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blue/green/white
Toronto eSports has some Red White Skins on their Twitter
like canucks
And they Look amazing
the question thats been on my mind for a while is where is boostio gonna go
im excited for him
but yeah a toronto team is pretty unlikely imo
@heady idol they dont need Harry for Hitscan
The only Hitscan Harry was pro Like with was Soldier
With akm they have that spot
noo, I'm not saying that
- Soldier sucks this Meta
akm is gonna become a genji main dw
I'm saying that harry can flex DPS, but no one on the team flexes support
My prediction who gets Cut:
Cocco, chips maybe Harry
lesgo
Who gets traded:
Maybe Effect
It depends
oh man, since expansion teams get first pick
the canadian team signing xqc & crimzo

harrys sort of the only starter thats been consistently in starter position since somewhere in stage 2
i doubt they'll drop him
he might stay as a backup but perhaps
For a Expansion Team or something Like this
maybe SDB plays in the berlin team
sdb being benched is a damn shame
not many teams want a genji/pharah player as their starter
I doubt that, even If they would tty to keep him as Backup He would probably leave
He can Flex on Zarya tho
His doomfist was kreygasm
And His Sombra also was pretty good
@heady idol agreed
Mechanically probably the best Genji, Heck probably Overall the best Genji and the second best Pharah
no matter what team shadowburns on, its gonna be hard to put him in an awesome position unless his hero pool just fucking suddenly "This isnt even my final form!" out of nowhere
Only Genjis in OWL that can compete with him are Agilities, Libero and Architecct
wtf
https://twitter.com/neptuNoOW/status/1017984361566691328
Neptuno was sick and still played
Thank you everyone that's cheering for us. I just wanna clarify that I woke up this morning sick and went to doctor, I have tonsilitis with high fever. I told the coaches that I couldnt play so I wasnt gonna play. Watching junkertown I told coaches I felt gold enough to pl...
"watching junkertown"
BATTLE MERCY WHEN YOU"RE SICK
i imagine neptuno sitting there watching DayFly and just being like "jesus christ let me fix this real quick"
shamelessly stealing from a r/cow comment
`Neptuno: "Sorry coach, I'm way too sick to play"
Watches DayFly play support for a map
Neptuno: "Coach, I'm cured. Put me in"`
Hahahaahhhahhagagagahaga
thats one thing im hoping gettings hammered out next year for philly
for the love of god, get me some new backup supports
xD
Dayfly was Garbo
On all Heros
Neko was mechanically on all Heros Really good
i only saw him play bastion and
But His Positioning with Hog and Hanzo
woah
didnt neptuno have more eliminations than anyone on Boston at one point lol
So philly against NYXL? Oof
Neptuno you got amongst men
So...odds they'll add away skins for all the teams to what we can buy for season 2?
I think if I watch all of the rest of the playoffs I might get an 8th this season without winning the random 100 token giveaways at all
I should probably swap all of them now though since my team's season's over
A lot of my cool non-league skins are on those heroes
No dk news?
It’s a legal matter so probably not
ive just gotten into the league side of overwatch, anyone have some suggestions to what teams to look out for or videos to watch?
so far the dragons seem cool
Nyxl?
Spitfire???

