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queen drift
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but what side is jebaiting PepeHands

gaunt acorn
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which side do u think enjoys to jebait plat chat

queen drift
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both

limber pine
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^

gaunt acorn
queen drift
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we're talking about mykl and dafran cmon

pearl stratus
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dafran just setting it up so if he gets rejected/suspended he can play it off.

vast geode
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Just saw the OWWC blizcon draw

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RIP AUSTRALIA

limber pine
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Blizz trying so hard to get US to avoid SK before the finals

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it's sad

pearl stratus
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China vs. Finland is going to be good.

gaunt acorn
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mykl doesn't seem to want to blow his cred jebaiting anymore

queen drift
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stupidity leading to accidental jebaits is still a jebait

pearl stratus
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I'm pretty sure its because in the last week mykL went from like "Leaks" to everyone telling him to fuck himself with a cactus again.

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Hard downward trend since the Agilities thing.

limber pine
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and Kate's thing is still up in the air

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mykl hears things and assumes intent

pearl stratus
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I don't foresee Kate's thing going anywhere.

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Because it's been refuted by 3-4 parties now.

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And mykL's biggest proof is LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED LALALAALLALALA

queen drift
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i think he got some stuff right but now just says everything he hears

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bc lEaK GoD McNeCkAsS

sullen berry
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really not that helpful

pearl stratus
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I think he has a punchable face, and not enough people take advantage of that fact.

sullen berry
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I want to believe his sources more often

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when I listen to something from him on stream

gaunt acorn
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pretty sure realleakboy is his alt

sullen berry
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it's nothing

pearl stratus
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The problem is he's basically the OWL equivalent of Trumps twitter

gaunt acorn
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no that's xqc

pearl stratus
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Just verbal diarrhea.

gaunt acorn
queen drift
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i agree but why dyou think so dray

pearl stratus
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xQc doesn't post enough for that to work.

gaunt acorn
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just seemed like a way for him to avoid the stigma he carried and build rep on the merit of his leaks alone

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it worked so he decided to try leaking on his main too

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to mixed results

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could just as easily not be him too, though

queen drift
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it would make sense i think its just too much effort for him

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when he was doing his daily owl videos n shit he had a decent audience

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not really respected for leaks buuuttt

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moderately big

gaunt acorn
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he wants the reddit audience though

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and they wouldn't trust him normally

queen drift
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tru

gaunt acorn
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i wish slasher would start reporting again

queen drift
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big same 😦

glacial bear
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dafran replace sinantra and play for usa

queen drift
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Dafran on Team USA... Hmm

glacial bear
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Might as well

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At this point

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London spitfire with all korean members lul

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Pyongyang spitfire

deft valley
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nice bait

queen drift
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HMMM

limber pine
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If this is Elk to PhiliFusion, it would confirm a leak from mykL last week.

sleek zephyr
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👍

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well

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it's strange how people still dont believe him

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every one of his leaks from sources has been proven so far

limber pine
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When it's just the rumor, it's been fine

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news rumor

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The Kate stuff are still unknown

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And the Agilities stuff is...whatever

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Agilities being benched and not being able to talk to other teams is a lot different than adding KSF to the rotation and LAV allowing him to talk to other teams

queen drift
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^^

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his rumours are fine

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when hes putting everything on something, giving details and calling specific people out its bneen bad

torpid charm
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I love Elk

vagrant niche
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rip Last chance

clever acorn
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Losers, im an OWL player

queen drift
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real top bait

copper solstice
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🦌

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So the announcement with elk isn’t done yet

limber pine
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correct

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2 hours

copper solstice
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But if it is fusion then Rip Neptuno?

limber pine
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depends

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Neptuno played Mercy like 3/4 of the time, but I wonder if Elk is more well-rounded

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idk. either way they need a Lucio player now that Joe is coaching

queen drift
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They’ll run Neptuno on mercy whenever they need a mercy imo

pearl stratus
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Useless to keep a support for one role like that. Waste of money.

copper solstice
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I mean doesn’t he play like everything

vagrant niche
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rip Neptuno, the most hype mercy 😦

pearl stratus
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Not super well, he was pulled in for Mercy.

vagrant niche
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guys, do you think OWL skins next time should have players's name?

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i think they would make more money out of it

copper solstice
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Honestly that would cost like

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2000 points more

pearl stratus
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Not just that - the individual actual cost.

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Because do you name it around the player and rotate it when that player/leaves/trades?

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How often do you update it?

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Even though its quick, its still man hours.

vagrant niche
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well think about mayhem

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they are going to rebrand their colors

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i doubt they will take away mccdonalds

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they just make new skins each season

pearl stratus
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That's just changing hex values though.

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Adjusting everytime the Mayhem drops a swedish person would be tedious.

copper solstice
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Pretend like

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Logix got one last year what would they do with the skin

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Since he’s not there anymore

vagrant niche
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i bought tracer mayhem cause Logix

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that's the only reason i have it

pearl stratus
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Also they're just establishing the rules for rebranding.

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Don't expect that to happen for like.

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6-10 months.

rapid bobcat
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And I bought zen mayhem skin because....

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reasons

copper solstice
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I bought outlaws Zarya and dva

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Because coolmatt and Spree

pearl stratus
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According to Unikrn's sources, that request has been denied for season two, with a process being put into place for future seasons. btw.

rapid bobcat
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I also have brigitte mayhem LUL

pearl stratus
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So saying Florida is rebranding is kind of a lie 😛

long belfry
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I have a LOT of Dallas skins

copper solstice
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Brigitte mayhem skin is meant to be

vagrant niche
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rip

long belfry
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And got the brig one when she came out for the lulz

pearl stratus
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Rebranding isn't a simple process, really.

vagrant niche
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well, i still like the mcdonalds

long belfry
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And it turns out that they had a really good brig

vagrant niche
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but the new swag is the Atlanta

long belfry
vagrant niche
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buying Soldier, tracer etc

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all or Dafran

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Gengu

copper solstice
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Isn’t Dafran one of the best trackers?

vagrant niche
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he is THE best

long belfry
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Yes

pearl stratus
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When he's not banned.

