at this point would it be more beneficiary to go either way?
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
Judging by the Baguette Blab conversation it looks like some teams have been scrimming new hanzo.
Some haven't.
pearl stratus
Yep.
First week will probably be still predominantly dive I'd guess.
So teams can figure out what they're working with.
With the few teams who scrimmed the right side of things using new stuff.
river tinsel
olol
the teams that scrim with hanzo will win
that e is broken and since his jump he can just run from enemys
not to mention sonic is at 12 seconds now
pearl stratus
Unless new Hanzo doesn't make it in.
At which point the people who scrimmed Hanzo would lose.
limber pine
KR and WP:G in the rotation
river tinsel
?
limber pine
even if Hanzo doesn't become meta in OWL, there are some decent Hanzo maps
river tinsel
yes but when u can just play something else
but when brigitte comes out u will stop playing genji and maybe tracer so
hanzo make take the spot to combo with widow
limber pine
I don't think we'll see much less of Tracer
I do think we won't see Genji
not that he was being played alot these days anyway
river tinsel
he was getting decent play time
but u know when a hero is all about the ult and u jump in and get stunned and killed instantly by a support..
well
the only counterplay with blade to brigitte that i found is that you dash through her at close range then slash dash on top of her
balanced
limber pine
he's been getting less play as the stages have gone by. Genji's have become Widows
sans a few maps
pearl stratus
I like that we'll probably see a lot of the niche tanks come back out.
Spree, for instance.
scarlet spear
watch seoul play xepher over zunba on Zarya 😐
torpid charm
I was so pissed whenever they would play Xepher over Zunba
limber pine
@proper flower #lf-players-na
opaque cargo
It's going to be soul crushing to see geguri on brigitte
if shanghai go that route
I really hope they're gonna let her run zarya
proper flower
My bad, thank you @limber pine
pearl stratus
They've got enough supports they shouldn't need to.
Though Diya is a really good Zarya too, he's a bit like Sinatraa in that the one time we saw him play her he got quick gravs and solid damage
river tinsel
if shanghai just played 1 roster since the start of stage 3 they could have gotten a win off dallas
but instead they swap between dps tank and healer roles
pearl stratus
What.
river tinsel
like sometimes their tanks are on heals and dps etc
or healers
swap to dps
unless that was before stage 3
pearl stratus
That's literally never happened except for MG on Tracer when Undead and Diya BOTH went back to CHina.
So they had no DPS.
pearl stratus
Yep.
pearl stratus
Nope. Xusha is their flex OT/Pharah, thats the only one you might have seen since they didn't really have a projectile DPS player prior to Ado.
But Xushu never played much.
Stage 3 was them bringing in an entirely new roster with 4 new people.
If they'd played Dallas later in the stage they would have been fine, but Effect got angry.
And now Effect is having a mental breakdown and won't play Stage 4.
But all in all in terms of EnvyUS despite them being mostly washed up this is the type of meta they do well at.
stuck agate
She's a national treasure
stuck agate
THE BEST BOT
limber pine
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
stuck agate
Just two more days until Shanghais first win
jagged crater
2 days till stage 4 matches, dont know if new hanzo in yet LOL
limber pine
feelsbad
vernal galleon
do you think they will announce it prior to the stage starting or no?
vestal berry
It's gonna be exactly like last stage if they don't put new hanzo in
jagged crater
exactly as in stale?
meta will be entirely diff
tho even with hanzo in , we might see the same 6 heroes
competitive right now in GM is like the same 6 heroes
but hopefully meta develops and we see more of other things
if there's one thing pros are better at is coordinating dive so we can see a healthy coexistance of tanky and dive comps
silk linden
will boston be rip
vestal berry
I mean, I feel like brig is more easily dealt with in esport level teams
jagged crater
but hanzo is fuckin beast tho , esp in the hands of a pro
libero hanjo Poggers
seagull hanzo
guys i love to see hanzo on
vestal berry
Fusion is rip though
jagged crater
teams that dont rely on tracer/genji will def benefit
vestal berry
Souel benefits the most from brig yeah?
