Of yeah, what are the rules for the 8 new teams with academy teams?
#esports-discussion
upper niche
queen drift
I don't think they're any different
pearl stratus
He actually whined that doing Contenders, etc would be a decline in his life because he would make less money than his stream.
Which is correct, but not right.
Seagull went OWL and flat out ditched his stream for the most part - he did what he had to do.
To say you don't want to do contenders because it will make you less money and you shouldn't have to is disrespectful because Kephrii is a shill.
He's not even a top widow. He's an okay ladder widow.
And ladder widow doesn't mean shit.
queen drift
/s
pearl stratus
He tricked a bunch of non-shits to stream with him for clicks.
Oh I know.
I just wanted to put it all back out there again.
queen drift
dudes just a shitbag tbh
pearl stratus
Remember when he streamed with SBB?
And SBB went "You have good aim, but you're not a good person."
queen drift
yea. felt bad for sbb
pearl stratus
And left his group?
Fucking savage.
When SBB says you're a bad person you should probably just kill yourself tbh.
queen drift
i would
pearl stratus
It's like Mr. Rogers being disappointed in you.
Just end it.
I'm more disappointed in mykL backing Kephrii up.
queen drift
ark, sbb, kariv and geguri
pearl stratus
I feel like people are going to end up getting crazy unprofessional about not being picked up from Tryouts when there's a literal ton of reasons why you might not be picked up, even if you're better skilled.
queen drift
people are arguing that they'll give kephrii a tryout for clout and publicity but
there's no way that ends well for them its ridiculous
pearl stratus
Like my return tweet would be "We did trial Kephrii but like his stream it was a complete waste of everyones time with substandard widow play."
"1/10 would not roster."
queen drift
That's the best outcome other than just ignoring it imo
fast basin
He's worse than Stage 3 taimou, which wasn't even owl material
but stage 4 taimou... now that gets me wet
wait uh...
👀
pearl stratus
Kephrii has never been amazing, because his personality is dog shit.
fast basin
He gets a warning for being reported
pearl stratus
You can spraypaint a pile of shit gold, doesn't make it suddenly not a pile of shit.
fast basin
"I guess I won't play Mei or Symmetra"
pearl stratus
It's just a sparkly pile of shit.
fast basin
does that make him a one trick?
clever ravine
I wish emongg would be on an OWL team
queen drift
he is 100% a one trick
fast basin
Emongg is OWL material I think
pearl stratus
Emongg isn't good enough, honestly Protean.
fast basin
really?
pearl stratus
He's got the Mickie mentality.
fast basin
I think he's good
pearl stratus
And he'd be good for morale.
pearl stratus
But he's not mechanically solid enough.
queen drift
I don't think he's good enough
pearl stratus
He's got the game sense, but his mechanics are poop.
queen drift
but as a personality? analyst? something like that, 100%
fast basin
CoccoachFTW
pearl stratus
It's like xQc - have you actually seen xQc call a game?
He's crazy fucking smart.
He can tell you exactly what a teams about to do, then 9/10 times they do it.
That's what Emon does.
pearl stratus
Unless you're Geguri.
queen drift
well massive brain little aim
fast basin
Or insert good offtank
pearl stratus
It's creepy.
queen drift
havent seen space play
sullen berry
space is a little overhyped
queen drift
saw geguri with the hackusation stuff ages ago
fast basin
Space's impact on the valiant tho
clever ravine
I think he is plenty good at off tank
sullen berry
but when you're having such a hard time pulling out the best western tanks
fast basin
Space is great
pearl stratus
See I wouldn't overhype Space - I'd overhype his d'va. But as an overall off-tank?
He's one of the few that plays all the roles to a pretty high level.
Up there with Fury+Meko.
fast basin
His Zarya makes me 💧
sullen berry
you only have a handful of western tanks amongst the currest 26 roster
fast basin
there
dusk hinge
So why the hate for kephrii?
fast basin
Stage 3? They get Custa and Space comes into the mix
dusk hinge
Note: ive never tuned into his steam
fast basin
Stage playoff qauilifier
dusk hinge
Stream
pearl stratus
Kephrii isn't a real person - he's basically just cancer and aids in a one-trick widow package.
fast basin
Stage 4: Nearly undefeated
pearl stratus
Who's super entitled.
fast basin
Kephrii is the embodiment of an egotistic one trick who thinks he's the best
pearl stratus
I also remember when Kephrii joined a team, then never scrimmed and never did anything with them. And then got mad when he got kicked
pearl stratus
Also remember Kephrii getting caught DM'ing young women.
queen drift
low gm widow OTP, refuses to play in contenders, wants to join OWL and has a history of being a scumbag
pearl stratus
No one needs another Dreamkazper.
queen drift
to be fair they weren't illegally young
that was a misconception
but its still scummy
clever ravine
I think Emongg is good enough to play high level off tank
pearl stratus
I don't. But that's just because of the disparity between ladder + real play.
You can look really good on ladder.
And it means nothing.
Ladder is like high school JV sports basically.
queen drift
I don't know, he has team experience
clever ravine
He communicates extremely well
queen drift
I just dont think he's owl level
pearl stratus
I could see him doing contenders, but that'd kill his stream.
queen drift
yup
pearl stratus
Basically at this point if you play ladder only I don't think you'll be good enough for OWL.
Just flat out.
Jjonak was a massive exception.
fast basin
waitwaitwait
Play ladder in hopes of going directly from a rando to OWL or being a player playing it for fun
bc OWL players play ladder
pearl stratus
Ladder only - Pros play ladder but its not in any aspect of refining their skill.
