I think once Ado can settle into this meta, or they can get Daemin's hero pool up to a better standard we'll see some differences.
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
Because Widow Diya is fun as hell to watch.
I rewatched the Route 66 against Pine the other day, and its just so fun to see Pine actually... lose.
sullen berry
Daemin is the dark horse of the team, too much of him is portraying how he has a good hero pool and announcing him the day he played on day 1 stage 3. He comes off most like mistakes
Slightly inconsistent but a guy I'm pleased is part of the team
pearl stratus
I feel bad for him, because he was literally announced like... 2? hours before his start.
sullen berry
What Shanghai should do with altering is use him more as the facilitator between Korean and Chinese players, it's something they claim is working well for team synergy
pearl stratus
At most he'd been with the team a day or two.
Altering, apparently, is the liason.
sullen berry
That's half the time Geguri spent with the team
pearl stratus
He understands Korean, English and Chinese.
He doesn't speak Korean or English very well.
But he understands them all.
Freefeel, according to Fearless and Ado, is also their most vocal person on the team in terms of shot calling and stuff. Which may explain his bad positioning as he's trying to get a read on a team and then translate.
Who knows on the last one.
Freefeel is basically just Chinese Rawkus to me.
Since Rawkus for most of Stage 2 and 3 had the same "Lol whats positioning? oh god I got dived" issues.
sullen berry
!players dragons
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Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
paper crag
Lol yeah the way Daemin was debuted was kinda shit
Everyone was like who tf is this guy
sullen berry
Daemin Daeout
pearl stratus
I could see MG getting play time again if the meta shifts.
Despite his horribly unreliable D'va his flex between Roadhog and a few DPS wasn't bad.
sullen berry
Literally not a good idea for Dragons to pull of that number without testing them in NA competitive scene
pearl stratus
And it ever rolled around to a Triple Tank that included Hog you might just play him.
The few maps we saw his Hog it was actually Taimou-like nutty.
paper crag
Yeah
I wonder if it’s a more flexible comp to just have the two dps players play damage oriented off tank though
sullen berry
I can see more MG going forward, it would be fair to say he could be their specialist tank but forget Roshan for the same viability next season
paper crag
Rather than have fearless, geguri, and mg all at the same time
sullen berry
He has been given not a lot of freedom since the start to play to his best
pearl stratus
Roshan, imo, was ruined by U4 in this "sacrifice the tank" methodology that they were trying to use.
Which wasn't something that ever worked in OWL.
paper crag
Took the sacrifice the tank strat too seriously, literally sacrificed the tank player irl
Gotta give props to the commitment i guess
pearl stratus
The lucky thing is that the owner of Shanghai has enough money to buy and sell the entire league if he really wanted to. So they don't have any real restriction towards sponsors/backers and could maintain the roster into season 2.
sullen berry
Nothing like going by "Dynasty" or "tradition" by falling on structure without compromise
pearl stratus
Which means you'd have 6 months of downtime to fix communication.
sullen berry
Hence we have seen the Spitfire and Dynasty break down since stage 1
paper crag
I think the quickest way shanghai can win is to literally buy off wins
pearl stratus
They made: Tizi, Woohyal, Hooreg, and Hagopun inactive.
Hooreg and Hagopun are already back in Korea.
sullen berry
T1z1, Hagopeun, and woohyal?
paper crag
Huh
sullen berry
Hooreg I can undestand
pearl stratus
I can't
paper crag
What’s the point of making someone inactive?
pearl stratus
Because Birdring is still looking like shit.
paper crag
Is that somehow different from just not playing them
pearl stratus
It's not playing them, but admitting to the community that you're not putting any resources into them anymore.
sullen berry
One is still too fresh into the league, while the support and tank performance is just not delivering to Spitfire specifications
paper crag
Is that like an official owl thing, or just london saying “hey theyre inactive”
pearl stratus
It's play style differences, according to their staff.
Fury is passive, Woohyal is aggressive.
I personally think Woohyal is the more impactful D'va by a large margin.
sullen berry
@paper crag London trying to make it a thing VS valiant trying to hide the problems
pearl stratus
Nah its more for transparency and people not going "OH MY GOD WHY ISN'T [NAME] PLAYING"
they already said they're releasing them all at the end of the season.
But its better than just doing it right now out of nowhere.
sullen berry
Let me be clear it was only addressed when people starting raising concerns about agilities during stage 2 or silkthreads low stage time
pearl stratus
I don't forsee any of them having an issue with getting a new team.
sullen berry
(and unkoes dps)
sullen berry
At least on the other side of the Atlantic division, we still got Void playing adequately
I say adequate to the extent Zappis looked good on his first game
They didn't lose maps with him
pearl stratus
He'll settle in, but they got saved pretty heavily by the maps in the game, and Surefour just being Surefour.
sullen berry
Yeah it's too early to tell
pearl stratus
I knew Houston was going to lose Hanamura.
It's too attack focused, and Houston is bad at it.
sullen berry
Hmm, i haven't really thought about teams on the map level
pearl stratus
It's something I've been starting to think about because it can be exploited - like LAG did really well.
Sideshow did a good job of explaining that LAG just went to a defensive comp more often than not to force Houston to play aggressive based on the maps they were on.
sullen berry
A reminder for NYXL games in the next 9-13 hours they haven't lost on the first game with current maps in rotation
pearl stratus
And Houston is not great at playing aggressively.