vernal galleon
soo no SSB
silk linden
SHD gonna 10-0 with the geguri carry
jagged crater
but libero will be the star dps if new hanzo is in
tho im sure every pro dps player is grinding hanzo right now in comp
silk linden
what if they grind hanzo, then they don't put new hanzo in
vestal berry
Mercy damage boosted hanzo is most likely going to be the most common combo, even more than grav - dragonstrike
Cause a headshotted storm arrow with boost is above 200
jagged crater
i wonder if we'll see another meta by playoffs too
vernal galleon
the one true god
jagged crater
oh she's meming now!
jagged crater
by now i mean since arriving to the US
silk linden
she's learned to speak english from xqc streams
jagged crater
y'all corrupted her
silk linden
she's beyond salvation
pure path
is xqc still in the overwatch league?
vernal galleon
negative
pure path
i thought he got banned or something for being racist
vernal galleon
got to many fines and wasnt brand safe
vernal galleon
so he got released
pure path
good job on OWL for releasing that trash
vernal galleon
toxic
torpid charm
Geguri is an icon
vernal galleon
the one true god
vestal berry
I wonder how many twitch chat proxies we can get, xqc learned from twitch chat, geguri learned from xqc, at what point does it become normal English again?
Can we get a peer reviewed study on this? Twitch chat cancer
vernal galleon
if you were to try to study this you might die of insanity
jagged crater
twitch chat is when you turn into an 8 year old temporarily
torpid charm
when I was watching contenders over the weekend, I looked at twitch and it was horrible
silk linden
twitch chat is modern hyeroglyphs
with an added layer when people post twitch emotes outside of twitch
like, think of all the layers "monkaS" has
silk linden
fuck, another layer
torpid charm
someone said "kappa" to me in school and I was like "the fuck"
deft valley
I have a friend that unironically says pogchamp out loud
and you thought people who say "lol" were the end of days
silk linden
it just keeps getting worse
you know when you think the adults are overreacting to whatever the teenagers are into, then you become an adult and the teens start horrifying you
torpid charm
I'm a teen and I'm horrified by other teens
pearl stratus
Teens don't horrify me, their parents do.
Because like 80% of them should never have been parents but they just keep spawning more stupid as fuck minions.
I stick with the John Mulaney school of thought:
Don’t get me wrong, my parents love us. They just didn’t like us. We weren’t friends. People are now like, “My mom’s my best friend.” I was like, “Oh, is she a super bad mom?” My parents didn’t trust us, and they shouldn’t have trusted us. We were little goblins.
torpid charm
oh shit. you wanna hear something cool, Endoken?
pearl stratus
Uh. I guess.
torpid charm
I met Sado, and he was very nice. I gave him a gift and he thanked me. it was lit
also, Snillo is pretty damn tall.
tight vault
give everyone in the OWL a bench as a gift
pearl stratus
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Dragons lost, everyones getting hyped at the worst time.
pearl stratus
EnvyUS is shit at dive, but they're good at deathball. You could unbench half their roster and they'd be back in Apex from like two years ago.
Only thing I don't know is who on the roster can play Zarya.
silk linden
seagull
pearl stratus
Nah Seagull is for new hanzo now.
So maybe AKM.
If its not new hanzo
Then still not Seagull.
Because Junkrat.
Most hitscan DPS can play a passable Zarya.
spring lintel
Contenders finals chat was hilarious, everyone giving shit to the view count
ruby pendant
@spring lintel Will Korean contender champion team face off EU's or NA's champion team too?
spring lintel
I dunno but i dont think so
tight vault
who won
ruby pendant
EU
latent current
warped axle
sullen berry
@silk linden if watchpoint were to really self-parody the OWL, everytime it goes to something controversial they should go "... anyway, here's Geguri" 🐸
coarse willow
wow people talk in this channel when OWL isnt on? lol
sullen berry
@latent current 
neat
coarse willow
thought this place would be empty
sullen berry
I dont chat when the games are on
torpid charm
yeah same, very fast moving. I come in here on non Fusion game days
sullen berry
Most of us stuck to the rules in place and keep an eye on things more related to the competition from social media and whatnot
Since there are 11/12 team servers
🤨 Shanghai don't have their own official discord presemce
coarse willow
wait the teams have their own discords?
