i like the name, but...
#esports-discussion
gaunt acorn
that is a shit logo
seriously am i crazy or does it look super unprofessional
can't believe any design firm would approve this
torpid charm
If these logos and names are actually 100% for real then I’m not feeling a majority of them
gaunt acorn
it would also suggest grey is our secondary colour?
i'm not buying this
and if it's real, then i'm also not buying this
that is to say, buying skins
torpid charm
torpid charm
I feel like I just expected more I guess? Idk
I do plan on getting a jersey for a player on one of the new teams though. Most likely GZ Hotba or Chengdu Silkthread
sullen berry
I'd do it for ashe to spite the outlaws black and green
forest raven
At least Vanguard is the best name along with Hunters
sullen berry
I can get with them as well as Spark and Charge
GZ and HZ really REALLY want to be competing with each other
torpid charm
Spark & Charge 
sullen berry
it's going to be a stupid artificial marketing campaign
but at least people will want to watch it as much as say
Battle for LA
forest raven
Zhou v Zhou
sullen berry
Chengdu 🐼 Ni Hao, Shanghai 
Have you met my brothers Guang 🔋 and Hang ❇ ?
If I had a penny for each time these two will be confused with each other
consider me a hundred dollars better off after stage 1
torpid charm
Finna be rich
torpid charm
That’s what I’m saying
lime bridge
Paris HAD to go with a rooster...
Découvrez le Tweet de @haloofthoughts : https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1060069845541273600?s=09
verbal roost
Chengdu Hunters... Panda hunters 😮
Paris is a rooster?
Are these real logos?
They don't look finished
lime bridge
Well it's a leak so noone knows how real it is
balmy wolf
Rooster would make sense for Paris
lime bridge
Yeah but it's more of a French symbol then just a symbol of Paris
Maybe I just wanted to see a Fleur-de-lys so much on the logo that I'm sour
we'll see tomorrow if this leak holds up anyways
hidden vault
Paris Rogue no?
verbal roost
Gallic rooster... ?
visual glen
KFC
karmic grotto
Because he is his biggest fan
hidden vault
Seagull_No1_Fan is seagull??
sullen berry
I'm dying
magic zinc
Part of me things this is just 1 big jebait
gaunt acorn
the chengdu one seems legit
shanghai dragons even followed that twitter
and silkthread obv
that would lend credence to the others being legit also
which sucks
because outside of chengdu and guangzhou they all suck
and i find it hard to believe someone faked them all so believably in such a short time
sullen berry
I believe they had the chance to sneak in one or two false team logos and make them out as false ones
maybe I'm just denying that this is china confirming to tradition honestly
you're welcome to use this version, same color as the Spark
I mean, it's blurple
but the inspiration is obvious
limber pine
They all seem so clipart-ish
and jesus I hate that DC logo
make something original for pete's sake
limber pine
it's a lot too much
magic zinc
Yeah its like they're stock photos ya know lol
pearl stratus
@sullen berry Either way, while it sucks for him, he still didn't like his contract with Cyclops, etc.
I also think he could be fine for Contenders with the region locking.
The article mentions there's only one non-Korean team in Japan, which is Cyclops.
If those teams now have to pick up Japanese players it opens up doors that aren't just him returning to Cyclops, which is where the stigma is from.
sullen berry
@pearl stratus ah well that implies there are decent performing korean teams in japan to work around the pacific. I have yet to hear teams like this in an attempt to qualify when you can just be in korea & qualify
case in point for the past 2 seasons
Monster Shield KR is a team in the pacific contenders
and I think objectively, this is good for Japan's Overwatch competitive scene
nothing can be worse than Brasil Gaming House with little to no local competitive talent pool above them
they said so themselves it is hard for BGH to scrim with better teams if you're already the greatest contenders team in SA
pearl stratus
Yeah but there's also no way for local talent to get better if there's no teams for them to play on.
It's a self limiting system.
And personally while Optic did a bunch of stuff weird, I agree with their end result.
Since the only way to avoid the firings, and cutbacks etc, would be to stay partnered with a dude who beat his wife with a hammer 😛
DSV was a huge part of optics economy.
hidden vault
what happened to GGEA lol
pearl stratus
Didn't submit their roster in time to join Contenders amongst the Optic Financial Shitstorm.
pearl stratus
They're stable now, but they went through a decent chunk of cuts.
They filed for an extension, so they were working on something
But Blizzard declined them, at least that was part of the original leaks/rumors
pearl stratus
@limber pine Looks like I win the Dafran banned betting square.
We'll see if its real or not soon enough, but he removed all his Atlanta stuff too.
These things from team China (on the cow reddit) are amazing:
In the pre-match interview, Reinforce asked Leave, "How does it feel to return to Overwatch?" Leave said, "It's okay, mostly it's just like, wow, some people became so good all of a sudden."
limber pine
I think we both win
I said a while ago that I expect him to start the season suspended
pearl stratus
Also poor Sky.
He blames himself pretty heavily for the SK loss it looks like.
I think he showed up to be one of the best supports of the OWWC, complete redemption from Shanghai. Him and Yveltal were so good.
His sleep on nano'd Agilities on Blizzworld vs. Canada won them the game.
pearl stratus
I wish someone could have picked up that entire team for OWL, minus Leave obviously. Just replace him with Eileen or YXL. It'll be sad when they're split up
pearl stratus
No official confirmation yet. But he did uinstall OW on his stream, and remove all his Atlanta stuff from his twitter bio.
So time will tell.
Man. Dallas should pick up Lateyoung.
I didn't realize how close OGE and Lateyoung are.
clear crane
But he can’t speak English fluent enough yet can he
pearl stratus
He can now.
clear crane
To a comfortable level
pearl stratus
He also speaks a little bit of Korean.