https://imgur.com/a/7z6yaim why am i not getting any points for this perfect predicition?
Are the Dragons gonna get 2 new Korean supports next season? 
@hidden vault Is it confirmed there is such thing as Shanghai Dragons next season?
obv
they are
lets just hope the other chiense team or taiwan team gets the whole miraculous yougsters
rsoter
@quasi pelican Find the VODs for the NYXL v. Boston Uprising games
those were some of the best I saw all season
what
the OverwatchLeague twitch channel went live
''Inaugural Season Playoffs | Quarterfinals Day 3''
but the match is in 42 minutes
probably running a Watchpoint before the match starts or something
!schedule
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Yep. Watchpoint starts in 4 minutes
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wtf is wrong with this bot
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how come London and LAG are playing twice today?
adrian
Jul 14th 16:00 EDT (in 32 minutes)
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they're playing their second set
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if LAG win then they go 2-0 in the series and there's no need for a 3rd set
that second match today is in case they tie 1-1 and they need the 3rd set
Jul 14th 16:00 EDT (in 32 minutes)
Jul 14th 18:00 EDT (in 3 hours)
so basically one game today 😦
unless they lose
did London won yesterday? i didn't saw the match
@vagrant niche is the TR4C3R bot broke on your screen too?
like
is it spamming the schedule for today
lol
i think the bot broke
should we ping mods?
I think this chat is pretty dead anyways
anyways, Philly moved on to semi finals against NYXL
haven't seen much activity since thurs
so they will be playing NYXL later
so Boston is out?
yeah
but didn't they won yesterday?
they played a match on wednesday where Philly won 1 set
3-1
then they played their second set
yesterday
where boston won
so they were tied 1-1 and needed a 3rd set tiebreaker
where Philadelphia won 3-1
so the final record is 2-1 in favour of philly
eqo, carpe, poko
why should SADO get banned?
he was supsended till stage 4 for boosting or something
i post it here first
anyways
theres a controversy because SADO did one of the Dafran "exit the game to respawn" tricks on d.va
lol, try too hard to win in comp
LA Gladiators beat London 3-0 in the first set they played on wednesday
its pretty dumb if you ask me
you saw the philly vs boston game?
''so basically one game today 😦
unless they lose
did London won yesterday? i didn't saw the match''
London didnt play glads yesterday
I was not aware of that
i thought they would play
you should tune in and watch if you have the time
yes I asked the tracer bot lol,
that's why i wondered why there was 2 games
today
if LAG win 1 of the sets then they move on and we get a final Battle between the two LA teams in the semi finals
there doesnt need to be 2 games today necessarily
that 2nd game is just a tiebreaker in case London win the set coming up
is it true you can't stream tourneys while OWL is live?
idk
anyways, every playoff match is played in a very special format
I don't know
cos apparently blizz doesnt allow tourneys to be streamed while owl is on
sounds pretty stupid
if you host a tournament that is in no shape supported by Bliz themselves, you should be allowed to do so
you have bought a license to their game
unless is on the ToS, i doubt it
There might be something in the ToS for the LAN setup if you made a deal to use it
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Season 1 Playoffs of the Overwatch League is live in 10 minutes!
DAY 3 MATCHES:
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Los Angeles Gladiators vs London Spitfire 
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Join #esports-discussion for live chat of the games!
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do we have a date when the league tokens expiring?
I think end of the year
shame we can't save them
yeah Dec 31, 2018
next year they might do new skins
can we use them for world cup?
do you think I can make it?
yeah easily
you get so much free tokens
thats the problem
it's like 3 per map I think
its 1 per map
ok 1 per map and an addional 3 at match end then
I know there were 2 triggers for it
and with minimum 7 matches left
there's no rule that says you can't log in and leave it muted while you sleep
never logged on for these credits
since I have every torb cosmetic in the game. Im just missing the OWL skins. I got 3 or 4 torb OWL skins so far
OK you win
;-;
buy all the torb skins
but i'm waiting to see
buy all Dragons skins
I wonder how long it'll take spending no money to buy a full roster of skins
forever
i'll buy the Freekill skin 
YES!!
I mean there has to be an upper limit to how many heroes they can add
i wonder if they are going to use a different token system for the world cup
i want US skins
so if I'm getting 7-8 per season probably 5 seasons or so to get one for each hero
accounting for new additions
it would take a while
not even sure you would be able to get an entire set that way
in one season
(one owl season)
I mean I'm assuming they're not going to change the uniforms every year
maybe they add the away skins for season 2

