compared to idk
#esports-discussion
sullen berry
sbb I wouldn't say he is fluent enough to hold a conversation in a podcast like crusty
but it remains to be said he can't
because I would love him as a proper korean guest on Oversight
the last korean guest on that show was Kuuki
which left a lot of discussion to be desired from a korean ow player
sullen berry
it's by a staggering amount if you put aside accent
since sbb clearly needs to think through the pronounciations
torpid charm
limber pine
round obsidian
Disappointed tbh, Asking is OWL material for sure
warped axle
This could just be Boston's way of snatching up Asking early
vagrant niche
who are these names?
i only watched some NA contenders
i have no idea who these people are
chinese mixed roster
hopefully they all talk in english so they can all communicate better rather than mandarin
karmic grotto
When will the finale be of Blizzcon?
vagrant niche
it's on the blizzcon schedule
sullen berry
@vagrant niche Yveltal is currently playing for China in OWWC, Rui is one of the cursed ex-members of the Shanghai Dragons coaching team while U4 stepped down
ruby pendant
lol
sullen berry
Okay
so that's chengdu making things happen
now how about my folks in Guang- and Hangzhou?
tough thunder
gaunt acorn
jeff kaplan?
no, he's not one of the blizzard founders
he was hired by blizzard around 2001 to help develop world of warcraft
sullen berry
I am interested in what hand he will have in the esports scene for blizzard
and there wasn't any particular reason for morhaime leaving, because he's now a strategic advisor
pearl stratus
I mean Brack is a founder anyway, he probably knows the day to day better than most people. He's been back for two years after leaving to work on a few other titles. I doubt much has changed.
vagrant niche
does this matter at all for overwatch?
queen drift
Doubtful
pearl stratus
I don't forsee a president making any changes to OWL at all at this point.
By every metric they set forth its doing better than they expected.
sullen berry
well
there is the possibility of being ambitious to set higher targets if he really wanted to
pearl stratus
They could, but from all I've seen Blizz doesn't mind being compartmentalized they seem to embrace it.
X team is X game, and they let them do their thing
Also I want to know which chinese expansion is looking for western players. My guess is G' since they've been quiet, but its interesting.
sullen berry
Guangzhou is quiet like most of the remaining teams looking for players during their exclusive signing period
pearl stratus
Yeah but we haven't even really heard any rumors about them at all.
Like they're a ghost org right now.
sullen berry
the only basis you will have
is to go by the individual orgs
just remember that can only stretch the imagination so far
if they're org had never been interested in overwatch in the past
let the expectation you have of the rosters who will be joining as a whole
or near full roster pickups
to be take with a grain of salt as to how well they can perform during the course of the reg season
sullen berry
Twitter
and the redux english version of flowervin's tweets...
https://twitter.com/Runaway_OW/status/1047848707046031361
gaunt acorn
so that essentially confirms vancouver
glad to hear the deal didn't fall through
although sad that flowervin didn't go along
sullen berry
especially after leaning how significant a discovery esports was to her
and how much of that responsibility fell onto flowervin while runner is still out of the picture for military service
sullen berry
actually be more impressed if parts of runaway are able to make it in
imagine hooreg needing more time
but I'm already loving the whole of season 2 involving heaps of fresh & familiar faces underneath the veterans of season's past
warped axle
I'm just happy that Runaway isn't going away
It's like the only original Apex team left
Even if it's just in name only
copper solstice
Honestly, I could believe it.
lilac grotto
tawny rune
limber pine
Trials teams trying to get an edge
I...don't blame them per se
but it's still a shitty thing to do
digital orbit
Hello
Can someone tell me when is the match fr vs Canada ?
limber pine
November 2nd
long belfry
For the first time
karmic grotto
Why though
He's good
I expected him there
No wonder I didn't saw him in first group for SK
Furthermore
Was the match in Rialto
Rigged
Finland vs SK
fast basin
prob
visual glen
DC at the most convenient time 
long belfry
I didnt say I didnt want Jehong in OWWC
He is better than kariv imo
I said that its the first time he doesnt compete for SK
And the Rialto map was rigged af
hidden vault
Is jehong really better then kariv?
sullen berry
Jehong is stylistically overshadowed by JJonak
and if you've never compared the two and their zen/off-tank performance over the past 6 months, you should know one performs more consistently than the other
Also the brackets at blizzcon
ruby pendant
NYXL coach is for South Korea, and Jonak is already good enough to play similar support roles.
queen drift
jjonak > jehong
pearl stratus
I could actually see half of the quarter finals having upsets.
Mostly in the top brackets.
I could see China beating Finland, and France beating Canada if Canada doesn't fix their tank issues.
upper niche
yeah, China will beat Finland
hidden vault
Weren't we talking about kariv and jehong? Not jehong and Jjonak?
hidden vault
I think it's likely that China will beat canada and finland
random nacelle
I need a team until sunday
pearl stratus
I think China vs. Canada would be a close game, and it literally almost entirely depends on xQc.
It was super apparent in US vs. Canada that he was the weakest link and had some pretty bad overall synergy with NotE especially compared to Muma + Space.
Also I think China has a better support duo, in terms of mechanical skill, than Canada. But Canadas supports are both great on comms which can't be discounted.
hidden vault
So by fixing tank issues you meant fix xQc:)
pearl stratus
It's on NotE as well, since he's his Off-tank.