They just like the game.
Look at Shaz and Biggoose.
queen drift
Pros play ladder, that doesnt mean ladder = owl
pearl stratus
They're top 500 ladder - but they NEVER play support.
They just play DPS for ladder. Only.
So its not like they're using ladder to stay in practice.
sullen berry
there were 30+ tanks in the league during season 1: muma, space, mickie, OGE, fate, envy (rip), Roshan, MG (lol), geguri, meko, mano, fury, gesture, fissure, iiremix, bischu, miro, zunba, xepher, kuki, gamsu, note, zappis, cwoosh, mannetten, super, choihyobin, nevix, nomy, TAIMOU.
fast basin
HEY, Jjonak didnt go from ladder to OWL. He went from ladder to LW Blue while TRANSITIONING to OWL
queen drift
his first professional game was for NYXL
sullen berry
there's a few others I'm excluding if they only played tank for GOATS comp really late into stage 4 and playoffs
queen drift
forgot arc
fast basin
JJonak technicallly was on LW Blue before his first game.. for about a month he was technically on a non OWL team....
sullen berry
Arc6 and the split with sinaatraa super and danteh
fast basin
which immediately became an OWL team
sullen berry
queen drift
Yes but by the time he was signed they knew they were OWL
pearl stratus
But the point being that most people who will be picked up from OWL I don't think we'll see a single one from just ladder.
queen drift
before that, he had never played a professional game
fast basin
i dont make sense....
queen drift
he was a ladder only player
pearl stratus
You need to have that resume now.
queen drift
they talk about it themselves
pearl stratus
You need contenders or world cup.
clever ravine
I think the difference in skill for high level off tank player is fairly negligible
fast basin
Just please ignore me....
pearl stratus
Something to show you can actually do it.
fast basin
I dont want you to react to me... I dont make sense
pearl stratus
Oh I'd argue that to the moon and back Protean. There's huge differences.
queen drift
^
fast basin
my insanity is contagious
sullen berry
purely ladder is a marketing approach
pearl stratus
Hell look at the difference just between Mickie and other Off-tanks.
sullen berry
"NOBODY KNEW HIM UNLESS YOU WERE IN COMP"
pearl stratus
Look at Fury and Space's ult eating on D'va.
queen drift
oldmou hog, zunba zarya, fury space dva
pearl stratus
Or Zunba's Zarya charge time.
fast basin
HEY, to be fair, Mickie was great PRE micromissiles
pearl stratus
There's huge noticeable gaps between OT's even at the smallest levels.
Or MG.
Arguably the most made fun of D'va in the league.
But those two games he played Hog?
fast basin
Mickie ate lots of things during Apex
pearl stratus
Dude put on a clinic.
sullen berry
I just want to see gods validated promoted/sold to DC
clever ravine
I think emongg is better than Mickie though lol
pearl stratus
But Apex was a million skill caps ago though.
queen drift
emongg is better than mickie ye but that isnt saying much
fast basin
there wasn't a consistent anything
pearl stratus
Apex players versus their players now are night and day difference.
queen drift
or jehong, miro, tobi
pearl stratus
Actually I'll argue Arhan.
fast basin
idk
pearl stratus
The two games he played on Houston he was solid.
pearl stratus
Miro would be the big one.
pearl stratus
Miro never learned new tricks on Winston.
Jehong I want to see how this season goes.
fast basin
Miro taught everyone how to winston, then everyone passed him
queen drift
miro going from best main tank in the world to ryujekong in 1s
pearl stratus
Because Seoul had no Mercy player.
queen drift
with ana meta im HOPING jehong will be good again
pearl stratus
So we had Tobi and RHJ flexing onto something they hated, and neither playing something comfortable.
pearl stratus
And the sleep on Effect.
fast basin
yeah but Ana sucked in the meta d uring S1
queen drift
just saying i want to see it in s2 in actual ana meta
jehong was always an ana/zen main
fast basin
longest map of the season was on Day 3 of the season
pearl stratus
Yeah, if its still there.
pearl stratus
His Zen still fragged out decently.
queen drift
overshadowed by jjonak
pearl stratus
Everyone was though.
queen drift
even shaz at times
pearl stratus
Actually Bdosin was the sleeper Zen.
fast basin
Jjonak set those expectations
pearl stratus
So quiet, so deadly.
fast basin
Hagopeun was good, like it or not
queen drift
i get bdosin and hagopuen confused, i would have said it otherwise
fast basin
meh
pearl stratus
Bdosin was quiet but impactful. You never heard his name screamed.
fast basin
Won Apex S4 didnt he
pearl stratus
But he never played badly.
fast basin
Bdosin and Profit were consistent
pearl stratus
He showed up, did his thing, killed some folk, and went home.
fast basin
and Profit is in Mykl's pants
pearl stratus
I hope Birdring is back up to form for S2.
Because those two are one of my favorite duos.
Just because they play -everything-. Both of them.
So you never know whats coming at you.
queen drift
i feel like libero doesnt get enough attention
i know he gets a lot of attention
but still not enough
pearl stratus
I think its because he gets kind of pidgeonholed.
Because SBB/Pine both have somewhat smaller pools.
In the grand scheme of things.
