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#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
marble quest
When is the Toronto reveal
queen drift
So dafran is suspended again
woeful portal
he was doing torb things
woeful portal
https://www.twitch.tv/TorontoOW reveal stream in 1 hour apparently btw
queen drift
Disruptive gameplay
After new torb went live in comp he was only playing that
Suspended
Seagull and Fuey still not banned btw
pearl stratus
They don't have history of being twats though, as I mentioned earlier.
Reputation will ruin you forever.
woeful portal
they tried to deceive us 🙀
drowsy fulcrum
toronto calling themselves the underdog
still part of a scene spoon-fed by blizzard to actually get anywhere
https://i.imgur.com/vxPhijo.png
woeful portal
i kinda like those skins tho
limber pine
skins are pretty cool
gaunt acorn
told you that leak was fake
woeful portal
u were right
even still, a part of me was hoping that monochrome color scheme was gonna be a thing LOL
sullen berry
@limber pine valiant vs defiant will be my go to Pacific match just for branding, like dallas vs houston
sullen berry
Argh, I'm doing it again
sullen berry
Send myself in a cardboard box to toronto
And see if I still think East Canada is part of the Pacific
👉
trim wadi
Vancouver Reliant calling it now
verbal roost
Defiant...
paper crag
why is everyone suddenly all red and black
did toronto venom change to toronto defiant?
fast basin
4Chan is a meme
drowsy fulcrum
@paper crag toronto venom was fake
pearl stratus
They should name themselves something terrifying.
gaunt acorn
or something like Vancouver Northwind
minor oar
woeful portal
no, unfortunately
gaunt acorn
@minor oar https://i.imgur.com/Tl6fOhD.png
not officially confirmed
but all leaks have been accurate so far
sullen berry
Neko man
woeful portal
@gaunt acorn how do you like their official colors?
gaunt acorn
@woeful portal toronto?
i like
it's what atlanta should have been
way nicer, imo
gaunt acorn
queen drift
I like all of Toronto’s branding tbh, I’m on the fence about the name but I love the colours and the logo
So clean
gaunt acorn
vagrant niche
defiant 
what an uninspiring name
hidden vault
Or at least a black majority
vagrant niche
who here is going to miss Dumbz ?
i hope they get ZP man
or Jamerson
just don't get Mika plz 
gaunt acorn
hidden vault
Waiting black and blue! 
Green and black
Yellow and black
EVERYTHING WITH BLACK!!!
upper hawk
gaunt acorn
agreed
mossy bone
How many new teams are there supposed to be again
gaunt acorn
8 new teams:
atlanta
toronto
vancouver
paris
DC
guangzhou
hangzhou
chengdu
@mossy bone
bitter phoenix
Damn asher neko on a team is gonna be good
hidden vault
Still better then TT Toronto Towers
sullen berry
@vagrant niche honestly why not mica
torpid charm
I love Mica
queen drift
i hate mica
woeful portal
we gotta see how it compares to the VANCOUVER merch tho dray
sullen berry
@gaunt acorn great logo design, works on all three points and when flipped
gaunt acorn
nyxl is similarly applicable to a wide variety of mediums
i mean, i still think nyxl has the better logo of the two (well, nyxl has the best logo in the entire league..)
but toronto's is certainly good
only thing i'm not a huge fan of is the name
forest raven
I've never found team names that are intangible concepts to be that great tbh
And so far we've got Reign and Defiant 
sullen berry
Uprising and Fusion didn't really impress me
But it is great to find they can succeed under those names just as well as all the others: looking at spitfire and dragons
Dragons success was more...
Branding by commercial success, same with fuel 
forest raven
Ye
woeful portal
I like the way philadelphia fusion rolls off the tongue tbh
forest raven
Only intangible name I like is Dynasty because it's so connotative of something that is tangible
woeful portal
Might just be me tho
sullen berry
Shock will be a great watch this coming season
woeful portal
And yeah I think dynasty was a good name choice for them too
sullen berry
Only because they've been read by analysts since and have underperformed significantly
woeful portal
Just need to see them return to form hopefully
mint turtle
You guys think Shanghai will be on a loss streak again
woeful portal
Shock seems to have much better depth moving forward
sullen berry
@forest raven what are the chances Railgun belongs to a team other than hangzhou?
woeful portal
Really wanna see how the smurf signing in particular works for them
And probably not lmao @mint turtle
Certainly nowhere near as bad as last season
mint turtle
I hope not, also isn't Florida rebranding their colours? If so, what happens to their current skins
sullen berry
@mint turtle if we convince ourselves it will be 0-28 to go with the 0-40, I get the feeling the curse will be broken
Just to make that fat money from folks who don't expect a map/series win from them lol
woeful portal
I’m not sure about whether florida is rebranding tbh
mint turtle
Their goal is probs to win their first few games then drift from then
gaunt acorn
i think philly fusion is good
it does roll off the tongue
how is alliteration a bad thing
@woeful portal leaks indicated 3 teams were petioning the league to rebrand over the summer
florida being one of them
(the other two believed to be gladiators and.. someone else.. i forget)
but we have no indication whether they were approved or not
woeful portal
Oooooooo
sullen berry
woeful portal
No more mcdonalds maybe o:
sullen berry
I hope there's more betting against them
Stories like these are making me want to use the rest of my Tokens on a single team
mint turtle
Does that mean I wasted my money on buying all the Shanghai skins too? 
