lmao
that heart
#esports-discussion
candid cedar
nova wadi
hidden osprey
wide herald
It was all planned 😏
wide herald
The discount widow for the real widow god 🤔
drowsy fulcrum
Is this just Valiant smh
wide herald
Lol the valiants are the whole pacific
nova wadi
And one of the gladiators
candid cedar
is bastion glitching?
nova wadi
yes
candid cedar
oof
nova wadi
letter number
nova wadi
then
nothing
people already said on reddit they should give a 100 tokens refund
idk just because of those 6 skins i might get it now. cause its actually profit now
hidden osprey
are you talking about the AAP?
vestal mortar
Nooo now I'm crying
candid cedar
hidden osprey
Mickie <3
candid cedar
MICKIEEE
magic zinc
Even now he smiles 
candid cedar
damn it
someone's chopping onions
hidden osprey
:(
magic zinc
Nooo Mickie
candid cedar
mickie deserved it
magic zinc
What a speech 
drowsy fulcrum
Big F tbh
drowsy fulcrum
Mickie
vestal mortar
😭
drowsy fulcrum
"if I'm sad, people who watch me will be sad. And i don't want people to be sad"
Words to live by
nova wadi
magic zinc
:(
candid cedar
lmao mickie
hidden osprey
timid hornet
No need for healers if the entire enemy is dead
nova wadi
what is it with those bits sharing with the chat
hidden osprey
all bits are going to child's play charity
hidden osprey
time to cheer some bits
hahaha
this is literally like QP with the soldier healing the team
jagged crater
wait what happeend
timid hornet
Wtf... Jacksonville
hidden osprey
wow
rapid bobcat
WARNING SOUNDS ARE HORRIFYING. My national news app (Ad.nl) put this on the article. https://twitter.com/Ninkat_/status/1033778084166729728
solar trout
Sore loser taking video games far too seriously
:/
No need to harm others just because you suck
rapid bobcat
There's no visual, only audio during the shooting
I will delete the message if mods tell me to
rapid bobcat
Wait really
rapid bobcat
Oh fuck indeed
candid cedar
damn
timid hornet
Rigged
rain garden
Genji deflect is make no Sense .-.
timid hornet
Pacific threw
drowsy fulcrum
PAAA
jagged crater
6 supports LOL
magic zinc
JJonak threw point A 
limpid estuary
Sym isnt good, but this repositioning is nice
magic zinc
Its nice utility but doesnt justify running the character unlike Mercy's Res
limpid estuary
Yeah
magic zinc
And Mercy has like 10 other things going for her whereas Sym has uhhhh... a decent right-click?
limpid estuary
You dont replace a healer with her
magic zinc
JJonak's Ana is so nice to watch
limpid estuary
She does enough damage now to fill dps.
Its just other DPS are better
Because you get teleports... Or you get burst damage
Flankers and Snipers outweigh anything most heroes can put out
magic zinc
No need to teleport if you can one-shot the enemy from anywhere
magic zinc
GG 
nova wadi
GG
drowsy fulcrum
goldenboy has such a way with words
magic zinc
For the emotes kids 
limpid estuary
Huh... Did OWL and Contenders kill all other Overwatch tournaments?
limpid estuary
Like, theres none between now and Blizzcon either?
candid cedar
yup
magic zinc
There's a couple popping up now but I dont think they're aimed at pros even
candid cedar
well
there's the overwatch world cup
limpid estuary
Nice.
magic zinc
Yeah world cup groups cover us till Blizzcon
And by then its only 2 months till OWL
So not all bad
candid cedar
that's true
i'm personally excited that atlanta got a team
because im from atlanta lol
magic zinc
Fissure Ronaldo
candid cedar
sidethrow lul
hidden osprey
😭
seeing all the casters and the analysts together was so heartwarming
one big happy family
ruby pendant
Wonder if Overwatch League/ World Cup will change their security based on what happened at EA's gaming tournament? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jacksonville-landing-shooting-madden-nfl-19-tournament-florida-latest-updates-a8509186.html
jagged crater
winnable
fiery reef
Stronger security couldn't hurt.. though its a bit annoying for general patrons
tawny sigil
who ever said they dont already have it
considering this is america its not a problem of If but a problem of When
they could have already prevented one and we wouldn't even know about it
fair belfry
@tawny sigil you couldnt be more true here. its only a matter of when these days
but yeah they definitely should up the security in case of an event like the one in Jacksonville
its scary to think that this is the reality of the world now. people express their anger through the pain of others. with guns. and they don't give a f**k
plush trout
At a minimum metal detectors/wands and bag checks
For any large event in the US. Granted ppl can get things through but it minimizes the chances
tawny sigil
do they have anything? i know some people here went there... whats the verdict on that?
