Is s4 the best NA dps?
#esports-discussion
slow path
queen drift
probablyh
warped axle
Why is he not in jail?
visual glen
idk if I can link TMZ here but that's false and mykl got jebaited 
slow walrus
that video is terrible
so much filler
he's likely not in jail because whoever he abused did not press charges
short vault
balmy wolf
False alarm @balmy wolf @slow walrus @warped axle @short vault apparently all the info in that vid was lies, mykl got baited so hard
sullen berry
Lmao
Who confirmed these were fake
It's not like his entire career of speculation has been compromised, just another example of poor selection of sources
slow walrus
how silly
surreal lichen
‘Wanting to fuck a 14 year old’ aside.. Dreamkazper was the star Dps player in the Boston Uprising team. His mechanical skill carried them through stage 1,2&3
gaunt acorn
no it didn't
he only played 3 games in stage 3
their 10-win-streak was hardly attributed to him
gaunt acorn
i don't think that's true either
slow walrus
but not a carry
slow walrus
I would give way more credit to striker than to him
gaunt acorn
certainly, in that regard
slow walrus
not only for stage 3 for all of them
gaunt acorn
but dk was one of the best western dps
gaunt acorn
but he's not on shock anymore
torpid charm
queen drift
its as close to selfess as ill get 
queen drift
both were pretty damn good. Kazper was great, Mistakes was good but out of his depth experience and role wies
marsh spindle
So quick question for anyone willing to answer. I run an eSports organisation and am looking at doing an OW tournament in December. Is there a channel here I would be able to post the details when they are confirmed? Or is that a straight-up 'NO!' ?
deft valley
Contact the mods, you may be given an organizer role
with that you can post in #tournaments
if you're not approved for that then no
marsh spindle
Perfect, thank you muchly 😃
outer sorrel
@marsh spindle we can post the tournament for you if you send us the details
marsh spindle
Thanks @outer sorrel, much appreciated. I've applied for the organiser role too, but I'll drop you the details once confirmed 👌
paper crag
huh anamo for team SK
limber pine
mekO, SBB, Ark out; Fury, Fleta, Anamo in
queen drift
That’s unexpected
limber pine
maybe they expect to play a lot of pharah
both widow and tracer are being played less and less
tulip comet
I hope there is a twist like in LoL Worlds
limber pine
anything is possible
queen drift
The main problem with World Cup is that the Korean World Cup team mostly plays together and always has, year one it was lunatic hai iirc, then lunatic hai / lw blue, then this year lw blue + subs
In OWL you see teams contest with KR teams
Philly LAV
But they’re mixed rosters, have a couple Koreans + a mix of na and Eu
So individual country teams just aren’t as good as KR
limber pine
i mean, they're subbing out two NYXL players for a London and Seoul player
queen drift
Not saying it’s impossible of course, but that’s my opinion
limber pine
if that's true, now's the best time to do it
queen drift
Tbh they could have just gotten away with subbing out SBB
But iirc sbb calls
So makes sense why they’d bring in anamo, the meko change is a lil weird
pearl stratus
I'd say its not unexpected.
They went with the best possible roster.
They did not do that in Qualifiers.
Qualifiers was NYXL+Fish.
Also I love SBB.
But he's useless af in the current meta overall.
Especially when you have two huge flex like Libero and Fleta to pair with Carpe.
And while Ark is one of my favorite personalities in raw stats Anamo blew him out of the water across the board on every support in Season 1.
Anamo is low key nutty af.
Meko change makes sense because if you're not pairing him with Mano he's not as individually strong as Fury, imo.
Fury is just a monster off-tank.
Mano + Meko is what makes those two players so good, not Fate + Meko, or Mano + Fury.
Their synergy makes them world class
But thats just me.
queen drift
SBB is my favourite player and if they weren’t planning on running pharmercy id still take him over fleta
But if they’re gonna play any projectile SBB is pretty useless
pearl stratus
His hero pool is useless on the current roster.
Tracer is barely used, Widow and McCree are better played by Carpe.
And even if Tracer needs to be used, you just let Carpe do it and get better flex.
queen drift
Forgot Carpe was in sk roster tbh
pearl stratus
Yeah Carpe + Libero is probably their strongest duo, though I could see Libero + Fleta doing a lot of really stupid combinations.
limber pine
limber pine
if i were boston I'd have 4 dps on standby
grizzled trout
atl is cool
limber pine
fast basin
is Blase a good DPS?
limber pine
from what I've heard, blase and panker were the best parts of an okay team
sullen berry
@limber pine three Tanks for straya vs three dps on SK, I think both steamroller and the upset potential is very good
Its still a stacked Korean roster, don't get me wrong
Pavane will have thought through another USA vs SK match up once again
karmic grotto
SK? Well, I think USA has chance to beat them
limber pine
BEAT had an interesting mix of of playstyles. Goats, soldier/junk, pure dive, pharmacy all got playtime
the most flexible of teams are going to prosper
sombra/doom too
tawdry epoch
Maybe I just saw a rumor but I saw something about a OWL DC team? Is that true? If so I’d be stoked because I only live like 30 mins from DC
torpid charm
Yes, DC is getting a team.
sullen berry
A franchise for Washington DC does exist. They currently revealed their coach and main tank who came from NYXL
Have a look through some of their content, no team name yet but it will come soon™
https://mobile.twitter.com/overwatchdc?lang=en @tawdry epoch
hidden vault
I could see SBB and even MekO out, but Ark for Anamo came as abit of a surprise though
Fleta and Carpe could widow, Carpe could also Tracer.
