you could shut the fuck up
#esports-discussion
sweet ibex
coarse blaze
if you don’t have proof, where everyone in the chat other than me has seen, your lying
sweet ibex
your cockiness is showing
green stump
lol damn...defensive
pearl stratus
I don't expect that he cares or actually believes 90% of what he says because no offense no one is that dumb.
balmy wolf
Oh look, there’s that XQC diplomacy.
coarse blaze
xQc fanboy here 
green stump
more like didnt
coarse blaze
LOL
sweet ibex
this was before he got kicked out
pearl stratus
Already watched a clip where xQc literally says "I did all this stuff wrong"
paper crag
i kinda feel bad for xqc, tbh
pearl stratus
Now says "xQc did nothing wrong."
sweet ibex
how could you say this is what he truly thinks about OWL and his behavior
pearl stratus
I definitely feel bad for xQc.
paper crag
toxic fans, has to live up to their expectations
paper crag
get shat on my others
pearl stratus
His fans are horrible people that prop him up way too much that he tries to appease.
green stump
@paper crag oh hes actually a pretty nice and funny guy, he actually is, but he admits his community makes him act out because well...thats the only thing they like
sweet ibex
he didn't fuck things over on purpose
balmy wolf
Public renouncements often have nothing to do with personal feelings..
sweet ibex
like he wanted to cause some upheaval
pearl stratus
Acting out gets him subs.
paper crag
yeah
pearl stratus
His stream likes to watch him get triggered.
sweet ibex
Oh yeah
balmy wolf
Twitch in a nutshell
paper crag
emongg took the wholesome fan base already
pearl stratus
Hence them spamming 7 for eighteen years.
sweet ibex
and i'm gonna reveal all my feelings
green stump
@paper crag theres a guy in our channel who actually met him, and stated that hes actually great when hes NOT on stream
sweet ibex
everythnig Ithink
sweet ibex
without censor
paper crag
so his niche is already kinda set
sweet ibex
to the people who are in charge of me
balmy wolf
Shroud/Forsen are like the only streamers I know that can act themselves and get following.
sweet ibex
stop sounding so dense
balmy wolf
I loved emongg, then I realized he wasn’t single. 
paper crag
yeah i mean i'm sure a lot of streamers who are known for childish antics are actually normal people in real life
sweet ibex
He's acting like a sad puppy in this video because he's afraid of what Blizzard would do to him
it's normal
green stump
@paper crag no I mean, hes not childish or anything, hes actually a normal funny guy who laughs at his own mistakes, but his stream makes him different
sweet ibex
I wouldn't try to go againsta huge company
pearl stratus
Since you live in a god damn fairy land?
paper crag
something that i think is amazing about emongg is that his chat is so fast but he answers so many questions, so quickly, so effectively
pearl stratus
Like I'd love a Unicorn.
sweet ibex
A fucking fairy land dude
bitter phoenix
xqc fans are good for the future of fastfood
sweet ibex
you're assuming xQc is showing his true feelings in a video that is supposed to be directly to Blizzard
pearl stratus
Nai, you want apixie?
green stump
@pearl stratus you know whats funny? If his community wasnt such a cesspool, I think he would be even MORE popular than he is now
sweet ibex
an apology video
pearl stratus
Champ has the chook up.
bitter phoenix
They will have tons of employees
pearl stratus
I'm just doing what you're doing.
Ignoring all facts and staying stupid shit.
It's perfect.
A+ discussion material.
So, about that unicorn?
sweet ibex
Yet you think a benched and fined player will stand up against Blizzard's shit
pearl stratus
Can you hook me up or what?
sweet ibex
simply trolling
pearl stratus
If it could fart sparkles it'd be a bonus.
green stump
@pearl stratus as much as I do enjoy this though, this isnt really esports disucssion either...we've accepted that Champ is in love with XQC, nothing you say or anyone says will make him think otherwise, so lets go and talk about the world cup or something else...
pearl stratus
I'll probably be unoriginal and name it Buttdiamond.
balmy wolf
Ladies please...
pearl stratus
No.
coarse blaze
yes
pearl stratus
Unless you want your country to just play itself because you acknowledge they can't play against better players.
Thats my view on it at least.
fervent acorn
Why is that question in your mind?
green stump
I mean, look at UK, they made their match against SK one of the best we've ever seen
pearl stratus
If you're not willing to play the best, you acknowledge you'll never be good.
fervent acorn
Who said that ?
green stump
but USA just, acted like complete idiots
pearl stratus
USA prepped only for SK, and got rocked by not SK.
paper crag
I've said this multiple times today and I'll say it again, UK vs SK is the true grand finals in my heart
paper crag
SK clutch defenses today though
both against UK in Rialto, and against China in Gibraltar
balmy wolf
Heres my say. Personally, as an American player, my nation takes things too seriously when it comes to entry in PL. However, keeping in what corporations and programs involved in esports with different regions could potentially explain why each team has the advantage.
green stump
yeah but UK was the only team that made SK sweat and not only sweat, but panick
paper crag
that 0.06m stall lmao
pearl stratus
The actual gap between regions is not as far as people think from a player level.
The catch up at this point is cultural, and organizationally.
Coaching, etc.
paper crag
a split second literally could have decided the game right there
balmy wolf
South Korea does have many esports programs and technically playing video games competitively is praised.
green stump
@balmy wolf from my own sources, the pool of pro players in NA is quite bad, many of the playerbase is spoiled rotten and refuse to get better and yet dont understand why their decisions and behavior gets them blacklisted from teams
pearl stratus
Parents are still parents.
