And yeah ^.
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
hidden vault
he has an ridiculously bad acne
pearl stratus
It's why I barely read his leaks because he'd talk about how the OWL mops weren't wet enough to clean the arena if it got him views.
queen drift
cmon you can hate someone for what they say or how they act but dont insult acne
he cant do much about that
gaunt acorn
queen drift
you can have legitimate points for disliking mykl
hidden vault
hmm? what a legitimate leak on mops
forest raven
Like not paying Kungarna players
pearl stratus
I'm interested to see if Optic even has the money for new pick ups now that they dropped their top financial backing
The dude only tried to kill his wife with a hammer. Not worth losing the money imo.
gaunt acorn
4head? 
pearl stratus
Second part was definitely sarcasm.
gaunt acorn
optic is very mildly on fire
pearl stratus
Yeah but thats what happened. They expanded too fast and losing that financial backing sucks.
gaunt acorn
budget cuts and firings
forest raven
Yikes
pearl stratus
Optic cut ties with its largest financial backer.
gaunt acorn
they fired a ton of people
pearl stratus
When he tried to murder his wife with a hammer.
forest raven
pearl stratus
That part wasn't a joke.
forest raven
You don't mean H3cz right
pearl stratus
No Steven Hays or whatever.
lilac atlas
What he is one of the owners
pearl stratus
Deep Space Ventures.
forest raven
O ic
gaunt acorn
stop. hammer time
lilac atlas
Kyky got fired....
pearl stratus
gaunt acorn
yes kyky got fired 
queen drift
pearl stratus
I mean that's standard though.
He was the most recent pick up.
And thats usually first to get fired in cuts.
But yeah, he was a cofounder. Lots of money into the system.
Cut ties, no more money
queen drift
do OWL orgs have to pay like a season fee for playing or is it the one off at the start
queen drift
yeah i know
im saying like
will there be any repurcussions from this to Houston
other than not being able to hire anyone else
pearl stratus
If they lack enough funding they'll probably sell the spot.
It's why everyone was forced to do city identities not org identities.
So if you ran out of money and sold it everything stays the same.
lilac atlas
No, they have sponsors
gaunt acorn
the entry fee wasn't paid in bulk
forest raven
Yeah no down payment
gaunt acorn
it'll likely be paid off over a few years
forest raven
Long term investment and shit
pearl stratus
Yeah, they could theoretically debunk on their franchise payments at which point they sell Houston to other people etc.
forest raven
More financial buzzwords that idk the meaning of
pearl stratus
Everything, most likely, stays the same for Houston minus the owner group.
queen drift
so lets say optic problems snowball and by half way through season 2 they cant afford to own Houston anymore
what happens
pearl stratus
They'd sell it to someone else.
gaunt acorn
the league assumes interim ownership until a new sponsor signs on
queen drift
and players have to sign new contracts with the new org?
pearl stratus
If it works like other sports, which seems to be how they set it up, the league takes it over until a new owner group is found
pearl stratus
Their contract would be to Houston, not to Optic.
queen drift
ahh
pearl stratus
So whether Blizzard has to take it over for a few months, or it goes right to a new owner group everything stays the same for the players pretty much minus any extra perks the owner group provided.
Like say it happened to Philly.
They'd probably lose Chef Heidi.
Since thats the orgs choice to have a chef.
Not league mandated, etc.
lilac atlas
Honestly, this would happened if Infinite was in ruins. But i think the situation is settling down now
pearl stratus
Yeah - Flame explained it pretty well honestly. They set it up so the owner groups don't matter.
It's not London C9 because if C9 fails and sells off you don't want the new buyer group being C9 because C9 is still an actual thing.
There was a method to the madness for the silly non-specific names from a sports franchising point of view.
queen drift
ye i got that bit, I just wasnt aware that contracts and such go to the franchise rather than directly to the org
pearl stratus
But now I get to be a Railgun fan, because Railgun is an amazing team name.
gaunt acorn
unique
forest raven
Nah railgun is p lit
gaunt acorn
isn't it a reference to some anime
gaunt acorn
the same one bilibili is named after
since they're the investor
yeah it is i think
queen drift
railgun just reminds me of blackrock
gaunt acorn
i don't know anime but it is an anime thing
pearl stratus
I think they just had a poll of like 8 names.
And that one won the poll.
Not sure if it was meant as a specific reference.
forest raven
Well railgun is still p cool
gaunt acorn
yeah but they chose the names for the poll
gaunt acorn
chinese weebs 
hope their colours are cool i guess
show us branding already
anyone, please
forest raven
Is there a black/red team yet
queen drift
uncomfirmed but likely
forest raven
Sweet
pearl stratus
Also I know China basically started a psuedo-arms race with the US over railguns.
pearl stratus
We were talking about outfitting ships with one, then China popped up one day testing one.
So it could be a reference to that.
forest raven
Blue/black 
gaunt acorn
vancouver will be blue/green/white
gaunt acorn
forest raven
Toxic
queen drift
good job
hidden vault
I like teams with gold
GOLD and WHITE PLS
we have GOLD and BLACK
but white is an away colour
WHY
queen drift
white is away for every team
hidden vault
yes
gaunt acorn
yes
pearl stratus
I honestly just want them to get rid of their yellow choices for ALL teams.