sullen berry
lol
sullen berry
You can literally type the team names when you enter the discord server
I guessed most of them and it worked
torpid charm
I'm only in the Shanghai discord and Fusion discord, I tried to branch out to other teams but I just can't do it
sullen berry
Anything that's not fusion will probably ping announces a couple times
Fusion streams happen every single day, hoonmaru comes up the most from memory before I muted the server entirely
Despite that, my 5 fave servers are 
@coarse willow if you can find the good ones, you can win owl tokens to buy a skin if you join the conversation and the watch parties
torpid charm
I love Fusion discord. I lurked around in Glad's discord for like an hour then left
all the Fusion boys stream too close together in time so I'm like constantly surfing through streams
warped axle
I only follow Fusions
coarse willow
what does that mean @sullen berry
sullen berry
Got 100 league tokens when I joined one of the watch parties, it's random and you kinda have to be interested to have a chance
coarse willow
whats a watch party
sullen berry
Oh
Discord Server joins a vc while everyone watches the stream together
Some are irl
But I'm on the other side of the world
So I went and talked in VC during one of the team games
They did a giveaway during an ad break
I was lucky enough to get the skin I wanted to support them
That's the 3rd free skin I've earned instantly
torpid charm
I'm excited for Seoul vs. Val, idk why
eager prairie
fun fact/leak: overwatch has white and gray overwatch league skins for each hero. i don't know when they will release it, but I believe they will eventually.
torpid charm
I think you have to cheer on Twitch to get them, I forget
warped axle
I kind of want Seoul to go ham
RyuJeKong better be back
I have like 5 OWL gray skins
torpid charm
RyuJeKong best RyuJe
warped axle
But they're on characters like Tracer, Widow, Hanzo who have WAY better skins
slim summit
they were going to be cheer rewards but then nobody was cheering 
took weeks to get the first one, so they put a cheaper one in the middle
eager prairie
there are gray and white skins for every hero
the patch they are going to play is 1.22 and it will not have updated hanzo
warped axle
source
eager prairie
uhhhh i don't want to say
may or may not be personal experience
but yea, they are playing on 1.22
sullen berry
Scatter arrow VS brigitte 
eager prairie
wait was scatter arrow released in 1.22 or 1.23?
sullen berry
They've put themselves out to dry with those two changes between patches
The latter
Since brigitte nerfs to shield bash cone were introduced at the same time
eager prairie
yea, 1.22 was Avoid as Teammate, so scatter arrows will be in
and brigitte's shield bash nerf will not be there.
free leaks for people in r/overwatch
^ should i post that somewhere?
sullen berry
Not when it's speculative as you've mentioned
Your only validation is going to come from official sources but you can definitely say what you want based on findings like that
A healthy dose of week 1 matches including the phrase "remember, this is not the patch with hanzo's new ability storm arrows"
I'd be interested if the buff to the Scatter cool down will make it because that was hotly contested to be a benefit to playing hanzo
Perhaps most underrated is the shift 10 meters when they have blizzard world back in the map rotation for the playoffs
hidden vault
Can't they just play the latest patch?
balmy wolf
@hidden vault that invalidates all the strategizing they do, and throws them into games they don't even know the balancing of.
hidden vault
well I suppose they could play on the same patch for the whole season
that would be the fairest
it's hard to determine the duration the patch to be out
for the pros to have enough time strategising
but it is most definitely weird see OWL league playing a different patch from us
raven gate
anyone know a good discord comunity for pugs if so please dm me
inner solstice
🌞🌞🌞🌞
sleek zephyr
Anyone know why fusion uni couldn't wear their jerseys?
limpid estuary
fresh turret
yeah that is the reason, so I've heard
sullen berry
nothing more to explain, seems that's what made more marketable
than going with similar alt names
Fusion U.
