And that's quite the mix of DPS players
#esports-discussion
limber pine
one player who came from a meh CN Contenders team and two players who have been playing PUBG for the past little bit
queen drift
@gaunt acorn who’s to the right of Shanghai?
gaunt acorn
@queen drift vancouver
queen drift
Ahhh ok
limber pine
idk about the rest of the ranks @gaunt acorn but I suspect the D tier is correct.
Houston's has done nothing to anything and DC is just nothing
literally an N/A
gaunt acorn
i feel like C is mostly justified
surreal lichen
Lol I lost interest in DC
surreal lichen
I forgot they exist
gaunt acorn
team infighting
mayhem are basically full-korean now, but not a top-tier korean roster i'd say
saya will still be the carry imo
paris looks okay, not great
chengdu is a bit of a wildcard but i don't think they're as good as hangzhou or shanghai
atlanta looks overrated
limber pine
gaunt acorn
toronto doesn't look special
limber pine
Silkthread retiring
gaunt acorn
shock have made improvements but i don't think they'll be in the upper half
what? already?
surreal lichen
Shanghai finally gonna win a game :’3
gaunt acorn
surreal lichen
:3
gaunt acorn
wait what the hell
limber pine
Twitter
surreal lichen
limber pine
that would explain some of the DPS choices
gaunt acorn
bummer
warped axle
Silkthread is apparently really smart and he did well in high school so he should be fine
I wish him the best
queen drift
Damn that’s sad about silk thread, good for him though
Such a good and young positive player
queen drift
balmy wolf
Do the esports teams have org sponsors too? Like is a certain team fnatic or faze (just examples) ?
queen drift
Yeah
balmy wolf
Where is that information?
queen drift
I don’t know if there’s a list or whatever but it was pretty public when they bought in
Cloud9 is London
EnvyUs is Dallas fuel
Lunatic Hai is Seoul
Etc
balmy wolf
Faze?
queen drift
Don’t think Faze have one
Philadelphia’s Roster is mainly faze but I don’t know about org
gaunt acorn
@balmy wolf no faze
faze was in the running for purchasing a season 2 team but dropped out
balmy wolf
Word
balmy wolf
I'm a FaZe fan and was gonna pick up a second team to like if they sponsored anyone but since they dont i'll stick to just Dynasty
gaunt acorn
they were in the running for what's believed to be a bangkok team(?)
that was outbid by one of the chinese investor groups, chengdu i think
either way, the closest thing to faze in owl is philadelphia
as their roster has some ex-faze players
balmy wolf
Thats a hard no thanks. Not a fan of any philly team in any sport. Cant do it
gaunt acorn
hidden vault
Why does silkthread wanna quit?
hidden vault
Yup saw it
I thought it was only a tweet
Thanks dray
And have we confirmed Vancouver's icon?
gaunt acorn
@hidden vault no
that's the canucks logo, which i used as a placeholder
vancouver's icon is still believed to be a yeti/sasquatch sorta thing
we'll see it in ~17 hours, officially
hidden vault
And will Houston really suck that much? Lmao
hidden vault
I would sfs shock below though
gaunt acorn
i don't like shock (possibly my least favourite team) but they've made roster improvements
slow walrus
I believe in my boys
gaunt acorn
they could either be in C or D
slow walrus
hopefully Ididn' tbuy a discounted jersey for nothing
gaunt acorn
but i think C is more appropriate atm
especially if it's true they've acquired striker
queen drift
im gonna be so happy when sinatraa is benched
gaunt acorn
@queen drift there's speculation he's been traded to boston
nothing concrete
but that may have been a condition of the trade
striker for sinatraa
boston is quickly offloading their korean players
it would make some sense to acquire sinatraa
queen drift
the worst trade deal maybe ever
gaunt acorn
especially since shock are keen to do the opposite; they're bulking up on koreans
anyways, we'll see
hidden vault
there were rumors about the Koreans in Boston being mistreated
gaunt acorn
more than rumours
hidden vault
so it's a good deal for HuK at least
gaunt acorn
they outright said it
hidden vault
alright more then rumours
we may see Gamsu or Seowulf getting traded or leaving
I highly doubt the situation has improved especially since neko striker and crusty left
torpid charm
Tired of waiting for Vancouver 
queen drift
all you had to do was treat the koreans nice, CJ
hidden vault
CL you mean?
hidden vault
I just realised Shock and Boston has quite alot of trade deal huh
Crusty and Striker to shock
balmy wolf
I don't think the schedule for season 2 is out yet
forest raven
karmic grotto
hmmmm
torpid charm
Idk how I almost forgot the show match is today when I’m going to see it live
magic zinc
pearl stratus
I could actually see Houston not sucking right now with the way that Blizzard keeps buffing tank heavy comps by nerfing Doomfist and not healing.
And in such a situation I see them running Muma (Rein/Winston), Coolmatt, Danteh (Zarya), Jake (Brig), Bani (Lucio), Rawkus (Ana)
And doing relatively fine.