But overall based on their qualifier stages I think I'm not wrong in saying Guxue is a better main tank - synergy not with-standing.
hidden vault
understood
paper crag
Oh wow seoul is on a skeleton crew right now
pearl stratus
They'll be announcing Ado in 3 days, and probably picking up a few more. It's still way early in the signing period, it really doesn't open up till the 8th onward.
pearl stratus
Yeah 😛 Free Agent signing opens.
river birch
Do we know where the new teams might bw from
slow walrus
? the new owl teams were announced weeks ago
3 chinese teams, france, 2 canadian teams, 2 US teams i believe
vancouver and toronto for canada, DC and atlanta for US
paris for france obv
slow walrus
yeah that stuff hasn't been released yet
I live in seattle so I'm torn whether to root for vancouver or san francisco
vancouver is closer but like
shock are my boys
gaunt acorn
@slow walrus vancouver
queen drift
Wouldn’t be surprised if Seattle is added s3
timid hornet
i need a new OWL player to follow... I was into watching SF games for danteh because hes a sombra player... but i cant stand outlaws and Danteh is on Outlaws now.. anyone else in OWL known for their sombra play? I know Fleta plays SOME sombra but it doesnt seem like one of his more played
queen drift
Surefour is decent at sombra
Don’t think he streams much though anymore
Other than that, look for tracer players, they’ve been flexing sombra widow in the last couple seasons
timid hornet
decent is one thing.. i am looking for players that can be seen regularly playing her
mint turtle
Or for tracers flexing, dafran/kabaji
queen drift
@timid hornet if you want OWL level sombra players but you don’t want to watch the only OWL level sombra player that streams her often and you refuse to watch people like fitzy you’re kind of cornering yourself
timid hornet
its not super serious.. i just also wanted to root for a team the only reason i watched SF is for danteh. I guess ill jump on the Dynasty bandwagon... until FL mayhem gets good at least.
queen drift
Dynasty doesn’t really have a bandwagon
They were pretty trash s1
Decent pickup in Fissure but that’s about it
And not many people here like Fissure
upper niche
Heh, that even got a WTF from Doa.
worn falcon
Ceo changes and contract renewals wew
paper crag
I want to root for seoul for ado but fissure kinda seems like an asshole
paper crag
Yeah he’s been in contenders for a while I think
timid hornet
i am dumb i havent followed him because i was waiting until next OWL season..
paper crag
Haven’t seen him play since i don’t follow contenders, but i heard he’s not as good as he was in korea
But that was also a while ago so he may have gotten a lot better
timid hornet
queen drift
He’s been on XL2 for a while, NYXL’s academy team
NYXL get first dibs if they want him, essentially
Don’t think they will though. No reason anymore
SBBs widow is getting better every day
And Liberos genji Junk hanzo is better than flowers
His only other niche is Soldier, who he’s gotten worse at since his injuries
And soldier is meh rn
If you’re interested though check out NYXL origins
I was a LWBlue fan way before NYXL, but damn NYXL have such good production on their YouTube
pearl stratus
They might just pick him up so no one else does, and do the two option between Contenders and NYXL.
Then leave him in contenders.
Since he's overrated af.
paper crag
where did wizardhyeong end up at btw?
do we only know that he has a team but not where?
pearl stratus
Yeah its DC with Janus.
jagged crater
Why we hatin on alchemist
jagged crater
Paris just get team france
hidden vault
Then why they didn't take aKm and Unkoe?.....
queen drift
unkoe doesnt want to leave dallas
hidden vault
I would assume if paris really managed to recreate rogue's former roster. I won't see why unkoe would not want to leave dallas plus unkoe knows paris's coach Daemon well
sullen berry
I personally don't see the value reforming rogue
but if they can do so over the next few stages
hidden vault
Probably not unless paris is gunning for homeland fan base
sullen berry
they might be co-ordinating something extraordinary on a huge budget for an EU-based team
hidden vault
Soon to paris would really be a surprise
hidden vault
Why would valiant even be releasing soon? Lol that doesn't really make sense
And I do agree on that
there somthing about watching mykL makes me wanna punch his face
warped axle
So Optic Academy is basically dead
sullen berry
have you seen the team envy lineup
pearl stratus
Also just throwing this out there - Valiant provided no other major changes would be fine without Soon especially since the Paris "leaked" roster looks mediocre as hell.
Especially since Benbest is already leaked to be on another team, and he's the most important part.
edgy remnant
heh, 26th division is destroying the 20th
vast geode
korean commentators so hype 
edgy remnant
someone said there was a pro/former pro/amateur on one of the teams
wonder who it is
vast geode
oh fuck theyre playing busan
azure yarrow
@pearl stratus where dis you see the Paris roster at?
fleet walrus
Who do you think is the best in LA valiant
sullen berry
All rumors still, but it's been posted in /r/competitiveOW subreddit
coarse heath
Is JJoNak the Faker of Overwatch?
jagged crater
No
pearl stratus
Had to google Faker. Realized it was LoL.
Stopped caring.
Games fine, e-sport wise its too limited to compare the two of them,.
Why is Crimzo having a hissy fit on Twitter?
surreal lichen
He mad because he bad
sleek zephyr
what happened @pearl stratus
pearl stratus
He went on this rant about the T2 scene and that people should leave for more academic stuff etc, etc. And I don't think anyone disagrees that T2 needs some more support
It's just an interesting timing after it seems like he failed his tryouts for an OWL team.
rare sonnet
I think Soon on Valiant can totally be replaced by Zachareee
And then Zach will actually be a 1st team player rather than behind Eqo and Carpe on Philly
Works out great for everyone
pearl stratus
Soon can be replaced by a lot of people - honestly.
