female is not relevant to the equation, it just depends on the environment, platform, things you put out there etc, they are never warranted and the people who make them should be punished to the full extent of the law but male or female is irrelevant when it comes to death threats.

[green stump]

Kephri would get constant threats all the time didn't he?

I think a lot of people expected her to do what geguri did and prove herself. Geguri pretty much earned the love and respect of the community by wanting to be a gamer more than anything else

[pearl stratus]

I don't care about the death threats per se, thats just people proving why abortion is not only a valid but potentially mandatory choice for some people.

But wanting to just doxx someone and share all their public information?

That's just stupid as shit.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus they revealed all the other players on the team, the fact that this one player was immune to that is what set off people

[pearl stratus]

Who cares?

Who cares that much.

Just don't be a stupid cunt. Its a life lesson lots of people can learn.

[green stump]

Because then it can be abused like that one person from hearthstone

[pearl stratus]

For what? A person who isn't playing? Added randomly to a roster on december 22nd and people are freaking out that over christmas they saw no playtime

[green stump]

It's pretty easy to do. Say you get a new player, never reveal them, use a half baked reason to protect them, put another player behind the computer who isn't allowed to be, no one bother to check, done

[pearl stratus]

I guess shadowburn must have turned into a dragon futanari fleshlight in the last stages of season 1, because he didn't play so I can't prove he didn't.

Putting a name on a website won't stop that.

[green stump]

Just saying, that's how easy it is

[pearl stratus]

Prove to me that Sugarfree isn't played be a 23 year old lesbian named Chuck who identifies as a toaster.

Until that happens, Sugarfree is a 23 year old lesbian named chuck.

[green stump]

Well you can't stop the lengths people will go, the internet is the internet, best thing to do to protect your players is don't give the internet an excuse to go digging

[pearl stratus]

Meh, just kill 40% of the people born post 1990.

Easier solution.

[green stump]

However, I'm more worried that this is another stupid publicity stunt for female gamers to get into the pros and not be because of their skills.

The last thing we need is another team siren

[pearl stratus]

Eh I go with the Second Wind Coach who called everyone out on being fucking imbeciles and wastes of oxygen.

Both the articles and the incels on reddit/twitter.

[green stump]

It just keeps getting worse...

Why can't we just have everyone do what geguri did...

This just makes her look so much better

[pearl stratus]

I mean she got to play for a half season.

She probably won't play for a lot of next.

[green stump]

Doesnt change what she did, no one can question that she wasnt respected more after she said she didn't want to be a face for female gamers because she wanted to just be a gamer

[jagged crater]

sugarfree just keeps getting younger and younger, is he the reverse benjamin button?

[green stump]

If this turns out to be second wind using a girl just to get publicity and not actually for skill and quality, it will ruin them

[pearl stratus]

Either way the community won't be redeemed.

And 90% just look like cunts all the time now.

[jagged crater]

but why male models?

[pearl stratus]

I mean we all know most of the gaming community is reprobate socially lacking wastes of oxygen.

But they can stop proving it constantly.

Beating a dead horse at this point.

[green stump]

Lol except most of that community has saved the face of gaming from people who would abuse it time after time again.

After all, i don't see anyone else calling out the crap from ea, Activision, it Bethesda

[pearl stratus]

Because no one cares about that, except gamers. Thats a self contained argument.

So it has no actual point to public perception.

[green stump]

?? Why wouldn't it? The community protecting itself from people who would lie and cheat?

If it turns out that say, second wind used this whole thing as a publicity stunt and used some girl like a marketable prop, then what?

[pearl stratus]

Literally nothing. A few people will feel justified, and the original article will still matter more.

[green stump]

Then all that happened is that people got away with using a girl for publicity

[pearl stratus]

And a community will still be the ones who bullied her into quitting before it could be proven either way.

And it'll still be "This is why e-sports is sexist and more girls don't play."

Just some gamers get to jerk off to the fact they were right.

[sullen berry]

speculation intensifies

[green stump]

Its easy to do that, it's easy to point a finger and use an excuse to avoid your mistake.

But i ask you, how many times has someone tried to use a girl as a marketing stunt where the form wasnt all that great and out of their league?

[pearl stratus]

Why do you hate women so much?

[sullen berry]

though Nai has a valid point if we had less circumstance and more truth revealed, but that's going to happen overnight 🤞🏼

[green stump]

I don't

[sullen berry]

that's not what I read

[pearl stratus]

You seem to only care about the what ifs on why shouldn't have joined the team.

You seem to be upset a girl joined the team without fulfilling your criteria first.

Why do you dictate how women join?

Thats a lot of hate.

[green stump]

What does this suddenly mean i hate women when I'm asking how many people have used a woman for clicks instead of respecting their skill and ability

[sullen berry]

I'm too busy looking into the what-ifs when Charge makes it into their first stage playoffs

I assume both of you are behaving in this argument?

[green stump]

@sullen berry ill do my best!

[pearl stratus]

I'm devils advocating how easy it is to spin any argument to just pure hate because of the stupid jump to conclusion mat that is gaming culture.

[green stump]

The sirens, renagades from league are pretty obvious ones

There's that one player from hearthstone

[sullen berry]

@pearl stratus I don't see how this turned into a women's argument... but then you are making the point a bit more transparent to us now so thanks

[pearl stratus]

The only facts we have is she was signed December 22nd.

Christmas is the 25th, New Years the 1st.

And people flipped out in 9 days when the next game was Jan 3rd and she didn't play.

[sullen berry]

was this faster than dafran's faux announcement?

[green stump]

We know someone named ellie was signed, as in the gamertag ellie

[sullen berry]

it's about the same tbh

[pearl stratus]

Also this wouldn't be the first time someone got something without it being worthwhile.

Look at half of Paris' roster.

They're signed just because they're EU, not because they're the best.

Greyy alone is actually pretty dumpster, but they weren't about to sign a Korean.

[sullen berry]

don't really understand how the Ellie saga had got spun into Ellie being a player who never actually does the playing during ladder

[green stump]

How much have we seen of ellie?

[pearl stratus]

Because it was a girl.

Literally the only reason.

[green stump]

Lol no it's not

[pearl stratus]

It's an incel argument at its core.

[green stump]

But it's nice to think that

[sullen berry]

not too caught up about the details so I'm not going to be critical about it if I wouldn't do the same for dafran or colourhex

[green stump]

I don't think there's a lot of evidence of ellies skill set

[sullen berry]

same can be said for Krillin

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[green stump]

Pretty much

[pearl stratus]

Same can be said said for 95% of Contenders.

