when in mean while, there are actual racists in ow
#esports-discussion
karmic grotto
pearl stratus
xQc's twitch chat is the worst thing on the planet.
karmic grotto
and blizz doesnt ban them
pearl stratus
And they fucked up a very big opportunity for him because they like watching him fail/rage.
round obsidian
Yes but he is being held accountable for what his chat did
That’s what’s wrong
He isn’t responsible for what they do
But he’s being penalised
lament gust
really?!
pearl stratus
He was getting suspended with or without that either way.
round obsidian
Yeah
pearl stratus
He called the desk, and two other tanks retarded on stream.
Because his chat egged him on.
He was fucked every which way from sunday.
Because he can't shut his mouth and not be a moron.
round obsidian
He didn’t call fate retarded, he said fate could do retarded things because his team was retarded with him and they help him
Something his team didn’t do
round obsidian
He came to a realisation, he wasn’t egged on by chat. He was reflecting on his games
lament gust
It’s funny
pearl stratus
Actually the exact wording, since it was a meme before, is "You can be retarded. As long as you're retarded as a duo"
Which is a direct noun usage.
round obsidian
I don’t think it’s bad to say “you can get away with doing retarded things if you’re retarded together”
lament gust
And he got in trouble for that?
pearl stratus
That usage is different though.
He said my version.
Which is a direct noun usage.
It's not an empyrical you.
round obsidian
Yeah even with your version, it’s a reach to say it’s an offensive statement
He was talking about their gameplay decisions not them as people
lament gust
And he got released cus of it or something else?
round obsidian
He was referring to their plays and actions, not them as people
pearl stratus
If you were to copy it for say an article you'd do it properly by saying "you [Fate] can be retarded. As long as you're retarded together [Fate+Envy]."
round obsidian
Hey man, I’m not saying xQc is some angel and he’s completely blameless
pearl stratus
I'm just saying his punishments were all in line with his offenses/numbers.
round obsidian
The dude is an idiot but he’s never maliciously intentioned
pearl stratus
His first offense was the pre-season throwing, which he got fined for.
round obsidian
@lament gust he was released for just multiple things in a row
This was not the first or the last issue he was involved in
lament gust
Kk
pearl stratus
His second offense was the Muma homophobic slip - which he got fined and suspended for.
His last one was a slightly higher fine, and the same suspension.
It was actually all pretty in line.
Dallas just kept upping the punishments.
Overall consistency in punishments wasn't bad for the first season.
Punishment 1 was always a $1000 fine.
lament gust
I wish he wouldn’t slip things anymore
round obsidian
@pearl stratus what I’m trying to say is there was a clear bias and inconsistencies from blizzard’s side in this whole debacle
pearl stratus
Eh, he had the chance to not be a moron and fix it. Instead he kept streaming.
it was clear he didn't care about it.
round obsidian
Especially if you compare it with stuff that people like silk thread and tairong did
lament gust
He probably didn’t think about it?
pearl stratus
He doesn't know how to think if he's in his own channel.
You need to host him somewhere else where he can't see twitch chat.
Then he's not an idiot.
lament gust
I get annoyed when streamers look at chat while playing comp
pearl stratus
I mean he's more an issue of his chat lives to make him suffer for the vocal majority.
The vocal majority of his fans enjoy when he fails, because he rages.
lament gust
Ik I do
pearl stratus
Eh I think its kind of sad.
It's kind of like watching a monkey in a zoo with a shock button.
lament gust
LOL
pearl stratus
But he's making a ton of money off of them, so he wins out in the end
lament gust
Unless he really enjoyed owl
pearl stratus
I don't think it was mentally the place for him, no big streamer has currently lasted in it.
lament gust
Nvm lol
balmy wolf
warped axle
Great drawings
vagrant niche
guys contenders is starting
karmic grotto
I feel disappointed
At least the last match shouldn't be goats
C'mon
Make the match fair and square
Where's the freaking mechanical skill?
Wasting the potential of dps in Brig
torpid charm
sullen berry
Hue
Dallas fuel statistically ready to pop off in season 1
It's worth reminding myself how those turned out if anyone on stream tomorrow tries to throw the same tricks or fake clairvoyance
warped axle
I'm going to be cautious with Vancouver
And I'm not going to sleep on DC or GZ
Also Idk if I can post a bad pachimari video about DC in here
gaunt acorn
you can
queen drift
i think that skin is broken
its london colours
with houston icon on her shoulder
lol
queen drift
so weird lul
vagrant niche
i'll watch too
rapid bobcat
It'll be 1 am tho but I'm there
unique raft
midnight but im there
sullen berry
Use up my entire lunch break but I'm there
pearl stratus
He's such a shit show XD He means he's traveling from Toronto to Boston.
What would be pog though would be if the hint of "but lmao" meant he was picking up Alemao from Brazil.
balmy wolf
where can i watch some replays of recent matches?
pearl stratus
Right now the best thing on Twitch is RHJ.
Or was.
