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[gaunt acorn]

11 million dollar house in los angeles or in vancouver

[fleet walrus]

Chengduuuuu

My inner furry is pleased

I like it

[gaunt acorn]

[queen drift]

LA @gaunt acorn why would they get one in Vancouver

Would be pretty meh for scrims

And Koreans like LA

[gaunt acorn]

because seoul and shanghai have both built team houses in their respective cities

and dropping 11 million on a temporary house seems excessive

[sullen berry]

It's the same rhetoric when hastr0 bought a team house back in dallas when they were starting out as EnVyUs

It's was a mean to have the team together like any team house

[queen drift]

Shanghai and Seoul go back cross continent though, it makes sense for them to stay there off season

[sullen berry]

But a team house is all the more relevant going forward

[gaunt acorn]

yeah eventually they're going to need it

[sullen berry]

Offseason or between stage 2/3

[gaunt acorn]

and it's still offseason

[queen drift]

Yeah but they don’t go cross continent

[gaunt acorn]

every team will need a team house in their city soon enough

[queen drift]

It’d be more likely to be LA or KR imo

[gaunt acorn]

guarantee it's not in korea

[queen drift]

It seems like a waste of money to get a team house they won’t be at much

[sullen berry]

Having one in LA would seem worse off in the long term

[queen drift]

Half the year in LA, half the year in Korea assuming it’s the runaway roster

[sullen berry]

Pretty sure Houston Outlaws members have their own places in LA, some choose to love in their own apartments near the arena

Keep in mind they'd be paying rent for one year and now two ✌️

[queen drift]

League provided accommodation

Or the teams did one of them

Those generic apartments you see at the start of pre season / season 1

[sinful bridge]

Is it just me or does the look of the new Atlanta teams logo look awesome?

[slender mountain]

It does xD

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[queen drift]

wtf are you doing

[karmic grotto]

11 million house for the team

hmm

why exactly 11 million and not a 1 million one

[gaunt acorn]

because it's 11 times better

[karmic grotto]

oh well, if the hockey club has all the money, then i have no problem

but 11 million for just a team house is exag..

[gaunt acorn]

either they plan to sell it (and maybe make a profit) when they leave LA by season 3 (or 4?)

or they bought it in vancouver

and are investing a lot now as a long-term thing

[warped axle]

Runaway deserves the best

[gaunt acorn]

they seemingly got it

[pearl stratus]

Also different Orgs different spending budget.

[karmic grotto]

But 11 million?

I wanna see that house on photo

Wanna know what's inside that thing

[pearl stratus]

11 million, like all monetary amounts, is relative.

[idle beacon]

hey

a friend of mine just told me that pro csgo players earn 20-25k cash per month? how much do owl players make per month?

i'm trying to tell him that owl > csgo tournaments

[pearl stratus]

Well Maple Story 2 players make 75k per month.

So Maple Story 2.

[tepid cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/9wf7gx/ama_with_korean_contenders_veterans_akaros_and/?st=JOEKV52J&sh=c4e96f85

[idle beacon]

maple story 2

what the fuck

[pearl stratus]

Winston your friend is using anecdotal, and bad information. He's comparing top tier players which there are maybe 4-5 of total.

And attributing it across the board.

At which point someone like Decay with a rumored 300,000/yr would be equal.

You just didn't fact check him properly before entering into an argument.

You'd want to argue averages, which no one has access to.

For instance its the equivalent argument (just because I know league minimum) of me saying Major League Baseball players have $35 million salaries. But thats just the salary for one pitcher - your average player makes the league minimum which is $570k.

[idle beacon]

@pearl stratus

https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/1921659/pros-salaries

[pearl stratus]

Yeah its a forum.

That's like me asking Reddit who the best player in OW is.

There's literally no actual information or evidence in a forum.

I'd wipe my ass with it and flush it as a source of information.

Hence my: Maple Story 2 players make 75k a month 😛

It's easy to say random things with no factual information or back up.

[limber pine]

I have a hard time believing CSGO pros make less than OW pros

just simply given the amount of time existing between the two

[green stump]

@limber pine it's based on how marketable csgo players are, which is sad to say, not a lot, based on the audience

[pearl stratus]

I don't think they make less.

It's more of where the average is.

[idle beacon]

well i was only asking how much owl players are makin per month

[pearl stratus]

No one knows.

We know the league minimum is 50k.

And that most players are above it.

But not by how much, etc.

[idle beacon]

i dont wanna discuss how much csgo pro's are doin. i know sk.se players made 2k gran per month 15 yrs ago, only with cs gaming

50k per month? 😮

huge

[pearl stratus]

Per year.

[idle beacon]

ah

20k per month is just nuts

[pearl stratus]

So the only factual statement you can make is that the absolute minimum is $4166/month.

Again though, you have no proof of that.

You linked a forum.

Is it true? Probably for an absolute top tier team. One of the ones that are always Top 3.

Is it every CSGO player?

You'd be an absolute moron to believe that.

[idle beacon]

i ain't gonna read the whole crap. i just posted you the link cuz u were sayin he is mis-informed 😄 just gave you what he gave me.

[pearl stratus]

Yeah.

Your friend is a retard.

If thats all his info.,

[idle beacon]

he also said though .. 20k a moth also with all the sponsoring crap and all that

[pearl stratus]

There's no actual financial documents that state what they make. They're not organized.

The only reason we can make a claim for OWL is because they released documentation explaining their minimum pay requirements.

CSGO isn't done the same way.

It's org per org.

[idle beacon]

well whatever they make .. they make more than we do, just with gaming 24/7

[pearl stratus]

I mean the absolute best of them probably do.

The low to mid levels?

Probably not.

[idle beacon]

well i am talking about players of teams like fnatic, sk, g2, c9. the big teams.

ofc low to mid levels ain't makin lotsa cash

if any

[pearl stratus]

But yeah until all the e-sports are league based etc, and we get financials we have no clue what the others make.

We also technically don't know what OWL makes.

Just the absolute minimum they can make.

[idle beacon]

how much do these LoL kids win per tournament?

[pearl stratus]

Most of NYXL is rumored to make 6 figures.

Which would make sense.

But rumors are rumors.

My guess is London probably all makes six figures a year too.

Then they won the $1 million from the finals (500k of which is meant to go to players)

[warm quartz]

Im more curious how much did shanghai make?

Them being so shit made them marketable to hell

[pearl stratus]

Original Shanghai was probably more towards the minimum.

Would be my guess.

It makes choosing not top tier players easier to sneak by at the start.

KDP Shanghai?

They're probably getting some solid money.

[warm quartz]

I would assume so also, but, they made a lot in merch because everyone kind of rooted for them

[pearl stratus]

William Ding seems to be putting a LOT of cash into this team now.