He's very good, don't get me wrong. But he's not team enabling good.
magic zinc
torpid charm
Harsha, Bren, Sideshow 👏🏾
clear hornet
Mickie best waifu
queen drift
Davin isn’t soon level
torpid charm
@royal minnow you should post in uuuuuuh #lf-players-na
torpid charm
https://twitter.com/gatamchun/status/1049287421475659776?s=21
https://twitter.com/gatamchun/status/1049287739261288449?s=21
Twitter
Twitter
limber pine
@trail tartan spamming your video in every channel is a great way to get banned
limber pine
verbal roost
nice pic for atlanta
sullen berry
owow
nice I stayed up at 5am to see this come up in real time!
fyi it's 5 in the morning here
limber pine
wut
sullen berry
I really do hope GZ is going to follow in their footsetps
copper solstice
So what’s there name?
torpid charm
*their and not sure yet
Only new team name that’s known for sure is Hangzhou Railgun right?
copper solstice
Atlanta Legends?
verbal roost
falconeers 😮
verbal roost
jk
limber pine
The Atlanta "close your roads due to 1/2 inch of snow"
verbal roost
Why Hangzhou Railgun??
limber pine
verbal roost
Wow they put their name up to vote
limber pine
verbal roost
Thank you
ruby pendant
would be funny if South Korea lose 1st round
ruby pendant
Looking forward to another 3-1, 4-0?!
karmic grotto
xQc must do his part
glacial bear
xqc gonna do his part BMing
karmic grotto
#lf-players-na @balmy wolf
long belfry
Beware
There is a fake Paris OWL acc in twitter
Promoting what looks like a cheat service
Took screenshots of the discord link they have
Sent most of them to MYKL
Lets hope he exposes those guys
upper niche
I mean you never know. Maybe that's Paris's business model? 😄
paper crag
Is China legitimately good, or are they up there because they’re not as bad as the ones who got knocked out lol
sullen berry
They're not bad
queen drift
bit of both. they're good, but not like, the rest good
canada usa sk outclass them by miles
sullen berry
Considering they aren't going for a full Chinese roster, we don't really know until we see them perform
paper crag
Definitely deserving to be up there, but a tier under among the top 8?
queen drift
- fr
paper crag
Would this be an accurate assessment
or 
paper crag
Wait, are you talking about SHD?
sullen berry
Every team this coming season will be somewhere in the middle
paper crag
I was talking about team China for OWWC
sullen berry
China is legit good in world cup
Their roster has the Asian equivalent of finland
Three dps
Two tanks with some nutty plays during their respective groups
And support synergy works out from both teams, but nothing that screams competition with ark/jjonak
torpid charm
Hangzhou looking to be the best of the four
Team China looking pretty scary for OWWC tho
sullen berry
GZ Chengdu and Shanghai are potential sleeper teams if Seoul is unable to make a long term run for the playoffs
long belfry
Sent the link to MYKL
sullen berry
Twitter
long belfry
I think sending the fake Paris stuff to MYKL is like sending them to the meat grinder
Because he will make 193929 videos about it
sullen berry
I want Noah in reaction to more soon rumors call mykL a 4Head
and be able to get away with it if soon doesn't turn out to be moving to paris
warped axle
I feel like the league is becoming very saturated with staff members
verbal roost
^
surreal lichen
Houston got Tairong anyways and that dude is an excellent coach
fresh fossil
Unless Sweden actually was that shit then China are gods
Like seriously, Krystal reaper on 66 was like a top 500 smurfing in masters
Absolutely brutal
hidden vault
I think he made the wrong choice of bringing in arhan though
balmy wolf
Random brigs are fair and balanced
mint turtle
balmy wolf
Hi guys
mint turtle
Ikr, I'd consider going to the London one, though I would wanna know what those 'unique giveaways' for going are
jagged crater
boo!
paper crag
Those off white sneakers in blue white and orange should be given away lol
torpid charm
Deadass
fleet walrus
3 China peeps I think
limber pine
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
balmy wolf
in all seriousness i really really really do appreciate the breaks
burnouts like the one effect had wouldnt happen as often
and now hacks like montecristo have less to whine about
limber pine
Not only will they get longer breaks between stages, but also a "bye week" during each stage.
which will be nice
pearl stratus
And they'll get a season split.
Rotating the all-star to a half time show between Stages 2 and 3.
Which means we'll probably see a month break between those two stages.
4-5 weeks would be my guess.
gusty cipher
Is there any word if they'll do better match times for anyone that isn't living in the US?
For Season 2
mint turtle
Theyll check their viewing rates from other countries and base em off that
green stump
@balmy wolf I called this! More teams means less games for each team so the players get more time to strategize, relax and practice at a better pace!
pearl stratus
@gusty cipher They're going to make attempts for some weekend stuff with slightly different schedules it looks like but they don't want to sacrifice general player quality/in house viewership by having them play at really awkward times for the Blizzard Arena I'm sure.
If you have an 8am game on a Thursday you're going to have issues selling tickets.
green stump
Until the teams behind more regionized I doubt this. Once perhaps they separate NA, EU, and Asia, it will likely continue to be this way...
I would love to have each region have its own league though in that manner
gusty cipher
At least keep the weekend games at reasonable times
pearl stratus
I mean reasonable is completely personalized. Right now its probably very reasonable for the players schedule since they all live on the West Coast. It's a hard balance for something that has a lot of variables most people don't want to consider.
balmy wolf
I wonder if there's plans to do a fun lil off time matchup just for laughs for the people who are still willing to play a lil bit
pearl stratus
I think that'd be the smart addition.
