which is also a federal charge or whatever
#esports-discussion
pearl cedar
balmy wolf
She said sexual misconduct was had. That’s very clear
pearl cedar
oh
balmy wolf
You can’t assume from that
balmy wolf
She literally said he flew her to LA, had sex with her, and received pictures. Any variation less than that and she’s guilty
median saddle
and she's refusing to show those pictures
pearl cedar
I read that she received plane tickets but didn't use them
median saddle
which by default should make her guilty if not very close
pearl cedar
linked the email to confirm that she received tickets thats about it
bitter phoenix
His image is ruined regardless and even if it's proven he didn't do it
pearl cedar
yea
bitter phoenix
He won't be back as a owl player
pearl cedar
thats what i was saying
unfortunate but hes done in OWL
maybe he can play overwatch in a small scale if he wanted or a different fps but
its tough carrying baggage around
balmy wolf
She’s refusing so she’s guilty and she should go to prison if she’s proven to be lying. She should live and grow old in prison, for her crime if she’s proven to be lying. If dream is guilty, he deserves to rot.
bitter phoenix
Because no smart person would sign him
pearl cedar
yeah, PR and your brand
well see
here's the thing
she's still 15
even if shes lying
balmy wolf
If she’s arrested, he could come back to owl.
balmy wolf
Not at all
median saddle
but hey nfl players still get back even after accusations
worn hornet
unless they can prove the evidence doesn't exist I think the most they could get her on is obstruction of justice
pearl cedar
maybe juvenile detention centre or something
median saddle
so
bitter phoenix
She will get a slap on the wrist and go to consoling
median saddle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl cedar
and DK could counter sue but thats so much effort lol
balmy wolf
You can be sentenced to adult prison facilities if you committed an adult crime. Accusing someone of a rape is adult crime if you’re lying
pearl cedar
yea exactly @bitter phoenix
worn hornet
can you even actually sue a minor though?
pearl cedar
Well, you wont go prison for that stuff...
thats not how it works
you can sue her parents for defamation
but at that point
median saddle
also where are her parents
median saddle
if she did fly to LA she should have a guardian no?
worn hornet
you can fly unaccompanied.
bitter phoenix
15 you can fly alone
pearl cedar
What surprises me is DK's twitter is still up lol
it wasnt taken down
its just nothings been posted ever since
worn hornet
maybe his lawyer thought it would look worse to nuke it
pearl cedar
yea
median saddle
I just think it's weird that wouldn't someone's parents be concerned if they took a flight to LA all by themselves
pearl cedar
still if I were him id press his Lawyer to help him iron out the case to clear him of any potential charges
simply because he wouldnt be able to return to school easily
unless he paid bail, but he'd only have to pay bail if he was arrested
balmy wolf
She would go to prison, Dream would countersue blizzard and the girl for defamation, mental stress, and lying about rape, which would be enough to either shut owl down, return him to pro play, arrest the girl and sentence her to juvenile Imprisonment until she’s old enough to go to adult prison. That “effort” is what would legally need to happen if Dream was innocent. If he is innocent, he would do this to clear his name even if he couldn’t play. To do anything less if you’re innocent is suicide.
pearl cedar
so the whole state of affairs with him is unknown
Ive never been in that situation so i dont know what's going on with him
worn hornet
I mean is he actually even barred from the league officially, or is it just that the team dropped him?
balmy wolf
The team
pearl cedar
he was dropped by the team
median saddle
he's not barred from playing
balmy wolf
^
pearl cedar
OWL didnt officially ban him or anything
worn hornet
so maybe Shanghai picks him up for Season 2
median saddle
it's that no one would take him because of PR reasons
balmy wolf
Until
Until he’s proven innocent
That could happen
We don’t know
But if it does
I’ll be saying I told you so
pearl cedar
What i'm trying to imagine is
if he really WAS in jail
why is there no article about it on the internet
balmy wolf
He’s not no matter what people say
median saddle
cause he isn't in jail
balmy wolf
There’s no evidence
pearl cedar
it would normally make headlines on all sorts of papers
yeah
he's not in jail
but is he able to do anything with his life right now
is he back in college or anything?
worn hornet
if he does end up doing time he's probably super dead, realistically
pearl cedar
thats the thing i dont understand
because he must've hired a lawyer, and they have to pursue his case till he's cleared
but until then what's going on, is he allowed to do anything?
median saddle
but he probably isn't doing time
so until the girl fesses up the pictures, he's free to do what he wants other than join OWL
balmy wolf
A lawyer on Reddit literally said she’d have to release her naked pictures to prove her case, and if she doesn’t, he’s innocent. He’s either in college, trying to go to college, waiting to return to pro play, or living a different life. No way in hell he’s doing time for a discord messages lol
worn hornet
was he ever even actually charged with anything?
balmy wolf
And if she releases her pictures, she’s also committing a crime herself
So she loses either way
pearl cedar
I only joined this conversation because I searched him up recently
but I couldnt find any information on his status or his life
nothing at all
balmy wolf
Because if you release your own naked pictures from childhood, you’re releasing child porn.
pearl cedar
google him you wont find shit
balmy wolf
And that too
pearl cedar
well actually you're wrong
she just has to provide those pictures
in court
or to authorities
balmy wolf
Nope, she has to show her naked body to the court, the jury, the lawyer, or someone
pearl cedar
and show proof that those images were sent
balmy wolf
She can’t do anything less
polar steeple
balmy wolf
She has to prove pictures were sent, and sex was had.