They want better for their kids since an e-sports future is rough
But its embraced more than anywhere else.
paper crag
villainized by regular to conservative old people
ruby pendant
who gonna stake their life on e-sports
pearl stratus
It's just how much thats the problem.
ruby pendant
even in South Korea it's a bit rough
coarse blaze
I was surprised. was not even expecting UK to even make it to quarterfinals. now they’ve gone against SK and even China didn’t come close to SK
paper crag
yeah definitely
balmy wolf
My country doesn't have a good competitive ethic. We rather complain than solve why our practice/schedules suck ass.
pearl stratus
UK had a very big advantage though imo.
green stump
@balmy wolf its very bad in NA, and not because there arent any good players, its just that its like waiting for it to be ripe and that time frame can be very very small. There are players who were watched that had huge potential, but then get corrupted by the NA GM Community and just turn to trash
pearl stratus
No one prepped for them.
paper crag
k-pop and e-sports isn't all glitz and glamour until you make it big
pearl stratus
They were just this unknown.
coarse blaze
UK is seriously underrated before the match with SK
pearl stratus
You could at least prep for china by the finals, you had multiple games to watch.
So you ignore the bronze match and just prep as much as you can.
green stump
@balmy wolf in fact, we have players in THIS VERY CHANNEL who had the ability to go pro, who's behavior and attitude got them kicked out of their trials for T3 teams, and then, instead of reflecting on this, go into this channel to humiliate and insult the playerbase and hate on blizzard, because of their own behavior
pearl stratus
I still want to see a China vs. SK match where China isn't just exhausted.
balmy wolf
NA players are more focused on gaining fans/popularity for teams than further practicing/team chemistry. NA teams have horrible composition.
I've seen this with Siege
and CS
Both games in which, I myself have played competitively.
green stump
and league of legends, and dota
ruby pendant
Endoken, you not taking China's lost well?!
pearl stratus
Nah, its fine. I think China should still be SUPER proud.
balmy wolf
Honestly, playing scrims with NA teams is harmful to myself.
pearl stratus
But when they were interviewing they said China had pulled an all nighter for prep etc.
balmy wolf
I really wish to move to EU for esports some day.
green stump
@pearl stratus but you know, OWL season 2 is look pretty damn good right now, so lets me excited about that sir, we have MUCH to discuss
balmy wolf
Don't know which country though.
pearl stratus
So by the finals I'd say they were awake for like.. 30-36 hours?
I just want to see the match up again when both teams are fresh.
I think it would have been a better game.
paper crag
i mean, that was their decision as to how their time would be used
ruby pendant
wow
balmy wolf
Finals should've been delayed.
It's not fair to have back to back semi-finals then end the tournament on the same day.
pearl stratus
@paper crag Yeah I agree. But they weren't even expected to beat Finland and stuff, not to mention body Canada.
balmy wolf
What happened to practice days like any other esport?
paper crag
yeah
pearl stratus
And reserving just the stage etc.
paper crag
if anything, blizzcon schedule is to blame
pearl stratus
It's why they changed the format for OWL.
pearl stratus
OWL works the way we'd prefer.
But you can't do that when Blizzcon has a set schedule.
paper crag
i feel like cramming in so many games for so many titles is a bit too ambitious
pearl stratus
Out of all the teams though I think Chinas style, without exhaustion, would have made for a great match.
paper crag
and the players have to take the burden
pearl stratus
And I feel a bit robbed of that match
drowsy fulcrum
I like how the 3 most interesting OWWC matches all had Team UK in them
balmy wolf
You know Asian teams... sleep doesn't exist.
paper crag
it's interesting though, Pavane said he'd prefer China's style over other opponents
pearl stratus
In hindsight I bet they wouldn't pull that all nighter.
China's style is interesting.
paper crag
as the opponent for the grand finals
pearl stratus
Fate was also one of the only tanks who could keep up with Guxue.
And that played a huge part.
Fragi? Nope. xQc? Not even close.
balmy wolf
I loved how they cooperated. If a plan failed, they skipped doing it again. They kept moving on to what worked, in a coordinated way.
paper crag
maybe what separated other countries and SK was that other countries are caught off guard when China keeps fighting while outnumbered, while SK doesn't let its guard down
pearl stratus
Yeah. NYXL historically was the same way.
paper crag
and just take the fight for what it is, a fight where they have the numbers advantage
balmy wolf
It would be nice to see other nations in finals for once though.
pearl stratus
NYXL had like 60% win record for fights where they lost a person first.
pearl stratus
So it was two very tenacity based teams.
balmy wolf
You get me?
paper crag
we saw time and time again where China kept committing then got wiped
pearl stratus
I think that was more because Korea fought back.
Other teams would get flustered by China not giving up.
paper crag
right, that's what i'm saying
pearl stratus
It's a testament to SK's general training and mentality.
paper crag
other teams get caught off guard when china fights back while outnumbered
paper crag
SK doesn't let its guard down, and China fighting back just becomes an outnumbered enemy taking a bad fight
which SK gladly takes
ruby pendant
@pearl stratus lol
balmy wolf
SK's team looks so unhealthy though
pearl stratus
Nah they looked fine.
balmy wolf
I'm generally concerned for the players.
paper crag
if anyone looked kinda bad, Fleta looked pretty tired
but he always has that dark bag under his eyes
balmy wolf
One guy looked so sleep deprived.
coarse blaze
wasn’t there a huge problem with overworking players in OWL too?
balmy wolf
His eyes were literally red holo'ed
worn falcon
Fleta looks like tired always
paper crag
tbh, Fleta did get switched out one day because he simply couldn't go on
worn falcon
Also ^
pearl stratus
Leave looked nearly dead after the Finals.