[ruby pendant]

lol, ya still triggered over this, been over an hour!

[green stump]

Not really..

[pearl stratus]

Really? Because I'd take an ambiguous blob named Ellie over Saucy.

[sullen berry]

@ruby pendant you've kept time since you've left

[pearl stratus]

Who can't even hit a fucking Pharah on McCree.

[green stump]

Okay.. but again

[pearl stratus]

And needs a street sign to get the kill.

[green stump]

How much have we seen of ellies another

[pearl stratus]

Who's better vs. Pharah? Saucy or a Signpost.

[green stump]

Er about

ABILITY

[ruby pendant]

[pearl stratus]

Never played, so you don't know. It could have been a gamer tag swap to play pro.

[sullen berry]

*Ellies ability

[green stump]

My phone why

[pearl stratus]

WHOSE AMENG.

[green stump]

So we don't know if ellie is good or not?

[pearl stratus]

CHENGDU HIRED A RANDOM GIRL.

[sullen berry]

@pearl stratus oh yes

[pearl stratus]

On wait, they changed their fucking gamertag.

[sullen berry]

pick up straight from second wind

[pearl stratus]

😛

[sullen berry]

and right into the OW League?!

the madness

/s

[green stump]

Lol at least when geguri was asked to prove herself, she did

[sullen berry]

are you referring to chengdu's community lead

[green stump]

What about runaways manager? Who doesn't love her

[pearl stratus]

Geguri wasn't asked to prove herself because it was rumored she was a girl.

The situation was very different.

[green stump]

How?

[pearl stratus]

because having a vagina wasn't part of her proving anything.

[green stump]

Ellie was asked to prove herself

[pearl stratus]

If you don't get why thats different, I feel really really bad for you.

[green stump]

Why is geguri different?

[pearl stratus]

... Geguri wasn't a known girl during her accusation.

That came out after.

[green stump]

... okay but the gender isn't what was asked, the skill was asked

[sullen berry]

we're talking on two different parts of the timeline 😐

[pearl stratus]

The reason why it was asked was gender driven.

[green stump]

They asked to see the player perform

Why is geguri proving herself suddenly not important but ellie is suddenly more?

[sullen berry]

that

that is double standards authority

[green stump]

Pretty much...

[sullen berry]

so we can agree then the comparison of skill is disparate between geguri in OWL and Ellie for a T2 team

for the wrong reasons? sure

is it fair? Course not

[pearl stratus]

Yeah this is a counter incel argument, and I'm relatively done with it.

[green stump]

Sounds good, your getting really really heated over this

Until more information comes out though, it's safe to say assumptions aren't the best idea

[sullen berry]

@pearl stratus had a blast, but I hope that clears things up

isn't this channel all about the assumptions?

[green stump]

But the last thing i want is this to become a publicity stunt, my gf will be pissed

[pearl stratus]

I mean I'm content since I know the base reasonings I explained are all that will matter. Just sets NA contenders back some more, and makes the community look like shit.

[sullen berry]

@green stump same here

[green stump]

It just looks... The exact same as the others again..

The siren shit was just... Awful what they did to those girls

And this is exactly the same crap

[sullen berry]

you want to DM some more about this? It's the first time I heard about that one

[green stump]

You never heard of the sirens?

[sullen berry]

no (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

just dm what I need to know

[green stump]

@sullen berry
I'll send you a video but im short, all female league of legends team who was promoted as a marketing student that insulted the pro scene and made the girls avoid being seen or played against, find out every player wasn't even high tier, they were mid ranged and ultimately made every girl look awful as the drama grew

[sullen berry]

eh

I believe I know a little bit about this from the fringes

wasn't OW related, as I might have assumed

[green stump]

Its well known in the gaming community for how bad it was, the video will be more detailed

But yeah, those girls turned into massive jokes and they were practically forced to become living memes because of the other behind them

[jagged crater]

yikes

[green stump]

@jagged crater very very

[pearl stratus]

https://twitter.com/esportstvnews/status/1081259806558547968

ESTNN | Esports (@esportstvnews)

We are removing mykL from ESTNN. Without our approval, he posted the VOD using his login info. We are not looking to cause any controversy or leak any vital league content. We apologize for any trouble this has caused. The article has been removed.

Twitter

For a little good news of the day.

Btw @green stump we both lose based on current news. We're both right, and we're both wrong on our own merits.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus that's even better than i hoped that we can find reason in our failure XD

What's the current news

[pearl stratus]

Punisher was Ellie, as a social experiment, that SW didn't know of because they didn't verify over the holiday season.

[green stump]

And God damn it mykl.... xD

@pearl stratus ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?! WHY?

[pearl stratus]

He wanted to see how people would react to a female contender player popping up.

So we got the angry its a girl reaction, and a huge set back for future female gamers because they'll undergo insanely more criticism now.

[green stump]

That's so fucking stupid! The damage they did with that bullshit

[pearl stratus]

If Aspen is correct in her leak, which I don't see why she wouldn't be as she's not even a prominent figure.

[green stump]

Women aren't fucking marketing props

[pearl stratus]

I think we stopped using them for experimentation a while back too.

😛

[green stump]

Apparently not to second wind

That memo never reached them

See that's even worse.... That's just so damn stupid

[pearl stratus]

She actually mentioned flat out that SW didn't know, verification hadn't been done yet.

Which could fit with the timeline of Dec 22 to Jan 4th and holidays.

[green stump]

Even if you were right, that would have been a way better option than this

I would gladly be wrong than this

[rustic plaza]

xd

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, hence us both losing as my starting comment. Well I guess contenders can be a joke for a bit longer.

[green stump]

A loooot longer

[rustic plaza]

punisher taking all the blame for himself

better guy than i thought

[green stump]

Lol think this is just a trick and they are looking to find a way out? @rustic plaza

[rustic plaza]

it isnt just punisher

[pearl stratus]

I mean SW could have known, but its like the whole HappyAstro trade thing with London vs. Boston.

Gotta prove it to go much deeper.

[rustic plaza]

arent u glad u have an info source

[green stump]

@rustic plaza well as much as you can share that's verified at least

[rustic plaza]

yeah i dont think i should share the parties involved

punisher taking the blame is a smart move

[green stump]

That's what i mean, only what can be shared

[rustic plaza]

and its a fine outcome

having aspen leak it is a good play too

[pearl stratus]

I mean I'm sure there's certain female gamers who are providing information is interesting.

[green stump]

@rustic plaza yeah but the problem is the journalists who already reported it

[rustic plaza]

they gotta backpedal

[green stump]

If they choose to

They could just leave it there

[pearl stratus]

They could also flip again.