He turned down Boston last year because of language and I guess focused pretty hard on it
karmic grotto
I mean, didn't he say he wouldn't join OWL, then he joined
So now, he might be trolling
We will see what will be of his streams
limber pine
I'm willing to bet it's a giant bait or he's just suspended for a stage or two
karmic grotto
How long is a stage?
clear crane
I thought it’s longer now since there’s only 2 not 4 stages
limber pine
It's still 4 stages
pearl stratus
4 stages, less matches per team/per stage and a longer gap between them - but same timeline for the length of a stage so far
warped axle
I think Dafran is jebaiting again.
clear crane
Ah
Lol someone on reddit “deciphered” his tweet
Contract end = NRG contract
OW uninstalled = no need for it in Denmark
McDonalds = coming to USA
zenith badge
That's reaching
I hate the guy, but I'd give him credit for being that creative
If in fact he's done, better now then having ATL build their team around him like Fuel did for xQc, only to have him suspended then kicked from the league
limber pine
^^
pearl stratus
None of his heroes are meta and he's been out of the pro-scene for 16+ months.
zenith badge
My mistake
pearl stratus
No worries.
clear crane
He did add his Pepe memes which are not allowed in OW
pearl stratus
His fans hype him up so much you just assume he'd be starting.
zenith badge
Yay people can correct me and I acknowledged it, if only the rest of the internet operated this way 😄
pearl stratus
But he was set up to be Nlaaeeers bench replacement for certain maps, most likely a Pine-esque situation.
zenith badge
I still think having him on any team is a liability though, at least he was going to be a bench player
that way he couldn't single handedly destroy a team like xQc
zenith badge
Yes, but they did build to an extent around xQc and it completely screwed them when he was suspended so early on
Which sucks, I LOVE watching him play, but the moment I hear him speak I want to punch him
clear crane
Did they really build around him
I feel like they were trying their old envyus tactics
zenith badge
I felt they did
pearl stratus
I think they were more built around Effect, but needed an aggressive main tank.
Since Cocco was never an aggressive player.
zenith badge
Fair point
clear crane
Yea I was thinking effect
pearl stratus
To make Effect the strongest available they needed a stronger dive.
And if you ever saw Cocco on Winston it was..
Painful.
clear crane
with xqc being upgrade over cocco
pearl stratus
Like really painful.
zenith badge
I will say this, I think the harassment of xQc didn't help either
Monte and Doa bit was BS
funny, but doing that so early on in the leagues development was rough to watch
pearl stratus
It wasn't super professional, but at the time it always wasn't wrong.
I think xQc's primary failing was his stream.
Because he felt the need to upkeep it and respond to everything in it.
He's a byproduct of not actually controlling his stream.
clear crane
His fans r the worst
zenith badge
Even at Blizzcon, I was on the floor 5 ft from him watching them give his stuff back and you could see he was tired of their shit
pearl stratus
His stream controls him more often than not.
zenith badge
@clear crane His fans are trash
Like the epitome of human garbage that ruins every bit of the internet
pearl stratus
His vocal fans -being the caveat.
I'm sure 80% of his fans are normal people who don't actually say anything.
zenith badge
Good point
karmic grotto
@clear crane good reasons man. I think that dude who found it out
Uninstalling OW to go USA
Install it there again
ruby pendant
Are the OW streamers really that good to build a whole team around them? Never watched XQC, and the others. Only got to know of them when they played in OWL.
karmic grotto
Will he bring his gear or will he buy new one?
clear crane
Ehhh I think he was being overly optimistic that it’s jebait haha
pearl stratus
@ruby pendant No.
the only exception has been Jjonak.
Streamers are ladder players, typically.
And ladder isn't real.
It's not competitive, its not important.
With the only exception having been Jjonak.
pearl stratus
However xQc has had a pro career outside of his stream.
So you could have made a case for him.
zenith badge
The reason I dont think Dafran is faking this is because the pepe's
clear crane
Yup
zenith badge
OWL has a zero tolerance for that
clear crane
Pepe is illegal in Overwatch haha
zenith badge
Everything else the team could be on board with
but that, OWL would kick him themselves
I still don't get the Pepe thing
pearl stratus
Appropriation, sadly.
zenith badge
I'm "Mr. Politically Correct" when I can be, but that shit is ridiculous
pearl stratus
Intended use doesn't matter when picked up by different people.
Part of Pepes appropriation, despite its intended use, is being picked up by the alt rate and a few hate groups. It's stupid, its mostly unknown.
clear crane
Yup
pearl stratus
But for publicity to try and procure viewer for not gamers it's smart to stop it.
pearl stratus
Because non-gamers are more likely to know about it from the alt-right use.
clear crane
U wanna shy away from any affiliation
pearl stratus
And not the meme one.
So you have to think big picture audience for some of the decisions.
Not just the gamers.
zenith badge
Oh that's right
I completely forgot that for a week the alt right was using pepe
And I get it, this is a business, I just had forgotten why they banned it
I completely forgot that was a thing because of how short lived it was
pearl stratus
Yeah, but for a non-gaming audience thats probably their only exposure to it.
So while its a bit silly, it makes sense in a big picture decision making process.
zenith badge
Yup
green stump
@zenith badge not so much that but they wanted to avoid bringing that issue into overwatch.