Also Silkthread quit OW, which probably helped end the Beasthalo deal for Chengdu.
sullen berry
@magic zinc this is a blessed screenshot
lucid skiff
NYXL POPUP IS A MUST THE ENTIRE TEAM IS INFRONT OF ME
fleet walrus
dull orchid
Hangzhou or Shanghai
vast eagle
anyone here play on xb1 and wanna gameshare overwatch? I got bo4, 2k19, r6, a lot more
queen drift
When’s Vancouver?
paper crag
hey how does OWL handle players changing names? there hasn't been a case of an IGN change since the beginning of OWL, right?
not counting the ones who had to change when it started
like coolmatt
but like suppose Effect wanted to change to HwangHyun or something
or RyuJeHong wanted to change to just RJH, whatever
queen drift
I imagine it would have to be OK’d with the league, then done in between stages
sullen berry
Nenne from XL2 Academy?
karmic grotto
🤔
sullen berry
SEOMINSOOO
warped axle
warped axle
Haksal, Twilight, Bumper, Stitch, Jjanu, SeoMinSoo, Hooreg, Rapel, Slime, Coach Yang1, Pachyon?, Harsha
Who is Pachyon?
gaunt acorn
i dont like it
sullen berry
monkaS
zenith badge
Woo finally have a home team
gaunt acorn
wtf is this really happening
the branding sucks
what a terrible booger green
the logo is worse than the fake leak
south pelican
branding is bad but the team is good
mint turtle
Should’ve been yeti’s
south pelican
shouldve kept the runaway colors
gaunt acorn
you can have a good roster but if your branding sucks you won't be popular
no they shouldn't have
analog lark
I like the colors
south pelican
@warped axle i think you mean paJion?
gaunt acorn
good god this is depressing
warped axle
Oh they poached a Fusion U coach
sleek beacon
Vancouver Titans
MT: Bumper
OT: SeeMinSoo, JJANU
DPS: Haksal, Stitch, Hooreg
MS: SLIME
FS: Twilight, Rapel
Coaches: YANGWON, paJion
Analyst: Harsha
limber pine
So all of RunAway and Rapel
warped axle
Please don't be Seoul 2.0
gaunt acorn
stop spending millions of dollars to half-ass the branding
you'd think the owners of boston or florida would give them some advice
karmic grotto
sleek beacon
nah florida just looking for that mcdonalds sponsorship
gaunt acorn
stupid goddamn aquilinis
analog lark
who is the DC rumoured players
dull orchid
DPS: Corey, Stratus, Ado Tanks: Janus (confirmed), SanSam Support: Fahzix, Hyeonu, Gido
From that Muma clip the only one who wasn't seen was Fahzix
analog lark
looks decent ngl
dull orchid
Honestly no one stands out to me minus Ado, Janus and Fahzix
ruby pendant
Titan's logo look like a bear. Wonder if they'll rebrand it?
gaunt acorn
they can't
analog rivet
warped axle
Imagine being one of the best DPS players in the world and being forced to play Brigitte because the meta is cancer
pearl stratus
Imaging people on ladder being so shit at the game that they cry until one of the more viable counters to the comp gets nerfed and the meta gets further entrenched.
Btw - DeleteBrig got surpassed.
south pelican
reminds me of Luigi
warped axle
Apparently in Jayne's Tournament of Future Champions, Kungarna lost to a team called Path to Poverty
They didn't even make it far enough to make it on Jayne's stream
Mykl lol
hidden vault
Why is it called flex support and not off support?
warped axle
You flex to other roles
warped axle
Traditionally it was more niche picks like Mei, Bastion, Roadhog, sometimes Tracer
sullen berry
Jjonak is less well known for his decent Roadhog, bastion and sombra picks
Flex support also includes being able to swap in for different healers if your Main support does not need to be switching too much
queen drift
LOL rip vancouver
warped axle
JJonak is a bad example because he's one of the least flexible flex supports
Doesn't matter though because he's still a god
gaunt acorn
apparently i'm in the minority
warped axle
I think it looks great personally
gaunt acorn
most people seem to like it
polar pasture
the only thing i can think of while looking at vancouver's team is that their colors are the same as a popsicle i used to get from the ice cream truck
queen drift
I just think of Pepe
hidden vault
I don't really like the green blue either
Don't think you are the only 1 dray
Also I would assume flex support means being able to flex into most support heroes
Say flex dps vs projectile/hitscan dps
Either do I like the idea calling an off tank --> flex
zenith badge
The blue green is the same as the Canucks' colours but I think the green is a little too bright. But oh well can't please everyone
torpid charm
Y’all, Uber is so nice
hidden vault
Runaway shoulf have been with Hangzhou
sudden cairn
any really high elo support mains here?
if so dm me asap plz
hidden vault
Go to #old-gameplay-advice
upper niche
wait, did I miss a Vancouver announcement?
analog lark
Yes
sullen berry
Same here
I had the twitch stream on tekken world tourney
wasn't even worth watching through the whole stream
The runaway crew were nervous onstage to hold back their charm
stone stratus
@torpid charm
gaunt acorn
canucks colours:
what we actually got:
green/blue isn't the problem
it's the shades of green/blue that are at fault
surreal lichen
Damn that shit ugly
gaunt acorn
limber pine
Why would they be able to change it?