this is gonna be a quick day guys
hopefully you are not cashing in on this to spend your night on
3 series and done
so wait... why can't fissure play in playoffs did he violate some team rules?
sounded like he wasn't being a team player in scrims
something about not feeling his teammates were trying hard enough, so he stopped trying
lol... that's the difference between the korean mentality and NA mentality teams
for some reason I kinda wish that London could return to their former glory and just destroy Gladiators suddenly
Im not rooting for either team
but
it would be epic
FailFish
did people just boo biggoose?
biggooooooooooooosse
gooooooose
👋
a bit cringe but ok
Poggers! monte
Junkertown zzzz
residentsleeper
junkertown is just WW2 strats
How is the meta atm? Havent watched yesterdays matches
Is it just double sniper or more varied
I've seen some triple tank single support but idk how common it is
double sniper mostly but there's some pharah, genji, tracer etc.
triple tank single support is actually decently common so far
just to avoid the sniper one-shots?
idek
birdring missing as usual
a lot of people seem scared to run tracer even with brig not being played
not really
Tracer into triple tank is eh
go London
tracer is getting a decent amount if okay
LOL
I wasnt looking when typing
and accidentally wrote the totally wrong words
meant to say amount of play
@marsh pumice Still not convinced that London will never beat Glads?
ez for London
who are y'all rooting for?
NA ULT
whoever has the best chance of beating NY in the finals
I dont really root for either london or glads
but
OOF
I mean

very nice
well
same as @worn hornet
but in this case I actually think London would have the better shot
sneaky Tracer
if they show up like theyt used to
they've beat NYXL twice back to back
sure they fell off
but
I've got everything on this side of the brackets now because I'm obligated to hate everything NYC and Philly
wow
NICE HOLD GLADS

was a good hold
@azure harbor pls
Looks like London's attacking juice ran out 
but still very good from London and now they are going to hold glads at 1st point~
as far as the actual players are concerned, I wish I could mercy like Neptuno did this week
London looking pretty strong today but let's see how this goes
Glads or London?
i kinda want glads to win
im interested to see if LAG will do the surefour brigitte to widow spawn flank again
but who do you think has the better shot at beating NYXL
HOOOOO
Philly is versing NYXL first tho
The last time they had a match NYXL slapped them 4-0
new meta
you also have to remember that Philadelphia have had some of the closest matches against NYXL
beat them in stage 1
yeah it was
But struggled against Shanghai and Mayhem
Im almost wondering if Shanghai played terribly against everyone on purpose but played their best against philadelphia and philadelphia only lol
They did on Dallas too on first stage lol
And even Mayhem
That really tilted me tho for the fact that Shanghai was really close on winning for once
Against Mayhem that is
anyways, sure it was inconsistent Philadelphia but that doesnt mean they dont have the skill to do it again
also
we still dont know for sure if NYXL were sandbagging or not
seems a bit weird to sandbag the stage 4 finals
where they played for 100k
their spot was locked in
yeah sure it was
besides, why care for 100k when you can get a million later?
Yeah they didn't try tbh
because 100k is still a lot
not in relativity to 1 mil
Also 100k is still a lot yeah but they'd rather go for 1 mil now
100 000 x 10
that's 10% of the season winnings
yeah
T'is Ethan
Not really if you won twice already 
it seems silly, but it's better to keep your strats for the bigger fish
it seemed like they were actually playing bad but tried to play it of as sandbagging to me
I mean
if they didnt throw the finals
then I wouldnt be unsure at all
this feels like a
map win
it does indeed
very nice hold i told you
Silkthread LUL

Bdosin holy shit
darn
that guy HARD carried on defence
still you guys cant deny that we cant be 100% sure about NYXL atm
c9

we will be after their first set against philly tho
very nice hold from London
that was not necessarily a c9
why did Remix dive 1v6
didn't quite understand that solo dive from iremix
its only a c9 if you are winning
ifeedmix showing up a bit there
@sly fiber My complaint too
Fissure has said that Remix was more of a team oriented main tank and that's what we saw yesterday, right? What changed?
I mean
he only said that because of the whole slasher/fissure situation
whats happening with that btw
last i heard fissure was like 'nope wrong' to what slasher said about him
didn't really see S4 pop off either
everyone is taking Fissure's word for it
idk why
no matter what happened fissure would still deny that that happened
if its true or not
because its the best decision for his career
birdring poggers
note the "I will beat them"
if london win oasis then they win the set
its their weakest map and if they win it then that just shows that something has changed
in the power balance between these two teams
@ruby pendant Yeah when Remix dive 1v6 
Costing his team to lose when all of them are present
scripted games
bout time he hit something
just wait they gonna pan to the screen of the players by accident and they just gonna be watching cat videos
S4 on soldier 76 
NA ult
you know things are bad when you see soldier
moon2C
oof rip glads?
Oh of course they would use the sleeper ult
Im literally earraping myself with Dont stop me now while watching London return to glory
beautiful
omg
london about to win oasis