One without the other and she goes to prison
worn hornet
the issue is that because she took them she's technically guilty of creating child pronography, if they exist. Now, no DA in his/her right mind would pursue that, but it's technically the case.
balmy wolf
^^^
And if she’s smart she’ll shut her mouth and won’t say anything because she already benefited from the situation
Like she is now
worn hornet
you said a jackdaw was a crow
pearl cedar
she could easily say she was tricked or seduced
median saddle
but if she doesn't provide the pictures then she's charged with a false accusation of pedophillia
pearl cedar
so even if she took the pictures she wouldnt be charged for anything
cause 'just a kid doesnt know any better'
balmy wolf
Those photos of bragging about the crime, will throw her case off
pearl cedar
where's that twitter anyway
pearl cedar
i didnt know that she bragged about it
balmy wolf
That’s defamation
pearl cedar
howd you guys find that out lmao
median saddle
is there a screenshot of the tweet
balmy wolf
Look it up
pearl cedar
fkin reddict detectives
balmy wolf
Yes
median saddle
i wanna see that too
balmy wolf
Look it the fuck up
She’s also in the Hoeston Outsluts group
Where the fans were upset about the 4-0
And then the next day
How odd
That this happened
worn hornet
wasn't he the player of the match that game, too?
pearl cedar
idk how id look it up, shoot me a PM though of the screenshot i wanna read it
balmy wolf
Her friend lsaid “I support <whatever the girls name is> in her bio she says “Hoeston Outsluts member
pearl cedar
cause i never heard of that
balmy wolf
And yes he was mvp that game
Look up carter overwatch dreamkazper
She’s bragging about being a slut, and ruining someone’s career, and benefiting from it. Real photos of this. How am I suppose to believe that man is guilty if the victim acts irrational?
No DA would believe that
You don’t brag about that
Her words not mine
Is he guilty? Not my call. Is she lying? Not my call. Is her behavior irrational? Yes
median saddle
dreamkazper went full on knowing what he was doing
at the same time the girl is also being manipulative and thus she's also guilty
and she's protected by minor rules so nothing there
balmy wolf
Yeah, he tried to get laid. But did penetration occur and did photos of her naked body get sent to that man and did he download them or have them in the chat log?
Because I’m pretty sure you can scroll up and see them right?
coarse heath
Slasher is usually accurate
balmy wolf
Fissure was bottom tier material for London, he proved he’s capable of being a starter but not for London. What did slasher say?
median saddle
cause what the glads pulled off today clearly shows that they have been scrimming
coarse heath
@balmy wolf Basically, he wasn’t happy with his team cuz he thought they weren’t taking scrims for playoffs serious enough, so he just shut down
median saddle
slasher said that fissure felt that the glads weren't working hard and thus he refused to communicate
coarse heath
He stopped communicating or trying
balmy wolf
And they lost?
coarse heath
He wants to leave LAG
They won
They stomped London without Fissure
They played iRemiix and stomped London, thus putting a dent in his reputation as the carry for LAG
balmy wolf
Not really. the carry still existed
You can’t undo what happened already
Maybe you can replace it
But never delete
coarse heath
Ok, he’s insanely skilled, but nobody wants a BabyRager
balmy wolf
Untrue
Xqc and fractal
And dafran
People still want them
And they’re manchildren
balmy wolf
Dafran is a fucking child of a man. And people still love him
He could probably also join a team too
coarse heath
True
coarse heath
But he probably wouldn’t be childish enough to rage at his team
balmy wolf
Dafran threw and said his healer wasn’t trying on Route 66
balmy wolf
Accused dhak of throwing as lucio because they needed ana
I’m talking of pro team
He threw a selfless match
balmy wolf
He threw and said dhak was throwing that game so he was too
So he does
Throw his team under the bus
Xqc doesn’t though
As far as we know
coarse heath
Quote from S4:
balmy wolf
Gtg to work. Will continue this discussion later in dms if you want or here
coarse heath
https://twitter.com/Surefour/status/1013587782248386560
You know, I'm a pretty patient person. But not patient enough to deal with someone's bullshit. 5:58 PM - 1 Jul 2018
Twitter
K
balmy wolf
Is that about fissure
coarse heath
I’d assume so
iRemiix said he’d been scrimming for 2 weeks ago
That tweet was about 2 weeks ago
balmy wolf
You can’t be patient and not deal with bullshit. That’s contradictory
coarse heath
I need to go as well. I’ll continue this later.
balmy wolf
Yeah haha
median saddle
dramawatch
balmy wolf
Kk cya. Bye for me as well.
golden garden
feral wing
IREMIX playing?
poggers
also EQO really needs to practice pharah..
he did decent on some maps but on others it was just horrible
molten skiff
seriously, if glads were really having internal problem like slasher was saying, they wouldnt have come up with that crazy strat, which definitely needed a ton of practice
ashen cape
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
upper niche
Alrighty people, I've just added support to limit calendars (eg, for Contenders) to regions at http://owl.tjsr.id.au/ - so if you want a Contenders calendar feed that only has your local region you can do that now without having to get data for every single match.