gaunt acorn
@sullen berry save them for vancouver
sullen berry
Totally would
If they lose a single series in preseaon, I'll get one
695 Tokens aren't going to just sit there when these new teams should be ready to go
Embarrassing if they get delayed
mint turtle
Yknow your tokens are reset in December right?
sullen berry
And the preseaon starts when?
mint turtle
February I thought
mint turtle
Will preseason allow buying skins?
sullen berry
I have yet to purchase one of each skin
New skins I believe will be highly unlikely by this year 😔
mint turtle
I try to collect skins for the heroes I play, so asides from the Shanghai ones, I also have every league Skin for tracer, 6 for sombra 4 for zarya, 3 for genji, 3 for orisa etc
sullen berry
Based on my playtime, I regret shock symmetra at the moment
Moira could use one of the Chinese team skins
Prove me wrong by showing me a poor mockup of a Vancouver skin
Orisa owl skins doesn't really work for me for some reason
I don't like how it has been colorized
gaunt acorn
i don't understand why they wouldn't want purple
it's single-handedly the strongest part of their branding
queen drift
All of their branding is solid
They’ve got in my opinion the best franchise, on par with Houston and Seoul
queen drift
Dallas, Florida, Boston and London have the worst colore schemes imo
hidden vault
I think london is nice though
But when it started it doesn t fit them
I wonder if the teams themselves choose it
Down to very detail
Or maybe blizzard "gives" out colour schemes and like
Go
Bid for it
gaunt acorn
no, the teams had input
hidden vault
Input to what extend?
Or maybe blizzard and a hand till what extend?
I imagine blizzard would tell them how it works?
gaunt acorn
blizzard helped them design their branding
but they didn't make them choose anything
if you want examples, awhile back i posted the design iterations/colours of the philadelphia logo
another example would be the page motherdesign has on their website
dedicated to the nyxl logo they designed
and general branding/colours
so i mean if a team submitted a design the league didn't like, they'd have to change it
but the league did not choose their branding for them
sullen berry
I think the gladiators shield must be quite limiting
But the purple is THE colour to have, perhaps the font was too regal for esports after looking at their competition?
deft valley
I don't see how it would be
it has the thin serif thing but it's still decidedly "sports franchise regal" rather than anything more formal looking
sullen berry
Oh, I am referring to the typography
deft valley
yeah i know
i'm talking about the gladiators font
sullen berry
I don't hold anything against the Times New Roman looking "Los Angeles Gladiators" text
sullen berry
That's what ticks me off
sullen berry
I need a reference
gaunt acorn
i keep forgetting the name of the toronto team
deft valley
defeatist
sullen berry
Toronto Venom from team pacific
DEFIANT
it comes to me like san francisco shock
SFS is catchy
But I wouldnt bring it up that quickly over the fuel or Dynasty
woeful portal
Yea I know people who were attracted to LAG almost entirely based on the premise that their color was purple LOL
definitely was a good part of their marketing strategy
queen drift
spitfire is easiest to remember for me bc of the prodigy song
gaunt acorn
i never really felt the gladiators logo was utilized
like, i get the connection between gladiators and lions
but from all their marketing, you'd never assume they even had a lion as their logo lol
which may be for the best, since i never much liked the lion anyways
it was always shield-related
#shieldsup, etc
queen drift
their logo is very utilised in their discord
or it was, i havent checked in a while
all the players had the shield with their animal of choise
sullen berry
...loose thread to connect Guangzhou Owner and LA Gladiators to maybe purchasing the franchise...
gaunt acorn
their whole brand identity is reinhardt + shields + purple
sullen berry
Guangzhou Gladiators (lol)
gaunt acorn
the lion goes completely unmentioned
i think they should just change it lol
does anyone really like the lion?
queen drift
idk i like it, its a nice placeholder
what else would you have there
if you have nothing, just a shield, it would look weird
gaunt acorn
i'd leave that decision to an expensive design firm
sullen berry
Placeholder is where I'm coming from too
sullen berry
A secondary identity that was just stopping it from looking like a circle with a notch for a shield
queen drift
its a good general face, even if its not utilised like at all
its not out of place
and for what it is, that's pretty good
pearl stratus
Oh Biblethump for Bishop, I didn't know he had to step down from London because his mom got cancer.
That sucks.
sullen berry
spare a thought for Bishop to step down for the family
he could have pushed spitfire into a 40-0 win streak
pearl stratus
I just remember all the rumors that circulated around during that time.