So Fissure just sitting in Orissa shields was perfect.
sullen berry
!schedule
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Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
sullen berry
Somehow I won't be disappointed if I check out Spitfire on a losing streak
terse forge
sullen berry
With shock, a team I don't follow as much in terms of a map/architect standpoint
pearl stratus
Birdring just has not looked great minus one map against NYXL this entire stage.
sullen berry
!players shock
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
pearl stratus
They have an amazing comp now, and Crusty is really showing through honestly.
torpid charm
this week seems so boring to watch but I'll still watch every game
pearl stratus
Sinatraa being able to flex onto the Zarya while Nevixx swaps to Brigitte gives the team a TON of options mid map.
sullen berry
I want crusty to show me his magic against NYXL rather than Spitfire
@torpid charm I would argue this is a day for some really exciting upset potential
Now, generally you can say that for every mayhem and dragons match
But in the case of Fusion VS Dragons
pearl stratus
Dragons still haven't figured out the meta, and I doubt it will be exciting.
torpid charm
I feel that, personally I'm not hella interested
pearl stratus
But who knows, they've made a few huge improvements between map weeks before.
sullen berry
They get closest to reaching map 5 against fusion
pearl stratus
So who knows what we'll see.
torpid charm
if my boys were to lose tonight I would be beyond pissed
sullen berry
For some reason, they tend to choke on the fifth
torpid charm
honestly
sullen berry
(read: they have since the start when they do)
With sado, I think they've distanced themselves now to avoid dropping any more maps against shanghai
torpid charm
I'm interested to see how all the full KR teams do though
sullen berry
Strangely, I'm the latter
torpid charm
Philly are starting out easy this stage, I'm hoping they don't fall off again like last stage
sullen berry
XL Spitfire and Seoul, in that order are not that fun to watch personally
It doesn't mean they aren't pulling off nutty plays, which I will watch it for
pearl stratus
London and Seoul are fine watching for me, because they both lose regularly enough
torpid charm
you and I are in the same boat just opposite, I understand that though
sullen berry
@torpid charm
sullen berry
I'm going to miss out the livestream tomorrow of Seoul VS London, one of my preferred matchup this stage in a long while. Stage 1 team pool 
sour pebble
did Dallas win
sullen berry
Yes!
sour pebble
YES
sullen berry
1 draw 3 map wins
sour pebble
Finally my city has won something
sour pebble
our football team sucks as well
sullen berry
But yesterday we say the return of simple envyus tactics
sour pebble
hockey team is meh
sullen berry
I don't follow sports full stop
sullen berry
Was lucky that there was even a smidgen of interest in esports
But hey, glad to hear the Texas underdogs got themselves a win 😄
sour pebble
being a pro esport player has been my dream since I was like 11
sullen berry
It's strange I've been around a few, but very capable esports potential players both irl and in this server
Someone here scrims with the skill and knowledge ready to play for the OW League
spring lintel
So i didnt watch recent owl matches, is brig meta af yet?
sour pebble
I'm good at Mercy I got 47% team dmg healed
wow
on the end screen I got on the board for kill participation with mercy!
gg
wintry crescent
https://clips.twitch.tv/IcyVainWatermelonPicoMause is mark cuban right? 
limber pine
OWL has undoubtedly seen a dip in viewership as the stages have gone by, but say it's dropping like a plane falling out of the sky seems like a very uneducated opinion.
and for him to say FortNite is going to be the next big thing without any evidence or history to proof it only further emphasizes the point
I like Mark Cuban a lot, but the snippet either needs more context or he needs to prove his point better
fresh turret
Fortnite has frankly no potential to be an Esport so that context doesn't work imo
Also too bad for Houston
deft valley
Mark Cuban knows his shit about a lot of things, but he talks about a lot of things he doesn't know too
so that wouldn't be new
fresh turret
Makes it rough for them to get into any playoffs
sour pebble
fartnite is garbage
winged cliff
It's shit
misty turtle
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
warped axle
The fact that it still gets at least 75k viewers at all times is impressive
Especially since it's been going on for 4 months
heady idol
"Jake is an asshole, just look at his face"
feelsbadman
"Basically there are two types of fans: those who see through the PR garbage surrounding the Outlaws and those who fall for it."
jagged crater
SHD facing NYE so soon already
feelsbad
the real question is who will be the first team to lose to SHD
or will the 0-40 season be real
heady idol
if saya gets food poisoning ors something and can't play
they might win against mcdonalds
jagged crater
i cant imagine what's it like being on a team that's 0-30+
imagine diya, he's been there since the beginning
he prob like fuckit i dont are anymore
it's like going into competitive and getting 30 losses in a row while trying your hardest
how do you even feel after that?
do you become numb to losing?
if i even get 4 losses in a row, i get depressed af for the day
heady idol
I think different people would handle it differently, for me, having no expectations of my winning is kinda freeing. less stress, on the other hand, the looming 0-40 history making is stressful
reasons for disliking outlaws
"Their primary team color reminds me of green slime. It's just not a color I like to see in large quantities."
gj r/cow
sour pebble
I lose basically every game
pearl stratus
Not caring is honestly probably the best mindset, in certain ways.