are the glads even trying lol
guess we're getting a 3rd game
it's called they need fissure
^
Fair enough
Remix dies way too much
I've seen him get out of a fight like once out of all his engagements
Yeah he’s not doing to well
lets see
winning, or will we see
pulling the reverse sweep?
i think glads are gonna lose this, then it's a toss up in match 3
b/c righ tnow london's been getting so many more kills than glad
"Gladiators Agamemnon Contigency file code name: "Main Tank". If London wins two maps, the following protocols will need to be enacted to ensure our victory. Bringing a man named Fissure who popped for the last 3 stages is the only one capable of toppling London down. This is something London has regretting ever since they traded him to our team."
Lol prob
what a punchable face
Inb4 reverse sweep
Whats the score?
London are winning??????\
yea
it's going to be a solid win from London and man i hope they clean it clean
needs to put in fissure for remix
Did Remix feed?
i did not see oasis, but ive read here that he jumped in 1v6
but overall Fissure > iRemiix
man they're getting so fucking desperate with this all access pass
here is 30$ for an emote guyz
I love it
They want Overwatch League to continue
but i wont pay 30 bucks for it
This emote probably missed the Anniversary deadline so they slapped it onto the Access Pass 
i have 890 unopened loot box... that shit is so unattractive to me
otherwise you get a stream where you don't even get to see the full stream properly
The All Access view is worse than the normal view
reverse sweep or normal sweep?
reverse
ohkay, no Fissure
Fissure won't be playing at all
GG WP to London
no matter what
Aaand london just won
It's so strange to see how they've changed
I'm only rooting for London so they can bring "something home"
London have a better chance of beating NYXL. So go London I guess
I know, there's not a single English player 
Even though no matter what, Valiant will reach finals
uh no
London don't have a better chance at beating nyxl
Valiant are one of the hardest choking teams out there
I disagree
Valiant are probably the 2nd most consistent team after NYXL based on points alone
London iss the worst team in playoffs
Clearly not
nah boston is
notice how bischu isnt being played either
London have the better shot IF they can return to their former glory.
the Korean upset 
London at their peak beat NYXL twice back to back
yeah, but this was 4 stages ago
it used to be london and NYXL as the top of the OWL
the meta has changed so much since
Yeah, but it shows that London have the capability to do it
and how teams play has changed significantlly too
More so than glads if you ask me
Ez for London
GG 
Im wondering. If London beats Glads, will you guys still say that London are the worst team in playoffs?
if London wins this is there still one more set?
Yeah
But this seems like London's day so if things go the way they have been then we'll see London in semi finals
Pog
so long as Glads dont swap in Fissure i'd say its Glads is worst
London is spiting fire
oof, this is tough if you're a GLA fan
S4 is just invisible this entire set
^^
I love how much the gladiators have improved but this is just not their best
they seem super off today
that feel when you shout loud and nobody follows
That one guy tho

its coming home boys
did london's coaches figure out the glads?
Tbh philly have carpe that carries them and is like the core. If carpe doesnt perform, philly doesnt perform
Glads
Have surefour and fissure
what a hold
wow wtf drug are they on
what. a. hold.
B R U H
why not use the blade
that felt like a misplay
misplay all day
silkthread looks like hes throwing
i love my boy silkthread but to not play him all stage and then toss him into the playoffs expecting him to play everything is. ambitious
rip
GG
rest in rip
ouch
Shir
5-0
Shit*
Gladiators actually throiwing
GIMME MY NEXT BEST OF 5 IM SO HYPED
whose on next again?
This is actually philly vs boston v2
Oh wow
im surprised at how well this triple tank solo mercy comp is working
is this the part where glads toss off the weights and put in Fissure finally?
The iRemix honeymoon didn't last long
I missed a lot of the match, did the desk predict that glads would win?
i think that if they won the first match of today they would have had a 50% winrate with remix
this new music is pretty 
What if spitfire threw on wednesday so that the gladiators would be confident with iremix in the lineup, now that they haven't felt the need to practice with fissure, london now has an easy win with 2 matches today that Gladiators can't adjust in between
lmao
#Sandbagging
#tacticalthrowing
whats the name of the spotify playlist for overwatch league?
party on the payload?
Lezgo london
That guy tho
when does owl season 2 start?
Striker approved!
lol the first song is despaceto
LOL DISAPPOINTED
sdjfgasjdgfajsdgf ty ty
HYDRATION
"dont worry coach you're not doing anything"
who do you guys think will win
@brisk roost lol Iremix will prove himself!!
BISCHUUUU
bischu pog
TIDYYY
cameras aree always off
Where are the London fans??
Glads finally woke up
lol
ez
Bdosin really destroying glads
fast games, ez life
has surfour gotten any kills this round?
Eeewmix
lol
nice