Existing teams couldn’t change their colors from last season
vestal mortar
The saturation burns my eyes
analog lark
i rather like the colors , I'm clearly in the minority though
balmy wolf
Are you guys going to watch OWL this year if it’s all goats?
green stump
yeah?
considering there are like...7 different versions of goats and 3 counter goats
@balmy wolf XD that and some other changes, goats wont be as dominant as it was before
balmy wolf
I’m glad you’re optimistic towards this upcoming season.
green stump
?? not optimistic? its already being done
balmy wolf
Like what? Educate me.
Elaborate on these game saving changes.
Give me a reason not to watch hearthstone over OW. lol
green stump
Lets see, theres Moats, Zen Goats (which is now the new goats) Snow Goats, Anti Dive, Anti Goats (2 versions) , Pharah burst, Slambulance, New Dive, and I forget what the last one is..
OH SUPER MCCREE
balmy wolf
Meh.
green stump
There are more heroes being played this season than any other meta season out there sooooo
If you dont want to watch that..fine? But thats your choice to be displeased with something thats barely even considered as much
balmy wolf
Barely even considered as much? Most of what you just describe was just “goats, more goats, variants of goats, and goats to play around goats.”
green stump
which came from Dive and Deathball...
which was played through season 3-8
...much much longer than goats mind you
and those comps had half of the hero roster used from today, at most 8 heroes
Now its 16
so....whats your complaint?
balmy wolf
Maybe I’m alone, but I found it much more interesting to watch.
green stump
at the beginning yeah, but when you watch it for 3 stages in a row
and over a year
in ladder play
balmy wolf
Sure they are more characters in the mix, but the set up and fights are pretty much the same interaction game after game.
green stump
...and dive wasnt?
balmy wolf
Not exactly.
analog lark
I just want a more varied viewing experience
balmy wolf
Yeah I’ll take similar fights to near carbon copies.
green stump
or new dive?
those two play like a new version of dive, very very similar to the old dive
and they beat ana goats hard
analog lark
Like have goats be played on horizon, tracer genji dive on numbani, even bastion on junkertown
analog lark
I just want it to be not goats with 1 hero switched for another
balmy wolf
^
green stump
...thats already being done
balmy wolf
Not on stage
green stump
Snow goats is being used in Pacific and china right now in contenders
Which replaces Dva with mei
green stump
Then theres new dive as well
Which has Dva, Winston, Hammond, Sombra, Zen, Lucio
Then super mccree which replaces Zen with Mccree
Compared to Dive which did the exact same thing you are complaining about...
the only difference was you had tracer and genji
analog lark
I didn't like that either
green stump
yeah but that was dominant for 3 time the length goats was
so if the complaint is seeing the same thing over and over again, but dive gets a pass, doesnt seem very honest
you want DPS to come back into the mix, thats all
analog lark
I didn't say dive got a pass
green stump
watching the pacific and china do snow goats looks like the most annoying fucking thing Ive ever seen
but the issue is that people want to see DPS back into the game, thats pretty much it, but also want SPECIFIC dps back, like tracer and genji
they dont care for sombra or doom
balmy wolf
I don’t care about specific dps.
green stump
or pharah
balmy wolf
I legit just don’t want to watch two death balls run into each other over and over again.
analog lark
Make torbjorn meta, in all serious, i want to see a bit of everything
balmy wolf
Yeah, but with more use of the map.
green stump
@analog lark he was used for a little bit, but it was extremely map dependant, and the maps that he gets the most used, arent picked lol
balmy wolf
Screw it. I’m just going to watch football now.
green stump
...yeah your argument doesnt hold much weight...so...bye?
analog lark
I do want to see tracer genji, but also other dps comps, as well as some goats on certain maps
green stump
You have dive meta, 8 heroes...11 months...nothing else....compared to current meta...16 heroes...5 months?
@analog lark Then you have super mccree (used in EU and NA), Pharah burst (korea) New Dive (korea/China), Anti Goats (Soon to be phased out), and Slambulance (soon to come back...)
as long as we dont go back to treehouse with Orisa Junk again...
or Double sniper
balmy wolf
Dive contain poke phases, dive set ups, and other smaller factors that were much more visually appealing than watch two brick walls run into each other. Goats just isn’t fun to watch. That’s my simple argument. Your argument (from what I am understanding) is Goats is fine because more variants of goats is coming. But in the end, it still visually looks like two walls just running into each other.
green stump
@balmy wolf those are the same things done in goats sir...sorry
try again
again, moats is everything you are asking for and more
In fact, couple days ago, New Runaways Played Pharah Burst, Moats, Zen Goats, and Anti Goats
and they are considered some of the best korean contenders players out there
while their opponent played New Dive as well as Goats
and tried super mccree
thats 7 different comps in the span of 4 games
so.....what exactly is your issue?
balmy wolf
My issue isn’t so much the comp as play style and looking at the comps, it does provide the option for diversity now, but what’s the reality that all these comps will be played that way.
green stump
....very very strong as it already happened..
balmy wolf
By select groups.
green stump
already happened...
green stump
Yes?
balmy wolf
You’ve listen two teams that have happened to make goats more interesting out of how many leagues?