Changing viewer times has impact on a lot more than just when the teams play.
Endorsements, commercials, merch sales from the Blizz Arena, etc, etc.
Like a weird little OWL Off-Times for teams that have bye weeks with some scrims.
quaint canopy
Hey can anybody tell me how to apply for a team I’m a top 500 doomfist main
verbal roost
which team?
quaint canopy
Ps4
verbal roost
oh i thought you meant contenders or owl or something
verbal roost
you can watch replays?
pearl stratus
Yeah, preseason scrims were as much if not more fun than OWL season 1 last year.
So.
Everyone had to play, etc, etc.
sullen berry
I will appreciate the improvements coming into season 2 preseason
There will still be teams like Fusion that might not show up due to visa issues
But that depends on what kind of players are being fielded
or pretend they didn't forget to deal with their players' paperwork to play this year
verbal roost
source?
upper niche
Are any of them any good though.
limber pine
most of KDP and LFZ have been highly recruited
pearl stratus
All of them are good, KDP is a pretty insane team.
They're comparable to Runaway when you get to brass tacks, honestly.
Also side note.
One thing people didn't notice greatly with the format change.
2/14/19 is a Thursday.
Not a Wednesday.
So the schedule could be shifting to Th/F/S/Sun.
Which should help the EU folk.
sullen berry
well now I NEED to rewatch contenders s2 grand finals again
SA/EU/Pacific/NA were pretty underwhelming
and Cyclops for pacific contenders had games at Incheon for world cup before their finals match the same day smh
paper crag
so according to that rumor, SHD is gonna be running 2 Chinese players at most?
is the Dding guy a support kind of flex, or an off-tank kind of flex?
pearl stratus
Off-tank, he stepped into Voids spot when Void got picked up by LAG
Also which two?
Right now its just Diya.
Diem is Korean. LFZ is a full korean team in China.
sullen berry
okay so from 28 matches
7 played per stage excluding playoffs
20 teams x 28 matches = season 2 matchs 280
queen drift
are you australian
sullen berry
new zealand
sullen berry
the overlap throws me off
sullen berry
how many were there in the regular season last?
sullen berry
that was (12x40 matchups) divided by two, right?
deft valley
yeah
sullen berry
40 more matches with 8 more teams
deft valley
yeah
the number 28 is specific
considering 10+10 divisions it makes me think the schedule is your division twice each, plus the other division once each
inb4 this is actually mentioned in the article and i can't read
sullen berry
mmm
deft valley
nah it isn't
sullen berry
there is no clarity atm
deft valley
still it would make sense
since they're making a heavier impact on divisions, with stage finals also being based on them now
sullen berry
whether you have 4/7 or even 5+/7 of your matches be within you division
stage finals will be better with 6 teams competing cross ladder
deft valley
would be fairly in line with traditional sport american leagues
sullen berry
because atlantic division has been so competitive last season
pacific has caught up, to my amusement
deft valley
Stage finals will be same structure as this year's grand
sullen berry
and the new teams and reshuffles will hopefully put the top 4 in a better starting position
sullen berry
just have this on loophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIe-ychzDk0
deft valley
so even if divisions are wildly unbalanced, it won't get that unfair
sullen berry
it's no different than listening to old stylosa reading patch notes
six is a really good number
8 teams in total with two wild card teams will be fantastic to bring lower seeded teams back into relevance
because that's the only way I see dallas fuel make it into postseason
if teams play around that
deft valley
I'm not sure about the playoff structure
sullen berry
there is no pressure to make it to the top after drops come stage 3 performance
deft valley
at some point increasing it feels like it's devaluing the regular season
queen drift
i knew you're from that area
deft valley
and half the league is definitely close to that point
sullen berry
timezones here and in AUS are just really good for live #esports-discussion
deft valley
in NFL, 12 teams out of 32 make it
deft valley
which I feel is the closest ratio to that perfect value
sullen berry
rip those london spitfire games
queen drift
its ok i prefer nyxl
sullen berry
to be fair, they did a good job of managing game times to fit the regions
deft valley
where you have a chance at a miracle run but you're not just fucking around the entirety of regular season
sullen berry
so 4 chinese teams will might as well throw them anywhere in the schedule
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I think the 7th - 12th place teams will actually set up some teams to make a real run for it
rare sonnet
what do divisions even do
is it like how european football leagues are seperate
surely it could end up with one group of teams/division getting so stacked they could probably beat even the best in the other division but nothing can be done?
but then again winning your division will end up making you money to buy better players/staff to beat the other teams
so idk
torpid charm
It just makes it easier I guess
upper niche
The main thing is they need to fix the wording /explanation of the finals. They explained it wayyyyy too confusing. Like... Fuck, just call it an elimination final, not a semi then explaining re-seeding.
The explanation they've given there about 7-12 only named it confusing.
sullen berry
@rare sonnet wym nothing, it's still an Atlantic playoff but now there's enough competition to make different sets of all Pacific/Atlantic
upper hawk
It did take me a couple reads to get what they meant by the 7-12 part. I like it because it makes games important for more teams down the stretch
But it really is just a HUMONGOUS wild card round basically
Or...a long round about way to decide two wild card teams
pearl stratus
The 7-12 thing is for Stage 4 and its to prevent what happened in the last Stage 4 Playoffs.
No one really gave a fuck.
Because stage playoffs aren't worth shit with Season playoffs around the corner and you don't want to reveal any strats early.
So instead of doing a Stage 4 playoffs they offer a Wild Card spot to the Season Playoffs for the 7-12 teams in a small bracketed event.