Two groups didn't like him, etc, etc. Internal trouble.
sullen berry
it was internal trouble all right
he was the only one that enjoys marmite
I digress, seeing as rumors did not have a resolution like bishop's departure or kyky claiming not having control of the team
pearl stratus
Apparently marmite is like vegemite a bit, its in how its used.
I got taught the 'proper' way to eat vegemite, and its not bad when you do it that way.
The trick is not to be a spaz and try and eat a spoonful of it lol
sullen berry
to which bishop did clevery
made it look like it was a large glob he was spooning personally
I want to see more casual content from spitfire next year, this was a fair start
and because you know, busy winning the league matters more
pearl stratus
I want more teams to step up their random youtube shit.
Like Philly does it well, they've got Heidi etc. They did the batting cages, it was a fun little behind the scenes look to break up the monotony.
Houston did the lemon challenge which ended up being hilarious because people are too competitive.
So they were legitimately just eating the entire lemon, rind and all, to one up each other.
queen drift
thats way too much marmite lol
wintry glacier
How do you guys think Shanghai will stand now with the updated roster?
gaunt acorn
decently
limber pine
pulling 4 koreans from the same team really helps
they already have some familiarity with each other
pearl stratus
With the same coach, as well.
So your integration went from 4 new people, to two old people.
With no language barrier.
Also if the rumors prove true that they picked up the Element Mystic coach as an assistant that will further help.
Since its someone whose coached Fearless.
woeful portal
Can’t wait to see them get their first win 😭
pearl stratus
I'm just worried about the tank line. I don't think we've ever really seen Fearless play.
queen drift
fearless is nutty
pearl stratus
Can't judge a tank with such a clear lack of communication to his support line.
woeful portal
Ado wasn’t also from element mystic was he?
pearl stratus
He wasn't - MVP Space.
They must have been working on this KDP deal forever though, when you think about it.
Because releasing Ado made no sense, now it makes perfect sense.
hidden vault
Ado to where?
limber pine
DC is the rumor
hidden vault
I would assume they might get one more flex support?
pearl stratus
Maybe, but usually its a dps that rotates to Brigitte.
hidden vault
the dps plays brigitte? not healers?
balmy wolf
Yeah.
Brig is usually played as a 3rd healer
So a DPS player usually plays Brig, and can switch between DPS and brig as needed.
hidden vault
3rd healer with 2 tanks?
balmy wolf
1 DPS, 2 tanks, 3 healers
It works.
3 tanks and 3 supports is a common comp now.
otherwise known as GOATS
or G ♿ ATS
pearl stratus
tacit tartan
DreamKazper is playing Overwatch again
I find this odd and at the same time more than strange
pearl stratus
If its that weird mykL leak its completely fake
And he got baited into it.
Because hes a moron.
limber pine
He didn't even get baited from what I saw, he just misread a comment from somebody
and then proceeded to make a 10 minute video on it
pearl stratus
Ah mykL and illiteracy.
slow walrus
Anyone think the runaways team will have ppl drafted to OWL? if so, what players?
lilac atlas
Probably all of them, but not sure if 1 team is willing to pay for all of them
slow walrus
KDP went to SHD for the most part so I wanna see Runaways go to one of the other China teams and then there be a huge rivalry
ember jewel
Runaway is going to Vancouver, and right now, the rumour is all of them
earnest saffron
copper solstice
im sold
marble quest
:AtlantaReign:
past adder
were do I find esport teams that I can play with ?
pearl stratus
Honestly LAV just looks like they generally get along and like doing stupid shit
Look at Spaces face.
He looks so happy
warped axle
round obsidian
Lmfao this man
Gladiators pockets are empty after those 2 pickups
Dropping 300k~ for decay? They must have a LOT of faith
warped axle
Watch that video lmao
fast basin
wtf is that video
queen drift
sullen berry
That's a big hit on Boston Uprising
queen drift
Yup
I’m very surprised about Striker
That and the whole divide is what makes me most skeptical
limber pine
Huk has already come out and pretty much refuted all of it
so it becomes just a big
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl stratus
Chances are, and this is a little bit tongue in cheek, he'll end up being better than surefour in the end because he puts in a ton of practice time.
queen drift
I don't think HuK refuting it means anything, of course he'd refute it
round obsidian
@karmic grotto https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/9nuwp8/this_is_the_guy_owl_teams_are_bidding_300k_for/?st=JNPIW78S&sh=eed1b48e
queen drift
i dont 100% believe the article but huk saying anything isnt gonna change anything to me or people who have their minds made up
I'd like to wait for Mistakes, Striker, Crusty and Gamsu
also damn decay's movement on tracer is nutty
btw @limber pine have you seen slashers posts around march?
pearl stratus
Slasher around March was still basically the mykL at the time.
He was reporting anything and everything.
queen drift
Agree, but what he was saying about Boston at that time is pretty in line with that article
pearl stratus
More accreditation but still anything and anything.