If you're going for a social experiment go the full way.

[green stump]

Depends what gets the most clicks

[pearl stratus]

Ellie is girl with new account, flips to being played by punisher to watch everyone get righteous indignation it couldn't be a girl, Aspen claims account for self.

And now everyones confused.

That's what I'd do at least.

[rustic plaza]

that cant happen

aspen cant claim it lol

like this issue is done

[green stump]

Everyone looks bad, the marketing planner behind it can get away without blame, scapegoat is made, female gamers look bad for another year

[pearl stratus]

On the plus side we get to see a bunch of people say things like "Men are the best female players in contenders"

[green stump]

@pearl stratus just contenders? Isn't that also being done in football, modeling, and etc as well....

[pearl stratus]

No, its from the meme of Men are Women of the Year.

[green stump]

Oh and that one fighting thing

[pearl stratus]

Because of the Jenner thing.

[green stump]

... I'd like to forget that

[karmic grotto]

... scrims

[pearl stratus]

Didn't have any from the teammates twitters.

A lot of SW is like young young.

So Christmas fucked over scrimming.

[karmic grotto]

Winning scrims won't make you better, losing it will. I believe from what I've read about ATL, ATL will improve alot

[pearl stratus]

Maybe they'll kill a Pharah 😛

I'm never letting Saucy live that down.

[karmic grotto]

I mean about Reign

But yes, Academy needed that Widow

haven't seen Widow

[pearl stratus]

Oh, they may do okay. But getting rocked by NYXL's arguably worst comp isn't a good sign.

[karmic grotto]

But

They got 1 map

That's something big against NXYL, who scrimmed for months as a team in S1

[pearl stratus]

I mean Shanghai got them to Map 5 game 3.

I just hope there's no fallout for them for the vod leak thing.

Because I could see teams not scrim them anymore.

[karmic grotto]

ATL lost? no problem

@pearl stratus yeah but it was accidently leak

and some had to spread it

[pearl stratus]

And?

[karmic grotto]

evil people

[pearl stratus]

Accident or not, you've leaked a vod of scrimming. I wouldn't want my scrims leaked whether it was intentional or on accident.

And I wouldn't blame a team for saying no to scrims over it.

[karmic grotto]

I agree with that

Not sure why even YouTube

When you just can save it on your SSD

[pearl stratus]

Mykl monetization is all youtube.

[green stump]

Well.. mkyl is in hot shit now lol

[pearl stratus]

Remember when he said you should never share vods?

[karmic grotto]

big problems I would say

not the first time he did something like that

[green stump]

@pearl stratus remember when he was trust worthy to begin with?

Wait..

[karmic grotto]

never was

leaking Dafran

He tries to build up his reputation like, maybe Jayne, but he is not Jayne

[green stump]

Is this the final straw for him? Is his legacy truly over

[karmic grotto]

Please yes.

[green stump]

I know he wants to be the next slasher

@pearl stratus overwatch Central reporting on it

[pearl stratus]

I doubt it.

If his team drops him as a coach

That will be the tell all.

[green stump]

Video out

[karmic grotto]

??????

[green stump]

??

[jagged crater]

You guys read the comments on the kotaku article? Looks like outrage for the wrong reasons

people so quick to overreact , it's ridiculous

[rustic plaza]

xd

[pearl stratus]

Outrage is for the right reasons, wrong context. It's stupid because it doesn't change anything but make OW communities look worse, and women less likely to want to go pro.

Vote for me as the next president and I promise to kill 40-50% of all children born after 1990. We can fix this world.

On a side tangent these korean "spicy" rice cake things just taste like straight gochujang so they're not spicy at all.

[jagged crater]

fighting generalizations with generalizations

[pearl stratus]

2/10 will not rebuy.

[green stump]

@jagged crater i never go to kotaku anymore..

[jagged crater]

kotaku has been a joke for a while

but it sure knows how to rile things up

[rustic plaza]

we're all misogynists

[green stump]

Yup...

https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1081302874167173120?s=20

Rod Breslau (@Slasher)

Regarding Ellie:

• Ellie has said in private messages to teammates in the last hour confirming she has not been the one playing, she is a 17-year old girl but is 'not good' at OW, no Second Wind players/mgmt knew
• Blizzard is currently holding a meeting with SW players/m...

Twitter

[karmic grotto]

jebaited

[worn falcon]

Wew, enough to reach Blizz management

[green stump]

Well.. this definitely isn't making their pro scene look good

[jagged crater]

Good job Frank Castle

Social experiment gone wrong

[sullen berry]

@green stump on the bright side, their success so far hasn't depended on her playtime

[green stump]

@sullen berry lol but ohhhhh boy are their fans gonna give them hell for it

[whole breach]

Did anyone ever get the mercy overwatch league skin? I haven't watched the esports in a while and I still really want the mercy skin.

[pearl stratus]

For which team? Or are you thinking the breast cancer one?

Only three heroes technically got unique OWL skin/emotes: Lucio, Genji, and Tracer.

[green stump]

.... What if you lost 40 games in a row and got rewarded with a dragons spray

[limber pine]

lol

[twin cobalt]

#worth

[pearl stratus]

Or won 0 maps in a season, and got a Skyfoxes emote.

Which is just your character crawling into a trashcan.

[green stump]

Someone at blizzard get on this stat

[twin cobalt]

Just want OWL to start😤 😤 😤

[pearl stratus]

I honestly think the 0 maps won in contenders is worse than all the losses.

Because its all the losses, with all losses in the losses.

[green stump]

Or if you went 3 minutes 46 seconds and got a akm signature on your genji blade

[twin cobalt]

@pearl stratus like the browns going 0-16 last season???

[green stump]

Btw, props to dallas for that contest

[balmy wolf]

@green stump any update on the Ellie situation?

[pearl stratus]

It'd be more like the browns going 0-16, and never scoring any points.

Ever.

[green stump]

@balmy wolf ... Jayne says something

[vagrant niche]

So ellie not real

[green stump]

@balmy wolf yup, lots of stuff, ellie not real

[vagrant niche]

right?

[green stump]

@vagrant niche right

[vagrant niche]

can now people stop bitching about sexism etc?

[green stump]

@vagrant niche nope, kotaku reported on it

[balmy wolf]

Like a pseudonym or worse, made up controversy?

[vagrant niche]

pcgamer too

fake news

[balmy wolf]

Ohhh Good.

Can we now sanction the team owner?

