come on dallas
#esports-discussion
north tendon
it should be
quasi stump
I bought fuel brigitte skin for mickie 
quasi stump
dive with brigitte lol
north tendon
OGE
quasi stump
but hey it's working
median coyote
YES
minor flame
gr
median coyote
OK. They have almost 5 mins
fast basin
Just like Philly
minor flame
"surely"
north tendon
OOOOH
fast basin
this is JUST like philly
median coyote
MAYBE. JUST MAYBE
fast basin
Same distance
solid canyon
this right now is a multi meta.....
minor flame
this is just like NYXL v Philly Stage 2
quasi stump
there something wrong with me saying surely?
fast basin
this is just like Dallas VS Philly on this Gibraltar
minor flame
philly made it to like
fast basin
Philly made it that same distance
minor flame
lol
fast basin
literally same place
north tendon
COME ON DALLAS
minor flame
agilities doomfist
north tendon
BURN BLUE
minor flame
vs mickie brig
north tendon
THIS IS YOUR GAME
minor flame
we lost when Shidou said OGE IS NOT A COWARD
coarse willow
AYYY WISCONSIN
minor flame
so i vote for a mute on Shidou
median coyote
Second
coarse willow
THATS WHERE I LIVE
ruby pendant
If Fuel wins, they make Stage playoffs?
minor flame
yes
solid canyon
YES
ruby pendant
k, makes sense why they trying so hard
solid canyon
they will need map 5
ruby pendant
wasn't sure
north tendon
SHOULD BE EASY
pearl stratus
They won't make playoffs if they go to 5.
Because they'll tie Houstons record, and lost to Houston.
north tendon
agilities throwing for dallas
tardy prairie
D:
pearl stratus
It's literally this map, or go home.
solid canyon
LAV pls C9
solid canyon
pls C9
quasi stump
LOL
quasi stump
THIS IS IT
median coyote
GG
quasi stump
HORY SHET
north tendon
OH YEAH
minor flame
akm actually being useful
azure harbor
median coyote
Where were you when Dallas broke the streak
ruby pendant
nice
minor flame
if you told me 5 months ago
fast basin
NAISU
solid canyon
yessssssssssss
north falcon
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO
north tendon
HGOLY SHIT
solid canyon
fk kyky
minor flame
Dallas would break a flawless streak
north falcon
north tendon
CONGRATS HONESTLY
north falcon
minor flame
I would laugh
north falcon
ruby pendant
lol they hype
solid canyon
FK KYKY
tardy prairie
is that the mystery dungeon wigglytuff D:
minor flame
if you told me 5 days ago, that Dallas would beat LAV
fast basin
If you told me 6 months ago the Fuel would beat the Valiant, I'd have said hell yeah. Now 5 months ago, that's a different story.
minor flame
i would laugh
worn hornet
Thanks for spoiling,
Love,
north tendon
still not playoffs?
fast basin
Well
north falcon
OMFG
north tendon
DID REIN LIE TO ME
fast basin
and then has to beat Dallas in a special tie breaker series
so unless Philly 4-0s London, we're in the Playoffs
median coyote
Shit
minor flame
i doubt Philly 4-0s london
pearl stratus
Depends how hard Carpe clutches.
median coyote
I also doubted Dallas 3-1 Valiant
pearl stratus
London's basically the new Seoul.
fast basin
wait 4-0 passes Us, 3-0 ties, 3-1 stays behind
north falcon
3-0 Dallas advances because Dallas beat Philly head to head
pearl stratus
Philly hasn't played well enough this stage for it to be probable though.
But it is possible.
north falcon
Yeah
fast basin
OOF Valiant lost 1st place seed
north tendon
so all it takes is philly losing one map?
fast basin
locked in second
north falcon
Is the game tomorrow
north tendon
lmao the pressure
north falcon
Yup
minor flame
oh boy
pearl stratus
Just to remove Dallas right away.
minor flame
O H B O Y
sullen berry
north falcon
Tomorrow 4pm est
sullen berry
Wow twitch
north tendon
oge was insane
sullen berry
So humble
solid canyon
lul
minor flame
NYXL didnt have Fuel this stage
sullen berry
I literally woke up to Dallas getting point 4
minor flame
so itll be interesting
north tendon
did you sleep through that beauty
north falcon
I'm so happy
fast basin
Gibraltar last round
minor flame
Seagull and OGE were saviours
sullen berry
Could not have asked for a better soon on Dallas Fuel
north tendon
unforgivable
supple prism
lol NYXL still has same map differential as VAL
pearl stratus
I mean realistically whatever team gets teh fourth spot is going to be removed right away.