green stump
Jayne who assists in coaching the fuel, already talks about how the Fuel is working on Moats and Super Mccree
balmy wolf
Listed*
green stump
The Philidelphia head Coach, Also working on Slambulance and Moats, as well as Anti Goats
Boston seen doing Pharah burst
And the new teams, many of those players, are known for similar make ups..
so...none of your argument holds weight
your finding anything you can to hate on something that is so old now
_> the only people I see hate this much on something, are the ones who got removed from the meta when the change happened
Plus, none of us even know what will happen after the doom/brig changes
Surefour and other OWL players are anticipating Slambulance to come back
in hard form
which others are putting their tokens into New dive and Super Mccree
balmy wolf
I love how passionate you are about this goats meta, but I’m not anywhere near removed from the meta with my character picks. I just find it boring. That’s all. We’ll have to wait and see how things develop.
green stump
but you said your not gonna watch it remember?
and its not passion, its facts...
these are all talked about in contenders and OWL circuits, as well as with the coaches during their streams...>_>;; this is nothing new
look, Im sorry you dont like goats, there are many like you
but your holding on your resentment like people held onto theirs with Mercy meta..
balmy wolf
The passion was not in the facts, but how you present them. I wouldn’t know that because I often tune out of contenders before any of@this happens.
green stump
well...thats not the games fault you dont follow up with a lot of it :/ but these are things happening, been happening for a while
_> hell, I know a lot of people who are excited to see what happens to goats now that its going to be extremely rein vs rein dependant
back like the old days
analog lark
I don't mind seeing goats, like i didn't mind seeing mercy meta
I just wanna see a lot more playstyle variety.
balmy wolf
I dropped out of the following because of goats (and since I asked for you to educate me) now I know these things, and despite my feelings, I will keep an eye out.
green stump
watch contenders, its like everyones trying to figure out their own unique style these days..
runaways being the most diverse team out there at moment with 6 different comps that are just...devistating
then pacifics Snow Goats was just....evil...
Super mccree in NA is super exciting to see
or Double stun
Here watch this one
balmy wolf
Weirdly enough. Jayne is discussing this right now in Contenders chat.
So I’m gonna lurk and see what the rest of the world has to say.
green stump
Runaways Moats vs WGS Hammond Goats in the first game, Then 2nd game is Super Mccree/Goats, vs Pharah Burst, a version of New Dive
vagrant niche
Those justice colors look lame as hell, it looks like a bad XL
could had done something more original with the murican flag
green stump
?
vagrant niche
should have put stars or stripes or something
that just looks like an ugly XL palette
nova wadi
why did they switch from sombra
nova wadi
vestal mortar
😴
hard zephyr
paper crag
I wonder if Monte getting married to London's manager affects his eligibility to cast London's games at all lol
sullen berry
You can bet he has to comply with any Conflicts of Interest set out in his employment contract with OW League
But Blizzard already has their own possible Conflict of Interest with NetEase and Bilibili
vagrant niche
is the real one?
hidden osprey
He's top 500 on all seasons
upper niche
Seems odd that they chose to show a character that's gonna get 0 minutes of play time in OWL again.
queen drift
@upper niche you mean Soldier?
upper niche
@sullen berry I don't really know we can complain much about OWL COIs, given that in this case you have a game that is developed by the owners of the league. I think COIs kinda go out the window in some way with that being the case.
undone tusk
Anyone explain the homecoming event that's currently on twitch ? It's the NYXL homecoming, do all teams have a homecoming and what does it equate to?
vagrant niche
thanks
Why isn't Libero using dynamite????
wtf
i spam that as much as i can
with her
sullen berry
@upper niche I think it would be ironic at worst but a gain by all if they can do it despite such a clause
vagrant niche
why is anamo on VA?
and who is Ronaldo? is that Jjonak's brother? 
ohh
it's Nanohana
sullen berry
@vagrant niche dynamite for clearing kills, not flexing your cooldowns
sullen berry
Libero has a 200iq dps start most of the time
I think he is being very choosy
Sandbagging ashe plays, perhaps
vagrant niche
and he died quite often without doing anything
look, i like how Effect uses her kit more than Libero
from what i saw
better to use it, rather than die without even using it
see
look at that POTG from space
even tho he got sniped
he created space and damage
Libero was just hoarding that dynamite and dying without even using it the moment i started watching the stream
shy wind
So basically
Spark is probably going to make tons of bank and fans
based off color alone
right.
vagrant niche
probably yes
but that's more like bliz
they are the ones that sell the costumes
skins
not sure if the teams even get a cut out of it
they just get merch sales etc
from what i know
shy wind
I thought they get a cut from owl skin sales?
or atleast I remember seeing something like that in season 1
shy wind
yeah it's def less
prob still a decent bit.