F.Uni
by the time watchpoint is being livestreamed
It'll feel long overdue
balmy wolf
F U
sullen berry
heck I'll be surprised if they don't announce patch changes introduced to stage 4 to build tension
unneccessary pressure on the panel
fresh turret
They will announce them now tho
they aren't unprofessional
But can you please tell me when Watchpoint is streamed?
torpid charm
I'm about to buy a FU Jersey probably, lol
sullen berry
May 15, 11PM EST, 8PM PST
about 15 hours from now
it's been a long wait, but finally we can expect sado to be playable for fusion
vestal berry
Do we know which patch is gonna be used?
limber pine
no
sullen berry
maybe in the next 13.5 Hours, check the overwatch league twitch channel
limber pine
yeah they'll probably announce it on Watchpoint today
eager prairie
i know which patch will be used, but you probably should wait for watchpoint.
limber pine
how do you know what patch it will be on
sullen berry
scrolling up, he's deducing which patch it has to be
all I know is that monte said that brigitte will be in this stage - having sufficient inside knowledge for OWL ahead of time
it wouldn't be hard to guess out of the four available patches available (including, but unlikely, the PTR)
scarlet spear
its pre-hanzo buff patch btw
1.22
@limber pine https://twitter.com/natenanzer/status/996433020008652800 maybe worth posting to #esports-news
limber pine
Yah I saw
tight vault
Shanghai will win stage 4
vernal galleon
yep
pearl stratus
I mean at least thats' a semi-valid reason, albeit an annoying one.
opaque cargo
also:
jakerat meta
cerulean plume
60k average viewership here we come 
tight vault
2k average viewership
limber pine
60k would still double their original projection
so disappointing, but still better than projected
tight vault
Shanghai dragon viewership
pearl stratus
60k is also just twitch numbers,.
People always forget theres like 5 other places for viewer numbers too.
Btw for you drama folks.
Kyky just went full leaks about Dallas.
stuck agate
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
pearl stratus
Unpopular opinion but I think Dallas is going to win.
Because the Brigitte meta is close to the meta that EnvyUS was actually good at.
tight vault
Shanghai will beat Valiant
limber pine
if OP Brigitte is going to get lots of playtime, this Stage could be anybody's
it should be fun
scarlet spear
yeah i doubt shanghai will win it
bitter phoenix
What did kyky "leak"? That Mickie is adorable 24/7 and seagull is just 3 seagulls in a bodysuit?
scarlet spear
we havent even seen fearless flex to reinhardt once so far? hse always been on monkey 100% ado has been great on tracer/genji but played nothing else yet
and the supports for shanghai have been historically pretty bad so gotta wait out and see how they'll perform in a triple support situation
silk linden
Does Geguri Is Gay? https://puu.sh/AmOcq/cb204df1da.jpg
tight vault
where are those from lul
silk linden
her discord
tight vault
o
silk linden
tight vault
these are great
tight vault
o
limber pine
legally now
silk linden
https://78.media.tumblr.com/d21df8fb813448e8d0f9f0728c29265d/tumblr_inline_p8rpcgFSC81t0f2cy_500.png
I will stop reposting everything geguri does or says when she stops being the best
eager prairie
i told you it would be 1.22
limber pine
k
stuck agate
i kinda wanted to see all the hanzo plays that wouldve come with the newer patch, ngl
fast basin
oof
teal folio
Jakerat has always been meta
torpid charm
Fusion Uni's former head coach is now head coach for Dallas Fuel
pearl stratus
Good luck working with hastr0.
Also I'm fine with 1.22, judging by the wording that bug is on the tournament only client and it would have sucked,
Because what are you going to do if someone can't be readded during a pause/drop - even if it rarely happens. Stop the entire map, or start it over?
limber pine
Yeah I think most people think it’s a reasonable explanation
pearl stratus
I mean there's the inherent "WHY WOULDN'T THEY TELL US EARLIER" but that would have been stupid.
And thankfully a few of the coaches mentioned they were told to practice on 1.22 till told otherwise.
So people are at least prepped for the right stuff.
limber pine
Yeah
pearl stratus
It'll be a little disjointed, but nothing too crazy. Just more junkrat than Hanzo.
