esports-discussion

[gaunt acorn]

@polar epoch xQc is just playing on "xQc"

[distant spoke]

China might make it to top 4 this time

[bitter phoenix]

Kellex is so bad

[sullen berry]

This is based on what, exactly

[bitter phoenix]

His movement on lucio is awful

[dusk hinge]

@distant spoke what makes u say that

[ember jewel]

If China picks the second seed from the Paris group stage, they'll almost certainly be in the top 4

[dusk hinge]

Picks? I don’t understand, they can pick opponents?

[bitter phoenix]

China doesn't look that good

Their sniper wiffs easy shots

[distant spoke]

gets*

[ember jewel]

Yeah, gets

They can't pick

[distant spoke]

[ember jewel]

I honestly just want Canada to get South Korea at the quarter finals

[dusk hinge]

I dunno leaves widow wasn’t looking too hot but I remember Krystal having a good widow

[queen drift]

https://twitter.com/overwatchdc/status/1040281618047488000?s=21

Overwatch DC (@OverwatchDC)

Dream on! https://t.co/rL8mbg2jcl

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is there a worse possible way to hint a new player LOL

[pearl stratus]

Krystal has a good Widow, Leaves is streaky but it was never his strong suit.

Leave was a weird little combination of Genji/Tracer/McCree/Fist, with some Sombra thrown in.

And Junkrat.

He's got an okay Pharah as well.

I'm betting we'll see a game with 2 tanks, 3 DPS, 1 Support from China.

Because you can run Shy+Krystal+Leave.

And Shy, for over a year, was a support main. He was Zen/Ana/Lucio.

So if it fails, you have the capability to flex to a 2/2/2 with nothing lost.

Bren + Sideshow casting OWWC actually are a bad combo as I rewatch Day 2.

Mostly because Bren is such an idiot.

So he's just being an idiot, and then making fun of sideshow, then getting hyped.

Also Bren flat out called Chips a bot.

Which, while unprofessional, is hilarious./

[warped axle]

China number one!

[frozen perch]

OWWC has a bunch of European, American, and Canadian teams and players

but OWL is 90% Korean :|

[warped axle]

REINFORCE

What an absolute unit

[tawny sigil]

what an absolute mad lad

#fireOWWCsoundteam

[warped axle]

Tbf Wolf messed up his mic

[tawny sigil]

no that was not what he did

peaking like that is not a mic problem

its a synt problem

unless his mic is broken which is not the case here cause its been doing that to everyone since 2 days ago

[pearl stratus]

@frozen perch And look at how bad most of those other regions do.

The areas have some OWL caliber players but the majority are not.

Brazil has ~2 potential people who could make it (helpfully they speak fluent english so the integration is easy), you had ONIGOD for Norway but really no one else, Austria had... no one honestly, same with Switzerland.

The entire US Team, minus Zacharee is already in OWL. Zach would have been but he's young. He will be in S2. Same with Canada and Crimzo.

[vagrant niche]

Sweeden so bad

Reinforce going to get bad image

[pearl stratus]

Eh Reinforce isn't playing badly imo.

Minus the peel on supports.

[tawny sigil]

rip in peace sweds

[warped axle]

Chipshajen had a bad round

[pearl stratus]

The Swedish OWL/Ex-OWL players just look like straight up garbage.

Bren literally asked "Does anyone know if Chips is just an advanced AI?"

Called a bot on the OWWC stream = lol.

Tviq looks like a master flex dps too, the entire OWWC.

He's shown no ability to be a carry DPS.

[frozen perch]

this is just sad

[pearl stratus]

I blame Midnight (Mayhem coach).

Dude can't pick a support to save his life.

His Mayhem supports were garbage, and so are his OWWC ones.

[frozen perch]

it hurts to watch

[pearl stratus]

I like that it gives Thai players a bit of a spotlight though.

[tawny sigil]

look so bad for sweden

[pearl stratus]

That;s normally an ignored region.

[vagrant niche]

they are so bad

[pearl stratus]

So its nice to see them shine.

[vagrant niche]

jesus

[tawny sigil]

CRANK THAT MUSIC UP

[vagrant niche]

they are like the shangai

of this world cup

section

[pearl stratus]

Nope.

People liked Shanghai, and wanted them to win 😛

No one cares about Sweden.

[warped axle]

They are the Florida Mayhem

[molten skiff]

they are

[warped axle]

In more ways than one

[narrow valve]

Guys is the mic scuffed for anyone else

[molten skiff]

Sweden Mayham

[narrow valve]

In the world cup

[forest wharf]

oof sweden

[pearl stratus]

Their coaches picks are just baffling.

[warped axle]

Audio's just weird in general Jenna

[pearl stratus]

I understand Manneten, he's... okay.

[molten skiff]

wait is sweden out now?

[vagrant niche]

yet somehow Mayhem releases Logix and keeps Tviq

[pearl stratus]

But like.. No Nevix?

[molten skiff]

i read that thye had to go 8-0 today

[narrow valve]

Chip : (

[pearl stratus]

@vagrant niche Hero pool, 100%.

[molten skiff]

their coach is mayhem coach

[pearl stratus]

Tviq has a big pool, granted he's the worst flex in OWL.

But he's at least Flex.

[short current]

hey

where can i find a scrim right now for my team?

[warped axle]

No Nevix, no Lulsish, no using Snillo, Mineral instead of IDDQD... This team is not Sweden's best.

[pearl stratus]

Check the LF-SCrim channels

Midnight is a trash coach.

[vagrant niche]

seriously, stop with these videos

we know how it plays

nobody new cares about this

[short current]

other that this discord where can i find a team to scrim=

?

[vagrant niche]

Normies don't care about competitive stuff unless you throw them sprays or skins

everybody who watches this stream that has none of that they know how it plays

[pearl stratus]

Except every article about the OWL finals was that people who weren't already fans couldn't enjoy it as much because they didn't know what was going on.

So they're not going away.

[vagrant niche]

in fact, those videos are HORRIBLE

you seen that battle mercy?

[pearl stratus]

Because people who buy tickets t o the finals are more important than anyone else.