He just got finished up doing custom game scrims with old LH people and stuff.
Esca, Miro, LTJ, Evermore were there
It was fun
It was close to the Apex 2 Finals, pretty funny.
ruby pendant
@pearl stratus same thing as this? https://www.twitch.tv/gusdnwndrmq
pearl stratus
Yeah.
Everyone was streaming from their PoV.
All combined it had like 20k viewers.
balmy wolf
warped axle
Boston is a shitty org but I gotta admit it's cool seeing such diverse, underlooked players get signed
If Boston still had Snow they would have a player from every continent
limber pine
uh
pearl stratus
Boston just needs DPS.
They have two on roster, and neither are insanely impressive.
ember parrot
Is it like "Remember the Alamo" or is it Ale-Mao
warped axle
al eh mow
limber pine
^
pearl stratus
I love watching ZP+Avast.
Because they just shit talk Goats so much, and the teams that only run it.
"In terms of the brain chart meme, we're at a solid tier 1 of innovation and skill as we get mirror goats again."
balmy wolf
pearl stratus
Also if anyone wants a fun little weird match - Mayhem Academy vs. First Gen last night played double main tank.
Rein, Winston, Zarya.
vagrant niche
@pearl stratus i saw it
that's the new goats
where they run Lucio zen brigitte
but it doesnt' work cause you need D.Va
jagged crater
fahzix in an OWL team confirmed poggers
balmy wolf
Fahzix pog
vagrant niche
who is Fahzix?
vagrant niche
dont' remember him much honestly
the new atlanta rooster is frekaing poggers tho
Hawk and Dogman
he's Pogman now
pearl stratus
Honestly their Academy team looks better than their League team.
Minus the fact their academy is all like..
limber pine
pearl stratus
Looking at all the Washington announcements the best part of their team seems to be their artist.
Dudes popping off.
vagrant niche
isn't Gator the main roster as well?
limber pine
Gator is two-way
vagrant niche
there's a lot of two ways
do they like get payed less or something?
so they have to make it up by playing both?
Snillo was on it as well
limber pine
They're essentially a Contenders player on an OWL salary
They can only play like 2 games per stage in OWL, and only if they didn't already play in contenders
that week
pearl stratus
Yeah, if they play more than 2 games they're locked to OWL.
So you can swap them over full time if you want to.
vagrant niche
2 games in the season?
pearl stratus
Yeah.
vagrant niche
or 2 games per week
pearl stratus
Season.
2 per week would make them just OWL players.
They're call up players, similar to what baseball has.
vagrant niche
so basically, they can only play 2 games on OWL
pearl stratus
Oh right, stage.
vagrant niche
as a backup
pearl stratus
So 8 games per season, if you need it.
pearl stratus
The disparity in play numbers is interesting.
You can have 4 two-way players, but only 2 can play in Contenders.
So you can, theoretically, get double benched if you're a two way player.
limber pine
yup
limber pine
you can also theoretically not play in stage one, and be demoted to a two way player for stage 2
if you believe that wording
pearl stratus
Yeah, which could be useful.
I like them pulling from MLB for that.
Because you can help reduce roster rot.
Like say Gamsu magically shits the bed.
You can swap him and Fusions for stage 2 if you want to.
But it at least keeps him playing.
limber pine
aye
jagged crater
zen player on justice what u mean, there's a zen player in all the teams
jagged crater
at least gido still on an OWL team
warm quartz
I dont care about the players as much-mainly the announcement looking cool
pearl stratus
Ye, thats why I joked their artist is their best pick up.
jagged crater
only player i like on there is fahzix
warm quartz
Lol
pearl stratus
I think Gido may have just been cheap, honestly.
jagged crater
heard some nutty things about corey, being one of the best DPS in NA
jagged crater
prob picked him up beyond just his zen
pearl stratus
But I don't know if I'd say best.
Consistent more than highs, is how I'd describe him.
Which as a coach I'd prefer.
jagged crater
remember apex gido, last minute tracer playing out of his mind
pearl stratus
Yeah, remember Apex Miro?
Not just a streamer? 😛
I left the past in the past because so far none of its really carried over to OWL.
So it kind of just doesn't matter.
jagged crater
less relevant for gido since it could show he has more flex potential
while miro didnt
pearl stratus
I mean all of LH flexed.
It's why RHJ was able to play Winston with minor hiccups.
They just kind of always did that stuff.
God I hope RHJ+that group does another stream tomorrow.
jagged crater
im just they picked up gido for more on his flex than his zen prob
pearl stratus
That was so good to watch this morning.
Just getting to rewatch Custom Games Apex.
jagged crater
dont be more like jjonak tho
pearl stratus
Honestly it was more fun than watching NA/EU contenders, lol
And had more viewers.
jagged crater
NA/EU contenders with a boring meta wont be as fun to watch
pearl stratus
Miro, Esca, RHJ, LHJ, Evermore, Mirage, Jjanu, Twilight and MedalofHonor.
From the people I recognized.
And they were just doing 6v6 scrims.