Between their new facility, multiple chefs, etc.

But the dudes also made of monery.

So its not like he cares.

As of... 11/12/18 his net worth has dropped to 13.4 billion 😛

And Netease is just a cash cow.

[idle beacon]

i bet geguri's value went up

are there gonna be more female ow pro's in season2 ?

[limber pine]

Probably not

for the most part, the full rosters have been leaked or rumored

no females among them

[warm quartz]

I doubt it honestly

Geguri may have been the first stepping stone, but bluntly she was on the worst team in the league

Doesn't exactly put them in a good light. Coming from a female I realize that may have made companies apprehensive towards recruit other females.

Sad to say that likely happened, but, it's the all too depressing truth

[pearl stratus]

She played well enough, but her playing well doesn't change the general mentality.

I don't think her play would make anyone apprehensive though, she was super marketable.

And, not to be crude, she's honestly not that attractive too. So if you can get a big draw of marketability from someone not standard pretty - if you can find one that is you know it'll crush.

[idle beacon]

she just ran around like a 'boy' .. how dare you saying she ain't attractive? 😄

and yea, joining SHD wasn't the best idea

[limber pine]

SHD likely the only team willing to give her a chance

[idle beacon]

you think?

[vagrant niche]

Geguri aint hot lol

Emily tho, 👀 that's another story

[limber pine]

I mean, you look at the teams at the bottom of the standings (SFS, Dallas, Florida, SHD). Florida went with Zappis (connections with the Finnish players), SFS went X6-Gaming with Choi and Architect.

I guess there was a chance with Dallas but they stayed in house

which fits their MO

I don't think anybody else was looking for an offtank

[idle beacon]

ki

ok*

[limber pine]

#mytwocents

[torpid charm]

Uber coming to Philadelphia

[sweet jewel]

anyone know when the expansion team's merch is going on sale?

i rly want a chengdu jersey

[sullen berry]

Not yet

It would make a good holiday gift, but I don't see it happening until late January at the latest

[limber pine]

Guangzhou colors are slick

[sullen berry]

I was wondering what's we have seen these cookies before in game, and someone incorrectly printed out that the lotus is their national flower when I already sent them this

[fleet walrus]

What tier would Chengdu Hunters be in OWL

[sullen berry]

2nd Chinese meme team

Where hangzhou and chengdu are kinda mixed

[shy wind]

This stream

lmao

https://www.twitch.tv/esportsindustryawards

[sullen berry]

Well the fact that monte had to fly over there

[limber pine]

fortnite lol

[sullen berry]

And golden boy is there

[limber pine]

fortnite breakthough esport of the year because there was money thrown at it

[shy wind]

I mean it was

a fan vote

event

also this crowd is tilting me.

[sullen berry]

What do you expect with CS:Go community

As if the go community had an incentive to make the sport look bigger

[shy wind]

BEST MEME

profit and carpe lost to this

[vagrant niche]

meme awards

[shy wind]

London spitfire came in 2nd

[vagrant niche]

http://puu.sh/C0KeE/cb81d580f1.jpg

[limber pine]

Monte just can't let an opportunity to make it about himself pass by

[shy wind]

But isn't it a point to drive some comedy when you come on stage?

[limber pine]

well sure, but the whole sandbag bit is about him

and not esports or even OW

[vagrant niche]

this award is just aweful

the crowd is just chatting and getting drunk

they aren't paying attention at all

[copper solstice]

they are just having a good time

[shy wind]

well he has been known for one thing

his entire esports career

in both notable games

so I mean 🤷

[sullen berry]

Spitfire has a chance

[shy wind]

Didn't win

Rigged

[vague condor]

who?

[sullen berry]

Fan submitted though, so more realistic is these players earlier in the year

Not profit

[copper solstice]

it was attach from faze who is call of duty

[shy wind]

???

??????

That.

[copper solstice]

the clip

[vagrant niche]

Profit pulse bomb should have won

[shy wind]

Wtf was that

[vagrant niche]

[vague condor]

lmaooo

[shy wind]

it didn't even look like he shot him

[copper solstice]

its call of duty

[shy wind]

monkey ass call of duty fans

[sullen berry]

I mean

If our community wanted to for anything

It was the casters and less the players

[copper solstice]

overwatch won

[vague condor]

POG

[copper solstice]

[shy wind]

WE WON

BOYS

[sullen berry]

Ayyy lmao

NAISU

[vagrant niche]

why is Monte picking OWL award?

LOL

[sullen berry]

Nate Nanzer why

[shy wind]

oof

OOF

prob the only owl guy there atm.

[sullen berry]

Why aren't you loving this trophy live

[vagrant niche]

dat DJ khaled

XD

[fleet walrus]

Who thinks Guangzhou charge logo is underwhelming

[sullen berry]

Dj Khaled was good for something huehue

[shy wind]

I haven't gotten the change to see it.

[sullen berry]

You should watch it

Good programme

Sitting there at a watch party seeing him perform was wtf

[copper solstice]

man is throwing cards

[sullen berry]

@fleet walrus what is underwhelming about it

[fleet walrus]

It’s just a GZ with the team colors

[shy wind]

UBer POG

[vagrant niche]

UBER???

that was Bren

[sullen berry]

you missed the lighting in the negative space?

[fleet walrus]

fuck I’m irrelevant now

[sullen berry]

UBren

[copper solstice]

goldenboy is everywhere

[shy wind]

SOE

[sullen berry]

Omg monte ripping his shirt at owwc

Didn't even try with uber really

He could have won and imagine the new levels of awks if they expected a British lad

[vagrant niche]

i don't get it

they said Uber

but showed Bren

[sullen berry]

Low effort

You could replace monte with a clip of bren

It wouldn't matter if they weren't runners up in the category

[shy wind]

Soe didn't win

feelsbadman

[sullen berry]

I think there's a second category for Soe and the casters, don't recall

Okay gamers, now this is Epic.

[vagrant niche]

lol

someone is getting fired

[vague condor]

Y I K E S

[vagrant niche]

😂

[copper solstice]

he fooled someone

[sullen berry]

He did a troll move on stage

[shy wind]

That was

so cringe

[sullen berry]

Nobody would have believed it though

Imagine a double jebait

[vagrant niche]

@sullen berry the Epic guy was going to stage tho

[copper solstice]

im surpised they didnt say ea then say blizzard

[shy wind]

Deji ruining youtuber image

[sullen berry]

It was Epic. An Epic Fail.

[shy wind]

pepehands.

[sullen berry]

"that's the last time we bring a YouTuber to announce an award"

Was his only feature that he punched another YouTuber

[vagrant niche]

since when the freaking hell fortnide is Esports?

do they have a league or something?