So while Libero can flex to pretty much everything he gets a bit constrained by their picks.,
Like if Pines in a game you know 99% you're only getting Widow/McCree out of him.
queen drift
its unfortunate, the only picks they're better than him at are tracer, mccree, widow imo
soldier is kind of a toss up but id still go with libero
pearl stratus
I think fl0w3r/nanohana is overhyped af.
Personally.
I know he's good, don't get me wrong. But he's never been as good as he was before the injuries.
queen drift
Agreed
sullen berry
😔
queen drift
dude practically forced himself into injury
pearl stratus
He had to change his entire aiming because he was destroying his arm, didn't he?
queen drift
yeah
pearl stratus
And his new aiming isn't as good as the old one, flat out.
He's still great and I want to see him paired with Libero.
But I'm not going crazy like a lot of people are.
pearl stratus
Right now, provided no meta changes, I'm oddly hyped for Houstons DPS rotation ability.
But the meta will change.
So it doesn't much matter.
queen drift
meh i dislike houston
sullen berry
I don't think the love for patiphan will translate
clever ravine
Yeah I'm not a Houston fan either
queen drift
for who
pearl stratus
Patiphan has forever to go, he's only 14.
So even if he gets a contenders thing, he'll be there for a while.
sullen berry
that's just dependent on just how many teams are looking at recruiting him into their contenders lineup
pearl stratus
But I'll argue that was the toughest division of all the OWWC ones.
And he really showed up.
France was the worst, then Cananda/US, then Incheon, then Bangkok.
sullen berry
You don't get this amount of hype for his plays during Contenders Pacific
pearl stratus
Bangkok by far had the best games.
sullen berry
since they are actually playing against Monster Shield KR in that division
there's two full korean teams
pearl stratus
Most people don't want Contenders Pacific I'd argue.
sullen berry
and neither of them made it to semifinals playoffs
pearl stratus
That part of the world is kind of ignored by a lot of people in the OW community, its never been known to produce crazy players.
I think that's slowly changing with what Australia and Thailand put up this year though.
sullen berry
pacific has normalised a whole lot of carry potential from players who may have really good depth to play in the bigger contenders rosters rather than straight to OWL
clever ravine
South America will forever be ignored
queen drift
SA gets more attention than pa
sullen berry
disappointing to say the least if colorhex from Sydney drop bears is the only straight minor-contenders pickup
sullen berry
EU, Pacific, Australia > SA
KR > China, NA
all that sharing a prize pool of < $3.8M
heh
long belfry
@queen drift there is Isurus in Argentina, but they changed half of the roster
They have Klaus, who is at least a Contenders NA Tracer
He owned Soon in owwc 2017
But he is 17
warped axle
I still have hope that Mowee ends up on a Chinese team
sullen berry
I want to see mowee do well
paper crag
I think I read somewhere that the OWL client doesn’t give you kill cams
Is this true?
If it is, is it to prevent players from checking enemy ult status, or something else?
upper niche
The server settings have kill cam disabled, yes.
round obsidian
So what do you guys think of gator being signed to Atlanta? (leak)
Personally idk how to feel about this because on one hand I feel like he should still be banned from competitive
And on the other he’s one of the top NA main tanks and I wanna see him vs the rest of the pros
sullen berry
I don't follow, gator from GOATS?
upper niche
I don't know who he is - what was he banned for?
bitter phoenix
Wait gator got signed. I think he will do well he is a solid main tank
red anvil
Likely a bench player, but time will tell
bitter phoenix
Wasn't it Carter that was on dreamkiddieporn's side and was like talking shit about the girl and he got a year suspension from contenders
long belfry
Gator was banned for a year for boosting
round obsidian
@sullen berry it’s gator from goats
@upper niche he basically did everything
Toxic, wintrading, boosting, racism etc...
upper niche
You sure he didn't play for Dallas Fuel too?
round obsidian
Lul
upper niche
I mean at this point it basically is a strike itself.
round obsidian
@red anvil gator is top 5 NA main tank
Without a doubt
Anyone who picks him up is gonna start him, no way he rides the bench
red anvil
That dosn't help much when they have a korean named Popko
round obsidian
A Korean named Popko on a team with majority English speakers and gator being a well known IGL
red anvil
there is a lot of koreans on atlanata
round obsidian
Ye korean or not they’re gonna go gator over popko
I’m not gonna say gator is as good as fissure
But imagine if fissure’s main language was English and he could efficiently speak with his team and coordinate
That’s gator
red anvil
Not really, not when the OT is Daco, a guy Popko have been playing with for months now
top 5 NA tank i can agree with, but that is only because most NA tanks are shit
round obsidian
Eh I wouldn’t say they’re shit
I just think the NA tanks who stand out stand out because they’re so far above the ones who don’t
round obsidian
It’s less about NA MTs being shit overall and more about the disparity in skill between NA MTs
Like who do we even have
Not even in the league but in NA as a whole
Muma, xQc and Gator are the ones that spring to mind
sullen berry
just the handful
round obsidian
Oh shit ye how could I forget super
red anvil
and thats it
round obsidian
Fctf doesn’t make the list
sullen berry
there were 30+ tanks in the league during season 1, including frequest flex players: muma, space, mickie, seagull, OGE, fate, envy (rip), Roshan, MG (lol), geguri, meko, mano, fury, gesture, fissure, iiremix, bischu, miro, zunba, xepher, kuki, gamsu, note, zappis, cwoosh, mannetten, super, choihyobin, nevix, nomy, TAIMOU.