It's not the meme, it's the people around it... Last thing you need is people from the political crazyland coming in saying overwatch allows racists cause they let pepe memes in the chat
karmic grotto
^
zenith badge
Counter Argument... OWL has allowed racists and biggots to stay
I get that gamer culture its accepted to call someone a fag or anything in between
But Taimou got off light compared to xQc
warped axle
Dafran might just be having a manic episode come to think of it
I'm pretty sure the dood is bipolar
pearl stratus
xQc had his pre-season ban too, with its base fine.
zenith badge
@warped axle this is why every team should be required to have a shrink and the players meet once a week
pearl stratus
So from a punishment point of view it was a logical progression.
green stump
@zenith badge OWL allows people into their game... People, not labels, it's only when you are in violation of a crime that you are punished for it..
warped axle
And he was really being serious, why would he bother deleting the vod?
pearl stratus
Also it compounds because it was "inter-office".
You get in more trouble calling a coworker something, than a random dude on the street.
And thats essentially what happened.
Not saying it makes the situation better.
zenith badge
I've felt that they haven't treated everyone equally
pearl stratus
But from a punishment point of view thats how I look at it.
I think they've overall been fair, a lot of it is the teams additional punishments.
Not Blizzards.
green stump
@zenith badge you must keep in mind that this escalated more not because of xqc but because his fans wanted blood
pearl stratus
People forget that xQc's second suspension wasn't from Blizzard.
He just got fined.
warped axle
The tweet, the random adding of pepe emotes back, deleting the vod, it all seems very irrational which makes me think he just needs a day to compose
zenith badge
Oh I know
pearl stratus
Same with Eqo.
He got fined in line with the first level offense.
It was Philly that suspended him for a long time, and fined him an extra what.. 6k?
And took away his streaming privs for 3 months.
green stump
@pearl stratus not to change the subject, but what's your opinion on season 2 looking right now?
I think that owl needs to take a lesson from owwc and let the players trash each other
warped axle
I still find it hard to believe that EQO somehow didn't think doing that wouldn't piss people off lmao
pearl stratus
I think the trash talking has found its place now.
Note they don't care about the tactical crouching etc.
And the little jabs back and forth feel more.
Professional?
I think thats the best way to explain it
green stump
Yup yup and it made things more..I guess exciting?
pearl stratus
They've managed to get trash talk without it going overboard.
karmic grotto
@green stump trashing, but not a major insult. Some little interaction to make things funny needs to be there
😃
pearl stratus
Also it helps when they push narratives like Aero for OWWC.
green stump
I think defran will help with this
pearl stratus
"Aero, go be a cocky bad guy."
If Dafran is still in.
You should check news on him.
pearl stratus
Because he deleted everthing to do with Atlanta, reinstated all his pepe emotes, and uninstalled OW 😛
clear crane
He’ll prob stay in Toronto
pearl stratus
And tweeted that contract was cancelled.
clear crane
No way he starts over gamesu
pearl stratus
Boston has 3 main tanks.
warped axle
That tweet was so vague though
green stump
@pearl stratus why..
pearl stratus
Gamsu, Axxiom, and Fusions.
@green stump Because he's a moron?
I dunno.
Dafran and Throwing at anything, name a more iconic duo.
clear crane
Atlanta has a pretty solid team
green stump
Did he publically do anything stupid... Don't tell me I need to wait for the mykl video
clear crane
Don’t think it’s top tier but it’s solid
pearl stratus
He was soft throwing again.
That was about it.
But he always throws on ladder.
So thats not really... out of the ordinary.
Either way we need confirmation from someone in Atlanta/Blizz.
karmic grotto
You know
warped axle
If that Atlanta roster video goes down then it's probably true
karmic grotto
I have been thinking yesterday watching his stream why he was playing weird
Realized he was soft throwing because I knew he would kill the enemy if he wanted to
clear crane
I wonder what the comments of that video is like now
warped axle
I'm in Dafran's Twitch chat waiting to see if he says anything
clear crane
Lol I like their latest comment about wanting to be verified
And Toronto Defiant replies saying they already got the checkmark
Oh he slice?
Live**
warped axle
No but I'm pretty sure he has his chat open anyway
People are still posting in there
karmic grotto
And they all fall for his trap
pearl stratus
Side tangent but I'm super excited to go home and play Blackout after last nights update - 9 bangs were removed from the game mode entirely.
clear crane
I bought every cod game but prob won’t get this one haha
Not into battle royale style
zenith badge
I'm with you @clear crane I can't stand BR games
warped axle
I don't really care about his personality too much
But that tracking
My god he's like a machine
zenith badge
Yup
Amazing to watch play
but this goes back to justbecause you are an amazing player, does not mean you play well on an organized team
limber pine
You hate him...now?
him (potentially) quitting isn't even like top 10 on the list of worst things he's done
That's an interesting priority list
green stump
@limber pine what did defran do now? Did he get cold feet
pearl stratus
"I don't care about things that make people quit. Just the quitting itself"
Love that cyclical stupidity logic.
balmy wolf
Twitter
(i assume its been posted already)
his editor went on a rant about being let go
i think its real lads
limber pine
does he really need an editor if he's in OWL
karmic grotto
That's a weird to say he's quitting
karmic grotto
Honestly, a normal person won't say it the way he said it
pearl stratus
Having an editor might help!
Thats pretty standard for Dafran speak.