At some point the pressure of the first win must be amazingly oppressive, and crushing.
When you get past that and just kind of say "Fuck it" and have some fun you probably play better.
pearl stratus
The worst part is at the end of stage 3 none of their losses were like... crushing.
It was stupid little mistakes.
Nothing major.
Now its just a meta shift that quite a few teams apparently have trouble with (LOOKING AT YOU BOSTON.)
jagged crater
it would be the funniest thing if boston loses to shd
but dont think they face eachother again?
heady idol
if SHD faces Boston, Boston might lose
heady idol
they looked like garbage
jagged crater
if would be actually incredibly funny
jagged crater
did they actually fire him or did he leave
i cant imagine firing a coach that got you a perfect 10-0 stage
heady idol
oh he quit
jagged crater
June 8th mark your calendars for shanghai's first win
also just so happens to be the very last match for SHD
heady idol
god ending it with a 4-0 against Boston would be the hypest shit ever
jagged crater
1-39 would be bittersweet, i would be celebrating after that win
that's like winning a championship to me
i lied it's the 3rd last
whatever close enough
tight vault
!schedule
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Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
torpid charm
no map 5 this time 
tight vault
i'm worried philly is gon squash Shanghai
terse forge
Philly Philly Philly
silk linden
the dallas long con: being shit at what was the most dominating meta for the longest time, so that when that meta is suddenly gone they weren't used to it anyway so they have no problem switching over
to a meta that favors them because it favors stupid prolonged chaotic brawls
900 IQ sending their star Tracer main back to korea before the stage starts so they don't feel force to field him like Boston do with Striker
hazy arrow
Yeah, I miss the meta which in 99% cases consist of the same heroes over and over again
Like this meta or not, but it finally brings some variety
silk linden
I like the meta change, it's fun and unpredictable
and legit kudos to dallas for adapting to it
hazy arrow
And even more in-match changes when teams try to counter their opponents
silk linden
4real though, if you think about it, would they even need effect?
I mean not as long as Taimou has aim
hazy arrow
I dont think so
Tracer is not viable now
And regarding other DPS heroes he plays, does he play any of them better than aKm, Slymou or Seagull does?
silk linden
His widow is good, maybe not as good as Taimou when he's being god, but Taimou isn't always being god
hazy arrow
I mean
If Slymou gets back to his form - which with Aero isnt impossible -, then hes one of the best Widows in the league
Honestly, there may not be a place for Effect in Season 2
silk linden
let's be honest, every team has one of the best widows in the league
there are like 14 best widows in the league
tight vault
shanghai widow #1
silk linden
Diya is very good no joke
pearl stratus
Effect plays 90% of the DPS roster better than Fuel, just as an aside. Just no one on the roster could play Tracer at a high level.
The only one I haven't seen him play at an obscenely high level was Genji.
winged cliff
What's genji
pearl stratus
Something that still exists, map dependent, in OWL.
silk linden
are Effect's Soldier, McCree and Sombra a clear cut above Akm and Taimou's?
pearl stratus
McCree yes.
Sombra and Soldier probably not, but the likelihood of actually seeing those two/
Not that high.
You'll use her for a point cap here or there.
hazy arrow
I have never seen him play these so I cant tell
pearl stratus
He's never needed to, it's like Striker.
We're just now finding out Striker is a better Widow than Mistakes.
tight vault
wanna win against Shanghai now? Play baugette
silk linden
can he play Reaper? 
(everyone can play reaper)
(that's why i was so uninpressed by taimou when everyone was praising him during the beyblade meta)
hazy arrow
Reapfield, is that you??
pearl stratus
Also lets be fair Dallas is 2-1 this Stage so far.
The two teams they've beaten have only played Dive.
silk linden
("amazing play by taimou!" he's just walking at people and shooting them in the face)
pearl stratus
The one team they played that knew what Brigitte was fucked them into the ground.
Needs a larger sample size of games to determine if they're back to being good or not.
silk linden
yes but what we're saying is, would effect change that?
pearl stratus
Effect would be used like AKM, perhaps in place of AKM.
Tracers tend to make amazing Zarya players
Because their tracking is nutty.
And his Widow is leaps and bounds above AKM.
So if you're not running Taimou you've got a better Widow too.
hazy arrow
"GGs to @LAGladiators . I don't believe 4-0 does justice to how close the maps actually were. Defenses were great, attacks were not. Lots to clean up, but also lots of improvement within the team. Looking forward to next week"
tight vault
Dallas still bad
silk linden
they gotta field Mickie, Seagull and OGE all at the same time, so that they can have Mickie flex to Brigitte when the necessity arises and Seagull take his place on Dva
tight vault
silk linden
that leaves one dps spot
hazy arrow
I hope we manage to keep Seagull for next season
tight vault
So can we talk about how much Shanghai has improved
hazy arrow
I absolutely love that guy
silk linden
they have improved... in stage 3
pearl stratus
I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to leave just with the shit show of organizational management Dallas was.
silk linden
then in stage 4 they can't adapt to the new meta, so back to square 1
pearl stratus
Minus Diya.
hazy arrow
He tried but was denied
pearl stratus
Diya is doing his best backpack impression right now by carrying everyone.
hazy arrow
Hopefully with Aero he sees the light
pearl stratus
It was the one highlight in the Dallas game
Diya fucked Taimou in the mouth.