They chose the most abrasive yellows possible visually.
forest raven
Make Florida Mayhem Outrun Again
queen drift
yes
pearl stratus
Switch Shanghai over to a strict black and red.
queen drift
miami vice lets go
pearl stratus
Give Mayhem their Vice colors.
Don't even care.
Just get rid of the yellow colors.
pearl stratus
Yellow should be reserved for Swedish flag color skins for Torb and Brigitte
pearl stratus
I mean gold isn't yellow, imo. But thats being pedantic.
gaunt acorn
yes it is
queen drift
soul was likely a premium franchise tho
gaunt acorn
hm
queen drift
seoul
pearl stratus
I tend to only buy Seoul/Houston/LAG skins though because on average they just translate so well to the skins.
gaunt acorn
premium how
forest raven
Glads 4 lyfe tbh
pearl stratus
I also only use my OWL skins on heroes that I don't like their random skins on - so like Glad D'va, and Seoul Brigitte.
It was Houston Pharah, but then they gave us the Enchanted Armor skin which is lit af.
queen drift
premium as in they knew multiple apex teams were coming in
and if what susie kim said is right about having specific durisdiction over your franchise area
those korean orgs would pay a lot
gaunt acorn
oh well yeah
forest raven
But then you gotta have seoul skins
torpid charm
I think I have a Seoul skin
queen drift
i have nyxl for all my mains, gonna get Atlanta next if dafran is true
torpid charm
I didn’t feel like buying anymore Philly skins so I was like “Seoul Zarya? Why not.” Now I never use it
pearl stratus
I'm already plotting out a betting square of how long it takes Dafran to get banned if its true.
Well suspended.
But yeah.
hidden vault
shinning metallic blue?
queen drift
i doubt he will get suspended unless its for something hes already done
pearl stratus
Oh I'm sure he'll have an incoming ban
Just for getting suspended from contenders for being an idiot.
gaunt acorn
let's go dude
pearl stratus
But thats just keeping things fair since OGE/Sado had theirs.
gaunt acorn
no surprise really
pearl stratus
I think it depends, on if its true, on how strongly they word his ethics/streaming clause.
After the xQc/EQO stuff I forsee most orgs completely reworking their ethics clause.
To suspend/fine/release players easily and not pay them, and to control their streaming.
At least it wouldn't surprise me
queen drift
i honestly think that everything with xQc was way overdone by the league
forest raven
Dallas were the ones that suspended him for a stage
pearl stratus
I think xQc was more on Dallas than OWL though.
Either they didn't enforce support for him, or didn't offer it.
forest raven
The league itself suspended him for like two or four games
queen drift
both then
queen drift
yeah agreed but thats still mistreatment of a player in my eyes
pearl stratus
I don't actually think either of the suspensions against xQc were wrong.
The tri-hard/racist thing was stupid and whatever, but also not the only negative speech part he got in trouble for. That's just what his twitch chat latched onto.
He also called the entire desk retards, which is the actual stem of his suspension if I was to guess.
Since you don't want to insult the league that employs you 😛
queen drift
Didnt know about the retards bit, but imo that and the muma thing were the only actual things he did wrong
pearl stratus
I mean his second one was for what.. four games? That's not bad at all. Two weeks basically.
queen drift
more the 1 stage one
pearl stratus
Well yeah, second offense.
It'd be stupid if the penalty didn't increase.
Actually no it wasn't.
His stage 1 suspension was four games as well.
They only increase the fine.
Stage 1 was 4 games, $2,000 Fine.
Stage 2 was 4 games, $4,000 Fine.
gaunt acorn
pearl stratus
Thats actually fair to only have the fine go up.
queen drift
6k for practically nothing is way too much
pearl stratus
It's 12% of his annual pay, if he's at the complete league minimum. That's not bad considering if Dallas did nothing else he was missing a solid month out of a six month season.
His suspensions cause him to miss 17% of the Season, and he loses 12% pay.
Lines up decently imo.
limber pine
^^
pearl stratus
I'm also going to assume he most likely was not at the league minimum, but for fairness to if these fines happened to anyone its the best way to do the math.
gaunt acorn
he was above minimum, yes
pearl stratus
I think, overall, despite having a really opaque structure I haven't found any of the leagues actual fining/rulings bad.
I think the teams have sometimes gone overboard to prove themselves something.
I.E: Philly with EQO.
hidden vault
Reading this I outright blame mykL
lilac atlas
Mykl just pours gasoline on the rumors
For bringing it to the eyes of thousands of people that take it as facts
karmic grotto
Is he reliable?
limber pine
when it's just roster news, yes
torpid charm
Twitter
slow path
How is space at zarya?
pearl stratus
Hog is his weakest, overall, but also the least important I would say.
Actually I guess Hammond could be his weakest.
I have no clue.
He's a top three world off-tank I'd say, especially with his versatility. He's insanely impressive.