So its not like it matters.
pearl stratus
Because I pretty much gaurantee LAG is going to play LAV for the first round.
fast basin
Houston can't beat us
pearl stratus
So fourth team is playing NYXL.
fast basin
Houston is confirmed to be behind us
minor flame
by 1 point my dude
pearl stratus
Which means the fourth team is going to lose right away.
sullen berry
@north tendon I've slept through all game 3s because I'm super sick and zzzy
minor flame
like jeez
sullen berry
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heady idol
god I hate how COW pretends it's not overwhelmingly pro Dallas Fuel. Just admit they are the fan favorites and stop this "Wahh I'm a minority everyone bullies me" shit. PJSalt
minor flame
what?
north tendon
ah, get better soon
pearl stratus
Eh I'm more confused that people magically think this means Dallas is good.
sullen berry
๐๐ป @self
pearl stratus
It's just a meta shift. With the Brig nerfs coming in right after its not like they'll stay amazing.
north falcon
Ikr
pearl stratus
Well you can think that.
minor flame
if stage 4 was current meta
minor flame
it would be weird
north falcon
I honestly don't give a fuck if ny stomps them in the playoffs. As long as they make it
pearl stratus
Aero is a great coach, don't get me wrong.
pearl stratus
But its 98% meta.
north falcon
Akm deserves a lot if credit
north falcon
He lived up tonthr pressure
pearl stratus
EnvyUS has a year and a half proof of being good at tanky metas.
north falcon
Ye
pearl stratus
And shit at everything else.
north tendon
yeah because just picking brig is how you win
pearl stratus
It's just historical.
fast basin
...
north tendon
thats why shd is winning
minor flame
what
fast basin
Endoken, did they not win Contenders in the Dive Meta
pearl stratus
I mean that was contenders NA.
Not to be fickle about it, but it wasn't like they did well in dive against a Korean team.
gaunt acorn
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HELLO, KYKY? ๐ DALLAS HERE ๐ WE MIGHT MAKE IT TO A STAGE PLAYOFF ๐ NO THANKS TO YOU THOUGH
solid canyon
lul
minor flame
my favorite is the Custa double agent phone call
solid canyon
NA?
pearl stratus
North America. Western teams.
solid canyon
lul
pearl stratus
In general the west was way behind on the meta shift into dive.
solid canyon
seagull
fast basin
so you're saying a small concentration of players in Korea is purely the meta and everyone else in the world is late?
minor flame
i dont think Korea and the West are the only population in the world
pearl stratus
I'm saying showing up to a meta that stayed for 18 months six months late is noticeable.
median coyote
I mean, dive went on to dominate the meta so
solid canyon
feels bad DF is still in bottom 3
solid canyon
I feel bad for them
pearl stratus
I don't. I feel bad for Florida.,
supple prism
then there is mayhem
minor flame
will this 0-40 make into the esports history?
pearl stratus
Because Florida had no corruption issues, no major giant language barriers.
supple prism
no one talks about mayhem much
pearl stratus
They didn't have people quit and go home.
Didn't fire a coach.
And they're still shit.
solid canyon
Geguri deserves a better team
pearl stratus
To me Florida is arguably the worst team in the league, because they have no excuse.
And if you remove Shanghai they'd have 3 total wins.
solid canyon
Geguri is a very good player, she is just getting dragged down by her team
minor flame
Not really
solid canyon
yes
minor flame
Shanghai is like 6 gm players in solo q
Geguri also needs to improve on her playstyle
more so on the
peel side
of things
pearl stratus
On individual levels Shanghai has solid players across the board, Freefeel being the weakest.
Ado is still one of the best Genjis in the league and comes up with some plays that are just baffling.
Diya, while inconsistent, is probably a top 5 Widow when he's on the ball.
Diya is basically a better Taimou, who can play other heroes.
sullen berry
Freefeel somehow making his plays known only recently
ruby pendant
yeah it's potential, but Dragons still don't play good
pearl stratus
It's not that he's magically super horrible. he just has bafflingly stupid positioning sometimes, and gets ditched by tanks in others.
sullen berry
That's a sign of an IRS (inconsistent Rawkus) Syndrome
pearl stratus
Rawkus, Chipsajen, Freefeel. They all have it.
pearl stratus
Do you remember the NYXL Dallas match where SBB basically got an apartment in Dallas backline?
ruby pendant
It's about time Dragon win 1 game
pearl stratus
And would pop out in the morning for the paper and to kill Chips?
Rent was amazingly cheap apparently.
Because he moved in with no issues.
sullen berry
You might think the defensive healers are the least cohesive part of each team
ruby pendant
0-40 isn't good
sullen berry
I want to see Boombox and Neptuno pop off
pearl stratus
The saving grace is that they have no investors they have to give a fuck about.
Versus an org like Florida.
Which is poor as shit.
sullen berry
But we won't get those season 2 plays on a returning LondonSpitfire
ruby pendant
@pearl stratus why is Florida bad?
pearl stratus
Have you never watched them play?
minor flame
lol
pearl stratus
They have the two worst supports in the league with one solid DPS player (Saya) and two streaky ones.
ruby pendant
mean like poor
pearl stratus
Oh, I just meant they don't have the capital to be a losing team.