[sullen berry]

Since they threw money at it

[shy wind]

hmm

I don't think

ow will win

sadly

[sullen berry]

It's just epic sponsoring one of many tournaments iirc

[shy wind]

NVM

LUL

[vagrant niche]

Blizz threw more money

[sullen berry]

My expectations are low but I still have hope

[vagrant niche]

that's where all the Contenders money went to

[sullen berry]

EPIC NO WAIT I'M JOKING ITS BLIZZARD

[shy wind]

Blizzard trying to save themselves by pushing diablo aside and praising ow.

[vagrant niche]

xqc invaded the chat

[sullen berry]

Smh it was all overwatch poggers

The crutchable new IP

this is it for xQc

Viewers just doubled

Now we wait

🍿

[vague condor]

SOEEE

[hidden osprey]

Esports game of the year

can't believe how rigged this shit is

Part of me looks forward to The Game Awards next month

[sullen berry]

Puckett

Puckett..

[shy wind]

Lmao

I like vikk

[sullen berry]

Woo 3rd

[shy wind]

I mean

he had some strong competition

[sullen berry]

2nd was golden boy nice

[shy wind]

so third is good

and 2nd for our golden boy

[vagrant niche]

Ninja is going to win all awards

[shy wind]

ninja was going to get first regardless

let's be honest

[sullen berry]

Best streamer collab: ninja

Most narcissistic retaliation on twitter: ninja

[shy wind]

500 vote

monkaS

[sullen berry]

Should have voted /politicaltrigger

[shy wind]

Xqc

[hidden osprey]

Ninja 😴

[sullen berry]

Just move to overwatch Contenders ninja

They would love to see his pickup game

[hidden osprey]

Why not go further? Just ask for a tryout, 4Head

[sullen berry]

Ninja's OW Path to Poverty

[copper solstice]

goldenboy just won

[hidden osprey]

Hahaha Monte

[sullen berry]

In association with WutFace

[shy wind]

lmao

[copper solstice]

haha

[sullen berry]

"sellout so so we can be paid... Also thanks to T-Mobile" - GoldenBoy

[shy wind]

the OW way

[hidden osprey]

Damn, quite a few OW players in the running

[shy wind]

Jjonak

come on

[hidden osprey]

[shy wind]

Dansgame

feelsbadman

[hidden osprey]

Scuf gaming... pretty apt sponsor

[sullen berry]

Unrelated to stream, but I found a user fan poll on weibo and they just love Chinese teams for their logos smh

(chengdu hunters) 成都猎人队 45.4%
👉 (hangzhou “lighting bolt") 杭州(闪电)队15.4%
(shanghai dragons) 上海龙之队10.8%
(guangzhou charge) 广州冲锋队6.0%
(new york excelsior) 纽约九霄天擎队5.4%

[shy wind]

HERE WE GO

c9

[sullen berry]

Every other team in that poll was below 5%

Let's go

Org of the year

Don't c9 on your award this year

[shy wind]

YASS

[sullen berry]

[shy wind]

LONDON / C9 WOOT

[sullen berry]

Confirmed money does make the esports world go round

SUSIE

Jack wouldn't be able to say much at all onstage, to be honest

[hidden osprey]

https://twitter.com/coastward/status/1062109897163186178

coastward @ isaac's grave (@coastward)

jesus christ the esports awards actually hired this fool LMAOOO https://t.co/FJND9J3YQM

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welp

[sullen berry]

Getting clapped on twitter

In the worst way

[hidden osprey]

You don't jebait like that, it's pretty shitty

[sullen berry]

He's playing the 200iq game

Major controversy putting a YouTuber on stage

Announces the wrong team intentionally

A slew of tweets at the awards come in

???

Profit wins

[hidden osprey]

[verbal roost]

The logos are pretty good

Hunters:D

[sullen berry]

Hunters Orisa skin

[verbal roost]

I should’ve saved more owl tokens

[sullen berry]

I didn't expect 8 new teams

That's a lot of skins if they're planning to improve the base look of the previous ones

Valiant for example

Getting a darker shade of green next season

https://i.imgur.com/XoU3XKq.png

[upper niche]

They were always talking about 6 new teams, with a possibility of a couple more down the track - so when they announced 8, it was a bit odd.

[shy wind]

hmm

[hidden osprey]

I quite like Valiant's current green though 👀

[shy wind]

I like the darker green

tbh

[sullen berry]

20 teams, not odd

7 games per stage, strange

But playoffs will be bigger and more engaging

@hidden osprey what dray said when he posted that link: "Valiant seems to disagree with you"

Their junk rat skin already has that darker green color going already

[hidden osprey]

Seems like a very Dray thing to say

[sullen berry]

So it's going to be an awkward flex when all the other heroes drop 3-4 levels darker green

And you won't be expected to pay more for the change in primary color

[hidden osprey]

Only reason why I say I like it, is because their jerseys look pretty good in the current lighter green

[sullen berry]

Going to wait for Vancouver to see if it affects me enough to use my leftover Tokens on them instead

lucio valiant skin might look a lot more drastic than junkrat

A friendly reminder that these never appear in game during matches and is part of the spectator client

[frozen perch]

How many awards did Blizzard/OW/OWL win?

[shy wind]

Blizzard won 1 award, London got 2nd for esports team, Overwatch won best esports game, OWL Finals won best esports Event

Cloud9 won best ORG aka Londons ORG

@frozen perch

[frozen perch]

oh wow

i wouldn't blame anyone for accusing blizzard of tampering

[shy wind]

To be fair

OW players also lost a lot of awards.

or came 2nd /3rd

But people have to remember the votes where taken from the beginning of the year to now.

[sullen berry]

The best time to have voted was either last week when the ads were rolling or three months back

I recall putting in votes strictly for overwatch

[frozen perch]

The 24 awards are all open to community vote; with the community accounting for 25% of the overall vote. The Panel makes up the final 75% of the vote.

WHAT

how is that even fair

A group of 17 > everyone else

[sullen berry]

Exactly my thought

Why would I vote only for monte & Co to veto for something other than Overwatch League talent?

These panels are really limited in what info they get about overwatch

If they hear NYXL did great during the season

But never made it to grand finals

They must have been a bad team

For overwatch to have such an esports presence amongst the fortnite and the CS:Go LOL and Dota players /streamers, this is a great pull of awards

[dull cypress]

no recruitment here thanks

[mossy bone]

Wait did kephrii actually join a contenders team

[upper niche]

Wait did a contenders team actually accept Kephrii?