[limber pine]

i mean, it's still sexism and terrible comments even if ellie is fake

[vagrant niche]

OWL tmz is going to be spicy tonight

[balmy wolf]

because this is what sports leagues do

they sanction fraudulent news reports from teams

[green stump]

@balmy wolf its another player named punisher who was playing the account, they said that it was a social expirement and just makes women look worse for the rest of the year... Yayyy . Good job

[pearl stratus]

Yeah her turning out to be fake doesn't change how the community responded to it sadly. It's why it was always a lose lose situation.

[vagrant niche]

@limber pine from what i understood, people suspected it to be punisher, and that's why it got out of hand because they were saying it was a guy instead of a girl, in this case punisher

and it got spun as sexism

[green stump]

@pearl stratus were learning it was actually just 1 dude and his friends and the women thing is being thrown up there to cover tracks

[pearl stratus]

Doesn't change the communities response though, thats what I was trying to say earlier.

It's a lose battle across the board, even if it all turned out to be fake.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus yeah that's what i mean, it might be a smokescreen

[pearl stratus]

Doxxing and death threats don't go away because there's a penis involved now.

[karmic grotto]

So actually: it was a girl, to see if the team would accept her becuz of her stats, turns out to be a guy?

So that guy boosted the girls accounts?

[green stump]

Jayne posted this

Check out this clip! Jayne streaming Overwatch! https://clips.twitch.tv/CrepuscularFamousStrawberrySwiftRage

[pearl stratus]

So the end results are: Community looks like shit, Punisher/Team looks like shit, OW looks like shit, Women are less likely to push towards T2 and higher pro play.

Basically; Everyone loses, good job internet.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus jayne knows something...

[pearl stratus]

I saw earlier, sadly doesn't change the end results.

[limber pine]

Everyone loses

[pearl stratus]

Intention on words doesn't end up justified just because of what ends up being recovered later.

[vagrant niche]

we lost nothing cause at the end, it was just fake. Anyways, idiots who make death threats etc I would not consider them part of the community

cause i would send them out

[pearl stratus]

I mean thats fine for you, but not the rest of the player base and anyone who read the articles 😛

[green stump]

The issue currently is that a lot of outlets are trying to make the ENTIRE THING about the one dude and his friends and not the others

[pearl stratus]

Everyone lost.

[vagrant niche]

lol, big OOF on the xd guy

[green stump]

And that's going to make things way worse

[pearl stratus]

I mean its just Greyy, he's just lucky he got out of contenders.

xd

[green stump]

@vagrant niche the guy who did it is being hunted by the community that's for sure

[pearl stratus]

Greyy actually should have been more sympathetic. He's sort of a PR stunt.

[green stump]

The doxxer and his friends are known for this behavior apparently

[vagrant niche]

time get on reddit

let me go put some 🍿

this going to be a good night

[green stump]

Not just this, slasher saying it could have been more than one player on the ellie tag behind the stunt @vagrant niche

[balmy wolf]

All this really does is expose the hypocrisy of the League.

Fake News or not they can't feign moral decency and then let this go by without restitution.

[pearl stratus]

I mean

There's a meeting with SW and Blizzard in like.. the next hour.

[balmy wolf]

@green stump as per usual, much obliged my friend 😃 thanks for the following up

[pearl stratus]

That's a pretty fast reaction time imo.

Especially for Blizzard.

[balmy wolf]

@pearl stratus I did not know this.

Will they have a presser?

[pearl stratus]

Oh, the initial slasher tweet got deleted.

No clue. No obligation to, especially as initial leaks show that SW had no knowledge.

I'd assume fact finding at this point, tbh.

But you know as much about it as I do at this point.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus yeah the meeting is about to happen but apparently there might be more people involved with it than stated

[vagrant niche]

@green stump do you know what's sad? most people who say this are not going to hear about this follow up and going to keep thinking about sexism etc

[green stump]

Well... That's just the nature of things

People will believe what they want

[pearl stratus]

It's also still what happened. The end result could be "and everyone was entirely tricked"

But people still said what they said.

Thats the real point at the end of the day.

[balmy wolf]

Tricked or not, this is a team owner that can face lawsuits over several fronts

[pearl stratus]

There is no owner.

Second Wind isn't an org.

[vagrant niche]

wait, lawsuit for what?

[balmy wolf]

no one owns that franchise?

[pearl stratus]

It's just a team.

It's like 7 guys and a coach.

[vagrant niche]

it's just fake news

[green stump]

I'm just disappointed that the normal cover up is happening, nothing has been learned, and once again, proving that anyone can create drama and get away with it

[vagrant niche]

xQc didn't got away with it

[pearl stratus]

I mean arguably he did. He was only released, not banned, and makes the same if not more money now.

That's kind of the definition of getting away with it 😛

[green stump]

Journalists are still going to push the woman thing forward because it gets more attention

[pearl stratus]

I mean the tweak just becomes "This is what female pro players now have to look forward to" with the same messages/dms etc.

[balmy wolf]

You don't think the manager could be sued or sanctioned over this Endoken?

What makes it worse is that if there is no direct bankroll to them and they finance themselves then the lawsuits will simply ruin the individuals involved.

[green stump]

And not the fact it was a very bad publicity stunt with extremely suspicious activity

[pearl stratus]

They don't even have sponsors. The most that would happen would be a contenders ban for the whole team, which would be fair.

[balmy wolf]

Justin Hughes can be legally sued over this

[limber pine]

for what?

[balmy wolf]

breach of competitive contract

[green stump]

@pearl stratus only if they were directly involved, this might be a thing where the players are bring punished for someone elses political agenda.

We don't need another toranto esports thanks

[balmy wolf]

I will wait and see what happens 😃 this isn't finished but then again we may not have a public announcement apart from "it's settled"

[green stump]

Not going to be for a while and now that the wrong people are involved, those players are going to be punished for another person's lack of common Sense

[balmy wolf]

This is part-in-part why competitors in other leagues have advocates, i.e. agents.

well I hope the fix this mess and OWL thrives

[green stump]

Owl won't be touched

[balmy wolf]

Directly? Sure. Indirectly? Pulling money just needs and excuse.

[green stump]

Owl will be fine, what will likely happen is blizzard is going to turn the people involved into an example

[balmy wolf]

Would be good if so.

[somber rain]

Does anyone know how much tickets are expected to be for the stage 4 week 5 Valiant Homestand? I can't seem to find info about it.

