I really hope he becomes a starter on another team
#esports-discussion
torpid charm
verbal roost
Does he play just genji?
quasi ginkgo
hidden vault
@queen drift well mistakes wasn't exactly suppose to be the flex in the 1st place
His pharah is good but not as good
And I'm not sure releasing FCTFCTN was a good choice either
So does releasing SDB
queen drift
FCTFCTN was fine to release imo
makes no difference
iirc hes a soldier bot who cant play soldier
paper crag
Effect did remove all Fuel references on his stream
other than that little section below the stream title
vagrant niche
how long ago was that?
paper crag
where it's like "playing: Overweatch, team: Dallas Fuel" kinda thing
idk
I just noticed it today. could have been today, could have been ages ago
I think he did have Fuel stuff on his stream though, although I may be completely wrong and he simply never had anything even when he was on Fuel
i can't believe mendo is still on Outlaws roster
are they actually planning on playing him? because otherwise it'd make no difference if he were to become an Outlaws-affiliated streamer
like Emongg is a streamer affiliated with Fusion but isn't on the Fusion roster
surreal lichen
All these pros teams kicking their players left & right giving me Xqc and Rascal flashback..
hidden vault
@queen drift he is a main tank
Yeah I would rather release useless Mendo
In my opinion FCTFCTN was the aggressive tank was good for dive especially when Muma is suited for defense
I mean a more slow play
queen drift
who am I getting fctfctn confused with then
he had fuel stuff on his stream for a long time
(effect)
its been off for at least a week
Last thing either Mendo or the Team said was that Mendo had no intention of playing or scrimming
So đ¤ˇ
hidden vault
I would release Arhan too tbh
grizzled trout
miros downfall is just sad
hidden vault
Did they get booted?
hidden vault
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
grizzled trout
but...
hidden vault
I can't see why miro
grizzled trout
miro did bad but still it just hurts
hidden vault
Wekeed I understand
grizzled trout
kuki didnt do that much better
they still had to sub in ryu for tank
so miro and kuki both had to be doing bad
hidden vault
Why do you even keep Xepher đ¤Ś
grizzled trout
miro may be doing bad now but at least he started the winston stuff
hidden vault
Well miro and kuki was supposed to be the defensive and offensive tank
HE STARTED THE WINSTIN STUFF
hidden vault
Well when fissure came in one of them was gg anyways
grizzled trout
yea
hidden vault
So you kick the agressive one for the agressive
grizzled trout
but kuki and xepher still staying just feels wierd but hey
it may be for the best
grizzled trout
xepher wasnt that bad
hidden vault
He wasn't but
grizzled trout
last time subbed for zunba he did ight
hidden vault
Gambler gido wekeed wasn't bad too
hidden vault
Hmm?
hidden vault
Original Lunatic Hai slowly dispersing
queen drift
Jehong still there
gaunt acorn
so is tobi, zunba
queen drift
Miro being dropped does hurt tho đŚ dude is so important to this games history
gaunt acorn
but the spirit of the old team is dead now
esca eviscerated it
miro finished the job
queen drift
I honestly hate how all the tweets from these teams seem so recycled
gaunt acorn
it's just PR
queen drift
I know it just feels so impersonal
plush trout
Once a <insert team name> always a <insert team name>
gaunt acorn
miro's accomplishments speak for themselves
obviously not in season 1 of owl but
godspeed mr monkey
queen drift
Who needs a main tank
queen drift
Idk he isnât as big name as Miro tho
gaunt acorn
still, miro isn't exactly apex s3 miro
right now
he needs to prove himself in this new era
contenders is probably his best bet
queen drift
Thatâs true. I just hope he gets a decent contenders team
gaunt acorn
unless one of the expansion teams wants to give him a chance
gaunt acorn
wekeed played better than xepher
queen drift
If they get Ado they wonât need wekeed
gaunt acorn
why didn't xepher get released
queen drift
đ¤ˇââď¸stability maybe
gaunt acorn
the only thing xepher is stable at is sucking
limber pine
oh snap
queen drift
Yeah but we donât know what he does for them bts
queen drift
B t s
queen drift
Him throwing is front and center
hidden vault
Well said and special mention to gido
(Lunatic hai is dead)
queen drift
Shit you got me
gaunt acorn
where do you think he practices his throwing
queen drift
My comp games 
gaunt acorn
at least we have fissure + zunba to look forward to
queen drift
Meh I donât like Fissure
queen drift
In game great. Love him, great main tank
gaunt acorn
zunba is the most hard-working dude in owl i swear
queen drift
Personality...
gaunt acorn
i just wanna see zunba succeed
queen drift
Idk EFFECT is damn hard working
gaunt acorn
they both work hard
queen drift
Sayaplayer / EFFECT / Zunba are all pretty hard grinders
gaunt acorn
similar situations, too
failing team but they keep trying their hardest
and take it personally
queen drift
Ngl I donât know much about Zunba, been an effect fan for years
gaunt acorn
effect to seoul would be cool but wouldn't happen
zunba is most handsome off-tank
best zarya
queen drift
No kariv
gaunt acorn
no
queen drift
kariv
hidden vault
No Geguri
queen drift
Haha
gaunt acorn
akm might stay
gaunt acorn
he likes working with unkoe a lot
unkoe said he plans to stay too
wizardhyeong isn't even the same role as jayne
queen drift
Ye ik
I still think itâd be poggers
But yeah Unkoe would probably stay, I just donât think itâs good for either aKm or Fuel to keep akm
Akm doesnât get playtime, when he does itâs.. not amazing
torn cape
Wonder if the dragons can finally put together a team that does something...