fctfctn rip
how many there in the overwatch league deserved more recignition is lacking
round obsidian
Maybe around OWWC 2017 he would but definitely not now
sullen berry
because most of them have never really competed at this level
sullen berry
it's nice to be reminded that Taimou's off-tank game is not bad
sullen berry
but far from anything profit couldn't do better
long belfry
Taimou's hog ir really good
sullen berry
Profit Bastion
from Apex
it still hasn't been shut down because it's almost unpredictable against the teams he'll pull it off
round obsidian
As a rule most dps mains are good off tanks
Just because of the large amount of transferable skills
long belfry
EnvyUS Bastion against FaZe
sullen berry
pearl stratus
Also Rip Harsha making content because he has nothing else to do now.
hidden vault
Actually if Dafran is signed into Atlanta
Is he likely to get more pay then Seagull?
clever ravine
I don't think Seagull had an issue with his pay
I thought it was the time investment
pearl stratus
You also have to think historically at him - yes he'll get a slightly increased salary but there's also a chance all the shit he's done will -decrease- his salary.
Banned from Contenders, banned from community rep from WC, etc.
His resume is more bad than good.
It's like OGE.
If you told me OGE was making the absolute league minimum I wouldn't be surprised.
He got banned from the pro-scene in Korea for boosting, so he most likely had to accept any deal thrown to him to survive.
queen drift
Seagull was the highest payed player on fuel so idk
pearl stratus
Seagull was more hired for his stream base by all accounts however, since it was wholesome stream stuff.
Dafran/xQc have shit tier stream base.
karmic grotto
Seagull is cool
pearl stratus
Seagull is cool, and his followers tend to be cool because he tells them flat out when stuff is or isn't cool.
xQc/Dafran are run by their twitch chat, and it actually (especially after season 1) detracts from their overall player value.
pearl stratus
It's his persona now based on how his twitch chat responds/trolls/donates.
He's still a very smart OW player. He just has a cesspool for a community. It's like free planned parenthood commercials.
green stump
You also have to consider that a lot more is ok the line for defran than Atlanta, similar to xac, if you can't perform and you get ripped to pieces, your reputation is on the line, many people were die hard xqc fans when he went to owl and he was average at best. If s similar situation happened to defran, it really makes his fans reflect as well
queen drift
I don't think Dafran will suffer even if he performs badly. If he perfrms REALLY badly MAYBE, but I mean, it's dafran. He'll be average at worst. Even then, if he flunks out, gets banned, resigns whatever, he'll have his stream
magic zinc
I think for signing Dafran it might be safest to have a 'meh' wage but plenty of bonuses so you dont lose your money if he gets suspended or does anything stupid
queen drift
the only thing I can see really being a downside for his fame is his clippability, in soloq its easier to pop off and kill the whole team n shit
that gets viral, he gets more attention, stream gets better for him
in owl thats harder
magic zinc
Idk Dafran + Gator doesnt sound like an incredibly wholesome team lol
And then there was the situation around the staff
queen drift
Dafran isnt as bad as Gator imo, Gator is a cunt
Dafran is just stupid
what happened with the staff?
magic zinc
And appearently there wasn't enough cash or something? So I doubt they can bring in too many big names
queen drift
wasnt that DC
queen drift
haha
all g
they'll probably run into a similair situation eventually, though.
all these expansion teams paying so much to get in
magic zinc
On the other hand a sponsor can really double down on it, logic being that if they spend so much just to get in they might as well spend more to actually be contenders
queen drift
not really how investors would see it i think
would be more like, lets put half our eggs in this basket
see how it goes
if it flunks, GET THE FUK OUT BOIS
if it does well.. put another couple eggs in, see how it goes
queen drift
same
i hope DC is going to get some decent additions
dont want my bois to be wasted
magic zinc
I want EU news 
Hopefully Paris goes for EU
And not just France
Get my boy Vizility a spot pog
queen drift
they cant really go just for france can they?
magic zinc
I mean they could just sign Eagle Gaming + BenBest and call it a day
queen drift
so much of me just wants to see classic teams in owl
rogue selfless envyus lw blue lunatic hai
but they'd do so bad
queen drift
😂 i love it
balmy wolf
Vgg
long belfry
Zzzzzzzz
pearl stratus
Danteh playing a ton of Zarya lately.
soft jetty
BENBEST rumors 
languid crown
agile quartz
dps, tank or support for solo carry?
upper niche
"it depends".
If your healers are good, why replace them? If they're total ass, then you'll gain the most by replacing them.
You need to balance how much better (or worse) you are on X against how much better you are on Y.
upper niche
The latter is good for a laugh.
At least the people in c-d don't pretend to be know-it-alls.
warped axle
Paris team rumored not going full French
They can basically make the EU superteam
Twitter
torpid charm
Yeah, the main thing said about the Paris team is that they wanted a full EU team, not necessarily a full French team since a majority of the good French players are already in the league and not looking to leave really
upper niche
Fragi?
gaunt acorn
gaunt acorn
i don't think kragie wants to play
hidden vault
LOLS winz
I'm sure he's not in the contenders team
I'll take aKm and Unkoe from dallas though
But soon and poko probably doesn't wanna leave their teams
And poko isn't rogue
hidden vault
Is dallas's management good now?
gaunt acorn
aero is a very capable coach, yes
gaunt acorn
unkoe has a starter position, likes his current situation, teammates
sullen berry
a forced narrative
which
doesn't seem far off from Envyus or lunatic hai's success transfer into the OW League
red anvil
Saying Unkoe doesn't want to leave, is misleading @gaunt acorn
He would most likely leave to join baguette team if he could
Yes Aero is coach for Dallas, but Daemon appears to be coach for Paris - a guy unkoe is really close to
hidden vault
@sullen berry LW Blue's transfer was a success (minus playoffs)
And arguably GC Busan and KongDoo
Paris would probably prefer a baguette team but due to the limited french players and the best ones in overwatch
Which is probably why they Fall back to having an EU team
red anvil
The baguette team will most likely go full Baguette next season
easier to get players then
hidden vault
Kaku you mean season 3?
red anvil
yup
Thing is that players contract expire before next season, so they are more free to choose who they sign with
hidden vault
It would be really unprofessional to release players whom served you well in the previous season and not allow them to continue in the next season
Unless otherwise stated before hand?