[vagrant niche]

and the D.Va shooting from long range

to a bastion

that's what you showing the normies

teaching them bad game sense

[frozen perch]

EMP > GOATS

[pearl stratus]

They're not players, they're viewers.

And they matter more than the people who complain about the videos.

Because they buy tickets to events for their kids and shit.

[vagrant niche]

man, as a pharah main

i'm scared of the changes coming

watching pharah right now

[forest wharf]

reinforce plz

[pearl stratus]

He hinted later they were more like buffs.

[frozen perch]

he did?

[pearl stratus]

Than anyone else.

[vagrant niche]

BUFFS?

omg

[agile quartz]

i'm a pharah main too

[frozen perch]

RIP console

[vagrant niche]

then people who can't aim are going to says she's more OP

i don't want that

[pearl stratus]

Console doesn't matter, honestly.

[agile quartz]

and they'll end up nerfing her

[vagrant niche]

cause they going to overnerf her

[agile quartz]

ew lmao

[frozen perch]

uh not everyone's dps

[pearl stratus]

It doesn't produce pros, etc.

[vagrant niche]

but but, DPSSTANKY

i was sarcastic there btw

seriously, pharah super weak specially without mercy

just get a D.Va go peel

a little bit of aim

job done

[agile quartz]

i have 95 hours on pharah

[vagrant niche]

i have waaay more than that

[agile quartz]

and i still have no idea when or how to use her ult

[frozen perch]

dont be afraid to solo ult

[vagrant niche]

it's a hard ult cause you tend to die

yes

solo ult is fine

1 kill is good enough

[pearl stratus]

Patiphan needs to drop the Widow for Zarya/Doom

[frozen perch]

the more people u try to kill with barrage, the more people there are to shoot you

[agile quartz]

i've obviously not been using her ult right then

[vagrant niche]

5v6 is better than you tried dying to wipe them

or if you have to die

kill mercy or moira or ana

something high value

[agile quartz]

alright

[frozen perch]

that goes for heroes in general honestly

[vagrant niche]

if that was Jjonak

he would had killed the zarya

[agile quartz]

lmao it's sad because the hero i have the second most hours on is 36

v 95 lol

[frozen perch]

ew one trick

[agile quartz]

i'm actually better at that hero than pharah

[frozen perch]

if 1 hero makes up 50% or more of ur total hours, i consider u a 1 trick

[agile quartz]

but yeah ig i'm one trick when playing pharah

kinda works tho

[vagrant niche]

did Chipsha had trans?

or did he just used it late?

[pearl stratus]

He used it prior

He generates Trans insanely slow

Because he's a bot.

[ruby pendant]

lol 4-0

really getting destroyed

[agile quartz]

lmao

[vagrant niche]

i mean, they can still win it

it's winnable

[frozen perch]

ouuch

[pearl stratus]

It's theoretically winnable.

[ruby pendant]

There's a chance

[frozen perch]

lemme check sweden's record rn

[pearl stratus]

Judging by their current level of play though

It's very unlikely.

[ruby pendant]

they at least were able to stop 3rd point

[agile quartz]

report sweden for tanking

[frozen perch]

1-2 atm

[pearl stratus]

Sweden has disappointed me.

[frozen perch]

not the worst

[pearl stratus]

And China has surprised me.

Denmark surprised me as well.

[agile quartz]

i thought china would be the worst team

[pearl stratus]

For an OWL-less team minus Kellex, who's meh, they've done really well.

[frozen perch]

shanghai flashbacks?

[agile quartz]

yeah

[pearl stratus]

Nah, I knew China would do well.

[ruby pendant]

Contenders China is good

[pearl stratus]

Shanghai is the exception, not the rule.

[ruby pendant]

Only Dragons not that great

[pearl stratus]

China historically has a very strong player group.

MY used to bring Lunatic Hai to Map 5's etc.

LFZ doesn't really count, since its a Korean group in China, but yeah.

[frozen perch]

they lost that?

there we go

[pearl stratus]

Thailand running that weird meme-comp with Hammond.

[ruby pendant]

actually doing good!!

[agile quartz]

damn patiphan

[pearl stratus]

Waiting for Teetawat to go back to Rein.

Probably after this ult.

[frozen perch]

honesty Wrecking Ball is seeing a lot more play than I ever expected

[pearl stratus]

He's insanely disruptive with decent damage.

His biggest issue is Sombra is everywhere right now.

And she just nullifies him.

[frozen perch]

I would use the word "okay damage"

[pearl stratus]

They're not running a Brig on Sweden.

Saiya should be on the Sombra with Pati on Doomfist.

[ruby pendant]

1-1

[pearl stratus]

Thailand threw that game away.

Keeping a widow against Goats is just stupid.

[frozen perch]

hah, the casters actually used jargon like "G.O.A.T.S"

[tawny sigil]

They have been doing that for a long time now

[pearl stratus]

Yeah they use the proper jargon for comps etc.

[frozen perch]

but why

[pearl stratus]

Dive, Goats, etc.

[frozen perch]

dive is self-explanitory

goats is named after a team

[pearl stratus]

I mean it is and it isn't.

Dive is a much stricter comp than Goats.

[tawny sigil]

they say C9 aswell

[pearl stratus]

Goats is just a 3:3, but even then it can be adjusted to have a DPS.

[agile quartz]

that's obv not for bronze or silver

[frozen perch]

i don't think most OW players know what goats is, casual ones at least

[pearl stratus]

I would argue unless you've been under a rock or play on console, you know what it is.

[frozen perch]

you'd expect goats to be more popular on console

[agile quartz]

sweden tryna be smart rn

[pearl token]

Is Patiphan going nuts again?