Yes or you could look at it that the article just built upon that.
It's a weird timeline to come out with the same storyline 7 months later.
Not necessarily making it incorrect.
But they flushed out a few details, but nothing much crazy new.
queen drift
The stuff with Mistakes is new isn't it?
sullen berry
not being told he was being released until a twitter post?
pearl stratus
Yeah, but thats because its a completely new event.
It doesn't directly relate to the previous issues.
queen drift
The article isnt about those particular issues though it's about HuKs general management
which the mistakes stuff does tie in to
frozen perch
still cringing at the toronto reveal video
pearl stratus
Actually Huks response dismantles the whole thing decently well, because it acknowledges some aspects but paints the better picture.
He also did a smart dismantle of blame shift saying that the person who leaked the info was taking a personal attack on him due to something that must have happened while they were in the org.
Because it ruins rebuttal unless the person in question wants to out themselves, which would be a decently little career ender.
sullen berry
^ @pearl stratus ?
lilac atlas
Yes Open Division is.
queen drift
No
There are a lot of community based tournaments
The only Blizzard contest available to new players is Open Division
Open Division should be the go to goal for an amateur team. There are a few community based tournaments for teams though.
lilac atlas
Yeah there are plenty of community tourneys
OTC, Owlet, Community Cup, Valkryie League, GG Arena etc...
pearl stratus
Jayne is trying to launch a monthly tourney with prize money as well.
karmic grotto
It's something
balmy wolf
That is a good idea from Jayne
pearl stratus
karmic grotto
I mean, many teams don't always have the privilege to play in a tournament, so organizing custom ones with prize pool
Encourages
pearl stratus
That Twitlonger is for the new SHD players
Well the smart thing is he's getting a team together to run it. It's under his name but I doubt he'll be doing much.
So it gets more community involvement and trains other people how to do it.
So it has potential to spread.
What even is the LAV.
karmic grotto
What is T3? I've been seeing it alot, but not sure what it means
warped axle
Tier 3
Tier 1 = OWL
Tier 2 = Contenders
Tier 3 = Open Division/BEAT participants/Trials players sometimes
Tier 4 = Collegiate leagues and everything else
pearl stratus
T3 is like watching high school sports, they do trick plays and dumb shit because they can get away with it.
So you'll see some weird fucked up comps because you can swing it then.
And your opponents won't just fuck you into the ground for going off-meta 😛
I also think T4 is going to be climbing much faster and won't be T4 for a long time.
Because its (in my opinion) a better investment for the players than T3 and T2.
Because collegiate leagues at least give these kids a back up plan other than crying on twitter if they don't make OWL.
Btw if anyone didn't know of this anime "rivalry":
queen drift
must have been pretty close
queen drift
its a shame carpe and diem have similar hero pools
would have been nice t osee them on the same team
pearl stratus
I want to see the western equivalent happen now.
Shake and Bake.
Petition to put Muma and Space on the same team
And rename them Shake and Bake.
queen drift
are muma and space that close?
pearl stratus
No, but I just need the meme first. We can get the closeness second.
It'd be like.. Danteh + Super.
But Supers pretty meh.
So I dont' want him to be part of the combo.
karmic grotto
??
pearl stratus
He's got a pretty solid track history.
pearl stratus
Then you've never watched Korean contenders 😛
karmic grotto
😦 I watched the last ones, but those where trials
I did watched Korean one, only player I remember was some Widow player with letter x on his name
pearl stratus
I bet you know Runaway at least 😛
pearl stratus
He was on the KDP team that brought Runaway to an 8 map final in Contenders Season 2.
With an undefeated season previously.
karmic grotto
Yes, that I know, he was announced yesterday right
pearl stratus
Yeah.
The rest of KDP went to Shanghai.
KDP is basically responsible, as a Contenders group, for a decent chunk of hte OWL
KDP people you may have heard of:
Void, Birdring, Fissure, Rascal, Bdosin 😛
They all went to C9 KongDoo, then to OWL.
karmic grotto
Yes, those I know 😄
So they all started at KDP?
That's amazing
They became pro
pearl stratus
KDP and Runaway are two teams responsible for a huge chunk of Korean talent, imo. Along with teams like Meta Athena/Meta Bellum. Super strong orgs that just churn out good players.
queen drift
theres a couple different types of korean teams
feeder-teams which just make player after player and get poached
KDP, Meta Athena
pearl stratus
KDP has like double feeder too.
queen drift
then teams like Lunatic-Hai which kept a pretty solid roster over all the time and were successful
pearl stratus
Because they start with KDU.
KDU often feeds into KDP.
Which then feeds elsewhere.
queen drift
similar to lw blue / red right?
pearl stratus
It's why I have pretty solid trust in BluHAS, as a coach he tends to make huge strides in players in short time
Since he's constantly getting new ones.
Yeah, similar.
balmy wolf
pearl stratus
Nah they'll be fine.