[worn falcon]

@green stump inb4 players excuse "we were bored lmao OW is dead"

[green stump]

@worn falcon chances are there are going to be a few unknown people involved

[sullen berry]

how about dot esports on this

https://dotesports.com/news/what-is-doxxing-overwatch-ellie

I wasn't even linking the original post

https://dotesports.com/overwatch/news/north-americas-first-female-overwatch-contenders-player-steps-down-after-harassment

[green stump]

@sullen berry 10 bucks says that originally said first female overarch pro player before they remembered geguri

[sullen berry]

@green stump jokes on you, they wanted to emphaise the first player on the way up to pro

[green stump]

Yeah but the media hates her

She did but she also wanted to prove herself as well

She knows how the internet is already, she accepted it, and instead of being a victim, she proved her place

[karmic grotto]

What media? Incel media?

They're everywhere

Bunch of no life people without future than only writings false things because nothing goes well in their life

[sullen berry]

I'd rather not name names

[karmic grotto]

^

[green stump]

@silk wolf people are thinking he's just the scapegoat

[sullen berry]

"It's doxing time. not for malicious intent, just to figure shit out" - Haunt 2018

[green stump]

Because they need this to go away like now

[sullen berry]

really takes the edge off when you realise what we know now

[green stump]

@silk wolf the big thing is that details are being ignored hard to push things

[vagrant niche]

maaan, i never seen so much drama other than in the FGC

we get so much drama to keep us entertained

until the new season starts

i wonder if they do it on purpose

[green stump]

@vagrant niche also the mykl thing too

[vagrant niche]

what happened to him?

[green stump]

@vagrant niche he fuuuuuuuuucked up

[vagrant niche]

?

[green stump]

Hard

[vagrant niche]

he leaked something

[green stump]

Yeah he leaked owl. Scrims

[vestal mortar]

yikes!

[vagrant niche]

doesn't aero do that?

[green stump]

@vagrant niche not before owl started

[magic zinc]

He uploaded it and monetized it didnt he lol

[green stump]

@magic zinc yes

[vagrant niche]

oof

[magic zinc]

Well other teams get to view your strats

Thats not very handy

[vagrant niche]

big oof

[green stump]

@silk wolf it was atl Anand nyxl

[vagrant niche]

atlanta and xl?

[green stump]

Your releasing information that their opponemts can now use to prepare for you on the next games

[vagrant niche]

was dafran playing?

[magic zinc]

He was

Afaik

[vagrant niche]

OOF

[magic zinc]

I didnt see the vod lol

[vagrant niche]

was it Jjonak, anamo, Meko etc too?

oof

he got the big wigs

[green stump]

@silk wolf basically, ummm... Currently right now there is a big rumor about what the owl team metas will be due to... Things... Happening

So that was like the golden chest of knowledge

[vagrant niche]

no Ashe?

[magic zinc]

Its about the principle of having vods leaked

[karmic grotto]

So yes. From what I've read about the leaked VOD of nyxl and ATL, 3-1 for ny, Dafran gravs where eaten alot

Many goats

[magic zinc]

This particular vod wasnt exactly the most exciting thing afaik

But thats not really relevant

Zen goats mirror right

[vagrant niche]

maybe they were sandbagging again

[green stump]

@magic zinc it was for other teams who are now knowing that those teams are going to do goats and you can prepare for it

[karmic grotto]

But wasn't it obvious?

[green stump]

Especially the teams doing the blossom. Comp

[karmic grotto]

Goats is the new meta

Why?

[green stump]

I'm sure there is a lot of security for Vancouver

[sullen berry]

what difference does it make to see vancouver vods

[green stump]

@karmic grotto because it's the runaways

[sullen berry]

just watch contenders season 2

[green stump]

They are the monkey wrench atm

[magic zinc]

Yeah its obviously a problem lol

[karmic grotto]

Former Runaway team :)

[magic zinc]

And ofc Mykl would monetize it

[karmic grotto]

The OWL caliber team

[vagrant niche]

so what's going to happen to Mkkl?

[green stump]

@karmic grotto which one? The new runaways are just as scary

[karmic grotto]

The former ones last seasons

With Haksal

[sullen berry]

all the security in the back, none at the front
OWL Streams will continue to be raided where no moderation is involved

[karmic grotto]

Etc...

[green stump]

I kinda wanna see both groups go head to head, that would be amazing

[karmic grotto]

Both Runways? And then battling for Titan spot?

:P

[green stump]

@vagrant niche well.... I know the slasher server has a Target on his back but people are assuming he'll lose his coaching position

[sullen berry]

@silk wolf let's not forget Shanghai has the remaining players from Kongdoo Panthera

things only get interesting from here

[karmic grotto]

Isn't runaways Korean team?

[green stump]

Yes

[karmic grotto]

Nyxl vs titans might be interesting

[green stump]

There are going to be a looooot of fans for runaways for their first game..

People are really hyped for this season.. its surprising how much other are antsy for owls return

[karmic grotto]

More teams, new players

Owl is just the best of bests

[sullen berry]

Titans vs any team early first stage will be interesting
Feb 16 v
Feb 24 v
Feb 25 v

by logic of team predictions

these would be guaranteed wins

[green stump]

They need to make the team rivalry better though

[karmic grotto]

Guaranteed wins?

Not against Shock

Might be draw

[green stump]

We only got houston and dallas or glads vs valliant

[sullen berry]

and certainly not out of the picture for Shanghai Dragons either

[green stump]

I want to see some bad blood games

[sullen berry]

@green stump for clarity whose we

[karmic grotto]

Oh God

[sullen berry]

[magic zinc]

There were plans of a pre-season right? Is that even on the cards anymore?

[green stump]

@karmic grotto i meant that in the general sense XD

@magic zinc yeah that's still going

[magic zinc]

If it was we'd probably know about it by now wouldnt we

[karmic grotto]

I know that lol but he said it in another way

[magic zinc]

Seems very short notice otherwise

[sullen berry]

@magic zinc they don't have anything scheduled for preseason, but I'll wait for updates in the next 3 weeks

@vestal mortar

[karmic grotto]

ATL Reign :( why tho

[vestal mortar]

Yeah I was hoping to hear something before the new year

[sullen berry]

I really want those skins on display

[green stump]

If the preseason turns out to be super exciting, then they will have a massive turnout for games

However

The biggest question will be the patch

[magic zinc]

10 bucks says there is no pre season cus Goats

[karmic grotto]

It's better to lose scrims than winning them Change my mind

[green stump]

Because we have one more patch most likely before owl so we need to know the next patch

That will change everything

[vestal mortar]

Yeah maybe that is why they are delaying/not doing pre-season

[magic zinc]

Tara did you switch allegiance back to Seoul? 👀

[sullen berry]

@karmic grotto washington justice has been losing lots if not all their scrims

[vestal mortar]

I always have an allegiance to Jehong

[green stump]

Lol

[magic zinc]

Still an Outlaws fan at heart I see

[sullen berry]

Totally wasn't for Houston Outlaws

[karmic grotto]

But how good are the players of WJ on individual level?