They need their investors.
sullen berry
No they're asking how being poor or why Florida geographically isn't good
I could say any place is poor
What makes FL any different
pearl stratus
So the biggest downside to being a losing team is you lose sponsors and you lose financial backing.
As an org that can be make or break your longevity.
Shanghai, despite being 0-40, is owned by the company that distributes Blizzard games in China and has an owner who is worth like 16 billion on his own.
The need for outside sponsors doesn't exist.
he can sustain without it.
minor flame
to the owner of Tencent, Shanghai is just pocket money
sullen berry
And if you've invested in Shanghai in some way, then they win basically despite being called out as a joke in the CompOW community
pearl stratus
I mean its more that they don't need any investment.
sullen berry
not if they invested in the merchandise and not the player's success
pearl stratus
Florida did recently get the pairing with Miami Heat, but that was a little late imo.
Since people stopped caring about them already.
minor flame
its pretty sad for me though
HK heritage + lived in Florida my entire life
my own 2 teams are shite
pearl stratus
While I want Shanghai to get a win I think they'll always do well overall because despite the fact they lose they're usually always fun to watch.
north tendon
it can get better like with dallas
just supports need adjusting
and tviq needs more consistency
pearl stratus
Florida is Supports, DPS and Tanks.
Awesomeguy is not awesome.
And his backup is Cwoosh.
pearl stratus
Cwoosh is pretty bad.
He got better when they got a Korean coach.
But its also not his role.
Cwoosh iirc was historically a flex.
Mannetin is probably their most consistent player, overall, minus Saya's Widow.
He reminds me a lot of Nevixx. This guy put on D'va who just gets shit done.
sullen berry
And somehow I don't think the Organizations at the bottom tier have the expendable income (barring investors who care) to add much more to the rosters like paying a qualified coach
pearl stratus
Shanghai needs to replace their coach, they lost another one.
sullen berry
Smh
pearl stratus
Though I have no clue how Rui was coaching with his disease.
Thats just fucking balls of steel.
Rui was coaching and the dude has a degenerative spinal disease.
sullen berry
It's like their coaches can't speak either Korean, Chinese or English well enough to carry them their first win
pearl stratus
I can't even imagine the amount of pain he's in daily.
sullen berry
/s
north tendon
so are they actually going to start with a fresh roster for next season?
I think that would be bad
sullen berry
They have the money to throw this team aside
minor flame
Shanghai I think is staying rebranded or not for the next season
minor flame
the roster is entirely dependant though
except for the fact that
they said its gonna be all chinese
though i dont recall the source
pearl stratus
If I remember correctly the korean players actually tested really high in China. People like them, a lot.
So they don't have a reason to replace everyone unless they just wanted to.
sullen berry
!Spoilers
north tendon
popularity wise yeah
sullen berry
@pearl stratus oh the madmen might just do it
I read an unrelated article about Asians flaunting their dosh on things
north tendon
if only they could have been a proper miraculous youngsters roster
major feelsbad
wanted to see myleave
sullen berry
Wouldn't surprise me if somebody think this is flexing to have their own Chinese Franchise in the OW League that has great ROI for being an underdog team
Literally sabotaging players success
And still gaining fans
pearl stratus
I think 6 months off, as well, have a chance to basically completely fix the language barriers issues if they keep at it.
sullen berry
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pearl stratus
Three languages that have nothing in common are probably not fun to learn.
north tendon
it just frustrates me more than anything how terrible freefreel can play though
pearl stratus
Since Chinese and Korean share literally nothing, and english is honestly stupid as fuck for a foreign person to learn.
north tendon
its like hes not reviewing mistakes at all
sullen berry
It really depends on how the Korean half of the roster will take it
north tendon
some very elementary stuff
pearl stratus
I think they found a good middle ground in which the Chinese players picked up some Korean too.
sullen berry
Either they have seen their efforts and give up while they're ahead
pearl stratus
Then you get Altering, the only person who understands all three languages.
sullen berry
Or take the SF Shock model and imgrain them into the team long enough to pop off legit
pearl stratus
I think if they get a legit coach they'll be fine.
north tendon
I think architect has been a huge reason why shock is doing so well
dude's crazy
but crusty too yeah
pearl stratus
Stage 4 fucked them because when Rui left they had no translation for the first four games.
Which makes vod review kind of hard lol
sullen berry
I want proof that replacing their support line with better Chinese players will fix their issues
pearl stratus
I mean their is no proof, because look realistically look at their games.
sullen berry
Otherwise it's Diya and his Korean Gwai-lous
pearl stratus
When they sit Freefeel for Sky, who was on MY like everyone wants, its not better.
north tendon
people are being too harsh on freefeel, but you cant help but notice the inexcusable basic mistakes his zen does regularly
sullen berry
Their team meetings be like a game of pictionary
pearl stratus
Whether Sky just gets stage fright, or its more to do with language than we think, Sky doesn't magically show up and replace all the problems.
north tendon
its just one of those things you cant afford to do
pearl stratus
He just makes his own.