Fury is probably the better off tank for this meta
Fleta Carpe Libero each of their hero pool is wide. Any duo probably covers all the dps
sullen berry
@hidden vault when you consider the patch change from groups, anamo's lucio will have more value since we aren't getting boosted jjonak
ark was he most vulnerable out of the 6 members
balmy wolf
I think that Fleta came in because of either his Sombra or DF
Kinda surprised about Ark though, I thought he was a better Lucio than anamo
sullen berry
Ark doesn't really save the team as much as lucio
Stylistically I think anamo is a better fit if you want to use a versatile main healer
queen drift
ark swaps out with sbb in most situations, less because of mechanics more because they shotcall together
they explained it in a video somewhere
drowsy fulcrum
Reminder that team USA have yet to get above 8th in a world cup event, and no USA players won a single game in the OWL Playoffs
tawdry epoch
Thanks @sullen berry I’ll check it out!
sullen berry
@drowsy fulcrum space and hydration won stage 4 playoffs under different circumstances
as poor as their off-season performance may suggest
Gladiators as first seed in stage 4 and valiant beating out nyxl at the last stage playoffs
warped axle
Man stage 1 matches are so hard to watch now
Fights never ended because of how broken mercy was
torpid charm
I haven’t looked back on any old matches but now that you say that, I’m about to
dusk hinge
that one guy was right
warped axle
And to think the two best parts of KDP are both going to be taken by 
pearl stratus
Nah.
Because Shanghai got the coach.
Which is the true best part of KDP.
And if the second rumor comes through that his assistant will be the Element Mystic coach thats going to be huge.
queen drift
im actually majorly hyped for shanghai in the coming season
their new facilities, coaches, and players
pearl stratus
I mean I just like KDP.
And Runaway.
Because it means there's potential for another random rivalry in OWL.
And rivalries are good for Hype.
pearl stratus
Dallas/Houston, LAG/LAV, I think you could claim Philly/NYXL have a pretty solid one at this point with their histories/games. LAV/Shock now because of the California cup
queen drift
NYXL / Seoul have a decent one, with what the players say about really wanting to beat seoul
but its more one sidedd
pearl stratus
I feel like LAG and Seoul will have one going into season 2 just with the whole fissure thing
sullen berry
chinese teams can totally buy themselves a korean contenders narrative
if it is confirm vancouver's roster is indeed the majority of the runaway players
I am really looking forward to the new faces in the pacific division
atlantic had their time to shine, broadly speaking
gaunt acorn
seems to be the case, yes
gaunt acorn
sullen berry
why would shanghai want to go for LW Blue
not that they couldn't, but there was no guarantee unless they had their top chinese player base involved
sullen berry
simply by grinding, U4 was convinced roshan could throw himself into a fight and let diya/undead just pop on them
the original coach was near delusional
part of that was because they never recruited the best team
queen drift
well ye u4 was literally boosted
sullen berry
and would make strategies that never suited the enemy teams or to their player's strengths
if they had any energy to play by game day
pearl stratus
I was more saying they have the currency to have whatever they want.
queen drift
hes saying if shanghai wanted to they could just buy nyxl
gaunt acorn
i'm countering that with nyxl could afford to keep their established roster regardless of any offers shanghai could make
limber pine
limber pine
android or apple?
warm quartz
O wO
torpid charm
Shit I was just about to ask y’all about that
ruby pendant
Lol, would believe these mistakes if they didn't happen too much!
gaunt acorn
android @limber pine
limber pine
yeah same
gaunt acorn
i can try to record it
warm quartz
Atlanta Reign
Doesn’t have as nice of a ring to it as the existing teams
Being blunt
torpid charm
Everything is fire af except the name
warm quartz
Like its a great name but it doesn’t roll off the tongue easily
warm quartz
But it at least has a rhythm to it
When you say New York Excelsior it has a rhythm
Atlanta Reign really doesnt
It just sounds odd to me
They could’ve done the Atlanta 🍑 lul
torpid charm
Atlanta Peaches or bust
limber pine
Atlanta Rain
warm quartz
It does rain a lot there
torpid charm
They’re official announcement stuff is on the 23rd right?