paper crag
but he does always look tired lol
paper crag
i was just a bit sad to see libero not in uniform because he was benched the whole match
balmy wolf
He went off on Blizzard World.
paper crag
lol
ruby pendant
With Great skill comes no sleep!
coarse blaze
yup. so many players worked to exhaustion. China should still be really proud of themselves
making it to the finals with 32 hours without sleep
pog champ
ruby pendant
Still with what I've seen so far, can't wait for season 2
pearl stratus
China should be proud because for a team with no OWL and very little time together.
ruby pendant
seems so far away
pearl stratus
They really crushed it.
balmy wolf
This is what makes me scared entering PL one day.
pearl stratus
Especially versus Canada.
paper crag
honestly though, the world might need to get used to the idea of seeing China vs SK for multiple OWWC finals in a row
coarse blaze
China had one person in OWL right?
pearl stratus
China v. Canada was honestly the biggest blow out of the OWWC.
Sky technically.
But he only played like... 3 games
He does not work well on mixed rosters.
So he ended up benched for Freefeel most of the time.
And the Sky we saw in the OWWC was completely different from anything we ever saw in OWL.
Like night and day difference.
ruby pendant
look the same
not like he was trash in Dragons
like you said he fit in more in this team
pearl stratus
He was pretty horrible with Dragons - he did not work confidently with communication with the tank line and it lead to a lot of bad play.
vagrant niche
so Ashe's reload gets longer the more bullets you fire
she puts one bullet at a time during her reload
jagged crater
Sounds fair
jagged crater
She has 12 bullets right?
vagrant niche
yes
they don't do too much damage, i think the youroverwatch guy said 40 damage or so unscoped just high rate of fire
jagged crater
Might play her as a longer range thrn
vagrant niche
melee does like 30
her dynamite looks pretty strong tho, specially vs goats
i guess we'll see on Monday when ptr hits
jagged crater
Unscope seems like a thing to finish off kills, not her main source of dmg
Scope + mercy boost has very good synergy
Because it can one shot 250hp
vagrant niche
I like her mobility with the shotgun
but it's long cool down
i wonder what pro player could take advantage of that
i'm thinking Profit
jagged crater
Sure any hitscan specialist will use her well
vagrant niche
again, i'm not sure she will see pro play with that huge reload liability
the dynamite has to be that good
jagged crater
We'll see how she in ptr
Will take time to adjust to her scoped fov
Can't wait to play her in paintball
vagrant niche
scoped headshot is around 170ish
pearl stratus
Do you have to reload everything?
Or can you stop reloading to fire again?
That'll probably be the difference maker.
vagrant niche
I'm not sure to be honest
rapid sapphire
you can stop the reload
sullen berry
Think pump action shotgun
From what I'm not hearing
You fore a single round, more frames between shots than mccree. good during long idle time between team fights to reload the entire clip
If krystals dragonstrike was instead Ashe about to summon Bob onto the field, how would South Korea handled the situation?
pearl stratus
If you can stop the reload its not as detrimental. Means landing your shots counts even more.
And you'll reload to full between fights
paper crag
last fight in Rialto between UK vs SK
Anamo wall rides to dodge earthshatter
then uses sound barrier to save team
rare sonnet
:/
rare sonnet
earthshatter shouldn't have been nerfed babyrage
paper crag
here's one from a different angle with slow motion
rare sonnet
how does that not register
he's only like 1m off the floor
'dodge' my ass thats a buggy shatter
rare sonnet
hidden vault
If Uk managed to beat USA they didn't manage to beat Canada?
rare sonnet
Because Canada spent months practicing for tank comps
Because of Finland
Who took SK to map 5 with tanks
hidden vault
I blame meko for that
warm quartz
scenic elm
I'd just like to say i'm very proud of the 7Lions roster. They made the whole country proud. GGs
nova wadi
marsh pumice
karmic grotto
Nerf South Korea
little holly
Dva had a 98 percent pickrate in that WC.
Yikes.
forest raven
That's nothing new my dude
warped axle
That's pretty much never going to change until they add a new generalist hero
One that's good in most situations like D. Va
little holly
Forget that, add another dps hitscan.
balmy wolf
unpopular opinion but jake is a really good caster
ashen gull
Was there any hero with 0% pickrate?
balmy wolf
cool
pearl stratus
Unpopular opinion would be that UK spent so much time prioritizing a 3:3 if they actually had a decent hitscan player they wouldn't have given up 4 games to uncontested Pharahs 😛
balmy wolf
have we ever seen the uk play dive?
pearl stratus
They had modifications on dive, but it was a modification to force the other team to switch into Goats.
Whicht hen they'd switch to Goats as well
balmy wolf
btw its just a big LOL when china got rolled 4-0 against korea
like south korea vs uk was the true finale
pearl stratus
Eh side opinion.
If SK had been on the other side of the brackets where China was
SK would have crushed UK as well.
ashen gull
How did China rolls canada then SK roll China?
pearl stratus
Prep time, mostly.
ashen gull
2-0-2
pearl stratus
yeah what I'm saying is if they hadn't and only met in the finals.
It would have been a much different finals.
Because SK would have had 5 more maps to actually prep for UK
Which absolutely no one did.
balmy wolf
seeing the usa out was a big wow moment tho
pearl stratus
It wasn't super surprising overall to me.
balmy wolf
everyone was casually waiting for that sk vs usa
ashen gull
Like what Zen Says
ashen gull
Overconfidence is a flimsy shield
pearl stratus
They didn't in their qualifiers though.
pearl stratus
So if you watched the Paris qualifiers UK looked pretty trash
balmy wolf
and muma is one big asshole
pearl stratus
So I wouldn't have prepped for them either.