Oh, Dohyeon was there too.
Which is like WAAAAAY old LH.
jagged crater
LHJ?
balmy wolf
pearl stratus
Taejun new name, I think.
pearl stratus
Maybe it was LTJ.
jagged crater
rip dean tho, he might not be welcome
pearl stratus
Half the names were in Korean.
So I did my best lol
Oh, thats the first one I don't like.
That style of Genji doesn't fit, imo.
I felt bad at Haskal just observing.
I wanted him and WhoRU to get in the game
jagged crater
whoru should def be in that game too
pearl stratus
I just pretended it was the Apex where they benched WhoRu to prove a point about his attitude.
jagged crater
even tho he's not quite as old school as the others
pearl stratus
Everyones all surprised that Fusion released WhoRu - unless you folllowed Apex.
Then you know.
jagged crater
did they release him or did he leave
pearl stratus
Both, they were trying to get rid of him
Probably had another ego flare up.
And no tough love from RHJ to set him straight
jagged crater
also pine's first name is Dohyeon
just noticed
nyxl has only 1 flex and main tank player
This the only team that doesnt have a backup for 2 important roles?
pearl stratus
As of right now it doesn't look to be going anywhere, but I think that and D'va.
Since Nenne used to do a lot of D'va/Hog for LH.
jagged crater
SBB a lil more flexible
pearl stratus
A little, Brig and Tracer
jagged crater
has shown some insane hitscan
pearl stratus
But any mid/long range hitscan you can assume Pine will play just as well as SBB.
It was the Tracer that separated them
jagged crater
and if tracer comes back in any form, you know SBB will be gettin his number called
jagged crater
cept his widow which is not needed when you have the other 3 DPS capable of widow
pearl stratus
He played Widow too though, and was solid.
That Gibraltar trickery.
Just never a need, lol
I will never forget the Harsha tweet.
Twitter
From when he swapped last point Gibraltar and just destroyed a push with SBB back onto Tracer.
jagged crater
capable of popping off but dont expect consistency is what im sayin, he's had some really rough games as widow. Good thing is if he does poorly on widow, he can swap as his is the most flexible dps in the game
pearl stratus
Yeah, but I mean if that level of Widow is his low that's just got to be intimidating as hell for other teams.
jagged crater
i really want to see what flower is capable of with a full korean team again
and staff
pearl stratus
I doubt its going to be much, sadly. Injuries.
His new aiming style put him into a pretty solid ceiling too.
I'm more sad because a few teams have some crazy DPS line ups, and we won't even see them on DPS heroes at this rate.
New Shocks DPS line up is ridiculous.
jagged crater
yea shock DPS is like why did you add another DPS xD
pearl stratus
I'm still waiting for it.
jagged crater
lets see how well they'll flex
pearl stratus
Shock has dropped Babybay and picked up [Insert Korean Main Healer].
Then they'd have Korean Shock and Western Shock.
jagged crater
shock korean vs western internal scrims would be interestint
coach be like hey whoever wins this scrim gets to play tomorrow
pearl stratus
I think even doing it as 3 Korean/3 Western vs. 4 Korean 2 Western scrims would be a fast track for integration.
limber pine
So I'm pretty sure that wraps up all the rumored moves
I wonder what surprises we have in store
jagged crater
where that list at
limber pine
this is one I follow: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Za0l63sALaC-CE870rURO4GrRCAd694z8aYIzFoAaz8/edit#gid=0
Beasthalo is the only unknown
pearl stratus
Beasthalo 99% fell through.
Just going to see where he lands now.
My guesses for the future are:
Boston picks up some more DPS, hopefully.
Shock drops Babybay and picks up a Korean Main Healer
Chengdu attempts to find a main tank
vagrant niche
something people who keep bitching about Goats is
Zarya is key for dps
i'm sure there's an overlap of people who are tired of Goats
but think about it
Don't you want to see your idol Geguri pop off? 
Goats is not boring neither
Atlanta's match yesterday was freaking poggers
limber pine
who are available korean main supports
jagged crater
corey in da house
those categories are kinda funky
prob should just call them DPS
karmic grotto
I used to be a dove, now I'm a Hawk
jagged crater
nyxl listing sbb as hitscan, libero as proj, flex as flow3r and dps sub as pine which is true but you can still mix em up
sullen berry
Oh I know
copper solstice
jagged crater
can there still be announcements from other teams?
limber pine
probably, but the last major deadline to hit was Dec 1st (must have 8 members)
I think all the teams have hit that
vagrant niche
why are they doing watchpoint on the same time
that conteders start?
watchpoint is not live, it's already recorded, so why not stream it earlier so it doesn't compete with contender viewers
@limber pine they are saying ADO is on justice
time for revenge vs Shangai
limber pine
Yes I’m aware
vagrant niche
upper niche
TL;DR: History of Ado?
pearl stratus
Mid level in Contenders, did solid on Shanghai for what the team was, released because they brought in 90% of hte Kongdoo Panthera roster.
