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OOF WHAT
BOSTON BASHERS
Good!!!
RISE UP LIKE 1776
so close
RIP Oceanbird
oof
damn
dallas is going to lose both rounds
we'll get it next time fuel 
quote me on this
that was fun to watch
this game has actually been pretty fun to watch
not a stomp for boston
and its 1-0 for dallas
surprising to say the least
More surprising that in two weeks Boston hasn't learned how this meta works even a little bit.
Good for dallas
yeah 
Losing Crusty looks like it did a whole lot of bad for them.
Note is a garbage Zarya.
im getting kinda confused
That's why, btw.
And the 2nd half of horizon
oh yeah
NotE, as good as he is, would have lost them second point Horizon playing into a Brig.
I hope Dallas win lol gonna be funny
I'll be kind of pissed. Not because Dallas won, but because Boston should have figured this out by now.
lol
They may fall to the current meta Dallas may rise
I mean they literally can't rise.
Endoken about to flip, if Fuel wins
They're out of everything, except maybe stage finals.
there's a date for Season 2?
Yep
sweet then
Eh I hope/expect they'll rotate the contenders schedule slowly.
So that Contenders is in OWL downtime.
Finally a win after like 12 loses
@sour pebble They beat Dragons
rip fuel
Mistakes should be off Widow and onto Junk, they got rid of their Pharah.
Double explosives into Brig would work.
holy shit
YES LETS GO
they actually got it
Not really.
you can do it FUEL
Gamsu and Kalios are both completely useless against Brigitte.
This is Boston just being retarded.
is note zarya good
nice
is kalios any better
@pearl stratus lol, too mean
Kalios has one of the best Zaryas in the league overall, stat wise.
university is good for zarya
Both of these maps are fine for Zarya.
but unlucky that they didn't get that part
Boston has no idea how to counter antidive.
They just can't play anything but dive, it would seem.
Literally all you have to do is rotate Mistakes to Brigitte.
Wait on Oasis City Center can you cap in that little hut in the center of the point?
rip boston
AAAAAHH
BOSTON LMAO
win you losers!!!
He's actually good at Junkrat and Pharah.
Two heroes who magically do REALLY GOOD AGAINST BRIGITTE.
unkoe taking control
It's more Mistakes.
ripppp
Okay rip boston
holy shit dallas
wow
they fucking did it
Mistakes is beyond useless in this meta so far.
DALLASSSSSSSSSSSSSS
damn

glad I was here to witness history
Fuel looking so much better
Holy shit Dallas.
Boston, you have let me down
They fucking did it.
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