limber pine
yes
torpid charm
Oh shit it is the 23rd
warm quartz
Yep
limber pine
yes, but i'd imagine they though it'd happen differently
limber pine
this isn't an announcement
warm quartz
Probably an accidental leak
warm quartz
As blizzard execs flip out and scream delet
Nb4 its a red herring name
And its actually the Atlanta Spartans or some shit
torpid charm
Atlanta Red Birds
warm quartz
oh god no thats our thing
(STL)
You cant take that
You already took the Rams
Atlanta Omnics 🤔
slow walrus
is the new SHD team all Korean? lol
slow walrus
I wonder if he can speak korean
slow walrus
interesting
also kinda funny
I guess there's what 2 or 3 new chinese teams that can pick up chinese players
but then again it's not like london spitfire has british people on it
somehow I kinda feel like it should at least have a couple? idk
sullen berry
idk man, seems like shanghai have both learned their lesson and are also set in their ways
only once they commence the regular season will we have a strong indication of where they stack
if their korean roster still doesn't net them results (and if any of the community discussion here during stage 4 was super valid)
gaunt acorn
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dkb5n-fW0AEEkOs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkQzd7xUcAA0OO3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkIBoOTXgAA3IqF.jpg
any of these would've looked better
imo
gaunt acorn
atlanta picked a rather boring red/black/white
sullen berry
it's a lighter, charcoal style gray/grey?
fan designs never looked into the away skins
or shareholders
not even sure they have an impact but they may have select interest in branding
torpid charm
Okay now that you pulled up the fan concepts, I agree, Dray
queen drift
resurgence font logo & name, ascension colours
Also I don't think they'll put anything from the game itself into owl branding
replying to Atlanta Omnics
nova wadi
do pros still have a restriction on with how many people that can stack?
nova wadi
hmm okay then people are talking out of their ass i guess.
gaunt acorn
i mean it was a rule at like the start of the season
then some things changed behind the scenes
and they started stacking together
idk maybe there's still a clause that they can't 6-stack or whatever
that never really occurs anyways
but the original "nothing beyond duos" is long gone
queen drift
@gaunt acorn Paris announced
I got pinged but I can’t read the post because my phone is making me want to die
gaunt acorn
queen drift
Damn so the leaks are looking good
warped axle
I'm not European but I'm going to be rooting for Paris so hard
Soon and Shadowburn on the same team 
with BENBEST, DANYE, and KRUISE
woeful portal
That roster honestly does look pretty nice
warped axle
They basically just took all the best European free agents and made a super team
woeful portal
so nice to finally see nico in the official owl scene too
hidden vault
Hmm Soon and Nico
How many of them are french?
What about winz?
Isn't he a free agent too lmao
warped axle
Some people on reddit are saying they should pick up winz or greyy as their third support
woeful portal
I'm kind of surprised winz is nowhere on there either
bleak ocean
everything in #esports-news, is there a bot that does that or do the people who post in there do all that themselves?
queen drift
It’s Dray and Spriteguy
They’re people
Well I mean they’re pretty much bots but they’re people
trim wadi
DC pls announce brand 🙏🏾
ashen kindle
I need Vancouver news
trim wadi
Well atleast 1 Canadian team is announce stuff soon
Toronto is gonna reveal their brand live
ashen kindle
Toronto is on the wrong coast for me to root for them
I hope Vancouver runaways is for real
woeful portal
vancouver runaways would be insane
seeing haksal compete in the owl in particular would be really interesting for me
trim oar
Anyone know if the owl Atlanta team roster been released yet
gaunt acorn
hidden vault
So the leak is real
vagrant jacinth
Can't wait for owl to return 
trim wadi
Lets go DC 
we have no logo yet so heres the blank
pearl stratus
Jake + ZP and Uber+Mr.X casting for OWWC at Blizzcon.
balmy wolf
no monte and doa combo ):
karmic grotto
Paris team will be interesting. Can't wait for the matches to start next year!
pearl stratus
Honestly new Shanghai is exciting for me just because I like where the team came from.
Same if we find out that most of Runaway is stuck together.
That's an instant fan for me, because I really enjoy watching Runaway play.
hidden vault
Runaway should play in a pink themed team:(
limber pine
pearl stratus
limber pine
copper solstice
What is with all these new team names becoming like medieval
limber pine
#TorontoTowers
lilac atlas
To counter the weebs
copper solstice
Reign colors really good
limber pine
lilac atlas
Imagine what the jerseys look like
copper solstice
Reminds me of Pokémon go team logo but it’s really good
limber pine
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/9qr195/massive_leak_from_4chan_toronto_venom/
trim wadi
RIP the announcement
umbral dew
Edgy
verbal roost
Nice@venom
karmic grotto
Nice black colors
pearl stratus
Btw if anyone apparently didn't know: Guxue on top of being just an angry monster of a tank also speaks basic (edit) Korean.
warped axle
I'm amazed that there wasn't any bid going on for him
I guess no one knew he spoke Korean
ember jewel
Most of the mixed teams favored players who had experience on mixed rosters, like Swon and Smurf
pearl stratus
Apparently he plays on the Korean servers in China quite often, so I doubt it was a secret.