It's like OWL.
If you have Shanghai Dragons and NYXL in the same weeek.
You prep for NYXL.
ashen gull
Well its shows what good team communication can do
pearl stratus
It just shows what bad prep can do.
Shanghai took NYXL to Map 5 and almost won in OWL because NYXL didn't prep for them
pearl stratus
Same as my firm belief if the finals were played today
ashen gull
The problem is that they had no answer to pharmercy
pearl stratus
China would do much better
Since they went into the finals on roughly.. 36 hours of no sleep?
Overall I'd say China won OWWC though
Because 5 Contenders and a PUBG Pro all got picked up by OWL teams, if rumors bear true.
balmy wolf
i think the uk was the best team aside from sk
balmy wolf
if the uk had a good hitscan and they answered the pharah uk wouldve won
ashen gull
Just shows how much unknown talent there is in EU
and hopefully Paris shows what an EU team can do when they are given the chance
pearl stratus
I personally think that for the next year or two we're going to potentially be stuck with China vs. SK for finals.
little holly
The UK could have never beaten SK. If they won Rialto, SK would have went hardcore and destroyed UK.
Canada got EXTREMELY lucky against the UK.
The Uk were the third best team there
pearl stratus
I actually think, on paper, Finland was better than UK.
But we never saw them play against each other.
The people on China's side of the bracket got screwed.
Because they all, according to their coaches, really practice tank heavy comps.
And China was like "Whats that? Fuck tank heavy comps. Here's Doomfist and Mei"
Finland had the best GOATS on that side of the bracket though.
Would have liked to see them play UK.
little holly
It's very difficult to say a certain team is better than the other except SK obviously. We could say Canada/UK got very lucky they didn't get SK as their first match. Every single team there except Australia looked better than UK on paper, France rolled them 4-0.
Everyone thought they'd be an easy hit.
pearl stratus
Yeah thats why it was a on paper.
Rein v Rein is a non-issue. Rein has little to no control on how he works in Goats.
I would say historically while Fusions played out of his mind my money would go to Fragi on any Rein heavy map. His Rein is just bananas.
Linkzr, in view, was a better Zarya than MikeyA.
But Kyb was better Brigitte.
little holly
No shit, they're OWL players.
pearl stratus
So its a very interesting line up.
Nah even without OWL.
Fragi is the Miro of Reins.
little holly
I expect them to do better
pearl stratus
He's just the guy.
little holly
Fragi just fed on Winston tbh
pearl stratus
His Winston has never been strong.
But his Rein is top notch.
His Winston got a LOT better in Season 1, but never top tier.
I think overall UK and China had the best chances to beat SK.
UK because they were an anomaly, so UK was going against SK with SK having no clue who any of them really were.
Or how they played.
Element of surprise is huge.
China because they were just a tenacity team, but so is SK.
So when you have two teams that don't give up on fights.
The mechanically stronger team should always win.
Which is SK.
karmic grotto
Nerf SK
Or better
SK vs SK
That's what I want to see
Full Korean roster against each other
For fun
pearl stratus
Eh.
I'm just glad SK vs China wasn't just all goats all the time
There was goats, but neither team likes to play it a ton.
I personally think GOATS is, albeit a VERY effective comp, a crutch comp that lets you hide a lot of deficits of bad play.
It takes skill to do it masterfully but you can hide bad match ups in DPS, etc.
karmic grotto
Thing is now, Korean coaches need to coach other teams
And how Korea trained
That's a thing
What did they do
pearl stratus
I think its also a matter of western players/teams getting used to practice like korean playerrs too.
The biggest complaint from korean players we saw in OWL was about a lack of dedication to the grind for practice.
Rascal said it, Fissure said it, Envy got kicked off LAV for it.
Etc.
Hell its why Tailspin originally left Envy.
I think the first mixed team that truly finds the balance between the two can be massively successful.
Philly got real close.
paper pollen
i wonder why some people hate korean keep winning OWWC, if you cant beat the best you are not worthy to win OW most prestigious tournament
same as other esport or sport tournament, also its not like korean dominating all games that have pretigious tournament (lets take example, in CS:GO not a single eastern country has a chance to beat western in top-tier tournmanet, in DotA2 its pretty much western vs china every TI, theres a single korean team that good for around 2 years and after that its a downhill for them)
torpid charm
balmy wolf
I there a third place prize
warped axle
Bragging rights
There's basically no extra prize for doing well inWC
US got the same amount as SK
queen drift
esports are taken seriously in korea
its like an actual sport to them
as in the fame around it
korean work ethic is legendary as well
rare sonnet
@warped axle you get medals
little holly
As Fox said, Korea SHOULD win it. Esports is actually taken seriously there, unlike in a place like the UK where it's not.
round obsidian
This was was on the front page of competitive overwatch so you've probably seen it but look at the insane coordination from team korea
fate's shield is about to break and fleta walks forward with the brig shield anticipating the shatter and carpe does the same with bubble
sinatraa and space would never do this for muma
polar pasture
that has a lot to do with the discipline and instinct of those two players
im sure fate called out "shield boutta break" and carpe and fleta knew on instinct to block that shit because guxue tries hard to get high value shatters
i think the whole world cup reflected that from SK
they really legitimately didnt practice together as much as some other times, but the skill and discipline of the individual players let them fuse together into the team that won
ruby pendant
@paper pollen Not sure if people are that upset about South Korea winning tournaments. However, it can get boring for the same team winning over and over. That's why people may root for other teams to add some flavor to the event. It's like USA vs international countries in basketball, it's boring if USA keeps winning. It's like you already know who's going to win, why bother to watch if it's not exciting, and etc?