[agile quartz]

hes doing good at widow

nvm, emp and blade fucked em up

[frozen perch]

the constant reaper reloading without animation cancel is hurting me

why reload after one shot anyway

[limber pine]

why spray after every fight

b/c reasons

[frozen perch]

yee, beyblade

why is thailand running wrecking ball against sombra and reaper? :|

[agile quartz]

ok wow

not even gonna say anything there

[tawny sigil]

chips is like brightness?... CRANK THAT SHIT

[limber pine]

oh god

[agile quartz]

lmao

that was a bad idea

[frozen perch]

all this cheese

and they're sticking with the cheese

[molten skiff]

THIS IS TRAGIC BUT I LOVE YOU FOR TRYING

[agile quartz]

i

[frozen perch]

i guess sym ult can be pretty damn useful rn

[agile quartz]

d

rather see a torb

[frozen perch]

heh

its sad to see sym never working

buff sym

i felt bad for sweden at first but now i feel bad for thailand

[agile quartz]

"make her turrets heal at the same time"

same

[vagrant niche]

how can you buff her?

without breaking her

[frozen perch]

make her primary not shit

make give her ult +5 s

[agile quartz]

never go bastion if you're thailand

[vagrant niche]

isn't her ult like a zarya barrier?

more thicker?

[frozen perch]

??

[vagrant niche]

her primary fire my bad

why can't she be a brawler?

and go with rein etc

[frozen perch]

Sym's beam is 12 m; Zarya's is 16 m
Sym's beam takes 4 seconds of constant tracking to get to 180 DPS; Zarya is usually around that range anyway

Also keep in mind that Sym is a defenseless squishy that's super easy to kill

[vagrant niche]

just peel for her

[frozen perch]

While Zarya has double the health pool and has a bubble

So Zarya's beam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sym's beam

[vagrant niche]

i mean, you can teleport

and brawl

why nobody doing that?

think of goats with symetra

[frozen perch]

u could try that

[vagrant niche]

heal heal heal, she stays on the back

charge her beam

and kill stuff

i just don't know why nobody is coordinating to make that work

[frozen perch]

the fuck is sweden's comp?

[vagrant niche]

spam turrets to harass whatever your frontline is peeling

[frozen perch]

oh. the match hasn't started yet

[vagrant niche]

goat's weakness is that they can't contest high ground

Symetra fixes that

[frozen perch]

goats again

[serene tendon]

thailand having swedens colours is

confusing

[frozen perch]

didn't even know that blue is sweden's color

is the patch they're running with the rialto attacker buff?

[pearl stratus]

Oh hey.

Mickie is on the only hero he's not horrible at.

Finally.

[agile quartz]

omfg

swede tanks op

[frozen perch]

dat lucio

[agile quartz]

dat shatter

[frozen perch]

dat lluuucio

[pearl stratus]

Chips being such a bot

He didn't hear a Rein behind him

[frozen perch]

Hm.

[agile quartz]

they shouldn't have pulled out that bastion

[frozen perch]

Now I feel bad for pitying Sweden

[balmy wolf]

chips and mickie hugged BibleThump

[limber pine]

If AUS wins they’re in

Denmark needs a win and an AUS loss

Sweden needs a loss from both teams

[forest wharf]

zp+jake best caster combo

[tawny sigil]

jake was already casting the games in OWL

to his team

guy was always freaking talking

[agile quartz]

is china undefeated

[tawny sigil]

you lose SR rating by jumping down like that

[agile quartz]

loving krystal's pharah play

[sullen berry]

China remains undefeated, about 5 map losses over three matches

[molten skiff]

why is jake so good at casting

[frozen perch]

he's casting rn?

[molten skiff]

yeah

[frozen perch]

didn't even notice.
all their voices sound the same

[rough kiln]

I was surprised when I first saw Jake casting, his pretty good.

[forest wharf]

yea hes definitely improved since his first casting in incheon group stage

or maybe the first was in talent takedown?

[frozen perch]

gg

[forest wharf]

imagine if shd signed this china roster...

[sullen berry]

No reason not to

[molten skiff]

why did spain get to point so late?

[sullen berry]

But the Chinese franchising is becoming hotly competitive

[forest wharf]

meant if they signed them originally instead of going for their disaster team

pretty sure china got pissed off at being represented by shanghai's 0-40 team so said fuck it and bought 3 more chinese teams

[hidden vault]

Who is the other team likely to get to the finals like china?

[molten skiff]

denmark

so sweden's out?

[balmy wolf]

sweden was out since the roster began

yeah sweden is just garbage in general

they're actually throwing

[hidden vault]

Isnt sweden filled with overwatch league people?

[gaunt acorn]

owl players? yes

good owl players?

[balmy wolf]

no

[viral otter]

no

So, you guys excited for the next match?

[balmy wolf]

what is the next match

[viral otter]

dunno, the website schedule is confusing

[balmy wolf]

well sweden are gonna get 0-4

so this should be done soon

[viral otter]

def

[balmy wolf]

if they invested in a better roster

bunch of nobodies

[viral otter]

Australia V China i

I think

[balmy wolf]

sweden just keeps playing like your local plat team lol

what they did before they got rekt is like the 1 time they did something correctly

[frozen perch]

intentionally picking HLC

[round obsidian]

Onigod super underrated

[sullen berry]

Notice how Denmark really couldn't give a care about normal defense

[gaunt acorn]

horizon isnt that bad anymore

[round obsidian]

That hold on kings row second point was bullshit tbh

[frozen perch]

there's still a negative stigma and honestly, i just don't like the aesthetics of the maps

its just so bland

[sullen berry]

Blizzard world and horizon are great picks to throw off China

[round obsidian]

The whole time the coasters are screaming wat7 but they don’t pick up on onigod literally 1v4ing Sweden

Sticking the lucio before be can get to the fight and keeping the winston at bay

They just scream wat7 smh

[sullen berry]

Oni God getting a lot less attention than mrdragonlol

And he was Austria 's dps iirc

[round obsidian]

Onigod is Norwegian tho

Or did you mean dragon was Austria’s dps

[sullen berry]

I'm at a festival, so can't hear the audio

Placed right in front of the speakers

[round obsidian]

Kabaji not on team Austria

Dafran and Kragie not on team Denmark

[sullen berry]

Color hex not part of team Australia 😩

[round obsidian]

Custa

[frozen perch]

nano, death blossom, emp, and sound barrier

and they lost

[sullen berry]

One does not simply make luddee and sharp owl capable overnight

[pastel berry]

Thaat was an sneaky barrge

[round obsidian]

I’m personally surprised reinforce is on the team

[pastel berry]

aHm me too

[round obsidian]

It’s a welcome surprise tho

[sullen berry]

It was a no brainer for a coaching role

[pastel berry]

#RipCocco

[sullen berry]

Mineral?