Kyky is a great assistant coach.
Optic only got rid of him because of how much funding they lost.
Such is the recourse when one of your largest contributors attacks his wife with a hammer.
Going for that Torb kill.
karmic grotto
What teams are you guys excited for?
pearl stratus
New Shanghai, Shock with Smurf/Choi, Huangzhou with Guxue + Krystal.
I want to see if Guxue can continue his insane winston domination into OWL.
Honestly.
He was the most exciting part of OWWC so far.
pearl stratus
He shits out xQc's for breakfast.
Casual reminder of 77-28 K:D ratio.
On a Main tank 😛
lilac atlas
Xqc isnt that great compared to OWL tanks
pearl stratus
I don't think I've ever seen a +49 rating come out for a main tank in a game that wasn't a complete blowout
He also speaks basic korean because he tends to play on the Korean servers, so there shouldn't be call out language barriers.
verbal roost
karmic grotto
Unbelievable
I remember seeing that clip a few weeks ago and didn't pay much attention
But now that I see it again
The control of the ult is amazing
Wait, actually
If you watch the details, he had a Mercy pocket
Healing and increasing damage
How did they communicate to do that?
Did the Mercy player take the chance to assist him?
pearl stratus
Nah China is pretty legit - we just got it ruined by the roster that ended up on Shanghai.
queen drift
i mean these teams play every day for a few hours
constant comms and playtime
not that hard to know either when to pocket someone or ask for a pocket and listen
not to discredit guxue or the mercy, but the pocket isnt the good part there
or rather the interesting part
karmic grotto
Yeah, I just saw the details
pearl stratus
Picture #2:
Shanghai pulled that Philly.
They have cooks at their space ship team house
hidden vault
no more save the eggs for later mcbreakfast
mint night
Does anyone have any good sources for VODs and/or highlights for Overwatch eSports? I'm having trouble finding any good ones
mint night
Well that was fast thank you
queen drift
youtube channels i posted are more streamer, solo player vods
those 3 twitch channels videos are all actual teams in tournaments
warped axle
For big tournaments like World Cup and OWL there's also r/Overwatched
I go there when I want to watch old APEX matches
coarse heath
SK and USA meet in the semis
For once, USA won't get shafted by SK in the quarters
Honestly SK is probably the most vulnerable this year
Finland were literally 1 quicker kill away from beating them
karmic grotto
Exactky
I saw that match again
King's Row
Finland almost won
Which means that teams as France, Canada, USA and Finland
Have equal change to beat SK
They will burn out
Lose in 1/2 finals
balmy wolf
erm it's a common misconception that because I beat you but you beat my opponent I will therefore beat my opponent
Ranking that group
USA
Canada
France
Finland
Alas any result can occur.
pearl stratus
Eh, so my argument for Finland is that they were very close to beating SK.
But SK was running a bad roster.
NYXL+Friend is not an OWWC solid roster because it was a roster that was amazingly inflexible in Stage 4 and showed they hadn't adjusted to the changes well enough.
Their updated Roster is going to be much more scary for the continuationg of OWWC.
balmy wolf
I kinda think NYXL threw that on purpose
pearl stratus
I mean you dont' throw a million dollar prize.
balmy wolf
I dunno why you dominate everyone and then give up
pearl stratus
They just sucked at a tank heavy meta.
balmy wolf
oh you and I wouldn't
pearl stratus
And kept it like a dive format.
balmy wolf
but when you're really good
that stuff happens
I just feel like they did
doesn't mean they did
pearl stratus
Also the meta shifted around them being able to just support Jjonak and get an extra DPS.
But I don't think they knew how to play without Jjonak running as that Fragyatta.
And it hurt.
I think the changes they made are really smart, and makes SK a much scarier team.
Carpe + Libero + Fleta as a DPS line up is a TON of flex.
Libero + Fleta alone literally means you can have every DPS hero in the game coming at you.
That being said I don't disagree that this is a year where SK looks weak because the skill gap is not really there anymore.
karmic grotto
Gotta see space + muma vs sk tanks
mossy bone
What are your predictions
My school has a pickems and predictions contest for World Cup
And I need some experts 👌👍
slow walrus
USA vs. SK in semifinals is obvious
I believe that Canada and Finland will be the other two teams
Beyond that it's kind of speculation; SK this year is more beatable than they've ever been. For patriotic reasons, I have US coming out on top against SK and then facing Finland who beats Canada
pearl stratus
The sub changes also put things through a weird loop.
Because China had to do some weird shit during the Thailand Qualifiers.
Certain people had practiced certain maps but due to only half time subs they couldn't always make the swaps they needed.
Now that swaps are available after every map
China could be stronger.
slow walrus
I don't doubt that China is strong, but I think Finland is stronger with all the owl talent. They were less than 1 map away from beating SK
Plus the bogus map pause
pearl stratus
That was a bad SK team.
Just flat out.