they'd be fucking stupid not to have any
plush trout
Yeah because at least when you have solid checking at the doors...when incidents happen inside...you have peace of mind as security that nothing more than fists will get thrown
But that relies heavily on having the right equipment to check at doors...and ppl who arent moron doing the checks at doors
tawny sigil
it was seriously on my mind the entire season... "hopefully i wont get to witness that live"
balmy wolf
Or America could just get rid of the right to bare arms like all the smart countries
limber pine
Dallas said there'd be some roster announcements this week
i wouldn't be surprised to see a complete roster blow up
limber pine
Great doesn't mean they'll stay
Taimou, Harry, OGE
Everybody else is up in the air for me
fast basin
@balmy wolf You can't exactly repeal a basic amendment like that... Sort of like how no states can secede, EVEN TEXAS, from the Union.
it's eternal
mint turtle
Btw guys, he went out to his car to grab the gun, security cant be blamed he shot from outside in
pallid dirge
"Or America could just get rid of the right to bare arms like all the smart countries"
Yeah, like Switzerland!
wait.. switzerland has guns, then maybe like France!
wait.. france has guns
norway? Austira? Ukraine? Iceland? Finland? damn, they all have guns.
Perhaps the underlying problem is the media culture surrounding shootings, and problems with mental healthcare and education. 🤔
also I'm not a US citizen, I don't like guns. I do think America lets you get guns too easily. (some states more than others) But to blame the problems solely on the guns is shortsighted.
gaunt acorn
@tawny sigil @mint turtle @pallid dirge @fast basin this is a channel for discussing overwatch esports
please don't stray off-topic like that
mint turtle
dire cedar
Do we know how much roughly the coaches make in OWL?
drifting bone
sand pond
just to respond to some of the comments from yesterday, I've been to a few OWL games at the arena and they do metal detectors and bag inspections. That said, my girlfriend and I were able to sneak in a party-sized bag of dorritos under her sweater that she had in her bag, so perhaps some more thorough bag inspection might be in order
fiery reef
So how long until the next year starts? Couple months im guessing?
pale juniper
NYXL IS BEST TEAM FITE ME
pale juniper
fathom apex
torpid charm
Philly 4ever 
ruby pendant
@pale juniper London says hi!
pale juniper
k
gaunt acorn
sullen berry
@deft valley paris waiting to jump on general spitfire and give em the hard "bonjour!" 🇫🇷
deft valley
and then Atlanta with a "howdy y'all"
sullen berry
Guangzhou when they walk past shanghai "I'm going to throw a rock in this one"
snow ember
Shanghai is the best owl team
rough basin
yes
tight vault
irish team for OWL 😢
sullen berry
Another Seoul Team 
vestal mortar
Ireland will not get an OWL team, esports are not very popular here and we can't even get high enough on the ranked leaderboard to get into the world cup. smh
limber pine
vestal mortar
OOOH!
I really miss seeing my Lunatic Hai boys doing well, hopefully Dynasty will be back in business next season with these moves.
warped axle
Imagine if Seoul picked up Rascal
Fleta, Rascal, RJH, Tobi, Fissure, Zunba
Damn that team would be great
balmy wolf
Would be an exiting combination for sure.
tight vault
what if seoul did good
sand dirge
balmy wolf
Does anyone think xqc will join the San Francisco shock?
timber wedge
long belfry
He could join LAG if he does great in OWWC
Surefour could tell the team to at least consider him
If I was a team owner and one of my team's best players told me to consider it, I would
verbal roost
Maybe as 2nd string
paper crag
so is seagull completely out of Fuel, or is he Fuel affiliated streamer like Emongg is with Fusion?
paper crag
he's streaming now but still has the Fuel overlay
verbal roost
Is emongg going to play for fusion?
paper crag
also, is mendo still a player on outlaws
no, emongg specifically said he's not playing for fusion
long belfry
Thx whoever deleted it
paper crag
he's a Fusion-affiliated streamer though
verbal roost
So he might possibly play for them? Or coach?
paper crag
yeah I was curious because seagull is streaming now with Fuel logo overlay
paper crag
i mean, there's no such thing as never when it comes to people going to teams etc
but i do remember emongg saying he just wants to focus on streaming
verbal roost
Did pacific win any of the events?
long belfry
I think they won Casters vs analysts
verbal roost
Oh ok ty
split steeple
Hey im starting a team and scouting for players. How should i go about that?
i want people level 100 and under on PC
verbal roost
Post on forums
Maybe battletnet and reddit
Battlenet *
You might get smurf accounts though
gaunt acorn
@split steeple try #lf-players-na
balmy wolf
ogn apex > owl
deft valley
I've heard people saying the seagull stream dropped them
might've not removed them from drop table
tawny sigil
spreading themselves way too thin with all those ways to get stuff
but ain't my problem considering im the kind of guy that doesnt even know how to spray and it takes me 20 second to figure out how to send an emote everytime.... also 900 unopened loot boxes
sullen berry
Seagull with the fat 100k viewership
can't remember what he said about subscribers
and donations but it was good
karmic grotto
sullen berry
that's what I'd like to know
the drops do come in if you have linked your blizzard/battle.net account watch the active streamer, btw
gaunt acorn
@sullen berry yes
@karmic grotto are you sure?