Fury and Meko are both still ahead - but he's encroached very quickly.
queen drift
his hammond is probably pretty good, dva and zarya translate well
pearl stratus
Yeah I've just never seen it in pro play.
And I don't like to judge off ladder.
Since.. ladder.
queen drift
ye
upper niche
8 man roster? Didn't anyone learn from Florida?
paper crag
As far as an active roster goes, I think 8-9 is the sweet spot
upper niche
I kinda wish they would make it 10 or even 9 man squads, and require teams to play 9 players per round.
paper crag
Although 12 allows you to do in-house practices
I feel like sub requirement is kind of too much regulation
I think requiring teams to have enough on a roster that subs are possible is perfectly fine
But requiring teams to sub a certain amount per match is a little too oppressive
queen drift
do they have to do that now?
paper crag
None that I know of
upper niche
I disagree, because I don't want to see games where they pay only the same 6 players every match, and bench everyone else
torpid charm
And what if because of this requirement, then it fucks up the flow of how your team is doing? Or that player isn’t ready to be thrown into the situation yet?
queen drift
forcing subs is dumb, you build a team around 6 players
paper crag
It’s the player’s responsibility to show the organization that they deserve playtime
torpid charm
^
queen drift
anyone who's played in a team knows how much a sub ruins the team play
upper niche
That's my problem. If you books a team around 6 players, then reduce the team size
limber pine
Most teams didn’t play the same 6 anyway
upper niche
Man swype is not playing nice this morning
torpid charm
They varied, some more than others but they still messed around with rotation
paper crag
Requiring teams to have a minimum roster size ensures that the team can play even in some unforeseen circumstances
So i’m good with that
upper niche
Yeah. That's why I reckon it would be either 9req/12, or 9-10 size. I don't want to see games have two teams of six and they never overlap.
paper crag
Lol seoul
upper niche
It's also bad for the Leage, and for fans, to have players benched who never get game time
torpid charm
I don’t know if I agree with that but go off, king
paper crag
I also think it sucks if someone gets signed but doesn’t get played, but it sucks for them and they should either have played better or signed somewhere else or whatever
honest sable
limber pine
Bad for fans maybe, but saying it’s bad for the league is a stretch
torpid charm
Even if you’re not played you can still be utilized
paper crag
I don’t think the team has any responsibility
Even in an extreme case where a team signs a guy just to bench him out of spite, whatever (hey $100k just to spite a guy)
It’s ethically messed up, but i think it’s still allowable
limber pine
Please pay me 100k to sit on the bench
paper crag
Not that that will happen lol
karmic grotto
Yo, it's like soccer players: get paid millions for warming up bench 👌
Optimal tactics I call that
torpid charm
And it’s not like these bench players just don’t do shit because they’re benched
karmic grotto
I've read that OWL players can play in Contenders team? Well? That's what they can do until they're brought to play
queen drift
only if the team allows it, you have to sign a special contract
i dont know the ins and outs but Elk is one of them
afaik your regular OWL player cant just up and play in a contenders team
limber pine
paper crag
So who’s on fuel now?
upper niche
@karmic grotto contenders crossover is pretty limited. It's like 2 games either way or something pretty basic.
karmic grotto
At least its something than being Bench
queen drift
OGE, Effect, Unkoe, Closer, Taimou, Harryhook, Mickie, aKm
upper niche
I would look at it more as giving trams the ability to put a good player in their academy team to help the academy players than anything.
paper crag
Oh akm is still on fuel huh
queen drift
with the soldier and mccree buffs he might get more playtime
upper niche
Closer leaves Spitfire? Hm.
paper crag
Not necessarily “dedicated” but someone who’s better at projectile than hitscan, and vice versa
Is seagull completely out of fuel, or is he a fuel-affiliated streamer like emongg is with fusion?
queen drift
hes out
paper crag
I see
slow path
Yall think Meko is better than space?
Would you say fury is number one Offtank in the world then?
paper crag
I think mano meko poko should be on the same team
Neko too
Honorable mention eqo i guess
But he has to be read as echo in that case
torpid charm
paper crag
Who else is there
hidden vault
Geguri
pearl stratus
he had some good bombs in Stage 1 that made him look great but overall his D'va is really mediocre.
Geguri is mediocre too. I wouldn't rank her above low to mid in OWL.
torpid charm
I personally feel like Geguri is very mid level when it comes to D.va, that’s just me though.
limber pine
Geguri is an aggressive tank that needs to have a team that plays alongside that
torpid charm
^^^
sick canopy
gaunt acorn
win as in, win the whole season?
or regularly win games?
i think they have a good chance to do the latter
not too confident they'll win the season, though..