Ended up on one of the worst expansion team rosters announced.
Thats the tl;dr.
vagrant niche
nobody on twitch chat cares about Contenders
no wonder Bliz neglects it and it's path to poverty
stuck agate
Anyone else watching the league preview on YouTube?
vagrant niche
twitch not youtube
torpid charm
balmy wolf
stuck agate
MMMM S P A R K
worn falcon
ruby pendant
no pre-season?
vagrant niche
isn't Eyleen the prodigy dps chinese player?
upper niche
Are the matches shorter for Season 2?
1h30 timeslots when they almost never ran on time in season 1? They must be best of 3, surely.
ruby pendant
don't know, missed the show
upper niche
So I've just gone back and looked at my ICS data from season 1, and while I'm not looking hard, I can only see about 3 matches that actually ran within a 90 minute window.
So they surely must have changed something.
Stage 2 NYE vs PHI - 2h30. I mean come on. And that only went 3-1!
obtuse glacier
trim wadi
balmy wolf
upper niche
what day is that, Sunday?
balmy wolf
saturday
jagged crater
who the heck is fits
gaunt acorn
jagged crater
Typo? Jesce was from element mystic
gaunt acorn
not jesce
balmy wolf
gaunt acorn
watchpoint showed the third dps for seoul is fits
limber pine
I founds a FITS on a Season 3 KR Contenders team
oh nvmd liquipedia made a page for him
jagged crater
LOl
limber pine
he was on Goin Water S
limber pine
gaunt acorn
lol okay
someone needs to update the seoul dynasty page
seems like an unknown
wonder whether he'll be good
or if he's only meant as backup
jagged crater
what is he dps?
torpid charm
Philadelphia Fuision
gaunt acorn
fuision
sullen berry
No regrets missing that one
obtuse glacier
Can some DM me Florida’s roster
gaunt acorn
sullen berry
!players mayhem
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
gaunt acorn
that's not all of them
jagged crater
just tuned in, who are thse people
obtuse glacier
Also I have all the rosters if you would like to know
gaunt acorn
espn "journalists"
sullen berry
Yeah it's incomplete
jagged crater
who
sullen berry
they're regular owl reports on espn
gaunt acorn
they're no wolf
sullen berry
Don't hate on their work, it's helpful to make people aware I guess
jagged crater
reinforce was kicked for this
gaunt acorn
sullen berry
How long have you been watching the broadcast?
jagged crater
SHOTS
justice prove em wrong like boston did season 1
did not expect to see sage steele in an OWL stream
sullen berry
Nate Nanzer tell us something new ResidentSleeper
jagged crater
he's good at saying a lot of nothing
gaunt acorn
we love our fans
thank you so much everyone we love our fans we are global
we love the chinese market
pearl stratus
Closer lined up patches should shut up a lot of fuckwits.
gaunt acorn
very 
segment
jagged crater
#justice4reinforce
torpid charm
Twitter
gaunt acorn
@torpid charm remains to be seen whether he actually means everything i.e. their skins
or just their match branding
he's describing the screenshot to the guy
torpid charm
Very true. I’m hoping, I love the bright orange but it’s too much for casual wear sometimes. Fusion has several new sponsors now & apparently we’re supposed to be getting a really really cool new jersey
gaunt acorn
people are taking that tweet like it's gospel
he's literally just pointing out that they're using an 'alternate' style for their match icon
we've seen that done plenty of times over season 1
i.e. london
torpid charm
I’m crossing my fingers for the time being
gaunt acorn
the actual change people should be talking about is valiant getting their new green approved
that likely will change skins & jerseys
fusion haven't changed anything colour-wise
torpid charm
I love that new green
gaunt acorn
agreed
their old green was awful
especially in that valiant vs spitfire pic i just linked
it looks so washed out
torpid charm
I already hated the old green, but after you pointed out the switch & that vs. Spitfire pic, I’m realizing how gross it is
vagrant niche
what do yall think about Shangai matchups
that looks like rough
going against Guxue then Runaway?
pearl stratus
I mean KDP brought Runaway to game 8 for the finals in Contenders.
So.
It should be a good match altogether
vagrant niche
that green looks better
also
I want to optimistically say
they are sleeping on Mcdonalds
torpid charm
Shock colors 
pearl stratus
I'm saying coaching is more important than players
upper niche
Shock were already selling grey/orange merch last year, eg the jacket.
vagrant niche
I can't wait to get Atlanta skins
mang
those silver and white with red look so good
gaunt acorn
i fixed vancouver in 10 seconds
hire me
also that new shock variant is god-awful
vagrant niche
buoyant ledge
sullen berry
@gaunt acorn they've used the orange on grey in a lot of other places, but shock definitely look worse if for some reason the older teams need to adopt darker shades
gaunt acorn
i mean yeah i know grey has always been part of their colour scheme
but like.. that looks awful
what a blunder
sullen berry
Fusion and Fusion University matching brand colors really
upper niche
Do the 8 new teams have development/contenders teams?
sullen berry
Grey is just... Leftovers from the available colour palette
upper niche
I'd really like it if it were a requirement of participation in OWL that they also had a B/development team, but that doesn't seem to be the case, it seems to be optional.
limber pine
not yet @upper niche
torpid charm
Isn’t it just ATL so far?
sullen berry
The rest of the Chinese teams haven't released anything yet, but I'm sure they will integrate or start fielding their academy teams in secrecy
gaunt acorn
it's a different colour hex
torpid charm
I’m ready for that pink & baby blue
torpid charm
south pelican
thats a yikes from me
pearl stratus
Only working because its contenders imo.