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Sure.

long belfry
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THE best

pearl stratus
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But the retard is banned so often he makes xQc look plain adult half the time.

rapid bobcat
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I want to see what the skins for the expansion teams are

copper solstice
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I want to see the name and the logo

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And colors

pearl stratus
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Also like Sprite or Dray was saying earlier, Dafrans going to get banned in S2 a few times anyway if he actually makes it.

rapid bobcat
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and roster

copper solstice
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True.

vagrant niche
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lets just hope its not Green for atlanta

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jesus, green skins

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ew

copper solstice
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Washington is probobly going to be like red and blue

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Or something

vagrant niche
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so like XL?

copper solstice
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I don’t know

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But something MURICAN

vagrant niche
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the most murican team is the shock

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and they use that bright orange

long belfry
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I want a team with black, white and gray colors

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It would look so good in a skin

pearl stratus
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Isn't Shock tied with Houston now since they both have a korean?

vagrant niche
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i think white is not possible cause they leave those for away skins

deft valley
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white as a secondary is an option

long belfry
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I mean a black skin

copper solstice
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I thought shock had more then one

long belfry
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With white and gray accents

copper solstice
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They have 3

pearl stratus
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Yeah.

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So Houston is now the most murican team I think.

copper solstice
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Yep

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Arhan will probobly barely play

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Since Danteh

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Never know though

vagrant niche
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would be nice if a team had grey colors

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please atlanta

deft valley
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atlanta is very likely going black and red

balmy wolf
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Atlanta my fav team now LoL

deft valley
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what are you going to do after week 4 when he's dropped for multiple suspensions

pearl token
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The confuse

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After being congratulated on the move by a viewer in Twitch chat during a recent stream, Dafran replied “you guys really think I was gonna fucking join Overwatch League? You guys really fucking thing that? You fucking dumbasses.”

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Dafran went on to state "that's all I'm gonna say", although he did add a shout-out to mykL, saying "you have been a great piece of the puzzle, thank you mykL. My little pawn."

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what even is this offseason lol

vagrant niche
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fake news

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he doesn't deny it

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he just asks his chat

pearl token
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Alright because this same writer literally posted a story an hour before about how he was approved and it made it even more confusing ahah

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Idk who this writer is or see the stream so i was just curious if anyone knew anything different

vagrant niche
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Dafran getting exposed

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he's playing Doomfist now all of the sudden cause "he's fun"

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zaryalol yeah right

balmy wolf
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Watch Atlanta pick up Boostio

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And emongg

sleek zephyr
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lol no

torpid charm
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Elk for Fusion it’s official

deft valley
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hype

torpid charm
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I love Gritty

vestal mortar
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wot

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I'm scared what is that

deft valley
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that's a Flyers mascot

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it's glorious

vestal mortar
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What is it supposed to be? A muppet?

deft valley
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the less you think about it the better

torpid charm
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He’s a friend that’s what he is

vestal mortar
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😰

limber pine
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Elk said on stream that he was a Two-Way player

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so he'll play in the next season of contenders before OWL starts up

long belfry
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What about Neptuno?

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Neptuno is still really good

limber pine
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Fusion only have two supports after they released Joe and Dayfly, so regardless they still need a backup

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and if Elk's only a Two-Way player, they'll call him up when the others need a break

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I really don't think it'll affect neptuno too much

vagrant niche
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what about boombox?

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was he released?

limber pine
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nope

vagrant niche
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so basically, elk is going to fill for neptuno?

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and switch with him etc

limber pine
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yeah, cuz boom plays zen and moira

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with a little bit of Mercy mixed in

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and apparently Ana for team UK

pearl token
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Lmfao waaaait a minute

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Ive been an Islanders fan for 25 years and i dont ever remember seeing that thing when they played the Flyers

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LOL thats an awesome mascot

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Oh hes new lmfao

deft valley
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yeah you havent' seen him because he hasn't been at games yet lol

fossil drift
copper solstice
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30 more minutes until shock annoucement

long belfry
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J LUL K E

long belfry
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New announcement from sf coming bois

scenic remnant
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I have a video of a shootmania tournememt finale with unkoe, soon and akm

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In 2014

vagrant niche
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i guess i wasn't the only one that voted for AKM

scenic remnant
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Akm unkoe and soon before they were overwatch pros

long belfry
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@limber pine

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Did you see the news?

torpid charm
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My boys are all up there ayye

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Rascal to Shock I bet right?

vagrant niche
long belfry
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Scroll up

vagrant niche
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G zaryalol G U R I

long belfry
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Just in case

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So it doesnt get lost

vagrant niche
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pretends to act surprised

torpid charm
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LMAO deadass

long belfry
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I am

torpid charm
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How

long belfry
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He overlaps with Architect

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A lot

torpid charm
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Very true

vagrant niche
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Architect > Rascal

torpid charm
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But they could just interchange between the two with Sinatraa

vagrant niche
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change my mind

torpid charm
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Hmmmm I can agree kinda

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I’m a little half and half

long belfry
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Pun NACL as reactions Sprite

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I told you this news

vagrant niche
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T zaryalol I M O U

deft valley
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there's the entire thing

scenic remnant
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I voted for myself

deft valley
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can you stop spamming it one by one

scenic remnant
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Cuz i believe in myself

vagrant niche
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CKM blade > AKM blade

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just not by much

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@fossil drift

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after the world cup

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you should go do one

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i would vote for the boi Patiphan

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for sure

fossil drift
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I think I will.

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Definitely need to make sure I don’t let people write in their own answers though. For my own sake...

vagrant niche
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yeah i'm sorry

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i put Dafran on Soldier

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but how could i not?

fossil drift
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You’re not the only one shudder

vagrant niche
fossil drift
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Easier to sift those out than organize all the Jakes, jjonaks, and ryujehong

pearl token
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Man, no love for Fate

vagrant niche
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i'm surprised Ryujehong scored so low on Zen

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Jjonak is pretty obvious, but still

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and peple forgot to add the Ryujekong

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it's funny Jake won the torb vote

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just for that minute on attack torb in numbani

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i remember that zaryalol

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my boi Dafran is going to take that vote on season 2

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he's the torb master

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@fossil drift

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Jayne is not OWL yet

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he will be on season 2

fossil drift
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Yeah

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I messed that up. Working on a fix to replace that one

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I got so involved in removing non OWL people that Jayne somehow slipped my mind

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And by me. I mean those helping me. Then I didn’t double check the work on that one

vagrant niche
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you can add him on world cup

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when you do that one

fossil drift
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Absolutely

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Hence the necessity of a drop down box. Would’ve made it a lot easier to move.