He's mentioned going back to McDonalds a half dozen times or more.
karmic grotto
Who the heck is gonna work in mcdonalds his whole life
green stump
So he could just be trolling everyone
karmic grotto
mcdonalds is a troll work
limber pine
My #twocents is that he was told he'd be suspended for a stage and he flipped
pearl stratus
Not unlikely.
green stump
Most likely to get his fans to get rilled up
limber pine
I think anything with Dafran is likely
balmy wolf
He is fishing for attention
green stump
Lol
balmy wolf
He is a great player. But in a team he wants to be the star.
clear crane
Wait dafran has an editor?
balmy wolf
Hahahahaha
green stump
@pearl stratus bravo, I think xqcs fans missed the first 5 steps and can't count past 6 so they think it's only 6 stages and refused to let anyone go any farther than them
karmic grotto
But nothing is officially announced, right?
limber pine
if you don't take Dafran's tweet as official
balmy wolf
XQC and Dafran both are players with great skills but mental insecurities
balmy wolf
Like us al Hahahaha
karmic grotto
Any that plays OW
pearl stratus
Actually thats Step 1 and 2.
pearl stratus
Hope and Anxiety.
karmic grotto
like us
balmy wolf
dafran probably lost to a brig as soldier in a 1v1 and got tilted off the planet lmao
Goats sucks
pearl stratus
Just to set this straight: Dafran was a bench player for Atlanta, nothing more.
I don't know why people thought otherwise.
balmy wolf
Only big lose is seagull
pearl stratus
But you were wrong.
gilded peak
Wait what? He quit before he even tried it?
clear crane
nyxl were no names?
pearl stratus
It's an idiot.
Just ignore it at this point.
It'll stop the conversation either way.
karmic grotto
I Wish I could be there since the start
gilded peak
Sad if true that he quit, only because I wanted to see him get destroyed so fans would stfu.
balmy wolf
Seagull is actually a super positive guy
green stump
@pearl stratus the fact that people only watch owl so they can troll chat for their favorite streamer... Instead of the professionals..... That's kinda depressing
balmy wolf
Prefer watching him over all the cursing toxic players
green stump
@gilded peak even if defran got his ass kicked, his fans would blame his team, just like what they did with xqc on fuel
pearl stratus
Effects cursing is more...
Reaction than toxicity thoug
*though
It's not quite the same.
If that makes sense.
green stump
@pearl stratus it's real and less of an act you mean
I dunno about you, but the goats vs goats of SK vs uk was one of the most exciting have of overwatch I've ever seen
Seriously.. That match was the best part of the world cup... So many uk fans after that lol
Welcome to any sports game
That stuff happens everywhere in any competitive game period
.. No
Lol what are you talking about
gilded peak
Honestly, I didn't enjoy the Goats for UK vs SK, only because it was all about the Rein play. Whoever gets the hammer down they win.
pearl stratus
The Hammer Down is a 3 player thing though.
green stump
@balmy wolf lol I need to know, can you explain why goats is used? Like.. Hoe does it work
pearl stratus
Which is what most people don't understand.
round obsidian
pearl stratus
Shatters in Goats is a 3 person play, every time.
round obsidian
that was fast
green stump
@round obsidian people think he's trolling so we will see
round obsidian
he is the king of jebaits
gilded peak
Gotta wait til Atlanta makes an official statement
green stump
Doesn't matter really
pearl stratus
They can replace him with anyone from Contenders and be fine.
He wasn't a starter.
green stump
Lol fusions proved that much lol
round obsidian
they dont want to be fine
round obsidian
Dafran is to ATL what Geguri is to SHD
green stump
Apparently a bunch of contenders players was better than owl starters
pearl stratus
No. Geguri actually played.
round obsidian
im talking value wise
green stump
@pearl stratus she did pretty good too
gilded peak
Geguri is actually good bruh
sour marlin
Why would dafran not play?
pearl stratus
Not saying she wasn't.
round obsidian
she really isnt
gilded peak
She proved herself in SHD for a team that sucks
round obsidian
she's decent but she's not good
green stump
But there's not much you can do when your team can't talk to talk to each other @round obsidian
pearl stratus
But Dafran was a bench player, brought on to be a bench player.
round obsidian
she's not even in the top 50% of off tanks in OWL
pearl stratus
It doesn't hurt Atlantas season.
round obsidian
you cant predict anything about ATL's season
pearl stratus
They'll lose some fans, but hey
round obsidian
nothing has been played yet
green stump
The fact she even did that much when no one on the team was allowed to talk to each other . She did damn well
pearl stratus
Do you actually want Dafran fans?
round obsidian
they wont lose some fans
gilded peak
She's not in the top 50% on the off tank because she was in a bad team...
pearl stratus
Didn't help Dallas to lose xQc's fans.
round obsidian
they'll lose a LARGE chunk of fans
pearl stratus
Helped them more.
sour marlin
I think of nlaaer more just as a widow specialist
round obsidian
he is a widow specialist
green stump
@gilded peak it was so bad that apparently, they weren't allowed to talk to each other except in Chinese or English
pearl stratus
Nlaaer actually has useful experience, 98% chance of him being the starter.
Dafran hadn't played professionally in over 16 months since you know.
He got suspended from Contenders.
Like a moron.
round obsidian
@gilded peak no, her individual ability is not good enough to get her into the top 50% of off tanks in OWL
she's nowhere near as good as the top off tanks
clear crane
Well Atlanta only has 2 dps now anyways
round obsidian
her team is not to blame
gilded peak
Wait, really? That's actually horrible..
round obsidian
yes
clear crane
? If ur team is 0-40, ur stats take a hit lol
green stump
@round obsidian off tanks are the supports of tanks... How well could you do as an offtank if you can't communicate at all with your team
balmy wolf
I'm lovin it
pearl stratus
I mean most of us play ladder.
So we don't communicate anyway.
Since we're potatoes.
round obsidian
communication and a bad team does not fully compensate for her lack of skill
green stump
@pearl stratus yeah, but in a pro scene? That's gotta be the worst
sour marlin
ATL now only has 7 players, right?
green stump
@round obsidian that's how off tanks work man.. If your Mt is aweful or your can't communicate with them, you look like shit as well
balmy wolf
Also from scrim experience, Geguri is genuinely in the top tier of off tank players.