shut terrace
can we just say how fucking good UK did? like sure they lost twice, but remember who they lost against and how they lost. Im proud
round obsidian
UK did the best
idc what you say but SK vs UK was the best series in all of worlds
finals/third place games didnt have shit on that series
sullen berry
First frag on JJonak on Busan in their quarterfinals match up with Australia will go down in history
Best shutdown before team SK had a chance to initiate
molten skiff
it's weird that somehow korea won wc without dropping a map in blizzcon
but they look more vulnerable than last year
pearl stratus
@round obsidian I'd argue China, flat out, did the best. But UK by no means did badly.
gilded peak
UK really did great. But definitely China did the best. Nobody knew how to counter against China. SK made it look easy.
lyric pivot
Oh, Korea won another championship? 
poor Korean kids. The only time they see outside is when they travel.
torpid charm
paper crag
With no disrespect to China, I wonder if they had was essentially an extremely good cheese strat
at least in SC community, one of the things that separated the amazing players from good players was how well they react to unexpected strategies
unexpected/unconventional
maybe similar thing happened in OWWC where China's strategy essentially put them right in that niche between SK and the rest
I'm kind of curious as to why UK seemed so powerless against Canada on map 5 though
it seemed like a really close match until map 5 where they just crumbled
pearl stratus
The think with UK's GOATS was that it never changed, it didn't have its variation
The Winston Goats is hugely popular in Korea and provides different play/.
molten skiff
UK just isnt good at control
paper crag
huh they're not?
i don't know much about them
i just thought it was interesting that they 2-0'd Canada on map 1, which was control
then got destroyed on map 5
radiant blade
Pog or Poggers ?
balmy wolf
is not false is very true and big
gaunt acorn
what are you talking about
pearl stratus
@paper crag I think they couldn't adjust, even in the slightest, to the the Winston Goats.
People act like that comp was refreshing and new.
But its been in Korean Contenders for a while now.
paper crag
did Canada not use it in map 1?
paper crag
i see
pearl stratus
Canada shifted to the Pharah - which was a free win.
UK shifted to the hybrid Roadhog Goats because apparently MikeyA is not the hitscan hero 😛
They shifted to the Winston Goats.
or Pharah.
paper crag
I wonder if Canada didn't know Winston Goat would be THAT effective against UK
pearl stratus
When they went Pharah UK would go a comp that they "designed to force people onto GOATS"
Canada would go to the Winston Goats.
UK would lose.
UK never contested the Winston Goats well
pearl stratus
Yeah according to UK their 2-1-3 comp was designed to force Pharah users back onto Goats to counter.
So they could then go goats.
Since UK Goats was very precise.
I think their reliance on it ended up being their undoing.
I also think their reliance on goats hurt Kyb and MikeyA in terms of showing them off.
I was thinking about it last night, and talking about it.
GOATs makes DPS not something you look at, at all, from a scouting point of view.
It downplays their roles so much, and shows off no flex for them.
warped axle
Putting Fleta on Brigitte duty is such a waste
pearl stratus
But if you watch SK doesn't do it full time.
Fleta played Pharah, Widow, Genji, Brigitte, and even Tracer during the OWWC.
Compared to like...
Kyb?
Who played Brigitte, Zarya, and Hanzo. And like 3 seconds of Tracer.
From a scouting perspective I would give Kyb a contenders spot, but never an OWL one.
I don't need someone with a small hero pool (which it now looks like he has)
paper crag
i thought it was pretty hilarious that SK had 0.06 m remaining when they started contesting the payload
literally a split second slower and they would have lost the map
in map 4, of course
pearl stratus
Yeah.
I still wish the finals were today.
I think a rested China vs. SK match would have been so nice.
But its their own fault for choosing to pull an all-nighter.
paper crag
yeah
pearl stratus
A+ for having the balls to do it though
That all nighter let them absolutely BODY Canada.
pearl stratus
Or a longer break.
paper crag
or semifinals on day 1 and 3rd place + grand finals day 2
and get quarterfinals done before blizzcon
pearl stratus
I think that'd be better.
Even Quarter + Semi on Day 1 I think would be okay.
With a long enough break.
paper crag
i feel like 4 matches in one day is pretty tiring even for viewers if they want to watch everything
pearl stratus
Like play quarterfinals. Break for 2-3 hours.
Then do Semi.
Start off Day 2 with Bronze.
Then Finals.
paper crag
yeah maybe
pearl stratus
Also can I just say.
paper crag
didn't they start the day pretty early as it was though?
pearl stratus
The OWWC Viewer did -not- feel like a beta.
Day 2 they did.
They started at like.. 9am EST
Er PST
12 EST.
paper crag
yeah
pearl stratus
So they fit in three rounds on Saturday, starting early.
Would be better for them to only do two rounds.
paper crag
yeah
pearl stratus
It would make the bronze match better too
Since those teams would get rest as well
paper crag
i think canada was the most screwed team, schedule-wise
pearl stratus
I personally think Canada was also just jarred.
paper crag
get destroyed by china, then play UK right after
pearl stratus
By how badly China decimated them.
paper crag
two matches back to back though
pearl stratus
Jaynes tweets were the best.
paper crag
yeah was gonna refer to that lol
pearl stratus
Prior to that he'd done a bunch of "scouting" the night before.