sullen berry
get into stage playoffs, possible
getting in via the new stage 4 play-ins
likely, but I have low expectations they can win against the tide of new competition
I have no idea for instance
where florida mayhem will go with their new roster
and at the very least
we'll have a few teams that have just joined to be in healthy contention for the middle pack of teams
sullen berry
closer a sub for harryhook most likely
there was a reality I had to face in that for fuel to be competitive
they might as well plan for an all korean roster themselves in the long term
but still have the heart to keep the core envy roster alive
I can't wait for effect's return
slow path
I always thought taimou was really good
sullen berry
There's enough references that he can play admirably
but when the situation calls for him to be headstrong and take the series win
the team seems to have fallen flat
sullen berry
speaking of OGE
Look at this from his perspective and his amazing shotcalling come next season
https://clips.twitch.tv/DullStrongRingPJSugar
hidden vault
OGE is great
Not Fate or Mano level but he's good too
I think this is debatable
OGE or xQc
hidden vault
I think most pro players have yet to reach their peak
sullen berry
OGE is above Awesomeguy, Super and present day miro, but I'm not entirely sure that comes off as a compliment
sullen berry
you'll find i'm more comfortable referencing pacific division players
hidden vault
Reason?
sullen berry
idk, subtle habit I have. We may get to a point this season where it's hard to judge which tank is better if there are fewer matches against the other division
we will have 20+ main tanks in the league
that's a lot of comparisons (but certainly not the most in a competitive sport) to assess over multiple vods
hidden vault
True we do still need to account for team performance
sullen berry
it's going to make watchpoint stat comparisons more interesting
they can still do it, but the external factors like which division and what matchups they were up against will be marginalized a lot more
aka making direct comparisons to Florida mayhem and Shanghai Dragons
hidden vault
Hmm hopefully then
sullen berry
back to your question though
I think early OGE had a plan that would make anyone think he was like Fragi
he's come to a play lot more like muma
and adapted his playstyle to more focus on team engagements
ruby pendant
LOL
Would be amazing if Dynasty redeem themselves for Season 2 and make it to playoff finals. Looking forward to their Season 2 debut!
hidden vault
Hmm okay thanks for the input kenobi
upper niche
Given that the season 2 play-offs is gonna have what, 12 trams, amongst 8 nee ones, fair chance of that.
upper niche
I don't even understrength how if get d some shit so fundamentally won't
:)
They moment we get a Bayesian accelerator in mobile devices... I. Don't understands all this money for in to gpu development to support CNNs, Bayesian filtering is where the real breakthroughs will come from
Holy fuck, like it even went and changed shit I didn't think it could get won't in that last sentence
Omfg.
HOW
No fucking wonder we use GPUs for games when computers get those shit won't. Won't. What the actual fuck, I dropped... Omg. Kill me now.
forest raven
Let's hope Dallas signs at least one more player
Otherwise their flex tank lineup will still be busted 
upper niche
It probably be another angsty, homophobic barely 20yo though.
upper hawk
If his name is gachiBASS im sold
sullen berry
what if a pro player hadn't come up with an official name if they got signed for the league
and put it up to twitch to decide for him
hidden vault
Dallas still needs a projectile/flex dps
Even though effect is a really good specialist who can flex
Rascal was really good for him though
What a pity
sullen berry
they were out-clutched in stage 2 by seoul with rascal on the lineup
torpid charm
What would your name be if you went pro
gaunt acorn
dray
hidden vault
NicetoEat
queen drift
Krusher99
hidden vault
xxXPussyslayer69Xxx
limber pine
pretty sure Blizzard would make you drop the 69
lilac atlas
I think coolmatt's number is 69
lilac atlas
@hidden vault Besides, its too long
hidden vault
We could drop 4 Xs
queen drift
what does he have now? @hidden vault
limber pine
Just CoolMatt
queen drift
I know thats his name, but his number was still 69 last time i checked
queen drift
SparxToday at 2:07 PM
I think coolmatt's number is 69
NicetoEatToday at 2:07 PM
Not the pussy?
Was
Coolmatt used to have 69
"number is 69"
"was"
thats why i asked
queen drift
Someone mentioned in the comments that she can't say if they all went to the same team or not
which makes me think they didnt
limber pine
I still think it's likely they all go to Vancouver
limber pine
Twitter
warped axle
limber pine
IMO further evidence to suggest most/all got signed to Vancouver
queen drift
probably more of an nda then
pearl stratus
Looks like DDing will be DPS only, not off-tank.
Also Shanghai rumored to have picked up Element Mystic Head Coach for their assistant coach.
Giving them KDP Head Coach and Element Mystic Head Coach.
limber pine
plus it's good for a dps to be able to flex to a off tank anyway
See: Sinatraa, EQO, etc
pearl stratus
Yeah though DDing, if I'm not mistaken, has only ever flexed to D'va so I have no clue what his Zarya/Hog looks like.
Guardian vs. Geguri will be interesting though.
I'd probably play Guardian over her, all said and done.
But I'm not sure where his play has gone since LH/TEsports
pearl stratus
Out of the dps maybe potentially top 5.
lilac atlas
Out of dps, four sure...
lilac atlas
Lmao, jokes are what people say sometimes
queen drift
who's there
storm cobalt
Tobey's E4
queen drift
Tobey's E4 who
storm cobalt
Tobey'sE4 you cuz I got work, son
hidden vault
Who do we supposedly have in Vancouver other then the Runaway team?
warped axle
A flex DPS not named Hooreg
magic zinc
Lmao Mayhem is just Koreans + Tviq the bus driver now
queen drift
it makes me happy inside
magic zinc
Runaway would fit right in
magic zinc
"Tviq will be parking the bus now"
'Oh so he's gonna be used defensively or?? Tank or Support?'