My guess is Guanzhou came in with a solid offer quickly, trying not to dilly dally and locked it.
Best way to prevent a bidding war is to be the only bid.
sullen berry
Me too
Right now it only puts pressure to have a really good team at hand
when they may probably have the best ones under their belt
At this rate, last minute leak before an official announcement is the only gauge before I know what their roster is going to turn out for pre
pearl stratus
Well the newest leak out of Korea is that two westerners qualified for one of the three chinese teams, but not which one.
So we could even see GZ picking up westerners.
Or it could be HZ
limber pine
One is likely Silkthread
in fact, it's almost certain
It'll be super interesting to see who the other may be
pearl stratus
Silkthread is a great pick up for any team honestly.
I feel like he's been done dirty in OWL so far.
Bilingual high skill flex.
Bigger hero pool than Agilities with lower peaks, so it made sense to keep Agilities if you were only able to assign coaching resources to one player.
But I think LAG dropped the ball because of their line up with Surefour
slow walrus
? agilities is on valiant
slow walrus
weird I don't remember that lol there's so much to keep track of
pearl stratus
Yeah, he and Agilities were being rotated pretty often in Stage 1 /2.
But they could only devote resources to one of them
slow walrus
I figured he was free agent now
pearl stratus
And they picked Agilities.
slow walrus
LAG has surefour and who else for dps now?
pearl stratus
Hydration
slow walrus
right
pearl stratus
Who, I'll be honest, I don't think is that great.
He's amazing when he's on.
But he's not consistently on.
slow walrus
And they currently have like no main tank right?
queen drift
Panker panker panker
pearl stratus
But as of right now, no.
queen drift
gido's still a FA right
warped axle
r/cow
woeful portal
Ooooooo
pearl stratus
Mostly memory and a few posts.
I think Gido would be better on Toronto.
I'm not a fan of how DC has been publically so far.
I feel like they're going to have some issues inter-organization.
Not the players themselves.
Just org issues.
woeful portal
Who else does toronto supposedly have?
queen drift
r/owtmz 👀
limber pine
woeful portal
YO
pearl stratus
Right now the biggest thing I want to know.
warped axle
Asher and Envy are rumored to be on Toronto
pearl stratus
Is if Shanghai got their second coach or not.
woeful portal
thank you hypeghoul
warped axle
Some others too
limber pine
not mine, but you're welcome
pearl stratus
Because if Shanghai picks up Element Mystics Coach for their assistant.
Thats a hard GG.
warped axle
28-0 
pearl stratus
Nah, but they'll be solid.
I actually think they'll be better than the two KDP people who were sold off solo.
Because part of KDP and Runaways success is that roster cohesion.
Shanghai maintained most of the cohesion, and the same coach.
Diya has some basic korean down too, so he'll be another hitscan option soon enough.
queen drift
Toronto looks kinda meh
pearl stratus
Especially because lowkey Diya is stronger than Diem.
But Diem has the comms right now.
warped axle
Florida, Toronto, DC, Chengdu bottom 4 tbh
warped axle
Not sure about HZ, Seoul, SFS
queen drift
I doubt Florida will be bottom 4
pearl stratus
As of right now they havent' shown good enough signings that I think they'll be above it.
And in all honestly Misfits is mismanaging the shit out of the org.
Lets be honest.
queen drift
yeah
limber pine
I think it's likely a majority of the bottom four will be expansion teams
queen drift
Florida have a decent team, and half of them have OWL experience
limber pine
SoOn and SDB are good enough to win them some games
queen drift
so i cant see them being bottom four tbh
limber pine
i don't think they'll be bottom
pearl stratus
Yeah, but I think the inflexibility of the two (so far shown) will hurt Paris a bit.
queen drift
below mid pack
queen drift
SoOn is fine, SDB is a problem
limber pine
yup everybody has 4 months to get ready
pearl stratus
Florida worries me for their flex, tbh.
queen drift
Apply/TviQ?
pearl stratus
Yeah. TviQ, even with OWL experience, is a very weak flex.
queen drift
I don't know much about apply, but TviQ is big washed
pearl stratus
I want to see which expansion team gets Runaway, because thats going to be the one expansion team I don't expect to struggle at all.
Since Runaway was already equal or better to midpack OWL teams imo.
warped axle
Vancouver will be upper mid tier
queen drift
They'll finish midpack first season i think, season 3 they'll be pretty damn good
warped axle
Depends on if they sign the Runaway coach
pearl stratus
That's if Vancouver gets Runaway, yeah.