@balmy wolf jinx you owe me a coke
DALLAS FUEL IS BACK BABY 
Nice
Now to see what happens when Dallas plays a team that isn't retarded in the meta.
Since so far they've had Shanghai and Boston XD
: (
Endoken, you flipping out!!!
I like this timeline.
don't be a meta team y'all, it'll fuck you up
frick
uNKOE fragged the fuck out
and right back to losing
I'm flipping out because Boston was the coaching team.
And this is just shit coaching.
im tired of seeing this clip of the ryujehong coalescence
WOOOOO
looks like Crusty did a lot for uprising
Dallas has a coach poggers
same lmao @grizzled kayak
Refueled everyone
thank you, Aero
@grizzled kayak hey, I remember you
hey, i also remember you
I mean I don't think Aero had to do much, tbh.
i think
EnvyUS always played tank metas well.
Two weeks ago if you told me that Dallas would beat Boston I would've fucking laughed my ass off
"mickey you play brig, seag you're allowed to play genji sometimes"
all they needed
Coach Aero MVP
boston's been havinga rough time this stage...
and "timo you're actually good at the game"
hell if you told be boston would beat anyone two weeks ago other than shanghai I would have laughed
You guys are underestimating Unkoe's presense as well
Eh the first map I saw from Boston in Stage 4 you kind of realized they were going to be shit.
Unkoe >Chipsajen
has shangai won a single game yet
Boston's primary coach left too, didnt he?
yep
from stage 3
yeah
he left for shock
Yeah, Crusty left to Shock.
and shock looking pretty good
But shit. You could have hired me as coach.
Boston is filled with a bunch of specialists
and Shock beat Seoul. hmmm
And they'd be playing a Brigitte.
They can literally only play dive
I almost forgot that Chipshajen existed
I would have super glued Mistakes hands to the mice, and auto locked him Brigitte for the last week.
And hit him with jumper cables if he complained.
Why not give Note a chance tho
DALLAS LUL
because Note is a really bad Zarya.
And Kalios is an amazing Zarya.
But it doesn't matter when you never play Zarya.
exactly lol
Like on that last map.
Kalios got a grav in the last 20% alone.
For Gardens someone should have shit on Mistakes picking Widow, since he's mid ground streaky at widow at best, and put him on Junkrat.
So you could have Striker Pharah and Mistakes Junkrat.
the best thing about the fuel victory is that its not luck
I mean, arguably its luck.
yes
Boston has fallen that low
They got lucky they got a team that is still playing Dive.
Do we consider that an upset
They arent even playing dive, they just seem onfused
Not with how Boston has been playing this stage.
confused*
Three OWL matches in, still haven't figured out how Brigitte works.
Blizzard needs to stop releasing really complex hard to play heroes.
Like Brigitte.
or Moira
Like right now.
need more straightforward heroes like Ana and Widow
Dallas is playing dive against dive.
And losing, badly.
After this point Mickie will swap to Brigitte.
And they'll go back to that comp for point B.
yep
Is the only reason Boston is doing so bad is because Mickie is on Brig
Yes.
and Boston wont adapt to it
um why are dallas running akm on widow when taimou was popping off on horizon
and fail to even climb over that hill choke
You have to be really bad if your main reason of losing as a Top Tier Team is Mickie
And they do it worse than Shanghai.
#FireAero
nvm lol
You should be
Also this strat works perfectly fine against Brig as well.
if youre losing because of mickie
i looked at the current score one time and i can't actually fathom it lmaoooo
unbeatable -> beaten by fuel confirmed
Double snipers is perfectly viable against her.
going on a perfect league
vs going on a winless league
except theyre not the first ones on the winless league
Which one has the higher chance of winning
Houston or LA
Oh my god what happened to this team
our maybe fuels dps are doing really good
Brigitte
but yknow\
Fuel has a gigantic advantage against those who cant adapt to Brigitte
but against the people who already adapted
ehh
Just tuned it, was playing dota.
Is Fuel good or is Boston bad?
little of both
Boston is bad in this meta
Fuel is better in this meta
better not exactly great though
Say I if you thought Boston would win
Envyus was used to playing really well in the tank meta
I
I'm the fuel fan and I was like "oh shit"
🤔
Really getting outplayed
fuelsbadman @balmy wolf
AKM putting so much work
yo ur name
AKM unleashing his inner sayaplayer on that last point
pasta brigitte
akm was just left free there

wtf
2 to the 1 to the 1 to the 3, I bring no winnings, and toxicity. I'm the Dallas fuel, and I appear as a fool.
(srry, but Season 1 is a LUL)
@median saddle and taimou in horizon
i get called pasta faguette a lot in comps 😦
Are you implying that "LUL" is pronounced "lool"?
fuelsamazingman
No
"Brigitte is a support." "Hold my beer." Mickie, flanking Boston who don't even know Brigitte is in this patch.
I'm saying FOOL
fuelsplayingaroundmickiesbrigitteman
not LUL
That was a risky play though
I thought the parenthetical was a continuation of the rhyme
Shanghai gonna beat Boston?
no
Pretty sure Boston thought AimGod died to a breeze, what's a Brig am I right
Mickie could have easily lost the game for Fuel
Shanghai Boston would be who actually can figure out the meta first.
they both cant adapt to brig for shit
B4 stage 4 started, I would see Mickie destroy ladder teams with Brigitte on SBB's streams
but Boston is the better shit
didnt know he'd be this good
I check the match its 1-0 to dallas, I check again and its 2-0 om the 4th map wtf happened
He's good
I still argue we don't know if he's -that- good yet.
Map 2 Draw
I want to see him play against Glad, Houston or NYXL first.
A team that understands the meta.
We dont really know what Pro Brig looks like
and Stomping on City Center oasis, 99-99 on Gardens
or theres barely any skill ceiling
Right now this is like me saying I know Karate because I fought an entire class of third graders.
Houston, Philly, and NYXL seem to have it figured out
@fast basin yeah O get that but HOWW TJE FUK DID THEY BEAT BOSTON
Maybe Mayhem will beat Valiant too
@rapid bobcat First off, Brigitte, second, TAIMOU
Looking forward to the other games
His reaper on Blizzard world was 24-1
boston probably thought stage 4 would be played on that old patch without brigitte and scrimmed without brigitte's
idk
They fucked up
and on Horizon he 1v2d Striker and Mistakes like the whole time
Yeah I saw striker on widow
he was ok
People saying striker one tricks tracer LUL
What a weird, but fun, way to start the week of OWL
dallas brought in sayaplayer instead of akm
Sayaplayer kills the entire enemy team but mayhem still loses the point
Its like saya is way out of the league with mayhem
saya is one of the best widows in the world
if mayhem had him already in stage 2 when they were playing really well
i mean
they'd do much better
bOSTON
gg
WOOOOO
WHY HAVE YOU BROKEN MY HEART
YESSSS
WHOOOPPPII
boston got destroyed