And Dallas confirmed aKm and Unkoe anyways
red anvil
It's not a question about the org not resigning the players, its a question if the players wants to resign with the org
coming into this season - the players really had no choice on resigning with the org due the 1+1 contract
hidden vault
1+1 contract meaning? The players was signed 2 season?
red anvil
In practice yes
The org could keep the players for 2 seasons, but could also release them after 1 season if they decided to
That's why OGE was angry that people congratulated him with being resigned with Dallas, he had no choice to resign with Dallas
sullen berry
re-sigh
the wording is correct
but a player resigning
and the moment when a player renewing their contract is also called resigning
red anvil
Dallas were pricks when they were talking about "resigning" there players like something good
like the players had no darn choice
pallid dirge
resigned to resign
hidden vault
That's not fair
The orgs could sign the players if they want to or not
But the players could must sign with their org even if they did not want too
sullen berry
careful though that the wording has always been this way
fluid shale
Discuss: OWL numbers have peaked and will start a gradual stagnation
karmic grotto
What do you mean?
fluid shale
I think there are too many games, and interest will wane
I don't think current trajectory is sustainable
vagrant niche
numbers are big because they add sprays etc for the normies
only a fraction of the community really cares about watching good experienced and coordinated matches
I have asked people on my games out pro plays, and only a handful actually care or know about it
that should speak volumes, given this game is based on competitive gameplay
karmic grotto
Except, not every game is competitive as it should be
vagrant niche
correct
aka, 0-40
lets just hope, as viewers, all teams for season 2 get competent rosters
cause right now, watching pro play is the only fun thing about Overwatch, I can't say I enjoy playing the game anymore
fringe nebula
Have you ever tried to join a team? Cause that really fuelled my passion for the game again
vagrant niche
teams are a commitment, i might not be available every specific day on a specific time all the time
fringe nebula
ah ok
fringe nebula
yeah, but that is probably due to software development producing errors or something like that
vagrant niche
smol indie company btw
fringe nebula
errors appear in any company whether big or small, its just that bigger companies are faster at fixing
Errors occur so much in coding, with fixing errors creating new ones
upper niche
20 teams is going to seriously hurt the league.
vagrant niche
you think so? less games so more impactful
upper niche
I don't believe there are 240 players that can play at that level.
vagrant niche
less games per team
upper niche
The difference between the best and worst teams is going be a vast gap. Don't be surprised if the 4 Chinese teams end up being a B league, if Shanghai are anything to go by. Now there's not one but four teams thst have to find players that can compete at that level?
deft valley
Shanghai didn't even get their best players
vagrant niche
isn't the chinese tank due pretty good?
he looked pretty dominant on the world cup
upper niche
Yeah, but between four teams they have to find 36-48 players.
vagrant niche
don't worry, Geguri will carry them cause she so good
upper niche
So sure, there might have been one or two good players scattered around here and there... But they need a consistent full roster of players - each.
vagrant niche
and Ado is coming for that booty
if rumors are true
anyhow, we'll see
im more concerned about mayhem
vagrant niche
the people who are new who knows as well they will fair
upper niche
Sanfran, Paris, Vancouver, Toronto... Also unknowns.
vagrant niche
even tho people are saying canada is going to get that korean contenders
who seem to be very good
and I think shangai is trying to get the 2nd place korean contenders
I cant wait for the Paris memes
"EU AIM "
when is blizcon again?
i want to see the worldcup
mint turtle
sullen berry
It's fat enough to ensure proper planning and prep
sullen berry
Every match Paris wins
I buy a baguette
At the end of the stage if they make it to playoffs
I'll grab a whole lot of orangina to have with the baguette in one sitting
long belfry
sullen berry
Time is running out before Custa & Akraken in team Australia to properly fuse to outplay jjonak and ark
Given the difference in time periods of both teams with support synergy
I'm surprised Australia held up so well against China and low-key Sweden
pearl stratus
torpid charm
The depiction of Philly fans in that video is very inaccurate
pearl stratus
I dunno, they're kind of clingy and weird.
queen drift
Not as much as Boston or Houston
cosmic verge
lmfao dallas
torpid charm
Wow I feel personally attacked, Endoken
gaunt acorn
uh oh
torpid charm
I never realized how far away Blizzcon is until it hit me today
Like we got a whole fucking month till it’s here
pearl stratus
Yep, all for a fight between four teams realistically.
Since I don't expect Australia or France to do much.