[green stump]

:I my state doesn't have a team.. and I'm Japanese so i have nothing

[sullen berry]

that doesn't necessarily translate to poor overall performance @karmic grotto

[vestal mortar]

I will get a Seoul jersey too if the new merch is added to the EU store smh

[sullen berry]

look at houston

[karmic grotto]

So it's more a team thing?

[magic zinc]

I'm Dutch closest thing I have is Paris and we hate the French

[karmic grotto]

Guess team synergy matters alot

[magic zinc]

Oof Tara they had such a huge clear out sale

[green stump]

@magic zinc we can be outsiders together

[sullen berry]

Houston can 3 times out of 4 take out London Spitfire which every other team that's not NYXL had a hard time against

[green stump]

Wait don't your have the trio tough?

Er though?

[karmic grotto]

But hey still, losing scrims is a way to improve

Especially against top teams

So ATL losing 3-1 is still good considering that NYXL already established a year ago

[green stump]

Will we have the same casters for owl? Cause owwc was crazy good

The casters for the world cup made it so fun to watch

[sullen berry]

maybe m o r e

[balmy wolf]

owwc was good

[sullen berry]

you can cycle the 3 pairs of casters over 16 games over the course of 1 week

[magic zinc]

I hope we get a new duo

[sullen berry]

but that might be

[karmic grotto]

We need the viewer to make it perfect

[balmy wolf]

but we need Sjokz tbh

[sullen berry]

a little bit much for UberX, Doa/MonteCristo, SemmHex

[balmy wolf]

Imagine for 30 seconds

Sjokz and xQc

[karmic grotto]

Worldcup viewer <> OWL viewer

[balmy wolf]

head-to-head

[green stump]

If they could add the casters to the owwc viewer and have an option for caster view that would be greaaaaat

[balmy wolf]

I like that too

[green stump]

I'm guessing they are working on the viewer atm so it can be ready for owl

[sage ruin]

Idk if this has been discussed already but what do you think about the free to play predictions

[green stump]

Are your ready for plat and under to get screwed if that happens

[balmy wolf]

I would be

I'd get to hone skills more

[sage ruin]

I’d be prepared for the onslaught of plebs who have good aim but no idea how the game works

[pearl stratus]

Also people making account after account after account.

To smurf throw etc.

Games should always be paid because it keeps out trash in large volumes.

[sullen berry]

obviously there are some heavily invested fans who will be up in arms about free to play.
Do keep in mind this is not the place for this @sage ruin

imagine all that money saved on origins edition accounts

for OW jerseys

[karmic grotto]

Free to play? Hell no

I don't want trollers in my team

I'd rather pay in f2p mode, for a separate ranking system

Don't wanna play with kids and people that will throw the matches for fun

[pearl stratus]

Nah it impacts esports too. Anything that impacts the ladder impacts your long term health technically.

[sage ruin]

Would it be in #overwatch ?

True

[pearl stratus]

If your ladder gets even worse your funnel gets worse etc.

[sage ruin]

It could also impact exposure of some people who wouldn’t have bothered to pay for the game and they get it just cos it’s free to find out they are a god

[pearl stratus]

My opinion is there's a reason csgo didn't go f2p for almost 10 years.

Keep your trash out.

[karmic grotto]

^

[sullen berry]

@sage ruin sure, seeing it may be controversial you may get a different reception about it than us

[karmic grotto]

Need SMS protection to play OW

Not only top 500

[pearl stratus]

Nah that wouldn't do anything.

I just wish we could do ssn linking personally.

[sullen berry]

they wouldn't enforce SMS on overwatch specifically

[sage ruin]

Csgo isn’t f2p. The BR is but not the game itself

[karmic grotto]

Something needs to be done

I wanna play with serious players

Of my rank without much MMR difference

[pearl stratus]

Like I could arguably see the game going f2p in Korea but they tend to handle their stuff better.

[sage ruin]

SMS?

[karmic grotto]

Solo main support

[sage ruin]

Ahhhh

[karmic grotto]

[sage ruin]

That makes ALOT of sense now

[karmic grotto]

Anyways, if it does go f2p, what will change more: hero balance of ladder or pros

[pearl stratus]

I'd rather see the western game get a lot more aggressive with punishment long term. But automated systems are very unreliable.

So that won't happen.

[sage ruin]

I think punishments are too harsh. I understand why they are put in place but they are too big too fast

In the pro scene

Not ladder

[pearl stratus]

Oh no they're not. A 1k fine for first offense is pretty nothing.

Historically first offense is 1k for general misconduct, 2k for next plus maybe a game or two suspension, then 2-4k with longer suspension.

That's a solid increase.

[sage ruin]

It’s a chunk of money in a 50k salary BEFORE tax

[pearl stratus]

Any punishment over that was meted out by the tram. Not the league.

Team, not tram. No punishment trains.

It's 2% of their pay at most.

[sage ruin]

Explain the xqc situation then. Why did he get 5k fine and 2 stage suspension for “general misconduct”

[pearl stratus]

He got 2k and 4 games.

The additional came from Dallas.

Not owl.

[sage ruin]

First time round

[vagrant niche]

do you think they should punish the girl and the guy with a fee for damaging other people's reputation?

[upper niche]

@sage ruin Because it was repeated.

[pearl stratus]

That was his second offense. He came into the league with his first offense being throwing on stream during preseason.

[sage ruin]

You mean the Ellie girl?

He never threw on stream.

[upper niche]

Also, cos it wasn't hard to find evidence of xqc being a dick, just watch any stream for an hour.

[sage ruin]

That was Dafran

[pearl stratus]

No that was also XQC.

[sage ruin]

He had all the reports that he wrote

[pearl stratus]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20760635934?page=1

[sage ruin]

That’s cos blizzard were man hunting him. They wanted to put their diciplines into action on someone so chose xqc cos he exposes himself so much

[pearl stratus]

Ah okay you're one of those.

Moving on then.

[sage ruin]

😂😂😂😂

Gotcha

Just wanted to see if I could trigger anyone

I know what he did was wrong and he deserved punishment

I believe that

I just think it was harsh that’s all

[pearl stratus]

Nah. I'm American. I'm immune to arguments from illogical idiots. I've got a presidential preparation for it.

:P

[sage ruin]

Your president is a fuckwit tho

[pearl stratus]

Exactly.