Which honestly could be emulated by 90% of the people below GM anyway and be fine.
torpid charm
Aero is very nice
sullen berry
Aero will definitely be worth watching
I'm imagining if they can reach their 3nd win with his coaching
he'll be looking to turn heads with serious upset potential against the Korean/LA teams
onyx shore
no new hanzo on stage 4?
good job overwatch league
the only thing consistent is your inconsistency
glossy dragon
Anyone know when the 12 away skins will be put in overwatch from the All Access Pass?
vivid solar
!standings
somber yewBOT
W L MP MAP W-L-T
1 
New York Excelsior 27 3 30 98-30-2
2 
Boston Uprising 22 8 30 79-52-1
3 
London Spitfire 20 10 30 84-46-1
4 
Seoul Dynasty 19 11 30 72-53-3
5 
Los Angeles Valiant 18 12 30 72-51-5
6 
Philadelphia Fusion 18 12 30 71-62-1
7 
Houston Outlaws 16 14 30 72-59-1
8 
Los Angeles Gladiators 16 14 30 66-61-2
9 
San Francisco Shock 12 18 30 54-68-3
10 
Dallas Fuel 6 24 30 36-83-6
11 
Florida Mayhem 6 24 30 35-86-4
12 
Shanghai Dragons 0 30 30 17-105-1
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
torpid charm
Malik hosting Watchpoint, it's lit
sullen berry
so the pressure is on
more time to embrace teams uncovering their working formula to stage 4
verbal roost
dirty thirty 😮
warped axle
OWL app is not showing matches 
fresh turret
Okay great now we finally have official statement on the patch
dusky tinsel
I think its fair enough, particularly if there's a bug with pausing
This stage is pretty exciting. New York are the only team that could go 0-10 and still be in the playoffs, whereas teams like Philadelphia need to win 8 assuming that Houston or the Gladiators win all 10
Oh and the world champs get $1M
slim summit
is the pausing bug really inexorably linked to the balance changes / hanzo rework?
doubt
hazy arrow
Dallas Fuel has finally a new coach. Good
As the season is lost, he has now full stage to meet the team and get the idea of who will stay and who will go
According to ESPN he will lead Dallas against Dragons tomorrow so I wonder for how long he has been working with the team
fresh turret
is anyone else having trouble connecting to the OW forums?
torpid charm
Aero announced that he was leaving Fusion Uni a little while ago so since he's at Dallas now, I'm sure in the time he's been communicating with the team.
warped axle
Now I'm scared for 
torpid charm
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
tacit tartan
** 
DALLAS OVERRATED SHANGHAI UNDERESTIMATED LONG HAVE WE WAITED SHANGHAI ACTIVATED **
balmy wolf
we all know that dallas is trash anyways
tacit tartan
They just got a new Head Coach 👀
balmy wolf
I know
tacit tartan
It all depends on whether Effect plays tonight though
balmy wolf
stage 4 will be who is going to get kicked out of the team
lmao
It's sad seeing half of the teams because you know they're most likely going to lose
torpid charm
Effect won't be playing stage 4
verbal roost
The whole stage?
limber pine
correct
twin dragon
He opted out of playing stage 4, he's basically on the verge of snapping mentally
lilac atlas
And he is still in Korea
tacit tartan
I feel bad for him
torpid charm
it's very sad
candid cedar
spring lintel
With hanzo not being in owl
Junkrat is gonna be the standard pick if they play zarya rein
Do we know the maps in stage 4?
spring lintel
Maps like anubis and numbani is gonna be a pain for attack
I can see them running quad/triple tank with moira an brig
And lucio
sacred cargo
Blizzard World and Kings Row are also in the rotatin
spring lintel
So triple tanks
sacred cargo
rotation
spring lintel
Okay these are kinda normal for the meta
Not gonna be awkward
Numbani and anubis first is awkward as fuck
limber umbra
brawl comps are gonna be fun to watch after two stages of dive
pearl stratus
I mean right now most of the analysts who are close to the teams have said they've seen all manner of weird ass comps for OWL.