The entire match.
silk linden
and Geguri can finally play Zarya
pearl stratus
Taimou just stopped playing Widow at one point.
It got that bad. They still won because of Mickie, but the sniper duel was definitive.
hazy arrow
hazy arrow
Jesus - Aero, new Dallas Fuel Coach
On the very right Dallas Fuel owner
On the left side Seagull, Cocco and Slymou, I guess
In the background is aKm, I believe
silk linden
those are pretty old pictures
hazy arrow
The guy holding him is our assistant coach, Peak, who in stage 3 was our interim head coach
and the last guy is something like general manager, I think? I dont know, i just know he was with Taimou when he was in hospital
rapid bobcat
poko now in the same team with xQc yay
I hate everything about france, but poko is a great, great exception for me
torpid charm
Poko is amazing
vagrant niche
LETS GO BOIS
balmy wolf
Can we actually get tokens today?
vagrant niche
is today the day that shangai wins? 
balmy wolf
Oof when Shanghai is higher in the S4 standings than London.
vagrant niche
RIP Hyoreng
vagrant niche
time to play on the bed
balmy wolf
I can understand not running Hagopeun, since Bdosin is a much better Zen.
Dunno why they're still keeping Closer, he and Nus have practically identical stats.
There's really no noticable difference in their Mercy plays.
tight vault
Rip Total Biscuit
vagrant niche
he died?
tight vault
total biscuit died today
vagrant niche
rip LUL
vagrant niche
warped axle
tight vault
where is everyone in this chat room today
dusky tinsel
"let's go fam" smh uber
waxen rampart
dusky tinsel
balmy wolf
tight vault
waxen rampart
my boys will triumph
dusky tinsel
oh dearrrr
quasi stump
L 
N D O N
clear hornet
who has the better defense between london and San Fran. ?
clear hornet
damn architect
quasi stump
is it bad that I've been enjoying watching London's freefall?
gritty yacht
ooh birdring answering.
dusky tinsel
Despite being dive specialists, I think running dive here isn't the wisest choice
gritty yacht
I think it's cool to see parity show up in OWL, @quasi stump.
quasi stump
for sure
gritty yacht
I'm not like cackling at their downfall, but I like seeing there being competition between the ten OWL teams and then two OWC teams in OWL who do whatever.
quasi stump
clear hornet
if the dragons wanted to, who do you think they can beat ?
gritty yacht
Fuel on a bad day.
dusky tinsel
They had a chance against Dallas, but couldn't adapt against Brigitte
gritty yacht
Profit is dying a lot today.
dusky tinsel
Slaaaay
opaque cargo
I wonder if SHD will manage a map five
gritty yacht
Unexpected.
balmy wolf
Huh.
cerulean plume
That was insane
clear hornet
russia did it
tight vault
Shock throwing
balmy wolf
Russia hacked the OWL.
waxen rampart
balmy wolf
Wait
dusky tinsel
That's just London getting their act together on the defence
clear hornet
balmy wolf
If they hacked it Mistakes would be a good Widow.
gritty yacht
He's saying Zarya needs a nerf.
waxen rampart
shock stop throwing
balmy wolf
Are we gonna get credits today?
clear hornet
i wish i could have a team or a group of some sort to play with in the same room
gritty yacht
I wish people were as excited to talk to me in game as they are to talk to me when they see me in my OW beanie.
gritty yacht
I have a toque
gritty yacht
.99
quasi stump
lol I love how those hype segements are basically all Uber
gritty yacht
.98
clear hornet
feelssad
dusky tinsel
I mean that's normal
clear hornet
true
gritty yacht
There's a technical problem or they're stalling to make time so the match doesn't end so fast.
quasi stump
ana 
gritty yacht
What if London wins 1-0?
tight vault
OMEGALUL
gritty yacht
I miss all the Ana slash fiction that came out when she was introduced.
I read all the good stuff already.
clear hornet
im so dumb
im watching this assault map go down
and i was like "wasnt blizzard world an assault map?"
then i remembered that no one got the payload out
dusky tinsel
There we go
clear hornet
i still wonder about Profits keyboard positioning lol
dusky tinsel
I have to disagree, I think he did fine
dusky tinsel
positioning noooo
clear hornet
isnt soldier one of the characters you want on the second attacking point for hanamura?
dusky tinsel
If you can establish soldier on the balcony highground during a fight like that, you have a huge advantage
clear hornet
tfw tracer switches to brig but switches back to tracer
i believe a game 5 could happen
clear hornet
i dont see how its a C9
yeah thats why i chill here when i AM able to watch the OWL live
dusky tinsel
lmao
worn hornet
stream fucked for everyone there or was it just me?
gritty yacht
Uh oh
They're experiencing latency in one of their feeds.
Not anymore. Everything is fine.
worn hornet
I wonder...do they have enough shoutcasters for season 2, once the teams are playing in their own cities?
gritty yacht
That was like, master feed latency, haha.
Uhm.