i didn't get any drop notifications but i have all the d.va sprays in my hero gallery
from watching seagull all day
mint turtle
I didn't check, I thought I didn't get them
limber pine
The drops can take a bit to show up
pearl stratus
For anyone missing their pros - Carpe is streaming 6v6 pugs right now. It's pretty fun, like the mystery hero games kind of.
torpid charm
https://twitter.com/seouldynasty/status/1034611889022459904?s=21 did anyone share this in here yet?
vapid hazel
i have the worst internet in the history of internet
verbal roost
1200bps worst?
limber pine
Some manager’s
balmy wolf
teams were announced around this time of year last year
will that happen this year too
gaunt acorn
@balmy wolf yes
and the sf shock twitter account was repurposed from an old hearthstone team, i believe
so it wasn't originally the sf shock twitter
hence the join date
that's also why the sf shock have a disproportionate amount of twitter followers
torpid charm
That makes a lot of sense
dense crescent
serious question: is there a final date teams have to report their official roster?
torpid charm
I think November
I’ll check
All teams have to have at least 8 contracted players on their roster by December 1st
dense crescent
okay
sullen berry
this is due to preseason, but if it went down like the inaugural one
the teams whose visas aren't approved will make it to the season playoffs
frozen vortex
interested to see the players being picked up from contenders
sullen berry
there's a handful
I want gods
I want the resurrection of rascal's former glory near the end of the regular season (one can hope)
but amongst the free agents, there is not many I can think of
off the top of my head anyway
torpid charm
I want Rascal back in the league too
sullen berry
his contenders game is holding up just fine, but his performance is more or less the same as it was in the league
sullen berry
if you have too much free time waiting for the world cup to resume, here's what you missed in the last 24 hours
sullen berry
POV of unofficial talent takedown rematch (when reinforce joins lobby), pretty sure multitwitch doesn't work on VODs
bren @ 01:31:37 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/303502425
soembie @ 00:32:57 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/303527920
mattmrx @ 01:23:33 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/303508321
montecristo @ 00:24:57 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/303531195
limpid estuary
Fun fact, only 3 players played exactly 1 hero in all of OWL
limber pine
That is a fun fact
limpid estuary
Snow on Mercy
FCTFCTN on Winston
IDDQD on Widowmaker
limber pine
rip snow
sullen berry
the curious case of fctfctn
torpid charm
Only 3 players? I imagined like 5 at the most but that is a fun fact
unborn portal
So we have some salary stats for players but what about managers and coaches?
sullen berry
He's not revealing anything about what he will do next year, not even to shanghai
The stage performance shows he can be something else entirely
lyric pivot
Fissure joins the team and people already leaving lol..
the uptight prick is just as fake as muma
magic jetty
forest girder
blissful vigil
My team is looking for a good league to play in dm me
limber pine
@blissful vigil check #tournaments
warped axle
Rosters removals are the opposite of what I want to hear about
I want trade and signing information!!!
limber pine
i like all roster information
but yeah, bench players on non-playoff teams are meh in the grand scheme of things
@warped axle here ya go (kinda): https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1035506522925801472
warped axle
Also Team Seven?
They know there are at least 8 better teams in KR contenders right?
They didn't even make it out of groups
sullen berry
yeah but which of those had the more negotiable offers to participate in the OWL
sullen berry
you can't pretend LW Blue were just NYXL overnight not least without a jump in sbb's cut
long belfry
He was one of the better main supps
sullen berry
gambler is like zappis
huge potential
but it never delivered on stage where it counted
hidden osprey
didn't he join Seoul mid-way through the season?
pearl stratus
I'm hoping goats maintains a bit into Season 2, watching the pro-pugs fool around with it is actually pretty exciting OW. Though it will somewhat minimalize some DPS players, but fuck em.
limber pine
tawny sigil
more money else where for him probably
jagged crater
opportunity to be head coach elsewhere is prob better than staying assistant coach
or nyxl did not believe in da database after their playoff run
vestal mortar
🕯
torpid charm
F
pearl stratus
Kalios is surprising - he did a good job filling in when Gamsu needed a break. Having back up tanks is relatively huge.
The supports are whatever, you don't need 5.
jagged crater
they lost their resident memer avast
pearl stratus
Best quote from Gambler's stream about leaving OWL:
each team had a waiting area with snack bars, ramen, etc, and Gambler once saw Seagull in there and he looked so nice like a teddy bear.
torpid charm
How sweet
rigid laurel
lol
deft valley
Kalios was slightly surprising tbh
torpid charm
What
hidden osprey
limber pine
LATE
limber pine
hidden osprey
no one mentioned it here though
not sure how many people also read that channel too
surprised about iRemiix, seems like a bit of a sting to release him when they had the dispute with Fissure
limber pine
not sure if you'd believe HaloofThoughts, but this is the rumor: https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1035654966529155072
hidden osprey
I think Silkthread wanted to be a starter on a team
long belfry
Silk was their flex
limber pine
Hydration is their flex
long belfry
Hydration is projectile only
warped axle
Asher probably left on his own terms
I just want to know what's going on with Void
Should he stay or should he go now?
pearl stratus
Asher only worked well with Fissure, not with iRemix. That makes sense as a release.