If anyone wants it while it's on my clipboard, here's the URL for just Australia, with spoilers in detailed format: http://owl.tjsr.id.au/calendar?scores=true&format=detailed&leagues=CS1,CS2®ions=AUS
spring lintel
Slasher has never been wrong
Even when that team came out and said there were no problems, the next week the coach gets sacked.
silk linden
slasher is good about reporting rumors but terrible with making assumptions and inferring
like, his worth ends as soon as his personality begins
he's literally just a vessel, a channel
anything he brings of his own to the table is literally worth less than the average r/overwatchtmz user
limber pine
Slasher has never been wrong
Slasher has been wrong before
but he is right much more often
He is generally pretty reliable when reporting news
it's the why that is often up for debate
drowsy fulcrum
what time is the finals again?
leaden fable
silent moat
petition to call the gladiators play a reverse trojan horse
tropic girder
Someone explain the league to me, I thought it was over? I swear I saw overseas players posting them going home but yet the league is still going? I'm so lost its current stage 4 how many stages are there??? When are the playoffs? I thought Valiant won. I'm so lost and stupid pls help me be patient I gave autism. 
deft valley
The playoffs are now
Valiant won Stage 4 finals
The playoffs only have 6 teams so the players from other teams aren't involved
silent moat
Yeah the players from the bottom 6 teams on the final standings are all relaxing now, while the ones from the top 6 were grinding hard to get ready for playoffs
The top team from the pacific division (Valiant) and the top team from the atlantic division (NYXL) got a bye for the quarterfinals, which is what is happening now
last night was the first night of quarterfinals, with the gladiators facing off with the london spitfire and the boston uprising facing off with the philly fusion
tomorrow there will be two matches of boston vs philly, for a total of 3 matches between them to win the series. philly beat boston last night, so if boston wants to move on to the semifinals, they have to win two consecutive matches.
likewise, the gladiators face off with the spitfire again on saturday for two consecutive matches.
tropic girder
Thank you all so much.
I was just so confused. I hate the app
And I'm an idiot so those dont go well together
silent moat
the schedule on the website might help you understand a bit better: https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/schedule
slate meteor
i want philly to win
torpid charm
vestal berry
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
warped axle
Any NA contenders fan, check it out https://www.twitch.tv/overwatchcontenders
Good match going on right now
ember jewel
To be honest, contenders KR is so much better
specially now that there is English casting
Contenders KR creates strats, NA copies, and EU just does their own thing, usually with a ton of tanks
torpid charm
KR Contenders is wild
torpid charm
why do you say that
vagrant niche
vagrant niche
good bye SADO
torpid charm
guess I'll just cry, thank you for informing me
torpid charm
I love Fragi though, all the tank players have a special place in my heart
gaunt acorn
@torpid charm 
upper niche
I dunno about Fragi. You can pinpoint the moment they lost the final against NYXL on Route 66 and the entire match flipped back to NYXL to come back from behind from the point Fragi over-committed when they had a chance to win the stage.
brittle mulch
deft valley
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
jagged crater
cant watch video what he abuse?
limber pine
wut
jagged crater
pearl stratus
He forces himself to disconnect and reconnect when he got de-meched and staggered.
The reconnect puts him back in base.
So he gets a free mech, denies enemy ult, and isn't staggered at all.
jagged crater
but at the same time losing SR for it?
pearl stratus
Nope.
He reconnects almost instantly.
Which isn't an SR loss, he wasn't gone long enough
verbal roost
Was it reported to blizzard?
pearl stratus
I have no clue about either things, I just watched the vid.
I dont' care about Shitsho.
Okay - checked a link.
Dafran was banned for it, and it cost him being community lead for Denmark in OWWC.
So precedent is Blizzard should Ban Sado.
Which could be hilarious for playoffs.
jagged crater
the brightside we get to see fragi & poko together again 😃
pearl stratus
The downside is Sado gets released for costing his team Season 1 playoffs 😛
Boosted.
I mean if I was Blizzard I'd ban him mid-playoffs just because you want the precedent set in the harshest way possible.
jagged crater
what did dafran do
pearl stratus
Same thing.
DC'd on D'va to force the death and respawn with mech faster than a stagger would allow.
And because he got banned during/near the community lead vote, it disqualified him from being it.
jagged crater
his game account actually got suspended for that?
pearl stratus
As far as I know, yeah.
I mean its abusing an exploit, which is bannable in most games so that part doesn't bother me.
It's whether they maintain consistency and ban Sado now.
No ones clear on his actual suspension, because it was on another account that could have been reported before etc. But that was the last things he was doing before it got banned.
deft valley
Dafran’s account was actually suspended and it was laid out plainly in the requirements for community lead
Sado’s isn’t
pearl stratus
The question is more should Sado's be, if Blizzard is being consistent.
Or will they bitch out and wait till after play-offs.
My guess is on B.
deft valley
It’s a different situation, so it isn’t a consistency question
The rules on actually suspended accounts are clear
ones on doing stupid shit to win comp aren’t
pearl stratus
That's... not even the point. I was just laying that out on why Dafran wasn't chosen as community lead. The beginning behavior is what is shared.