Also the video of Seouls coach playing OW is hilarious, dudes in gold.
torpid charm
the thumbnail is just him with a big ass 
on his forehead
pearl stratus
I mean its a weird misconception that in OW you have to be good to be smart, when its like any other sport really.
torpid charm
Very true
queen drift
I think it’s just extremes tbh
Every coach I’ve had below master has actively given wrong info
Mostly because they’re players who weren’t good enough for t500 / gm etc so they try coaching
I’m sure people who actually try to coach are different
pearl stratus
Yeah, also when you know you're shit its easy to be a bit more objective.
In my opinion.
Less of the "I'd do this." more of the "This is what should be done"
queen drift
Ex player coaches also tend to put more importance on their role
pearl stratus
It's like when I play Fantasy Football. I literally know the absolute minimum about it, but I tend to do well because of that. I have no preconceived notions about players based on their name/team.
They're all just numbers.
queen drift
I had a coach who was a 3.9 offtank main
I was like 4.2 at the time, season 9 or so
Dude was convinced hog was the most important hero
queen drift
Elaborate?
pearl stratus
The stupid change of "If you can fire more, faster, it makes up for all the other changes."
When it tends to just be a dps loss.
long belfry
The rockets do the same damage
pearl stratus
Which is what happened when they messed with hog, but upped his ammo by one to "compensate"
long belfry
If you cant land directs, find another hero
queen drift
I agree with the idea but I think pharah is in a different spot
pearl stratus
So if you're talking a single target direct hit, then yes they do. If you're talking about dealing with a goats comp? It's actually a noticeable dps loss.
long belfry
Directs still do 120
pearl stratus
Okay cool. Now hit 3 targets with splash and redo the math.
long belfry
And now faster
queen drift
Goats is easier to hit with pharah for me
long belfry
Its easy af to hit directs against goats
pearl stratus
Yes, that wasn't what I asked.
I said do the math on a 3 target splash.
Before and after 😛
long belfry
These changes are a buff to good players and a nerf to bad ones
queen drift
I don’t get what you mean though, in goats you’ll be hitting direct hits?
pearl stratus
In goats your direct will also typically hit 2-3 other players, on average.
With splash.
queen drift
That’s true but the damage is more accurate, so much better for co ordinated play or even an accurate pharah
Two shots on most supports
long belfry
Instead of about 2 seconds to kill squishes, its now about 1.5
And it doesnt sound like much
But it is huge
queen drift
I just want anti goats to be as viable as anti dive tbh
pearl stratus
I don't think its going to pan out like that, though I could be wrong.
long belfry
You can literally kill the base of goats
pearl stratus
Though the only people I've seen play her on PTR right now has really been Valkia and Seagull.
So the sample size is pretty small.
long belfry
If you leave them without powerful heals, the comp turns into a feedfest
Its easier to kill squishes now
And now you can kill a Pharmercy more reliably
pearl stratus
Random tangent back to esports - Why are people so stupid that they try and commit career suicide by complaining on their twitter about not getting picked up?
pearl stratus
I mean more than just him. Crimzo was getting whiny for a bit, etc.
queen drift
kephrii wasnt too bad about it
i mean, he was kephrii, i guess the right word would be he wasnt as bad as he could be about it
pearl stratus
Yeah I'm more worried about players who actually matter.
Kephrii doesn't matter, he doesnt' have a future
But if you're a contenders player whining about trials is not a great plan, not a great image for your future brand.
queen drift
just wait for him to wash up even further and ask for an analyst spot
vagrant niche
can someone explain to me what's up with the Kephrii hate?
i remember early on the game being one of the popular widow streamers
queen drift
yup
more recently its because of him asking for a tryout for owl
refusing to play in contenders
and his only hero being widow
at low gm
vagrant niche
i mean, he's not the only one that skipped contenders tho
limber pine
in Season 1, sure
long belfry
The ones that did is because they are actually good
limber pine
but idk if anybody for Season 2 will be
long belfry
Note, EQ0
vagrant niche
clockwork?
long belfry
He wasnt a noname
vagrant niche
KCF?
long belfry
Clock played for FNRGFE
long belfry
Note was in tier 3
copper solstice
Clockwork was a tf2 player also
long belfry
And EQ0's only apearance before owl was in owwc 2017
vagrant niche
it's weird cause from what i remember
Kephrii was seem as a good guy
he did good things
like he housed someone etc
i just didn't kept in touch of pros pre OWL
and i'm not much of a stream monster
he must have done something worse than Fissure
to get that bad reputation
pearl token
The hate is probabaly a bit overboard but it seems to mostly stem from him thinking he should get a tryout for OWL when he doesnt really play at that level at all
deft valley
that's not where the hate comes from lul
pearl token
i watched his stream for a while yesterday. He was tilted and arguing with ppl in chat who were giving him crap. Which kind of sucks for him since hes just trying to do his thing
deft valley
it's not like he's getting anywhere with it anyway
vagrant niche
I don't think Seagull was OWL worthy neither, i seen his stream
he's just a very charismatic personality
which i have no problem with that
deft valley
seagull isn't a one trick at least
vagrant niche
i can agree with that
pearl token
But watching him play...hes just meh idk. He can hit a lot of headshots sometimes on small targets and then i also saw him miss consecutive body shots on tanks
And yeah to try and one trick when his one trick isnt even at the lvl needed to be in owl
Idk. Everyone wishes they could play games professionally. But he rly should just stick to his stream. Its more viable anyway
vagrant niche
I remember back in the days, he was one of the widows that could not be dove by Winstons
and his reaper was very good as well
also, because someone is perceived as one trick
it doesn't mean they cannot improve and branch their pool
is up to whoever to decide to let him give a chance
so was he like asking for a spot on a team?
i just don't see anything wrong with him asking to be trial, not sure why people made threads about it getting worked up
is up to whoever team that decides if he's more worthy than contenders, not us
that's just my point of view
I honestly think what Fissure did was worse than OGE, and it seems OGE is a whole better person than him. Yet im not rile up and making threads about it
limpid estuary
Is the next stage of World Cup at Blizzcon?