I'd imagine maybe like 70/30
65/35 at best.
queen drift
they likely get less from skins, more from merch
gaunt acorn
i realized vancouver skins are basically dallas skins
but with light green instead of light blue
the dark blue is in the same place, in a similar shade
sullen berry
You can thank blizzard for being efficient with their skin profiles
gaunt acorn
yes but my point was i thought vancouver's primary colour would be green
but evidently it's blue
akin to dallas
balmy wolf
Dray really doesn’t like his colors or logo
karmic grotto
Some things go too far
limber pine
Why the fuck is Washington announcing their team at 6 AM local time?
gaunt acorn
@limber pine 
rise and shine gamers
no roster reveal either
talk about underwhelming
limber pine
Literally nothing about them is exciting
balmy wolf
gaunt acorn
torpid charm
gaunt acorn
"Activision Blizzard's Overwatch League and Fanatics, one of the largest sports merchandise retailers in the world, have announced a multi-year deal for merchandising for all 20 teams in the Overwatch League. Fanatics will take over all aspects of OWL merchandising, including retail, and will work to offer more merch options to fans."
magic zinc
queen drift
I guess thats why merch was so cheap
trim wadi
FINALLY DC FINALLY
green stump
The power of snow goats with that stagger
ruby pendant
green stump
Ohhhhh? The hype just grows
sullen berry
*the jehong curly hair jusy grows
I have no doubt that as a support he didn't have anything close to what jjonak his apprentice had
pearl stratus
I like the Gen.G. hires though, Bosh was interesting.
sullen berry
I need to see this after work, I start now rip
most of OW League journalism has been very hit and miss
like espn saying dafran was leaving Atlanta which never ended up happening
Dexerto 
pearl stratus
I mean for all intents and purposes I think he was.
He just realized it wasn't as easy as saying I quit.
And had monetary impact, etc.
Basically Dafrans butthole went from o to O if he quit.
limber pine
Twitter
green stump
@limber pine yay good for him
pearl stratus
Unless they drop/trade Sinatraa its going to be awkward bench time though
For one of the two.
Also Shock getting rid of its roundeyes for more koreans.
At this rate it'll just be Moth as the only non-benched western player on Shock.
Yep. Shock went to a Korean roster (Just announced Striker). So who do we think will replace Moth 🤔
slow walrus
This is really confusing from shock
they already have a plethora of dps players
or at least they did have
rn their dps is sinatraa, striker, architect, and babybay
they got rid of iddqd and danteh
torpid charm
6 DPS meta 
slow walrus
still I don't really see what striker brings to the table that they needed; Architect and babybay play widow, sinatraa plays a fantastic zarya and tracer/doomfist, Architect plays pharah and genji... what does striker have that they didn't already have available lol
Also shock still has 5 americans; Moth, Sleepy, Sinatraa, Babybay, and Super (6 if you count Nevix but he's European)
vagrant niche
holy shit
Striker to shock?
wtf
what is Sinatraa going to do now?
play Rein?
slow walrus
someone is gonna have to pick up sombra since Danteh is gone; Sinatraa plays a mean zarya in goats and a decent doomfist (although he isn't meta)
Shock had a really weird team comp that won them a map against valiant in the california cup where they replaced their main tank with a doomfsit
pearl stratus
Shock is going to release babybay and pick up a Korean Main healer.
I'm calling it now.
Then they'll have Shock A and Shock B.
Shock A will be Korean.
Shock B will be Western + Whatever Korean dps they like the least that week.
vagrant niche
you think Krusty wanted striker that bad?
pearl stratus
I think as you look at every move he's replaced everyone with a better Korean version.
Super? Fuck Super. Got Smurf.
Nevixx? Choi.
Sleepy? Viol2t.
Danteh, traded picked up Rascal.
Hitscan? Striker now.
vagrant niche
moth?
pearl stratus
That's why I said they'll be dropping babybay to pick up a main healer 😛
Moth is the only one not replaced so far.
Right now your starting line up would be Smurf, Choi, Architect+Rascal+Striker in rotation, Moth, Viol2t.
You might keep Sinatraa around, maybe.
But he doesn't really play anything -better- than Striker.
pearl stratus
Eh, two weeks is about average.
vagrant niche
no news, nothing
pearl stratus
His first two nerfs were two weeks before that.
vagrant niche
I want to play with the new brigitte
pearl stratus
Nothings overly changed.
vagrant niche
I'm aware
pearl stratus
You can't one shot Tracer, thats about it.
You still cockblock the shit out of her with armor.
vagrant niche
mang, i was thinking to myself today
I never found a situation i have been where i have been killed by Brigitte and felt it opresive
given i play Brigitte a lot myself
if anything, i always look at it as positioning error from my part
vivid locust
surreal lichen
Lol the DC hype died along time ago
jagged crater
I LIE
wth how many dps does shock have
shock can basically make a internal team scrim of 6 koreans vs 6 westerners
that would be an interesting dynamic
hidden vault
Houston has quite a number too
jagged crater
shock's the only team with confirmed 12 man roster so far
most have 9 or 10 players
torpid charm
Zach to Fuel, I’ll miss him on 
balmy wolf
jagged crater
guess we all saw that one comin
torpid charm
I’m so shocked 
karmic grotto
Oh. God
vagrant niche
vagrant niche
they have 3 hitscans, so i guess zack is on flexing
but i always thought of him as hitscan cause of his contenders
jagged crater
zach is most flexible out of them tho
effect prob the main dps starter with the other 3 rotating
then again depends on effect and taimou mental state
good mental state effect = always good
good mental state taimou = nutty hitscan
vagrant niche
should have left akm on that flexing
queen drift
Should have kept rascal
jagged crater
zach is least experienced, he had some clear cut nerves during world cup
tho that could be the whole team playin like shit so cant just blame him
vagrant niche
Seagull out, Zach in
so the main line up is basically
OGE, Mickie, Effect/Timo/AKM, Zach, Harry, Chipsajen
queen drift
Chips was dropped wasn’t he?