So if Dafran was banned for bug abuse, will Sado be.
I don't care if Shitsho the booster is a community lead.
I care if they ban him for the same stuff.
Which would impact his spot in playoffs.
Bug Abuse is clearly listed as a reportable offense.
limber pine
I thought dafran was banned for something else
That happened along side the bug exploit
deft valley
That’s been the rumor but no one else came up with any better explanation
And Blizzard didn’t post a statement of course
Here’s a good chart https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*nZ7QX72uhzk4c4LssDI-0A.png
limber pine
Coincidence that most of the Koreans are at the bottom?
deft valley
probably
sand pond
@deft valley what is the Y axis of this chart?
torpid charm
final blows
torpid charm
vagrant niche
battle mercy 
my favorite
people hate her so much, but love having a good one on my team all the time
pearl stratus
Most people hate Mercy for a very stupid reason (some are valid though)
But most supports hate Mercy because they think she's so strong it makes their heroes weak. Instead of realizing nerfing Mercy doesn't make their heroes better. They still have shit kits and shit mobility.
Like you could remove Mercy from the game and you'd still not see much Ana play. It wouldn't magically make Ana viable.
vagrant niche
why are people complaining about mobility when symetra now is a thing?
pearl stratus
Her DPS is theoretically crazy.
But her M1 Charge time means you typically need a shield to build on, which means you're in the front lines and the loss of her projected barrier makes her an easy target.
It also makes her a sitting duck for snipers.
Her M2 is her most consistent damage, and I have no issues with it in general.
She's in the same vein now, imo, as Bastion.
vagrant niche
she needs to move with the team not alone
pearl stratus
You have to build your comp around her.
Which can lead to just in general much worse comps.
vagrant niche
i feel people sleeping on her like they slept with sombra
south dirge
Or have someone in gm play her in gold
pearl stratus
If you want to see the main issues go watch Seagulls stream from a few days ago.
He played her, and her alone, for like 5-6 hours
And had like a 38% Win rate.
vagrant niche
did the team worked with him?
pearl stratus
Yes.
He was triple stacking with Mendo and Numlocked for a few hours of it.
He noted at one point it was better if the team didn't work around him, because they could get better overall picks.
vagrant niche
well there needs to be flexibility
pearl stratus
Do not watch Dafran attempt symmetra.
He just threw out 300 SR because he's dumb as a rock.
vagrant niche
Dafran best player in overwatch
pearl stratus
Mechanically.
Mentally he's a fucking retard.
So a hero that requires thought, like Symmetra, he's just trash on
And it was funny watching him bleed 300 SR in like 2 hours.
vagrant cargo
Hes Not even mechanically the best
vagrant niche
yes he is
vagrant cargo
Hes stomping in EU ladder
pearl stratus
His tracking is pretty much untouched, compared.
pearl stratus
But he's the first to admit he's an idiot.
vagrant niche
he is the best in the world man
pearl stratus
It's why Seagull is a good benchmark for heroes.
vagrant niche
number 1
pearl stratus
Because he's big brained.
vagrant cargo
But on all other aspects tracers Like SBB Striker etc are whay better
vagrant niche
hell no lmao, Dafran's better than them
pearl stratus
I wouldn't call blinks mechanical, but that's a whole different theoretical argument.
vagrant niche
he doesn't want to be on OWL
vagrant cargo
And Hes going to Farm him
pearl stratus
I'd argue blinking and recalling is much more big brain than mechanical skill.
It's why SBB is so dangerous.
pearl stratus
SBB's tracking is okay, not great.
vagrant cargo
SBBs Tracking is nutty
vagrant niche
and pulses bomb him
vagrant cargo
That is average for a GM Tracer @vagrant niche
pearl stratus
I mean I'll never care.
vagrant cargo
Not that Special
pearl stratus
Because he's on Ladder.
Which is high school sports.
And I'd never follow high school sports.
vagrant cargo
Ladder ist nothing compared to owl
pearl stratus
Contenders or up for me to give a fuck about you.
vagrant cargo
Especialy on EU
jagged crater
seagull actually got back to 50% winrate with sym
because sym does require some knowledge, not even seagull can learn him overnight like that
vagrant cargo
Dafran himself Said SBB is the best Tracer in a clip
vagrant niche
humble
pearl stratus
SBB is the best tracer because he plays it way too different from other tracers
So he tends to smash them
vagrant cargo
He can create space
Hes pretty much the only DPS that can create space Like a Tank
And still kill stuff
jagged crater
SBB's tracking is good enough to take on the best tracers even without his crazy playstyle
vagrant cargo
Yes
pearl stratus
You know whats stupid, to me?
jagged crater
would def not say SBB's tracking is just "ok"
pearl stratus
The Tracer that got closest to SBB's style was Jake. Probably since SBB was teaching him for a chunk XD
But that sentence just makes me sad.
vagrant niche
people just give Jake too much shit for the memes
pearl stratus
I mean.
He's working with the Olympic Committee right now.
Guys smart.
Gotta give him that.
vagrant cargo
Problem is that His aim etc where dogshit compared to League tracers
vagrant niche
what is he going to do? cast?
pearl stratus
No clue. I'm not following him.