"No he's literally gonna be parking our bus"
limber pine
I guess they also have Apply (even though he's two-way)
hidden vault
Well misfits are a cheap org
queen drift
big rip
limber pine
big rip indeed
pearl stratus
Age info for Chinese players is hard to manage because there's two of them - in its own weird way. Conception and birth, so sometimes they'll say 18 but thats 9 months before they were born. So legally 17.
limber pine
queen drift
o:
limber pine
correct
pearl stratus
Guard also known as "When Birdring hurts himself again."
limber pine
lul
pearl stratus
I want more Shanghai rumors because I like watching William Ding finally spending some of his $16 billion.
Gets them a crazy futuristic training facility that looks like something from Halo.
Now I want confirmation of two really smart coaching signings, and KDP signings
limber pine
KR Contenders getting cleaned out
pearl stratus
Can't wait to hear the awkwardly kinda racist bitching about how OWL is all Korean.
pearl stratus
Dude its insane. I'm glad they're finally catching up fully.
I just want to see a cohesive team
Especially since the only Chinese player I cared about on the roster is still there XD
pearl stratus
He was so uncomfortable on a mixed roster I could never get past his bad play.
He looked so much better/comfortable on the OWWC team
It's like a night and day difference.
pearl stratus
Unfortunate but understandable, especially on Zen which is arguably the support most reliant on others to keep himself alive
If you can't talk to your tanks to save you, I'd be scared too
copper solstice
Apply isn’t Korean
pearl stratus
He's also a switch player, which is a fancy way of saying "He'll only be playing in Contenders, but look we have a western player"
copper solstice
LUL
pearl stratus
I doubt Tviq will get starting time after the announced and rumored pick ups.
Plus after watching OWWC I don't think people care if he plays anymore XD
copper solstice
Either way he’s still on a team
pearl stratus
Yeah, but you know how people get.
The disrespect to bench players in the OWL community is baffling.
Like the LAV bench is probably responsible for a lot of their success, in house scrims etc.
limber pine
people associate not playing with being terrible
when it actually means many other things
pearl stratus
It's a fun disconnect from people who follow traditional sports.
Like imagine telling an OWL fan that an NFL team can have a 53 person roster.
And that was recently reduced from 90.
paper crag
lmao did they actually have a 90 man maximum
limber pine
90 pre season, 53 after cuts, 46 on game days
deft valley
yep
and they have 22 starters + 3 specialists
so the starters : roster size ratio is barely higher
limber pine
hopefully sombra's still good in 4 months
pearl stratus
He's been pushing out a chunk of the hitscans lately, but his Sombra is definitely his high point.
balmy wolf
His Sombra is the only reason why London might run him instead of Birdring or Profit. Otherwise he is likely a backup.
magic zinc
Cant blame the reigning champion for just bringing in some back-ups lol
limber pine
yeah they gotta get back to 8 somehow
warped axle
London should sign HOTBA
pearl stratus
Birdrings injury requires a back up because that can flare up again with repeated stress use. And they get a specialist out of it too. Pretty win win.
torpid charm
Give Hotba a better home :~(
fast basin
wait
Mykl leaked this ahead...
He's actually been a credible source
like he leaked closer the day before he was announced to join the fuel
limber pine
There was a leak on a Korean forum like a week ago that said Closer to Fuel
Also
Twitter
warped axle
👀
idle beacon
hey all
anything special going on in the next few weeks?
or is it still darn quiet around owl ?
slow walrus
next few weeks entails the OWWC and likely more announcements regarding recruitment/signing, especially on the new teams
that's it tho @idle beacon
torpid charm
I’m about to play my Fusion OWWC party, very excited
Did anyone buy a WC jersey yet? I’m curious
torpid charm
yes
idle beacon
so the world cup is still not over?
limber pine
Finals are at Blizzcon
idle beacon
i've just read on a german ow news site that some owl players had burnouts?
torpid charm
Yes
I would like to assume that all experienced burnout. May not have effected their play but still
upper niche
Yeah, the hours some were expected to put in and was being reported early in the season I think had the league step in. Seoul was one of note, and it showed in their performance.
queen drift
Shanghai and Seoul both had ridiculous training schedules
gaunt acorn
at least seoul had decent food to go along with it
no removing eggs from their breakfast sandwiches to save for later
queen drift
but its fine they have crisps now
hidden vault
remove eggs?
gaunt acorn
@hidden vault shanghai players would get mcdonalds egg mcmuffin sandwiches for breakfast
they were then instructed to 'remove the egg to save for later'
gaunt acorn
the absurd part is removing the egg from a goddamn egg mcmuffin
to presumably eat alone later
what a disaster
verbal roost
They’ll figure out their breakfasts. It’s fine.
hidden vault
I assume the egg is like a motivation for them?
did this still continue when they added new players like geguri?
torpid charm
mint turtle
Do you think if he shaved his head he would have the dots too?
hidden vault
is that considered a racist remark in Overwatch league standards?
copper solstice
I mean he named himself krillin probobly because it’s his favorite character so if jokes comes his way for his name then there it goes
surreal lichen
Krillin always one of the first to die in DBZ so idk about that chief ._.
green stump
That's yamcha
verbal roost
torpid charm
queen drift
good for GZ though. what do we know of their roster so far? is hotba the only confirmed?
torpid charm
Yup
He’s been ready to leave Fusion for awhile now so I’m glad he’s going to a place where he can be happy
pearl stratus
Meh. I think its bad overall for Fusion.