jagged crater
rck is prob gonna be the dva player over mickie
queen drift
Retired kapp
balmy wolf
zach is good
jagged crater
just noticed fuel has like 5 coaches, they really goin for full staff here
they needed it
balmy wolf
just because he had a bad performence in wc dosent mean he is bad
vagrant niche
Aero and Jayne going to make Fuel win
jagged crater
they got closer
balmy wolf
^
queen drift
Ahhh yep
jagged crater
rip envy core
vagrant niche
closer played where?
queen drift
- Harry + closer then
jagged crater
end of an era
queen drift
🔫 effect is envy core
jagged crater
effect is post envy
queen drift
EFFECT IS ENVY CORE
vagrant niche
we talking about when Harry was dps
jagged crater
it's ok all 4 dps players are gonna be playin brig anyway
queen drift
Effect gonna be on Deletebrig in owl
vagrant niche
they have Mickie ya know
queen drift
Taimou is washed up and Playing Mickie won’t be good
queen drift
Taimou big washed
jagged crater
if u watch timo stream, he was playin brig 50% of the time. He seemed hella tilted by the meta
looks like he really hated the game
jagged crater
brig hitscan xD
queen drift
It’s what we have to play
jagged crater
indeed
queen drift
jagged crater
i just dont like seeing talented dps players on brig duty, that's just me
vagrant niche
well, same could be said about other different metas
we don't like to see talented healers on mercy
etc etc
its' all subjective
metas will always changes, and people will always hate on what is bad
queen drift
The difference between for example Tracer and Brig compared to Ana and Mercy is a lot more drastic imo
vagrant niche
I have no problems with Goats,
i dont care honestly
never really cared about mercy neither
only character that tilted me was Hanzo and he's okish nowdays
jagged crater
im OK with goats, just not when it's gonna be a large portion of the meta
if what we're seeing in contenders is a glimpse of what's to come, then maybe we see some diversity beyond just goats
vagrant niche
yall not seeing Snowts
etc
I hear no complains about D.Va being played constantly
etc
jagged crater
goats vs goats mirror matchup is some of the most boring OW im watching, it's honestly a snoozefest to me
jagged crater
dive vs dive was more exciting than goats vs goats
vagrant niche
it's always a mirror usually
that's again, subjective
it's not a problem with the game itself
jagged crater
it's a potential problem if it's boring to watch
vagrant niche
Overwatch is not that exiting to watch like a fighting game, that's the nature of the game
and the 3rd person viewer we seeing is not helping much sometimes neither
jagged crater
you present the highest level of OW to a casual spectator with goats vs goats, it's going to be a hard sell
seeing how OW like you said is not an easy game to watch
the magic of goats is in its micro moments, the little things that give the other team the edge. It's extremely difficult to see that
unless you really know the game
vagrant niche
we getting offtopic, but like i said, wait for new meta. people will hate it
it's always like that
Goats was poggers until casuals started knowing what it is etc
then everybody got bored of the meta
it will be the same next meta
and the one after that
etc etc
and all maps have their metas
jagged crater
im actually liking how we start seeing some goats counters in contenders
that's always exciting seeing comps counter another
as long as it's not mirror
jagged crater
im fine with goats, just not when it's mirror
vagrant niche
Buff pharah etc
also, remember seagull and others point out
people aren't liking this rock paper scissors
they want counterplay etc
jagged crater
dont even think about buffering her yet
vagrant niche
Overwatch has many flaws on it's design
jagged crater
pharah is already being used as a goats counter in contenders
pharah and sombra
so we'll see, the meta is still developing, not quite the 90% goats we're thinking of
vagrant niche
Pharah only counter on high sky box maps
and even new pharah got to be ballsy af with lots of pocketing to do anything
you just don't see Pharah not pocketed on pro play
instead of #DeleteBrig they should be #MakePharahIndependent and you might see Goats not be such a bit issue
mint turtle
They kinda tried
vagrant niche
yeah, they tried making weird ass changes because console outcry
Jeff himself implied it
I'm not sure what ever happened to balancing pc differently to console, it's not like they will have crossplay between those two platforms
ruby pendant
lol, nerf brig? You'll return the rampaging tracer/genji taking out half the team again!
upper niche
@jagged crater I've never considered that before, but I agree - goats vs goats is gonna be shit to watch. There'll be no easy following what the team are trying to achieve, it'll just look like a chaotic mess.
jagged crater
considered what
fast basin
jagged crater
bobba
hidden vault
ISN'T ZACHAREEE JOINING HOUSTON??!? OMG
hidden vault
Ok yeah but I always thought it was gonna be zach to houston
lilac atlas
rare sonnet
What do you guys think the best EU team would be to take on this years team SK from World Cup?