Also because of Doomfist, who won't exist next week
vagrant niche
are we getting those changes btw?
it's been a whie
and they havent said anything
torpid charm
I honestly had faith in Skyfoxes
vagrant niche
iremix so bad
like
SO BAAAAD
he reminds me of the main tanks i get queued up with
south pelican
rip skyfoxes
torpid charm
they really had those 7 minutes to chill with, smashed through the first attack round, then got slammed on. my goodness
gaunt acorn
remix was always bad
people started hyping him up again during playoffs after fissure threw in the towel
but.. yeah
he's never been destined for greatness as far as i'm concerned
south pelican
remix is so bad
torpid charm
Oh my goodness
south pelican
im legit crying
copper solstice
I think he should just go back to remixing at this point
cinder iron
wait iiremix?
pearl stratus
I like that ZP and Avast just shit talk teams.
It's fair commentary, but its entertaining
vagrant niche
mang
gaunt acorn
@cinder iron he just goes by 'remix' now
vagrant niche
i dunno, he had some good moments
pearl stratus
iRemix biggest contribution to OWL was being with Bischu.
south pelican
fissures sub btw
vagrant niche
who? remix?
pearl stratus
Yeah, during Season 1 he was #1 on ladder.
cinder iron
that was season 1
pearl stratus
Because ladder isn't something anyone takes seriously.
vagrant niche
yeah that was season 1
pearl stratus
Since its shitters.
cinder iron
that doesnt show the skill he has now
copper solstice
He dies first or second in combat
vagrant niche
no, he literally feeds ultimate charge
pearl stratus
Skyfoxes can't run goats either way.
Since their Brig and Zarya are about as coordinated as Stevie Wonder.
If you have a bad Zarya and Brig for Goats, your tank could be anyone and you'll lose.
Like imagine a team - then put Sinatraa on Zarya and Zacharee on Brig.
And boom, Goats doesn't work.
south pelican
pearl stratus
Your Main tank is like...
The least important part of Goats
If your Zarya can't bubble properly, and your brig can't bash properly you're going to get rolled.
vagrant niche
the most important part is focus fire
i'm tired of dumb goat comps when i call out stuff everybody is spread out doing whatever the hell they want
goats is super easy
so easy to rush down and focus a target
like Ana or zen
and then win the fight
wooden root
hidden vault
Are the logo changes offical?
gaunt acorn
@hidden vault yes
you mean valiant, yes?
philly and shock aren't really logo changes as far as i can see
i mean they switched to a different 'alt variant' now
but yeah that's presumably what they'll use during the season
as far as their logos on the match scoreboard and in-game icons
hidden vault
I didn't realise shock has grey
gaunt acorn
it's one of their three primary colours
orange/yellow/grey
there's no main white parts on their skins, if you've noticed
only text and some minor details
exactly the same as new york
they use dark blue/light blue/red
with white as their minor detailing colour
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UwXuxSezNQs/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RuhcZhCv1hY/maxresdefault.jpg
in this sense, a lot of teams have 3 primary colours + white
sullen berry
I'm trying for one of each skin from the Pacific division
I have enough leftover when the new teams arrive
gaunt acorn
that's an expensive cover-up
just admit you want hot-pink reaper
there's no shame in it
sullen berry
Who wins in a match up between hangzhou and shanghai
gaunt acorn
hangzhou
sullen berry
It's the battle for china's insular city version of Seoul vs Dallas
Season 1 day 1 hype vibes all over again
Weakest match to watch would be Uprising vs excelsior
I just wouldn't cut Boston short given their tank core is more or less unchanged and looking for redemption
surreal lichen
Boston is just a less hot version of Florida
sullen berry
Boston is going to get wrekt by vancouver
Let's see how it all pans out when they face nyxl
The core of a team like Boston is about discipline
Once their first game starts, the roster will have accumulated at least 3 months training
It could all go down as a wash or gunba knows what he's doing under HuK's "leadership"
It more or less comes down to how oppressive the whole roster is after adding flow3r to their already rock solid dps lineup
gaunt acorn
boston sucks now
torpid charm
My friends & I did this team ranking thing where we had to pick who would win between two teams, then it would average out all 20. For all of us, Boston stayed between 14th to 18th, I don’t see them being complete shit this upcoming season but I really don’t have much faith
silent oracle
Wtf are blase and colourhex gonna do against runaway and nyxl
They have no lan experience
And they are about to go against arguably the best team in owl and the expansion team thats already more popular than boston
Boston has only gotten worse in the signing window while the other teams have been improved
gaunt acorn
@torpid charm i did that too
this was my first pass
but upon seeing the results i don't totally agree
i think paris and mayhem should be lower
chengdu should be higher
valiant should be higher
shock probably should be higher too
those are the 5 changes i'd make
i'll probably re-take it today
surreal lichen
Shanghai ftw :3
torpid charm
Houston was never that low for me, in fact each time I took it, they were always 11th
gaunt acorn
i don't see them faring well at all
their only saving grace might be danteh
or arhan if the meta suits him
torpid charm
February 14th please get here quicker
drowsy fulcrum
Dray u better put Guangzhou UP THERE
The Notorious KYB is going to carry the entire continent of Asia
gaunt acorn
@drowsy fulcrum 3rd from the bottom is up there?