And it was ALL wrong.
paper crag
idk what jayne was trying to accomplish by implying "something's suspicious" about xqc's mouse
sometimes mice fail
xqc apparently declined a swap
after being offered a chance
should be the end of the story there, imo
paper crag
i believe him about the mouse malfunctioning thing, but i feel like that was more trying to save face/mad at china
pearl stratus
That was the France map it happened, right?
Er maps.
I'm sad YangX1a0Lg hadn't announced his return earlier.
Depending on his condition I would have replaced Shy with him.
YXL is like Leave but Hitscan.
Also I think Canada got the idea of using the Winston Goats from playing China.
Since its what China did a bit to them since Guxue is a monster monkey.
Actually thats what Jayne said lol
Twitter
torpid charm
ruby pendant
Jake took his job!!
torpid charm
Reinforce
copper solstice
I love reinforce
polar topaz
Wouldnt be surprised if true lmao
Jayne: you rolled a 2 and get stunned
Xqc: bangs desk yO WUTTA JOKE D U D E
pearl stratus
Removing the only actual analyst on the desk who had real input seems amazingly short sighted and stupid./
But maybe they picked up new analyst/ex-players.
Also Levi is a huge boost.
Because he coached Fearless, they joined the team on the same date.
So you have BluHAS with his four KDP players, Levi with Fearless.
ruby pendant
How do you think London's OWL team will do compared to these new rosters?
pearl stratus
They'll be fine. Gesture + Fury is still an unrivaled duo overall.
nova wadi
Feelsbad we wont see reinforce next OWL sadly
visual glen
queen drift
part of me is sad because Reinforce was a solid desk member, part of me is happy, hoping they'll get someone (or already have got someone) even better
gaunt acorn
well it's not jake
queen drift
thankfully
forest raven
Be hard to get someone as knowledgeable and as articulate
karmic grotto
copper solstice
good man
torpid charm
balmy wolf
Is OWWC being replaced? I heard about this yesterday from an insider and was curious.
sullen berry
were they powered by intel?
balmy wolf
Good question, I too am curious.
sullen berry
less is more approach?
pearl stratus
I mean no crumbz is fine.
Crumbz was pretty garbage.
Reinforce is pretty huge.
I'm hoping they start rotating in more players to the desk with the schedule of the season.
That would be one improvement I'd be okay with.
Or coaches.
Like a spotlight coach/player of the week.
They could even bring Jayne in for this season.
Since Leave isn't playing.
forest raven
Can't be a player and talent
pearl stratus
So he couldn't tell Leave to fuck off.
sullen berry
im sure they would need more talent or better ones probably ripped straight from league with an interest in picking overwatch
pearl stratus
Sure you can. Most of the players do analysis already.
forest raven
Not officially for blizzard on OWL broadcasts
pearl stratus
They had Boombox on the desk doing Analysis already.
So.
No?
And it wasn't for the All-star.
He randomly did it one week.
He was garbage at it.
Like he was trying to kill a Pharah.
But he did it.
limber pine
maybe they just do sideshow and bren, but I kinda like the rotation
pearl stratus
I like having one real analyst either way though.
900IQ play would be to bring in Seagull for it.
And I could see Seagull saying yes to it.
He'd still have full time to stream, and it would make profit out of when his stream would most likely tank anyway since OWL meant most streamers just didn't stream during it (If they primarily streamed OW) as it just destroyed their views.
I personally hope they just change their mind and keep him around.
limber pine
Blizzard is unlikely to change their minds
pearl stratus
But I have a feeling its his off screen criticism that got him cut.
In his own videos he's pretty blunt and honest.
If he doesn't have that happen I hope a team picks him up to assistant coach or analyze.
He has mostly good relationships across the league, so I feel like he'll end up.. somewhere.
Also did people see the Leave graph for heroes played?
That's... a decent flex pool I guess.
balmy wolf
That correlates into the amount of leavers in % based on hero picks?
So 22% of all leavers are Pharah or 22% of matches Pharah is played in there are leavers?
warped axle
"Brig duty it is!"
pearl stratus
I think my favorite was his Zen was -very- close to Jjonak's damage.
Jjonak had the experience for better Trans/healing though, not taking that away from him.
balmy wolf
got it
pearl stratus
But he fragged out on Zen too.
@balmy wolf Leave was a player for China in OWWC. Thats a visual representation of all the heroes he played.
balmy wolf
ty
pearl stratus
China not relying on Goats let their DPS shine heavily, it was a show off for them.
balmy wolf
pretty slim pickens but the graph is terribly cut-off/cropped
where is the other 76%?
pearl stratus
Not in this meta, really.
Though Krystal did bust out the Mei for a bit.
Also, sadly, most DPS only got to show off two heroes in the OWWC.
Brig and Zarya.
A couple of little exceptions but that was 90% of the situations for most teams
Wholesome Watch - Apparently Lateyoung and OGE knew each other and both tried out for Boston?
LY wasn't picked up due to language issues, but played a lot with OGE and now has calling etc in Korean and a decent grasp of english.
pearl stratus
If anyone didn't watch Dhaks reviews I highly recommend it if you're a support person. He's really funny and really goes through their issues
worn falcon
Reinforce my boy :(
hidden vault
What Leave do to Jayne for Jayne to say that?
limber pine
I know Leave has a nutty Zarya
jagged crater
think reinforce didnt get re-signed cuz casuals didnt like him
are we talking leave being a flex god
sullen berry
reinforce + goldenboy were able to deliver on the explanation of dive comps for casuals
seems like overall he was a flop to the casual viewer 😐
magic zinc
Even then I think Reinforce would have no problem with adjusting a bit to better explain to casuals
I think he added a lot tbh, no idea who would replace him
Only person I could think of is Seagull lol
copper solstice
I enjoy goldenboy
magic zinc
Hmm I think that could be repetitive, we already cycle out Puckett sometimes as well otherwise he'd go crazy
I also wonder if there'll be an extra casting duo? I kinda hope so
warped axle
ZP + Jason Kaplan
magic zinc
Reinforce + Crumbz 4head
copper solstice
How about just more semmler
torpid charm
From what I heard, Reinforce was making a lot of shmoney & the league wasn’t smart with their finances the first season, which is why him & several others got cut like him & a bunch of the spectating team
novel musk
pearl stratus
Holy crud the resume on the Toronto dude in this interview.