I just know he's in Sweden working with the IoC right now.
jagged crater
jake's getting the seagull treatment from competitive community i feel like
vagrant cargo
He wrote some articles for OWL
jagged crater
by that i mean "aim's not good enough for OWL, therefore would be better off as an analyst"
vagrant cargo
@jagged crater tbh nowadays seagull gets insanely overhyped
jagged crater
not nowadays
vagrant cargo
Hes xrazy good
jagged crater
before
vagrant niche
please just replace Dumbz and put Zip on desk
jagged crater
before seagull got into OWL
vagrant cargo
Ik
pearl stratus
Eh, I think the wrong things get Overhyped.
jagged crater
many people were questioning whether his mechanics were good enough
pearl stratus
Koreans have always hyped Seagull, but they did it because he's a brain player.
And Koreans respect the fuck out of smart players.
vagrant cargo
Ppl actually think His Dva is the best in the League
jagged crater
it's the same exact thing with jake
vagrant niche
Seagull is charismatic
pearl stratus
His D'va is up there, but not because he's better than other D'vas.
vagrant cargo
And good IGL
pearl stratus
He's just smarter than them.
vagrant cargo
His Dva is good
vagrant niche
he's always happy and cheerful, he has great image
vagrant cargo
But Not even top 3
jagged crater
jakes's a lil more negative tho, his personality is not as likeable as seagull's
vagrant niche
i'm happy he went aganst the stupid reddit circlejerk about private profiles
pearl stratus
Well Jake has a history of being toxic.
vagrant cargo
Just overhyped atm imo
pearl stratus
But I will admit he cleaned that up really fast once OWL launched.
pearl stratus
Well yeah,he wants to be on the desk or casting some day.
Gotta fix that PR.
And since he's a good looking, well spoken kid he's perfect for all their publicity.
jagged crater
honestly, would like to see how he does as a flex player too
pearl stratus
I'd honestly like to see him paired into a different team.
Houston fell into the trap of "Build around Linkzr" (for good reason).
And Jake ended up on a LOT of heroes.
You can't go from a small hero pool to Libero in one season.
No matter who you are.
pearl stratus
His soldier suffered, his Tracer got better, his Hanzo got REALLY good.
vagrant cargo
His Genji/Pharah decent
pearl stratus
I think his soldier in OWWC last year was better than we saw in OWL.
vagrant cargo
Yes
pearl stratus
Because he dropped playing it for a long time.
vagrant cargo
Definetely
pearl stratus
Which is expected.
vagrant cargo
Stage 1 His Soldier also was good
vagrant niche
Soldier got buffed
jagged crater
and soldier dropped out of meta completely, so no reason to practice him
pearl stratus
It's a minor buff, its bigger for McCree.
vagrant cargo
Harrys Soldier was sick
jagged crater
neptuno and harry are basically DPS players on mercy
pearl stratus
But I think if Houston wasn't playing so much round robin with Linkzr/Jake pools we could have seen a lot more refinement
From both of them.
vagrant cargo
Ye
vagrant cargo
Shaz is the best Western Zen that's still a DPS Kappa
pearl stratus
They're both like 4400+ DPS.
It was funny, someone tried to argue that Jjonak was screwed if Zen ever gets a major nerf.
And I don't think the person has ever seen Jonak play DPS.
Because his DPS is scarier than his Zen, imo.
pearl stratus
Jjonak is legit the second best Widow on NYXL.
vagrant cargo
After SBB?
vagrant niche
Pine number 1
pearl stratus
For Value, Stage 3/4 Pine is the best, overall. But consistency can be lacking.
vagrant cargo
Pine is Just mechanically good
jagged crater
pine is the OG widow god
vagrant cargo
His Positioning Errors are getting corrected by His Team
pearl stratus
Pine is useful because he doesn't need warm up, and is liable to pop off with no reason.
vagrant cargo
He gets Really much space tho
pearl stratus
Well yeah, his tanks enable the hell out of all of their dps.
jagged crater
sbb's widow is no slouch either
pearl stratus
No, but Jonaks Widow is most likely better.
vagrant cargo
SBBs Playstyle is less risky
jagged crater
totally capable of reaching pine levels himself
vagrant cargo
And fits the Team better tbh
pearl stratus
Watching Jonak beat an aimbot in Widow duels was hilarious.
jagged crater
but jjonak is better off on zen because no one else can play zen as good as him
pearl stratus
Yeah the point was more if they completely dumpster Zen.
You move Anamo to support.
And you've got a fourth DPS in Jonak.
pearl stratus
Anything I've seen him play has been at top caliber levels.
vagrant niche
Zen is just op, i been saying this before the Mercy rework but nobody agrees with me
discord is just literally overpowered
pearl stratus
It's a hard line because he's only OP if your team makes you so.
pearl stratus
Yeah, tell that to 98% of hte players.
vagrant niche
that's how I always thought of it
pearl stratus
Including a bunch in OWL.
vagrant niche
naw, some folks actually do try to work as a team
pearl stratus
Trying doesn't matter.
vagrant niche
i can speak from my experience
pearl stratus
Succeeding matters.
jagged crater
zen's been meta for a looooong time
pearl stratus
Jjonak would not be the same OP on different teams.