SK did a 3 man change for their Blizzcon roster change.
slow walrus
was or is?
pearl stratus
Was.
They updated their roster.
Going with Fate, Fury, Fleta, Carpe , Libero, Anamo, Jjonak for Blizzcon.
Which is a MUCH stronger roster.
slow walrus
what did they have before??
pearl stratus
SBB, not Fleta, Meko not Fury, Ark not Anamo.
Basically they went as close to NYXL as they could.
And that was a mistake.
pearl stratus
Anamo is also, statistically, just a flat out better player than Ark.
Yes, because it gives them more flex in a meta entirely about being flexible.
SBB realistically is just Tracer, McCree, Brig, and Widow.
Libero + Fleta could conceivably cover the entire roster if they were played at the same time.
pearl stratus
Yeah but think about him with NYXL. Pine and SBB actually overlap a lot.
So he gets pushed mostly into the Genji/Hanzo.
Now he has someone who plays as much as he does.
The combinations are actually kind of daunting.
Fletafist is strong, Libero Sombra is strong. Double sniper is highly possible.
slow walrus
hm true we will get to see him on harder carry roles hopefully
mossy bone
So Finland beats China?
bitter phoenix
Holy shit that roster is stacked
pearl stratus
But most of Meko being amazing, in my opinion, comes from how strong his synergy with Mano is.
mossy bone
pearl stratus
Without Mano on a 1:1 comparison Fury is the much stronger offtank.
bitter phoenix
They are not gonna have any issues
slow walrus
yeah Fury is better by far
pearl stratus
It's not like clear cut victories anymore.
slow walrus
best DVA in the world
pearl stratus
I'd say decent.
China had, by far, the most competitive group for placements. There really were no 'weak' teams like we saw in some of the other brackets.
slow walrus
Well besides UK vs USA and SK vs Australia
pearl stratus
They also suffered during those because of a bad substitution rule (that made sense to shorten the games)
I'm talking the Thailand Qualifiers.
slow walrus
those games should be straightfowards at blizzcon
pearl stratus
They were, in my opinion, the best groups of games because all the teams were actually pretty solid.
Even Thailand gave up no blowouts.
mossy bone
So in the finals it’ll be USA vs Finland?
bitter phoenix
Sk is gonna blow out teams
pearl stratus
I think US vs SK is going to be a tough one.
slow walrus
SK seems stronger now with new roster
pearl stratus
And I wouldn't be surprised to see either team get to the finals.
slow walrus
hard to call
pearl stratus
Right now with the new roster I think SK has better DPS.
slow walrus
but I'm going with US for underdogs (historically) and patriotism
pearl stratus
With the way Rawkus was playing in the Qualifiers however I think you can argue US has better supports in a synergistic level.
mossy bone
What about the other bracket
slow walrus
I think Finland wins and Canada wins and then Finland beats Canada but Fin v. Can could go either way as well
t shirt lol
pearl stratus
I think US has a decent gap in their dps roster with Hydration though.
Because he either plays amazing, or bad.
He doesn't have a mid line.
If he's playing out of his mind I think the gap between DPS in SK vs. US is much closer.
But I do think the US team has the element of surprise, because they do some weird shit sometimes.
Like Sinatraa Reinhardt.
slow walrus
lol
slow walrus
he can play basically anything it's insane
pearl stratus
Which are about equal between the two.
slow walrus
yeah we aren't in a widow meta anymore really
slow walrus
last year it was all about widow duels and mercy
bitter phoenix
And I feel like sk is still above them with fury coming in
slow walrus
I would say Fate has an advantage on monkey but they're even on rein
pearl stratus
I'd reverse that, actually.
slow walrus
Fate was a hard carry in the California cup
pearl stratus
I think Muma has the better Winston.
bitter phoenix
I don't agree with that but hey I'm just not a huge fan of muma
pearl stratus
I think Fate has a stronger overall Rein.
I'm pretty objective on all of it, I'd honestly love to see China win it all because I think they were the most fun to watch 😛
bitter phoenix
But if games at this level were won by just talent alone I would say sk wins every game
But it's not so
I hope for some upsets
pearl stratus
I personally also think Muma + Space showed a crazy amount of synergy in their bracket for the little time they practiced.
I think Fate + Fury is readily able to do the same.
But we don't know since we haven't seen it.
So its a bit of a wild card on how those two sync up
My honest opinion is the DPS will end up deciding it because I find the tank and support lines for US vs. SK very very close.
Especially since its not just a "Protect Jjonak and we have a third dps" anymore, so he ends up a lot more vulnerable.
slow walrus
I can't wait to see Fragi on finland pop off
I missed him a lot when Sado took over for fusion
balmy wolf
fragi has a great rein (if sometimes over-agressive) but his winston needs work to play against the absolute top level winstons
vagrant niche
I hope timo pops off
pearl stratus
Most of them came out in March, this stuff is mostly rehashing and neko killing his career long term.