If so, does that mean it will be played on the Halloween patch with Torb/Pharah changes?
torpid charm
Yes the next stage is at Blizzcon and I don’t know honestly
balmy wolf
Probably not
pearl stratus
Its mostly players that are mad at kephrii which is valid. Especially the shit head way he brushed off contenders as a step back. It's not meant maliciously but it's a slight to the people working part time and grinding for their chances just so a mediocre as shit player can ask for a try out. Sets a really bad precedent.
Also we already had dreamkazper, don't need dreamkephrii. That guys about a deep as his hero pool.
vagrant niche
to be honest
Dreamkazper was very good player
he was the only thing i liked about boston
vagrant niche
pearl stratus
Kephrii already fucked over his wife, he'd do the same to a team.
pearl stratus
He cheated on his wife with fans?
vagrant niche
i remember he was teaching her how to play widow and he was pretty cool
oh?
undad?
pearl stratus
No. Undead actually made it to the owl.
But you're not wrong. It is the teams choice I just don't think any team would be stupid enough to do it minus Boston.
Because Boston historically will trial anyone.
It's how they work.
glacial bear
Is dafran joining>
limber pine
nothing official yet
glacial bear
yea guess we will find out in novemver then
The patch will stay the same through the tournement for world cup
Even owl changes it only between stages
limber pine
Yup OP Mercy got implemented for Blizzcon last year
ruby pendant
Would be nice if Season 2 will have a more diverse meta, avoiding mirror matches.
limber pine
OWL will always have the higher possibility of mirror matches because it's team-oriented and they play the best meta comp possible.
OWWC is a bit better for them cuz you have teams that don't have a lot of practice or familiarity \
karmic grotto
What if Blizzard decides to ban meta heroes and let the teams play with non-meta?
deft valley
never happening
limber pine
that'd be a terrible decision
karmic grotto
In that case, nerfing meta and buffing non-meta might change something, right?
vagrant niche
i wonder
how torb is going to be now
his damage looks good
and how will hero 29 will impact the meta
hopefully another tank similar to D.Va
limber pine
@karmic grotto Blizzard has always done that (at varying speeds)
vagrant niche
I still think people are sleeping on Symetra
and she's actually good
specially with goats
limber pine
but which goat do you remove for Symmetra
vagrant niche
a tank
limber pine
hm
solid helm
a goat is a tank?
limber pine
Noukky and British Hurricane are doing an AMA on r/Overwatch! Answers begin at 5:30 EST: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/9ktxjl/ama_british_hurricane/
limber pine
balmy wolf
what does everyone think of the kephrii controversy? Personally i am a dc local myself and i would love to have him on the team since he is from the area. Does this give him an inherent advantage as a player over other candidates? In my opinion yes and that doesnt change my opinion. Thoughts pls?
vagrant niche
@balmy wolf scroll up
queen drift
You are the consumer they are targeting so if you think its a fair advantage and you'd want to have him, that's what they're aiming for
however
he would be bad for the team if they want to win
or look good
or be good
or not feed their ass off
balmy wolf
i know this and i embrace it. Having a dc local on the team would still be awesome
queen drift
Kephrii is a low gm widow OTP, had an affair with his wife with a bunch of female mods from his twitch stream, completely disrespected contenders players and teams
balmy wolf
hes decent at least
queen drift
hes really not
he can only play one hero, and even that hero is only at low gm level
balmy wolf
i would put him on par with mistakes at least for his wm not about other heros
queen drift
because mistakes doesnt play widow
im pretty sure OWL was his first actual time as widow
fast basin
Mistakes was forced into a bad situation to play heros he didn't have time to learn.
balmy wolf
well the team has 12 roster slots
fast basin
Compare that to Kephrii, who's been Meh since the game started
balmy wolf
i think the best situation would be to have kephrii as a specialist
queen drift
really not though
he'd be bad for pr
he'd be bad in game, he cant compete with owl widows
fast basin
Even specialists have to be somewhat flexible. Tracer, Widow, Mccree. He only plays Widow at a meh level
balmy wolf
thats the biggest reason for them to consider signing him
queen drift
??????????
balmy wolf
hes from the dc area
queen drift
thats the ONLY reason
balmy wolf
yes i am aware
and i think that would be pretty cool as long as there are other dps on the team
queen drift
and even then him being from near dc isnt going to outweigh being a serial cheater, disrespectful ass and in general a predatory twat
kephrii going to dc would be a 100% BAD choice for DC
balmy wolf
this is all subjective at this point
queen drift
its not though
balmy wolf
i think u raise a fair point
fast basin
None of these teams care about what city or state they come from. Not a single person on the Mayhem is from Florida. Not a single player on most teams is from the city or state their team reperesents.
queen drift
its all been proven
do you want a serial cheater and KNOWN dickweed on your team just because they're from DC
and would that make you proud to support dc
balmy wolf
hmm
fast basin
Being near a certain area doesn't change the fact he's a controversial, disrespectful, unreliable Widow OTP.