don't sell your soul to satan kids
AKM played so well
FUUUUUUCCCCCKKKK
or this is what happens
anyone else laughing at both widows vertically above/below each other at the end there
LMAO
Uhhh I just tuned in wtf happened

Boston lost 0-3 to Dallas
Boston broke
Fuel really outplayed them
MY BOYS BOSTON GOT 0-3'D BY FUCKING DALLAS
LMAOOOOOO FUEL GG
Even the dps have performed much better
FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
No crusty no win
Anne munition LUL
We'll that's depressing
HAHAHAHA
BURN BLUE 
PAID NAME LUL
Now time to cheer for the
BOIS
no drops 
I want to see saya pop off, so I guess I'll have to stay awake till 5 am
g fucking g
FUELSGOODMAN
Blizz arena burns blue today 
OLDMOU
Eey OLDMOU
Boston what are you doing
Taimou, looks so happy!!
ayy
Taimou tearing apart striker lul
LMAO taimou
10/10 accent
The fuck is reinforce wearing
Striker a better Widow than Mistakes though, that was fun.,
The fuck is sideshows haircut
what just happened to boston?
so did AKM
Effect carried that game 
Seagull is always the carry
I don't think that's fair on Dallas, they played very well
Yeah Boston didn't shine as they usually do but it's not fair to say Dallas weren't good
I think Mickie kinda deserves it, the difference between Mickie Brig vs Mickie D.Va last stage is probably the biggest jump
support btw
Jonak got similar stats
pongphop rattanasangchod?
how hard can saya carry
boston is dead
Doesn't matter they still lose anyway
So who's gonna be the scripted NYXL rival this stage?
@terse finch Dragons
Houston
@ruby pendant I said this stage not just in general
Philly has always been NYXL's biggest rival
@terse finch My bad!!!
It's probably Houston this time
i think philly will challenge them for the stage 4 finals again
it could very well happen
What stage were we in when Philly drama happened?
2
Where are my credits
yeah I'm not getting drops
The playoffs are really close with the 2nd-6th teams
Bostons still playing on 1.2, they didn't get the PTR updates.
i got like 2 drops in the past 2 weeks
They don't have Brigitte on their scrim client, apparently.
If you told me in Stage 3 that Boston would lose to Dallas I would have laughed at you.
But someone said that they got a 12 gb update on the ptr
Would be nice if Gladiators or Dynasty could turn things around
anyone else got that?
I think Mercy streams broke the token system
not a single drop today
yep, my last was 4 days ago also. rip token, hope they fix it soon
lol dallas won poggers
Never logged on
at least you guys got something
@rare sonnet Good day to celebrate!
wait what the fuck
Mayhem gonna win
dallas fuel won against boston 
Yeah

Boston suck in this meta.
What's next, Mayhem beating Valiant?
Probably not, but still.
where were u when boston was kill
Mayhem 4-0
going to be a 1-0, all the rest are ties
they've won 6 tho
Sideshow keeping it real today
holy shit
"Saya can hardcarry, but if he doesn't they just lose" paraphrasing
SAYAPLAYYYEEERRR
can anyone help me with getting the esports points in the next 5 mins
i have twitch and bliz linked but none have gone on my acc for the last lilke 2 hours while watching
It's not working for anyone.
It's glitched atm.
so i guess i'll still leave it up
Probably because of the BCRF streams.
LETS GO SAYAAA 
1st time trying to get the points