I think 50% of Freefeels issue is having a tank line he can barely communicate with still.
When Zen probably needs the most communication because if you're not Jjonak you're an easy target.
You have no escapes, no mobility.
You throw balls and pray.
north tendon
yeah thats true
pearl stratus
I think 20% of it is lack of pocket when he's in the shit, too.
north tendon
just some of those fucking trans timings
pearl stratus
When Bani started pocketing Rawkus more when he got dove, it fixed a lot of things.
north tendon
like what the fuck is his game sense
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Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 4
pearl stratus
But Altering is all over the map healing, and misses a chunk of pockets.
north tendon
yeah its definitely partly a cohesion issue
north tendon
its sadly less obvious to tell, because you wont hear comms
pearl stratus
But I don't think they're that much more than Rawkus or Chipsajen.
He just gets way more shit than they do.
north tendon
theres probably a lot of guessing and that hurts in a fast paced game like OW
yeah I suppose
cant remember chip doing well
rawk is 50/50
pearl stratus
He hasn't done well at all in OWL so far, imo.
Or Zuppeh, if you want a better comparison.
sullen berry
All non English rosters have the advantage of not having comms leaked about their internals that often
pearl stratus
Freefeel is on par/slightly better than Florida's supports lol
north tendon
with zuppeh's owl entrance
sullen berry
Either because of the cultural differences in the org
north tendon
it feels strange how hes performing in comparison
pearl stratus
Zuppeh has way more questionable trans in my book, as well.
sullen berry
Or just the fact we can't get that much Intel from the players the same way other teams are offering to share
pearl stratus
Either way, for me, at the end of the day.
Shanghai is always fun to watch.
Especially once overtime hits.
sullen berry
You can't say that Geguri's server is going to offer the same kind of inside info (in English at least heh) as Boombox or Custa's discord servers
sullen berry
It's a scoping thing I'm frustrated by when I want to go deeper into team players
pearl stratus
But she just memes.
north tendon
yeah I enjoy shd specifically because like most people, they have geguri and everyone is thirsty to see them get a win
even owl pros lol
sullen berry
Quality Geguri meme
sullen berry
She can get all the plays, to the same extent as Gamsu
But she ain't paid to be the shotcaller
First OW League skin was that Hanzo Dragons skins
Dragon = Yellow
Dragons = SHD colors
So much diversity in the naming wow
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north tendon
besides the colors looking good, its the special effects exclusive ot owl spectate
so damn good
sullen berry
Okay next Chinese new year
I want to make watching Shanghai dragons playing whoever they get matched up with the most ridiculous drinking game
north tendon
the funny and sad thing about SHD right no
now*
its like all the teams are try harding and playing way too carefully with them
as to not be the meme team to lose to them first
lol
north tendon
lmao
sullen berry
It's just an arbitrary win they can't afford to lose against
sullen berry
Of all 9 teams to have beaten Dragons without hesitation
sullen berry
[SF Shock] is the first team to have lost against them because they were sandbagging and Sinatraa lost his Supreme Hoodie
north tendon
monte is ready for that one
sullen berry
Inb4 Sinatraa chokes and someone messes with Architects game client midgame
north tendon
just incorrect keybindings
sullen berry
north tendon
lol, birdring has been pretty savage in past fuel games though
but thats great, hes keeping his head in the game
the hug with seagull though was cool
balmy wolf
birdring wont let seagull down tomorrow
north tendon
after you put it that way, damn
should I expect seeing seagull and dallas in chat?
that was lulzy when glad needed val to win
asher was like WINGS OUT
sullen berry
"You can do this, Birdring Chan! Do it for your senpai!"
Profit 2018
While pulling fingers at Birdring
supple prism
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
north tendon
b-baka, its not like im hitting those shots for your sake or anything!
sullen berry
Under Blizzard European Data Privacy Laws at least
If Jeff can be cool at plat
I would tolerate Nanzer at silver
sullen berry
2018: Bunny's stats show he has spent 1 hour on all heroes combined except Tracer, so he a one trick.