Dude was basically the head of the Canadian olympic groups.
rare sonnet
Who?
pearl stratus
Toronto Defiants new GM.
He worked for the Canadian Olympic Committee, the group that owns the Maple Leafs/Raptors, a football team, and a few other major Orgs.
His resume is crazy impressive.
Good hire.
ruby pendant
ESPN has been pushing more stories/focus on e-sports since this summer. That's cool if he's picked up by ESPN.
limber pine
paper crag
what's a two way contract?
fast basin
Play on Contenders team and OWL team
little silo
Can do Contenders and OWL but I think he can only play in 3 OWL games per stage so he can play on both
fast basin
If they play more than two games per stage in OWL they become OWL players instead of Contenders/OWL players
cant play an OWL game and a contenders game in same week
warped axle
So I guess they are sticking with Gamsu
fresh sedge
FUCK SOUTH KOREA
green stump
@limber pine the guy totally deserves it to! Cheers for him
limber pine
Indeed
pearl stratus
@paper crag A two way contract is a way of saying "You're playing contenders except for two days, we still like Gamsu more."
Which is fair.
dusk hinge
oh yea
vagrant niche
why the hell Bliz doesn't want Reinforce on the desk?
and keeps Monte and DOA???
bogles my mind
get rid of Malik, Mica
gilded peak
What's wrong with Monte and Doa?
vagrant niche
and keep Reinforce
They are not as good and likeable like Reinforce
like, i totally undertand why Dumbz is out
gilded peak
Reinforce is the one on the Desk Review right?
gilded peak
Monte and Doa are mainly as casters now, so I don't really think there is a reason to get rid of them since they are not in the same position.
But are they replacing anyone for Reinforce or are they just leaving that spot vacant?
vagrant niche
I would take ZP with Jamerson over Monte and DOA any day
well, why not give him a job somewhere else?
that's why i said, get rid of Malik and Mica, honestly, Mica is the worse offender, Malik is ok other than being a console trash Reaper
gilded peak
Can't remember who Mica was, but Malik is ok. He seems more like the hype dude. Kinda like Soe being the interviewer
gilded peak
Oh, I thought you were gonna say Emily. I was like ehhh
Yeah, definitely get rid off her.
vagrant niche
unlikeable fake girl
gilded peak
I've only seen her in OWWC, was she ever in OWL?
gilded peak
Ah, I've never watched Contenders so I wouldn't have known.
ruby pendant
thought Mica was pretty cool
torpid charm
I like Mica
queen drift
mica is so bad
little silo
What do you guys think about Semmler
sullen berry
I like that malik is there for quickly outlining and staging/setting up each match
not exactly a straightforward role, but after a 100 times or so he's gotten good at putting the minimal amount of info for a crowd who aren't as invested in other teams
magic zinc
Malik also handles the breaks and such and giveaways I think in the arena? He does more than we see on broadcast
#JusticeForReinforce (again)
lime bridge
I watched contenders and Mika wasn't on point.
her interactions with the casters and othe hosts felt so fake.
She's good at her job, but she feels so generic. I mean she could be hosting any title in any sport/esport, she doesn't feel invested in overwatch.
lime bridge
Honestly I wasn't fan of is rein play...but god I'm going to miss him on the desk.
pearl stratus
Especially since the other seeming option (Cuddles) isn't doing anything either.
Which means we'll get a desk like OWWC, which was fine, but without the balance point.
Sideshow / Bren kind of know what they're talking about in the theoretical space.
But not in reality.
pearl stratus
I liked him because he could shift between silly and serious pretty easily, he didn't actually hinder how stupid they were.
lime bridge
Could Jake take his place ?
Because he's been casting during OWWC and the whole time i was saying to myself "that dude should be on the desk"
I could listen to Jake for hours talking about OW strategies
sullen berry
¯_(ツ)_/¯
if he can really elevate his tone
he has a special kind of tone that I don't want to say is monotone
because when he pops off and hypes up a big moment
he can really deliver
lilac atlas
He already said he is staying with the outlaws
But his experience just opens opportunities later down the road
Maybe even a gateway to other games if overwatch dies out in 5-10 years
sullen berry
https://clips.twitch.tv/AgitatedHungryKathyKippa
So fissure noticed something odd about Krystal's dragonstrike
green stump
What dragon strike? :)
sullen berry
:3
pearl stratus
I mean don't get me worng.
Thats a good play.
But its not an amazing play.
Krystal had just peeked it (you can see it from Furys view)
And thats a hugely popular Hanzo spot.