bischu carrying tbh
carnage continues i guess
s4 literally 0 final blow widow this round btw
lol

W O W
nice
s4 got his first kill!

HOLLLYYYYY

wow
I can't be mad at that, that was a beautiful dragon succ
getting destroyed
rest in rip glads?????
this is what happens when you lose the most handsome man
London is shredding
men in 2018 LUL
lol, london look too serious
s4 should really get off widow lol
Great job, much better than Fissure!!
what happened to fissure
classic remix
S4 has been off the mark
wow
lol, joking
BISCHU
remix hasnt been amazing but s4 is actually trolling with how bad hes playing lol
So, Fissure was a secret agent from London?
@vagrant niche Glads not playing good as a whole
makes sense
nice
Fissure enabled the London to get on semifinals
that was the plan all along
so sneaky
HUGE
TRIPLE KIILLL
That was FUCKING huge
LMAO
lol what the fuck
really too fast
WHAT WAS THAATTT
but it still lost them the point
freaking fallout 76
i cant wait to rewatch that what even
Profit got to carry
when i grow up i want to be that dva bomb
Get 3K cash in one instant would be wonderful
emote lul
lol
ooooooooof
Oml Bishu got 3 kills with one bomb too
why are they dying to dragon strike so hard... they're telegraphed like a freaking dark soul boss
DVA fallout in the fallout shelter... how ironic
I swear did someone fuck with S4's settings or something?
feels like his accuracy is like 15%
oof
this is good
IRemix is doing pretty bad
this is such a big upset holy shit
Fissure really screwed them up
inb4dropped
Where did Fissure go? I didn’t catch that part
That was so calculated, London send Fissure in to win this
london are playing so well tho
Cause Remix is screwing everything up
to be fair London is countering glads pretty hard
gladiators actually trolling by not running fissure
Fissure looking line a much better option
@ruby pendant I saw S4 doing great openings, but they don't have the main tank creating space like Fissure does
S4 got 2 picks to start the fight
wtf are these ads
And they STILL lost
xD
s4 did better on attack but he threw hard on defense lol
I dont understand how they didnt push it through when they had three 6v4s back to back
Big goose dying alot isnt helping either
LETS GO LONDON
it's clearly problematic not having Fissure now
gladiators also got picks every times
ACES HIGH
that was the blade fight right?
He literally got picked so many times
i'm telling you bois, Fissure is a London secret agent
spitfire*
@vagrant niche London focusing on him pretty hard
XD
especially birdring
Yea profit got a blade in like 45 seconds
Yeah
Turned a 6v4 around
Bro, S4 got like 2 of them there, but Iremix keeps dying
Cmon Remix
Where was that Remix I saw the other day?
It’s dead
other day was a tactical throw
can't remember a time remix was good
Gone because london decided that it was time to play like a korean team
xD
He wasnt even good in the series they won. He just did his job
He wasnt a standout tank
true
Just a fill tank
glads haven't lost yet, still have next match!
His whole team played well so he looked good
only 1-0
Yeah but goose needs to stay alive more if hes on mercy
Yeah but like
London has the mental advantage
London is looking so good
I cant imagine how the glads must feel when they get two picks 3 fights in a row
And lose THREE 6v4s in a row
if that coach thought his players couldn't be tilted... i think he's being prooven wrong right now
Thats just retarded lol
Yeah xD
Yeah I would know xD
gg
wat. why
yeah wtf they putting void in for
Wait what map is it. I gotta check
@heady idol how you know, so early?
On mobile rn
but bischus big bombs
lijiang
They want Void cause his Zarya
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/434998060687425546/467815743858278410/unknown.png ohoho votings changed too
If Iremix dominates, what are ya going to say??
lol
I swear their jump jets recharge faster than ours
it seems like all the pro pharahs can more or less hover indefinitely
GET BOOPED
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
I think that first point switch wasn’t the best idea
you can
Oh nvm they took it
WTF WAS THATBARARAGE?
Hydration going nuts
HYDRATION IS FUCKING NUTS
hydration carry lol
I'm so glad he is DPS for US
Why in the fuck would they play Ana there
@frozen moat anti heal
how much of the WC roster is actually out?
Meh
ez
oof
c9
oh boi
What a turnaround
MY BOY PROFIT
That sens tho
GLADIAT OMEGALUL R S
so...5/12 of team USA is on the Shock?
Glads doing a good job so far
that's actually probably good for synergy
Like 9/12 of team kr is nyxl
Good job at getting wrekt 
spicy
S4 getting shat on