With all the drama around that deal I just have no clue anymore lol
Fucking mykL.
warped axle
Where else would they go at this point?
warped axle
Vancouver hasn't had any other leaks
pearl stratus
I mean they could be broken apart for all we know.
I doubt it, but it could happen.
queen drift
I'm really worried fans will overhype neo runaway
limber pine
Flowervin said that all of RunAway had signed their contracts well before mykL said there were issues
pearl stratus
I think its 95% likely it'll be Vancouver, but I'm not counting anything yet.
limber pine
^
queen drift
they deserve the hype but if they place midpack which is likely, or even worse, it'll destroy the players morale :/
pearl stratus
Also I feel like going into Season 2 there's like.. 3 existing teams that are basically in the same spot as expansion teams.
Seoul, Shanghai and Florida dumped so much of their roster they're basically new teams.
Seoul being in the best spot of all of them.
Since they at least picked up OWL tank, etc, etc.
queen drift
Oh shit what
limber pine
Seoul's core unit is still there at least
woeful portal
Do you think boston is looking like a lower level team atm?
pearl stratus
No.
warped axle
No, mid or,upper mid
pearl stratus
Boston kept its tanks+supports+striker
Which is arguable the most important is having your front and back line.
They lost Neko, which sucks, but Aimgod had a better field presence than Neko.
warped axle
When they sign Axxiom Colourhex and maaaaaaaybe Asking they'll look good
warped axle
Neko leaving is not confirmed
limber pine
Asking looks pretty legit
pearl stratus
I wouldn't be surprised either way, Boston was very vocal about letting him try out.
Neko is more about do expansion teams need/want him.
Than whether or not Boston is trying to keep him.
Honestly though I'm really disappointed in Florida not getting a new coach.
I don't think Mineral has been effective at all in OWL or in OWWC.
It's interesting.
I think coaching swaps may be the biggest impact of Season 2 more so than any of the player signings.
woeful portal
I think I’ve generally heard mixed reviews about mineral as a coach for florida
Idk much about his strategy though
pearl stratus
r/cow drives me nuts.
"Will Chipsajen get back into pro!"
No.
Chipsajen is more washed up than the shore line.
Stop trying to make Chips happen.
pearl stratus
He just rages.
queen drift
poor miku
Taimou's hog is decent, his widow is ok, everything else is just kinda fallen off
Mickie is a brig bot
and Harry hardly speaks english anymore
pearl stratus
You know who looks decent for Envy still, despite him quitting forever ago, is Talespin.
Now that he's back in Contenders he still looks really good.
queen drift
I haven't seen much of him tbh, wasn't he a pharah otp?
pearl stratus
He could play more but his Pharah was definitely his best hero.
queen drift
pre-contenders
pearl stratus
He was someone Nanohana used to gush over like crazy for his Pharah.
queen drift
i find it odd the amount of korean pros that look up to western pros
birdring and seagull, flower and talespin
warped axle
Atlanta looks like a total wild card
pearl stratus
I mean on a one to one the skill gap isn't -that- big like people pretend it is.
queen drift
Atlanta looks great
warped axle
Like Philly 2.0
pearl stratus
Atlanta is the make or break for mykL leaks.
queen drift
Dafran, Gator, Kodak and Sephy are all great
pearl stratus
Because if you're wrong about Dafran, Atlanta has a garbage dps line up
And they'll fail.
queen drift
yeah
pearl stratus
I mean theres a 75% chance they'll fail with Dafran
Since he'll get himself suspended I'm sure.
warped axle
I'm trying to be realistic about Dafran
warped axle
Even if he makes it things won't necessarily be perfect
pearl stratus
But its more likely he'll get himself suspended by being a moron.
warped axle
Just Like xQc
queen drift
I want Atlanta to be what Shock should have been
pearl stratus
I think Shock is looking good coming into Season 2.
Once they work Smurf in and Super out etc.
Sinatraa + Architect + Rascal is going to be a fun dps trio.
Babybay exists, but fuck that guy.
queen drift
I have a love hate relationship with babybay
pearl stratus
Smurf + ChoiHyoBin/Nevixx will be fine.
queen drift
I hate his history, I hate how he looks (nitpicky i know), i dont like his playstyle, i dont really like him much
pearl stratus
Super didn't live up to his hype, so I'm not sad to see him benched.
queen drift
but i watch his stream sometimes
and i cant help but like him when he talks
it makes me mad 😠
pearl stratus
And they've still got Crusty.