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More work upfront. A lot less work in the end

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Might have encouraged everyone to leave an answer for each hero too?

vagrant niche
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well

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Symetra had 0 game

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if i recall

fossil drift
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Yeah. Other than the muma memes and all star weekend

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Surefour being the only one to really have real Symm time

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Not all star weekend

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He played Symm in regular season.

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Set turrets next to a junk trap. Got a kill and immediate switch?

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I don’t even remember

vagrant niche
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i don't even remember that

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World cup so far has gotten playtime from everybody tho

fossil drift
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Found t

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Not even a kill and he was in attack

vagrant niche
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that was nothing

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LOL

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that was just a Jebait

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and a really bad one

fossil drift
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Yeh

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More than anyone else after a game actually started lol

long belfry
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U late bro

vagrant niche
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how am I late? it's only 30 minutes

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click and you will see

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it's about the Dafran jebaits

long belfry
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I already posted it here

vagrant niche
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you only posted the Rascal tweet

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bruh, i don't even really care about Rascal

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i'm in for the big fish Dafran

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specially since i was having a convo early today here about fake news talking about Dafran with @pearl token

warped axle
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I hope we get to see Rascal's Brush

pearl token
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Yeah im learning to just ignore everything until official announcements happen. Ive followed other sports off seasons most of my life and this league is just handled in such a bizarre way so far

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But its an internet community so im not all that surprised

upper niche
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I got a good laugh out of reading the Shanghai roster changes.

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In: ??? Out: nearly everyone.

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You know how we sometimes joke about how in some countries if you're a spring star (or referee) and your team loses you just 'disappear'? It feels like that :)

verbal roost
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49ers 137.5 million dollar qb tore his ACL;(

upper niche
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Haha.

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Let's evaluate the ways paying a sportsperson $137m is stupid shall we?

pearl token
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Yeaaaah its pretty amazing lol

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And thats american football. Baseball is the most absurd of the four major us sports

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Clayton Kershaw of the dodgers makes 34 million a year

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215 mil contract

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Who is the highest payed in OWL?

slow walrus
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I don't think they release any of that info besides minimum paid is 50k

hidden vault
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Rascal and Architect hmm

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sad babybay

pearl stratus
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@upper niche It's pretty heavily hinted at, pretty near confirmed, that Shanghai is pulling in all the remaining members of Kongdoo Panthera.

hidden vault
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And they would not add more chinese players for diya?

pearl stratus
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From my understanding Diya pretty much understood he'd be a sub only until language barriers were fine, if rumors are right.

hidden vault
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Diya a chinese having language barrier in a chinese team 🤔

hexed igloo
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wow i didnt realize that till now

tawny sigil
glacial bear
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that girl at 0:41 was like hell naw Im out

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1:19 you know he got her number at the end

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And he threw his friend under the bus lul

upper niche
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Lol, girl at 1:19 is clutching her phone like she's just waiting to try get a request in for a photo/selfie.

limber pine
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just a little bit

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I really want some new team branding soon though

pearl stratus
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The LGD v. Runaway match is so good.

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Gaga getting a 3k on Hamster 20 seconds into Hanamura will forever be a highlight

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Best part - Psuedo redemption arc for MG.

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Who is now on LGD and doing really well.

limber pine
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I think viewers get too caught up on players that were "bad"

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I think a lot of old SHD is very good, but "0-40 lol" is the prevalent opinion.

pearl stratus
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I don't think they were all great at their roles.

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MG is basically chinese Mickie.

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He's not a great D'va.

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But he did other things -very- well.

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Like Brig/Hog, etc.

queen drift
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my main problems were altering and frefeel

long belfry
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MG is bad at Dva

queen drift
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everyone else was kind of alright i guess

pearl stratus
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Yes, that was the point.

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So is Mickie.

long belfry
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Not at other off tanks

queen drift
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except ado and sky

pearl stratus
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Sky was horrible.

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He didn't do well on a mixed roster.

queen drift
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i liked sky

pearl stratus
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Communication issues made him legitimately worse than Freefeel stats wise.

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He just wasn't comfortable.

long belfry
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Sky was still better than Freefeed

pearl stratus
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Stats wise he actually wasn't most of the time.

long belfry
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Effectivemess matters

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Not stats

pearl stratus
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Because he a.) never played because of the language barrier, b.) played bad because of the language barrier.

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If you look at OWWC he's in a much more comfortable position, so he doesn't look like garbage.

long belfry
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Who thought it would be a good idea to put 3 Chinese bois with 3 Koreans

pearl stratus
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At the time a lot of the really good, visually apparently, chinese talent was under 18.

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Like Eileen is a nutty as shit dps.

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But he was underage.

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Leave was still retired, MY had 3 people under 18 still.

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Beyond that if you look at Chinese contenders you had LFZ at the time.

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Which is a Korean team.

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So it was better to shop Korean.

hidden vault
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mg is in Big Time Ragel Gaming not LGD gaming

pearl stratus
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He's playing with them for this match against Runaway.

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You can check the LGD roster.

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They have MG and Gaga atm

hidden vault
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hmm? is this the updated one?

pearl stratus
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No clue. I posted the Summer tournament ones since thats the match I was watching and care about.

hidden vault
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ok I saw your link

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but thanks

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undead not playing for LinGan e-Sports anymore?

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lul

pearl stratus
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He changed his name so you might have to find the new one

hidden vault
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nope he isn't I checked

karmic grotto
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Do we know all the teams for upcoming OWL season?

limber pine
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yes

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but not the full names or branding

pearl stratus
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Poor Rascal.