Disgusting
This is the Birdring that carried them to win Stage 1
I can't believe how much people are blaming remix for Surefour losing 1v1s?
"bAD mAiN TaNK HUrTs DpS ThE mOSt"
100-0
!schedule
@vagrant niche Glads want a reverse sweep
Jul 14th 17:50 EDT (32 minutes ago)
I doubt it
OMEGALUL
goodbye fissure
This is disappointing
cya l8r gladiators
see you on Seoul Dynasty
idk, not over yet
so spicy
THE ULTIMATE REVENGE STRAT
Not over yet but
Fissure left glads already?
its over
Wow
lol
thought he was on roster
Same
probably not for long
Lol Team China has nobody from the Dragons
He is on the roster
Why isn’t he in the game though, if Fissure was there they’d have a huge chance
no people are saying Seoul is the other all Korean team
Fissure is laughing maniacally somewhere
he might want to consider
that was just rummors
we don't know
we might even get another full korean team on season 2
for all we know
That's for sure
k, makes sense
Slasher just says Fissure wants out to full Korean team
s4 getting bodied
Glads coach has their work cutout for em
glads got stomped on oml
Hydration was kinda feedin too tbh
yeah i don't know what you talking about
So they need to regroup mentally and have their coach do work
Hydration carried hard
Man the screen is awfully blue right now Kappa
no it's too late
Yea his doom was good
they are done
yeh hydration carried hard and it's not longer doing it, i mean i love hydration but i do love London more
S4 is on shambles, this is the Birdring that carried them to win Stage1
Iremix is done, he almost doesn't exists
RIP glads bois
Who got 0-2
Void
Lol
we can say with confidence, he was truly a Void on his team
man im hyped this London wins made my day man

@vagrant niche Honestly your toxicity jokes are hilarious 
so glad for them and we all are experiencing some awesome overwatch
Just sayin btw XD!
hydration is not enough anymore for the glads they need more then hydration
REMIX JUMPED INTO THE DRAGONS
They need the actual roster back
i saw him getting killed
Since, Fissure came on Glads improved a lot. Feel like it's a bit funny to take him off, when it comes to season playoffs. Wonder how Fissure feels.
there's probably drama in that man
he cant play
every analyst and commentator have questioned why taking Fissure out
we clearly can tell there's some drama inside and we are not told what it is
i'm starting to think Slasher is right
and Fissure by his response, saying that he thinks he needs to be replaced by an english speaking main tank
leads me to believe he is setting his departure already
fissure to nyxl
I don't think Fissure will be on gladiators next season
he clearly earned himself value with gladiators
so he's free now to go to a full Korean team how he wants according to Slasher
@vagrant niche yeah definitely strange
because he is considered now a high value main tank
@flint pasture Wouldn't be surprised, think South Korea's world cup coach is Excelsior coach. Excelsior coach may like Fissure, anything is possible!
dude, reading the cow comment threads, there's this widow one-trick defending s4 so fucking hard
he has 27 comments int he thread defending s4
True, but they can always switch Fissure in for a map or 2.