In OWL as well
green stump
Indeed...
clear crane
Yup, kodak, massa, popko, Duco, Gator, nlaeer, and erster
gilded peak
So kinda curious since you are going based all on records. How is Fleta's score?
Where are you actually finding these stats? Because I'm actually interested to see it.
clear crane
I’m surprised Gator is on a team
green stump
But if your Mt speaks Korean and you speak Chinese, and you have to talk in English.. That's a disaster
balmy wolf
She is by fair in every way shape or form almost perfect in her decision making and game awareness. Not so much aim but everything else makes up for it.
pearl stratus
The problem is Decision Making and Awareness drop when you can't communicate with your support line.
Since typically your support (especially your Zen, back in dive) called a lot because of their viewpoint.
balmy wolf
I mean there's not that much to call as Zen
pearl stratus
So when you're at an impasse everyone suffers.
green stump
@pearl stratus yuuup, put her with people she can talk to actually an I bet you she'll pick up fast
balmy wolf
If you're zen you should be calling
- Who's discorded
- For help
- Trans
green stump
It's not even like Shanghai were bad players, they just had a horrible coaching line
pearl stratus
I've noticed a trend amongst the OW teams is support tends to be ult trackers too.
green stump
And manager
clear crane
Jjonak doesn’t need to call for help haha
gilded peak
Are supports also shotcallers?
balmy wolf
oh yeah shanghai had good players (minus main tank) but the initial barrier of language and the coaching are bad
yeah, Main Heals always shotcall
balmy wolf
The only roles that should be shot calling is Main Tank and Main Heals
pearl stratus
Unless you have big brain in another position.
balmy wolf
MH = Lucio/Mercy
MT = Winston/Rein/Orisa/sometimes Hammond
gilded peak
I imagine it would be hard to shot call as a DPS
clear crane
I know Jehong doesn’t shot call
green stump
@balmy wolf btw, people still panicking over the contenders changes?
balmy wolf
nah
clear crane
It was xepher and miro
balmy wolf
the 3rd party announcements settled them down
green stump
Finally..
gilded peak
Miro shotcalling screwed them.
balmy wolf
also in general the less aim your role/hero requires, the more you should be shot calling/ult tracking
pearl stratus
Gido did too, and they brought in the other support guy for his calling.
... What the hell was his name.
The Mercy person.
balmy wolf
so jake on junk would shotcall often
gilded peak
Esca was the mastermind behind the shotcalling back then.
clear crane
Yea xepher
balmy wolf
he does this in ranked too
pearl stratus
Was.
gilded peak
Actually, curious but whatever happened to Tobi?
pearl stratus
I'm glad that Sky at least got a redemption arc in the OWWC.
Because Team China Sky and Shanghai Sky are two very different supports.
gilded peak
He is, but I don't think I saw him play at all? Unless I am wrong on that
pearl stratus
Tobi was released.
balmy wolf
he's a damn good lucio, it certainly wasnt for his gameplay
pearl stratus
Or was going to be, I think.
balmy wolf
unless it was announced
pearl stratus
There were rumors flying around about him going to DC at some points too.
balmy wolf
i learned lucio from tobi
my boy better still be there
also if anyone cares about the college series for overwatch
pearl stratus
I was picking up Lucio stuff from Yveltal this OWWC.
balmy wolf
our team is now #17
pearl stratus
Since he played the most of it.
pearl stratus
And his map sense is god damn near perfect.
balmy wolf
gunnin for #9 for that schol money
clear crane
They need Tobi there to recruit Whoru next year lol
gilded peak
I miss the Lunatic Hai days 😦
pearl stratus
WhoRu is closer to RHJ imo.
gilded peak
Whoru was a beast
pearl stratus
As long as they keep RHJ they've got a recruiting magnet.
balmy wolf
bring back 2016 SK world cup roster
pearl stratus
RHJ and Whoru duo queued last week I think it was.
karmic grotto
Who is Whoru
green stump
@karmic grotto scary
pearl stratus
Who Shadowburn wishes he was.
gilded peak
He was the main DPS for Lunatic Hai. His Genji was top level.
green stump
Whoru is one of those kind of players you build to fight against
karmic grotto
Was?
gilded peak
Was, because Lunatic Hai was disbanded and went to Philly Fusion Academy
green stump
Lol there a video of him solo diving as genji into dive and he wins
pearl stratus
Just google him
clear crane
Don’t think rjh will ever leave Seoul lol
pearl stratus
You'll find highlight reels left and right.
gilded peak
You can watch Apex Season 2 of his games, or Seoul Cup when Korea did a reverse Sweep
green stump
The guy is a monster
clear crane
Surprised he didn’t get announced for the Seoul academy
gilded peak
Is there a Seoul Academy??
balmy wolf
yeah
green stump
He makes when that one genji player who every one thinks cheats look like akm
gilded peak
I didn't know O.o
balmy wolf
its not really... good
green stump
Speaking of akm
balmy wolf
theres an academy team for every OWL team
gilded peak
Ah, lol well that explains
balmy wolf
only 3 are actually worthy of scrimming against lmao
green stump
Is akm now the biggest joke now of the pros?
gilded peak
Curiuos, is Flow3r going to finally play?
pearl stratus
I think playing for Fusion Univ. was a smarter move for him.
balmy wolf
XL2, Hurricane, and NRG
clear crane
Not every. Just most
pearl stratus
Because it got him in the US quicker.
And he works on language skills before OWL S2.
clear crane
I don’t think akm is a joke anymore lol
gilded peak
But WHORU still has to wait like 2 more years before he can do OWL?
pearl stratus
Well 3 for him
clear crane
He can join season 3
pearl stratus
I think Fl0w3r will play, but eh.