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Hopefully the Shock can figure out whats making everyone grumpy and he can find a solid spot.

long belfry
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He has the same hero pool that Architect has

pearl stratus
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It's actually noticeably larger, and has the Sombra they're missing without Danteh.

long belfry
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Tru

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But what will Architect do?

limber pine
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Widow?

pearl stratus
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Be traded off to the X6 group thats looking to get him back

limber pine
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I wonder if Babybay even stays

clever ravine
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I think so because he probably would have wanted to be a free agent for the new teams

queen drift
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Baby bay probably will stay, isn’t he their best hitscan

long belfry
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^

gaunt acorn
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ehh

warped axle
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I'm pretty sure Architect is their best everything

limber pine
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I don't see a lot of playtime for babybay between Architect, Rascal, and Sinatraa

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It's a shame Soldier wasn't more meta

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outside of a few maps

clever ravine
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He could be after his changes

limber pine
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yeah

clever ravine
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The problem is the other stuff Babybay might have to play on the same map

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Especially because Architect's Widow is better than his

fast basin
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fuelfuelfuelfuel

pearl stratus
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His changes, overall, don't impact pros.

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For Soldier, that is.

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It'll up consistency a little bit, but its more us blind ladder losers the changes impact.

long belfry
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If ML7 learnt how to play the other supps at the level he plays Ana, I would see no reason for teams not picking him up

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His stream looks like Chips 1.0

queen drift
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Isn’t he decent at zen?

long belfry
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Idk

pearl stratus
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He'd need to do contenders first.

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People tend to forget ladder barely matters - Jjonak was an exception not the rule.

rare sonnet
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Can always have more than one exception

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At least give ml7 a tryout

long belfry
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EQO and Note were no names

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Same with TeenGrazper

limber pine
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i think endo's point is that, even if you include those, the large majority are still contenders -> OWL

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Note and DK still had a lot of experience with TO and Tempo respectively

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Eqo is probably the best comparision, but he also played in OWWC

long belfry
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Tru

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He could get in a good Contenders team

queen drift
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kazper wasnt a no name

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he was on a few teams beforehand

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didnt see spriteguys reply rip

bitter phoenix
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They hold tryouts for teams just get to top500 and wait for an invite

tawny sigil
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bry needs to get in

limber pine
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vizility had a good OWWC

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I hope he gets a home somewhere

karmic grotto
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SpriteGuy, As a Dutch citizen, this guy proved himself in this worldcup. Although Netherlands didn't had any OWL players, they still played well

tawny sigil
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patiphan in 3 years

limber pine
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he also has plenty of Contenders experience with OaH, 6nakes, and TO

cold hamlet
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Hey guys I'm getting back into OWL because I'm finally getting a home team but I'm interested in seeing what the general sentiment is towards DC and the rumors surrounding them

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How much do you believe mykL more or less

limber pine
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Given that Kate denied the rumor and anybody on LNL that's commented on it also denied it, I still put it firmly as a rumor

tawny sigil
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Scarce out dated, DramaAlert over rated, long have we awaited, kingmykl activated

limber pine
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mykL's record for news has been quite good; his record for news + reasoning has been less than stellar

limber pine
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No surprises here

clever ravine
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Good for him

limber pine
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Good Fleta back-up

balmy wolf
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Is Ado capable of playing Widow too?

long belfry
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?

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Wot

clever ravine
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Pretty sure he has in OWL

long belfry
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I only remember him on Tracer and Gengu

limber pine
copper solstice
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I have no questions

wet zealot
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Mayhem top 3 this year dont @ me

long belfry
#

Dat feel when you get a reddit notif after posting a question and it was of a trending post

pearl stratus
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I doubt Ado will be a Fleta backup, most likely a Munchkin replacement.

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Munchkin didn't grow enough as a DPS in S1, imo.

sleek zephyr
#

^

pearl stratus
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Jake during the ama: "I really like playing DF." Meta hint.

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Also: Hardest part about casting for me is finding the most important stuff to say... I generally have too much to say so I end up talking too fast or failing to highlight the key plays that are most important. HE'S SELF AWARE BOYS.

warped axle
#

Honestly the Seoul DPS were the best part of their squad

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Even Wekeed and Munchkin aren't bad

pearl stratus
#

I wasn't inferring he was bad, but he had the least growth of the DPS in the OWL in my opinion.

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So you put overwhelming pressure on Fleta and you could control the field.

queen drift
#

Fleta was overrated past stage 2 imo

pearl stratus
#

Fleta was shut down past stage 2, pretty hard. With no real tank line to build him space he looked like a Mayhem DPs.

jagged crater
#

is that fleta's fault or tank's fault

pearl stratus
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It's the teams fault - look at the changes that Fissure brought into LAG for their DPS with the space he created for them.

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When you have a tank line that can't drive forward and properly build space you have issues with your DPS doing anything, especially with something like Widow.

jagged crater
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jake and zp are quite the formidable combo

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jake is doing insanely well for being relatively new to casting

pearl stratus
#

He made a decent point in his AMA - If you're a shot caller for your team, and have a history of review transitioning to casting isn't hard.

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You basically do what you'd normally do, but you get to cheat by having the full view all the time.

jagged crater
#

think he's the only one in OW pro level to show this so far

#

but CSGO, you see a lot of analysts were former in-game leaders, so yes that point def applies

pearl stratus
#

I think we'll see more eventually.

copper solstice
#

I mean with all star weekend you’ve seen plenty of players caster

pearl stratus
#

Not quite the same though, that was more meant to be as goofy as the event.

#

Very different from casting OWWC, etc.

copper solstice
#

Yeah.

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I understand

tepid raft
#

Any1 got any tips a ow tourney? It’s gonna my 1st doing e sports in general @here

long belfry
#

Are you signed up or looking for one

pearl stratus
#

Play better than the other team 4head

tepid raft
#

@long belfry I’ve signed up 4 1. Tryouts r nxt wk

long belfry
#

Yikes

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Good luck

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I know a tournament you can join as a free agent and try to get a team

glacial bear
#

Ado is hella good though

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Seoul got fissure and his tank is preety good

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@tepid raft whats ur sr avg

tepid raft
#

@glacial bear 1668

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I was a 1863

uncut nebula
#

best esports player?

karmic grotto
glacial bear
#

@tepid raft silver?