So I think Shock has a decent chance to be higher tier in Season 2.
woeful portal
do you think you're gonna be an atlanta fan fox?
queen drift
If they sign Dafran yes
I'm a massive Selfless and LW Blue fan
It's a bit upsetting that only Selfless' DPS are still in OWL
but it makes ssense
woeful portal
isnt LW blue what nyxl is now more or less?
queen drift
yep
queen drift
Yep
Sinatraa, DhaK, Sephy are the only ones who transitioned to OWL
All to shock
Michael3D, dhaK, Dafran, Sinatraa, Kresnik and Emongg was the ore roster
core
limber pine
liquipedia said Kresnik retired to go play competitive Paladins
queen drift
look at this fine specimen
woeful portal
I don't see sephy on the google doc for the team rosters for sf
queen drift
He's not there anymore
limber pine
cus he's with ATL
queen drift
he was there, now hes at Atlanta
woeful portal
o wtf
queen drift
I love selfess purely because of how mechanically insane they were
They were able to play so agressive simply bc the players were just so goodf
warped axle
Selfless is where ThrowForDafran happened
pearl stratus
Not sure who I would have grabbed.
pearl stratus
Toronto eSports has been doing weird stuff with the contenders team either way imo.
warped axle
I feel like Boston has been pressuring them to do things like this
pearl stratus
I like how boston handles their pick ups, but they're not the same without Crusty. They need a new high IQ coach
From their point of view though Dalton is probably just a Blase replacement.
Since they have pretty identical pools.
verbal roost
a little
woeful portal
i could see it
also, does anyone know if leave is rumored to be playing in owl this season?
warped axle
Too young
pearl stratus
Leave is like.. 16.
Chinese players use two ages and it confuses everyone.
They use a chinese age and a global age, iirc.
warped axle
👽
forest raven
We're getting a proper spec mode 
woeful portal
so sick
magic zinc
Yooo thats really exciting
hidden osprey
We CSGO now boys
magic zinc
I hope people wont blame this spectator map for the fact that there wont be a map at Blizzcon 
They're different devs/teams pls
deft valley
if people are suprised there won't be a map they don't remember last year
Blizzard "64 days on PTR" World
i bet the actual release will be around the same time as last year, it will just be announced later
hidden osprey
"Expect buffs for Reaper, Roadhog, Symmetra, and Mercy in patch 1.30"
Can't wait for people to overreact with the Mercy changes
deft valley
it's already posted
her valkyrie charge is shorter and she heals 60 in it
which is
fine i guess
hidden osprey
cool
magic zinc
Its nice to cement her as an off-healer I think as usually those ults are more team-saving
magic zinc
Its... better at least
Rather they do this than something like instant resses at least
balmy wolf
toronto venom, atlanta reign. Any other logo leaks/announcements?
queen drift
Not yet
limber pine
GZ is possibly something storm related
but i don't know if the others have even hinted at anything
gaunt acorn
vancouver branding will almost certainly be the canucks colours (green/blue/white)
can't speak for their logo/name atm
but fairly likely to be aquatic-related
torpid charm
GZ being storm related makes sense because of their video @ all the teams in the league
Guangzhou Typhoon
queen drift
I like Guangzhou Crash
gaunt acorn
Chengdu Chinese Communist Party Members
@north beacon we don't need a 4th californian team lol
north beacon
It works for other sports just fine
gaunt acorn
other sports are rarely international
north beacon
CA is massive
north beacon
I mean the next expansion will likely also include teams from Asia and Europe
gaunt acorn
i don't see a 4th californian team happening
is all i'm saying
i'm sure they'll add some more american teams
e.g. chicago
north beacon
Chicago is likely. But so are any of the largest cities
queen drift
there are ALREADY more teams in california than the entirety of EU
they dont need another
jovial jewel
any atlanta reign fans in the chat 
worn falcon
warped axle
vagrant niche
1OHHHHH
my baois
what's that i heard about no more TTours
we getting live matches now
time to see what the pros do on first person view
i can't wait to see a full first person AKM blade
torpid charm
warped axle
AKM blade at quarter speed
hidden vault
Full genji blade:)
mossy bone
Atlanta’s team colors look like the heaven guard skins from csgo
woeful portal
those are atlanta's official colors?
mossy bone
Like gray and darkish red
mossy bone
I mean those are kinda ok
queen drift
they're the official ones
woeful portal
good looks @queen drift
I'm kinda indifferent
don't love it but don't hate it either yk
gaunt acorn
not my favourite
queen drift
the colours dont really have anything to do with the teams, though
seoul isnt red white and blue
neither is london
gaunt acorn
i think it's the colours in tandem with the bird
which is reminiscient of both poland and austria
queen drift
poland is a bird place?
sullen berry
I thought that was a dragon
gaunt acorn
verbal roost
griffon?
woeful portal
I think the color scheme can be cool but I'm not the biggest fan of the displayed skins for some reason
I'm excited to see vancouver's tho
gaunt acorn
@woeful portal vancouver will probably be this
alternatively, green could be the primary colour with blue as the secondary colour
if their twitter is anything to go off..
like this
woeful portal
I heard about that, and tbh i think that color scheme could be so clean if they do it right hahah @gaunt acorn
gaunt acorn
i like the canuck colour so i'd be happy about it
woeful portal
Can’t wait to see how it turns out
gaunt acorn
the whitecaps have pretty cool colours too
woeful portal
ESPECIALLY the away skins
woeful portal
Yeah I figure the home would just concentrate on the green and blue
Probably with a green primary
Only because we already have a good amount of blues?