Overall it means: No one who is guaranteed into the season playoffs needs to unnecessarily do an extra tournament and potentially show strats, and b. provides a better chance for excitement and cinderella stories which is good for sports viewership in general.
sullen berry
it's also what LoL Worlds has done
play-ins are a great staple and is worth an attempt to bring proven and competent teams
upper hawk
Makes sense
sullen berry
the new teams will be fighting hard those spots while they are lacking the veteran experience of the founding 12
the original teams will probably expect burnout even with 7 matches
but the orgs will make sure players come in more prepared
new orgs come with less intel on the league
upper hawk
Id kind of like to see all playoff rounds be best of 3
Its drawn out but i mean...you can just flat out have a turd match and not have it represent how well you could do at that point
plus idk. In other sports, grueling playoff series is often what leads to increased rivalry
fresh turret
Hello
How many matches will be played per (match) day in OWL s2?
Like on a regular week
sullen berry
Probably 4-5 matches each day if I'm going to presume 7 matches for each team per stage
You have teams who won't be playing on certain weeks
sullen berry
4 matches over four days would work within 5 week stages
For the last week they have Wed/Thurs to finish the remaining matches and commence stage playoffs over the Weekend
sullen berry
@fresh turret probably guessing there will be an extra match tied to each day, if this is true then 16 matches per week
fresh turret
that'd be cool
torpid charm
Twitter
ruby pendant
Thought GoodsB from X6gaming would have found a team, he's a great dps.
polar pasture
that guys name looks like a face
red anvil
@ruby pendant He's rumored for Hangzhou
rapid bobcat
I'm exciting about brandings, rosters and overall way of how to season will go
Even with roster announced I'd have no idea who would take it all
balmy wolf
Lol this comment about Muma: "Muma got so mad at people making fun of his Demoman rollouts in TF2 he harnessed the negative energy into special monkey juice that he has absorbed into his skin and allows him to play incredibly well."
queen drift
muma isnt that good tho
queen drift
thats not saying much#
balmy wolf
muma is the best western tank
queen drift
nah hes not
balmy wolf
who is then
queen drift
Space, xQc, Bischu is decent
queen drift
xqc is still better than muma imo
queen drift
if you dont let your personal feelings about the guy get in the way, xqc is a better MT
more aggressive ye but overall better
balmy wolf
i don't have any personal feelings about xqc
im subbed to him
i love him
but muma is just better
facts
gaunt acorn
disagree
balmy wolf
muma consistently outperformed xqc in the world cup
gaunt acorn
i think they're comparable in skill
balmy wolf
i suppose
queen drift
Are we talking in a team or individually
balmy wolf
both are important
queen drift
Muma is better in a team or pro environment in that case, xQc is better individually
gaunt acorn
im canadian and like xqc so im not trying to sell him short
balmy wolf
in terms of individual skill muma is probably slightly better than xqc
gaunt acorn
but muma is certainly on par with him atm
balmy wolf
its close tho
queen drift
agree to disagree then, i still think xqc is the better mt
gaunt acorn
xqc has better rein i think
queen drift
xQc and miro are the only MT's to actually impress me mechanically
gaunt acorn
and orisa
queen drift
wasnt that just the maps tho
balmy wolf
xQc while great at Winston has a discipline issue when playing him at the pro level. He is less patient and takes wilder risks with him.
no in general she was used fairly often
several people have said that xqc when playing pro is actually really smart and thinks like three steps ahead
jayne said his brain works at a billion mph when it comes to the game
but people see his stream and see "wow what a fucking retard"
queen drift
yeah no I agree, xqc is a genius
balmy wolf
he knows how to put on a show
queen drift
no i also think he's retarded
balmy wolf
He is unfiltered and lets the trolls troll him.
eh sometimes i think he pretends to be retarded
queen drift
his stream is him imo, he doesnt like play it up too much
balmy wolf
like when he's watching daily dose of internet and mispronounces animal names or something
i know english isn't his native language
but come on it's clear he's pretending
queen drift
i think if he makes a mistake its a genuine mistake, afterwards if he keeps it up he's playing it up for the audience
sullen berry
you mean deliberate
balmy wolf
He has a strong viewerbase even when not playing overwatch
Pretending to mispronounce English words as a native French speaker from Laval QC?
Do I understand that properly from you?
because his fanbase love his outbursts and reactions
he knows how to play chat
queen drift
yea but he was also like that when he wasnt popular
french is my first language and most of the stuff he says wrong is stuff that makes sense to my brain
balmy wolf
I'm not a native French speaker but having learned it in the Canadian public school system I understand exactly why the things he says "wrong" are actually not "wrong" when he tries to enunciate them.
I think it's silly people mock him for it
but he's considerably more intelligent than his detractors and trolls and plays it up really well
gaunt acorn
wasn't aware french was your first language
i'm fluent but not native
and i don't necessarily think he mispronounces stuff on purpose
queen drift
i havent lived there for a long time
gaunt acorn
he does 'ham up' his stream though
queen drift
so im v rusty
gaunt acorn
as any entertainer does
balmy wolf
Is he still in California?
tawny sigil
French canadian love to mis prononce words on purpose
queen drift
isnt he with adept
tawny sigil
i do it all the time
gaunt acorn
he also just doesn't have a high school education
sometimes he doesn't even know the word in french lol
just roommates btw
tawny sigil
thats what speaking 2 language does to you
queen drift
roommates kapp
tawny sigil
you forget words... words get replaced in your head to another language and when you go back you're like, hum...