heavy sail
Damn
gaunt acorn
i think guangzhou will perform better than shanghai
torn cape
Especially when the bar has been set so high
verbal roost
When will they announce rosters? December?
torpid charm
The deadline to announce new team rosters is December 1st, they have to have a min. of 8 players
Thatâs with like new teams though, pre-existing teams can do whatever Iâm guessing
verbal roost
any teams
limber pine
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/93p5j4/overwatch_league_rosterpocalypse_2018_megathread/
Any player not extended after Sept 8th becomes a free agent on Sept 9th
the new teams have first pick of the free agents until Oct 7th
limber pine
Shanghai's looking for a reset
verbal roost
they're looking for p2w opportunities i bet
verbal roost
ok if that's what they said good luck đŽ
hidden vault
Two Way Players
For the 2019 Overwatch League season, teams and players may negotiate the right to designate the player as eligible to compete in Contenders on an affiliated team. Any player on the roster may agree to be eligible for Contenders play, but a maximum of four players may be designated as âtwo-wayâ players during each Overwatch League stage, and those players must be identified and submitted to the League Office prior to each stage.
gaunt acorn
yes, wasn't that confirmed over a month ago?
warped axle
Valiant announcements? đ¤
hidden vault
None so far
vagrant niche
Mayhem should be soon
they probably going to release Zuppeh
i think they will keep Tviq, Logix
maybe Saya too
everybody else, i don't know
i hope they keep manateen as well
he's decent
vagrant niche
"everybody else, i don't know"
torpid charm
They would be fools to drop Manneten and they would still be fools if they kept Zebbo
I also think it would but dumb to release Zuppeh
deep wagon
Cwoosh, Zebbo and Zuppeh seems very likely to be relased at the minimum
torpid charm
Saya could be a good trade offer but I donât have any ideas of who he could be traded for
paper crag
Oh okay
warped axle
Ado replacing Wekeed would be Poggers
hidden vault
Trade saya for munchkin?
hidden vault
Isn't munchkin the tracer main?
Unless you suggesting trading munchkin away
Wait how about saya to SHD? đ
long belfry
Diya is preety good as widow
And Munchkin was a meh Tracer
He was very underwhelming
hidden vault
Well Diya can flex to something else if saya widows
I don't think diya's widow is there with linzker carpe and saya tho
long belfry
Tru
Its not worth it for shd though
They should try and convince Leaf to come back
hidden vault
Who is leaf?
uneven timber
hidden vault
Anyways SHD should have picked up MY as a team not LGD
Anyways I'm glad that those who could possibly be picked via relation are kick
Should have been done from the start and it should not have even happened lol
long belfry
Leaf was a player in MY
He played an insane projectile
And he is Chinese
But he quit OW
I hope they can get him back
I think he streams PUBG now
sudden thicket
Fortnite makes lives hard for us to play...
long belfry
^
sudden thicket
Even pros have trouble...
torpid charm
Didnât a lot of the MY players go to PUBG or stop playing OW all together?
hidden vault
Because of the SHD scandal?
queen drift
There was corruption in the SHD committee, MY should have gotten in but because of money n shit LGD did. Not the players fault imo
surreal lichen
Agilities coming to Dallas would be great since Dallas donât have a good Genji looks at Akm and Heâs worked with Jayne too so bonus synergy
paper crag
didn't somebody break AKM's record in Genji?
i forget who it was though. it might have been Fleta
i think it was somebody pretty unexpected
vestal mortar
nimble dock
he will not play
warped axle
Let him go back to TF2 lol
limber pine
coach or something like GrimReality I suppose
magic zinc
Uber won talent of the year 
hidden osprey
hahaha, nice to see Flame keeping the "boys club" dream alive
what next, Clockwork gets to become a dedicated chef? 
queen drift
Still no Florida news
ember jewel
@long belfry GrimReality is assistant coach at LAV
paper crag
I'm still baffled by the fact that Mendo is still on the roster
has he been keeping up skill level-wise, and showing intent to play on OWL?
polar epoch
I still can't even win a game in silver
So people in esports amaze me
that's one reason I like watching it
I'm like omg that was so awesome
vestal mortar
Flame also tweeted that the Outlaws won't be freeing up any more slots on their roster but they have more announcements coming.
polar epoch
I'm so jealous tbh
stuck agate
wait what do they mean by content creator for mendo?
is he going to stream overwatch and/or houston vlogs or something?