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@tepid raft What do you play as

tepid raft
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@glacial bear bastion at the mo; trying to expand 2 sombra

river birch
#

Saw a dad in a car with a boston uprising bumper sticker

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Gamers Rise up!

long belfry
#

Wrong shade of blue

pearl stratus
#

Who else is ready for the drama this afternoon with the new Shock video?

limber pine
#

what new shock video?

pearl stratus
#

Rascal is talking about his time on Spitfire/Dallas Fuel.

long belfry
#

KyKy

pearl stratus
#

Watch it not be Kyky.

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Watch him only throw Hastr0 under the bus.

long belfry
#

It would be sad

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But probably tru

pearl stratus
#

Wouldn't be to me, Hastr0 is a shit bag.

#

Translators, etc, aren't something Kyky would have any control over.

long belfry
#

I wonder why Effect couldnt help by translating a little bit

pearl stratus
#

Effect doesn't have great english either.

long belfry
#

And KyKy could have asked for one

pearl stratus
#

And I think Effect was trying to not stab the old Envy players in the throat for being trash.

#

I mean you can ask for anything you want.

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It's up to your GM to get it for you.

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And Kyky can't just say anything about Hastr0.

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He wants to have a job.

#

You throw your GM under the bus, you don't work again in most situations

glacial bear
#

Best english non english player is mickie

copper solstice
#

ark is good too with english maybe not his accent with it

pearl stratus
#

I mean people always go asian, but forget you have Eqo, Neptuno, etc who are all, by this standard, non-english.

jagged crater
#

what's kyky getting into this time

copper solstice
#

i mean

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MOST european players know english

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, but its not their native language.

copper solstice
#

Yeah,

pearl stratus
#

So its the same as Korean players.

copper solstice
#

I dont even know any korean players who do speak english like mickie/ark anyone is trying

pearl stratus
#

Most are, really.

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Ark just retained more of it from school.

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Gesture as well.

torpid charm
#

Janus speaks very well too

fast basin
#

@copper solstice Did you just call Mickie korean?

#

uhhhh....

#

He's THAI

copper solstice
#

no i meant overwatch league players in general

fast basin
#

ok

pearl stratus
#

In case anyone missed his little return video where he talks about London/Dallas.

jagged crater
#

what he say

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cant wathc

queen drift
#

nothing really, its a teaser for a bigger video i think

#

said he had problems with fuel and spitfire

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said he was scared he couldnt come back to owl

long belfry
#

He sounds like most 🅱ronze Widow/Hanzo/Genji mains sound

pearl stratus
#

Less problems with London overall though, just a congruence of things.

#

Fuel he notes is majorly different.

#

As long as Rascal has a brush, he's good with me

#

Ironically I trust xQc / Seagull the most on the Rascal stuff, both because its completely plausible and historically proven.

hidden vault
#

What did xqc and seagull said on the rascal issue?

gaunt acorn
#

@fast basin stop posting that in this channel

fast basin
#

ok

warped axle
#

Going back to Fuel, I bet Aero really wishes Rascal was still on DF right now

#

Since they're in need of a projectile player

sullen berry
#

I think this was xQc was impersonating kyky on training days asking if rascal wanted to play or not

#

seagull i don't recall anything that he already said about him, but that at least confirms his words

fast basin
#

what kind of theory is THAT

#

a player impersonating the head coach?

sullen berry
#

on stream

fast basin
#

oh wow

#

OH

#

sorry, im a bit behind

hidden vault
#

Do we have a clip on that???

pearl stratus
#

@hidden vault Both of them said Rascal was hard to work with and it wasn't just Kykys fault. But both of them said it wasn't a -bad- thing.

#

Rascal, and Effect, both wanted to grind more and practice harder. Effect had just more or less given up on the team by that point.

#

So Rascal would more or less "whine" about people not trying that hard.

#

Basically exactly what Talespin had done previously when he quit Envy.

#

I think xQc said it was a good thing and he wished more people on the team would push him to grind like that, even if he didn't like it.

#

Basically EnvyUS was a bunch of fat shits who didn't practice that hard.

#

Which is very very apparent through Stages 1-3.

long belfry
#

Tru

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They kicked him because he wanted the team to try harder

#

And he was right

pearl stratus
#

I mean its alla bout how you go about it.

#

And I think thats where all the communication issues came from.

long belfry
#

If you do something and it doesnt work, either do something else

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Or try harder

pearl stratus
#

So if he said it like a dick - no matter how right you are - you just sound like a dick.

long belfry
#

Rascal's English wasnt that bad

pearl stratus
#

Perception matters more than anything.

#

And we aren't in the locker room.

long belfry
#

He could do the in game comms

pearl stratus
#

People just love to swallow whatever giant cock blames Kyky.

#

Right down to the balls.

long belfry
#

But they needed a translator

pearl stratus
#

Then they wipe their chin and say "SEE I TOLD YOU"

#

And don't get me wrong, I'm sure Kyky didn't help.

#

But when Seagull, perhaps the nicest person in the league by a mile, says he was hard to work with too.

#

It's very clear we're only hearing the side of the story we want to hear.

queen drift
#

i mean i think its very clear what happened

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effect and rascal are grinders

#

that's very obvious by how people talk about them, how they themselves act and what they have said about themselves

#

xQc found it annoying but it was good. he wishes he had people like that to push him to grind and get better

#

envyus core was never a massive grindy team, you can watch their old envyus vids on how their daily life is

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effect is the only one who seemed to really care about putting the effort into getting better

#

the problem i think was them taking that individual desire to grind and succeed and pushing it onto the team

#

and language barriers, difference in culture and attitude to the game probably didnt help

pearl stratus
#

We can't use logic in these situations.

#

It's clear that everything was Kyky's fault 😛

#

I said since the start of Season 1 that EnvyUS needed to get rid of everyone on Envy minus Effect and people said I was trolling.