I don't think Poko is the better D'va, especially if you properly develop Hotba.
limber pine
So who do you replace him with?
or do you roll with 3 tanks in S2
well 3 tanks plus eqo can flex
pearl stratus
Hotba was a flex tank.
You would have had Sado + Vikingboi as your main duo
Then Poko + Hotba.
With Eqo as your flex dps to tank
limber pine
yes i get that
but the question is do you replace him or not
teams don't seem as keen to get to 12 players now
pearl stratus
I wouldn't necessarily replace Poko, though I may try and sell him to France and recoup a good chunk of money.
And I think its 50/50 split on that.
Most teams seem to be settling at 8-10 which I think 8 is a mistake, 10 seems okay.
Even with the new format I don't see 8 players as being enough for a full season overall.
pearl stratus
I think my personal plan, if I was a coach type, would be 10 and two of the flex option.
Like Elk is a perfect pick up in the flex option.
Because Neptuno is a decent mercy, okay on Lucio but I was never super impressed with him and I'd like to see Elk play.
All I've seen of Elk lately is him duoing in CoD with Seagull XD
pearl stratus
Sous Chef Joe.
torpid charm
Deadass
Endoken I agree with you though, as much as I love Poko I would pick Hotba over him
sullen berry
Hotba woah
That's not what I was expecting as the first official GZ player announcement
torpid charm
I knew he was gonna go to another team but same, I didn’t expect it to be Guangzhou
queen drift
Lowkey hoped fuel would sign hotba tbh
torpid charm
Fuel asked for Poko & Hotba and Fusion said fuck no
queen drift
Why ask for both?
torpid charm
Better to get that duo who you can alternate between
hidden vault
Are you sure?
If they get poko and hotba what's mickie gonna eat?
Shit?
Might as well get him as the 3rd healer main now
torpid charm
Well, they’re not getting them but move Mickie somewhere else or make that man improve his OT play
hidden vault
Just move all of them to Contenders where they belong lol
Then they can sit on their envyus glory
Also why trade Hotba when he goes well with Sado
Could they have trade/relaesed Sado too?
torpid charm
Sado works with either off tank but it was better due to same language, ya know? Hotba wanted to leave Fusion. Sado is good so no point in letting him go, I feel like even if they did release Sado then scrap that whole main tank duo & find two others but that’s just meeeee
warped axle
If they really cared about keeping a Korean tank duo then they could just promote BERNAR to the main roster.
I think he's at least 18
I'm really happy that we've been getting so many roster announcements
torpid charm
Too bad Bernar ain’t OWL level yet, he is solid and will get there though, I believe in him
balmy wolf
Hotba was traded because his playstyle didn't mesh with the rest of Fusion.
Hotba is quite defensive whereas the rest of Fusion prefers to dive aggressively and force the other team into an uncomforatable situation
sullen berry
that's what fragi's dive has been conditioning their team to do actually
hotba would initiate fights less often than him
and it clearly showed fragi is somwhat consistent, booombox and neptuno as well
warped axle
#FreeFragi
torpid charm
Hotba also didn’t like the team, so it was really hard for him throughout the whole season. Had a bit of a health scare too. I’m just hoping he can continue to do well
balmy wolf
Neptuno is clearly one of the most aggro main supports in the league.
He has the highest kills/10 on Lucio in the league
And Rein is super meta right now, I wanna see Fragihardt on Fusion again.
torpid charm
For right now, yeah. I wanna see Fragi back on Rein too but shit keeps changing so who knows what it’ll be like by the time S2 starts
hidden vault
The team charges along with Fragi;)
torpid charm
I miss my Fusion boys. Very excited to see several of them play at Blizzcon though
hidden vault
Off are the hopes for a chinese team to go full chinese
sinful bridge
When are we getting an Australian team??? 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
I want a team to barrack for in the OWL
sullen berry
it's still individual players at this point coming into season 2
colorhex 🇳🇿 and custa 🇦🇺
solar trout
tell you what asher and logix better get into a new team for season 2. Would be a shame if they were left out. Both really good tracers. Logix is also a good widow, and asher was decent at brig iirc
So many changes from S1 to S2
torpid charm
🤔
pearl stratus
I like how anyone duoing or grouping with RHJ instantly means rumors of signing onto the team.
It's like RHJ is the free agent whisperer.
warped axle
Asher
pearl stratus
torpid charm
Must be nice to have your team do events during the off season :~(
sullen berry
More work for the orgs
Less time to focus on grinding and scrimming
pretty good for the first off season
ember jewel
I mean, most teams aren't scrimming, since a lot of players are back to their home countries
limber pine
queen drift
Soon to Paris seems all but confirmed then
Also is Boston sponsored by subway or something
slow walrus
lmao
if Paris gets mostly french players then I'll have no choice but to root for them
I mostly can't wait to see Vancouver tho
limber pine
Paris team should be pretty legit
idk if they'll be a playoff team, but they should be right there
clear crane
pearl stratus
Paris will mostly have issues in their seconds imo.