I think it would be
Fusions/Poko/Eqo/Linkzr/Unkoe/Kruise
But maybe Kyb instead of Eqo
upper niche
Uh what? EU team? That's not how it works.
gaunt acorn
@paper crag dc
paper crag
hmm "unofficial" but seems like it's confirmed enough lol
was going to save the name change until official reveal but w/e
analog lark
What do these 5 players have in common
analog lark
They're all Lucio players
hidden vault
Wrong Nus is a Mercy player
queen drift
#lf-players-na @stark fox
balmy wolf
so whos been signed to dc so far? (besides ado)
gaunt acorn
Tanks
Joong-hwa "Janus" Song
Hyang-ki "SanSam" Kim
DPS
Corey "Corey" Nigra
Gi-hyeon "Ado" Chon
Ethan "Stratus" Yankel
Supports
Riley "Fahzix" Taylor
Hyeon-woo "Hyeonu" Cho
Gi-do "Gido" Mun
@balmy wolf
balmy wolf
thanks i knew janus but forgot @gaunt acorn
gaunt acorn
no problem
karmic grotto
why you people say 0-28?
river ember
Rip Janus.... I guess it’s the better for NYXL
pearl stratus
@karmic grotto There's only 28 games per team this season, down from 0-40.
So if a team were going to lose all of them, it'd be 0-28.;
analog lark
Will shanghai continue their losing streak
Will it go to 0-68
The work may never know
pearl stratus
I mean they're Kongdoo now. Also listen to Dogmans podcast.
gaunt acorn
no
analog lark
I know they won't
pearl stratus
Jake mentions that when Shanghai was 0-35 that was the team they hardcore prepped for.
gaunt acorn
shanghai are a fine team now
pearl stratus
So when Shanghai was at their lowest they were getting prepped for hard.
gaunt acorn
dc is poised to be one of the worst
pearl stratus
Because no one wanted to be the loss.
So Houston playing them in Stage 4 prepped for them over say... Shock.
Because they didnt' want to be the 1-34.
analog lark
Though i could see shanghai going 0-42
pearl stratus
Which is an interesting take - imagine teams prepping for Shanghai more than LAG.
Because losing to LAG wouldn't be as bad as losing to a 0-38 shanghai.
analog lark
Depending on who they get put up against
gaunt acorn
their first game is vs hangzhou
analog lark
That looks even
pearl stratus
I see Hangzhou, on raw talent alone, winning that match up pretty easily.
Hangzhou is actually quite a stacked roster, overall.
pearl stratus
Even for DC looks like...
gaunt acorn
i give the advantage to hangzhou probably
pearl stratus
I want to say Florida right now.
Florida did the full Korean replacement
But not ... great Koreans.
Misfits still went cheap.
pearl stratus
Misfits needed to replace two things on Florida.
Their Supports, and their Coaches.
Instead they replaced everyone, and kept the coaches.
pearl stratus
Mineral is a garbage tier coach.
analog lark
Remember when scandinavians were gods in overwatch
pearl stratus
R2der isn't bad, but eh.
I mean they still are. They're still a great region.
But a great region with a bad coach can still be bad.
OWL S1 really showed how important coaches were.
gaunt acorn
uh
pearl stratus
More than anything else.
gaunt acorn
still not indicative of major problems like the swedish players
pearl stratus
I wouldn't even say sweden is sucking, they're just horribly mismanaged.
gaunt acorn
was mainly talking owl (or ex-owl here)
pearl stratus
Manneten is technically ex-OWL, and Sharp is on an academy team. It kind of counts 😛
pearl stratus
Tviq suffers from too much syndrome and a coach who doesn't focus him - imo.
He's frantic and swaps so often with no actual refinement.
gaunt acorn
tviq is washed
pearl stratus
It's like watching Libero two orgs ago.
Trying to do a 1v11.
He's nowhere near as good as Libero, but just the general feeling.
Also until I see Snillo flex more than a peice of a cardboard I still can't take him seriously.
It's 2018, almost 2019, wheres your 7 solid hero pool.
karmic grotto
Somehow I can only imagine Libero as a Pharah player
pearl stratus
Either way I just want all of contenders to be like China and Korea right now.
Fuck Goats, throw out some weird as hell comps and lets see what happens
ruby pendant
Give Justice a chance. You never know how these OWL teams will perform. Justice could become one of the better teams being added to Season 2.
Fuel and Dynasty were hyped up, but didn't meet expectations in the slightest!
sullen berry
I'm going to have to swap color palettes soon™
Once Christmas is rolled over I can get ready to recolor myself a warmer charge cyan
The coaching staff were announced days ago
And watch point will be coming with the season 2 desk and espn folk tomorrow
copper solstice
this is my favorite skins
green stump
@pearl stratus interesting.. are every going to have this 60s comic book look on everything? Cause that's pretty clever if so
warped axle
karmic grotto
pearl stratus
It looks like it, they did it for Janus and Hyeong.
Though Rip Western expansion teams.
Runaway then a bunch of garbage.
Well I should say NA expansion teams. Paris looks midline and I guess they'd still be western.
Huh. Benchmob put out a shits and giggles team ranking based on current rosters, guesstimates. Honestly I don't overly disagree with any of it though.
Except ATL.