2019: Florida Mayhem signs guy off street, claims his private profile has average 69.0 K/D ratio on all support heroes per 10 mins
Best player on Mayhem will be Florida Man
sullen berry
Pray for Boom
Shit
I'm torn
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Looking forward to goldenboy's declining vocal performance
Please give goldenboy the player of the desk
Spoilers during rerun: IREMIX PLAYED
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sullen berry
@silk linden desk has confirmed they can't drop a map against London for Dallas to secure their stage playoffs spot
Previous two stages indicate that Houston more likely to steal that sweet playoff spot based on fusion's slim chances to go 3-1
Meta aside, without EQO or snillo, they have the mechanical and historical advantage to take the series
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sullen berry
Dallas beat Fusion
Dallas with same map difference doesn't matter But they didn't win against outlaws
ornate flume
So it's whoever gets to the said 4th place first so if they tied, dallas auto wins?
in that sense ๐ค
sullen berry
I believe it's win record that stage
If they didn't play each other all stage then they go to map differential match
That's how they say they would break map ties
ornate flume
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ornate flume
But even if Philly n London go to game 5
and philly wins
they'd still only get 3 map diff points
and get tied with Dallas for the 4th slot
So at that point, Dallas auto wins the 4th slot if philly lets london have one map despite being tied?
sullen berry
According to the panelists, Fuel will NOT make it into the playoffs if Fusion doesn't get the 4-0 against spitfire
So until I charge my phone in the next 3 hours
I will think that one over
ornate flume
๐ค mmk
It's a tough ride for the philly later today
although I really want the fuel to win
silk linden
You know, it's easy to forget given how tight the overall quality of the teams has been lately, but NYXL are truly dominant. I just realized the second team in the league, Valiant, have a +36 map differential. NYXL have +83
ornate flume
Right?
silk linden
That's insane
ornate flume
Doesn't mean that NYXL is not prone to be defeated tho
Any 5 teams can beat NYXL
although it seems to be likely that NYXL will win.
ornate flume
All the teams except Mayhem and Dragons could possibly take a W from them on any possibility of them letting it flip
even a slightest mistake
silk linden
If NYXL don't win stage 4 playoffs, they 1000% win league playoffs
@ornate flume I don't see Seoul or Houston beating NYXL tbh
young grove
!schedule spoilers
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@young grove, We don't want to spoil for everyone... I've sent you a DM with the results
sullen berry
Not playoffs, @ornate flume, your previous comment about NYXL slipping
silk linden
Top two teams in the league have a 7 win difference. The only other two teams with a gap that big are Shanghai and Mayhem
ornate flume
Took me a bit to figure out what you said
but yeah.
Anything could happen in the overall playoffs
silk linden
Basically, Shanghai are worse than anyone else just as much as NYXL are better than anyone else, if you think about it
Although only kinda, since NYXL didn't go 40-0
ornate flume
except Dragon almost beat Mayhem
young grove
Except NYXL did lose a few times
ornate flume
^
young grove
Shanghai just never won
ornate flume
They still lost to few team even before stage 4
young grove
Top 6 teams are pretty close to each other in that sense
silk linden
Yeah, the thing with Shanghai is, you can't go below 0. Otherwise their gap with Mayhem would have been greater than Valiants gap with NYXL
sullen berry
All Dallas needed this stage to fit comfortably into top 4 was not to drop 3 games
It was very doable with that early momentum
ornate flume
I think it's a hard thing for philly to get 4-0 off london
London is still very strong
sullen berry
But that gladiators matchup was a real dealbreaker
ornate flume
Don't remember that game, was it bad for philly?
silk linden
They lost games they should have won still but won games they could have lost
ornate flume
Heard that Carpe was the only one trying to carry
sullen berry
Carpe carries
sullen berry
But you gotta believe that even a fusion uni coach might have had enough Fusion insider knowledge to work for them
silk linden
Dallas v Philadelphia had the most dominant Hanamura win in OWL
young grove
Carpe can't carry by himself
silk linden
With the second fastest 2 point cap and a full hold on defense
ornate flume
Plan leaks to london? ๐
sullen berry
Since stage 1 Dallas on Horizon Attack VS Seoul
silk linden
Most dominant map win ever was Philly vs Mayhem on Oasis, where Mayhem got 0 kills
Over both stages of the map
sullen berry
Glorious game on Sado's part
A shame Zappis never integrated very well into the mayhem during his debut
That last match with Zappis against Spitfire showed slow rolling potential for season 2
silk linden
I heard there have been tensions with him? Like Zebbo doesn't like him. Could be just a trash rumor though
sullen berry
Might be the beard saying shit against the other beard
ornate flume
lul
sullen berry
They're only human, the beards demand they stroke their ego
silk linden
Shame Zebbo can't be OWL level, I always like it when former TF2 glories succeed
Him and clockwork
ornate flume
need players like Pine?