Off Tank, Off DPS, Off-Support.
Benbest, if confirmed, is a solid MT.
Poko is a mid-low tier OT, mid if he's on Zarya, lower on the D'va.
limber pine
Poko is not rumored to be on Paris
pearl stratus
Oh right, thats just OWWC.
Either way Poko is meh, but the point stands I'd be more worried of them finding a solid OT/DPS/Support.
limber pine
i think the rumors are either NiCO or rck
pearl stratus
You can't just bring back Winz.
limber pine
This is the rumored team:
plus HyP, which I'm not sure why it's missed
oh nvmd hyp is there
pearl stratus
Yeah I don't really like either of those supports overall, but thats me.
I also am apparently one of the few people to not think Shadowburn is this insane pick up.
But I've always felt that way about him.
Too limited a pool, too passive a playstyle.
limber pine
yup
pearl stratus
He's mechanically a genius, I will never say otherwise.
But in terms of team cohesion and use? Meh.
worn falcon
wait Soon is free agent now?
queen drift
almost definitely signed to Paris
gusty ember
Hello, is there a group of six that can play against our team :3 ? (America) We need to practice our strat :P
warped axle
@gusty ember #lfg-pc-na-ranked
hidden vault
Winz aren't signed in ow?
limber pine
sullen berry
fissure sub?
hidden vault
fissure's job is to be a dva
he will most likely be a starter
fissure is the team enabling kind of player
limber pine
Fissure sub, Zunba sub, tobi sub
unless they end up being better
which
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i couldn't tell you
sullen berry
yeah, it is all in a big melting pot
as intended
to make seoul a little more unpredictable
rapid bobcat
Why does Michelle from Seoul look like Ark from NYXL?
sullen berry
more like Ark's uncle and fissure's brother
visual glen
Bowl cuts give you power
hidden vault
Michelle is a female player?
pallid dirge
no
hidden vault
How misleading
torpid charm
gaunt acorn
tisumi > michelle
queen drift
When’s tisumi getting signed
torpid charm
Tisumi #tmobilemvp
gaunt acorn
!tmobilemvp tisumi
icy dove
Is rck confirmed for Paris or Dallas?
kindred root
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nono
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green stump
A cat has kidnapped his keyboard
balmy wolf
Atlanta just signed a 15 year old Analyst
limber pine
k
balmy wolf
You gotta be one smart mofo to be hired at 15
pearl stratus
I mean game knowledge doesn't increase with age, honestly.
limber pine
Slight tangent, but if you didn't see CSGO news earlier: https://twitter.com/OpTicIndia/status/1053342722122268672
A guy gets caught cheating on LAN, now his whole team has been released.
queen drift
yikes
torpid charm
I heard about that earlier on twitter
sullen berry
That's Asian culture on a whole new level
One person's actions affecting the entire roster
slow walrus
@sullen berry idk I bet his team knew about it and if they didn't then it's also their fault for not checking
or for hiring someone with the capacity to cheat
limber pine
They claimed that the rest of the team didn't know
I don't see how that's possible, but that's besides the point
slow walrus
Were I running a team as a coach I'd keep a close enough eye on players that shit like that didn't happen
doesn't really matter if they didn't know, they either should have known and stopped it or kept it from ever happening tbh
sullen berry
I think most international bodies look to align their cultural values with the org at large
pearl stratus
I think its also a lack of taking the team at their word.
5/6 people could tell me they didn't know he was cheating
And I wouldn't believe 5/6 of them.
little mirage
hi every1
pearl stratus
Especially if you look at the ESL stream of him using it.
It's an insanely obvious cheat
Look at the first lock on the left the guy jumping behind the crate.
I see that and you tell me you had "no clue", and you're fired 😛
limber pine
yeaaaah
I mean, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, I just don't personally believe it
slow walrus
wow
pearl stratus
"No touch! slaps hand"
But yeah even if its 100% that they didn't know you still have to clean sweep the whole org.
Because you can't 100% trust they didn't know.
So, start over.
slow walrus
Couldn't they have a secondary hard drive at LAN tournaments that scans for aimbot/cheat programs?
ik players have their own portable hard drive that they put in so their settings are saved (thats how it is in owl at least)
pearl stratus
It's CSGO.
CSGO is about as secure as a thirteen year old girl getting her first period.
pearl stratus
I tend to go for the very striking metaphors. I find them more memorable and descriptive.