I don't think he's going to be a starter.
Not over Libero at least.
karmic grotto
I hope Whoru can play, wanna see that
pearl stratus
I think he'll rotate into the SBB/Pine rotation.
balmy wolf
as of right now i am comfortable with saying AKM is either the best or second best soldier of all time in OW
gilded peak
Not over Libero but definitely over Pine
karmic grotto
First person view
balmy wolf
its a toss up with dafran
clear crane
U start Libero and flower
pearl stratus
It'll depend on meta.
clear crane
And sbb is ur Tracer specialist now
gilded peak
Oh yeah I forgot about SBB
pearl stratus
People don't realize how much Flower has declined due to his injuries.
pearl stratus
There's a reason his contenders team basically benched him.
gilded peak
Flower is always injured bruh, honestly every time I hear his wrist injury he always pull something crazy
pearl stratus
Nenne made sense since Nenne was in SK.
So his latency was bad.
Flower was in the US.
gilded peak
But he really needs to take care of himself
pearl stratus
It's wrist and fingers.
He aims a completely different way now to combat it.
And his safer aiming plateau'd him pretty hard.
In my opinion.
clear crane
Nah wasn’t the injury. It was the name change
clear crane
Gonna be NanoFlower next
pearl stratus
It's hard to tell, but it seems so Times.
His presence on XL2 wasn't stellar.
From the few games I watched.
gilded peak
Honestly though, a DPS can shine when the team can support him
pearl stratus
I mean XL2 was solid though, its not like he was on a bad contenders team.
clear crane
Seoul’s main issue was main tank
gilded peak
Was it? Because they got destroyed in the finals. So it made me think otherwise
clear crane
Let’s see how much they improve
gilded peak
Seoul had couple issues in my opinion
pearl stratus
Fusion Uni is pretty stacked.
clear crane
FU is pretty pogs lol
gilded peak
What is POGS? Kinda hear that everywhere lol
clear crane
It has a buncha different meanings
I use it as a term of oh shit that’s pretty good
It’s funny how the spitfire academy team is like all British
But none will ever get called up to spitfire
Well it was all British now it’s just all EU
balmy wolf
so when someone gets a lot of people in an earthshatter, twitch chat will usually spam "POGGERS" or "POGS" or "POGCHAMP"
its usually what people say when something really cool happens
man that sent out of order
gilded peak
Ah I see, thanks
balmy wolf
cheers
theres a few
is the POGS
is dans or dansgame, when something disgusting is there
is when something REALLY good happens (gachi gasm/bass)
is the bass
the rest are self explanatory
gilded peak
O.o
pearl stratus
@clear crane I'm okay with that, because they didn't block anyone. So two of their players still moved up to OWL
gilded peak
How many teams got screwed over the new policy for Contenders?
pearl stratus
It's a balance, because some teams will get screwed over but just as many players will be enabled.
clear crane
Yea they most likely are just gonna sell those players to other teams
It’s crazy to think how London had 2 of the top 5 main tanks
gilded peak
Is there a link where it shows where each of the OWL players ranked in?
clear crane
https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/stats this what ur looking for?
It’s not that great. U can’t filter for specific role
gilded peak
Hmm, yeah something like that but yeah you can't really filter too well on this
Thanks though
jagged crater
Does that API work yet?
solemn elm
what in the hell happened in these 10 days lmao
jagged crater
Pls be a jebait
solemn elm
he added all his pepe emotes back, contract wouldn't let him do that presumably
so not a great sign
jagged crater
Biggest disappointment if tru
solemn elm
Signs contract, plays some weeks, Uninstalls and cancels contract, lol
kinda childish tbh
I understand burnout but like
wtf is this lol
limber pine
bipolar
jagged crater
Xqc would at least go for 2 months in OWL
Playing seriously
Dafran not even 2 weeks before season even started
solemn elm
stole this from reddit:
"Pretty unprofessional move if this is legit. Just tanked his future esports career (if he wants it) cause no team is gonna wanna touch that unpredictability"
couldn't agree more
modest elbow
@balmy wolf
jagged crater
im just super bummed that we cant even see dafran on LAN
worn falcon
#throwfordafran all over again
jagged crater
xqc at least has been on LAN, he's been with team Canada and did a good job
recently, showing no signs of crazy throws or anythin
dafran, iunno might be the LAN jitters?
balmy wolf
@modest elbow yes
sweet ibex
Explaining Twitch Emotes without knowing what they mean FeelsWeirdMan
limber pine
Explaining Twitch emotes
polar topaz
twitch emotes 
molten skiff
sweet ibex
Dafran is reformed Kapp
little holly
He's obviously lying. The guy has enough popularity, don't see why he needs to create drama.
pearl stratus
True, person that popular.
It'd be like throwing in Contenders and getting suspended.
gilded peak
Can't wait for him to do that in OWL
pearl stratus
Or getting a ban and losing Community Lead.
Why would a person create drama like that.
limber pine
mental issues
jagged crater
did we get confirmed jebat yet
limber pine
nada
pearl stratus
Got that Mykl Video already thouth
gilded peak
So until Atlanta Reigns makes an announcement, its fake.
limber pine
it shocks me how quickly mykL can make a video about nothing
gilded peak
That dude just fishes for views.
pearl stratus
I mean he did have like 10-15 games of Dafran throwing yesterday
The Mercy play alone was enough to get him banned for 4-8 games at the start of the season
gilded peak
It's not gonna really mean anything until AR says something
pearl stratus
I mean the throwing will.
gilded peak
Because he just basically breached the contract, so they are gonna probably do something.
pearl stratus
Because even if its a jebait he'll probably still get suspended.