He'd still be good, don't get me wrong.
But if you put Jjonak to like..
Seoul?
It'd be a VERY different Zen you see.
vagrant cargo
He wouldnt frag that much
He wouldt Position him self that aggresive
Cause Seoul is a Trash Team
pearl stratus
The hands down best two players on NYXL in my opinion
jagged crater
basically since triple tank ana/lucio meta ended, zen would take over ana's place
pearl stratus
Are Mano and Meko.
jagged crater
that was year and a half ago
pearl stratus
Because the space, peel and comfort they afford that team is astronomical.
jagged crater
almost 2 years
vagrant cargo
^
pearl stratus
Hell you can ever see it in the Western teams.
Coolmatt and Muma do the same thing, for weaker dps+zen, and you can see the impact.
OWL was all about tanks.
Now half those tanks are a problem lol. Because aggro tanks just get arrowed.
pearl stratus
Winston, D'va, Hammond.
jagged crater
lol people were sick of dive after 2 years of it
pearl stratus
1800 HP coming at your face.
vagrant niche
i love that character so much
jagged crater
but then brigitte finally brought something different, they were sick of brigitte in a month
pearl stratus
Hammond actually manages decently well against Brig.
If you're good with Piledriver.
pearl stratus
I think it needs to be out for two months.
jagged crater
his shield gen should be getting nerfed next
pearl stratus
The problem is people always want a nerf without anyone intelligent playing against it.
Which is dumb as fuck.
jagged crater
on seagull's hammond stream w/ devs, they even thought they shield gen was a bit much because he can basically dive into a 6 man and escape everytime
pearl stratus
You either need one of two things.
You lower the shield gen.
Or you allow the shields to gen ult charge.
Because the latter makes it a very big risk to dive like that.
Since you'd be feeding a LOT of ult.
vagrant niche
he's pretty good vs hammond
pearl stratus
He's pretty shit versus everything else though
vagrant niche
Soon made it work on s3
stage sorry
time to start smacking those big dive tanks and have Brigitte help you out
while tanks protect you from snipers etc
tired pier
ruby pendant
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
tight vault
usa throwing
balmy wolf
The great jebait
jagged crater
wait it says phi vs bos twice in one day
cerulean plume
In case they tie they'll play a third series of maps
It's actually kind of nice they made it like this
That way the better team is actually selected
And not the team that is good at 3 maps or so
vestal berry
I’m thinking Boston is gonna take this one
modest elbow
egg boyyyyy
vagrant cargo
x Doubt @vestal berry
upper niche
lol they put an electromagnet on the stand for the MVP trophy? 😄
drowsy fulcrum
come on philly
drowsy fulcrum
don't care big boy boombox is in there
wank to team ikea
shadowburn what r u doin
candid cedar
drowsy fulcrum
@candid cedar shadowburn being knockoff dancing Shaggy from Scooby Doo
vestal berry
Hmm discord won’t seem to work on pc, I’m not seeing any new messages on there
Only on mobile
upper niche
@candid cedar What's wrong with the stream?
drowsy fulcrum
@upper niche shadowburn was boogieing
vestal berry
mmm that seemed to fix it, thanks
worn hornet
OK boston get your shit together
so is he actually playing for team Sweden in the WC?
vestal berry
im still trying to burn that shadowburn section out of my mind
worn hornet
(you mean for everyone watching on TV)
vestal berry
tv? this is on tv now?
tawny sigil
here goes for 4 hours of boston v philly
final river
im gonna see play offs on the 20th anyone else going?
drowsy fulcrum
I wish I could but unfortuantely I'm getting fucked just watching this match
1 AM Life
tawny sigil
40k view, so hype
final river
stream is lagging like crazy
glacial glen
How do people make esports overwatch teams?
worn hornet
weird. I wasn't receiving messages here
glacial glen
...
tawny sigil
even this chat is dead
vestal berry
yeah i wasnt either, you need to restart your discord
glacial glen
Cool just ignore me totally then that’s nice
worn hornet
but nobody who's affected will see that to have the fix
drowsy fulcrum
Fusion of deez nuts
hollow current
Does anyone have a link for jeffpacito?
vestal berry
people make overwatch teams with millions of dollars and complicated logistics
hollow current
or the real name of the song
worn hornet
for OWL I believe it's a $20 million US buy-in
tawny sigil
ill never understand why they make those midroll 10fps
glacial glen
Oof
drowsy fulcrum
FUCK YEAH BOOMBOX
worn hornet
no idea how Contenders or the WC work
drowsy fulcrum
I'm getting a Boombox jersey for the WC
vestal berry
no neptuno huh
forest raven
Buy in for season 2 is most likely to increase to between 40 and 60 mil
glacial glen
How do players get that much money...
forest raven
It's not players
worn hornet
that's for a team
forest raven
It's organisations that sign players
vestal berry
players get hired by the orginizations
worn hornet
for a player you "just" have to get discovered so somebody signs you
glacial glen
That’s flipping crazy...
vestal berry
k
drowsy fulcrum
OW will pick up in 2 years if blizzard manage to keep it going for that time
worn hornet
it's basically the same as every traditional pro sports league
glacial glen
So does somebody else pay for your team and name?