Yeah I think they'll be fine, @worn hornet
rapid bobcat
wait why is malik the host today?
dusky tinsel
puckett's ill
rapid bobcat
he's ill okay
tight vault
supple prism
@green goblet OWL is on an old patch, scatter no longer exists on Live
supple prism
i dont use twitch chat
green goblet
Good for u
tight vault
hey chat STUNNED the current STUNNED meta is so STUNNED good, as a STUNNED tank main i STUNNED find myself STUNNED getting more STUNNED compliments for STUNNED shatters'
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
fast basin
RIP TotalBiscuit
dusky tinsel
blimey, that was an intense fight
candid cedar
;-;
dusky tinsel
hmmmm
heady idol
wtf
candid cedar
really
heady idol
that was so anticlimactic, not even watching the point and the game just ends
dusky tinsel
London had that in the bag, the target focus seemed to get worse as the fight went on
heady idol
everyone is like "?????????? oh we lost"
dusky tinsel
I'd need to rewatch that midfight to see where it went wrong
ruby pendant
London won?
dusky tinsel
It's currently LDN 2-1 SFS
tight vault
sour paTCH KIDS
ruby pendant
k, thanks
balmy wolf
Oof is this my gold game.
dusky tinsel
the cursed game 5
shrewd jacinth
the reverse sweep
warped axle
This is such a great match
strange locust
my boys got it to game 5 i dont care if they win im just happy theyre swinging the whole time 
🌩
LETS GO SHOCK
ruby pendant
lol reverse sweep so close
strange locust
lets go bois
raven badger
lmao that failed hook
strange locust
hey birdring woke up again
red wyvern
marsh pumice
awesome this is top tier plays
strange locust
architect got rekt by that one pull lol
strange locust
ive never watched birdring play this dude is crazy
gg, at least it wasnt 4-0verwatch
willow skiff
strange locust
birdring is fucking crazy
opaque cargo
https://i.redd.it/q575e3fvdpz01.jpg good god
I mean I know this was basically intentional feeding by the other team
ruby pendant
lol
torpid charm
ruby pendant
You think Gladiators will beat Mayhem?
heady idol
Brig-Ett-Tuh
waxen rampart
bragetti
waxen rampart
@ ZEBBO WHATCHA GONNA DO
humble moth
https://imgur.com/a/KwFJhT5 the ads are working :/
heady idol
S E L L O U T
heady idol
I actually don't mind, good for the league if you buy products that are being advertised, all the power to you.
👍
I don't know if Manneten has stepped up or it's just his meta but he's been impressing me
new record :0
pearl stratus
Did everyone watch the Shocks uplifting video about free to play weekend?
heady idol
Wow what a play by both teams
Void feels only okay on Zarya, he's an amazing D.Va tho
raven badger
rip
tribal compass
whats with all the ResidentSleeper spam whenever they combo graviton dragonstrike lol
heady idol
people are sick of Dragon Grav combo
tribal compass
this combo has existed since literally the beginning of time tho lmao
heady idol
people always make noise about team wipes and shit
hybrid helm
@tribal compass before last Hanzo buff you’d take Hanzo for the combo but now you gain a lot of value even in between. That and Briggite shutting dive means Hanzo more viable
final river
that was a cute start
hybrid helm
It’s often better to get less kills from one ult. And then clean up after the ult / let the team clean up to get ult charge imo
My opinion tho
tribal compass
he was played even with scatter
i dont get the twitch chat complaints, if anything complain about storm arrow not about dragonstrike lmfao
pearl stratus
Zuppeh can now retire
hybrid helm
Yea but in higher ranked it’s the clear meta.. because grav dragon strike has no counter
hybrid helm
It’s a clean team wipe
tribal compass
i just find it interesting that people are suddenly bitching about grav dragonstrike now as if it wasnt in the game before
hybrid helm
Yea but before a good dive could get advantage
tribal compass
im really surprised that nobody complained about it for months before this
hybrid helm
You’d invest much more and risk more to go for this combo
Now the combo is part of meta picks that’s what I mean
Before you’d have to play off meta for that
Before you’d play dive and overall win more team fights I guess
Now Briggite meta forces everyone to group up so grav and dragonstrike are much easier to land
tribal compass
i...see
pearl stratus
Hanzo was also relatively niche before.
So you'd see him more run on just a map or two.
So while it was annoying, it wasn't constant.
Right now with his buffs he's just shit all over every dps in terms of usefulness.
opaque cargo
I feel like hanzo could completely lose storm arrows and be viable
faster projectiles and more mobility makes his LMB so much more dangerous
vagrant niche
dat charge
forest wharf
you guys ready to be even more disappointed by the shanghai game after
ruby pendant
Dragons already won
forest wharf
unless fusion runs brigitte, then its a rip
opaque cargo
glad are looking ridiculously good in this stage
sour pebble
I like how everyone just ignores me
forest wharf
sullen berry
@sour pebble it's a tough question, because initially I want to say work hard at it...
You gotta have to put in the work to be consistent but you also have to show sportsmanship playing with other and reach out to the right people to get into esports specifically
forest wharf
get gud
sullen berry
Let's not forget if you want to get paid to play in esports
rancid crest
Someone tell me
Why stage 4 has a lot of hanzo play ?
Any particular reason ?