queen drift
i was calling snapchat snap cat the longest time before anyone corrected me
balmy wolf
The lovely H conundrum that the English language produces for non-native English speakers.
tawny sigil
no Chat mean cat in french
balmy wolf
yes I know this
balmy wolf
but xQc has been mocked for not getting the H correct in some words
tawny sigil
my friend annoys me about that all the time
queen drift
when i got it my phone was in french so i thought it was just called snap cat
in rench
french *
snap cat is cuter tbh
queen drift
omg no 😂
gaunt acorn
i just hope he gets a chance to turn up vs france
they're gonna be some tough opponents
queen drift
xqc > benbest but france > canada
gaunt acorn
not sure atm
balmy wolf
and here's xQc talking trash in French
the reaction by the French is profound
...annnnnd it's on!
gaunt acorn
france is probably gonna spam goats
tawny sigil
i'd rather listen to any french canadian speak english over any french in the community
tawny sigil
whenever a french speaker speak english in the league its like... PLZ STAPH
queen drift
id like to see them vs goats with not goats
queen drift
i mean and win
gaunt acorn
yeah, right
something with doomfist/sombra/hammond
perhaps not all at once
i can't say
balmy wolf
who doom's for canada right now? (I forget)
queen drift
agiltiies
?
balmy wolf
their ult economy I don't forget tho
gaunt acorn
hope torb rework is playable
balmy wolf
that would be interesting @gaunt acorn
queen drift
agilities is so quiet
gaunt acorn
benbest gonna be benworst
vs molten core
agilities uses his ults much more to clutch fights
definitely sits on them a bit for that reason
but i mean it typically works
sullen berry
i hope we see some pog benbest plays
when he sees a grav, just holds left click and win
molten core rework plus more hammond play
balmy wolf
fans want it but will they get it?
sullen berry
fans down here do see Australians against SK as winnable
queen drift
lol#
sullen berry
most of that may be rose-tinted glasses
their earlier weaknesses have to be patched up though
akraken plays really good ana
ryujehong-inspired sleep darts
karmic grotto
I still feel a bit disappointed that Ryujehong isn't in Korea team
Him and Jjonak make could be a terrific duo
I'm wondering why they don't play together when they Livestream
Would love to see that
agile vortex
‘Bout to try out for a OW league, any tips?
pearl stratus
RHJ and Jjonak would actually be a pretty horrible duo.
They overlap on literally every support that they play primarily.
Ana, Zen being the two primary picks for htem, and right now you don't necessarily want a Zen.
Which leaves out Lucio
Which you do want.
karmic grotto
@agile vortex Are you serious?
verbal roost
Record the tryout:D
verbal roost
Is this related to Tespa?
agile vortex
I think so, but I’m not too sure
verbal roost
good luck 😄
agile vortex
Thx dawg 👌
hybrid zodiac
@agile vortex omg good luck
whats your bnet? i can look for you on the big stage in feb 👌
agile vortex
It's Swift#11998 , I'll make sure to see you there lol
hybrid zodiac
what do you play as mostly?
agile vortex
Zen mainly, my secondary is DVA
hybrid zodiac
you have good taste
vagrant jacinth
Good luck @agile vortex
agile vortex
Wow, thx fellas 👌
hybrid zodiac
oh my friend thought yall might appreciate this thing i made:
i posted it in fanart but it isnt really art so idk
im just really excited to see the new teamsssss
agile vortex
Looks nice, the widowmaker skin reminds me of spiderman, in which she could fit that part lol
hybrid zodiac
she used to look EVEN MORE like spiderman lmao
limpid estuary
We could use more light/soft coloured teams
pearl stratus
I wish they did grant some of the color changes though.
Florida + Shanghai both could desperately use it.
Shanghai to a red/black, Florida to their Miami Vice shit
I actually wonder if you asked honestly if people would say if team colors had some advantageous stuff or not. I imagine it has to be hard(er) to flank as a giant neon yellow.
slow walrus
@pearl stratus the dev team figured out in game how to show spectators the team skins and players the default skins. In OWL, players only see overwatch default skins in every match while we see their team skins. On their monitors, it's default, on our screens, it's a colorful party
pearl stratus
Ah, smart. I should have figured that - pretty sure I even read it in an article.
On the wholesome af side of e-sports:
hybrid zodiac
awwwww
i like the idea of these famous kids who play the conputer game having to hold onto a rope when they go out so they dont get separated or lost
"hi im internationally-renown overwatch dps player Profit and i cant find my mom"
pearl stratus
I like that they don't even pretend to put real names.
hybrid zodiac
made with a label maker <3
torpid charm
Philly requested a color change but the league said nah
hybrid zodiac
mayhem NEEDs a color change....
the miami vice rebranding efforts are very cool, but whatever design language esports is converging on New Mayhem absolutely does not fit it
sullen berry
china teams would want to abuse the red-yellow schemes
but if they are catering to an international audience, lighter & warmer colours that have not been used will be really nice!
verbal roost
Did the new team colors/logos eta come out yet?
gaunt acorn
no
hybrid zodiac
dude i wish
while i was trying to do the branding for just 2 teams i discovered that coming up with colors is VERY HARD
everything is already associated with a team or reminds u of something else or seems derivative
gaunt acorn
branding seems pretty close to being revealed for some teams
notably atlanta
probably guangzhou, toronto, and dc as well
those will be the first ones i think
queen drift
rip paris
gaunt acorn
probably next season
upbeat marsh
i for one cannot wait to be dissapointed in a home team instead of 7 away teams
gaunt acorn
chicago was the 13th team for season 1 but no 14th team signed on so it was scrapped
they seemingly didn't try again for season 2
queen drift
im dying i need owl news
torpid charm
Not yet no
upper hawk
Shouldve been Shanghai
green stump
Now I want to see all the other teams make their own video responses instead of gif responses...