drowsy fulcrum
if the Asian Games pick it up it'll be borderline an olympic sport
glacial glen
And then they make cool exclusive skins for each character for your team?
drowsy fulcrum
FUCK OFF ARE SEMMLER AND HEX CASTING THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
vestal berry
the overwatch developers make the skins for the teams
glacial glen
With that 20 million dollars?
drowsy fulcrum
I mean
vestal berry
they do a lot of things with the money
glacial glen
Wait, so how do organisations find you for this and help you put together a team
drowsy fulcrum
they rent out a huge fucking arena, advertise, get on TV, possibly be involved in the 2020 Olympics, run world cups, Season2 will be travelling the world, shipping players over, etc
tawny sigil
this chat gave up on life?
glacial glen
Is that what competitive is for?
worn hornet
I wouldn't be surprised if they've got $50 mil in broadcasting infrastructure
glacial glen
you rise in the ranks and get noticed as a player with pro skill?
worn hornet
more or less. Also streaming helps since it's more publicity
glacial glen
No?
drowsy fulcrum
very few were picked up through competitive mode
worn hornet
to get noticed just out of playing comp you'd have to run into someone who knows someone who recommends you
glacial glen
Hm
tawny sigil
there we go
drowsy fulcrum
if you just play competitive you'll never get picked up, join an actual team and an amateur league and you miiiight get somewhere
glacial glen
Ok
tawny sigil
i thought it was weird
glacial glen
How do I join a team?
hollow leaf
As in all professional careers, it's who you know, not what you know/what you do.
glacial glen
Almost level 25, so I can start the ranked matches
worn hornet
as someone who doesn't play much comp and is more or less low gold I know I've got no hope
glacial glen
xD
drowsy fulcrum
wait until you're at least level 100 until you play ranked
glacial glen
Before I play ranked?
drowsy fulcrum
just because you can play at 25 doesn't mean you should, you'll just reinforce your negative playstyles jumping in that early
glacial glen
Do you mean before I even start it?
glacial glen
Do you play on the Eu bloke?
drowsy fulcrum
aye
worn hornet
I'm not even 200. I've still got a lot to learn, but I at least feel somewhat competent on a few heroes
drowsy fulcrum
do you want to know how to onetrick Torb because that's all i really do
glacial glen
I want to play the game well
worn hornet
I always wondered...when you're one-tricking, what do you do when someone beats you to it?
glacial glen
And learn everything I need to, to eventually maybe even become pro xD
drowsy fulcrum
not many people beat me to torb but I usually flex
I'm good with a wide hero pool
I just really like Torb
worn hornet
I'm typically a D.va/Winston/Hog
glacial glen
For the last time, IM SWEDISH!
forest raven
Discussion of the game please, boys
glacial glen
I usually play soldier, junk rat, lucio and maybe hanso now and then... I play a little of the other games too
vagrant niche
I wonder why SADO is still playing today 
worn hornet
more on topic, Boston's looking better than Wednesday at least
drowsy fulcrum
I'm not liking this not-Zen Boombox
drowsy fulcrum
he's my little zen boy why is he not playing zen
forest raven
Talking about improving =/= becoming a pro player, please move general OW discussion to #overwatch or #overwatch-serious this channel is for the match
glacial glen
K
worn hornet
Frankly I might have a temp ban for what I did after playing like Boston did on Wed's payloads
sinful heron
Boston look real good
drowsy fulcrum
god I fucking hate semmler
"mistakes will be able to hold on!" - mistakes dies halfway through the word "mistakes"
worn hornet
the #castercurse is real
worn hornet
I mean, at least they made them do it in OT this time
they don't have 4 fucking minutes left
drowsy fulcrum
3-0 MORE LIKE FREE-0
worn hornet
it's like being a Pats fan in the 90s all over again with these playoffs
hollow leaf
Dear lord Boston, learn to close
frosty forge
Owl wants esports to be a serious sport but them they let owl air on disney xd 
worn hornet
to be fair, they also got game 1 of the finals on ESPN one
frosty forge
thats like 2 espsn away from the ocho
vestal berry
single healer comp, ok lets see this
vestal berry
i mean, not usually with dva right?
vestal berry
especially since hanzo is almost required, getting some zarya charge beforehand might be useful
worn hornet
I don't like these wide views because I can't tell who ripped the tire
drowsy fulcrum
Zarya on Pirate Ship
frosty forge
vestal berry
striker just made carpe do nothing for the fight
worn hornet
picking that dual seems to have worked out pretty well
drowsy fulcrum
yeah D.Va is less confusing than like
Zarya
D.Va is kinda unorthodox pirate ship but it can work, esp. in double sniper meta
vestal berry
nice shot from mistakes
worn hornet
I should get a Neko jersey
drowsy fulcrum
I'm buying a Team UK Boombox jersey
worn hornet
as an occasional Zen main and Bastion lover
supple prism
nice body blocking
worn hornet
this is honestly the longest I've ever seen a pirate ship last at this level
vestal berry
his ult put his head behind cover
tawny sigil
1:00
worn hornet
this is a team that learned from what they saw in the first match
tawny sigil
lets see if its was 0:59,99 ot 1:00,01
worn hornet
oh is that the difference between philly getting a push?