🤔

[round obsidian]

I thought his time off from the pro scene would’ve made him rusty

But reinforce is still a god

Super impressive

[pastel berry]

Yes hes good

[sullen berry]

Reinforce is great at pharah

[pastel berry]

gh

[round obsidian]

Denmark and Sweden both feel kinda trash tho ngl

[pastel berry]

WHATA ARE YOU SAAYING

ANM FROM SWEDEN

Jk its ok

;Da

Pls dont say tviq going sym

[round obsidian]

I mean in the grand scheme of things compared to other teams they are definitely both worse than I expected

[pastel berry]

Yea

They are worse then 2017

wolrd cup

[frozen perch]

ouch.

[pastel berry]

omg

[balmy wolf]

LOOOOOOOL

[pastel berry]

The tviq bomb

AHhahaa

Wth

[frozen perch]

this might cost denmark their chance of blizzcon

[pastel berry]

😄

That was nice play of manneten

[balmy wolf]

i just wanna see sweden win this

I'm already ashamed of my own country as it is

[pastel berry]

Where do you live

[balmy wolf]

sweden lol

north part

[pastel berry]

aNaorrland

[balmy wolf]

yup

[pastel berry]

Eller

[balmy wolf]

mhm

[pastel berry]

OAhhh

[balmy wolf]

potato aim

[forest wharf]

tviq????

[balmy wolf]

wtf is he doing

[pastel berry]

Tviq?

[balmy wolf]

didn't even land one single shot on the mercy

[forest wharf]

yea, i mean valking mercy is pretty hard to hit...but they were basically standing still lol

[balmy wolf]

get sharp off widow

he's not doing shit

[forest wharf]

oh shit tviq doing something

[pastel berry]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THE BLADAE

[frozen perch]

is ur stream lagging

[pastel berry]

NOpe

[forest wharf]

fine for me

[balmy wolf]

that happened like 30 sec ago

lol

[frozen perch]

map 5

these teams are so symmetrical

2-2, similar flags

[tawny sigil]

fatty shatty?

[forest wharf]

just play goats 4head

[frozen perch]

:O

[tawny sigil]

rip denmark

china and australia

[viral otter]

whoo!

[tawny sigil]

who is australia fighting?

[frozen perch]

china

[tawny sigil]

so 0-4 is possible

[serene tendon]

mikas so tiny lmao

[sweet scaffold]

Reinforce is going to retire?

[hidden vault]

he's a caster

maybe they should have filled CWoosHinstead lol

[ruby pendant]

@tawny sigil If they lose all the games, Australia would still make it to the next round right?

[tawny sigil]

i dont know what the score is

yea they still in even if they 0-4 watch

not sure why they're saying australia needs to get 1 map to be in. denmark is +3 and they're +8... according to the site at least

so that would make them +4

unless im missing something

[umbral palm]

让朋友们去吧

[tawny sigil]

site clearly says denmark is 12-9 and austratia is 12-4

[umbral palm]

it's map wins -> head-to-head

Denmark beat aus

[tawny sigil]

australia going 0-4 would make them 12-8

still better score

[forest raven]

It's not differential

It's wins

If AU gets 4-0'd they'd be 12-8-0

Denmark would be 12-9-1

[sullen berry]

^^

[forest raven]

Same number of wins, but a higher number of ties

The losses aren't relevant

[tawny sigil]

ok

thats why they need to show the score on the site

they dont show anything

[viral otter]

it's not well laid out

it was a pain to find the times for the next match

[tawny sigil]

they dont even have a score page

[viral otter]

just murdered

that guy, out of the gate, headshot

[umbral palm]

Hus, stop that

[viral otter]

at least they got a revenge kill?

come on australia!!

[umbral palm]

😡

Noo

[tawny sigil]

z9

[viral otter]

who won I couldn't see

[tawny sigil]

d11

[serene tendon]

d10

cmon aussie, just 1 map

[tawny sigil]

i heard pick your vagina

[balmy wolf]

What did sweden vs denmark end on

[serene tendon]

ay

lets go aussie

[forest raven]

Might get 1st seed

[tawny sigil]

down to the last map

Absolute Mad Lad

next match is hard to care about

who can finish with no wins

[upper niche]

ahaha Custa with the Ozzie chant 😄

Also, Koalas aren't bears you dickheads 😛

[tawny sigil]

they are called Koala bear in england

thats why british people look like idiot when they move out... they say koala bear and every is like... wtf

[tawny sigil]

thai food won't go undeafeted

[sullen berry]

Fam

Look at this Thailand defense

[tawny sigil]

spain goes home with the shanghai award

[sullen berry]

If you want one map to watch how every single country performs, it's rialto

I did not expect anything like this from Thailand to actually happen

Sym teleport to stare off Spain in spawn

Triple boop rocket

🚀 🚀 🚀

[upper niche]

@tawny sigil No, they're not called a Koala bear anywhere. Anyone calling them a bear is wrong and uneducated. Koalas are marsupials, not bears.

[tawny sigil]

i saw a university teacher call them koala bear

uneducated

[outer sorrel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fB2y52jfRdc

[upper niche]

lol, do you know the bar for getting a job as a tutor/lecturer at a university?

[tawny sigil]

the guy is an actual scientist

and i'm sure you've seen his face before

he's been around the internet

[upper niche]

lol.

Ahhh. The Bachelor of Science awarded from Reddit University. Of course 😄

Not to be confused with a BArts from 4chan.

[balmy wolf]

is america still in or did they get put out?

[upper niche]

America went 5-0, undefeated.

Canada was next, 4-1

[gaunt acorn]

both america and canada have secured a spot in the final 8, yup

they will both be attending blizzcon

[balmy wolf]

i hope canada loses because fuck xqc

watched his stream he is so fucking toxic

[upper niche]

I'd get behind that.