One of the benefits of it being an unplayed patch for (us) is that it leaves a lot of open diversity till a meta settles.
I think the start of Stage 4 will actually be really interesting.
And not just Rein/Zarya/Hanzo/Brig with Gravonstrikes.
I think Shock, Houston, London and Boston will probably defer to Junkrat play, LAV sometimes. But I think a lot of teams might do some weird stuff.
idle beacon
why did bostons headcoach leave?
rustic perch
so what now btw? dunno if it's answered already, but did anyone confirm yet if every current update will be in the upcoming stage or not?
sacred cargo
Probably better money @idle beacon
pearl stratus
@rustic perch It's on 1.22, which most players and coaches agree with.
Most plat chat people go REEEEE.
And it turns out Sleepy was right all along.
rustic perch
1.22 was before the hanzo rework, i guess?
pearl stratus
Yeah.
rustic perch
so with brigitte, but without hanzo rework + tracer nerf
pearl stratus
There's a bug on the tournament client they couldn't fix that makes people unable to rejoin if they get a tech issue.
Also as the spaz Sleepy says:
Twitter
rustic perch
well depends, i'd love to see other teamcomps than winston+dva all the way
pearl stratus
Especially since they just announced Hanzo nerfs today 😛
rustic perch
hope brigitte is enough for that
pearl stratus
She is.
Rally single-handled destroys their damage potential.
We'll still see Dive on the very Dive positive maps.
But so far I think we'll see a lot of variety overall.
rustic perch
sure, but the mercy nerf also was "huge" and people said she's out of the game now finally but still a situational pick
yet she's present in almost every owl match
rustic perch
playable =/= must-have
and in her current state she's still a must have, just not broken anymore
pearl stratus
Widow on LAN makes a bigger difference than Ladder.
Which is why for OWL she's so present, because Widow is so present.
LAN makes Widow a ridiculous pick. And a safe ress for Mercy.
So its a perfect synergy.
It's why post moth meta she really tanked on ladder pickrate, but maintained in OWL.
And now she's recovering in the deathball comp for damage boosting Hanzo.
He's replaced the Widow.
rustic perch
we'll see tho
limber pine
stuck agate
OOOOOHHH skinss
limber pine
NoTe Dva, Ryujehong Ana, Geguri Zarya, Profit Genji, Moth Lucio, Sayaplayer Widow, Fate Orisa, Fissure Winston, Fragi Reinhadt, Jjonak Zenyatta, Jake Junkrat
and whoever plays Sombra on Dallas
not a bad set
torpid charm
Fragi Rein 💦
pearl stratus
Isn't that from getting the access pass or whatever?
torpid charm
yes
pearl stratus
Sadly not worth it for me since I'd only use the skins on like.. two heroes.
fiery reef
Whats the difference between the GA20 and General Admission Bowl seating? GA20 doesn't have any details but they both cost the same (for Barclays grand finals)
I heard when floor tickets were up, they were 80$ .. so it makes me think GA20 isn't floor ... must also be bowl seating?
tight vault
shanghai winnng today
cerulean plume
sacred cargo
Yeah Shanghai going to finally put a W up tonight
pearl stratus
I still think Dallas might just win. Brawl was always what EnvyUS did well since it required no overall strategy.
tight vault
Dallas is winning we should just admit it
hazy arrow
Effect is in my opinion very likely out of OWL forever
balmy wolf
i clicked redeem but i didnt get them ingame yet?
hazy arrow
He may try it next season, he may even try it with another team, but regardless of team, is totally mentally unstable
He could be playing for NYXL and he would still need to go back to Korea
pearl stratus
@silk linden `Geguri was learning English phrases from dad jokes, or "아재개그" as they're called in Korean. After eating a piece of fish, she looked up from her phone.
"Frogs are toadally awesome!" she told me, repeating a joke she shared on social media the day before. She giggled, pleased with herself as I snorted slightly, trying not to laugh.`
This article also explains why we see so much Altering now.