[gaunt acorn]

yes

[upper niche]

Did I type 'wait'? Maybe I should have said 'why'? 😃

[round obsidian]

https://twitter.com/GlobalEsportsIn/status/1062148563428360192?s=20

Global eSports (@GlobalEsportsIn)

Watch our newest contenders team member @Kephrii live right now on twitch https://t.co/mh0Q85r0Vv

Twitter

Kephrii did it

The madman

[upper niche]

What contenders team are they?

[round obsidian]

Korea contenders

[upper niche]

Korea?!

[round obsidian]

He uses a list of korean callouts on his second monitor to communicate with his team

Since he can’t speak korean

[upper niche]

So he couldn't get a gig with an American team and has to play with a 200 ping?

[round obsidian]

No, he’s going to Korea

[upper niche]

WTF?

[round obsidian]

You can’t play in contenders Korea online

It’s a LAN environment

[gilded peak]

How good is Kephrii? I always hear stuff about his aim.

[upper niche]

He's 'ok'.

[pearl stratus]

I think Korea might be a huge awakening for him if he ends up going

[warped axle]

Is Kephrii the new Kruise?

[sullen berry]

@round obsidian it's not PAC contendies?

[gaunt acorn]

it's PAC not KR

that kephrii is joining

[copper solstice]

I never known kanga had a overwatch team

[round obsidian]

I thought PAC was the team name

And global esports was like a Twitter acc for news n shit

Their names are confusing

[torpid charm]

https://twitter.com/TOesports/status/1062206474624159745 hmmm

Toronto Esports Club (@TOesports)

We have been informed by Blizzard that we will be forced to remove “Toronto” from our brand in only 6 weeks. Mid Contenders season 3. The reason cited: @TorontoDefiant have purchased “exclusive naming rights”. We will be leaving Overwatch effective immediately. Go...

Twitter

[upper niche]

That's thoroughly fucked.

[gaunt acorn]

hahahaha

cya loser

[upper niche]

Well, whoever's running that twitter account certainly isn't doing themselves any favours.

[torpid charm]

Their Twitter was horrendous

[upper niche]

I'm very quickly seeing that. There's a lot of "Good riddance" responses to their tweets already heh.

They're not just burning bridges, they're dousing it with petrol. And magnesium.

At the rate they're going I wouldn't be surprised if they coated it in potassium then dropped it in a lake too.

[acoustic mauve]

Soaked in kerosene and used as chafing fuel

[torpid charm]

https://twitter.com/LorangerChris/status/1062217159500275712

Chris ‘HuK’ Loranger (@LorangerChris)

I do not have the ability at the moment to address the recent or current decision out of @TOesports and we were not part of the decision at all. That being said we retain ownership of all the player and staff contracts and ownership over the contenders slot.

Twitter

[upper niche]

so... Kraft owned the Contenders slot and were allowing TO to operate it?

[fast basin]

so

Defiant own the word "Toronto" when it comes to overwatch now? wat?

[upper niche]

Did Activision/Bliz make it a requirement for the new teams to also run academy/development/contenders teams?

[pearl stratus]

So it sounds like...

The players just get management that won't be fucking reprobate levels of stupid on their twitter.

Eh.

Win win for the players.

[sullen berry]

And Lose lose for the now ex-CEO of "Toronto esports"

What a time to make that decision final

@round obsidian you should check out Pacific contenders, we have patiphan and that one guy who popped off carpe as part of Honk Kong Attitude

And now Kephrii

Thanks to OWWC

I have a handful of Contenders players from every region worth watching for

Nice work blizz

[torpid charm]

[sullen berry]

now that's a thonker

[gaunt acorn]

nothing to see here

[thick tulip]

🎃

[karmic grotto]

Kephrii finally joined what he wanted, a team

Except, Contenders

[queen drift]

glad TOE is done

their media and pr was an embarassment

hope that boston keep the players and give a proper academy team a go

[magic zinc]

https://twitter.com/coastward/status/1062109897163186178

coastward @ isaac's grave (@coastward)

jesus christ the esports awards actually hired this fool LMAOOO https://t.co/FJND9J3YQM

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Oh jesus

[queen drift]

wtf

cringe

[gaunt acorn]

[hidden vault]

Gg to the team that Kephrii joined

[hidden vault]

https://www.vpesports.com/overwatch/leaked-hangzhou-spark-logo-reference-to-anime-a-certain-scientific-railgun/

[idle beacon]

so 3 new american and asian teams and only 1 european team

?

stupid crap thinkin of blizz

[gaunt acorn]

first of all, there's 2 canadian teams, 2 american teams, 3 chinese teams, and 1 french team

and i'm pretty sure it wasn't stupidity that drove them to those cities

it was investors

european investors are typically more risk-adverse and didn't seem to flock to the owl

unlike investors in china and north america, comparatively

i don't know what you expected

[warped axle]

There should have been a second korean team

[lilac atlas]

Maybe no big investors in Busan or Seoul has a binding agreement to keep their monopoly over SK

Hinting at the fact that they wont let London Spitfire host a fan meetup in South Korea

Just for regional control

[balmy wolf]

https://twitter.com/esportsawards/status/1062110071512055809?s=21

Esports Awards (@esportsawards)

The winner of the Esports Game of the Year @overwatch #ESPORTSAWARDS

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All these Csgo kids salty af in the comments

[gaunt acorn]

@lilac atlas i don't think so

an investor group representing busan was in negotiations for season 2 but didn't commit, as far as i know

somewhat similarly chicago was interested for season 1 but didn't return to the table for season 2

[lilac atlas]

I wasnt sure about the investor situation, but overall its a shame there isnt another South korea team

It could be another rivalry like Dallas vs Houston, LAV vs LAG, etc

[pearl stratus]

I'm sure there will be for Season 3 - because I dont' think Blizzard was even expecting quite as much growth in teams for S2.

It's just stupid because EU has essentially locked themselves out of the OWL.

Because if they're being risk averse and cheap now and we see a standard franchising uptick they won't be jumping in any time soon.

Assuming rumors are true and Season 1 was ~20M, Season 2 was ~35M we can assume Season 3 would be 45-50M.

[hidden vault]

Busan for GC Busan:(((

[limber pine]

i think the likelihood is extremely high for season 3

[pearl stratus]

The question becomes more about team caps.

I dont' think they'll do more than 'traditional sports' and over the next 2 seasons (if it continues that long) will only add 10-12 more teams total.

Most sports now have ~30-32 teams and don't actively look to add more.

So my best guess for the future is that other areas that want representation have two years to do it.

And thats mostly an american number.

I believe globally the Premier League only has like.. 20 teams, I know NRL (National Rugby League) only has 16ish teams.

[limber pine]

I guess it depends on how much buyin they'll have in 2-3 years

i don't think 20 is bad

now

[pearl stratus]

20 is a good spot, but I could see them wanting more because (in my opinion) more teams is a healthier league for all involved

It's also, as a trickle down, better for Contenders which they seem to try and focus on.