I'd swap GZ and Atlanta.
Also note they even mention its way too early to tell, so its more for fun and shits and giggles.
balmy wolf
Until we know what the meta will be for season 2 you can't make any predictions.
pearl stratus
Hence it being for fun and shits and giggles. Also as of right now absolutely no changes have done much to alleviate Goats as a viable comp, just to hurt its counters as people in ladder cry.
green stump
Despite the fact that like contenders have used so many different comps lately but nope, goats is the only thing being played
round obsidian
Washington was announced in the expansion leaks I believe
It just took them fucking forever to post anything
lament gust
It’s official now tho
round obsidian
So people naturally forgot they existed
lament gust
round obsidian
Vancouver never had the same problem because they were intentionally secretive while acquiring runaway
lament gust
How long do you think it’ll take for the new teams to get skins in game
round obsidian
They all already have skins done
lament gust
When can I buy one
pearl stratus
February 14th
pearl stratus
Maybe Pre-season, if they decide to be nice.
round obsidian
To build hype
lament gust
that’s a long time
round obsidian
Yup
The gap between World Cup and season 2 is brutal
I hope they don’t do this next year, I hope they have different scheduling that results in less of a huge gap
pearl stratus
I hope they intentionally shift contenders a bit more to this gap.
round obsidian
That’s a good idea
pearl stratus
Contenders has a bit of a view bump going on right now because people are starved for pro-play.
round obsidian
Well I think they should do a LOT more for contenders in general
pearl stratus
Not worth it without the views.
round obsidian
But view bumping would be a great start
lament gust
Contenders are the people that are below owl but trying to get into it right?
round obsidian
Yes
pearl stratus
They're your minor leagues.
You have academy teams, which are people who matter
Then independent orgs.
Who don't.
😛
lament gust
Oh
pearl stratus
Thats mostly a joke.
round obsidian
If you take OWL to be equivalent to NFL then Contenders = College Football
pearl stratus
Academy Organizations are just better equipped to handle their staff and money issues.
So they tend to be the higher quality teams (since they're taken care of)
pearl stratus
Like a Triple A Baseball team
lament gust
That makes since
pearl stratus
Versus a local team.
Your standard orgs can still have some VERY talented players too.
round obsidian
Yup
pearl stratus
But they tend to make the moves onto Academy Teams first now.
lament gust
And contenders are playing now right?
pearl stratus
Yeah, theres a few regions playing.
Are you planning to watch live, or VODs?
NA has ... 3 matches tonight, if I'm not mistaken.
round obsidian
Unlike OWL contenders is split into many different regions
lament gust
VODs probably
round obsidian
So more often than not you have a LOT of content to watch
pearl stratus
But for my money I think Chinese Contenders is the most fun to watch.
They do the most fun comps.
lament gust
You mean not goats?
round obsidian
I would put KR contenders above CN but Chinese is very good too
pearl stratus
KR has higher quality players.
China has more fun comps.
Watching last nights KR it was all goats, very boring.
round obsidian
I’m excited to see what talent China brings with Hangzhou, Guangzhou and Chengdu this season
round obsidian
I have hopes for Guangzhou
pearl stratus
Hangzhou is all Korean.
lament gust
pearl stratus
Guangzhou has two chinese players at least.
round obsidian
Yeah
pearl stratus
Chengdu lost Baconjack, which sucks.
Because they don't have a dedicated main tank.
So I don't have a lot of hope for them currently.
round obsidian
What happened to him?
pearl stratus
Philly bidding war.
Also Chengdu lost Silkthread.
Which means no translation in game.
Which means its probably for the best.
I think Chengdu is not going to do great this year, but I think they'll set themselves up nicely for next year.
Also I just fucked up our conversation.
Beasthalo not Baconjack.
Wrong B's.
pearl stratus
But stillt he main tank being lost.
pearl stratus
They basically have 3 off-tanks.
lament gust
Dumb question: any chance of xQc getting back into owl
round obsidian
Probably very low
pearl stratus
Not dumb, but not an easy answer.
round obsidian
He himself doesn’t want it
pearl stratus
He's not banned from it, so he could rejoin if he wanted to /team wanted it.
But he doesn't have the want for it.
round obsidian
But then again Felix isn’t he most consistent person
He’ll say he doesn’t want back in but if he gets that competitive fire back he’ll want it
pearl stratus
I personally think his chances of having teams really pick him up is low due to his volatile choices/personality.
lament gust
Oh okay
pearl stratus
But there is nothing stopping him
pearl stratus
But yeah. Chengdu need to figure out their tank situation or they're going to be painful to watch I think.
Though they could run the IA no-tank strat.
Which did well in Chinese Contenders.
warped axle
pearl stratus
Basically Zarya + DPS + Supports.
round obsidian
I’ve said this since day 1 of OWL, xQc is amongst the hardest working and most dedicated players in all of overwatch. Blizzard failed him and unfortunately it seems he has lost his love for OW and started variety streaming
pearl stratus
Except Doomfist is getting neutered, so the comp is dead.
Eh I would say Dallas failed him more.
round obsidian
Blizzard labelled him as a racist
pearl stratus
His chat did that to him.
lament gust
He’s been forced to variety stream