They'll announce Panker moving up from Contenders within the next few days probably.
Who will be replacing a released iRemix.
hidden osprey
Seems like Reinforce is hinting at a trade between DF and LAG
wonder who it could be, or if it's a 
pearl stratus
It's weird either way, there's no great trades to make out of Dallas tbh.
It's not like they'll try and pick up Cocco lmfao
Ideally you're not going to try and break up Shaz and Goose either.
So an Unkoe mix is out of the question.
hidden osprey
Cocco will probably retire, or go into a coaching role
pearl stratus
Maybe you try and pick up OGE and Effect?
hidden osprey
He's almost 30 now
hidden osprey
that would be one hell of a DPS duo
pearl stratus
Trio, since you still have hydration.
Effect, Surefour and Hydration would be a solid dps core.
long belfry
Cocco isnt that bad
pearl stratus
He's not bad, but he's also not great. And his passive nature doesn't work with any of the current paces of the game.
hidden osprey
He's not a bad player per se, but his skill hasn't matched his counterparts
pearl stratus
Making him a not useful pick up for most teams.
long belfry
OGE said that Cocco's Rein is better than his
pearl stratus
Mechanically that wouldn't be surprising.
But playstyle wise I would be willing to bet it doesn't mesh into most teams.
Except for like..
London and Houston.
Both of whom tend to prefer slow play.
hidden osprey
Reminder: Cocco was the one who played Orisa on attack Numbani...
long belfry
I said Rein
pearl stratus
There's nothing wrong with Cocco, there's just better pick ups in a lot of other places.
Legion has first access to Panker from the Contenders team.
And as a coach I'd rather have him.
long belfry
Reminder: Cocco was the first great Rein
hidden osprey
yes, but that doesn't mean he's a great Rein player today
hidden osprey
OWL is pushing players into new levels of skill
Some players are keeping up, others aren't
pearl stratus
Shadowburn was also the OG Genji.
Didn't stop him from bench riding for three stages.
long belfry
I still think he may fit as a specialist
hidden osprey
It's why KR teams now have some serious competition
pearl stratus
He may, but probably won't. There's just better options to pick up from Contenders.
hidden osprey
yup, the fact that he's had very little stage playtime also diminishes his value significantly
pearl stratus
Dallas will probably try and bump up McGravy, LAG will bring up Panker.
hidden osprey
teams can't see how great he is if he hasn't played on stage for much
pearl stratus
Panker also has immersion with mixed teams, which LAG tends to run. In terms of the cultural mix.
He was on Toronto ESports for what... 5-6 months before moving to Legion?
Wait my timeline may be off, I forgot when Toronto E-sports did their stupid little collapse thing.
hidden osprey
Toronto E-sports 
what's surprising me is leakboy hasn't had any leaks this time around
limber pine
Slasher busy with Fortnite esports
hidden osprey
OMEGALUL
pearl stratus
Wasn't their first weekend a gigantic flop?
limber pine
The first major has terrible connection issues
pearl stratus
Like.. so bad that they cancelled it?
limber pine
The second was won by a suspected hacker
pearl stratus
Also aren't they getting outviewed by some dudes Friday night tourney stream.
limber pine
i mean
pearl stratus
Not Ninja, btw.
limber pine
they get carried hard by Ninja
they get carried by streamers
in general
if they aren't participating, nobody watches
pearl stratus
Also they got destroyed by PubGs tourney.
Fortnite is a great stream game. I don't see it going much beyond that.
Well they only invested $100 mill at least.
final river
Players are leaving orgs left and right
grizzled trout
sand pond
gotta make room for new blood
sand pond
I'm more scared of trades than cuts
I feel like too many trades after only 1 season and teams will start to lose their identity
sand pond
very curious to see wtf happens with dragons next season
especially with another chinese team entering
warped axle
Keep Diya
sand pond
clone diya
warped axle
change everything else
sand pond
i like geguri. She's not omega top tier tank but I think she had to deal with a terrible support line
I'd be curious to see what she could do with a stronger pair of supports
warped axle
Apparently on the LAG discord they mentioned that no one else is being traded or released...
That makes this tweet more confusing
Twitter
compact helm
lean zenith
Oof
sand pond
I'm very excited to see LAG vs. Seoul be the new LAG vs. London
the continued drama of the Fissure trades
sand pond
yeah i don't know. He didn't see much play in the latter half of the season but that was because they already had hydration/surefour/silkthread
but now they also cut silkthread
maybe trying to unify on language barrier issues
although I guess they still have Void, huh?
sand pond
yeah, that's the real question
i imagine they have some new drafts that they just haven't announced yet
hidden vault
I suppose they aren't good enough
sand pond
*drafts or trades
hidden vault
They have no main tank now
sand pond
oh wait, they also had that open tryouts announcement, didn't they?
hanging your main tank position on open tryouts feels like a risky gamble
paper crag
any announcements from SHD yet?