#

But looking back literally no one from Envy did anything worth while for the entire season.

queen drift
#

i agree about envyus, i love them as personalities but in game theyre just.. lazy and washed up

pearl stratus
#

They can only play a bruiser meta, anything beyond that and they're garbage.

long belfry
#

Idk if they are washed up

queen drift
#

imagine OGE Rascal EFFECT tho

long belfry
#

But they really need more practice

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, the team without EnvyUS always sounds good.

#

Even keeping Seagull in there.

#

If he hadn't retired.

queen drift
#

Custa and Seagull imo

long belfry
#

Maybe Taimou

queen drift
#

eh

long belfry
#

Maybe

queen drift
#

nah

#

no need with effect

pearl stratus
#

Taimou is literally worth less than toilet paper.

#

Becasuse I can't even wipe my ass with Taimou.

long belfry
#

The problem is that they were too lazy to practice

queen drift
#

might get a pretty severe rash

long belfry
#

I would just send them all to the contenders team

pearl stratus
#

People remember Taimou from an Apex forever ago and think he's still special.

#

But unfortunately inconsistency is the worst trait in a Widow.

long belfry
#

And get better players

queen drift
#

his hog is still great

#

but thats about it

long belfry
#

And it would get them down to the earth

#

Put them in the contenders team

#

So they learn how to work hard

pearl stratus
#

I could see a few of them on Contenders but some I wouldn't even want as a contenders coach.

queen drift
#

they're too good for contenders imo, it wouldn't teach them anything

long belfry
#

Keep Eff, OGE and probably akm

pearl stratus
#

Like if you tried to give me Chips on a Contenders team?

#

I'd tell you to fuck right off.

queen drift
#

You know you get players that are only in a team because they're good for morale or team spirit or whatever

#

I feel like all of envyus core is that

pearl stratus
#

I mean I think that's just Mickie.

#

Maybe Cocco too

#

Especially since Mickie's D'va is so weak.

#

He's being kept for his morale and Brig at this point.

long belfry
#

Mickie the brig main

queen drift
#

his brig will fall off i think

pearl stratus
#

Well DF did use Brig 200% more than any other team.

#

So it looked better just from a visual timeline.

queen drift
#

i meant fall off in comparison to the other players learning brig

#

i;e profit

pearl stratus
#

I think the league average for Brig in Stage 4 was 31%.

#

And DF was at 64%

long belfry
#

Tru

pearl stratus
#

mykL's newest post:

#

"Kephrii is good enough to be in OWL, and people should try him."

#

Didn't know mykL didn't have a gag reflex.

queen drift
#

I don't know why there's so many people supporting kephrii

pearl stratus
#

He's a 4k Widow who can't even hold his own on ms, let alone LAN.

#

He's never made it through contenders, and refuses to go to contenders because it would financially be a bad decision for him (which is fair).

#

But if you can't even go to contenders, why the shit do you think OWL is fine.

queen drift
#

he thinks hes jjonak

warped axle
#

Honestly Mickie's Brig didn't even look great in the World Cup

#

Already starting to look washed

queen drift
#

hes not washed up

#

just not good

raw ocean
torpid charm
sullen berry
long belfry
balmy wolf
long belfry
balmy wolf
queen drift
hidden vault
#

EnvyUs can stick as a contenders team, they seems more marketable there

#

And Kephrii is the 2nd dreamkazper, he had something similar

long belfry
#

8 inches of 14 year olds

#

Gotta give those 8 inch shots

#

:Kappa:

#

(Poor man's emotes btw)

round obsidian
#

That feeling when kephrii wants a tryout for OWL

#

Not even contenders but OWL

#

Tfw you barely scrape t500 every season and keep your 4748 peak in your twitter bio

karmic grotto
#

He might be good Widow, but what about his other qualities?

round obsidian
#

Non existent

karmic grotto
#

Then, why does he want tryout for OWL?

round obsidian
#

He wants to increase his fame, ego etc...

#

Idfk

#

He’s deluded that’s for sure

#

Even if he was the best widow in the world with 100% crit accuracy he still would never make even the worst OWL team

#

OWL is not a place for OTPs

#

Especially when tanks are so prevalent in the meta

pearl token
#

The teams with good widows, their widows are 1000x better

#

Id love to see Soon destroy him

round obsidian
#

The problem is he’s asking for a tryout

#

You know how much work it takes to even get a tryout for contenders? Let alone OWL?

#

He has neither earned nor deserved the opportunity

pearl token
#

Nope. Theres a clear layed out path to OWL and he thinks he is above it

round obsidian
#

Idk what goes on behind the scenes but gladiators and uprising both had open tryouts a few months ago

#

I guarantee he didn’t apply

#

Not to mention he has his fallbacks in place, he has a successful twitch stream where he makes more money than he ever would in OWL for less work

#

These kids trying out for OWL nowadays put everything on the line

#

I think xQc said it best; “kephrii has a plan B. These guys don’t even have a plan A”

pearl stratus
#

Don't worry, mykL went down to the balls on the eight Kephriinches and said it'd be a good idea to give him try-outs.

#

Further proving that mykL is a retard.

hidden vault
#

I rather get xQc and Dafran combined lol

#

why is kephrii even successful in overwatch stream lol

round obsidian
#

Because widow mains largely have mental disabilities

upper niche
#

Cos people think it's hard to hit sniped shots.

round obsidian
#

Tbh I can see one reason why it would be good to give kephrii a tryout

#

So that he can fail and get rejected and finally shut up

upper niche
#

He has decent ability to see a scene/screen and quickly find a target, and people think that's an impressive skill to watch/learn

round obsidian
#

There’s a certain level of work you have to put in to even earn a tryout

hidden vault
#

then why not glorify saya? he's the best

round obsidian
#

We do glorify saya

hidden vault
#

I guarantee people watching kephrii are kids who wanna be widow mains lol

round obsidian
#

Because he’s hitting these shots and completely stopping teams single handedly in OWL, against the best coordinated players in the world

hidden vault
#

(no offense)

round obsidian
#

Not hitting 360 grapple shots in low gm

#

“I used a sight line to pick someone off as soon as he left spawn! Better clip that shit and send it to freshnuts”