Even though its pre rework hanzo
forest wharf
why the fuck does blizzard send me an email about 100 free owl coins from a month ago
sullen berry
It's a result of teams playing brigitte and how the meta includes more Zarya
@forest wharf I'll take the OWL tokens if they weren't automatically redeemed
rancid crest
Ooh i see
sullen berry
I had the same problem receiving 100 tokens from the stream at least 3 or 4 times
I can't tell because they are really slow on email confirmations
rancid crest
But hanzo was played even when no brigitte was
paper crag
huh so awesomeguy is actually "awesome guy" on his uniform
rancid crest
Like on lunar colony
paper crag
with a space
sullen berry
Some like the second sniper for dps, while most players generally prefer playing hanzo to switch things up
Also: Seagull, massive hero pool
See: Linkzr who plays great widow, but just can play hanzo just as well
Some like the second sniper for dps, while most players generally prefer playing hanzo to switch things up
rancid crest
Oh
forest wharf
@sullen berry nah they were spent on the day i got them lol
vagrant niche
oh Freekill
forest wharf
so they figured out how to run brigitte...with 1 tank
final river
its frustrating to root for dragons but they keep putting in freefeel
sullen berry
@forest wharf No regrets not having tokens for next season?
I have a couple spare so there's enough for 6 teams at most
rancid crest
Did shanghai win ?
vagrant niche
real C9
reef imp
I think a win would be good for their morale, honestly.
ruby pendant
@rancid crest Lol, people been saying the same thing 3 stages ago
rancid crest
I meant like season 2
forest wharf
@sullen berry meh fuck it, ive got to 100 coins pretty easily
have like 8 skins and only watched like half the matches
when is season 2 supposed to even start
ruby pendant
@forest wharf 2020
forest wharf
ok
forest wharf
single tank winston 
ruby pendant
@heady idol seems to be working
heady idol
rip
forest wharf
no crowd cheers lul
heady idol
4 minutes to push that point, 2 blades, zero dead
brig just hard counters, and they don't swap
dusky tinsel
Literally no idea why they didnt just switch into a Rein Zarya Brig comp
heady idol
Ado to Junk faster would've been much better
forest wharf
and that one tank was winston
dusky tinsel
Mercy zen brig rein zarya junk would have sorted them pretty well imo
forest wharf
apparently geguri is the only one capable of playing brigiite
dusky tinsel
If thats the case, shanghai literally cannot win this stage
ruby pendant
Need a bit more flexibility
dusky tinsel
They need to teach a dps player how to play brig if they want to win
ruby pendant
They keep trying to force these comp
heady idol
Philly looks weak, Diya just gotta Sayaplayer harder than Sayaplayer Sayaplayers
forest wharf
how to not run dive????
ruby pendant
Dragons 3-1
forest wharf
freefeel mvp
ruby pendant
definitely, excelsior should trade Jonak for him
dusky tinsel
The thing is that they looked wonderful RIGHT up until they capped point 2
forest wharf
fearless number 1 wat
dusky tinsel
After that, comms seemed to crumble
paper crag
lol china with the numbers
waxen rampart
why is fearless on there
paper crag
cuz he's on a chinese team and is a pretty boi
forest wharf
^
paper crag
and then geguri is on a chinese team and is best grill
forest wharf
this is xqc mvp all over again
dusky tinsel
They need to find better chinese players for season 2
forest wharf
fearless, geguri, jjonak, ado, and someone else
forest wharf
nah bro
vagrant niche
Geguri? why? Fearless? why?
rancid crest
Welp
vagrant niche
what a rigged fan vote
paper crag
no but there are 3 dragons players on top 6
heady idol
altering 😐
paper crag
two dragons players leading
vagrant niche
this is probably why some people tend to dislike the dragons
cause i can understand
heady idol
wat
heady idol
how do you blame Chinese fans for voting for China team, that is probably obvious
vagrant niche
might as well put xQc on it as well
heady idol
err blame the team
vagrant niche
heady idol
for the fans
paper crag
he's not an active player though
i'm sure he would have been eligible if he were still on the league
vagrant niche
i do not understand tho
actually, is whatever
i don't care who wins mvp
so be it
heady idol
Diya going Super Saiyan
paper crag
i mean, it's a popularity contest
and whoever can get as many votes will win
china has an advantage
it's as simple as that
vagrant niche
if Diya is super saiyan, Saya is Ultra Instinct
paper crag
i do think mvp is a misnomer though
i feel like "mvp" should have been voted on by analysts or something
heady idol
gave a free tick 😢
paper crag
and make this fan vote like a fan favorite or something
vagrant niche
it is going to be voted by analysts
it's just a fan base
to "help" them decide
Jjonak is going to win it
regardless of the vote
paper crag
oh okay lol
heady idol
god
forest wharf
that c9
forest wharf
watching shanghai games at this point is just depressing
vagrant niche
you guys saw that?
paper crag
i was hyped for DF vs SHD
paper crag
and then brigitte happened
vagrant niche
paper crag
lol
forest wharf
im still triggered by that fuel/dragons game
vernal galleon
for the win or the loss?
paper crag
i'm still amazed by the pros' game sense though
heady idol
xQc won fan vote, despite xQc being a verb for being sticked by a tracer mine and then JUMPING INTO HIS OWN Mercy/Pharah and killing them
https://clips.twitch.tv/ReliableBloodyAlmondKappaRoss
forest wharf
the whole game tbh
heady idol
no one cares
paper crag
they're so spatially aware that i sometimes forget that the players don't see those little silhouettes
because it looks almost like they can see it lol
how they're aware of where everyone is
or is likely to be
so is the crowd super silent when sado gets called, like how people are quiet when oge gets called
so it kinda feels like SHD just resets every stage
they improve throughout a stage
build hype like "omg first win next stage i know it"
heady idol
I haven't been getting tokens last 2 maps
forest wharf
they never set in the first place
heady idol
token machine broke?