It was hard throwing. Not even soft throwing.
It was "Let me get suspended from contenders for a year" throwing.
The videos worthwhile just for those game clips.
gilded peak
Long story short, check his latest twitter.
sweet ibex
Yikes
sweet ibex
Is he having some kind of panic attack
gilded peak
I rather not check the video only because I don't like MYKL
gilded peak
No clue honestly, but I rather wait for the official announcement.
balmy wolf
not enough info to say exactly what happened to him
pearl stratus
I mean I don't like mykL either but he says that he's not confirming anything about his contract etc, just gut feeling. So I'll give him that.
And the video is pretty damning.
Watching him follow around tanks at 5-10% HP just damage boosting and potato'ing around.
It's hard throwing.
gilded peak
gut feeling... at this point he is pretty bad like Stylosa where they just make a video 10 min long for a 10 sec information.
pearl stratus
Yeah but people need to chill. Dafrans dick isn't like a danish butter cookie tin.
He fucks up more than he does well.
gilded peak
Just wait at this point, if no official announcement is made by the end of the day or week. Then its all fakenews
limber pine
It's likely both Blizz and ATL already know
about the throwing
announcement likely by the end of the day
pearl stratus
Plus Atlanta's Twitter isn't even verified yet, so I'm pretty sure they're not using it fully.
Most of the new expansion teams are waiting for the checkmark
green stump
Now let's see how many of his followers he keeps
pearl stratus
The good player thing isn't even confirmed.
We can infer with his tracking he'd do.. okay?
But he hasn't played pro in a long time.
And Ladder is potato.
gilded peak
Pro and Stream/Ladder is completely different
green stump
@pearl stratus the thing though is he believes his fans will stay with him
pearl stratus
They won't.
His fans were even saying he's nothing without OWL in the stream last night.
gilded peak
I remember there was a the top 6 in a team against a B tier pro team and the B tier pro team destroyed the top 6 ladder
little holly
He's a really good player, I think if he sweated he could get rank 1 through solo queue.
pearl stratus
Rank 1 doesn't matter
It's ladder.
Ladder is pointless af.
The gap from Ladder to real players right now is so huge, exception being Jjonak.
green stump
@pearl stratus he can't enjoy anything because he's never been allowed to
The defran personality has been in control too long
green stump
I agree
green stump
No joke, I agree with you
pearl stratus
And I'm not talking about just OWL.
From Contenders to Community Lead, etc
He fucks up every chance he gets at something.
And personality wise his stream won't survive without OW.
He's not like Seagull who can at least be entertaining playing variety stuff.
And even then Seagull still maintains like 70% OW.
30% Variety.
green stump
@pearl stratus you know what the wake up call will be? If he stops and all his fans leave, just to prove to everyone what happens when your build your community like that
These people aren't dunkey
pearl stratus
When he's actually back to flipping burgers, yeah.
green stump
The sad truth is that he may be some, but he's a one trick in his own personality. He's the same thing every time and then when that come crashing down on him, it's a very harah wake up call
Being an asshole forever doesn't make you memorable
Nor is it good for you
pearl stratus
I mean he's not completely retarded, he did delete the vod from yesterdays stream (not soon enough though, its still out there)
little silo
i guess he cant seperate dafran and daniel francesca anymore
green stump
@pearl stratus but was that cause he changed his mind, or realized that He's losing his fans cause if it
@little silo many gaming personalities can't. That's what makes them money
little silo
exactly
pearl stratus
Also, just to be kind of mean.
He doesn't even have a good enough sub number to completely be like that.
green stump
But the truth hits hard when you realize that your fans look at your as a source of entertainment and NOT respect
little holly
All he does is throw, throw, throw, throw, throw, throw, throw, throw and fucking throw
little silo
why would he think that people watch him bc they respect him?
green stump
Many streamers think that
little silo
i mean hes good but mainly just doing random shit
green stump
They believe that because their fans defend him, that means they respect him
It's like how people think xqcs was scammed out of mvp. But even XQC knows that if he accepted that rewards despite his performance being sub par, that would just prove that his fans dont respect him, they just want him to win to say fuck you to blizzard
limber pine
people will plug their ears and believe what they want to believe
little silo
i mean community vote isnt everything
still think some other than jonak should have gotten it tho
green stump
Let's be honest....XD NA it's a horrible judge of character and skill for players
little silo
even jonak seemed confused
limber pine
If people paid attention, then Fury would have gotten MVP
gilded peak
Would you rather have XQC win the vote rather than Jjonak?
little silo
no my candidate would be fusions
gilded peak
In my opinion, MVP should only go towards winners.
little silo
why
green stump
I think the performance from UK was amazing though, they really really showed just how much you can improve
pearl stratus
Fury, Guxue, Leave, Fusions and Anamo in my opinion all could have been candidates.
little silo
yeah uk really surprised me
pearl stratus
Anamo's game sense is so good.
green stump
@pearl stratus 100% agree
pearl stratus
Look at the wall ride box jump to avoid shatter.
little silo
guxue was amazing yes
did you see the stun shatter block on kings row against china
that was fucking insane
clear crane
The one with Carpe and Fleta?
little silo
yeah
clear crane
And jjonak calmly trans in the back
pearl stratus
I mean people still think Goats is about Reinhardt.
little silo
anamo probably called it and then speed boosted to get them into position
gilded peak
@little silo The reason I think MVP should go to winners is because for example: On the World Cup 2014. When Germany won the world cup against Argentina. Why did they give Messi (The Argentina Player) the MVP award? That was just a fan voting thing and did not deserve it. The MVP should have gone to Germany who won.