gaunt acorn
whitecaps aren't owned by the aquilinis anyways
so the canucks tie-in is obvious
which i'm fine with
i think green-primary-blue-seconday is the more likely option, based on their twitter branding
so this
not bad
gaunt acorn
i still have a plushie of the middle one
woeful portal
How do you think a Vancouver runaways team would fare against teams like NY and London?
gaunt acorn
i think they're inherently at a disadvantage
runaway won korean contenders, but that isn't saying much
vs teams that had a year of experience in OWL
with top-tier support staff, coaches
training regimen
facilities
vancouver will probably start as a mid-tier team
hopefully with some intense coaching they can shine
but imo, anyone who says they currently stand a chance of winning stage playoffs or being top-tier in OWL is a bit deluded
they're essentially a year behind every already-established team
will vancouver fare better than the 7 other new teams? definitely possible
but immediately being on par with london, etc i don't see happening
maybe by the latter half of the season.. we'll see
sullen berry
folks more optimistic like myself that they will be up there
are going based off a full team roster
gaunt acorn
london is also a full team roster.. difference being they had a year of OWL experience/training (and won the inaugural season)
seems like false equivalence
sullen berry
I would think their success in s2 comes down to how resolute their earlier issues were that plagued them as a team that underperformed during apex
gaunt acorn
could vancouver challenge the existing top-tier teams? sure
will they immediately? no
gaunt acorn
keep in mind all the OWL teams scrimmed against each other for the entire first season
runaway only scrimmed against other contenders teans and some open division teams
hidden vault
I think the positions would shift like in season 1, no team is gonna stay bottom or hold their spot forever
sullen berry
^
gaunt acorn
sk wasn't exactly playing to win
woeful portal
I really hope that some of these newer teams can turn heads and break the mold
Even if things are messy for them at the start, there’s always hope that they’ll have evolved their strategy enough to succeed come playoffs
Provided any of them make it that far
gaunt acorn
we can only hope
a good start would be hiring a strong support staff core, especially those with previous experience in OWL
i don't think we know much about vancouver's current coach/support staff
woeful portal
Who would you have in mind?
gaunt acorn
not sure, honestly
it depends on who is looking for a new team
dc already bought wizardhyeong 
woeful portal
yeahhhhh DC is a really confusing team for me rn
lmfao
like their roster just looks so...strange
gaunt acorn
i agree
i think they spent more than they intended on wizardhyeong + janus
then kind of scrambled to balance the budget and pick up the rest of their roster
viscid flame
DC honestly doesn't look as bad as it could have given the money issues they had.
gaunt acorn
not horrible
viscid flame
Corey, Fahzix and Ado are all good players with a lot of potential the coaching staff can draw out, Sansam and Gido are the biggest question marks
viscid flame
I mean even if they totally shit the bed they're like already still better than two teams by default
gaunt acorn
which two teams
shanghai doesn't look like a joke anymore
florida basically went full-korean
viscid flame
Florida went full Korean with some of the worst Korean free agents they could have gotten and with the same coaches as last season, and Chengdu are rumored to be going full Chinese/Pac but without the best Chinese players like Guxue/Diya/Krystal
So those two will probs be their easiest wins
gaunt acorn
we'll see
viscid flame
SHD does look really good tho tbh, Fearless and Guardian are pog.
gaunt acorn
isn't silkthread on chengdu
viscid flame
I'm not sure if it's Chengdu or GZ
queen drift
Silks twitter bio would make sense then
queen drift
Also for people saying runaway winning KR contenders makes them a higher caliber owl team
That was after like a year of the best players and teams being poached
hidden vault
Ted wang is chinese right?
sullen berry
silkthread? yep https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Silkthread
hidden vault
I see why chengdu wants him
But I would rather they go full chinese
Florida is left with TVIQ the weakest flex
Might as well go full Korean
Same goes for SHD who left with Diya
woeful portal
Yeah I was kinda confused as to why they left tviq in particular
Like I get the rationale obviously but I would think there are better flex players in the f/a pool
sullen berry
without diya, tviq, surefour and the like
it probably leads to identity loss
some might say without soon, that would also be the case
hidden vault
speaking of soon I was surprised that he left
But I think Soon would be alot more looked up to in Paris
I don't think Soon is the center piece of Lav, there's Agilities Space Fate Kariv... whoa re also pretty well known
Surefour, I would agree
but Diya and TVIQ just looks like they are the only ones left in their original teams
that's so sad
woeful portal
Yeah, it might be for the best though in terms of finding teams that really work well together
queen drift
balmy wolf
Wait do we know the DC roster?