queen drift
probably just stream
- have a youtube channel like xQc/Dafran/etc, hire editors to post stream highlights
promote outlaws on it
like Emongg for Philly
hidden osprey
Houston Out s
I find it funny how Flame is so reluctant to let go of his "friends"
copper solstice
@queen drift Im pretty sure r2der been the assistant coach since Feb.
queen drift
@copper solstice Really? That tweet was the first interaction I've seen
copper solstice
Yeah, because mineral is there coach still. but there will be more 
News this week, said the owner on twitter. and r2der was head coach i think for like the rest of season one because mineral was doing it for like quite a while and stress got to him. but he should be back in season 2. https://twitter.com/benspoont/status/1036323217047212032 @queen drift
Twitter
sullen berry
@vestal mortar the timing of your twitter post is uncanny
If clockwork had substance in the org, but unconfirmed
Mendo had to be confirmed as the mainstay content creator as it has been suggested for the past 6 months
copper solstice
It happens @queen drift
surreal lichen
Hm I was wondering what ânon-player roleâ for that clockwork guy meant.. If he ainât a player, coach or core team staff, what does he do then?
Is he the guy you say hi to when you visit their booth during their conventions but really you only just wanna take a selfie with your fav star players lul
queen drift
It means he isnât good enough for the roster but flame doesnât want to stop him
Drop him
hidden vault
@queen drift I'm pretty sure some players were involved. Some players and that specific coach had some agreement when they pull the players in. Why bring you as a players if you have no benefit to me as a coach. Some players from LGD help boosted U4's account so he could be coach. Why accused he was defend by players from LDG this inculdes undead altering and mg
hazy arrow
M E N D OMEGALUL
Do they really think he's a good content creator or because he's a meme?
Anyway, I hope we will finally get some news about Fuel 
red anvil
Esports: We want to be taken seriously
Also Esports: https://twitter.com/hastr0/status/1036710537219006464
deft valley
eh, certain personalities do that in just about any "serious" area
pretty sure mark cuban's primary objective is shitposting
might be a dallas thing 
red anvil
At least give proper trolling rather then just a outdated meme 
long belfry
So its confirmed that they jebaited us?
red anvil
Dallas? Naw, they are just slowpokes
polar epoch
I found this really cool YouTube channel that reviews high level overwatch comp games and owl matches
long belfry
Is it Jayne's channel?
pearl stratus
I wish Jake would release more analysis/review stuff.
polar epoch
@long belfry yes
pearl stratus
Now that he doesn't chew gum like a crack head I'd like to hear more.
Since his early stuff was really well done.
polar epoch
as a noob I am learning alot from him
long belfry
Jayne is very well known and respected
polar epoch
Who is he exactly?
long belfry
He is one of the coaches for Dallas Fuel
pearl stratus
Just some dude who slowly rotated his career into analysis/coaching.
deft valley
Jayne is mostly known for his streaming but he's also a pro coach
pearl stratus
He's not bad, at all.
deft valley
he coaches OWWC team Canada
long belfry
And head coach of Team Canada
polar epoch
Oh wow
deft valley
and is an assistant for Fuel now
pearl stratus
A little rudimentary sometimes, but it was a smart way to start doing that stuff.
long belfry
He isnt head coach of DF, because they have Aero
polar epoch
wow I wish I was this good
long belfry
And Aero is THE BEST coach
pearl stratus
His actual content will most likely drop off, slowly, especially moving into Season 2.
pearl stratus
Also thank god Mendo and Clock are finally done.
long belfry
Aero is an impressive coach
deft valley
they make everyone look like that
pearl stratus
Fusion v. Spitfire doesn't even have some of the more iconic plays in it.
long belfry
He literally turned a bottom 4 team into a stage playoff team that beat the champions
long belfry
And almost beat the favorite
pearl stratus
But Stage 4 was a strong Envy Meta.
long belfry
And they almost beat NYXL
pearl stratus
Look at their Brig usage alone, mid to upper 60%'s versus every other teams 30ish%.
It was a strong favorite to the style that EnvyUS has always played.
long belfry
Seagulls Dva was actually preety good
pearl stratus
Thats because Seagull is the smartest/mechanically best player that was on Fuel.
And he's retired.
So its a moot point.
Dallas without Seagull is very dependent on who they pick up in the off-season.
Because Mickie is a shitty D'va.
So if he has to go back to that role, Dallas is fucked.
pearl stratus
I like McGravy, I don't think McGravy will be OWL caliber ready for a while.
long belfry
And Mickie, Chips, Cocco and probably AKM should be 2 way players
hidden vault
And what about effect? Gone too?
pearl stratus
Cocco should be released for a better roster addition.
Cocco will never be impactful in OWL.
Ever.
Move him into a non-playing position, or release him.
long belfry
Cocco should go to the contenders team
hidden vault
Orisa meta in coming
pearl stratus
He's too old for contenders, get a better younger player you can mold.