just doublechecking, are you Canadian Majora? There are special rules for Canadians.
Hey, Custa got a named jersey.
Only took 7 weeks
oof
Valiant would get so fucked in season playoffs
i hate : D on discord
If they don't have the first seed
hey chat STUNNED the current STUNNED meta is so STUNNED good, as a STUNNED tank main i STUNNED find myself STUNNED getting more STUNNED compliments for STUNNED shatters.
why do people spam that even without brig in the game
oo they did it
Mayhem 4-0
sounds like the work of an enemy hanzo
KR is kind of boring now
they held pretty damn well considering they were 4 minutes left when they hit the third part
yeah
zebbo is a bot
wow
WINNABLE!!!!
manneten's zarya is god
Nice!!!
yeah
what is happening
insane
why do the bad teams keep beating the good teams
Brigitte!!
lol
Definitely winnable
Being LAV fan is stressful
Mayhem 4-0
I am 😦
UNBELIEVABLE

If this is another upset
Sayaplayer is CRAZY
Sayaplayer is on another level of Widow.
Important map for Florida
@rapid bobcat Mayhem 4-0
This is SUPER winnable
agilitieslooked mega boosted that game\
aside from Q'ing into gravs
he was good at that
I can do that in gold as well
GordonRamsay for OWL
Trying to reach plat this season 
👍
We're at 2399 its doable
WINNABLE!
but they already won?
Uprising OMEGALUL
Thank god i thought some how df got good
I only watch nyxl, shd, and df matches
Nyxl cause they are my team, shd and df cause they are so shit.
holy shit florida
what a brawl
LETS GO BOISSS
nice
Mayhem putting in some work
im not so excited for new hanzo to come in OWL
this meta so far has been pretty good
Tvqi solo tanking for Widow
agilities
THE BOOP LOL
florida pls
that was fast
wow
tviq's positioning, rip
I belieeeeeve in the draw
gg
shit
how is zebbo so bad
man I love when Twitch spams JEFF in chat during this song
I dunno why but it makes me laugh every time
first map win this stage oof
oh my oh my dallas won!
I'm still confused how Agilities died, why would you put shield down before getting behind the corner against a top tier Widow, I just don't get it
that was weird
Bren sounds like he says "Brig-Kitten"
ahah the Jeff spam is back
WAIT
LOGIX IN FOR SAYA?
Not logix for tviq
taking out saya...rip
wait what
so i went to OW reddit
am i reading a serious post when it says DF beat BU?
wtf
Dreamkazper's revenge
wasn't even close
Ayy soon got logix
was it DF actually playing well or was BU just amazingly bad
if you had to choose one
both
60% BU played bad, 40% DF played good
boston playing bad
what i've seen it described as
#HowToCounterBrigitte
is DF just somehow going to be gods in this brigitte meta
can play okay brigitte, can counter brigitte well kinda deal?
LAV always looks behind the enemy in this game, always playing catchup
@forest wharf actually, do you mean that DF countered BU's brigitte well, or was BU just clueless about how to counter DF brig?
the latter
basically was shanghai game 2.0 but BU was actually expected to win
shanghai got absolutely destroyed by DF brig too
yeah
maybe mickie's brig IS actually above average
Wait
i forget who it was, but a DF player said the SHD win wasn't mickie being a god but shd just being clueless
did dallas beat boston
3-0 apparently
monkaWTF
lol, salty
they go 10-0 last stage, beating nyxl then gets rekt 3-0 by fuel 
SHD = Boston
boston downfalling
i still dont see why they swapped out saya...
was he popping off?
WTF was that snipe
something that i've noticed mayhem do over the last three stages was to switch logix out when he's popping off lol
then put zappis in
lose the round
then put logix back in
that was mayhem's MO last stage i think
thats what they did on the philly game...saya destroys then they swapped him out and lost
or maybe it was the nyxl game, idk
maybe they're just trying to cool down their players because they're getting too warmed up
lol
can't have our players stay on fire
👏 Stay 👏 on 👏 the 👏 bench 👏 ty👏
wow OWL getting big
actual ads
meta
oooohhhh saya back
lol sayaplayer nopin the fuck out
saya panicing
it feels like
"mayhem not even close to the point" is that what he said?
fl's healers are just not good at all
@heady idol think so
Saya is going to hardcarry them to game 5
as you say that he gets a 3k
wow
phew
Valiant winning ResidentSleeper
get saya out of this dumpster fire
You know, even with no tokens, 100k viewers. Wonder if this sends a signal to Blizz or investors or something
"They arne't just watching for the drops"
idk maybe I'm reading too much into it
The drops are nice though.
You can actually still get the drops by muting the tab.
Not muting the twitch stream
If Outlaws do good this stage, they can place in Playoffs
Same with Glads, would be interesting to see who wins this match
Glads hopefully
WTF Boston actually lost to Dallas