silk linden
Or seagull
silk linden
Seagull was my best boy in TF2 and he's my best boy in OW
sullen berry
It shows that prior TF 2 is not a must have skill, or guarantee consistency
Because tf2
sullen berry
A game with 16 players fragging with No Limits has not a lot transferable competitive skills
silk linden
Also character pool was super small, so you could one trick
ornate flume
TF2 had to react a lot faster because they had much more movements and focus to look for
silk linden
Clockworks scout skill didn't translate to tracer
silk linden
Though I wonder if his Sniper skill would translate to widow
sullen berry
Hats off for trying though, clockwork ๐งข 
silk linden
Though Houston already have one of the best widows in the league, who can also play more than 2 heroes
@ornate flume mcree
sullen berry
Nah don't think clock work one tricks tracer
silk linden
Like iddqd
ornate flume
Did SF even play him one time?
ornate flume
Like god damn, he said that he was gonna play in his stream one time
sullen berry
Just mentions
ornate flume
just to find out he never gets played
silk linden
Hero pool discussion is easy. Have it as big as possible, or be prepared to be benched for entire stages of the meta happens to shift
ornate flume
sullen berry
"It's like you are just signed up to benchwarm" victim #16
ornate flume
Thought I saw Avast play?
silk linden
Some like finnsi have only been picked recently
ornate flume
I could be wrong ๐ค
sullen berry
Seagull Stage 2, Nomy, Grimmreality before coaching, sky, shadowburn...
ornate flume
rip those bench peeps 
sullen berry
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silk linden
Cocco
ornate flume
didn't shadowburn play a lot more often now tho
silk linden
Chips
sullen berry
Have you seen the changes they are making to allow bench players to play in contenders games
ornate flume
Ye
silk linden
Verbo
sullen berry
@ornate flume not really, he just played in stage 4 as a sub
But highly underused
Like Snillo
ornate flume
Do you even see like
sullen berry
Or Silkthread
sullen berry
The biggest benchwarmer lowkey
silk linden
Well Dallas let him roam pretty freely
sullen berry
Let's not forget the other guy that's not KSF
silk linden
Brigitte vs Pharah is a big nope
sullen berry
Valiant juggling their entire roster was going to cause this
We need to make an in memoriam to the players who were subbed out of the main roster permanently
And a very special PSA to the chaps that never played a game on stage
ornate flume
ornate flume
Good to have backups in case of injuries and meta shifts?
sullen berry
Pretty much
ornate flume
but still sucks to be benched for the game
sullen berry
Mickie is basically playing like the best man in the bachelorette
And effect is always giving Mickie a rose for his charm and flex like seagull
ornate flume
Right?
It's like everything aligned for him to play brig
and seagull having knowledge of d.va
sullen berry
Some players I would think have harder times not being on stage
ornate flume
experience*
sullen berry
They just... Observe
sullen berry
That's just incentive to play good enough to warrant starting lineup or substitution material
upper niche
Makes me wonder what will happen if the rumours are true and there's really 6 new teams for Season 2.
sullen berry
Fissure basically in cryosleep
upper niche
Will these players who are good, but getting benched because so is the rest of their team, jump ship to one of those new teams?
sullen berry
Until playoffs start in the next 48 hours
upper niche
I mean, that's 36-72 player contracts available in time for December.
ornate flume
Fissure got food poisoning I heard
sullen berry
Look no further than London Spitfire's player roster
ornate flume
which is why he wasn't playing 
sullen berry
They were already from tight knit teams in GC Busan and Kongdoo Pantera days
sullen berry
So there is enough competition if they have a track record on stage to move or be bough as a free agent if they decide not to extend their contract
upper niche
London skins look sooooo good.
ornate flume
a lot of players is on one year contract
sullen berry
New OW League teams for season 2 get an extra week before the established rosters can sign up free agents
ornate flume
so expect waaaay more than 72 players
upper niche
yeah, for Season 1 it's mostly 1 and 2 year contracts.
They released details today of the programs and contracts for season 2 and beyond, and the signing periods.
ornate flume
but yeah
sullen berry
@ornate flume they're saving him in a hypothetical ice bath before the poison reaches his stomach
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ornate flume
it's gonna be huge for the future with those new rules and whatnot
ye u rite @sullen berry xd
upper niche
The rules are pretty restrictive. I don't think it will change much.
ornate flume
But uhhhhh, speaking of which
upper niche
Players can only do 2 matches across leagues per stage.
ornate flume
How will the ladder work if i'm assuming that it's going to be based in atlantic and pacific seeds
if the said team is uhhhhh
upper niche
God I hope not. I wish they would piss off this pac/atl BS.
upper niche
I want to know what happens if the top seed for one division comes 3rd or even 6th? What seed do they play?