People forget Cocco is close to 30.
long belfry
Its a shame since Cocco is a great Rein
hidden vault
Not anymore
pearl stratus
He's an okay Rein, he's not an aggressive Rein though.
long belfry
And every meta fucked Rein
polar epoch
Why is this comp called goats?
hidden vault
Isn't the current one more passive?
long belfry
Because of a Contenders Trials team
forest raven
Popularised by the team of the same name
long belfry
They "invented" that comp
pearl stratus
Current meta isn't really passive. Goats is actually a pretty aggressive comp, so is double sniper.
forest raven
They 3-0'd Fusion Uni twice with the comp
And then everyone else learned GOATS
And then they dropped out of open div
long belfry
Even OGE said that Cocco was teaching him how to play Rein
pearl stratus
Yeah so move him to a non-player role.
But I don't see any team ever picking up Cocco.
No one cares how good you were before.
If they did Seoul wouldn't have released Miro.
Who was the OG Winston.
hidden vault
GOATs is pretty easy countered by pharah mercy though
Isn't Cocco supposed to be their Orisa specialist?
I guess it would nvr come into play
pearl stratus
Orissa is way too niche a tank. We never really saw her on more than Junkertown and Temple.
Sometimes on Iliios-Well.
long belfry
Cocco used to be a Rein otp
pearl stratus
Not worth keeping a roster slot for that rare of an occurrence.
polar epoch
do you have to be Korean to play overwatch esports xD
pearl stratus
No, but it makes it easier because you have a culture that doesn't think its a stupid hobby and gives it some legitimacy.
Most of the world in terms of e-sports is still a generation or so behind in legitimacy.
hidden vault
What do you mean by rein otp?
polar epoch
yeah true I noticed this
pearl stratus
Otp = One Trick Pony.
polar epoch
especially where I live and my family all think it's a joke
pearl stratus
Cocco could only actually play Rein, he never (and still hasn't) moved over to being a useful Winston etc.
polar epoch
Constantly telling me to grow up, get a life etc
pearl stratus
I mean its not the worst of advice, chances of actually becoming a pro or well known enough to make it a full living are still very small realistically.
paper crag
So weâre getting like 6 new teams with season 1 OWL players being dropped left and right.
Do you guys think the majority of dropped players will find a new team, or is there a big enough talent pool in the Contenders that will fill the slots in the existing AND the new OWL teams?
Also, people can technically get signed straight into OWL from being a pubstar, bypassing Open division and Contenders, right?
long belfry
Its a shame
Its a shame because some people are actually talented and dont get noticed
hidden vault
That's unless we get a 4th main tank or another character, just like how Mickie got Brigitte and now he plays her well
polar epoch
Fusion is running 2 snipers 3 tank and a mercy
hidden vault
And yes that's what happened to Jjonak, he was a ladder pick
That's what the play offs has been
2 snipers 3 tanks and a mercy
sullen berry
TIL Faze Clan is in Season 2 of the OWL teams, can anyone confirm if last 2 minutes of this video is still relevant? https://youtu.be/txMxuWbDdPA
sullen berry
Beyond the talent, they have a chef
long belfry
They found EQO and Snillo who were literally known by no one
sullen berry
Meanwhile Dallas was doing what looked like zero in comparison other than coming into training room ad nauseum
polar epoch
I'm not good enough at the moment I'm completely new to the game
but I didn't necessarily mean I think I will ever be good enough
I meant they even say that if I even just watch it as a hobby
sullen berry
I made it a regular thing thanks to working a more laid back job at the time, now I'm just hooked with the help of VODs atm
copper solstice
Any mayhem news yet 
green stump
verbal roost
Where is chips going?
copper solstice
balmy wolf
jagged crater
rip chips my fav western ana player
gonna miss him
taimou and harryhook the only OG envy still actively playing
crude jewel
we can just assume Effect is playing actively next season
long belfry
Eff joined mid Apex
jagged crater
if that's the right way to say it
long belfry
They were with Mendo, Cocco, Chips, Hulk and Tviq in team IDDQD
jagged crater
that's pre envy
crude jewel
true
jagged crater
OG envy = roster when envy first signed
long belfry
Then, everyone but Mendo and Tviq got picked up by envy
jagged crater
which was talespin cocco chips internethulk taimou harryhook
long belfry
Og envy was not iddqd
crude jewel
I think dallas dodged a bullet by not picking up mendo or tviq
jagged crater
internethulk did not like mendo
crude jewel
well
jagged crater
that was the reason why he was kicked
internethulk saw mendo didnt have the motivation to be pro
and he was right
crude jewel
k
jagged crater
rip hulk
crude jewel
rip
jagged crater
i'll rename that OG "relevant" envy then
since the first actual envy was team hubris with coolmatt and esper (whatever happened to esper anyway)
when is runner coming out of military service
polar epoch
is anyone here a pro
polar epoch
what
polar epoch
is anyone here a pro
golden oyster
Probably not, but if you are looking for tips just google X team gives tips.
clear crane
recreate rogue! lol
queen drift
dooubt it.. AKM and Unkoe probably wont leave fuel
Soon wont leave valiant
I dont think Knoxxx plays ow anymore
and without those 3 you have no rogue
hidden vault
NiCO and KnOxXx are in Eagle Gaming
Then you have Winz still active but not anywhere
Though I would agree with Legacy they should recreate rogue
Dallas doesn't exactly need aKm though they probably need Unkoe
Valiant is Reliant on Soon
hidden vault
Paris Rogue
France Rogue
At this point I'm just delusional
But hey Unkoe gets to be with soon
limber pine
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/24579713/sources-overwatch-league-add-dc-hangzhou-china-teams
hidden vault
2 china teams??