The only new thing was mistakes ticket, which was leaked as incorrect.
pearl stratus
I mean same could be said for hastr0, lav gm etc.
Everyone fucked up season 1.
And the leaks of an angry ex org person aren't worth believing 100%
The only conclusion that comes out of it is watching Neko fuck up even more.
Because his outburst and response proves that he's emotional and prone to speak out and above.
Which just lowers his value and makes him a risky pick up.
hidden vault
How do we know the mistakes one was false?
hidden vault
And where's the link to HuK's defense?
fast basin
Wait
So Neko went off on HuK?
Does that mean he's off Boston? I doubt he'd do it if he was still there
gaunt acorn
he's been signed to toronto
pearl stratus
I wonder how much Toronto regrets it
@fast basin I could flip that so easily.
My response tweet would be "You're right Jayne, we apologize. That should have never happened, we were focused more on keeping our brand proper and cutting ties with a major financial supporter who attacked his wife with a hammer. We're sorry to hear you think that wasn't the right thing to do."
Boom.
Call it a day.
sullen berry
Toronto having a fragging zen who talks back sounds like the inner Western side of him is coming out
If he feels bad to out himself out there like that, he would have apologised either internally or deleted his message where that was posted
dusk hinge
What happened
sullen berry
There was a post circulating yesterday about Boston Uprising management, HuK replied back about the allegations and Neko posted on social media that he's lying
https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchTMZ/comments/9rhwt4/nekos_reaction_after_reading_huks_response_thats/ @dusk hinge this is Neko's response after the more newer post about the story was pushed
dusk hinge
Thanks
hidden vault
That Huk response was in march though
sullen berry
Yeah, Neko's response is more reflecting this article below but for consistency there hasn't been another HuK response afaik
https://www.vpesports.com/overwatch/uprisings-first-season-marred-by-hostile-team-environment-player-apathy-due-to-alleged-mismanagement @dusk hinge fyi
dusk hinge
They can’t release gamsu right? No way lol
gaunt acorn
@dusk hinge they want to release gamsu
they want to release all their korean players, in fact
it's just difficult finding a buyer
balmy wolf
hell yeah toronto got a owl team, canada proud lets goo!!
gaunt acorn
@balmy wolf you know vancouver got one too
balmy wolf
they did
dusk hinge
Why release Korean players thigh
gaunt acorn
it's not working out behind-the-scenes
balmy wolf
im just getting back into overwatch esports after a year
gaunt acorn
yup
vancouver and toronto are 2/8 new expansion teams
specifically: vancouver, toronto, DC, atlanta, paris, chengdu, guangzhou, hangzhou
mossy bough
Does anyone happen to have any experience being a team manager?
mossy bough
Long story short, my friend recently created a team and needs a manager and offered me the position but frankly, I've little experience. I was wondering if I could find someone who could give me pointers & a general overview of what to do & what happens before I accept or do anything
karmic grotto
@mossy bough #lf-players-na
mossy bough
Sorry, I wasn't sure which was the right channel to use
silk linden
Is geguri still the only woman in OWL?
pallid dirge
kongdoo leoparda
karmic grotto
There's a woman in OWL?
green stump
Geguri
@silk linden for now, I heard there are some in contenders or was it open division
queen drift
What about Michelle /s
copper solstice
Michelle is a Male
queen drift
/s
torpid charm
queen drift
./s = sarcasm Man wtf
torpid charm
Ooooooh, I’ve never seen /s before
torpid charm
Neko & Envy for
limber pine
pearl stratus
So their first two picks are the two people who got cut for being toxic.
Interesting call Toronto.
limber pine
Both very good though
Neko is incredibly underrated and Envy only got replace by an arguably generational player
pearl stratus
Yeah but from an investment standpoint I think toxic people are an interesting pick up. Because its a risk at the core for if they're going to need to be cut again.
I wouldn't say anyone underrates Neko either, overall. But I think the team played smoother with Aimgod right off the bat.
pearl stratus
Defiantly trying not to get to playoffs.
torpid charm
warped axle
fleet walrus
Who tf came up with nekO and mekO
karmic grotto
Them?
fast basin
So dafran is joining atlanta
Atlanta tweeted out a bit of the guy who says "That's fantastic" (Dafrans sub sound) wearing Reign merch.
surreal lichen
Sort of
surreal lichen
tbh I don’t really care about Dafran hahaha
fleet walrus
I want a defiant shirt
Has anyone photoshopped one or is there an official pic of it
warped axle
Let's gooooooooooooooo dudes!
pearl stratus
I think if we get an official announcement for Dafran I'm going to start a betting square for how soon till he gets suspended.
stoic kraken
i thought dafran threw out of his contract because he hated the forced team committment
sullen berry
@hidden vault it was more in terms of "hey our star player is 18, so we're going to bench you indefinitely put your on stage experience with our sister squad" - probably noah
hidden vault
hmm so technically he didn't do anything right
he would fit right in if valiant decided to go 6/half korean
jagged crater
what are the specs of OWL computers?
surefour saying OWL comps cant run 240fps sounds crazy
hollow jasper
Uh
I think
I have an Omen PC and I think they might use the same one I do
1070 i7 7700
Every other omen pc I’ve seen probably would be too eh for ow
Wait it depends on what settings though.