also void prob playing tongiht
Hopefully my Houston team wins
@median saddle Gonna be hard!
I want to see Void played
Imagine going 10-0 one stage and not making the playoffs
That would be a nice headline
time to watch the outlaws continue to lose
?
they got a fastest point a takes in OWL history against Boston also, forgot which map
JEFF JEFF JEFF JEFF
Fuck outta here wolf
@brisk roost lol
Apparently winning to him is losing
@humble moth Explain the 4-0 Houston gave to London
Void PogChamp
autistic screeching intensifies
i'm expecting glads 3-2
Expecting the same but Houston 3-2
gg
Fuel went 3-0 against Uprising???
yup
🤦 the state of you
like these diverse comp
oof gold strats
you can tell they turned the crowd mics wayyy down
kinda sad
now its just faint way too loud autistic screeching
the casters are mispronouncing everything
all these dragons my god
The dragons wasn't the problem.
Hanzo always charged ult fast.
The problem was Spree KEPT UP WITH HIM.
That's the scary part.
Spree is a monster
When your Zarya is charging gravs as fast as your Hanzo is charging dragons you're going to be a little nutty.
Nerves and adjusting to LAN. Other than Jjonak no one has been like "I'M SO GOOD ON LADDER" and gone insane in OW.
Ladder is where bench players go to pretend they still matter.
depends
There's also note 🤔
Note didn't start insane, that was a lot of coaching.
Jjonak literally just showed up and threw balls into peoples faces.
I want bischu in over void
Tbh they'll probably perform about the same
Void just opens up different comps than Bischu, they'll be used for their own things.
Unless bischus communication is a greater factor
Maps where you may want a D'va/Brig, you'll get Brigitte.
Maps where you want to not have a DPS rotate to Zarya you can play Void, and have a DPS pick up Brig.
Did Void play that bad?
woah I just got an OWL drop'
I missed it
Nah he didn't play badly.
oh
i'm a fcking bischu fangirl tho :))
Reinforce was like "HE KICKS MY ASS ALL THE TIME YOU CAN'T STOP HIM"
And Spree was like "Lol. Hold my beer."
And got 30second Gravs back to back to back.
I'm sure he'll be fine.
But realistically in terms of actual play - Spree is by far the best Zarya in the league.
@pearl stratus 30 sec!!! Lol trolling
Not even trolling, you'll see when you watch it.
Spree matched Jakes charging of Hanzo ults.
haha
Didn't know you told jokes
even more actually
was really funny, Hanzo charges a bit fast
I could understand it, she's honestly one of the most fun heroes to play when you have a coordinated team.
@heady idol congrats
doesn't hanzo charge like almost 10% per fully charged shot
Yeah, 30-40 seconds is about normal for hanzo ult charging, if not a little quicker if you go crazy.
That actually hasn't changed much from pre to post nerfs.
If you set up "ideal" circumstances Genji charges the fast iirc.
This tracer strat hurts to watch
lol yeah that too
One good reflect from an entire team of idiots and you can get blade in like 10 seconds.
do you get ult charge from deflected ults?
If its deadeye and stuff I believe so.
Yikes 
btw is ult charge determined by damage connected to the enemy, or damage actually taken by the enemy?
like if I land a body shot with mccree on a nano'd target
do i get 70 dmg's worth of charge or 35
I believe its the 35, but I could very well be wrong.
i feel like that's how it'd be too
but i also wouldn't be surprised if it was just the whole 70
i was just wondering lol
Whooooooo
That was a bit too quick
is it safe to say that that jake attack was the worst tracer play in the league so far
oh my lord how does it happen so often lol
Linkzr is getting dunked on 
that drag from jake though
gg
huuuuge
shaz getting more snipes than linkzr 
gg
@ruby monolith @brisk roost told ya so