The rules aren't clear.
upper niche
Yeah, that much is clear - it's always set up so its an ATL and PAC team in each semi.
ornate flume
So assuming that each side in the ladder will have 3 teams on each side
NYXL and LAV skipping semi finals
upper niche
but you could end up with a bracket that is 1v(4v5) v (2v3)v6
ornate flume
I don't understand what you're trying to say with that sentence
upper niche
You can end up with some weird permutations of competitors based on including the highest divisional team.
upper niche
I mean say PAC1 was 4th overall, you would have 1v(5v6) v (2v3)v4. That's just weird.
upper niche
seeds, yeah.
upper niche
Like, 2nd and 3rd actually have to play (and win) an extra game over the team who might come 4th.
ornate flume
but...
upper niche
We had a situation a few years ago in the AFL where I think it was the 8th placed team won the premiership ๐
ornate flume
Wouldn't 2v(3v4) be the realistic case?
ornate flume
cause LAV won 2nd, playing against the BYE right off the bat
Still the same case lmao
whoever was the 2nd
gets a BYE
upper niche
Yeah, it hasn't played out crazy silly this season. It's just the way it's written, it could.
TL;DR: I don't like it. Just make it straight top-6./
ornate flume
upper niche
yeah I forgot about LAG - when I ran the numbers a few weeks ago LAG were way further down.
upper niche
It's gonna be interesting if the rumours are true - the rumours being that there's 2 EU teams, 2 NA teams and 2 AsiaPac teams.
Do they put the EU teams in ATL?
upper niche
so better hoppe there's 1 PAC and 1 ATL US team.
ornate flume
I'd assume that's what gonna happen
upper niche
yeah.
upper niche
that'd be cool!
ornate flume
and probably Seattle
upper niche
A friend of mine told me the figures he was quoted to buy in to S2.... noped right out.
ornate flume
50 million USD amirite
upper niche
less.
ornate flume
30?
upper niche
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upper niche
He's got the money for it ๐
ornate flume
not rich enough 
upper niche
it's the franchise terms that were the biggest concern.
ornate flume
better?
upper niche
like... the franchise owners don't actually own as much as you'd think in terms of rights.
upper niche
Activision have wayyyyy more control and say than most sporting league franchises.
upper niche
The relationship between Blizzard, Vivendi, OWL and ActivisionBlizzard is... not straighforward ๐
ornate flume
gotcha
upper niche
I dunno why I included VUP in there, they're not in the picture anymore heh.
ornate flume
off topic lowkey tho, I wanna join OWL or contenders as the first deaf/HoH player
Just gonna have to find a right team and whatnot
upper niche
A group of us randoms that play together occasionally were looking at putting together a shit-and-giggles contenders team.
want, contenders? What's the lowest one?
ornate flume
idk, any tournament/league team that I could join
upper niche
Challengers?
ornate flume
Either way, I'd have to work my way up
upper niche
I'd just be happy with an unlimited-length avoid list ๐
ornate flume
tru
idc if the game queue is long
as long it gets me into a good team
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As long it doesn't put together 5 dps mains or 5 support mains
upper niche
i'm just sick of getting stuck with offensive torb and then being told by the community "it's you, not them".
ornate flume
It's you bro looooool
just git gud and adapt loooool
but yeah, hate it when that happens
when you lowkey want a easy game wins with the said knowledge but few specific and the elo itself just doesn't make it work
cause the amount of knowledge I could think of doesn't work with gold/plat elo at all
Can't wait for the LFG system tho
well imma go sleep
wish me luck on bowling tournament
hidden vault
sullen berry
Lololol
Reinforce making good use of his time by not underestimating their roster as potential picks for OWWC
dusky tinsel
Yeeeep
fresh turret
I fuckin cried at Houston choking those final maps
They were on the edge
Goddamnit Houston
idle beacon
rascal went down from owl to contenders?
vestal mortar
Yeah Rascal was on Fuel after he was traded from London but he was released from Fuel while ago.
fiery swallow
warped axle
solar trout
Holy hell
drowsy fulcrum
can we start world cup memes yet
vivid solar
@drowsy fulcrum Not in this channel you can't
vivid solar
It's for overwatch esports
drowsy fulcrum
and you're saying that the OWWC isn't Overwatch Esports?
vivid solar
mb then
drowsy fulcrum
i feel like the joke has been lost now
torpid charm
solar trout
I mean I wanted valiant to get the perfect stage for the sake of it, but fuel is in my favorite 1-2 teams and now they're in the playoffs so that's awesome, its just so unexpected
tawny sigil
when are the overall playoff?
vagrant niche
tawny sigil
where do you see that
torpid charm
on the OWL website
tawny sigil
yeah schedule has the playoff grayed out
torpid charm
I guess that's in regards to who plays who but those are the dates, I wish I could go
sullen berry
Give it a other 7 hours
Today's final plays before tomorrow's stage 4 playoffs commence
tawny sigil
is there somewhere i can see how the matches are gonna be layed out at least?
also the playoff happen in newyork or just the grand final?
solar trout
it looks like the way fuel won prevented outlaws from getting in the stage playoffs though, and if fusion plays really well their next game they can knock out fuel? D:
I hope fusion does not get the 4-0
torpid charm
@tawny sigil only the grand final is in NYC, playoffs is in Burbank. if you go on the OWL website and pick the playoffs drop down, then it explains the format. it's kinda like NBA playoffs and finals where they play the same team best out of 3
balmy wolf
If fuel beat nyxl I will die of happiness even if they're still throwing
tawny sigil
WTF Oge got an ult in 14 seconds
2 shatter in 15 seconds, there is no way you're prepared for the second one
silk linden
Must be nice having 3 people heal you while you swing your hammer through the enemies
paper crag
Lolwut fuel beat valiant??
sullen berry
poor mado
it went down like this
: It's over, Valiant! I have the high ground!