If they’re playing low and it’s not past 240 it’s def not my pc it’s worse
karmic grotto
Gonna try it out if my gpu can handle 300 fps if anything is low
balmy wolf
?
prime lintel
Dafran just announced in OWL on his stream POG
visual glen
warped axle
DOOD
flint pasture
DAFRAN POGU
vague dirge
DUUUUUUUUUUDE
warped axle
green stump
Dafran is here
pearl stratus
Great, now I need to make the "How soon till he gets banned" betting square.
magic zinc
DAFRAN POG
little silo
Kodak actually made it to the OWL nice
magic zinc
No Vizility feelsbadman
balmy wolf
DAFRAAAAAAAAAAN POG
DRAFjkfreswkrgrs
DAFRAN
JUST WATCHD Trgdgsrg
drg
serg
srg
rds
grdg
bitter oxide
dafran's reveal hahah 😂
bitter oxide
Hyped for S2 :D bring it on
bold shuttle
Wheres Dafran?
sour marlin
after the small outro thingy
hidden osprey
That Dafran reveal was fucking awesome
mint turtle
I hope the community doesn't overhype him
It'll seem like he's underperforming to them, just cause he won't be popping off like in ladder
hidden osprey
There's definitely gonna be huge expectations
I'm quite surprised about the Gator pick up though
Considering his past history this year in Goats
bold shuttle
Hanzo
ashen gull
I must be the only one whose gonna support Paris
torpid charm
little silo
All of the chinese teams and Vancouver still need a logo and roster reveal right?
still ravine
round obsidian
karmic grotto
God
That Dafran intro
Amazing
Anyways, Atlanta looks like a nice tema
Team
Guess they will become my favorite
green stump
Glad to see so much excitement for season 2
queen drift
karmic grotto
Does this sub have Atlanta Flair?
Edit: yes it has. Time for my favorite team to be my FLAIR. LET'S GOOOO
quick garden
pearl stratus
My guess is his first suspension will be Week 3.
Especially if he gets overhyped and underperforms and people give him a lot of shit
mint turtle
Nah I don't think he will be banned at all
I think he is excited for something new, he's needed a break or at least something for ages now
karmic grotto
I don't think he will underperform, I believe until proven otherwise that he will gain experience and become better overtime
pearl stratus
I mean historically I'm going to be right. Banned from contenders for a year, etc. So I'm still running the betting square 😛
limber pine
I still think he’ll start the season suspended
obtuse pasture
Someone please put the Ali a theme over dafrans reveal
clear crane
hearty quarry
Poggers dafran!
little silo
Roar is a pretty good replacement for Fissure but Im a bit worried about the language barrier
pearl stratus
Won't have one.
Bischu is still there.
LAG is the luckiest team in having a fully, completely, bilingual player.
He's done an entire season with translation mid-game.
sullen berry
all signs point to the most underrated trait for the most valuable players outside of raw skill: bilingual in-game leaders
bischu and ark are definitely those for gladiators and xl respectively
queen drift
Janus for DC as well
His English isn’t as good as Ark or Bischu but it’s great compared to the other Koreans
I think Asher and Silkthread are bilingual too?
queen drift
Ah rip
ruby pendant
oh wow, they traded Janus?!
balmy wolf
Yeah I remember Fissure said that Bischu got multiple offers from different teams for being bilingual
vagrant niche
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
DAFRAN!!!??????
is no jebait????
HOLY SHIT DUDE
Atlanta is my team
wintry hound
Im going for the Fuel hype
They can do it
Jayne is gonna turn that mess around
OGE gonna carry
karmic grotto
@vagrant niche man of culture. Atlanta roster is exciting. As other said, more hype than Dallas Fuel
vagrant niche
vagrant niche
I know which skins I'm already getting first
Soldier and Tracer
then all my mains
vagrant niche
i can't forget the Torb skin as well
bold shuttle
Who does Pine main?
lyric pivot
Lol... Really?. Figgin widow
bold shuttle
😆
bold shuttle
Good to know.... Thanks
jagged crater
im so nervous for dafran
you know everyone's hyped to watch him on stage
meta doesnt even seem good for his tracer/soldier to shine
his other heroes are prob average (or below) compared to other OWL DPSes
torb tho...
karmic grotto
Dude
If he plays Torb and he kicks ass
You'll legit see me donating 20 bucks to his Livestreams
Y'all have my word
If we have uses Torb and defeats his enemies in OWL, I'll donate to his channel 20+ bucks
hidden vault
MykL has been getting many of these rumours correct
copper solstice
Wonder how NLaaeR is going to do in owl in general