If you've got 30-32 orgs and 75% of them maintain academy teams that's a nice boost to S2 with little/no involvement by Blizzard which is a solution they enjoy 😛

[hidden vault]

I believe all would have academy teams

Cause two-way contract

And business

You think they would do bidding for every year?

[queen drift]

Premier league works on promotion relegation though

[hidden vault]

Top winners would be invited back

[queen drift]

Fresh teams every season

[hidden vault]

The rest needs to bid?

[gaunt acorn]

that definitely won't be happening with owl

[hidden vault]

Teams need to pay to retain their spot?

[pearl stratus]

@queen drift I was more using it as a baseline for number - they tend to stick around the 20 mark.

[hidden vault]

I don't see all owl teams would stick for every season

[pearl stratus]

They will, they have to. They just get bought by other people.

There will always be a Fusion, for instance.

Its why team names were not allowed to be reflected around organizations, etc.

[hidden vault]

And if they aren't bought then?

Hmm I see

[pearl stratus]

Blizzard retains the team until it is.

[sullen berry]

I need an A to B comparison

[pearl stratus]

At least thats how most sports franchising works if they're modeled after NBA/NFL.

Which Blizzard seems to be doing.

[sullen berry]

Dallas Fuel did not have a contenders team to scrim with during season 1

[pearl stratus]

Envy?

[sullen berry]

that was not until the start of NA season 2

like, around stage 3?

[pearl stratus]

Season 1 was before OWL wasn't it?

It was from August to September 2017.

Yeah:

Start Date:2017-08-19
End Date:2017-10-08

Season 2 was first season that Academy Teams would have existed.

Also almost all the scrimming in Season 1 was against other OWL teams if you didn't have 12 players afaik

[limber pine]

Season 0 started in June

if we are counting that

[green stump]

I wonder if they are going to unlock all the owl games for the owwc

That will be a gold mine

[karmic grotto]

^

They should and will do

[warped axle]

Jayne would be loaded

[little silo]

i mean they literally tested it for the owl at the wc

[pearl stratus]

I'm just wondering if they're going to tie it into something financial.

I'd like to hope not, but the pragmatist in me says thats a shitty business decision.

[balmy wolf]

can someone tell me if the update required you to uninstall the game then reinstalled it cause it got really buggy for me

[pearl stratus]

Yes, latest update also included optimization

Which did a full reinstall.

[balmy wolf]

so i dont have to uninstall it myself then reinstall it?

[limber pine]

no

[pearl stratus]

No, the update should do it for you.

[balmy wolf]

okay thanks

[upper niche]

@pearl stratus Re "Most sports now have ~30-32 teams and don't actively look to add more." - 30 teams is a bloody stupid number if you don't have the fanbase to support it.

The AFL operated for a long time with 16 teams, we're only recently seeing it having expanded to 20 teams - OWL certainly doesn't have the same fanbase/revenue as AFL. Its total revenue for season 1 was approximately around the same range as the NRL, despite operating in an economy 15 times the size.

[sullen berry]

@pearl stratus that'd be the barrier to creating OWL content raised, Activision Blizzard would not pass up the financial incentive same way they wouldn't be any more generous with OW League tokens prior to just giving them away on stream

one is either to crossover with all access pass, because this is what the people really wanted when they said "multiple camera angles"

[ruby pendant]

Do you guys/gals think Ashe would be a game changer in OWL?

[green stump]

No

[ruby pendant]

lol, quick no!

[green stump]

But the brig nerf has started up a lot of conversation

Yeah.. discussed it with our t2 coach, no one is expecting ashe to replace like sombra or anything. She'll be useful in some maps, but not a huge game changer

[sullen berry]

when orisa was introduced, not immediately

wrecking ball is still carving out a niche as contenders have had the most competitive experience

[green stump]

With jeffs say about what they are testing with brig, the Meta is going to open up a lot more

If it goes through

[sullen berry]

i hope that the patch in january is reasonable

that would be the first one in and ready for the OW League in Feb

[forest raven]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1062579961712820224

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

Sources: Sydney Dropbears & Team Australia Main Tank Ashley “Trill” Powell will be playing in NA Contenders this season, after signing with Team Envyus

Twitter

[sullen berry]

Good shit, a main tank upgrade

[queen drift]

I imagine Ash will just replace McCree other than flash

like on ilios/well

[gaunt acorn]

i don't know about that

mccree has a faster ttk

ashe almost feels more like the mid-range sniper role hanzo occupied

[magic zinc]

I wonder if she actually makes a dent in goats or not with dynamite tbh, I think that'll be hugely important for her role going forward

[red anvil]

Mccree dont have faster ttk

and ashe can insta kill with damage boost

[surreal lichen]

^only with a headshot.

[red anvil]

yes and?

[limber pine]

McCree and Ashe bring different things

McCree's burst is a little better

Ashe is more Hanzo than McCree really

[pearl stratus]

@magic zinc She'll do some. As the design guy said on Surefours stream she provides a zero sum solution for passive healing while the Dynamite is up.

It's not as strong as an Ana nade, but it still zeroes one of them out.

It's not exactly a coincide her TnT explosion (burn) does 16.6 dps, and both Lucio and Brigitte passive heal for 16hps.

[sullen berry]

any news anticipated for today/tomorrow?

[limber pine]

somebody said the spark were announcing tomorrow

[sullen berry]

pink blue skin though?

[limber pine]

that's the theory

[pearl stratus]

The mock ups someone made looked pretty good actually, in a weird way.

[sullen berry]

so good that it * might * be legit

problem with it is the spark team logo implies we know they have the blue in them, but not the pink

[green stump]

Mykl saying france player threw during world cup huh

[limber pine]

That's rubbish

[sullen berry]

can you really expect french contenders players looking to be up there with the owl players throwing any match that wasn't groups though

benbest and winz had no reason to imply they were throwing in their semis/bronze matches

at the very least France couldn't even try to throw when your opponents included an underwhelming Germany, and less mechanically solid Italy/poland/netherlands

[green stump]

@limber pine based apparently cause winz on the France team didn't get picked for owl and said he's quitting overwatch altogether

[limber pine]

That literally doesn't make any sense

[green stump]

It is quite confusing

[pearl stratus]

I mean lets be fair - Winz probably should have retired/switched games a while ago.

He's old, generally bad attitude, and was never actually that great.

People mention his Rogue days but his job in those days was 90% to sit on the cart and not even work with the other 5 people 😛

But I don't think he was throwing.

I just don't think he was a good pick for their roster.

He was picked mostly because of AKM - would be my guess.

[green stump]

World cup feels like the best chance for contenders players to actually get picked for owl

[pearl stratus]

Not for DPS in this meta, sadly.