: You underestimate me
valiant leaps up onto the high ground, fuel strikes valiant down
sullen berry
Unkoe : You were supposed to destroy the Siths! Not join them!
Custa : ...
nah it's something else entirely
paper crag
Fusion needs to win by at least 3-1 if they want to go to playoffs
sullen berry
I think nobody but the desk has told me what's going on
paper crag
Canโt win by 2-3
sullen berry
Fusion will make it into the season playoffs
but they NEED to secure the series
4-0 won't do anything stage wise
paper crag
Fuel beat fusion in stage 4, so if fusion wins vs london by 2-3, they lose to dallas since tiebreaker doesnโt count for map differential
Fusion is at same win/loss ratio as fuel if they win today
And theyโre currently behind fuel by 1 point in map differential
Which means if they win by 3-1, they get 2 pt toward map differential and edge out fuel
2-3 means 0 map differential, so they lose on map differential
2-1 means they tie in map differential, but fuel beat fusion so fuel has priority
I wouldnโt be surprised if fusion wins by 3-1 or 4-0 though
Maybe london will remember their former glory days and do something
whole mulch
I went to bed before the dallas game last night, and I come back to see this https://i.gyazo.com/9103d87aab686dc0deb3d08574330a12.png
^ that's an obvious typo made by the OWL right
had to be the other way around right ๐
paper crag
Yeah, itโs meant to be Dallas 3 - 1 Fuel
whole mulch
Huhhh
silk linden
@paper crag Fusion are 3 points behind Fuel in map differential. They either 4-0 London or they're out
3-1 or 3-0 won't be enough
idk where you read that "1 point behind" honestly, nor why no one corrected you
tawny sigil
only way we gonna see philly in stage playoff is iff they 4-0 london, I mean its possible but 4-0 are become very rare against any team.
london got 0-4 twice in the entire season
against NYXL and houston
i'd say 90% dallas 10% philly
tawny sigil
sure lets go with that
silk linden
actually not really since there are draws
tawny sigil
ill round it 5% 95%
silk linden
seems fair
tawny sigil
1 draw = done for philly
silk linden
yep
though I'd need to know the stats for how likely draws are in OWL for drawable modes
making wins on average less than 50%
obviously 4-0s in overwatch happen way more often than 1/20 times
especially since teams down 3-0 rarely want to fight for the last map
and because when one team is better than the other, that's what happens
tawny sigil
shanghai against sanfrancisco choke
and the last match of the day is completly useless.... who is gonna watch it?
brisk roost
If Shock somehow loses to Shanghai...
tawny sigil
that's what i dont get about this type of tournament...
some of the match serve no purpose at all
at this point in the season
at least we dont have a complet blow out day
tawny sigil
well its just kinda weird... most sports have an elimination period
not a thing here
silk linden
a what?
tawny sigil
elimination
tawny sigil
i dont know how it works, but i know all them have a chance until the elimination starts
a team that's eliminated doesn't play anymore
silk linden
what OWL has to give teams something to fight for is stage playoffs at least
Imagine the state of Dallas Fuel if those weren't a thing
torpid charm
deadass
silk linden
too european to watch that much OWL
torpid charm
I think I've missed at least 10 matches, including stage playoffs. I don't have shit to do ever so why not watch
awe, FeelsEUMan
tawny sigil
i watch the vods if i missed it
i skip the last map if its 3-0
6h 4 days a week is a lot to watch
torpid charm
it is but I watch it all
tawny sigil
guess im not alone
paper crag
@silk linden ahh i read MP as map points and not matches played. Damn mobile
So fusion had 9 and fuel had 10, which is where i got the 1 point behind
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Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 4
torpid charm
FeelsFusionMan
strong parrotBOT
Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 4
silk linden
Philly vs Fusion
when people complain that Boston Uprising don't have enough online presence and don't reach out to the fanbase enough
when the one guy in that team who did reach out to fans did it a bit too much
ornate flume
When does the game start today?
silk linden
what time zone are you
it's at 22:00 central europe time
which is I think 16:00 NY time
or 4PM
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
ornate flume
Dam thought it was gonna be at 11 for me.
silk linden
wait playoffs are this weekend already
fuck
no sleep time
monday at work gonna be tough
indigo barn
Shanghai better fokin take the W
silk linden
you know they won't