sullen berry
that korean twitch link is still going btw
i see blossom
i see potential in 2 contenders seasons from now
limber pine
given an ATL announcement yesterday and a TO one today, it's possible we'll see DC either tomorrow or Friday
deft valley
paris revealed roster but not team details
pearl stratus
Not super surprising, and while I like contenders I think a collegiate league is better overall for players as well
pearl stratus
Oh, all white? I dunno.
gaunt acorn
funny
pearl stratus
Probably just a standard blue and red with some white highlighting tbh
sullen berry
well mayhem and dragons could coexist
gaunt acorn
they don't look the same
sullen berry
granted the extra accent color for shanghai used black
gaunt acorn
they don't both use red as primary
gaunt acorn
fake
sullen berry
it's a black and silver, sure
gaunt acorn
stop posting fake news
limber pine
gaunt acorn
owner is a troll
sullen berry
didn't someone say you took it down ages ago lol
gaunt acorn
baiting
limber pine
Lazer is a fun guy
gaunt acorn
guarantee that's not it
limber pine
talked to him a little bit in verifying his account
gaunt acorn
GUARANTEE
limber pine
he seems cool
north tendon
so is the beta feature for the world cup viewer out yet?
pearl stratus
I don't think so.
limber pine
it'll reside in the launcher, so it won't be out until you get a bnet launcher update
me thinks
north tendon
ah yeah, im not on that platform but havent seen any videos
pearl stratus
I'm a little hyped for it honestly.
I'm always waiting for it to make it into Season 2 of OWL, obviously.
pearl stratus
And for people to suddenly realize just how easy it is to miss all the shit.
limber pine
it's what the all access pass should have been in the first place
north tendon
^
limber pine
according to many
north tendon
that multiview was so awful
limber pine
yeah it was not great
pearl stratus
It wasn't great, it wasn't the worst. I just wish they allowed you to drag and drop different cameras.
I didn't want to look at a bunch of people sitting at a computer.
If I could like main screen the desk, and off screen the casters I would have been fine.
They're looking to add it into the base game too, at least for the replays.
Which should be nice.
north tendon
yeah
just giving people options
I will mostly use it when I get tilted in an easy comp win situation and wonder how the fuck we lost that
then again im surprised if they give us all povs
since they seem to care about sensitive people
pearl stratus
Obligatory "Get fucked console" comment.
north tendon
im not sure what you are trying to say
this is a global issue
or you mean the beta
pearl stratus
Oh, the beta and stuff is PC only
north tendon
oh yeah, definitely
pearl stratus
Honestly the biggest thing I care about is that top down viewer option. It's so nice while viewing.
north tendon
its usually pretty clear enough to get the gist of things
pearl stratus
For me its huge in dissecting plays, its a good teaching tool for positioning etc.
pearl stratus
Well editing links doesn't work, try 2.
Espn leaking Goldenboys news before he even can. Rip.
limber pine
good for GB
limber pine
Twitter
balmy wolf
When is the Toronto launch in BST time because they didn’t specify a timezone
sullen berry
In a couple hours, you reckon?
copper solstice
Yeah in 6 more hours I think
copper solstice
You mean 6 hours
limber pine
no Eastern Daylight time
copper solstice
This was posted at 6pmEST yesterday https://twitter.com/torontoowl/status/1054860049963761666?s=21
So I would assume it’s est 6 pm
balmy wolf
Ye it’s 11 BST
limber pine
woeful portal
what team is he from?
torpid charm
limber pine
Viol2t is from O2 Ardeont
slow walrus
that's cool
pearl stratus
Side e-sport note but Dafran already got banned again for Torb 😛
Only 24 hours though, kind of hilarious how your reputation follows.
limber pine
no he was playing TB
pearl stratus
Not even a little bit.
But its a matter of reputation - Seagull was doing the exact same thing.
But Seagull has a reputation for playing weird shit and doing okay with them after a while.
Dafran has a reputation for picking off-meta to troll or throw.
So Seagull gets avoided.
While Dafran gets reported.
`Seagull-
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I've played 7 games on my torb account (2 hours total). Chances are I'll get an avoid warning once I play more games just like what happened when I was grinding sym to get good at her. And if I get reported enough I'd probably get auto-suspended just like all the one-tricks have dealt with, it happens.
People are acting there's some sort of "report whitelist" and therefore reports don't work on me, but I have a LOT of accounts and that's some crazy shit.
More likely people see dafran on torb and they think he's throwing and insta report because of his history.
I also think people don't report me as much because I'm known for picking a lot of off-meta heroes and I typically do pretty well with them so people cut me more slack. I'll usually get mass avoided for a week or so until I'm good at a new hero, but rarely mass reported.`
woeful portal
That's insane
pearl stratus
It's just how reputations work in an automated system.
Player 1 has a history of just being a good guy who plays off-meta.
Player 2 has a history of throwing with off-meta.
pearl stratus
Twitter