@brisk roost Sorry for your loss
@warped axle He did amazing
heh the watch next tab in the twitch owl pop up thing has xqc's stream as the first
Wait was that a car ad starring Hex and Soe
lol stupid toyota commercial
Damn I looked away
yes kuni
this was the second toyota commercial with OWL mods
which i;ve seen tonight
the commercials are so funny
yup
so i was reading some reddit posts and saw some people complaining about OWL tokens. Are owl tokens finally all-access pass only?
also fuck-yeah fuel 
yh i didnt earn any last night
.......
kinda sucked cause im brit so its 12am- 4am
Any news about the start of Phase 2 Votings for the Overwatch World cup ?
hey guys, is anyone in here from europe and is able to see ads in twitch to get free cheers?
there are 2 new skins for mercy and genji in twitch and to get both you need to cheer 2600 points... which turns out to be 40€ more or less (without the watch ads option)
where were you when boston dies


Is Dallas gonna pick up more wins this stage?
maybe
yeah, I was gonna say they can get a W against Florida
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh
the only reason why they beat Boston is because Boston is literally shit right now
Mickie got that mf thang on him since he's playing Brig now
So why is boston literally shit right now after such a great run last stage?
That’s such a huge drop even considering that this is a new patch, imo
Going undefeated last stage then solidly losing to the second worst team in the league
they sold their souls for a perfect stage
nah but honestly, this is a new meta where you need those projectile heroes to take care of things, a.k.a. Pharah. who knows how to play Pharah on that team? nobody, but tbh I didn't expect them to be this bad starting off
@paper crag I would put it down to training regimen to practice for stage 4 meta was held back by the Boston fan visit, a routine thing in the future but probably not the biggest reason for fault 2 weeks into the stage
They are screwed for team compositions if they can't pull of triple tank to foil the brigitte and projectiles being played by every other team
are boston the next shanghai?
@paper crag Boston plays dive perfectly - they cannot play anything else at all remotely well at the moment. It's an odd coaching decision because honestly no one has said Brigitte was "hard" to play so they should be able to make at least a basic comp work. But thats when you notice some glaring issues with their hero pools.
Their best thing to do would be to superglue Mistakes into a chair and force him to figure out Brigitte for a week, then let Striker rotate between his hero pool (since it looks like he's a better Widow than Mistakes too)
Striker and mistakes don't have too much overlap
It's not the overlap its Mistakes pool in general.
He's Widow, Tracer, Genji, Sombra. Widow being the only valuable one when you drop dive and go into a Brig comp.
And his Widows just not that great, its much too streaky and inconsistent.
it is incredibly disappointing to see what they have and not have a way to pop off without widow on a good day
Striker so far in this stage has looked, hands down, as the better Widow and he has Pharah and Junkrat. His Pharah is mediocre, but its still there at least.
Sombra plays have been awesome but that's like striker's tracer trying to go ham VS brigitte
Mistakes should, by all accounts, be the one to rotate to Brig when its necessary
Gamsu Rein, Kalios Zarya, Mistakes Brig, Striker Widow/Junk/Pharah, Kellex Mercy, Neko/Aimgod Zen.
And they'd have a counter comp.
Or keep pushing the double sniper. Just something that isn't trying to Dive into her.
I don't find my self seeing more doomfist, but would love to have either players playing him
If you can predict the shield bash cool downs and dodge the flail toss
It's a rewarding counter to use, but niche
Not for Boston, it seems
I think its more his consistency and lack of range. Jumping into a pro group of Brig/Zen/Rein just doesn't seem.... good.
It is fun when he does pop up now and again though
It's not their bracket of heroes
But he needs that element of surprise more than anything.
I need to see more solider, which has dropped so much in the past two stages
Yeah, Shanghai was really the only team to go a little crazy with him towards the end of last stage.
I guess AKM found himself in a good spot after today's matchup
And Diya used him well, but his overall effectiveness is just so hit or miss.
I think Diya, by all accounts, his dps is overshadowed by the competition
Most of stage 3 I'd agree, end of Stage 3 start of Stage 4 I'd disagree.
Watching Diya out-Widow some really really strong Widows will never not make me happy.
Still you gotta admit if they do anything with him next season it will have to be how much more he can give to a team he has to carry