Sorry Canada, you found your one asshole.

[gaunt acorn]

[hidden vault]

Who will win paris' qualifier

Other then team rogue

[upper niche]

UK, surely. THey have all of London Spitfire. ... wait, damnit.

[torpid charm]

#NorthStrong

@gaunt acorn hey greenie

[pearl stratus]

So sad I missed China v. Australia last night.

Gonna need to watch the vod today.

All I've heard is that China looked dominant yet again.

[forest raven]

China looked pretty dominant on koth @pearl stratus

They got full held on 2cp

[limber pine]

Denmark why?!

all you needed to do is win

[fiery swallow]

Denmark got knocked out by 1 map

unfortunate

[woven mulch]

I hope USA loses because of Muma

[frozen moat]

People actually dislike Muma?

[woven mulch]

yes lol

he is very hated

[frozen moat]

Why?

[long belfry]

Because he got xQc suspended for a bullshit reason

[deft valley]

xqc insults muma
league suspends xqc
This must all be muma's fault

[fiery swallow]

I feel like the french bracket is a bit boring

Maybe should have swapped Sweden for Italy or Poland

[deft valley]

If Sweden was swapped out, Bangkok would be that instead

[fiery swallow]

It just feels off sweden not qualifying

[deft valley]

It does but it's on them

shouldn't have been 0-4'd by australia

[torpid charm]

Muma got xQc suspended??? Wow who knew?

[deft valley]

Paris qualifier is easily the weakest though
I feel like Russia or Sweden would both go through if they were in the Paris group

[fiery swallow]

yeah

China showed up strong though

[torpid charm]

China was on a goddamn roll

[fiery swallow]

It'll be cool to see how they play against some of the other teams

[vagrant niche]

hey, so who classified to blizcon?

China?

[junior arrow]

Yeah

[queen drift]

china us canada

idk others

[deft valley]

from the Thailand qualifier, China and Australia

[vagrant niche]

ay

Uber must be happy

[viral otter]

does anyone know when the next match is?

[pearl token]

Sept 21st France vs Netherlands

1 am pacific

Ill be watching all of those as reruns xD

It may also finally click for some people why its tough for European teams to invest in something their ppl cant watch due to time zones. Until they start traveling for matches like they plan to later

[warped axle]

Other than France idk who to root for in the next stage

[pearl token]

True, I like Soon

[rare sonnet]

I wonder who will come 3rd in France

Would have been cool if Denmark was in the European qualifier instead

[vagrant niche]

Poko on france

[limber pine]

Germany has a lot of experience

I’d bet that they’re 3rd

[idle beacon]

@limber pine lol ?

are they playin now?

@limber pine

[dusk hinge]

I don’t think China has very good chances. They were the strongest out of a weak pool.

Even then they had to go to multiple game fives

[limber pine]

@idle beacon no

I’m just saying they’ll be third at the Paris qualifier

[pearl stratus]

Going to game 5 isn't inherently bad. It just shows who they prepped for more.

Based on last years results I wouldn't have prepped for Thailand either.

It's not like they won their bracket 5-0 then lost to a contenders team right after.

Like SK 😛

Correlation isn't causation.

[vagrant niche]

to be fair

China did look good

other than Sky dying a lot

the main tank for China looked OWL

potential

for me, Patiphan was the star of this bracket

[astral fern]

Has there been a match schedule released for paris if so can smbd post it and @ me ?

[idle beacon]

@limber pine r u german?

[pearl stratus]

That entire Chinese roster, maybe perhaps Lateyoung, are pretty much OWL ready.

Just sad they don't have a great Widow, but that could be a grind out thing.

[idle beacon]

they should get an awp pro

i wish jeff will add n hero with instagib ability 😄

[limber pine]

no

[pearl stratus]

I mean a CSGO player would help, they're basically poor useless people.

So you'd probably get them cheap.

Relying on tournament winnings in 2018.

[pearl token]

The Thai group was the most exciting yet it makes me the most sad

Because i want to see more of the Little Legend

[dusk hinge]

Why is lateyoung not owl level though

[pearl stratus]

Lateyoungs peels and aggression need to be sync'd better with the team, and his ult eating wasn't up to par. He just was the one piece I felt that was off-sync to the rest fo the team, and for a D'va thats dangerous.

[queen drift]

instagib wont work in ow

[balmy wolf]

why was the quality of the recent overwatch group stage streams been so bad

[sullen berry]

Regional broadcasting challenges, I would think

There's a budget that's been spread out thin along with the required technical people who Blizz are not directly responsible for

[queen drift]

busan-los angeles is pretty peak for a broadcaster

no real limitations on data

thailand, poland tho

[sullen berry]

Paris and katowice I didn't/don't want any expectations going into it

[vagrant niche]

why is it almost always the console people complaining about Pharah

jesus

they do not understand she's situational on meta and can't really do much vs goats

we seen this on the league

[queen drift]

@vagrant niche cuz they cant aim to take care of her

same with tracer

[vagrant niche]

it's not hard, it only take team work

you don't even have to have good aim

it only takes a Zen to discord orb her, Winston or D.Va to just jump on her and peel, while a mccree takes a bodyshot and she's dead

the game needs to be balanced based on pro scene, simple as that

console need to 🏃

[queen drift]

i dont really agree.. i think there's a good balance to both

if the game is gonna be balanced around the pro scene you'll see low skill ceiling heroes being useless

which will kill the playerbase

id prefer it that way but it wont happen

[sullen berry]

Individual plays on console sounds straight up bad, so I don't think we will get an OWL tier player from console from PlayStation anytime soon

I can get behind a a team who recruits a pro player on xbox though for the memes

If you want to stand out amongst 20+ teams beyond season 3, and they can play around the rest of their team, why not?