lets bring up the tension!!
sage bramble
hi
drowsy fulcrum
FunnyAstro and Fusions should be picked up for OWL tbhhh
balmy wolf
Who does Fusions play for?
drowsy fulcrum
Hurricane
drowsy fulcrum
EU Contender's is the best Contender's tbh
balmy wolf
Idk about that bud
drowsy fulcrum
Korea is too meta and US contender's is boring because US Overwatch is boring
EU is rad
balmy wolf
How is US Overwatch boring
drowsy fulcrum
because US Overwatch
balmy wolf
And Koreans don’t even follow the meta because they prefer to avoid cheap comps like goats
That makes so much sense
drowsy fulcrum
US Overwatch is boring because it's the weakest region lmao
balmy wolf
Lmfao
drowsy fulcrum
it's like watching normal streamers
balmy wolf
US has much better players and environment than EU
balmy wolf
You guys have an issue to even use comms in a game
drowsy fulcrum
if the US is so good why did they have to be put in a bracket stacked for them where they were guaranteed to win 🤔
drowsy fulcrum
the only remote challenge for the LA Qualifier was Canada and you know it
I mean
nah
balmy wolf
Idk tbh but I do recall the past two world cups being an NA vs Korean Finals
Last time I checked Canada was apart of NA
When was the last time you que’d for ranked and has proper comms?
drowsy fulcrum
look you don't get to call dibs on another country to defend "US has much better players"
US came dead last in the 2017 and 2018 Blizzcon stages
balmy wolf
Make that argument when an EU team gets to the World Cup finals
balmy wolf
Who
drowsy fulcrum
Russia
balmy wolf
But Russia is half EU and half Asia so it doesn’t count
drowsy fulcrum
in 2016 there were Russia, Sweden and Finland in top 4, 2017 had Sweden and France.
Russia is considered european for all major sporting events and has done since the mid 90s
balmy wolf
Ok I have to admit, I didn’t watch 2016 World Cup
But I did hear that it was a mess
And unorganized
drowsy fulcrum
the US didn't do much better in 2017 either mate
balmy wolf
Better enough to get to the finals if I recall
drowsy fulcrum
2
balmy wolf
Ok nvm I’m an idiot, I did watch the 2016 wc
bitter phoenix
We can't have canada.. but you can have the half the world?
And minus the pro scene NA > EU
paper crag
Does GOATS stand for something specific in OW or is it greatest of all time
Doesn’t seem like it’s the first letters of the heroes’ names
cerulean plume
its named after the team that popularized it
upper plinth
@balmy wolf koreans play cheap comps
London spitfire
They played goats in the grand final
upper plinth
You know england suck when their entire team is made up of Koreans
verbal roost
goats is a comp
mint turtle
I would play goats too if Hundreds of thousands of dollars were on the line
paper crag
Hey was daddy dream released during that season Boston went undefeated, or before it?
I.e. did Mistakes play the entire season that season?
gaunt acorn
@paper crag if you mean stage 3
he was removed near the beginning of it
he played like 3 of the 10 matches if my memory serves me correct
before being removed
paper crag
Ah okay. So DK did play a bit. Thanks
queen drift
mistakes was probably the weirdest release
warped axle
Hopefully announcements start happening soon. It's been such a dry week for cow news
Doesn't help that NA trials aren't being streamed 😬
limber pine
Twitter
pearl stratus
I mean.. he's a good person, but in terms of his ability he's arguably the worst mass-flex in the league.
So its not that surprising.
Especially after watching his World Cup performance, or whatever you'd call that.
I'm more excited about Kaisers news than OWL stuff right now
karmic grotto
Some random dude started to advertise on this channel
solid helm
ohh
ruby pendant
Players might feel real insecure with how easily they can be replaced!
gaunt acorn
if they're underperforming is that really a bad thing
surreal lichen
It’s a business not Barney and friends. Owl org pay a lot of money for these players and you want that money somehow. No wins=no money=bad investment.
balmy wolf
I heard rumors that shadowburn may have joined team paris. Does anyone have a source? Thx
idle beacon
@pearl stratus kaisers news?
ruby pendant
Letting an underperforming player leave a team is understandable. However, other leagues with underperforming players may have programs to help with life after their "sport" and they usually have higher paid minimum salary to upset their 1 year stay. The problem that I have with e-sports is that the minimum salary is a bit lacking for the effort a player puts in to getting on a national/international team(minimum for Overwatch League is 50k).
The only redeeming factor that I see in this is that players get free housing, good portion don't live in the U.S($50k will do more for them), and possible performance bonuses. If Overwatch does grow and e-sports as a whole grow, perhaps they will increase salary and initiative to upset these risks. Would rather become Overwatch castor than player!