[sage ruin]

Oh

I just got that

[green stump]

Last horse

[pearl stratus]

So far in my opinion the league has been pretty fair despite no written rule book for a while. Things were primarily consistent, but teams went overboard

I. E. Philly with Eqo.

That being said going nuclear the first time through stops a lot of shit long term, so it's effective.

[sage ruin]

Didn’t he boost or something?

[pearl stratus]

No, he pulled his eyes into slants and said he was Korean.

[sage ruin]

Oh shit.

I mean he plays as good as one

😅

[pearl stratus]

Owl gave him a standard first offense fine. Philly upped it by a few thousand, suspended him, and took away his streaming for a few months.

[karmic grotto]

The fuck

[pearl stratus]

Also the only issue Philly has ever had with misconduct. So it worked.

[sage ruin]

Ok. I get it now. And it makes sense cos the teams have the sponsors that they need to worry about

[karmic grotto]

Money greedy companies

[sage ruin]

The league have no sponsors to worry about losing

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, but the league is primarily pretty fair.

Yes they do.

[sage ruin]

Ish

[pearl stratus]

Leagues got a lot, and vested interest in public opinion.

But they've still been arguably fair.

[sage ruin]

@karmic grotto it’s always about money these days

[pearl stratus]

Money and setting examples. Like XQC didn't have to learn from his fine. His stream paid it for him in like.. Two hours.

But all of Philly learned from eqos punishment.

It's like the boosting law in Korea that just passed. It can come with up to two years jail time for boosting. Will it happen? Probably never. Will it scare people? Yup.

[sage ruin]

Fair enough. So cos the league has no set rule book. Teams are individually taking into their own hands to sanction

[pearl stratus]

I think it's also to show the league that they're just as serious. Kind of a "we're on board" showing of unity.

I could entirely be talking out of my ass of course. But logically it's my thought. They need to behave for the league to grow to more than just gamers.

Look how many famous people had their livelihood ruined for decade old BS last year. You can't overly afford to slip up or let people get away with stuff.

[sage ruin]

^

Couldn’t agree more

But majority is to do with the fact if word gets out that the players are doing this and the sponsors name gets involved at all that’s them OUTTA there so the teams are being strict (I’m not gonna call it harsh anymore). the sponsor has a brand image to retain and if their name gets caught up with some racist behaviour by eqo then they aren’t gonna want a part of it

[green stump]

@pearl stratus
https://twitter.com/Phase2OW/status/1081338244577546240?s=20

Phase 2 (@Phase2OW)

Due to recent events, the team has decided to part ways with the @Team_Kungarna brand.

We will be rebranding for all future endeavors. Follow for more updates to come.

Twitter

[pearl stratus]

Bahahahahahahaha

A+ end to the day.

[upper niche]

and Kungarna are...?

[pearl stratus]

Mykl's brand

The tl;dr of that tweet is: "We're dropping Mykl as a coach, and his shitty team name"

[green stump]

@pearl stratus thought you'd enjoy that

[pearl stratus]

Btw Nai.

You should follow the COO of GZ.

[upper niche]

Yeah I dunno who that is either ;p

[pearl stratus]

Eddy Meng.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus what's going on there...

[pearl stratus]

He's doing pretty interesting posts about running a start up expansion team for the OWL.

[upper niche]

Yeah, really not clearing things up.

[pearl stratus]

No drama, no politics.

Just how it is to make a team from the ground up.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus waiiiii>t what?

[pearl stratus]

Figured you'd like that kind of stuff.

[green stump]

@upper niche mykl is a guy who wants to be the overwatch news guy, who leaks bad info a lot

[pearl stratus]

@upper niche Mykl was a player originally for a Contenders team named Kugarna, which he ran. He was a big mouth and general nihilist with a huge ego that no one overall liked. His team imploded when he refused to step down from the starting roster.

He kept the team and stopped playing after that, then attempted to become a leakboy, using a youtube channel to monetize his content to survive.

He's relatively despised, and recently monetized a link to a leaked ATL v. NYXL scrim from OWL.

And it imploded on him, hard.

[green stump]

He's doing wonders for slashers brand though XP

[pearl stratus]

He was dropped from the website he was writing for, now his contenders team that he was coaching for dropped him and his brand.

@green stump Started here, btw: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqp2ue

[upper niche]

THat's more explanatory.

[pearl stratus]

Sorry, i was going to explain just wanted to show that to Nai first before I forgot.

[green stump]

And I'm going to be reading that for a while! Poof!

[jagged crater]

Mykl got too greedy yiked

Thought he can earn a quick buck with the leak

[karmic grotto]

He knew what he did was bad, even stated in the past that sharing VOD of scrims is something he would never do

And guess what he did

[vagrant niche]

https://twitter.com/ottrboii/status/1081294881920901121

ottr (@ottrboii)

we've all been had

Likes

121

Twitter

[jagged crater]

Some juicy drama today. 2 in one day!

[green stump]

@jagged crater can't wait for mykl to bring the juice.. owait

[karmic grotto]

XD

[vagrant niche]

xd

[karmic grotto]

What's up with people these days? Are they so hyped for OWL that they have to improvise some drama?

[green stump]

People are hungry for anything from owl these days

[karmic grotto]

But it's closer than you think

5 weeks man

5 weeks

February 14th

[worn falcon]

5 weeks is a lot

[karmic grotto]

yet close, yet so far away

[jagged crater]

The leaked scrim was using pre-shield Nerf brig

[shy wind]

OWL really is an anime

😰

[limber pine]

What a day

[balmy wolf]

https://twitter.com/SecondWindGG/status/1081380610223075328

Second Wind (@SecondWindGG)

Official statement regarding Ellie from Second Wind management

Read: https://t.co/iYv7jXy01n

Twitter

long story short

its not ok to blanket everyone questioning a very suspicious acct as sexist/misogynist, however theres definitely people who were doing it purely bc grill

[rustic plaza]

only punisher going to get outted for it

well played

[short vault]

im still confused about this whole ellie thing

wait holy fk

so people were right

dafran

[balmy wolf]

long story short

random no name top 4 NA "girl" was reached out to by South Wind to join contenders

constantly got out of publicity things and seemed hella sketch about everything she can do

people genuinely wanted to know anything about her bc shes a random new acct that no one has ever seen before on t500 NA ranked ladder (not even me)

turns out it was a fake alt and now theyre playing it off to be some misogynistic shit when people just wanted to know about this random no name suddenly dominating the ladder

not to mention "she" just got a brand new pc with a 2080 and when "she" tried to do a proof stream "she" streamed at extremely low settings at 30 fps

[worn falcon]

also https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1081302874167173120

Rod Breslau (@Slasher)

Regarding Ellie:

• Ellie has said in private messages to teammates in the last hour confirming she has not been the one playing, she is a 17-year old girl but is 'not good' at OW, no Second Wind players/mgmt knew
• Blizzard is currently holding a meeting with SW players/m...