At least thats how I feel.

The only team that effectively showed off DPS was China and SK.

[karmic grotto]

@green stump Like Fusion?

[green stump]

@karmic grotto fusion and another uk member got picked up

[limber pine]

Boston always playing moneyball

it wouldn't shock me if they liked what they saw before Blizzcon

but Blizzcon certainly solidified it

[karmic grotto]

Ah Moneyball, that movie yes

Inspiring

Some teams are like that

[pearl stratus]

The problem with World Cup this year is that GOATS as a meta really makes your DPS not look appealing for pick ups.

Because they're rarely actually playing DPS.

So you don't see any flex from them at all.

So they're useless.

[green stump]

@limber pine you make it sound more like it's a dang brothel XD

[pearl stratus]

I mean what else are contenders players.

Little hoors.

[sullen berry]

2017 was the year for tanks

good strategic callouts, in fact they were incredibly apparent when you have taimou play MT and unsurprisingly didn't work out

[sullen berry]

"You really typed this all up" sums that deleted post quite nicely

[upper niche]

Pft, 2016 you mean? Remember when Ana gave +speed and +healing?'

NanoRein

InvulnerRein.

[sullen berry]

that was a time to be a support main

what time when sombra was being shoehorned as the off-support

[upper niche]

When your choices of support were Mercy, Ana, Lucio or Zenyatta.

And Zenyatta wasn't really viable at all, 150 health and all.

[sullen berry]

and EMP just failed compared to the one we have now

[upper niche]

EMP/Sombra wasn't around back then.

[sullen berry]

post 2016 blizzcon, true

[upper niche]

Sombra got about as much pla as Sym in comps, she wasn't viable at all

[sullen berry]

For tobi you were a god when it came to being the lucio main

[torpid charm]

https://twitter.com/Hangzhou_Spark/status/1062874940175613953

Hangzhou Spark (@Hangzhou_Spark)

We are Hangzhou Spark! ✧｡٩(ˊᗜˋ)و✧* https://t.co/yq63oaseQw

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[limber pine]

those skins man

[ruby pendant]

Joke video?

[still stump]

i feel bad for that reaper

[vagrant niche]

HOOOOLYYYY CRAAAAP

THEY put all the away skins on PTR

now you can have them

[woeful portal]

@gaunt acorn what u think of the hangzhou skins

[gaunt acorn]

@woeful portal ..ya

[woeful portal]

LOL

I honestly like them

[gaunt acorn]

i don't have anything against them, they just aren't for me

very ayaya clap tho

[vagrant niche]

http://puu.sh/C1Xdh/478d968bd4.jpg

GOLDEN BOB

[woeful portal]

LMAO

[vagrant niche]

i love this!!

[gaunt acorn]

golden mcdonalds bob happy meal toy

[vagrant niche]

Godammm away skins so sick

[gaunt acorn]

i'd like to see how the hangzhou skins look in-game anyhow

@vagrant niche where did you get the away skin

oh you said

[vagrant niche]

PTR bruh

[gaunt acorn]

i wonder what that means, though

will we be able to buy them with owl tokens i guess?

[vagrant niche]

they were unlocked for the skins i already got

[gaunt acorn]

will they be cheaper than home skins?

oh really

[vagrant niche]

ye

[gaunt acorn]

so you buy a skin and get home + away

[vagrant niche]

ye

[gaunt acorn]

okay that's epic cool

[vagrant niche]

@gaunt acorn

http://puu.sh/C1Xkw/cad6ef0610.jpg

[gaunt acorn]

nice

i like this change

kind of makes the whole "buy all-access pass to get 12 away skins" pointless now though

[vagrant niche]

well that was a scam to begin with

not sure why people even bothered with it other than the paid amas

[upper niche]

Lol wtf. Hangzhou Hello-kitty?

[gaunt acorn]

@vagrant niche was worth it just for the player icon

[upper niche]

@gaunt acorn Not entirely. You would have to buy all 12 of those individual skins... AAP was a bit useless already in that it was 12 roughly random skins noone really wanted, probably.

[gaunt acorn]

i already owned nearly all of the included skins

prior to purchasing it

i really just bought it for the player icon and away skins

[vagrant niche]

man, the away skins are so good

[tranquil sage]

excited for spark's future plays

tried to find the roster before it got released but only found one member (?) so far

i dont keep up with esports as often as i should but bilibili earns an eyebrow raise from me

these skins? now both my eyebrows are raised lol

[sullen berry]

Well I'm impressed yesterday's leaks were true

[upper niche]

What part of a spark is pink!? or ... whatever the fuck that blue colour is?

Cyan?

[gaunt acorn]

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/q5/Q5JM4HO6QW1J1542073748921.jpg

i mean, yeah

[sullen berry]

I translated their fan page on weibo

[vagrant niche]

is that legit?

Barbie team

[upper niche]

It's bloody Hello Kitty, I swear.

Cabbage Patch Kids, if you could make that rhyme.

[sullen berry]

Shamelessly the weeb team:
[cp] Hello everyone, here is the independent unofficial fan group of Hangzhou Overwatch Team @Hangzhou-Spark of "The Overwatch League" (๑•̀ᄇ•́)و✧

The fan homepage is named "Hangzhou Lightning", which means that the Lightning Team can achieve sunny results and a bright future in the Watching the Pioneer League.

Here we will bring you the "weather forecast" of Hangzhou Spark, so that everyone can get the latest developments of Hangzhou Spark in the most convenient and quick way.

In the future, we will accompany the Hangzhou Spark as a creator, collector, recorder, and producer, and grow together.

Then φ( ゚▽ ゚*)♪ (#somechineseslogan)

Pay attention to the official social account of Hangzhou Spark
Bilibili ID: Hangzhou Lightning Team http:t.cn/E2vGfCJ
Weibo ID: @Hangzhou-Spark
WeChat public number ID: HangzhouSpark
[/cp]

[gaunt acorn]

[sullen berry]

their gratuitous use of emoticons sets the tone, even if I can't confirm this is a genuine team fan page

The Chinese gang is here

[vagrant niche]

ayaya

[gaunt acorn]

[torpid charm]

I love it

[sullen berry]

"I will always be a Shanghai Dragons fan"

[upper niche]

I think we have a new contender for taking away Shanghai's Loss record, if they don't even take themselves seriously.

[gaunt acorn]

@upper niche doubtful

hangzhou has arguably the strongest roster of the chinese teams

[torpid charm]

^^^

[gaunt acorn]

chengdu is believed to be the weakest

the hunters will become the hunted

or something like that

[ruby pendant]

Would be funny if they surprise everyone

Same with Hangzhou performing around Mayhem/Dragons level.