clear crane
2 new ones?
surprising
den again everyone thinks china is shit cause of the Dragons lol
queen drift
So as of right now thereâs more teams in China than all of Europe
plush trout
Sooooooon
polar epoch
Jayne said talent doesn't exist it's all practice and anyone can do it as long as you keep trying
hidden vault
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tleft Overwatch League S2 Predictions: tright
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Atlantic Division:
- __Paris __
- Berlin
- Chicago
- Toronto
- Stockholm
- Washington DC
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Pacific Division: - Seattle
- Vancouver
- Beijing
- Sydney
- Phoenix
- Busan
Dray's list
Not too bad
gaunt acorn
i think i revised it since then
but yeah, that was before we got any info regarding expansion stuff
most notably the fact that 12 new teams was not gonna happen
limber pine
The new rumor is 8 instead of 6
Kinda wish they just announced teams already
Free agent deadline coming fast
plush trout
The part about traveling to different cities by 2020 is interesting. Curious to see how that is organized
hidden vault
I suppose they would wanna secure some airline deals
clear crane
or just get a private plane like most sports teams XD
queen drift
they're putting way too many cities in USA imo
like sure, i get it thats the main playerbase
and its easier for them to organise
but mexico and canada are still p big, and there's sooo many USA teams now ;-;
clear crane
I wonder if Valiant will make any moves
gaunt acorn
i mean.. there's gonna be 3 or 4 chinese teams now
verbal roost
Contenders too?
warped axle
I don't like these new rumors
Too many US teams
Too many Chinese teams
Not enough EU
Not enough Korea
Not enough SA
If DC gets a team I'm going to be so disappointed
torn cape
Yeah where are the kiwis and aussies?
We need to see that youtube dude mess around with weird strats
Muselk
Or the nonexistant africa server players omegalul
Or the nonexistant antarctica players
verbal roost
Doubt owl will be us vs China
torn cape
Id be surprised if china beats china
verbal roost
^
torn cape
Cant wait to see another 0-40
verbal roost
Please record all 40 games on your phone and email them to me thanks
torn cape
đ
Wonder if fissure can help make a difference to dynasty tho in all seriousness
Esp with coaching changes too
ruby pendant
Really investing in e-sports for China! It's a rising population, won't be surprised for them to add another team, after all U.S has many teams. Though it would be nice to have other territories to be supported.
queen drift
there just has to be money coming in from chinese orgs for this
theres no way theres that much demand for chinese teams
verbal roost
Itâs not based on demand
verbal roost
Chicago would make a good team
verbal roost
Chicago also almost got olympics I think
queen drift
when do we get kariv team
plush trout
More teams the better right now. Wherever they are. Its just a good look and a good sign for it being around for the long haul
A 6 team jump is a pretty big expansion for any league so thats a great thing
After 1 season i mean
Basically companies would be completely idiotic to not jump on the investment. Theyre well aware its a huge payday
plush trout
Dont really see an issue with adding more Chinese teams
As long as theyre not being chained to their PC for 10hrs a day cough0-40cough
though if they are that just means more Valiant wins so lulsowhat
ruby pendant
@plush trout lol
karmic grotto
Seeing more teams will let other players shine. I'd like to see more awesome gameplay
long belfry
SA has some talented and promising players
In OWWC 2017, in Argentina vs France, Klaus (Tracer player) could do well against Soon and he was even acused of aimhacking
balmy wolf
whats the requirements to join the overwatch esl thing?
dusky tinsel
having a buttload of money
Ooh, apparently the latest news is that rights have been bought for D.C. and Hangzhou, China
dusky tinsel
Rumour has it that the league is expanding to 20 teams instead of 18 for season 2. Trying to figure out how Atlantic and Pacific divisions are going to split, because as it stands:
Pacific Division Atlantic Division
Los Angeles Valiant London
Los Angeles Gladiators Paris
San Francisco Boston
Houston New York
Dallas Toronto
Seoul Philadelphia
Shanghai Florida
Guangzhou Washington, D.C.
Hangzhou Atlanta
? ?
which is 9-9
long belfry
We need at least 1 SA team
limber pine
any SA orgs have $35 - $60 million?