His grav eating was the real impressive ones
Fleta's Barrage vs. UK (which Kruise was reviewing) is the super impressive one
He 180'd on the D'va dive in, then instantly 180'd again when she passed.
jagged crater
world cup viewer has been a godsend
so many pros analyzing replays, so much insight gained about the game
jagged crater
would love to see jake do some vod reviews
green stump
@jagged crater still took them a long time to release it and it's still missing a few things like an accurate stat relay, and static placed cameras
vagrant niche
is there a play we can go tell Bliz how such bad decision was to get rid of Reinforce?
bich i can't take it that he's out and dumb Mica still in
I as a viewer and consumer of their stream need a platform to express my dislike on this decision
jagged crater
mica is fine, she's just an interviewer
blizz reads the comp subreddit, and there's already a thread about reinforce not getting resigned with tons of dislikes about the decision
im sure blizz knows about it
but it might not be upto them
remember the actual comp community likes reinforce, but the majority casual audience might not
prob wanted more memes, less analysis
vagrant niche
what casual? nobody who watches the league are casuals
jagged crater
have you seen the OW community?
vagrant niche
unless they are the mob for sprays
jagged crater
it's like the largest casual to comp ratio in any esport game
vagrant niche
they don't watch league
jagged crater
by far
vagrant niche
they don't follow none of that
jagged crater
they dont have to follow it religiously, they just have to watch a few games here and there for a first impression
owc was advertised on the blizz launcher so it had some attention
vagrant niche
you try to make a Jakerat or AKM blade joke on the game, hardly anybody gets it
and that's as general as you will get on the league
jagged crater
they've become memes without context, just like c9
like people yell c9 on EVERYTHING now
anytime a team loses objective
vagrant niche
that's not the point i'm trying to make
i'm saying, people in overwatch, in general, do not follow the competitive scene at all
jagged crater
my point is the market is a bigger influencer of decisions, not what the comp community likes
vagrant niche
i doubt any of them were so displeased about Reinforce
that bliz didn't renew his contract
jagged crater
crumbz and reinforce were prob the least popular among the analysts, so that might be the main reason they didnt get re-signed
coarse blaze
they were the best ones though pepeHands
limber pine
Crumbz just didn't have any passion for it
I miss Reinforce, but yeah, most casuals prefer the Bren/Sideshow antics
jagged crater
still dont know why ZP is not part of OWL
ZP & Jake has been a poggers combo, rivaling UberX
i mean jake is a player (for now), but ZP & Hex can still work great in the mean time
limber pine
I would think with the increase in games that they'd add a 4th caster duo
but if they're getting rid of people then Idk
warped axle
I swear if they get rid of soe or malik
jagged crater
cant see them getting rid of soe, she's like the only female there. Very well liked too
ruby pendant
Wonder if there was a special reason for Reinforce leaving. Maybe he broke one of his clauses, etc?
jagged crater
he had a slip up at one point
prob not a deal breaker
i see them keeping soe and malik for a more diverse cast
ruby pendant
Soe and Malik seem pretty popular and improved at their respective roles. OWL probably analyzes reception of the castors. If they'll replace them maybe season 3.
jagged crater
what did hamtornado cast before i forgot
gilded peak
London Spitfire would win
jagged crater
6 months of team chem vs <1, i'd go with london out of sheer experience as a team
gilded peak
Not exactly 1 year, more like 2 years. London Spitfire = GC Busan
And GC Busan was an absolute Dark Horse in the Korean League.
Actually, don't know if its 2 years. Nevermind, you may be right < 1 year. Less than 2.
upper niche
Is spiritow on Twitch a OWL/OWC player?
twin dragon
OWC maybe, but not OWL
surreal lichen
Unpopular opinion: Muma is not the best western main tank nor is he even close to it.
gaunt acorn
that's not at all unpopular
river ember
It's common knowledge 😉
sullen berry
you would think that space is
but after this showing
I don't know if team USA's core weakness is in their dps
or their supports, lowkey
gilded peak
Or all of the above
sullen berry
you can have it all fall apart sure
you could even say Aero's coaching had little to no impact leading up to their first match at blizzcon
if the team had little to no investment vs UK
then who or what was the root cause?
sullen berry
Hangzhou Spark & Guangzhou Charge
If I were to believe these
why are they both going after my power outlets
polar pasture
is that just the damn chickfila logo @ paris
sullen berry
you would expect them to go multi coloured
😠
I can expect some more red subbranding to balance out the blues
but that is a LOT of blue and red
chengdu pandas will forever have the face of grudge against shanghai dragons
forest raven
I want more teams not named after intangible concepts thanks
ruby pendant
lol those are real names?
polar pasture
"spark" "charge" "justice" "defiant" yo what happened to naming your teams after animals n shit, that worked pretty good in every other thing ever
sullen berry
#justticeforjanus and #justicewizard
limber pine
chengdu is seoul colors
sullen berry
one can deam they aren't going to be black and white
but a panda? with that kind of name?
gaunt acorn
@forest raven from where
hidden vault
Erm thry don't look nice
forest raven
Take this as you will https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/9uvb25/resident_shitpostersentient_ai_seagull_no1_fanboy/ @gaunt acorn
forest raven
Yee
gaunt acorn
followed by silkthread
forest raven
Poggers
gaunt acorn
seems real
branding kind of sucks for a lot of these
hangzhou is atrociously bad
dc sucks
forest raven
All intangible concepts as names 
sullen berry
to be fair
I think hangzhou is going for the long term game
as with any branding
the fingerbang will let the fans do all kinds of things
forest raven
sullen berry
oh shit
sideways Fuel
I need more of these when they announce their discord server
surreal lichen
Why is Paris represented by a fuckin CHICKEN lmfao
sullen berry
Not directly related, but I think some say the french love le Coq?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7plURl4sx4
I take it this is common cultural knowledge for the french?
torpid charm
@gaunt acorn did you see Vancouver’s logo?
torpid charm
Apparently it’s supposed to be Vancouver Vanguard
https://twitter.com/Seagull_No1_Fan/status/1060042362771124224 with this as the logo