I was going to do a Hilary Clintons email metaphor, but politics isn't for everyone.
slow walrus
it's roughly as vulgar as a 13 y.o. boy playing fortnite too
I'd say 95% of the time's I've heard a white person say the n-word it's been playing CSGO
and I have ~100 hours in it and stopped playing a couple years ago
sullen berry
Forsaken a really unlucky name to be caught cheating with and not be given a second chance
pearl stratus
I think one of the stories mentioned he was caught before, but not banned.
slow walrus
wow
torpid charm
LMAOOOO he was too guilty
slow walrus
pathetic
limber pine
Good comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/9pixn6/looking_back_at_forsaken_background_in_optic/e827az8/
torpid charm
That’s really crazy
mossy bone
pearl stratus
idle beacon
soon got kicked off or did he left valiant
limber pine
it is likely he was either traded to Paris or released with the intent to go to Paris
he was not kicked though
limber pine
no
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/93p5j4/overwatch_league_rosterpocalypse_2018_megathread/
the only confirmed staff for DC is Wizard, AVALLA, and mkL
lusty condor
idle beacon
OWL DC signs Janus (Main Tank) and WizardHyeong (Coach): https://twitter.com/overwatchdc/status/1039714993913118721
what is owl dc ? ^^
idle beacon
ye but what about wizardhyeong ?
limber pine
oh yeah
queen drift
he was NYXL couach
limber pine
derp
queen drift
coach
idle beacon
oh i thought he was the one of boston
idle beacon
what is this black color?
idle beacon
boston had this headcoach which got his team 10-0 in stage3
he left boston for sfs ?
after stage 3
?
sullen berry
Yeah he did
idle beacon
ah ok. mixed him up with the nyxl one, then. i somehow remembered his face as the boston coach
idle beacon
and it was him getting bostons 10-0 in stage3 ?
ye, i recognise the face, but thought he was the boston coach 😄
my bad
sullen berry
Most likely the biggest contributor to their clean sweep
I reckon HuK helped
But his efforts wasn't doing much on its own in stage 4
the team did not adapt to brigitte and striker kept playing tracer into her before swapping to widow
queen drift
tbh i dont think much of that was due to adaption
dusk hinge
Did hooreg play at all on runaway?
limber pine
BEAT Invitational Day 1 is live: https://twitch.tv/beatesports
sullen berry
@dusk hinge there was one match in hanamura
It was somewhere before the semis, the match was kinda scrappy as a sub-in for stitch
queen drift
hooreg is very good
he's got experience in both GC Busan and London Spitfire
not profit/birdring good obviously
but pretty good
balmy wolf
Hooreg apparently destroys in scrims, I'm talking like a 70% accuracy, but he really underperforms on stage.
queen drift
btw @limber pine wasnt a guy called Forsaken on Faze in OW? not the same guy right?
limber pine
yeah not the same
queen drift
alright
hidden vault
Don't think so, they just buffed soldier
edgy remnant
Still waiting on Atlanta to announce their roster
warped axle
Justice4Dafran
edgy remnant
pearl stratus
Even buffed Soldier is kind of meh.
He works on ladder in most situations but he's consistent damage which is pretty garbage in a burst healing meta which is what most of it is. Only redemption is Nano Visor, and even thats limited.
white ore
could someone explain why tracer is used over other dps in esports?
storm cobalt
she fast, she slender, she brit
white ore
she big dmg?
queen drift
Yes
wooden root
Does anyone know where I can find a thread of overwatch streamers that will be at TwitchCon?
paper crag
Hey so is Blizz the only entity that can independently host any OW esports event?
Or are other orgs able to host anything at will but nobody bothers just because Blizz-backed ones are so much more important?
queen drift
They can, but there are some strict rules in place iirc
came out when owl was announced
they have to be labeled as community events, and not be above a certain reward threshold
verbal roost
ruby pendant
That sucks, but reasonable.
drowsy fulcrum
reminder that the US is going out round 1 again
balmy wolf
@paper crag there are others for example BEAT eSports is hosting an Overwatch tourney atm
paper crag
hmm
i wonder if OWL teams can compete in any non-OWL, non-OWWC events lol
as the OWL team
or same roster under different name or whatever
queen drift
no
same roster different name maybe with some two way contract shenanigans like Elk
but I doubt blizzard would approve it
slow path
Harblue gladiators when
warped axle
Asking is the Western Pine
surreal lichen
Pine is the Korean Taimou
sullen berry
Taimou is the EU Soon
sullen berry
I wanted to break the chain early hah
balmy wolf
soon is french
sullen berry
a better comparison is patiphan is the OCE rascal
rare sonnet
Taimou isn’t as good as Soon when it comes to flexibility
sullen berry
How so
warped axle
Have you seen Taimou's Hog
pearl stratus
Who's Taimou? Is he in contenders or something
Don't remember anyone by that name doing anything useful in OWL.
balmy wolf
Haha good one 
red anvil
in what world do you live in if you think taimou is more flexiable then soon 
pearl stratus
It begins.
@red anvil In a world where people still think EnvyUS players, other than Effect, are worth their salaries 😛
red anvil
that's Guardian Diem Youngjin DDing Coma Luffy most likely
unless they have done some changes
pearl stratus
Yeah, but its the first "official" post for it.
queen drift
the recycle is a bit weird
i realise now its probably flex
but at first i was thinking either trade or a player from old shanghai
upper niche
So that's Shanghai's problem - instead of healers they ran pill poppers.
torpid charm
feral parcel
lol