magic jewel
maybe janus to LAG?
warped axle
Janus has great English so he'll probably be worth a lot
I'm expecting Philly/Valiant to announce roster drops soon
Dayfly/Joemeister, with a small chance of Shadowburn leaving
I could imagine Valiant's entire sister team being dropped
paper crag
silkthread seems like he gets forever B-teamed
he saw some games as a starter in stage 1, right?
early on
oak marsh
I am currently looking for the best players I can find and become the best team we can be pls dm me on this matter and if you have any vods pls send those thank you for your time
sullen berry
@warped axle i have a hunch that void and janus might make a real sick tank combo without fissure
plush trout
Silk did play early on and he seemed to help them idk
dusky tinsel
I'm probably late to the news but xQc perm banned from LoL isn't much of a surprise to me
hidden vault
Well I'm gonna remind you this is Overwatch Esports
I think Silk would make a great Genji as he did before in LAV, but Agilities was better so they chose him
Plus Genji isn't in meta so sad for him
I have a feeling Janus is gonna be another Fissure goes to a lesser team and bring them up
long belfry
Janus was the carry in stage 4 playoffs against Fuel
hidden vault
Didn't Janus come from LW blue like the rest? Why kick him?
I guess he doesn't want to forever feel overshadowed by Mano
And are they gonna sign Flower? Lol
long belfry
*nenohana
sullen berry
flower might fare better
since he's been left alone to dry out his viability in the league through his trial and error in contenders
bitter phoenix
Flower will do great in owl
gaunt acorn
let's not get ahead of ourselves
he hasn't exactly blown everyone away with his contenders performance
bitter phoenix
I think he will do great.
hidden vault
So why did they ask him to go?
polar epoch
So how come this is the only esport that the teams go by city
long belfry
Nenohana is overrated imo
deft valley
because Blizzard have decided to emulate a franchise model when setting up OWL
long belfry
Im more hyped for Haksal and Whoru
ruby pendant
@polar epoch They trying to create brand identity, want to make Overwatch League similar to traditional sports. Eventually, they will build stadiums/arenas to make profit like traditional sports.
polar epoch
oh so they are trying to make it more like a regular sport so people will take it more seriously
torpid charm
https://m.weibo.cn/u/6136573107?jumpfrom=weibocom Altering released
limber pine
is there an actual message, or just "Former Shanghai Dragons Shanghai Dragon Team" at the top?
polar epoch
guys I have a question
sullen berry
❔
polar epoch
As a noob, do you think it's too late to ever get into esports ?
sullen berry
Never too late
verbal roost
Esports is new too
sullen berry
This is the best time where audience ranges from the folks who have followed gaming as a competitive sport for decades in its infancy and people simply enjoying for the novelty of it
polar epoch
so it's not to late to be in owl even tho I'm new
stuck pebble
as far as we know, it's only getting bigger. but you'd want to be playing at extremely high levels to have a chance
polar epoch
yeah I know I couldn't right now but one day hopefully
polar epoch
what do you mean
limber pine
Oh I thought you meant something else
polar epoch
I meant play in esports for overwatch
polar epoch
no
verbal roost
Or get a coaching session?
polar epoch
sure
polar epoch
Why are they using roadhog
polar epoch
I'm not silver....
polar epoch
I'm 2069
gilded dock
you’re a straight savage
gilded dock
that’s basically silver
polar epoch
OOF
iron locust
you're aware the difference between you and pros is decades of gaming experience and 10k hrs against the top players in overwatch
polar epoch
alright stop please I'm already depressed enough about it
iron locust
you asked about getting into ow esports
i'm just being real
or i could tell you ya you can get in for owl season 3 SMILE
polar epoch
If you open your eyes you can see I clearly said in the future
gilded dock
get gud
iron locust
yeah in overwatch's future probably never
don't think any pros were ever as low as silver
deft valley
this discussion has nothing to do with esports
gilded dock
u gotta start somewhere
polar epoch
@deft valley he just randomly started shit talking idk what his deal is
iron locust
yikes
because i said a currently silver player likely will never get anywhere in ow esports?
don't ask questions you might not like the answer to kiddo
hidden vault
@torpid charm YES FINALLY NOBODY FROM LGD, SHD CAN FINALLY WIN
torpid charm
What
hidden vault
We just need to wait for freefeel to be released then SHD can pick up 2 Korean supports
white hill
LGD Eileen is goooooood tho
hidden vault
Then why wasn't he picked up for Overwatch by u4?
ember jewel
C'mon bruh
thick raft
anyone here watch the contenders?
sullen berry
Contenders Pacific 🌏
scenic elm
polar epoch
Why are all the players korean
torpid charm
sullen berry
Now that is an 8 point star shanghai wanna touch
tight vault
Freefill
torpid charm
I just heard and I’m shook
tight vault
Ado can be on a good team now
limber pine
sullen berry
I thought a hard reset like this was only possible on dallas fuel
limber pine
To me, it's seems like the Chinese community has lost faith in SHD.