[gaunt acorn]

kyky no longer general manager of vancouver, deal was rescinded

[hidden vault]

Nooo why:(((

Then he should go back to dallas

[gaunt acorn]

@hidden vault but he's currently signed to outlaws

[hidden vault]

It was said that kyky thought houston some dallas tricks when he transferred over

The Mei on Nepal vs Pharah

[surreal lichen]

As much as it’s hard to be a Dallas Fuel fan, you can’t help but root for them. Just something about a team that’s suppose to be top tier but underperformed and we’re dealt with so many push backs & drama llamas that would make ironically a great esports anime story plot line. They seem like they got their shit together now with better staff and player aren’t on the verge of mental breakdowns but sadly change came too late. Get hype for Season 2 boiis

[karmic grotto]

Dallas had good people

Like Seagull

[long belfry]

Its not hard to kill Pharah as Mei if you are decent

[deft valley]

you can’t help but root for them.
Nah i'm good lol

[long belfry]

Is love is life

[hidden vault]

Dallas wasn't exactly top tier

They just won season 1 apex

[sullen berry]

and the inaugural overwatch open division

[hidden vault]

By accident

Pre season

Then they got areo as a coach

[snow rapids]

Envy was a top tier team, they won more than Apex

Lol

And winning apex was an insane feat

[pearl stratus]

I never had high expectations for Dallas after the first few games of the Season when I noted it was a pretty hard locked dive comp.

And EnvyUS sucked at dive.

They were always a better brawler comp organization.

It's, in my opinion, what helped them shine in Stage 4.

[pallid dirge]

they never had a tank lineup capable of dive, and they also never had a genji specialist for oldschool dive.

the only person who had a decent genji was also their one and only tracer

[long belfry]

Until they had Seagull

[pallid dirge]

yeah, but he was also their only good d.va

[long belfry]

But he wasnt as good

Mickie was good at dva 1.0

[pallid dirge]

well, not necessarily. like. he was out of shape on genji, sure.

But the whole team was in shambles at that point

and mickie was good at broken d.va cuz he could play very aggressively and not focus on maintaining DM resource

now he misses peel all the time because of poorly managed DM or over aggressiveness

I wonder who they'll get to replace seagull d.va

[pearl stratus]

@pallid dirge They had the tools to be good at dive at the start of the season, they just never integrated it.

You could have run xQc, Mickie, Seagull, Effect, Custa, Randombadsupport.

If you told Seagull 'Hey, practice Genji' a month before the season started you'd have been fine.

And put proper resources into separating xQc's personal and professional personas.

[pallid dirge]

I said the team was in shambles, kinda implied that already

[drifting tulip]

mykl is a garbage human being

he's selling owl leaks on patreon lmfao

[pearl stratus]

Oh. OWWC only allowed subs at halftime?

That explains a lot of teams issues.

[limber pine]

I think it's probably to keep the games moving.

That way, subs can get their stuff set up at halftime.

[pearl stratus]

Yeah with 10 hours days it makes sense.

From a competitive nature it doesn't

Plus imagine Thailand with more interruptions?

The place would have exploded from technical difficulties.

[limber pine]

yuuuup

[jagged crater]

someone pickup shadowburn please

[long belfry]

[jagged crater]

didnt watch much of bangkok qualifiers

China with them sweeps tho

pretty disappointing for sweden

good to see Australia

Who were the standout players for China?

guxue and leave?

[pearl stratus]

All of them, honestly.

Guxue was a monster, Leave is insane for being back for a month or so. Shy was an insane Sombra/Tracer, Krystals Pharah was nutty.

Their biggest issue was the half time subs because they couldn't swap on a per map.

Lateyoung was their most unimpressive player.

Still looked better than Mickie on D'va, but definitely not that impressive.

[jagged crater]

he was former MY wasnt he

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, he just didn't super impress me.

Though apparently counting contenders stuff China apparently only had two weeks to practice really.

I think Guxue took the spotlight away from every tank though. He was just... ridiculous.

[limber pine]

yeah and players like Mangachu and Zacharee had to play/practice for both their national teams and their WC teams

[pearl stratus]

Yeah.

McGravy helped out the OWWC team too

[long belfry]

Mangachu

No Mangachu

No win

[jagged crater]

what are the odds mcgravy on fuel

[pearl stratus]

50-50.

They need to replace Mickie and rotate him into a coach/PR role.

[jagged crater]

i followed mcgravy when he was playing with fahzix. Would love to see him on fuel

mickie designated streamer? 😦

[pearl stratus]

Nah, no one cares a streamer who isn't that good.

Mental Health Coach.

Depressed? Here's a room with Mickie and some puppies.

[jagged crater]

people watch streamers for personality not skill necessarily

[warped axle]

Nah, no one cares a streamer who isn't that good.

I beg to differ

There are things called "boobie streamers"

Nobody cares if they're not good

[jagged crater]

camgirl lites?

[ruby pendant]

You think China's team can beat South Korea and/or U.S?

[jagged crater]

yes why not

[long belfry]

Probably

It may be a 50 50 though

[jagged crater]

that's good odds for the heavy favorites tho

vs US is 50 50, vs SK prob 40 60

[pearl stratus]

I doubt they'll beat them, but I don't think they'll be swept if they keep up the tenacity they've had.

@warped axle Also transitive property. If Stream = Boobs, and Boobs = Good, then Stream = Good. Thats just math.

[verbal roost]

Do they just livestream the World Cup games or are there recordings available?

[pearl stratus]

There's Vods on the Overwatch Twitch channel.

[verbal roost]

Ok ty

[dusk hinge]

@pearl stratus it’s not math it’s syllogism

[queen drift]

@gaunt acorn eyyy you’re green now go

Gz

[limber pine]

ew green

[fossil drift]

Is it against the rules to post a form here for people to fill out? I want to make a chart of peoples fan favorites in OWL based on hero choice. Don't want to post unless it is allowed though

[vagrant niche]

i don't see any problem with it honestly

people here are usually pretty shill

unlike /cow

[obtuse pasture]

Atlanta has team now hopefully Paris gets one

[limber pine]

Paris is getting one

[fossil drift]

Cool then here is the link: https://goo.gl/forms/36rD6f2aHOOc5vB22

I am on medical leave so I want to do something fun and make charts

[vagrant niche]

@fossil drift no contenders right?

just OWL?