This OWWC stage will be their best opportunity to showcase their skill and make an OWL team
limber pine
I'll throw in $5
dusky tinsel
Brazil City Lucios confirmed
deft valley
Brazil City
warped axle
Brazil is my city
verbal roost
Sao Paulo Lucios đ
verbal roost
Reddit Recliners đŽ
With all these new teams, will there also be new Contenders teams?
somber yewBOT
W L MP MAP W-L-T
1 
New York Excelsior 34 6 40 126-43-4
2 
Los Angeles Valiant 27 13 40 100-64-7
3 
Boston Uprising 26 14 40 99-71-3
4 
Los Angeles Gladiators 25 15 40 96-72-3
5 
London Spitfire 24 16 40 102-69-3
6 
Philadelphia Fusion 24 16 40 93-80-2
7 
Houston Outlaws 22 18 40 94-77-2
8 
Seoul Dynasty 22 18 40 91-78-3
9 
San Francisco Shock 17 23 40 77-84-5
10 
Dallas Fuel 12 28 40 58-100-7
11 
Florida Mayhem 7 33 40 42-120-5
12 
Shanghai Dragons 0 40 40 21-141-2
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fast basin
Yes, they're atlantic
verbal roost
Hope they implement a draft đŽ
fast basin
and intelligence requires a brain
so i can't be intelligent
hmm
I had my brain removed from a DARE
verbal roost
why union?
fast basin
Confederacy vs The Union
FIGHT
That should be how the teams are split
Dallas, Houston, Florida LA, LA, SF
vs
NY, Philly, Boston, London, Seoul, Shanghai
verbal roost
it's already pacific/atlantic đŽ
wow 84 contenders teams
Are all esport leagues this unbalanced?
deft valley
in what possible way are the California teams âconfederacyâ
verbal roost
owl should have had a draft in place season 1. this is kind of behind the times and not very well thought out.
verbal roost
draft is long term and much more stable
as evidenced in other major league sports
they don't really represent the players that well tbh
limber pine
I completely disagree with that
drafts don't work in esports where organizations are long standing
plus when teams move to their cities
you're going to ask players to move to anywhere between china and London
possibly multiple times a year
verbal roost
do you have any particular cases where a draft system didn't work?
surreal lichen
League of legends lul
limber pine
are there any significant examples of drafts in esports?
torpid charm
Wowee
warped axle
That list is so disappointing
hidden vault
Paris Rogues 
copper solstice
worn falcon
vestal mortar
Toronto and Vancouver! YAAAS
green stump
Those are just the reported ones
@limber pine here's more for you
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/24579713/sources-overwatch-league-add-dc-hangzhou-china-teams
@limber pine. So DC is confirmed
limber pine
reeepost
tight zephyr
8 new expansion teams is alot
kind of overkill
i feel like they are giving out expansion teams now like skittles on halloween
verbal roost
they need the money
tight zephyr
i dunno about that
verbal roost
more competition
tight zephyr
too many chinese teams that no one can pronounce
ember jewel
The league format will be different
verbal roost
filler teams
ember jewel
I can pronounce all of those lol
verbal roost
^
ember jewel
And if I'm not mistaken, we'll have 10 teams on each division, now
verbal roost
sounds good
ember jewel
Because the chinese esports scene, including Overwatch, is very big
tight zephyr
they censor the internet
why expand in a place that censors its info
seems backwards imo
ember jewel
Why expand in a place that monitors all its info all the time?
tight zephyr
its like expanding to syria. no thank you
verbal roost
China paid for those teams
ember jewel
Yeah
tight zephyr
i understand they paid. clearly
verbal roost
Eventually owl hopes to expand in other areas so if you're rooting for a particular area that doesn't have a team please feel free to say
tight zephyr
my area already has a team. love my team
i'd like to see other locations then just more china teams. that is all im saying. 2 china teams seems like enough
verbal roost
which locations?
verbal roost
which cities?
tight zephyr
europe now has paris to go along with london. great. europe is pretty big tho. i imagine a team could work in germany
rio
mexico city
tokyo
berlin
those cities would create more interest then chinese cities
99% of all ow players probably have no idea where those chinese cities are located
verbal roost
japan won't enter unless they have a strong contender. berlin's probably the same. idk if rio and mexico city want to invest in esports.
verbal roost
japan's hands might be full with evo/etc.
tight zephyr
mexico city and rio......i dunno. just thinking aloud
verbal roost
maybe berlin though
verbal roost
russian
torpid charm
Fragi is from Finland and SDB is from Russia
But right now China is the one with a lot of money to invest so therefore theyâre gonna get the teams
verbal roost
show me da money!!!
long belfry
Hulk was from Germany
@tight zephyr I think Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires are more suitable for an OWL team
verbal roost
SĂŁo Paulo!
long belfry
My keyboard doesnt ket me do that a
verbal roost
I canât really pronounce it
verbal roost
Warning?
torpid charm
Bruh what
jagged crater
tviq the last white man
copper solstice
I mean itâs only HanzoMain, awesomeguy and saya? 