drowsy fulcrum
fixed
gaunt acorn
i mean, on revision i'd probably place them below outlaws
to be honest
just due to the fact outlaws at least have a year of owl experience
drowsy fulcrum
I mean
gaunt acorn
and could still beat some high-tier teams like london
gaunt acorn
despite otherwise being mediocre
eileen and kyb are very good but i think guangzhou might still be the weakest expansion
but yeah paris should be lower for sure
to keep them company
drowsy fulcrum
washington
drowsy fulcrum
and some of the season 1 teams are still horrendous
gaunt acorn
they're so shit they go in their own tier in my mind
drowsy fulcrum
they're definitely better than shock
gaunt acorn
i actually placed them very conservatively compared to most people this week
drowsy fulcrum
🤷
gaunt acorn
most people have them top 8
drowsy fulcrum
they're still going to run sinatraa because they know people only support them because of him
and that's going to be their downfall
drowsy fulcrum
i'd put money on the idea that they swap map dependent, Rascal/Sinatraa and Striker/Sinatraa
people literally pay attention to the team because Sinatraa
gaunt acorn
no team is going to sabotage their chances of winning because of player popularity
not even kyky's fuel was that dumb
drowsy fulcrum
apart from team USA in OWWC
gaunt acorn
shock clearly wants an all-korean roster
sinatraa's days are numbered
it's not like they're gonna integrate him to learn korean
drowsy fulcrum
didn't old Fuel consistently run Seagull even when Seagull didn't want to play
drowsy fulcrum
oh yeah
gaunt acorn
so seagull got put in
drowsy fulcrum
now I remember
gaunt acorn
then he did well so they kept him in
and he grinded dva
sinatraa is basically trade bait at this point
hollow jasper
and then the team needed a genji right?
drowsy fulcrum
either way I honestly reckon you're underestimating Charge and honestly Uprising in that
and Dallas being top 8 is Season 1 flashbacks xd
gaunt acorn
either they trade him by mid-season or he's benched and becomes more of a public figure
drowsy fulcrum
also did Florida do some mad signing that I missed?
gaunt acorn
i think OGE is one of the best main tanks in the league right now
drowsy fulcrum
because 12th seems high
gaunt acorn
i would still move florida down
drowsy fulcrum
that's a fucking big sad
gaunt acorn
as i said i'm not satisfied with that initial ranking
florida still doesn't look great despite their korean overhaul
drowsy fulcrum
honestly I'm just disappointed about FunnyAstro
best lucio in the world decided to go full streamer because he probably didn't want to fuck with HuK
torpid charm
I don’t see Florida doing better with their pick ups
drowsy fulcrum
and it's not like I'm saying that Alemao was a bad pickup
I just completely feel like it was a panic pickup
boston has like
what
3 good players?
gaunt acorn
boston looks bad
drowsy fulcrum
Note, Fusions, Gamsu
gaunt acorn
gamsu is inflexible
drowsy fulcrum
so many of their pickups feel like "yeah we couldn't get first choice"
gaunt acorn
his rein sucked, frankly
torpid charm
Their tank line won’t be their saving grace
drowsy fulcrum
Fusions is their only truly flexible tank
I don't know that much about chinese/korean contender's but I feel like all the expansion teams from there may end up being pretty good
I really hope fusions gets traded/sold to Paris at some point
or any remotely good looking team
the man deserves it
torpid charm
I agree
gaunt acorn
self-emotes wew
analog lark
Y'know, i think mickie should stay on dallas, almost purely for his attitude, that guy can lift almost anyone's spirits
analog lark
Mickie will be a morale boost for dallas fuel
pearl stratus
@drowsy fulcrum Chengdu will most likely end up doing very badly to start, unless there's a meta shift.
With the BeastHalo pick up falling through the three tanks they have roster listed are all primarily off-tanks.