hollow leaf
This is quite literally Super Bowl LII all over again. Absolutely no defense.
worn hornet
I know right
they're Bob Kraft's last hope this year
I need to play more comp...and maybe be less drunk
pls stop with the pirate speak dude
worn hornet
is it me or are they using the overhead cam a lot more today?
drowsy fulcrum
they've been watching the world cup
worn hornet
I'm thinking maybe because it's easier to follow for someone watching on cable who may not be familiar with the game
tawny sigil
all those baby boomers watching OWL on cable
vestal berry
boom or bust comps incoming
drowsy fulcrum
what is mistake's tattoo that's too rude for OWL?
worn hornet
wait what?
drowsy fulcrum
yo is that T R I P L E T A N K
tawny sigil
all 10 of them going "what the frick is this Berta?"
drowsy fulcrum
@worn hornet he has a tat sleeve
worn hornet
I hope it's literally Ana's teabag spray....aww
what is he the only one with long sleeves?
vestal berry
ooph 50% time used
vestal berry
if you dont hit riptire, were taken out the fight for no reason
drowsy fulcrum
carpe nooooo
heady idol
just started watching (had dinner), match looks closer than the other day?
worn hornet
yeah Boston looks way more prepared this time
heady idol
nice
worn hornet
Kept Philly's finish to OT instead of 4 minutes in the bank
drowsy fulcrum
put daddy boom back on zen
fleet walrus
That match was awesome
vestal berry
those statistics are so out of character for carpe
brisk roost
WOOOOHOOOOOO
worn hornet
I think they were expecting a tracer
vestal berry
neko neko neee
fleet walrus
They kinda have the same team idea
worn hornet
BOOP
worn hornet
I don't know that there's anyone in the league I don't like when they're not in a match
warped axle
Please bench Hotba and Sado
tawny sigil
They added a enemy lucio ult line finally?
fleet walrus
Dang that Rally tho
worn hornet
that's been in for a few patches now
I think he's just saying the same thing in Portugese
vestal berry
gamsu?
fleet walrus
If you buy the skins does everything change to that color as shown?
Or is that only for those players
worn hornet
I think that's only for the broadcast
fleet walrus
Makes sense
worn hornet
and I don't love it because I can't tell which beam Mercy's using
fleet walrus
Two tracers now
vestal berry
yeah bby
fleet walrus
Dang
heady idol
getting shit on by tracer is tilting me and I'm not even playing
tawny sigil
is the 3rd match tonight or tommorow?
hollow leaf
Is this the same team from Wednesday?
worn hornet
Would they get a break before game 3 or is it immediately after this one?
fleet walrus
I’m so happy Tracer was useful
worn hornet
it's tonight if needed
bold bough
man, watching the league after playing with no cooldows+ns
worn hornet
LAG/LSF have theirs tomorrow
fleet walrus
Spider-Man ad what no
bold bough
it feels a bit slower
tawny sigil
coka cola add
fleet walrus
I love the Overwatch league dang
tawny sigil
i dont drink coka cola... im canadian
tawny sigil
pepsi
frozen crown
omg, a freaking add started playing. What was that thing there with the spotify
hazy arrow
wtf Philly. Wake up
worn hornet
or don't.
balmy wolf
:B:oston
hazy arrow
rather i do, its better if we have actually good teams in semifinals
worn hornet
honestly I'd rather see a Boston win than a properly amazing match
fleet walrus
Idk who’ll win
balmy wolf
fleet walrus
Prolly
worn hornet
⬆
balmy wolf
2 caps
hazy arrow
balmy wolf
one more cap and its gg ez
worn hornet
I mean if Philly wins they're just going out in the semis anyway
because let's be honest whoever has to play NYXL is done
hazy arrow
Unless you are Valiant or Aero's Dallas Fuel
tawny sigil
kinda fucked up that they do 2 match in a row instead of tommorow
balmy wolf
heady idol
"it's all about snipers"
yes it is. Yes it is
worn hornet
Is "all your custom emoji everywhere" still part of Nitro?
tawny sigil
sniper... game basically turned into csgo 2.0 with random ass character fighting on the side
balmy wolf
yes
hazy arrow
whats Nitro?
worn hornet
I should get it and add a bunch of ridiculous shit to my personal server
tawny sigil
puckit
worn hornet
honestly I wish they offered "nitro servers" as an alternative to the individual version
balmy wolf
@worn hornet what does that mean
tawny sigil
sounds a little too elitist
worn hornet
give all the benefits to everyone in the server on that server or something
worn hornet
not nitro-only servers, servers with extra benefits
maybe give higher audio bitrate options, too
tawny sigil
well its already high enough
supple prism
a factor here today
near hamlet
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worn hornet
are those disney/espn ads or is my adblocker doing serious work tonight?
hazy arrow
♥
heady idol
This Toyato Ad was brought to you by Cheez-Its. 
vagrant cargo
tawny sigil
wtf was that about... i missed that
worn hornet
I was getting cake to soak up the liquor. what'd I miss?
Yeah just like Rocky 1
Isn't Boston like 11-2 on map 5s though?
though I suppose in playoffs that means less because it's not always control point
feral wing
POKO
feral wing