Still ripperino, wonder what they are going to sign next though
balmy wolf
Theyâre signing runaway
jagged crater
i can see logix in another OWL team, not sure about the others
balmy wolf
imo
jagged crater
tviq the lone white guy in a pink shirt, i can dig it
copper solstice
I donât know overwatch outside of the league
jagged crater
tviq gonna steal flowervin from runner
jagged crater
thanks esportsguy
copper solstice
I have mayhem on notification alert
Because the ceo liked my post yesterday
Who are the next teams most likely going to announce
jagged crater
what ist he max OWL players for season 2 ?
copper solstice
Also Zappis just posted his extended twitter thing
Heâs going to keep going
Looking for another team
copper solstice
i wonder if they do get the team of runaway, wonder if they keep mineral since of language issues?
ember jewel
I don't know
Mayhem is a pile of bad decisions, I don't think that it will change now
copper solstice
we will never forget there walk out game from season 1
soft jetty
where do we all think runaway and xl2 are headed this offseason?
ember jewel
It's hard to know
I mean, Runaway is not, they're gonna get picked up, maybe by Mayhem, but most probably by the expansion teams
XL2 will probably be broke down, because almost every member of the roster would be great at OWL
Cloneman evolved greatly, performing at the same level and sometimes better than T1Zi
Nenne is a must pick, dude's a beast
T1Zi and Whooyal have been fun to watch on Contenders, but they obviously belong on OWL
dusky tinsel
@limber pine I saw, interesting locales
ember jewel
Adam and Goliath make for a very good support duo
dusky tinsel
Cloneman16 for Paris pls
ember jewel
and Mangachu is very good as well
I think that it might actually happen
Although EU have very good Rein players
None of the Rein gods look as good on Winston as guys like Beasthalo and Clone
And Clone is a Rein god himself, so, no reason to choose a guy like Fusions or lhcloudy instead of him
dusty surge
So, given how many teams have dropped their large parts of, if not the entire roster, how many of the teams are now Koreans?
limber pine
I think Florida is a forgone certainty at this point
Shanghai is likely shunned by a majority of chinese players, so they are possibly all/most Korean
beside Runaway, are there any other full KR teams that can get picked up
long belfry
Maneten amd Logix were the decent players in FL
queen drift
@limber pine kongdoo/ runaway / x6 ?
warped axle
RIP Misfits
spiral viper
Ayyy my school just started an overwatch team and Iâve been recruited so thatâs dope đ¤
queen drift
Congrats
I donât see why they wouldnât pick up XL2 in its entirety?
Rather than splitting them up
XL2 with wisardhyeong
green stump
Ben Spoont (@benspoont) Tweeted:
A little insight into todayâs news which will shape the future of @FLMayhem roster. For the month of August we ran trials in NA/EU/KR with over 50 players including every single S1 Mayhem player. No job was safe and everyone competed. https://twitter.com/benspoont/status/1037436133888671745?s=17
Twitter
hidden osprey
doesn't help they had a 6 (or 7?) man roster for the most of the season
queen drift
Tbf Imo saya was the only decent player on Mayhem
Saya is insane
Iâm more surprised he didnât leave and try join a better team, he probably could. Maybe heâs happy with who theyâre gonna sigh
Sign
jagged crater
first non-korean team where at
jagged crater
i forgot arhan was in outlaws LOL
copper solstice
i wonder if they are keeping the same people besides fctfctn
queen drift
Probably wonât release anymore
verbal roost
@spiral viper which school?
queen drift
Looks like every team has been releasing players in one go
jagged crater
that's interesting considering better teams are releasing more players than outlaws has
coarse yoke
bruh I need help with something
jagged crater
i guess they believe in synergy
queen drift
Outlaws has always been very anti-signing or releasing though
copper solstice
im pretty sure theres going to put one or two more out
or in
since they released fctfcn
jagged crater
fct feelsbad đŚ
queen drift
Isnât Arhan the only player theyâve signed? And Jake had to learn tracer bc they didnât want to sign one
jagged crater
at least he got to play a couple games
jagged crater
when is valiant announcing?
queen drift
Ahh forgot
jagged crater
they signed some players that never played (or very rarely)
copper solstice
you mean alot of them
jagged crater
isnt season 2 max of 9 OWL only players
queen drift
Valiant roster was kinda a mess
jagged crater
the others are like "mix" contenders/OWL
copper solstice
i think most of the valiant is more situational players anyways 
queen drift
Like London they picked up a lot of players and fucked around till they found a roster that works
copper solstice
but in the end atleast they unsigned the ones who were benched
copper solstice
now they have a new coach
queen drift
Did they let go the finals coach?
copper solstice
i just wonder how bostons team is going to go next year
spiral viper
@verbal roost some high school lol
hidden osprey
I think OWL are saying each team HAS to have a minimum number of players on the roster for the next season
at least that's what I recall reading a while back
jagged crater
for season 2
hidden osprey
I don't think its 6 minimum
jagged crater
verbal roost
Following October 7, 2018, all remaining free agents are free to negotiate with any team in the League. Teams are expected to have signed a minimum of eight members by early December 2018, but have until early 2019 to build and change their roster to the maximum size.[6]
yup
hidden osprey
so 8 min, max 12
jagged crater
and x4 max designated two-way players
that can play in OWL and contenders
which will be interesting
hidden osprey
I'm wondering if any teams will make use of two way players
seems like a scheduling nightmare if I'm honest
jagged crater
we already know that cuz they still have tviq!
ruby pendant
Wow, Florida almost cleared out their roster! No job security!!
queen drift
tbh esports has never/will never have very strong job security
ruby pendant
Hopefully, they will improve their experience a bit or help them find new opportunities as e-sports grows in popularity. It's not like NBA where at the minimum yearly salary is around 500k. Overwatch league players minimum salary is around 10x less than that.