I'm curious if 1 or 3 chinese teams get added in Season 2, that the players will go there instead of Shanghai
and SHD will be forced to go mostly Korean.
whole sun
limber pine
You could see players like KHeart and LateYoung come up from Team CC
silk linden
Daemin was bad
hidden vault
Was he?
silk linden
Ado idk, might have offers from other teams
tight vault
Sky 🤔
fast basin
Who does SHD have
hidden vault
Geguri Fearless Diya
hidden vault
Will be rooting for them
Especially when they cleared all the people with SHD scandal involvement
fast basin
They kept an ok main tank, good off tank, and idk what you call Diya
tho Ado was a bad choice to cut
verbal roost
wow no ado
verbal roost
Geguri Fearless Diya
since there is no draft, I don't really know how shd expects to get better players tbh
deft valley
chinese contenders
vagrant niche
YOOOO
so i just heard 0-40 let go all their china men
what happened?
i'm not surprised the least, so they going to throw the house and keep the korean gems?
are they going full Korean or what?
I'll miss you Freekill 
they let Ado go, but kept Diya
vagrant niche
if Dafran gets signed one day, that would be my team
I don't know
Shangai basically kept their big money makers
and let go of everybody
paper crag
DAMN SHD
@fast basin SHD probably thought they needed to keep at least one Chinese player for the Chinese fans
and Diya was probably the best Chinese player on the team lmao
queen drift
APPARENTLY Ado was poached by Seoul
paper crag
I mean, he was pretty decent
queen drift
but no confirmation yet
paper crag
i feel like he had pretty good moments in stage 3-4
vagrant niche
Diya just makes them money
same with Fearless and Geguri
they are popular with the fans
but talent wise, they are not spectacular
paper crag
and I think Diya is a better choice to keep than freefeel lol
vagrant niche
that's why Ado's release sets something off
queen drift
SHD support line was shit
paper crag
i mean, they don't have to be "spectacular" to survive in SHD
vagrant niche
Freekill, at least i enjoyed watching him
queen drift
tanks were OK
paper crag
just be the best something in SHD
vagrant niche
he was entertaining at least
queen drift
DPS was inconsistent
paper crag
which isn't that high of a bar
i do feel like ado was poached by another team
whether or not it's Seoul
queen drift
Seoul would probably make sense, their flex dps isnt the best
queen drift
Fleta isnt their flex dps
queen drift
he can be a flex player, but that doesnt make him a teams dedicated flex
like jjonak, jehong, seagull
all insane flex players but tend to get put on 1 role
queen drift
i wouldnt get that excited.. ADO isnt super good
im hoping seoul pick up WizardHyeong though
vagrant niche
ADO is the only reason shangai was able to take some points mang
vagrant niche
i wonder tho
4 chinese teams total?
really?
what is Shangai going to pick then?
paper crag
maybe they'll be korean rosters
vagrant niche
Koreans?
queen drift
guangzhou
vagrant niche
dat
paper crag
oh okay that's understandable
queen drift
i mean only two are confirmed
paper crag
i wonder if they're gonna make Hong Kong a Chinese team
like, it's technically China now
vagrant niche
i mean, technically it is a chinese team
paper crag
but it's culturally pretty different
economically somewhat separated from the mainland
queen drift
technically china? when did that happen?
vagrant niche
they must have under the table agreements with some free agents
paper crag
then returned to China
queen drift
I know it was under UK rule, but then it became a territory, then its own state
not to china
queen drift
nono hong kong is its own country
paper crag
but have much more autonomy than other actual Chinese cities
queen drift
its like saying Taipei is a chinese city
paper crag
hmm
i know Taiwan has its own government that's separate from China
that China tries to claim
queen drift
one is the Democratic Peoples Republic of China and one is China afaik
paper crag
I thought UK was returning HK to China though
queen drift
both different countries
big china says little china is big chinas
little china says fuck off m8
paper crag
yes i know that
actually little china also says fuck you i'm the real china
y'all just backstabbing commies
which is understandable imo
queen drift
yes little china says its the real china but it doesnt claim the chinese mainland
big china claims little china land
paper crag
"Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, is a specially administered territory on the eastern side of the Pearl River estuary in southern China. "
I think HK is a little closer to being eaten up by big China though
like it's virtually its own country, yes
queen drift
must be pretty new then?
paper crag
but officially, it's a Chinese city
queen drift
is hong kong confirmed then?
paper crag
and the current Chinese regime is trying to take over control
i mean, it's not confirmed until it is
i'm just trying to think of which cities could have teams
Shanghai and Guanzhou are pretty big cities
I feel like Beijing will have one at least sometime
Hong Kong was just the next city that I could think of
queen drift
atlanta guangzhou paris are confirmed
paper crag
idk though, i'm not chinese
i wonder if paris is gonna be PSG-backed
PSG already has ties with LGD
idk if that makes PSG more likely to participate due to esports connection
paper crag
or less since they're already tied to a different team
although it's a different game
mystic jacinth
Dafran was offered a big money contract to play for SHD
queen drift
mr151k?