People thought Dragons were going to perform well after all!

[gaunt acorn]

not really

you can revisit the reveal thread on /r/competitiveoverwatch

most of the comments are people asking why they didn't recruit miraculous youngster

who are these people

etc

[sullen berry]

Link please dray?

[gaunt acorn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/7a22ut/overwatch_league_shanghai_dragons_roster_reveal/

[sullen berry]

MY seems like a dreaded mistake

They are talented, no lie

[gaunt acorn]

shanghai was never thought to be great

nobody expected 0-40, but

they weren't hyped up much

neither were mayhem other than tviq

hangzhou has guxue who proved to be insane at world cup

and other proven chinese talent

[sullen berry]

But aren't we trying to figure out these rosters in about a months' time?

[gaunt acorn]

hm?

[sullen berry]

No roster reveals, these are leaks still right?

Regards to Guangzhou roster

[gaunt acorn]

they haven't revealed it, no

[sullen berry]

There's only footage from their announcement with montages of like 4 people confirmed

[gaunt acorn]

although they basically confirmed guxue today

something about world cup winston

Tanks
Qiulin "guxue" Xu

Da-un "NoSmite" Jeong

Seong-Wook "Ria" Park

DPS
Kyeong-bo "GodsB" Kim

Jun-Ki "Bazzi" Park

Shilong "Krystal" Cai

Jae-hwan "Adora" Kang

Supports
Hui-chang "BeBe" Yoon

Hyeong-Geun "Revenge" An

Ho-jin "iDK" Park

[sullen berry]

Is it wrong that I enjoy this clip way too much after FiveKing has left the roster?
https://clips.twitch.tv/DeafObservantShingleKeyboardCat

[gaunt acorn]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/79tlg5/shanghai_dragons_roster_reveal/

@sullen berry here, too

this one has more juicy comments

@ruby pendant as you can see, most people did not think shanghai was going to do well

[ruby pendant]

Dragon had a match with SK early on, and think people thought they performed well. I agree, that people felt better players could have been chosen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/7q5hhc/what_happened_to_shanghai_dragons/

[idle beacon]

wow, i've just seen the news about taimou saying that atleast 20 OWL players are using aderall and that blizzard ain't going for drug / doping tests in near future ...
i KNEW that some players are totally on aderall, etc pp 😦

[ruby pendant]

Also, waiting to see how Leave, and etc perform. Taimou was suppose to one of the best dps in OWL based on performance in world cup and previous Overwatch tournaments. There so much hype targeted towards him.

[fleet walrus]

I really dislike Hangzhou’s pink

It’s just too vivid imo

[ruby pendant]

Unfortunately, didn't meet up to expectations. Rather be cautious.

[fleet walrus]

but I like brig so who tf cares

I wished Vancouver was pink

[ruby pendant]

@gaunt acorn How about this? You think Hangzhou will be top 6 OWL? I'm not buying hype yet!

[gaunt acorn]

@ruby pendant top 6? i'm really not sure

i haven't given much thought to proper pre-season rankings

but i think they will be the best chinese team

either them or shanghai

[idle beacon]

ouh, atlanta having the first german OWL player?!

[gaunt acorn]

and shanghai is basically full-korean

yes, kodak

[idle beacon]

looking forward to see how he'll perform 😃

and, did sdb leave phili or did phili traded him for paris?

[ruby pendant]

https://dotesports.com/overwatch/news/philly-fusion-drops-three-players-including-shadowburn

[idle beacon]

😦

is toronto esports the contenders team of uprising?

[gaunt acorn]

@idle beacon not anymore

they have quit overwatch and now boston will rename the team

the roster, staff, etc all belong to boston still

will probably be "uprising academy" from now on

[idle beacon]

ok thx

was wondering because on liquipedia Fusions got traded from british hurricanes to uprising / toronto

[torpid charm]

@idle beacon SDB got released from Philly then signed to Paris

[limpid estuary]

They left Contenders because they werent allowed to use Toronto in their name anymore

Because of the Toronto Defiant

But its not the first time TES did something dumb.

Toronto will probably get a new contenders team to be the Defiant academy team

[gaunt acorn]

@limpid estuary toronto esports was never associated with toronto defiant

they were the academy team for boston

[limpid estuary]

I know

[gaunt acorn]

and boston still retains control over everything

so a simple rebranding will suffice

[limpid estuary]

Its not gonna be simple rebranding

[gaunt acorn]

stupid move overall by the owner

[limpid estuary]

They're just gonna move it out from TES entirely

[gaunt acorn]

well yes

i mean to say boston doesn't need to buy the players or anything

they still retain control of the players/slot and will simply operate it directly from now on

or get another org to do it for them

[limpid estuary]

Yeah, the team is fine

Its just Tes being Tes, and being awful in general

[pearl stratus]

Defiant should name their Academy team "Toronto Sports"

[gaunt acorn]

Toronto E-sports

[gaunt acorn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsA4L3YUcAQbmet.jpg

[queen drift]

Tbh the top 6 will probably be the same teams

Maybe Seoul will replace Valiant

Other than that not much has changed, experience will carry first season teams through

[upper niche]

Bottom 5.

My prediction for 2019 is that London will be a stronger, more consistent team BUT the games theylose will be upsets. They have a better W/L ratio overall, and lose to a couple of big teams, but also to some bottom teams thy should have cleaned up.

[gaunt acorn]

it's not like london was ever particularly good in the regular season past stage 1

so i agree

[upper niche]

Yeah - I think they'll be more like Stage 1 all the way through this time, like NYXL. Except with S4 ;p

[gaunt acorn]

still don't know how they won the grand finals

[queen drift]

imo its a shame london won

[gaunt acorn]

they were garbage for most of the season

philly deserved it

nyxl threw a stage for playoffs

london threw 3 stages

[queen drift]

ye

final should have been philly v nyxl

philly win

[gaunt acorn]

i found the philly vs nyxl match more exciting than the grand final

[forest raven]

London went fuckin super saiyan

[karmic grotto]

They thought of pulling off a last minute effort

[queen drift]

dont think anyone would have predicted that ^^

[upper niche]

Dont think anyone would have predicted Shocking beating LAV the other week either

[queen drift]

were they playing with or without soon?

[upper niche]

Yes

[queen drift]

...?

[upper niche]

..!

[queen drift]

was soon playing or not

[upper niche]

Not a clue

[queen drift]

so why answer

[upper niche]

I dunno. Fun? Conversation?

I like the clicking noise of Cherry Red keys?

[idle beacon]

wait, there are league offseason games?