paper crag
and then the next stage begins and they're back to square one
like they forgot to save a game
paper crag
it's like they go 3 steps forward and 2 steps backward though
surreal dragon
i still can't believe they've lost every single game they've played tho
like, that's what, 30 games or something?
paper crag
32 games so far
surreal dragon
holy crap
forest wharf
i'll buy the rest of the shanghai skins if they somehow manage to not go 0-40
already have tracer and widow shanghai skins for memes
surreal dragon
the way they've been playing the whole time
like i see some of their plays and go "??"
paper crag
dat moira reticle wut
heady idol
pink circle bois
fluid dagger
moira is a precision character that requires extremely good aim
limber umbra
huh
fluid dagger
kapa
limber umbra
freefeel used to play a sniper in other games
limber umbra
interesting factoid
vagrant niche
i saw a crazy one by Pine
paper crag
jjonak uses a dot the size of an ant
fluid dagger
yeah I use a tiny hollow dot myself
i play lots of hitscan and general accuracy characters I don't like shit in my way
paper crag
i tried to use hollow reticles, like a hollow circle or crosshairs with space in the middle
but i need a dot on my target
like where it hits
so i just use a regular dot
fluid dagger
I like it hollow so I don't block the actual head
at long range that's important when heads get small
(I play lots of widow)
and my dot is small enough that it's not an issue
fiery reef
Man they looked so promising that first match .. 😦
limber umbra
smh
paper crag
how crazy would it be if shd pulls off the reverse sweep that's not going to happen
when nobody expects it
paper crag
ikr
heady idol
gief minimap view
paper crag
the one feature that would have sold twice as many all access pass is a dedicated minimap section on the command center
although i don't like the command center in general
it should have been access to a set of individual streams, not one stream with tiny sections
reef imp
that was bad
forest wharf
its ruined by the giant fucking all access banner on the bottom
reef imp
they're not coming back from this
heady idol
holy shit, I got a twitch emote drop
https://i.imgur.com/B5CqeeP.png
paper crag
died to grav damage lol
forest wharf
white twitch skin 
heady idol
days since geguri got a heal: 1
verbal roost
did they turn off game music for all streams?
forest wharf
lul kills freefeel again
paper crag
lol
heady idol
gg
paper crag
that was carpe potg there
heady idol
freefeel going to get so many comments
reef imp
RRRRRGH
forest wharf
freekill dies first literally every fight
vagrant niche
the game feed is
paper crag
shd already beat everyone in longest loss streak
reef imp
The only thing this team knows how to do right is lose!
vagrant niche
paper crag
now they just need to set the bar high for anyone who tries to beat it
river birch
I feel bad
paper crag
40 seems like a good number
river birch
Has shanghai ever won a game?
paper crag
33 game losing streak
river birch
Youre fucking kidding me
forest wharf
nupeee
vagrant niche
paper crag
this is actually the longest losing streak in competitive history
limber umbra
jesus fucking christ
river birch
Why
paper crag
at least in modern, recorded history of competitive sports/games
river birch
Why are they so bad/unlucky
paper crag
bad
verbal roost
every answer is right :p
paper crag
cuz bad
vagrant niche
unlucky? no bad
paper crag
if you want more serious answers though, the roster was apparently picked with a pretty shady process with a lot of cronyism
coaching staff was bad and had bad strats
language barrier among players
although stage 1 was all chinese and they still sucked
vagrant niche
Fuel still won under Kyky tho
paper crag
worse than they do now
river birch
Are they mostly chinese?
heady idol
it's Chinese and Koreans now
paper crag
they're still more chinese than korean
but you're almost always going to see 3 koreans on the stage
out of the 4 koreans they have
i'm not sure if they ever ran all 4
at once
heady idol
man Fiveking is like a sidegrade
paper crag
i just realized altering, fiveking, and freefeel all have eight letters in their names
river birch
Man, I just feel bad
river birch
To make it to owl just to leave that legacy
verbal roost
yawn
buoyant edge
shanghai makes me sad :<
heady idol
TorBM
stable wadi
I go to the bathroom for five fucking minutes and I come back to Torb in OWL
What the fuck
heady idol
WHY DID ADO APPROACH WITH MOLTEN CORE STILL UP
vagrant niche
OMEGALUL THIS IS HILLARIOUS
vast dagger
oh man
heady idol
HOLY SHIT HE'S THE GENJIS I HAVE IN MY SOLO QUEUE GAMES
stable wadi
this is what domestic abuse looks like 
vast dagger
i only check OWL standing every month or so
always hoping to see a shd win
0-32 :/
when is enough enough lol
vagrant niche
MERCY DESTROYS WINSTONS OMEGA
vast dagger
i almost feel like there needs to be some kinda blizzard intervention
limber umbra
unprofessional?
why
lol
if they cant handle the torb pick they deserve to lose
phuck outta here with your feelings
verbal roost
it's like a lopsided haircut
what are you talking about?
if a team in a league hasn't won a single game then the league should rebalance
vagrant niche
how about you don't play with the big boys if you can't handle it?