#

I can name like 5 or 6 widows off the top of my head that are better than kephrii and don’t play pro

#

He’s a dime a dozen player

#

Joom, zombs, kabaji, wraxu, boostio, fuck I bet even samito is better than him LUL

hidden vault
#

and idiots still watch kephrii?

round obsidian
#

Eh he cornered the market early

#

Can’t blame him

#

He’s smart and got in early and became known as the widow guy

#

For all his faults he builds his brand well

sleek zephyr
#

^

sullen berry
#

and branding is what xQc does by accident

#

the knows his audience

#

but he doesn't need to change his ways to earn the viewership he has

round obsidian
#

Well they’re fundamentally 2 different types of branding

#

xQc’s branding is purely him being himself, the character you see is who he is and by merit of just being himself he attracts audiences and becomes an appealing person to be involved with

#

Kephrii’s branding/self promo is tryhard to the point of suffocation

#

He constantly wants to duo/stack with other players who could possibly boost his viewership

karmic grotto
#

But I want tryout for OWL because I'm Kephrii and everyone knows me

round obsidian
#

When the korean and Chinese pros came to NA none of them knew how cringey and disliked he was

#

So they played with him

karmic grotto
#

And then they knew

round obsidian
#

That’s why you saw all those vids of him duo with SBB or Roshan

#

It almost felt predatory in a way tbh

karmic grotto
#

Even if he's a full time streamer, why would he even want to join OWL?

#

I know he wants fame and boost ego

#

But

#

why

#

?

round obsidian
#

You have these guys who barely speak English coming over and he’s basically just using their big names to boost him

#

It’s an interesting question

karmic grotto
#

Maybe, he wants to be acknowledged as a pro player in the world

#

Is the majority of OWL players, didn't they came there through Contenders or because they were asked since the beginnings?

#

Isn't the rule of Blizzard to play in Contenders, and then be scouted by coaches?

round obsidian
#

No there’s no rules

#

Teams decide who they offer contracts to

#

Then when the team and the player are happy with the contract it is sent to blizzard and they choose whether the player is allowed to play in OWL or Contenders or w/e official tournament they’re running

#

So theoretically any team could just field a roster of bronze players, it’s perfectly legit

karmic grotto
#

I see

round obsidian
#

As for your other question, most of OWL players were already in other teams and got bought out/dissolved when OWL teams emerged

#

London Spitfire = GC Busan + Kongdoo Panthers

#

Seoul Dynasty = Lunatic Hai

#

Etc...

karmic grotto
#

And, is there a tryout for OWL teams?

round obsidian
#

Yes teams hold tryouts when they decide to

#

A few months ago la gladiators and Boston uprising had open tryouts for both their contenders team and their OWL team

#

You just have to be in the right discords and know the right people to hear about it

karmic grotto
#

Wasn't there a private Discord for Grandmasters ?

round obsidian
#

Actually no that’s inaccurate, sometimes teams will just post tryouts publicly

#

It’s not for grandmasters, it’s called The OW. And it’s famously populated by basically everyone who’s anyone in competitive OW

#

So basically every OWL player, contenders player, collegiate player, high elo streamers, managers, coaches etc...

#

But that’s another tangent

#

The interesting question you brought up earlier was “why would kephrii want to join OWL”

#

I think if you’re in his situation with a successful stream, good financial status and career safety why risk everything you have to go pro for what is definitely less money for more work

karmic grotto
#

Isn't that the reason why Seagull stopped OWL and streamed?

#

He earns more with streaming than playing

round obsidian
#

Among other things

karmic grotto
#

Yeah and also

#

6 days a week training right?

#

10 hours?

round obsidian
#

Seagull I believe didnt enjoy OWL anymore

#

He also had health issues with his sleeping

#

As well as the fact that fuel had no idea what to do with him

karmic grotto
round obsidian
#

He plays genji hanzo etc...

#

Then they bring in rascal

#

And tell him go learn dva

#

He goes and learns dva and becomes a very solid dva in OWL

#

Then they just don’t play him much

karmic grotto
#

Weird

#

Do the teams even know what they want?

upper niche
#

Seagull was benched half the time, got moved from dps to tank.

round obsidian
#

Fuel was a dumpster fire

upper niche
#

Not much fun when you want to be not just playing, but playing dps.

round obsidian
#

Kyky and hastro and effect screwed the team over so hard

#

Most teams were fine btw

#

Don’t let fuel affect your perception of other teams

#

Fuel was the outlier not only in their poor management but the fact that the team was so vocal about it

bitter phoenix
#

Fuel is what happens when you get people that can't keep things hush hush and professional

hidden vault
#

"poor management" applies to a few teams too

bitter phoenix
#

Dallas Dumpster Fire

fast basin
#

um

#

It got 30x better tho

surreal lichen
#

Kephrii being a delusional pretentious and self entitled cuck lmfao. There’s so many Widow players who have bigger hero pools in contenders (especially the KR ones) What makes him think he gets a free owl roster spot privileges?

hidden vault
#

Because he streams

karmic grotto
balmy wolf
#

Not a Kephrii fanboy or supporter (in fact I actually dislike him) but isn’t Dafran somewhat doing the same thing as Kephrii?

#

Like I know Dafran used to play for Selfless but he hasn’t been in the pro scene in over a year and he has bypassed contenders and is presumably in the OWL

fast basin
#

well

#

we know for sure Dafran is good enough

#

he's Dafran

#

duh

balmy wolf
#

And Keph isnt?

#

I mean

#

Ik hes a one trick

#

But I think atlanta could use him

#

They dont have a good widow player

deft valley
#

If you're a one trick you're not a pro

#

it's that simple

balmy wolf
#

Dafran already confirmed hes not gonna play widow

#

Pine?