green stump
@pearl stratus XD to be fair....uk made me look at goats so much deeper
pearl stratus
Look at peoples reaction to Muma vs. Fusions when Muma and Fusions are the least important part of the play making.
little silo
goatsheart and soul is the brig
green stump
Fusions had some amazing game sense
little silo
that example doesnt explain anything
gilded peak
MVP should be given to champions who deserved it.
pearl stratus
He did, but he had the better Zarya/Brig which is why the shatters worked.
little silo
stand out players should get their recognition
green stump
@pearl stratus is it? It looked more like uk just took more risks
They were willing to go beyond and take risks
little silo
argentinas football team got solo carried by messi all the time
pearl stratus
Muma had little back up from his Brig and Sinatraa spent more time trying to Zarya flank than shatter block.
green stump
If it wasn't for that one Lucio play, uk might have taken bronze
gilded peak
Messi didn't do shit in 2014. and why did he get it? Only deserving players should get it like you mentioned. But winners are more deserving in my opinion.
green stump
Well... That's Sinatra being him..
gilded peak
I mean, thats what I think about MVP awards. I understand that it can be different views for how MVP should be awarded.
little silo
didnt do shit?
gilded peak
Actually, curious about the 3rd place award. What happened to UK at game 5? Like UK vs Canada was a close game but game 5 Canada just rolled through them.
pearl stratus
Goat Comp switch up.
Canada used Chinas version of Goats (which is whats being played in Korean Contender right now)
Which does very different things compared to standard goats.
little silo
did they play winston goats?
pearl stratus
Yeah
pearl stratus
Winston Goats at the end of the day is a lot more flexible.
green stump
I think they call it doats
little silo
i call it floats
gilded peak
He honestly didn't do much in my opinion.
Ah, so that little change up is what made them win Game 5 then
vestal mortar
Dafran quit already?! 
little silo
we should just wait this one out but this announcement is a dumb move
vestal mortar
He added his pepe emotes back to his twitch channel
little silo
career killer dumb
limber pine
he knows what he's doing
he's either been told what will happen if he messes up again or assumes it to be true
and since he was announced by ATL, I assume Blizzard put things in place for him to stay in the league
pearl stratus
He also spent 3-4 hours last night hard throwing, so he knows that will come back to bite him in the ass.
karmic grotto
It
is not as if others don't throw
You never know, but most is obvious
Or rather, it seems like throwing but they don't know what to do with the heroes itself
Was he throwing? Or did he just wanted to play other heroes too
limber pine
if you watch the clips it's fairly obvious
karmic grotto
Yes, that I believe. That leads to my main question: instead of throwing, why didn't he stopped the stream (and uninstalled Overwatch before thousands of viewers?)
limber pine
Because he knows
he knows what he does will get him kicked out or suspended
that's what he wants
karmic grotto
If that all is true, then my view of him is negative. That behaviour is weird and unfitting
Right now, I'll stay neutral, open for what will happen these days
vestal mortar
Yeah he has done this exact kind of thing on a number of occasions before so he is aware of the consequences.
karmic grotto
slow walrus
Dafran's an idiot imo
vestal mortar
Which is one of the reasons I was super shocked he was signed right away to an OWL team, I had hoped he would start off in contenders on a good academy team and show he can stick to routine practice and pro play and balance his stream.
karmic grotto
Should a video game even be played seriously?
clear crane
Depends
karmic grotto
Every game you play is serious or not
clear crane
If ur in esports yea
karmic grotto
You will always do your best
clear crane
If ur not den nah casual it is
vestal mortar
He did for a while on Selfless, no?
clear crane
He threw on selfless
vestal mortar
I thought he took it seriously until that time he bladed in spawn
slow walrus
if you're good enough to be able to make consistent money playing a video game
then
you should be able to treat it seriously enough to do so
wasted opportunity otherwise
clear crane
Top 3 teams season 2 imo r gonna be London, New York, and Seoul
I wuda put Valiant over Seoul but they lost my fav player 😭😭
balmy wolf
fuck dafran wuit?
olive kelp
RIP Dafran...
vestal mortar
Please don't cry in #esports-discussion
olive kelp
This is so not epic.
pearl stratus
I mean.
WIth all due respect.
This is like a domestic violence victim who is confused that they got hit again when they stayed.
He doesn't care about you, he doesn't love you. He'll do it again!
😛
(tongue in cheek hyperbole completely meant to over exaggerate the situation)
On the positive side:
Twitter
MORE REVEALS.
jagged crater
did we get jebaited yet
ancient oasis
Effect playing Ashe like a god
jagged crater
good widow players are provin to be nutty on ashe
ie surefour showed some insane ashe play too
pls tell me we got jebaited
ancient oasis
Coach gun and grenade plays are insane
jagged crater
dafran just meming on nrg contract
pearl stratus
Sky is taking a break from pro-OW cause he feels like it was his fault they lost to SK
Poor Sky.
green stump
@pearl stratus it's respectable though
pearl stratus
Eh. I don't think anything was his fault overly though. He was honestly one of the strongest looking supports over the entire OWWC.
He's taking the game a bit too personally.
green stump
Most do in the East, it's taken more serious there
limber pine
Probably not
vagrant niche
so he quit? where is atlanta saying this then?
limber pine
But nothing from blizz or ATL
jagged crater
no confirmation yet, still could be a jebait
hidden osprey
Has to be a jebait surely
jagged crater
how many older pros that have been in the biggest tournaments of 2016 are in OWL today?
DADDY DEBETT
sullen berry
In case of Season 2 burnout with Effect
gilded peak
I'm curious but who is the oldest OWL player?
clear crane
I think CoolMatt
marble quest
Jehong is like 27 if I remember correctly