[fossil drift]

I might do a separate one for contenders after this one

I was back and forth on whether I was going to be making these multiple choice. So that is why I started at OWL lol

[vagrant niche]

well there you go

i gave you some data

good luck

[limber pine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/9gn7as/an_ama_with_michael_mykl_padilla_1pm_pdt4pm/

This should be fun

[fossil drift]

Thanks @vagrant niche

I posted on Reddit too and am going to start graphing on Friday at 12p

pacific

[long belfry]

I actually put Taimou as best Winston

Lets put him as best Winston

[fossil drift]

Sonofa.... Got removed from r/compOW - my fault for missing the very last rule...

[jagged crater]

dam mykl really likes to attract attention

[green stump]

I believe he's trying to create a new image for himself with this

[dusk hinge]

The only thing I know about him is clickbait

[green stump]

He's apparently going to stop with the clickbait

[long belfry]

But starting to charge you for stuff

[green stump]

Well you need money to keep up that kind of lifestyle...

[warped axle]

So Harsha left the Shock

Is this team going to implode?

[balmy wolf]

hey has anyone got any info about dc's owl time besides the addition of janus and wizardhyeong?... give shadowburn pls im begging

[limber pine]

No more dc news yet

[pearl stratus]

Shadowburn, I still think, is just in a weird situation. In a world of crazy flex DPS he's still got a shallow pool that we see.

Even when he streams its almost always just Genji/Pharah.

[gaunt acorn]

@queen drift ty!

@warped axle shock seems to be having a rough time behind the scenes

i'm expecting more drama

[limber pine]

Teams are in such an odd place. Even though Danteh is IMO a better flex dps than Sinatraa, the meta now clearly required a dps that can offtank

How do you sign a player like danteh without knowledge of what the meta will be

[zenith patio]

Hey guys

Who should I watch for Zenyatta play?

I want to get better with this character

Are there any reputable channels onYoutube I can watch like Eskay for Lucio stuff for example?

[shadow vector]

if you want to get good at zen

depends on what your playstyle is

are you more passive zen or more aggressive time to go rambo zen

if you want to watch the best zen player imo it's jjonak

[balmy wolf]

@zenith patio While jjonak is probably the best zen in the world, watching an english stream can be very benefecial and for that i recommend sleepy. Either way, you are more likely to see ana play than zen play on pro streams due to the current meta, and if you watch jjonak's stream you'll see an even heavier ammount of non-zen play (ie tracer). Basically just browse twitch until u see someone good on zen lo

[queen drift]

+1 sleepy/jjonak

[pearl stratus]

@limber pine I don't think a year ago you could manage the expectations that you'd need a DPS that could flex to both off-tank and support.

@balmy wolf I would actually say Jjonak is one of the worst zens to watch. He's such a big name now and they put too many resources into him. No one would accurately replicate it.

Sleepy, Fran (though sometimes she gets resources cause she's a girl, but its actually more rare) are probably better.

There was a Chinese coach for a while - Coach Seksi - who made a lot of great videos, but that was a year back. No clue if he's kept up with it. But he was really good at explaining things.

[pearl token]

With Jjonak, I mean he's a god. It's clear. But he also tends to have lower healing stats. Hes basically a clutch orb chucker. If learning the complete role of what Zen offers he probably wouldn't be the best to watch for that aspect

but my god is he fun to watch

And the lower healing stats isnt a knock on him its probably more representative of his teams play style as a whole

I dont think the average player could accomplish half of what he does without it being enabled by great players around them

[jagged crater]

danteh got a nuts sombra, perfect for the meta right now

also got tracer in his hero pool. serviceable proj heroes, good fit for houston

even when s2 rolls around without sombra or tracer meta, that's what backup flexes are for!

i'd watch fahzix just cuz he's really good at explaining his thought process, which imo helps players more than just hitting some nutty right clicks

You can watch the best mechanically skilled zen's in the world but their skills are more difficult to replicate without some proper guidance

[vagrant niche]

what is this that i'm hearing my boi dafran wants to be on OWL

[median saddle]

Kris to FLM and Pokpo to Atlanta

according to mykl

[drifting tulip]

mykl is lame

[torpid charm]

Who the hell is Mykl and why do I keep hearing about them now

[queen drift]

used to be a t2 player

not really great tho so iirc he stopped playing professionally and since then hes been doing OWL news

[drifting tulip]

mykl is a scum kid

sells leaks on patreon what a loser

mykl should stay in BR community

[sullen berry]

Just sign hoowoo

Him and colorhex in contenders Australia and North America the only New Zealand representative

[round obsidian]

🙏

if there is a god

pls make this happen

[long belfry]

He saw how much he will be payed

[round obsidian]

nah contenders players dont get payed much

[long belfry]

I want to see Dafran in Dallas

[round obsidian]

especially compared to what Dafran makes streaming

[long belfry]

And remember

He is still Dafran

[round obsidian]

there's no way dafran gets on an OWL team

contenders is definitely within reach for him

but he's too much of a risk for OWL teams to go for

if he has a couple successful seasons in Contenders then im sure OWL teams will reconsider but as of right now he'll never get signed to an OWL team

[long belfry]

If I were the owner of an underperforming team, I would pick him up

[round obsidian]

the problem is not performance

[long belfry]

And it will make fans happy

[round obsidian]

it's the risk that's involved with signing a personality like dafran

[long belfry]

Team performs

[round obsidian]

it's like a team signing xQc

[long belfry]

Fans are even happier

Everyone is happy

[round obsidian]

Dafran has been banned before for throwing, toxicity and bug abuse

there's a long road to redemption before you can get back in Blizzard and OWL's good books

[long belfry]

I dont think he would do that if he was given an offer he just cant turn down

[round obsidian]

ofc he would never do it again

but his past follows him

no one in the scene will just forget he bug abused on stream, or that he told his followers to queue snipe kephrii and throw

i agree he's served his time and it shouldn't affect his future but you have to face facts, it will

[long belfry]

It was not bug abuse if you have a stopwatch

Its the exact same time

[round obsidian]

it's the exact time only because of his connection and load speeds

it's still a bug exploit

[long belfry]

Its still not abuse

[round obsidian]

if you pull it off perfectly

it is definitely abuse

[long belfry]

He didnt abuse it

[round obsidian]

just because he didn't pull it off perfectly doesnt mean he didnt do it

just because you dont murder someone doesnt mean you didnt try to

he himself admitted to it and owned the whole thing

idk why people keep trying to defend him

im a huge dafran fan but even i dont have my head so far up his ass

[limber pine]

I don’t know if Blizzard would even approve such a signing

[long belfry]

Klaus left Isurus

Maybe signing for an NA contenders team?