#

Well hes a 2 trick

#

But still

#

He only plays cree and widow

#

which is why he doesnt always play

#

A team could use Kephrii as like a widow specialist

#

to play widow when shes needed

#

hes also proven he can play sombra mei and a bit of cree

#

He does have some insane aim and he can stand up to some other widows in OWL

deft valley
#

even as a specialist you need to be competent at something else a meta requires
and he's not even on par with top OWL widows

queen drift
#

Anything Dafran says right now isn't liable

balmy wolf
#

I wouldnt say that party

deft valley
#

if you're going to have a limited pool you'd better be the best at it

queen drift
#

because A) he might be under contract to not disclose anything until its official

#

or B) he isnt even playing in owl

deft valley
#

not "one of", the best in the league

balmy wolf
#

pine isnt the best widow in the league?

#

maybe the best cree

#

But not best widow?

deft valley
#

he's not a one trick

queen drift
#

^

balmy wolf
#

They have him because hes a competant widow player

queen drift
#

Kephrii is a one trick

balmy wolf
#

Neither is Keph?

queen drift
#

Yes he is

balmy wolf
#

He plays Mei Sombra Cree

queen drift
#

which are all trash

balmy wolf
#

Wait what?

queen drift
#

He doesnt play them at a top500 level

deft valley
#

^

queen drift
#

he barely plays them in low gm

deft valley
#

much less an owl level

balmy wolf
#

He dominated the Phili LAN tourney on Mei?

queen drift
#

LOL

balmy wolf
#

Did you see that match vs Boostio

#

His mei is definetly top level

#

Maybe not his cree and sombra

queen drift
#

there was no top level teams in the phili lan

#

he probably wouldnt be good enough for contenders

#

let alone OWL

balmy wolf
#

Lets see then

#

I just hope they give him a tryout

queen drift
#

we wont see, he wont get in 😂

#

they wont

#

and they shouldnt

balmy wolf
#

I mean he probably will get a tryout for the sole purpose that he would bring clout

#

Im not saying he should

queen drift
#

im 99% positive he wont get a tryout

#

it's a disrespectful attention grab from kephrii

balmy wolf
#

As there are many other contenders players that deserve

queen drift
#

nothing more

balmy wolf
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But I think he moight get one just cuz of the clout

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which is unfair

queen drift
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what would a tryout do for them clout wise

balmy wolf
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But a possibility

queen drift
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nothing, if not worse than nothing

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it would be bad for them because of Kephrii's reputation

balmy wolf
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I mean he would probably make Atlanta

queen drift
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no he wouldnt

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LOL

balmy wolf
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They dont have a single competant widow player dafuq?

queen drift
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kephrii isnt an OWL widow

balmy wolf
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That one contenders guy is gonna get shat on in owl

queen drift
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hes a low gm widow

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if that

balmy wolf
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LOL

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Hes #1 widow rn?

queen drift
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in ladder

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:p

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you think he holds a candle to soon, saya, pine?

balmy wolf
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A ladder that includes OWL players?

queen drift
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you're deluded

balmy wolf
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I think he can stand up to some others but def not saya soon and pine

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That we can agree on

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Those guys are something else

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Honestly I think saya is owl

queen drift
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?????? and you're saying he should get in because of his widow

balmy wolf
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Eh idk

queen drift
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when he isnt even the best widow

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and cant play anything else

balmy wolf
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They might pick him up just because he has some skill at widow

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Nothing else tho

queen drift
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they wont pick him up

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he isnt skilled enough even at widow for owl

balmy wolf
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We will see

queen drift
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no where near

balmy wolf
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I wanna see how dafran does in OWL

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because hes said he isnt playing widow

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And soldier hasnt been meta for over a year

queen drift
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again nothing he says is liable right now

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a) hes under contract not to say anything

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b) hes not in owl

balmy wolf
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Fair enough

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I think he is in OWL

queen drift
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i think so too but that's the two options

balmy wolf
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Fair

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I mean will he be able to stand up to the likes of sabyelobe on tracer?

queen drift
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yeah

balmy wolf
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I know hes is one of the most skilled players in the world

queen drift
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as widow probably not, but as tracer yeah

balmy wolf
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I hope he doesnt end up in an xqc situation

fast basin
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@queen drift You're never supposed to take what Dafran says seriously

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in the first place

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he's Dafran

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that phrase can explain everything he does

queen drift
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ik

torpid charm
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Kephrii gets into OWL or Contenders, he’s gonna get his ass handed to him no matter what.

slow path
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Doesn't he otp widow

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Why would they allow a widow otp on an owl team

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When there are flex hitscan better than him at widow

balmy wolf
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Yeah he is a widow ot

torpid charm
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Pretty sure he was trolling but it’s just hella funny

pallid dirge
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he's just baiting. It gets him attention and attention is what makes him money

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People think he's serious for whatever reason

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He just baits and then acts like playing contenders is beneath him

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and then it gets to the front page of /r/cow

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and he wins

lament gust
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Maybe it’s a troll inside a troll

balmy wolf
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Maybe it's......

Just Dafran

hollow dome
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is it for sure they are only adding 8 teams to season 2 or does Chicago still have a chance??

torpid charm
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Chicago could be a possibility for next season

queen drift
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they are only adding 8 to season 2

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100%

torpid charm
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^^^^

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Team names and logo announcements should start by next month or technically tomorrow since it is October

slow path
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... Chicago has an esports scene?

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Is no one else surprised by that?

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Seeing as like 4 blocks in the city aren't a warzone

fleet walrus
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What’s with the attention grabbing claims with Kephrii?

queen drift
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@fleet walrus asked for a tryout from DC on Twitter

fleet walrus
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Yea I know

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I mean what’s with the controversy

limber pine
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the controversy is that kephrii doesn't "deserve" a tryout

queen drift
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Imo it’s pretty disrespectful the way he went about it

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Asking publically for a tryout, then essentially saying proving himself in contenders wouldn’t be worth his time

upper niche
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To be fair, there's plenty of other players who got to OWL without being made to go the same route.

sullen berry
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there's no way he was happy to join an established team that DID offer tryouts

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Fusion, LA Gladiators, Boston uprising all had their own tryouts

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keep in mind

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you were more likely to be placed in a contenders spot for Fusion Uni, Legion and Toronto Esports respectively.

queen drift
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toronto is bostons academy team?

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huh