Retweets

745

Likes

3254

Twitter

[green stump]

@balmy wolf Mykl fucks up and the ellie drama...today was exciting right? 😛

[balmy wolf]

ooooo yeah

i already forgot about gator

[green stump]

XD all the channels were going crazy

[balmy wolf]

king mykl

[green stump]

@balmy wolf and then theres the 1.3gb patch download that just happened

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

[balmy wolf]

king of being a bot in scrims and using one source for multiple "leaks" instead of leaking everything at once for the sake of seeming like you know everything

i have yet to see a consistent mid gm player be THAT bad in scrims

[green stump]

It was a good day, full of lulz Leggo

@balmy wolf OH!! are you going to joing that colligate thing?

the tespa tournament?

[balmy wolf]

https://youtu.be/q24QnmCdggM

3:20

also im already in it lol

only reason i can afford to do college atm

[green stump]

@balmy wolf Dude Im glad for you

[balmy wolf]

hold up

need to find

https://compete.tespa.org/tournament/111/team/23656

[green stump]

Naisu!

[balmy wolf]

we finished #15/474, not top 10 so we didnt get the blizznet popularity

but im very happy with that finish

[green stump]

thats not bad though

[balmy wolf]

0 funding from school, 0 coaching (just self vod reviews), like 10 hours of scrims a week on top of classes

hella prouc of us

[green stump]

Hows the Tespa organization though? better than OD?

[balmy wolf]

ay cheers lad thanks for the supp

lol its better than contenders

at least we get money

[green stump]

thank fucking god

[balmy wolf]

people say collegiates suck (which is usually true with the 90% of college teams being jokes) but we at least get paid and scouted for owl 😛

as for being jokes

a LOT of teams are comprised of B/C teams that are just participating

[green stump]

you mean an actual organization where you could build your talent and public image? my god....the miracle has come

[balmy wolf]

for example, my uni has 3 teams. Premier, Red, and White (red and white are from the uni color)

premier is a 4.3k team, red and white are ~2.2/2.4k teams

[green stump]

has the reception been good for it so far?

[balmy wolf]

theyre just participating for the sake of participating

extremely

[green stump]

WOOOO thats sooo good!

[rustic plaza]

tespa is like top 2 is decent

[balmy wolf]

there are forbes articles and weve gotten invited to a couple lans in houston just to particpate

[rustic plaza]

skill wise

[balmy wolf]

idrc i get schols out of it

[rustic plaza]

ya

its good

its pog

[balmy wolf]

im squeezing this shitty game dry

[green stump]

the fact that collegate is more organized than OD and Contenders is funny

[rustic plaza]

idk how much more they can do

to make tespa. more competitive

[balmy wolf]

tespa at least has employees

[rustic plaza]

if that makes. sense

cuz they are doing a lot

[green stump]

@rustic plaza I know what you mean

the real T3 has come 😛

[balmy wolf]

it does but to make it more competitive the schools need to put emphasis on the importance

OD has and most likely will always be a shitshow

[green stump]

I called that they would turn the college scene into a serious thing

[rustic plaza]

top OD is more competitive than tespa rn os my issue

[balmy wolf]

with people just buying/selling 9-0 spots

it is, bc the top of OD beats the top of tespa

[rustic plaza]

when tespa has so much more effort and structure

[balmy wolf]

i wont say which contenders team we managed to scrim but they arent close to the best of t2 yet mopped the floor with us

[rustic plaza]

big problem is out of state being so expensive

[balmy wolf]

the difference is you can do online schooling

[green stump]

@rustic plaza maybe you should apply for the college scene as a coach, that might be a good avenue for you to go

[rustic plaza]

i would expect ucirvine to grow

[balmy wolf]

i was offered a position at ASU for this fall semester for online schooling (since im studying grad school abroad) but i personally dont think i can handle all that commitment so i declined

[rustic plaza]

decent college

cali has big playerbase

[balmy wolf]

the colleges to look at for growth:

[rustic plaza]

like if i was in cali id take ucirvine

[balmy wolf]

Uni of Toronto, Maryville, ASU, Rutgers, and UC Irvine

[rustic plaza]

oright uoft

[balmy wolf]

ASU has the balls to actually try to recruit collegiate players

thats commitment

[rustic plaza]

i could consider uoft

idk how their pharmacy program is tho

[green stump]

I say go for it, it would be good on your overall look

[rustic plaza]

idc about participatinf in esports myself

i just want the paper that says i can sell. and make drugs

[green stump]

@rustic plaza I mean its something you could attach to your resume

[balmy wolf]

pharmacy programs anywhere are pretty... lackluster

[rustic plaza]

if uoft has a full ride scholarship for it i would

[balmy wolf]

pharmacy itself is a dying industry

[rustic plaza]

otherwise my tuition is cheap af

ye still decent tho

[balmy wolf]

they cut the UHCOP pharm school down to 1/6

[rustic plaza]

if i was a biology guy i would go for med

[green stump]

@rustic plaza my gf feels for you, I told her your korean and under 22, so you dont get to have a life yet

[rustic plaza]

im a chem guy so i want to go pharm

[balmy wolf]

its decent rn but by the time you get licensed (american stuff only, idk international) itll be really hard to find a well paying job

[green stump]

@balmy wolf But seriously dude, Im super proud of you

Im glad your into something much more organized

[rustic plaza]

saturation is a big problem everywhere

for pharmacy

ill just have to win

[balmy wolf]

(currently enrolled in med school from UH, our pharm program is basically getting cut to bare minimum due close to 0 demand for pharmacists)

and cheers nai, i do hope we get LAN finals tho

that would be hella cool

[green stump]

You better! If you do, let me know so I can root for you!

[balmy wolf]

thats a pipe dream tho, i doubt itd happen

[rustic plaza]

pharm is not as bad here i think

[balmy wolf]

[rustic plaza]

getting to apply after 2nd year is cool

[balmy wolf]

i actually do need to sleep now, so cheers yall

[green stump]

cheers my friend

[sullen berry]

anyone watching contenders kr

[green stump]

@sullen berry I am

[ruby pendant]

gonna check it out

[balmy wolf]

it's brutal

just RunAway demolishing

[green stump]

yeah, that was over real fast