vagrant niche
sure, enjoy the league then
verbal roost
i enjoy the drops 😄
vagrant niche
same here
verbal roost
i like the music choice for the stream this time
north beacon
i'm a big fan of geguri but i don't think i'm going to tune into SHD games anymore until AFTER they win one
surreal dragon
i assume they lost
alpine ice
torpid charm
the only thing he's boosted is my love for him
round fossil
In order to catch up with the 1899 Spiders, Shanghai needs to win at least five games. That would tie them with the worst team in American baseball history.
lets go shd
deft valley
and also in football you only play 17 games in a season
Ah yes, those cleveland browns going 0-16 in a 17-game season
grizzled trout
!standings
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W L MP MAP W-L-T
1 
New York Excelsior 29 3 32 104-31-3
2 
Boston Uprising 22 11 33 81-61-2
3 
London Spitfire 21 12 33 88-55-1
4 
Los Angeles Valiant 21 12 33 81-55-5
5 
Philadelphia Fusion 21 12 33 82-63-1
6 
Los Angeles Gladiators 20 14 34 80-63-2
7 
Seoul Dynasty 19 13 32 75-59-3
8 
Houston Outlaws 18 15 33 80-63-1
9 
San Francisco Shock 13 20 33 60-75-3
10 
Dallas Fuel 8 25 33 42-88-7
11 
Florida Mayhem 6 28 34 36-100-5
12 
Shanghai Dragons 0 33 33 19-115-1
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pulsar hill
did philly fusion beat nyxls record on gibraltar?
forest crown
LMAO SHANGHAI
hybrid helm
I personally think that OGE should have got the punishment that SADO got for boosting.
And SADO should have been permanently rejected from OWL. The guy RAN the business lol
limber pine
it's gonna be strange to see two team in that middle of the pack not make the playoffs
balmy wolf
Cant boston lose their playoff chances if they keep losing
limber pine
possibly
their map score is terrible comparably to others in the pack
even if they tie some teams, they'd lose on map score
but even with being 0-3 this stage, they still have 3 games over 7th place
I think they'll squeak in
sullen berry
I found out that given how much hype around crusty's coaching has been helping shock take more wins and maps
there exists the statistical likelihood that if they win every single series they will have a 75-88 map differnetial
how that can be spun into a legitimate run for both the stage playoffs (and even less likely) the season playoffs they would be given the boost they need to stand out from the bottom tier
I can see that shock have something to ride into the end of this season, given that it's unlikely
but not impossible 😮
fresh arrow
sullen berry
oh god 
more pings to add to the fusion streams
they certainly enjoy being the lifestyle of the esports player house
tawny sigil
hahaha... people are trolling the shit out of the T mobile MVP
Fearless no.1
3 shanghai player in top five
median saddle
this is why the fan vote only counts for 25%
tawny sigil
this is why fan vote are stupid... its MVP... are they mental?
median saddle
realistically the MVP candidates are Fissure, Jjonak, Carpe
tawny sigil
Jjonak 100%
but we know since its a user vote... only way its gonna be Jjonak is if they say fuck the user vote
people should have voted for Freefeel
just prove a point
or IDDQD
tawny sigil
they're just trying to make people spam tmobile on twitch
this is why overwatch league won't make it
obvious shit like that along with their SJW pr head
ruby pendant
MVP, is the people's choice, makes people feel more engaged. The other sports use the same tactics. Maybe they can have another title based on stats.
median saddle
also have to take in a lot of factors such as population, etc.
China has the biggest fanbase in all of esports
so naturally SHD might get a lot of votes
tawny sigil
what does china think about SHD?
median saddle
they like them, but are in a constant state of disappointment
also a lot don't like them because of the rumors of corruption
basically a 50/50
tawny sigil
are they hating on the korean players?
pearl stratus
Most of the corruption stuff has gone away, when the team purged Undead and Van that cut off most of it.
And thankfully most of the fans seem to enjoy the Korean additions.
median saddle
I think with the 3 korean players being the highest voted I can safely say that the chinese players love them
jagged crater
or they could be meming on them?
how is fearless #1,
i dont think he's even popular, like not even close to geguri levels
silk linden
fearless gets the most fangirls
jagged crater
korean or chinese fangirls?
silk linden
heterosexual
jagged crater
torpid charm
I love Fearless
jagged crater
i'd be great if you can vote former OWL players
top 2 would be xqc and dreamkazper
taking community vote meming to the max
torpid charm
!schedule
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torpid charm
thank mr tracer
fresh turret
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
hazy arrow
OWL MVP is even a bigger joke than OWC MVP....
limber pine
OWL viewers only count for 25% of the vote tho
but yeah
I don't think xQc was that poor of a MVP choice
ruby pendant
@limber pine Why?
limber pine
why what
ruby pendant
Why don't you think xQc was that poor of a MVP choice?
limber pine
because he played his ass off on a team that was runner up?
I'm not saying he was the best choice for MVP, but I'm saying he was deserving
ruby pendant
Just curious what you liked about his performance. Recently, he already had some discussions with a few teams for a potential return for season 2 competitive play. http://www.gwinnettprepsports.com/sportsxchange/xqc-could-return-to-owl/article_cbada260-84ec-5d6e-a392-3ed2d5a6d54d.html