[rare sonnet]

Soon is not on Valiant anymore

They got rid of their frenchies

Tbh they shouldn’t have been the ones to sign them, only because rogue got shafted did other teams not pick them up

The pair would have done great on Houston

[magic zinc]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/9x7qzo/nate_explains_hangzhou_sparks_branding/e9qa9wz/

What a team

[fast basin]

Spark is pink

[gaunt acorn]

[limber pine]

God the dc reveal is gonna be terrible

[gaunt acorn]

likely, yes

[limber pine]

I image that's likely today or tomorrow, given the pattern of announcements

[gaunt acorn]

still awhile for vancouver

[pearl stratus]

I actually just want to know whats going on with Custa tbh.

He's the bigger part of Wholesome Watch.

Also the last Shock vs. LAV cup people were debating early was apparently janky AF. Bunny got a potato computer and was getting lower fps and input lag.

[limber pine]

what happened to Custa

[balmy wolf]

@gaunt acorn you thinking Vancouver will be a beast?

[idle beacon]

custa was the support player, right?

[queen drift]

https://clips.twitch.tv/InquisitiveIntelligentElephantPanicBasket

[torpid charm]

Yes

[pearl stratus]

@limber pine Fox linked it, but no longer streaming for an indefinite amount of time.

Said it was personal, not that big a deal.

But I'm nosy.

[queen drift]

interesting to me that he clarified he CAN'T stream

not that he would be busy trying to find time, didnt want to, etc

[pearl stratus]

Yeah but its all super vague. Could be LAV, could be other things, could be his neighbors.

I remember at his last apartment he got multiple, multiple noise complaints.

So he was streaming in silence with only facial expressions.

[queen drift]

wasnt that before LA though?

[pearl stratus]

Pretty sure it was during Season 1

[limber pine]

the top comment in the reddit thread said that he said later in the stream that it was nothing serious

[pearl stratus]

I mean that's just PR though.

And thats why I was thinking of the neighbor situation,.

Or maybe for focus and health LAV doesn't want people streaming after scrim hours for wrist/finger health, mental health, etc.

That's not a big deal.

[hidden vault]

I heard that defiant wanted pink skins at 1st?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506851215255273485/512444379105984529/DqY3oq-XcAENzak.png

Is this true?

[limber pine]

looks like somebody just put a pink filter over the red parts

[idle beacon]

latter color comb looks nice

[limber pine]

if TD wanted to be pink, there'd be parts of the skin that were grey instead of white

like the logo on Zen's orbs

[hidden vault]

hmm

thanks sprite

[vagrant niche]

When are my atlanta skins ready to buy?

i can't wait to get my Dafran skins

[limber pine]

soonTM

[pearl stratus]

No, Soons on France.

[limber pine]

the away skins are on the ptr now

[pearl stratus]

And not the bench.

[limber pine]

buh dum tssh

[gaunt acorn]

@limber pine @hidden vault no it's true

that's a fan mock-up, no official screenshots were released

but toronto was indeed pursuing pink

this was prior to runaway signing with vancouver

[balmy wolf]

Defiant's Red+Black looks smooth and crisp, I like it.

I like the color pink but that filter makes the color pink look gotti

[pearl stratus]

https://news.unikrn.com/article/rogue-tank-winz-overwatch-league-politics?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=feature&utm_campaign=winzquitsowl111518&utm_term=overwatch&utm_content=ds

Can't just admit he's a mediocre T3 support, maybe - maybe T2.

[green stump]

@pearl stratus be surprised how much you can apply that to a lot of 'pro' players

Yet some of his other team france players got into owl...
🤔

[ruby pendant]

Wasn't that the case for Dragons?

[limber pine]

that they were mediocre

?

[ruby pendant]

yeah

Don't think Dragons had appropriate tryouts either.

There could be some truth is what winz is saying.

Not saying he deserves to be in the league though!

[limber pine]

It's a widely accepted opinion that the best Chinese players didn't play on Shanghai.

Their situation is largely different than Winz

He stopped playing pro OW for a long time

and then gets upset that he's not getting picked up

Yes, there are politics involved with OWL (especially in Season 1), but Winz hasn't done himself any favors.

It just comes off as sour grapes

[queen drift]

I think he's not as annoyed that he's not getting picked up, rather he's saying he doesnt care because he didnt try / didnt want to try

but didnt try because he knew he wouldnt get in

[limber pine]

and that's just a terrible attitude to have

[queen drift]

+1

[limber pine]

self-fulfilling prophecy

if that's true, that just turns me off to him even more.

[pearl stratus]

Also - and this is just my aside.

For someone whining about the politics off.

[queen drift]

i mean didnt he retire originally because he didnt get into owl to begin with?

[pearl stratus]

He leeched off his brothers shadow for a long fucking time.

Which is literally politics.

I am still, and will always be, convinced that he only made it on to the OWWC team as a way to make AKM happy

[ruby pendant]

interesting views, I agree he seems a bit sore

[pearl stratus]

There are much much better french supports.

[ruby pendant]

so no one here like winz?

you don't think he could have been a sub for practice scrims?

[pearl stratus]

He's not good enough and his mentality is shit.

He's like...

You ever find sea glass before?

That's Winz.

He's just washed up.

Hyp would most likely have performed better.

[magic zinc]

https://twitter.com/vanguarde/status/1062879104452579328

Mark Van Lommel (@vanguarde)

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[ruby pendant]

that's sweet

[rare sonnet]

Oh shit

[green stump]

@magic zinc hmmmmm interesting

[magic zinc]

Only for Americans though yikes

Or an international student studying in America

I still applied although for a different internship (as a European) hoping they will let me pay for my own visa (and if I didnt apply I'd kick myself)

[upper niche]

lol 'intern'. In the US.

I found out the other day that we have an intern program running here at work where we pay interns $41+ per hour. Ie, the equivalent of $85k full time.

[magic zinc]

Blizzard handles your accomodation it looks pretty sweet tbh

[verbal roost]

Is it full time?

[sullen berry]

I don't know, with US internships. Probably be indirectly responsible for these twitter account's gif react posts and hopefully doing a much better job around them

[sick canopy]

Jlulke

nvm

i was going to talk about the houston outlaws but the emote didn't work

[sullen berry]

J K E

[hidden vault]

Who was rumoured to be signed in Hangzhou?

[gaunt acorn]

Tanks
Qiulin "guxue" Xu

Da-un "NoSmite" Jeong

Seong-Wook "Ria" Park

DPS
Kyeong-bo "GodsB" Kim

Jun-Ki "Bazzi" Park

Shilong "Krystal" Cai

Jae-hwan "Adora" Kang

Supports
Hui-chang "BeBe" Yoon

Hyeong-Geun "Revenge" An

Ho-jin "iDK" Park

@hidden vault

[upper niche]

Yeah but who was rumoured to?

That list is way too precise and definite :p