mystic jacinth
Nope
This was a while ago but
Dafran was offered it, and he said he wasn't sure what he wanted to do yet
Think he didn't want to but
vagrant niche
yeah, i don't think he will
he said he don't feel like it
is better that way for hi
less stress
he has a following anyways
guy is mad talented and funny most of the time
number 1 Overwatch player
paper crag
I'm sure this won't happen, but it'd be hilarious if SHD dropped 8 players
then couldn't fill 6 players
I do think it's entirely possible that they won't be able to upgrade that significantly though
plush trout
SHD 0-80
plush trout
Theyve already accomplished something no sports team ever has in the history of anything
Deserves its own trophy
AND THE PLATINUM L AWARD GOES TO
tawny sigil
esports coming to the olympics possibly in 2024... what do you guys think
i know its old news but i just reminded myself of that
probably gonna be star craft and CS:GO lotto
verbal roost
How is Chinese contenders?
paper crag
LoL maybe
the recent Asian Games had SC2 and LoL as official sports
@tawny sigil
also, Hearthstone, PES2018, and.... Clash Royale...?
tawny sigil
forgot about lol
tawny sigil
can't be taken seriously if the game has microtransaction IMO
paper crag
that influences gameplay that is, right?
tawny sigil
yeah
paper crag
didn't league get less pay-to-win though?
i don't play league so i actually don't know
i just heard someone say that
tawny sigil
why would hearthstone be in there... add magic the gathering while you at it
tawny sigil
ah
tawny sigil
i'd be outraged if there was a microtransaction game at the olympics
limber pine
paper crag
not that i'm pro-gameplay-influencing-microtransactions
but i think these pro level players already have everything they need
so at their level of competition, things are probably balanced
tawny sigil
These parting comments always feel so hollow
paper crag
and seeing players have things that need microtransaction to buy working as ad, is similar to seeing soccer players with cutting edge technology shoes/uniforms and wanting those too
i wonder which team Mr. Typical Genius went to
I honestly thought he was like 35 years old and was some kind of FPS legend or something
the way he acted lol
I didn't pay attention to any FPS scene so I just assumed this guy is an established name or something
turns out he's same age as SBB
thinks he's "the pioneer in using data in esports"
tawny sigil
Cant compares individual sports league to ilympic sports
paper crag
what do you mean?
paper crag
individual sports league as in "soccer," or something like "the premier league"
tawny sigil
The olympic rules make the official league look like a bunch of cheaters
Like nhl vs olympic hockey
paper crag
but having things through microtransaction isn't cheating
and isn't a different ruleset
tawny sigil
Nhl is violent as fuck
paper crag
sure, it feels like the player is "being cheated" when going against someone who paid a lot of money to get things
plus, what if the host of the competition provided special accounts to the participants with everything unlocked?
tawny sigil
That shit would get your entire team disqualified... and they have zero drug test
paper crag
are we talking about things other than microtransaction or microtransaction
tawny sigil
Was just saying cant compare an official league to its olympic counter part
paper crag
but the comparison doesn't even have to involve "official league vs olympic"
tawny sigil
Meaning well have to see what the olympic does with esport
paper crag
the point of the comparison was that "the biggest supposed harm microtransaction items on pro games is that it can act like ads for microtransaction, which is similar to any other sports where pro players use top of the line equipment"
assuming all players (doesn't even have to be Olympics) have equal access to available items
tawny sigil
Well i dont know all the games... i just know hearthstone is like a online mtg
paper crag
yeah and there are accounts that blizzard can provide
with everything unlocked
for competition purposes
which levels the playing field, assuming that these pro tier player don't have those things already unlocked anyway
tawny sigil
Would still be a bad game for the olympics imo
paper crag
i'm not trying to argue that it should be, but what makes you think it specifically would be a bad game?
for the Olympics, that is
paper crag
MTG not being in there doesn't make HS a bad choice to be included though
tawny sigil
To chose a video game over THE card game is a poor choice
paper crag
how so?
is this an argument that video games are inherently inferior to games played with physical objects?
paper crag
I don't think the time difference is significant between MTG and HS though, if you're comparing them to other established Olympic sports
tawny sigil
Mtg has more recognition i would think
paper crag
Worldwide? I don't think so
In the Western cultural sphere, I think MTG and HS are both very well recognized
In the Eastern sphere, HS is absolutely crushing MTG in terms of recognition
again, I'm not trying to say that HS should be an Olympic sport
tawny sigil
Older people know what mtg is... not so much hs
paper crag
I'm just curious as to why you think it shouldn't be, and why MTG should be (if you're arguing that)
Additionally, I think HS has much more solid foundation to be included as a part of e-sport
tawny sigil
They both shouldnt be in ... just hs over mtg would blasphemy
Doesnt matter i hate both
paper crag
as opposed to tabletop MTG, if that's what you're referring to
Is chess an olympic sport?