rain imp
Ok
upper hawk
Similar to the other sports itll just be progressive
As top players demand a certain salary
The next top peformers ask for something similar or walk to someone who will pay it
Eventually the salaries keep climbing. As long as the league survives and players have lasting careers than itll happen
buuut if every 2 yrs teams are just gonna overhaul their whole squad for the next best 18-20 yr old kid phenom than maybe not
Plus itll also go along with having multi year contracts
Im honestly more concerned that these guys get a union. As of now the pay for a brand new league for VIDEO GAMES no less, isnt terrible
rain imp
Ya
coarse heath
Twitter
rain imp
The 20 yr old kid will probably keep happening
coarse heath
Closer to Dallas
warped axle
Dallas needed a flex DPS/off tank more than they needed Closer
Especially since Harry is pretty good
sullen berry
@limber pine a good note that OWL approval is warranted
iirc last time mayhem arranged sayaplayer's visa it either took a while or it didn't come through as fast as they needed him
sullen berry
I wanted all of mykL's sources to be false, but then I saw this today
https://twitter.com/KING_mykL/status/1051620064108171264
Twitter
Toronto esport's newest pickup didn't take long to impress the uprising
limber pine
I mean, that was the prevalent opinion when TO signed them
almost everybody immediately said it was to get around the signing window
sullen berry
the only opinion coming into the inaugural season back in January for boston was to see their more unique ethiopian support player snow
poor lad only had showing in preseason and their very final stage match against shanghai
torpid charm
Snow is such a nice guy
sullen berry
he and avast are like how custa was for the fuel
queen drift
Fuel are actually looking pretty good coming in to season 2
OGE, Effect, Closer, Unkoe
could you imagine OGE/Effect/Rascal/Closer/Unkoe 
lilac atlas
Wtf, closer? Thats from london
hidden vault
But dallas seriously needed a korean support anyways
lilac atlas
They arent gonna get it from spitfire, but harryhook is here to stay since Aero is trying to build him into a shotcaller
hidden vault
I assumed it made some sense cause closer has been overshadowed by NUS
lilac atlas
They go back and forth but yeah
hidden vault
If they can go back and forth like it's nth then I suppose there's no reason to kick him
Or send him to dallas
lilac atlas
Lol, maybe
Or a new off support since unkoe is probably asking to join the Paris team
hidden vault
Quite impossible cause dallas signed Unkoe (and akm)
Would be interesting if they get to Paris with soon
It important to keep 2 players of about the same skill together incase one goes down
Unless you are looking 4 players who have different play styles when you sub them in
hidden vault
Explain/proof?
queen drift
don't have a link right now, it was pretty common knowledge though
hasnt been reiterated since the soon leak / rumour
hidden vault
With the prove is always better
torpid charm
It makes sense
He’s got a good spot, just on a team that had a fair amount of issues to start out
surreal lichen
Where does this mykl person get these team infos? His so called “sources”
hidden vault
^
queen drift
if he made his sources known they wouldnt likely have jobs
hidden vault
(or fake)
queen drift
most of his leaks have been accurate
hidden vault
But I don't see anyone would go to him though
queen drift
he was a player in the ow scene for a long time
forest raven
The man has connections, as loathe as he is
hidden vault
are there instances where he has been wrong?
queen drift
he knows and is friends with a lot of owl players
up until the season break he's been very credible
since then he's gone more ambitious with leaks, and they can't really be confirmed because no teams are giving out info right now
forest raven
Whatever gets him clicks
queen drift
ye
queen drift
if his dafran / closer / soon leaks turn out to be wrong he'll lose A LOT of credibility
queen drift
agreed
forest raven
I gotta get back on the news train proper tbh
Haven't paid much attention to the scene since the grand finals
queen drift
other than teams releasing players nothing much has happened
gaunt acorn
the LA cup thing
forest raven
Is that Shock v Valiant
forest raven
When's that happening
pearl stratus
MykL has been good on rumors, bad on leaks. His Kate stuff lost him a bunch of respect because 1.) impartiality wasn't there 2.) conflict of interest 3.) nothing happened.
They got meh casters for the Cali Cup, which sucks.
queen drift
first 2 points are right, but 3 we just dont know
consequences or investigation into that would only happen behind closed doors
pearl stratus
Contenders Trials is happening, but those are hit on miss if they're even decent to watch.
By its own nature it makes 3 true though, because he'll never get vindication on it so he'll always look wrong.
It's like Slashers last stupid tweet.
About how there's been no cheaters ever so something must be wrong.
pearl stratus
Bren and Sideshow are meh.
forest raven
They're my BOIS
pearl stratus
Sideshow has all the hype of wet cardboard.
His analysis is on point but the mans as boring as toast.
gaunt acorn
he smells like wet cardboard too fyi
pearl stratus
I mean he's british, don't they just always smell moldy and musky cause of the rain? 😉
queen drift
wtf is this SHIT
pearl stratus
If I was them/OWL I would have used this opportunity to maybe do a bit more player casting/analysis. I think it'll be huge for growing things later on to start working on a talent pool.
forest raven
Sideshow is the straight man to Bren's Brenji
gaunt acorn
sideshow can get just as tilted
pearl stratus
I think having people available like your Reinforces/Jakes is going to be pivotal to growing your audience because they actually can explain with a bit more depth.
hidden vault
oh that reminds me
pearl stratus
Plus Jakes a pretty boy so he's perfect for the soccer moms when their kids watch.
hidden vault
where has slasher gone?
hidden vault
he and he's leaks
gaunt acorn
taking a break from overwatch
pearl stratus
mykL is the most punchable face, lets be fair.
hidden vault
^
pearl stratus
Like I don't even know him.
hidden vault
I don't even wanna punch jake or xQc
pearl stratus
But if I met him I'd probably punch him, swirly him, and take his lunch money.
queen drift
leaks in the offseason are pretty useless. they wont get confirmed for an extended period of time
hidden vault
just mykL and the ways he says stuff
pearl stratus
Oh I mean nothing about his content.
Just looking at his face.
I want to punch it.
Some people have those faces.
It's weird.
forest raven
Everything mykl does is to get more views and exposure lol