balmy wolf
sports in general dont have job security
verbal roost
Money > security
balmy wolf
and owl has neither lmao
verbal roost
$150,000 is good
balmy wolf
thats a peak
verbal roost
plus one day all of those mouse/keyboard endorsements will pay off :p
balmy wolf
go to 0:30
you dont make a lot of money playing in OWL
youre lucky to make an income in contenders
playing collegiate and open division opened my eyes to how little you actually make if youre not on an academy team
verbal roost
$50,000 isn't bad
balmy wolf
its not good either
verbal roost
not worth complaining about
so don't really have sympathy for crying owl players đŽ
or streamers that monetize off complaints
balmy wolf
if you really wanna sit behind a screen and play video games 8 hours a day for 5 days a week, and then stream on top of that for several hours playing the same monotonous game and barely get paid above a livable wage
go for it
theres a reason so many are leaving
verbal roost
good for them. this isn't worth doing for very long
balmy wolf
look at seagull
40 lbs heftier and just hated it
if thats good for you
you need to reevaluate what you consider good
verbal roost
breathing/sleeping issues
bitter phoenix
50k a year isn't bad for people under 25
verbal roost
i meant good for them leaving.
balmy wolf
oh ok
green stump
@balmy wolf well.. You have to consider that fuel was an absolute mess...
balmy wolf
theyre all messes except for like 3
bitter phoenix
in my area 50k if upper middle class.
green stump
Yeah but fuel was one of the worst
balmy wolf
outlaws, exelsior, and valiant were the only ones i didnt hear complaints from
they lived in high price areas
bitter phoenix
Is*
balmy wolf
LA and such, expesnive housing
if they lived in like, Houston texas then thats a good ass wage
bitter phoenix
I thought they had housing paid for
balmy wolf
did they?
bitter phoenix
I make a little over 100k a year and I'm considered rich here lol
balmy wolf
bc thats a very deep investment
green stump
Plus we still need to wait to see how the OWL improves
balmy wolf
well over a grand a month per player
bitter phoenix
But broke in my home town
verbal roost
$50,000 in most states is not that bad
Not even going to mention other countries costs of living
green stump
Standard pay for a lot of people is around 40k per year
balmy wolf
and a very small majority hate it
verbal roost
well no a job you hate isn't really ever worth it
green stump
.... You'll most likely never gave a job you'll enjoy going to day after day...
Er get a job
bitter phoenix
I love my job hate the people
green stump
It's immature to think that you should get a job you like.. Sometimes you need to work shit jobs that pay well to have a comfortable life
verbal roost
LA's not that expensive for group housing
bitter phoenix
You are never too good for a job.
Once people figure that out it becomes easier
Like I work in a field I didn't even go to school for
glass gyro
Well in my opinion, it's better to have a job you enjoy but doesn't pay much, rather than have a job you hate but pays well
Shouldn't you be comfortable at a place you'll be for ages?
bitter phoenix
No the best advice I can give you younger people is to work a higher paying job you hate to get out of debt and then move to a dream job
glass gyro
That sounds fair
bitter phoenix
Like I'm 29 with no debt and make over 100k a year
Invest in some good mutual funds
By 40 I'll be close to a net worth of a millionaire and I'll probably keep working till I'm 50
But this is off topic
green stump
Exactly.. for OWL, if it really really takes off in season 2, expands more into regionalized, more and more sponsor... That salary will go up (especially if colleges get more involved)
bitter phoenix
Google baby steps if you are serious about setting some financial goals.
Yeah I hope so. Because cod players start at 100k just being in the ladder
green stump
@bitter phoenix there's all sponsor money
queen drift
Living in the UK 50k is insane, I was so confused why anyone would leave or complain about the wages. Then I saw how much the cost of living in LA is
bitter phoenix
No its the company paying upfront
At least my source tells me that. He plays for nv
verbal roost
cost of living in LA is only expensive if you don't know what you're doing though
green stump
@bitter phoenix the company gets money from the sponsors to put their branding on the players
queen drift
Itâs expensive regardless when compared to most places on earth
verbal roost
Probably
queen drift
50k here is well above livable wage, youâd be pretty damn well off at 50k from 1 job
In la itâs just above locale ?
Lovable
Lucile
Fuck me
Live able
verbal roost
Probably if you're soloing LA
green stump
If OWL ended up getting... At minimum..30+ teams.. Would start seeing owl West and owl east.. Then after that, let's go...40+ teams, you'll get West, Central, east... Which is where you want owl to be if you want the players to start getting payed mucho bucks
verbal roost
Soloing anywhere is expensive
bitter phoenix
Once esports gets bigger players might get jot with taxes like NFL players get hit with just to play
Hit*
gaunt acorn
@hidden vault hey looks like my vancouver thing panned out
mint nimbus
Any way to get match notifications for OWWC?
crude jewel
@mint nimbus They have a schedule online
hidden vault
@gaunt acorn has there been any Vancouver announcements? Pardon me if I'm wrong
crude jewel
You can just make your own alarms
hidden vault
Oh wait there is but where's the announcement 