seems like it's not
tawny sigil
Online mtg was dead on arrival
tawny sigil
Chess is in the olympic im pretty sure
paper crag
I also don't think trading card games should be Olympic sports
Chess was an exhibition sport in 2000
then never played in the Olympics
it's "recognized" as a sport by the IOC though, it seems
limber pine
paper crag
I feel like any form of trading card games has a little too much luck factor
especially Hearthstone
tawny sigil
Well isnt pocker in the olympic
paper crag
it seems like it's also "recognized"
although, i'm starting to think "recognized as a sport" doesn't equal "recognized as an Olympic sport"
tawny sigil
I remember seeing stuff about it during the olympics and being like wtf
paper crag
"And, although neither chess nor checkers are currently acknowledged as Olympic sports, the World Chess Federation is recognised by the International Olympic Committee (IOC)"
from https://www.888poker.com/magazine/poker-world/poker-as-an-olympic-sport
i think games with chance inherently built into it shouldn't be Olympic sports
like yeah, you could be playing soccer and ran through a wet patch and slipped
or the wind blew and slightly changed the course of the ball
tawny sigil
Its only chance if the best hand wins
paper crag
the random (or attempted random) distribution of cards is already chance built into the game
tawny sigil
Professionnal pocker player will win almost all the time against others
paper crag
professional anything will almost always be better than non-pros
we're comparing between pro level players
tawny sigil
Well pro black jack player will win 50%
paper crag
and even if you want to compare pro to non-pro, who has a better chance of winning?
a pro fighter vs non pro fighter
or pro poker player vs non pro poker player
i'd say the non pro in the latter case has a staggeringly higher chance of winning purely by luck
non pro here being an average joe, not someone who is already clearly above the average guy
just not professional
verbal roost
Please don’t make poker an Olympic sport
tawny sigil
Youre doomed
verbal roost
More curling events!
paper crag
i'm arguing against it being an Olympic sport
deft valley
Pro poker player has a fairly small advantage in any specific hand
but over time it grows massively
tawny sigil
Obviously you dont make them play a best of 5 touney
deft valley
even in a full tourney it's like 50% luck
there's been countless random joes winning WSOP tourneys and then never doing anything notable again
verbal roost
They’re usually high level mathematics backgrounds
verbal roost
Or started poker early
paper crag
So with all these teams dropping players left and right
Do you guys think we'll see more Contenders players go to OWL, or will most of the current OWL guys get signed onto other OWL teams?
Is there a large enough pool of OWL-ready players in Contenders right now, to fill the new teams AND fill the dropped slots?
vivid prism
I suck at lucio ball lmao
drowsy fulcrum
ok
I know what y'all are thinking
but
Mistakes + ShaDowBurn are going to join a new European team
together
I guarantee
queen drift
I don't think Mistakes' hitscan is strong enough
I think most of the success from Boston came from their coaching staff.. the released players wont be too high in demand
Unless Striker/Gamsu were released ofc
Altho I'd love to see a Katowice/Moscow team with eastern europeans/russians
deft valley
russianboi team let's go
take SDB and Mistakes, pick up Tonic
show western kapitaletskis who's boss
queen drift
"Stay tuned @FLMayhem fans. We will have a bunch of roster news to announce this week including re-signings, waivings, as well as a big acquisition. Our team has been hard at work creating the strongest possible team for S2."
queen drift
if you like watching thats all that matters 🤷
polar epoch
hopefully one day I can play in it xD that would be awesome but let's be honest I'm garbage
jagged crater
joemeister not a single game on stage despite being an OG , FEELSBAD MAN
at least he got some cooking guidance under chef heidi
mistakes WTF THO
gotta be a trade or a starter on another team
SBD deserves to start somewhere else
limber pine
SDB will certainly get snatched by an expansion team
jagged crater
it is very reasonable, someone w/ the skill of SDB would get the boot but he's going nowhere on philly
he deserves a start on another team
limber pine
indeed
jagged crater
boston pickin dreamkazper back up, he's not guilty
polar epoch
is it true that if you start in silver you can never be a pro 🤔
pearl stratus
Why would you think another team will pick up SDB, realisticially?
Despite him having a bunch of really weird fanboys he's a great genji, good pharah but still only has a solid two hero pool.
Whereas currently you want DPS with a large roster that includes an Off-tank and Off-support incase you also plan to run Goats.
Not that Brig is hard to pick up.
I do think he'll get picked up, but I don't think its super clear as day that it will be immediately.
verbal roost
@polar epoch not absolutely true
polar epoch
Oh ok so I'm not hopeless
verbal roost
Nope you’re not hopeless
hidden osprey
IIRC Effect placed in plat in S2
jagged crater
i dont think he just has a solid 2 hero pool
hidden vault
Why release Mistakes???
jagged crater
his WC performance showed he can do zarya and widow additionally
queen drift
They probably picked up a more reliable flex @hidden vault
And yeah SDB Zarya is p nutty
paper crag
@jagged crater whatever happened to daddy dream after the drop? Was he actually convicted? Is he still under investigation/arrest/trial, whatever it may be?
torpid charm
Y’all I’m sad as shit
long belfry
Aparently, no one charged him
verbal roost
Shadowburn?
vagrant niche
ye