queen drift
I really do get what you mean, it would be awesome to have players local to the area in a team franchised to a specific city
but trust me kephrii is the worst option
balmy wolf
hes rly the only option from the area that i know of but oh well whatever
fast basin
Being a specialist even, he only plays one hero, who he doesn't compare to other OWL widows on.
queen drift
OWL widows that get shit on by other OWL widows would shit on kephrii
karmic grotto
Hmm, it can be tested right
I'm sure there are Widow players that are very good but unknown
vagrant niche
if i were to ask who the best widow right now, is either S4 or Carpe
i just hope Saya and Fleta make a big comeback next season
limber pine
I’m also a dc native and I want to win
If kephrii does that, then so be it
But pleading on Twitter for a tryout doesn’t sell it to me
vagrant niche
guys, Kephrii might have better characters, who knows tho
karmic grotto
vagrant niche
maybe he been working to improve
look at Dafran trying to branch his pool recently
limber pine
Then go try out
vagrant niche
ye
gaunt acorn
no way any team is giving him a tryout now
vagrant niche
btw, didn't that leaker Mykl said something about something bigger than Dafran would be announced?
i have no heard of anything big
as of yet
karmic grotto
Kephrii wants to play Widow, had he ever played against Carpe
gaunt acorn
never happened
queen drift
Tviq to nyxl
vagrant niche
midnight vessel
fast basin
Support for Team Gigantti
warped axle
Tbh if there was a bidding war between Mayhem and Paris I wouldn't be surprised if Paris was willing to pay more
Massa is Pog
paper crag
do we know who's sponsoring Paris?
gaunt acorn
@paper crag same owners as the soccer club olympique de marseille
copper solstice
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That soccer team is worth like 285m saids forbe
So I bet the overwatch team will be in good hands
Also owner of the Paris group is American guy who used to own the dodgers
sullen berry
forgot how pumping the grand finals beats are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9l1KtNdnWQ&index=40&list=PLYexv1BYLCoPVGA57Gqq0Am91KvtT2p1c
gaunt acorn
apex tho
sullen berry
ah yes
the dubstep was strong and iconic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCg_WaRU9OQ
that one made every break exciting compared to the OW League stage intermissions
sullen berry
now I miss production https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshkH6SKtO0
the AR overlay
it was the first time I've seen anything like it and they all fit in such a eccentric esports broadcast
wind citrus
sullen berry
the only takeaway from the first minute of an otherwise meh twitch compilation
Kephrii doesn't feel like he needs to put in more effort by going through the same channels to make it to pro
vagrant niche
it seems there will be an announcement tomorrow about the korean contender runaway team
sullen berry
they about to
run away to become an OW League team
one hopes to be excited to hear this instead of making runaway defunct
vagrant niche
so canada will be Korean?
gaunt acorn
yes, essentially
vagrant niche
i'm sure canadians wont be thrilled about that
gaunt acorn
vancouver is like 50% asian
i'd love to see people try and complain
i'm just glad to have a team like runaway representing my city
vagrant niche
given the good canadian talent that exists on the league
gaunt acorn
you can't do a full roster of canadians
vagrant niche
i never said that
vagrant niche
highly unlikely
gaunt acorn
xqc isn't going to return, crimzo is likely gonna sign elsewhere
the rest are tied to their current teams
and there's some up-and-coming talent like kellar
but they aren't owl-ready, i don't think
would've been nice to have a canadian dream-team but i'm happy to have runaway nonetheless
i just hope they beef up their coaching staff
sullen berry
and for the sake of viable competition
who else is ready to announce a full korean roster
gaunt acorn
getting a roster of contenders players with no owl experience to be on par with owl teams that have a year of experience under their belts
won't be easy
sullen berry
to contend against the spitfire and excelsior in the atlantic division? FISSURE?
gaunt acorn
coaching staff better be good
sullen berry
lowkey if fissure can play well in seoul dynasty
we have some real contention between the divisions
gaunt acorn
i still like fissure as a player
sullen berry
crucial for season 2 playoffs
gaunt acorn
but he's undeniably a real jerk
sullen berry
^
gaunt acorn
i just hope he can finally do his best
now that he got everything he wanted
and not bitch any longer
sullen berry
tbh he is getting progressively better
you can't say during his limited time
that he has peaked personally
but seoul is going to need some catching up
gaunt acorn
i have high hopes
sullen berry
preseason they may as well throw to not pose a threat during the regular season
that is what I'm most excited to watch for once
upper niche
These teams filling their roster with Korean players definitely aren't thinking long-term.
They basically force themselves into recruiting Korean-speaking players in the future.
gaunt acorn
not necessarily
they can still teach their full-korean roster english
see: london spitfire
with localization becoming more important, and the aforementioned reason, i'm sure further emphasis on english fluency will be a thing
round obsidian
Not to mention most korean esports pros learn English pretty quickly when they move to EU/NA regions
As was the case in LoL and we’re seeing it in OW now too
long belfry
Some Korean players learnt English in school
Janus is an example I heard
And I heard that his English is preety good
upper niche
You're American, aren't you?
long belfry
OGE's English is not bad at all if you consider he had less than 6 months to learn it
@upper niche why would that matter?
sullen berry
have you listened to saybyeolbe?
long belfry
SBB's English is really good imo
long belfry
SBB's English is probably as good if not better than Reinforce's
sullen berry
@long belfry i just read that and disagree strongly
reinforce's english is better than Taimou's
gaunt acorn
he's basically fluent
sullen berry
for his benefit, sbb is efficient and hasn't grown up around trash talk and memes