[spring lintel]

Dafran going pro is the best esport news I have heard in a very long time

[pearl stratus]

He'll do well in contenders.

And its low tier enough he can still stream.

[long belfry]

Klaus left the team he was in

And he is a really good Tracer

[spring lintel]

I wonder what dafran will play?

[long belfry]

Torb

If torb becomes decent

And Tracer for sure

[north tendon]

what bug are we talking about?

[vestal mortar]

I hope if dafran comes back he starts off in contenders on an academy team so he can ease back into the pro lifestyle.

[sullen berry]

Uber made it onto this list of who knows what in November

[deft valley]

comparing play by play, panel hosts and interviewers in one category

[sullen berry]

it's ridonkulous

same with the 5% discount if you put your votes into the esports awards

[deft valley]

also smith and buckley as a team but Uber and Cristo are alone

the whole thing is one big thonk

[sullen berry]

Uber and Mr X has to be a competent pairing next year along with Achilios and Woolf

[deft valley]

are they moving to OWL too?

[sullen berry]

not yet, they've been really good from their handling of the owwc

[deft valley]

yeah they were
would be nice if they get the promotion

[sullen berry]

if contenders korea is the place for upcoming talent that could transfer to the OWL

imagine the casters who handle OW contenders Korea/Pacific

[pearl stratus]

I'm worried ZP will get stuck in Contenders because he's a good partner to coach new talent.

Look at Jakes first matches versus last matches for casting.

[sullen berry]

jake has been valid, and it took some work but he's caught on well

compare it to his first matches cast against hong kong

to NA contenders grand final

that was a four week gap where he formed a style that actually works more often than not

[pearl stratus]

It was molded mostly by ZP though, ZP brings him in and cuts him off properly and I worry they'll keep him in place to be like.. Casting Trainer.

[limber pine]

yup

Jake's being groomed by a fantastic teacher

[fresh turret]

Jake is just fucking great to listen to

I think he should pursue casting rather than playing if he doesn't start being a murder machine in OWL s2

or before that or smth

[pearl stratus]

I mean this is overall, if he grinds it out, a great meta for Jake. The Genji/Tracer dive wasn't.

[hidden vault]

The current meta should be great for jake

[worthy skiff]

https://twitter.com/OutlawsOW/status/1042194346660032524

Houston Outlaws (@OutlawsOW)

Please help us welcome @Danteh to the Outlaws!
We have acquired Danteh in a trade from the SF Shock for Smurf from @GGEAOfficial.
#UpTheAnte 🤘

Twitter

[limber pine]

wow

[pearl stratus]

Shock all mad

[balmy wolf]

korea > na

LoL Danteh got traded

Bs

[gaunt acorn]

was anyone still surprised

[queen drift]

Probably smartest pickup Houston could have gone for imo

Also do you think ark was released/traded? He’s been posting depressing stuff on Twitter

Who hurt ark

[hidden vault]

Not possible for NYXL to give up their best main support

Is Danteh better the smurf?

I wish they would trade Arhan off though

[gaunt acorn]

@queen drift i don't think so

but we'll see

would be odd to drop ark and make anamo their main support

i think we're gonna see boston implode soon

[hidden vault]

They may trade Anamo though

But I think he's great

Just like Janus but they dropped him too

[limber pine]

i don't think they should drop either of them

but who knows?

[queen drift]

Who 👏 hurt 👏 ark 👏

They switch Anamo / Ark based on shotcalling, there’s different players in the team who shotcall with anamo when he’s on iirc

But afaik it relied on Janus

So I think he might get released, anamo

[hidden vault]

Isn't sbb the one who short calls?

[queen drift]

You can look it up they have like a hierarchy

I believe Ark strat calls, SBB target calls and Janus did both when subbed in

[warped axle]

Yesssssssss

Danteh is exactly what Houston needs

[sullen berry]

We said that about Arhan

And while there's no doubt he will fit in their effective ult synergy

I can't wait to see how he fares in the first 2 stages

[warped axle]

LinkZR plays everything about the same level as Arhan, and more

While Danteh is definitely a straight upgrade on some important heroes like Sombra and Tracer

[long belfry]

The problem with them is that they could only go as far as Linkzr carried them

[ember jewel]

Arhan keeping his job

[warped axle]

He's not as limited as Jake either

[long belfry]

It was literally Linkzr and his 5 friends

Counter Linkzr

GG EZ

[warped axle]

Team Gigantti PepeHands

[long belfry]

Linkzr is really good

But he was the guy every strat revolved around

[warped axle]

Worked fine for Philly

[long belfry]

The other Texan team had the same issue

That's why when he left they improved

*when he took a break

And there came our savior Aero

[warped axle]

Effect leaving improved Dallas?

Do I have to remind you of the Dallas Orisa offense on Anubis?

[long belfry]

It didnt improve because of that

The problem was JokeJoke

He made EVERY SINGLE STRAT around Eff

If he popped off, they would win like Apex s1 finals

EZ 4 0

If they didnt...

"Rolled and smoked my doggies"

[warped axle]

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/tx/TXX0J4S5GJ051537282603293.jpg

They fixed it

[long belfry]

That group is...

[sullen berry]

Dallas fuel looking Italy

[long belfry]

I want my Tricolore

Not that London x Dallas thing

[gaunt acorn]

thank god

[long belfry]

Which is the red team?

Its the only one I dont recognize

[gaunt acorn]

poland

[long belfry]

Ok

Didnt know the countries of that group

I just recognized the colors

Except Italy

Why does it have to be like that?

Why not the Tricolore?

[gaunt acorn]

@long belfry because italy uses blue in most sports