Which will make for a shaky start.
gaunt acorn
i still think they have a pretty good roster
not as good as hangzhou or shanghai, but
pearl stratus
They do - but without a meta shift the lack of a main tank presence will be very noticeable.
gaunt acorn
i think they're a bit underrated
pearl stratus
Unless they can pull off some Ambitious Immortals shit and get away with it.
ruby pendant
Would you all bet on your rankings? Are you all that confident?
pearl stratus
When you have a bad main tank you suffer, historically, in OWL. Granted its only one season of precedence but you had Dallas with its shitshow, Shock with Nomy, etc.
iRemix for LAG.
Not even worth mentioning Shanghais shitshow, lol
I think its a recoverable position because the three off-tanks they have are all -insanely- good though
torpid charm
I definitely wouldn’t bet my rankings
pearl stratus
Koreans hype up Ameng (Vanessa) like crazy.
Who is my guess at going to be taking over MT. Ameng + Lateyoung could do well.
I think Elsa/Ninja is also pretty well talked about in Korea too.
Tangent but - MFW people are all on a Stormquake hype train because they 4dps'd Goats using a comp from Contenders China thats three weeks old.
gaunt acorn
don't u talk bad about my stormquake
pearl stratus
I'm more talking about the praise from copying a T1W comp after GCB stomped em 😛
ruby pendant
Looked at some of the stats of the Justice players, and they're not that bad. Think some people are underestimating Stratus, Janus Ado, and Fahzix. If they have enough time to have proper synergy, I think they'll do fine. Last place, no way!
limber pine
It's going to be an expansion team
I'd think
the talent will just not be there
I vote Charge
karmic grotto
You never know what happens 😅
limber pine
exactly
karmic grotto
Perhaps NYXL will choke again
limber pine
so who's their starting 6 in GOATS?
pearl stratus
My guess: Mano, Meko, Nenne, Libero, Anamo, Jjonak.
Nenne was OT for LH, and a solid DPS when Yarg left.
So he fits, arguably, better than Flower if they run GOATS.
limber pine
so libero plays brig, and nenne plays zarya?
pearl stratus
That'd be my guess, honestly.
It's also a comp that can break down into a lot of the goats counters without much issue.
warm nexus
green stump
@warm nexus what about moats? Snow goats? Super mccree? :D
obtuse glacier
@limber pine do you have the roster screen shots for NYXL and Mayhem?
obtuse glacier
TY fine sir
limber pine
👍
obtuse glacier
Just change your name
pearl stratus
No. I had it first, and I'm not a loser.
They're on mayhem, so they're automatically a worse person.
limber pine
makes sense
ruby pendant
lol, logix at academy team. No team wants him in the Overwatch league as dps?
ruby pendant
That's a shame, but new players will have a chance to shine!
Yea, Logix on XL2. Apparently he was offered a position at Justice. However, Logix declined. Logix wanted more money.
pearl stratus
@limber pine Also consistency issues.
While Logix did decent during Season 1 he sat out for a while due to depression and slumped around that point.
That's a risky thing to spend money on.
I personally wouldn't.
Psychologically he's shown he may not have it for OWL
limber pine
Well sure
karmic grotto
C'mon, why off-season take this long
:/
I'm so exited for the new teams and new players of the current teams
warped axle
Christmas will go by fast
azure karma
a furry just beat jjonak for best esports athlete at the game of the year awards 
warped axle
balmy wolf
Overwatch won best Esports at Game Awards 2018, deserved or undeserved?
pearl stratus
Oh interesting - FunnyAstro situation got explained a little bit.
He was a booster, so Boston dropped the trade because he was going to be suspended etc.
Also I think deserved - but not because it itself is amazing but for what its showing is possible to do for e-sports.
It's arguably done more for the global visibility of e-sports than any other game in the world.
So in terms of importance its pretty huge.
frozen perch
OWL lost best esports event to LoL
Good.
torpid charm
Overwatch me!
queen drift
FunnyAstro was dropped?
gaunt acorn
yes
queen drift
o:
karmic grotto
Can someone explain, what the f*ck the problem is with these boosters? Why waste a career of pro overwatch by doing these things? Unnecessary
Disappointed.
Would have liked to see him playing in OWL
This dude just being number 1 in EU for days
red anvil
They boost because it's pretty much something a HUGE amount of players have done
there are is a huge dark number on boosters in OWL
FunnyAstro should just have disclosed the information that he had boosted long before OWL, then he wouldn't been in this mess
hidden vault
I'm pretty sure most koreans hadn't
hidden vault
I meant hadn't boosted
Regardless if the rest boosted or not it's admirable that they admited
The easier way out is to keep quiet
karmic grotto
^^^^
queen drift
Koreans have the largest boosting scene in games
warped axle
SADO ran an entire boosting business
queen drift
OGE was suspended for it as well
Koreans like Fissure like to act like it’s a big no no in Korean culture, honour and shit
gaunt acorn
fissure boosted glads tho
queen drift
But realistically they have the biggest boosting scene
gaunt acorn
queen drift
Most aimbots are developed for / in Korea or China
warped axle
Fissure boosted the London Spitfire during Playoffs
queen drift
Also sh dray 😡
pearl stratus
Widely done doesn't mean widely acceptable.
Korea is also the only country crazy enough to try and legally make boosting punishable by $20,000 and up to two years in prison.
Which is still in their legislature, iirc.
karmic grotto
Jesus, is it hard to climb?
Players paying for boosting when you can boost yourself
🤔
pearl stratus
@queen drift Actually speaking of that
The bill just passed today.
Boosting in Korea is officially, as of today, illegal and punishable with up to two years in prison
It's in Korean, you'll need to auto translate in chrome.
Note that no one will actually go to jail, like most 2 yr sentences in Korea it will most likely be the fine (~$18,000 US) and probation for 2 years.
karmic grotto
Good.
queen drift
That won’t change very much imo, it depends how hard they crack down on boosting companies
It’s like how torrenting movies or games n shit is illegal and punishable but doesn’t really happen a lot
pearl stratus
Depends, Blizzard is known to be really aggressive with it. So if they pair with it, you can get some petty bullshit.
I think people forget that Blizzard has been petty enough to extradite a kid from Romania for DDOS, and get him jailed lol
limber pine
how'd kephrii do today?
idle beacon
it shouldn't be a problem to trace ips ... lol i doubt the acc owner and the one boosting the acc have the same ip range, if they ain't livin right next to eachother 😛
analog lark
So when will the overwatch league page update with all the new teams
limber pine
hopefully soon
analog lark
I wonder what could be the worst team you could make with owl playets
Keeping to the player's roles
karmic grotto
SOON
ocean wigeon
Okay, I'm watching one team in each Contenders Region. Who is the best team to watch for Korea?
green stump
@ocean wigeon Runaways
surreal lichen
Watch Kephrii and all is 8 inch goodness
limber pine
on one hand, GEP runs Widow/Pharah really well. Water and Kephrii are pretty good.
jagged crater
rip boosters (in korea)
limber pine
on the other hand, PAC teams seem pretty stubborn to run goats and not try to counter them
limber pine
he's undefeated
pearl stratus
Eh I'd say his teams undefeated.
pearl stratus
He's being used like a situational Pine.
jagged crater
which is
pearl stratus
He's not doing horrible.
But you can tell his pool is complete garbage.
So you kind of see his ceiling as well.
jagged crater
forgot what team he is on
pearl stratus
Though he may grind out more heroes, but as of right now its noticeable to me (at least).
pearl stratus
I wouldn't even say meh, it was.. bad bad.
jagged crater
that means his widow is good enough
pearl stratus
I'm perhaps being argumentative but I'd say its hard to tell. He hasn't really gone up against Widow competition. But I'd say its good enough for contenders.
limber pine
GEP's 2 wins are against the bottom of the division
next week against cyclone will be a good indicator of what Kephrii can do
jagged crater
i dont know any of thse teams so i wouldnt know where they stack
jagged crater
did they bring kephrii in the HK attitude games?
jagged crater
sugarfree actually 13 years wtfffs
or 8 years old
he would have to wait half his lifetime before being OWL eligible, that's crazy
pearl stratus
Most of Atlantas Contenders team is crazy young.
I think two others are 15/16ish
Dogman is the oldest at 20, iirc.
jagged crater
dawgman
limber pine
just watched a little of GEP/HKA
it just looks like GEP doesn't run GOATS as well as other teams
pearl stratus
They have a defined third tank issue.
Imo.
Even their goats against the low teams looked shaky.
Offensive Zarya more than a Goats Zarya.
limber pine
yeah they lack a decent Zarya player
pearl stratus
Too many Zarya pull a Sinatraa.
And play the Zarya wrong for goats.
But its okay, because Goats is easy.
limber pine
and Water on Brigitte is a tragedy
which is what I really don't like about goats
i want dps players to play dps
pearl stratus
I don't disagree, though I don't mind them on Zarya.
Because Goats Zarya is a dps.
Just a fat one.
jagged crater
thicc dps
pearl stratus
I want the battle rifle hero now.
jagged crater
a what
pearl stratus
Geoff why you do this.
jagged crater
burst fire?
pearl stratus
Geoff Goodman was on Reinforces stream and basically confirmed 3 heroes in the future. No timeline though.
But basically like "We're going to make this work eventually. Geoff Gaurantee."
But Burst Rifle was definitely there, because he said a few heroes already had them way back in alpha.
jagged crater
cool, we're on our way to a 6 man hitscan team
pearl stratus
Burst, Railgun, and HP% damage were the things he mentioned.
But the HP% one was not close.
Because its hard to make that not just directly fuck over fatties like Hog/Hammond/Winston.
And he didn't want it to be a rock paper scissor.
jagged crater
when they say railgun, like a super hitscan sniper?
that's usually how railguns in other games worked
pearl stratus
Kind of, he said its hard to nail down because Ashe/Widow are basically kind of already there. And Railguns were notorious for being one shots.
jagged crater
which is what people dont like
pearl stratus
But he was mentioning the potential for a laser based hitscan.