Altering who has become the default communication leader since he understands Korean, English and Mandarin.
torpid charm
Geguri is adorable
stuck agate
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
tight vault
Geguri is the best
sullen berry
If Spitfire were Mewtwo and NYXL is Mew, what would seoul dynasty be?
tight vault
failures
rapid bobcat
a mess
limber pine
Jigglypuff
hazy arrow
Hey, anybody remember user DreamkazperDidNothingWrong? Do you know his current nick?
sullen berry
it's definitely not DreamKazper
if that is what you're asking
he can still participate with his og nick, but he would have rebooted his identity and joined a team back in open division or contenders
balmy wolf
!news
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
warped axle
summer hill
scarlet spear
nope, effect is still in korea and will most likely not be in stage 4 at all
sullen berry
!standings
somber yewBOT
W L MP MAP W-L-T
1 New York Excelsior 27 3 30 98-30-2
2 Boston Uprising 22 8 30 79-52-1
3 London Spitfire 20 10 30 84-46-1
4 Seoul Dynasty 19 11 30 72-53-3
5 Los Angeles Valiant 18 12 30 72-51-5
6 Philadelphia Fusion 18 12 30 71-62-1
7 Houston Outlaws 16 14 30 72-59-1
8 Los Angeles Gladiators 16 14 30 66-61-2
9 San Francisco Shock 12 18 30 54-68-3
10 Dallas Fuel 6 24 30 36-83-6
11 Florida Mayhem 6 24 30 35-86-4
12 Shanghai Dragons 0 30 30 17-105-1
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
fiery reef
Got my Shanghai jersey on for tonight! Lets dooo it!
silk linden
The new Dallas coach was just announced, but is it possible he has been with them for a while? They often don't announce signings right away
torpid charm
that's what I think
tight vault
so Shanghai is screwed
sullen berry
@silk linden Aero might not have had the same expediency of joining as KyKy did with joining Outlaws
there probably has been just enough time to get a plan together going in
but it's really down to fuel and how they maintain confidence after the first map
silk linden
No tracer main, new coach, changing meta, no idea what patch will be played until the last moment.
What could go wrong
sullen berry
just checking, stream starts in an hour?
silk linden
Ye
tight vault
Ye
sullen berry
Yeee 
tight vault
ye?
sullen berry
Ye! 
tight vault
jeff here
warped axle
Won't be home until 8:30
torpid charm
I have to work tomorrow till 10, I hope I won't be too busy to watch
sullen berry
@vital lintel Hello There 👋🏻 @tacit dune
tacit dune
goodbye
sullen berry
😦
torpid charm
I hope not
sullen berry
odds are still stacked against shanghai
that's not so say they aren't dropping without afight
depends if MG has improved his gaming specs
final river
I voted for a shanghai win today
sullen berry
this would be the third time I predit shanghai going to a game 5 for a serious win
brisk roost
Y'all ready for Shanghai's first W
sullen berry
the next time I predict again, it's always on philly choking
geguri intensifies
Ctrl + F this channel for meme geguri highlights
final river
if shanghai win chat will be filled with pogs for shanghai and feelsbad for fuel
sullen berry
KyKy should have been free agent and given shanghai the advantage they absolutely need to tip the game into their favor
limber pine
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brisk roost
HERE WE GO
balmy wolf
who's ready for shanghai's first win
stuck agate
HERE WE GO HERE WE GO HERE WE GO
brisk roost
WTF
forest wharf
"are you excited for brigette on stage?"
No, not at all tbh
vagrant niche
WTF
rustic perch
stuck agate
i kinda am
vagrant niche
Where is Phucket?
hidden osprey
this is so weird
hidden osprey
Puckett is ill apparently
stuck agate
puckets in italy
limber pine
malik on the desk feelsgoodman
quasi stump
stage 4 hypuuuuu
forest wharf
Nooooo
coarse willow
BRIGOOT
brisk roost
BAGUETTE
hidden osprey
I prefer baguette
sand geode
-88 
coarse willow
jekong
final river
This is Dragons best chance
coarse willow
0-40 xddd
stuck agate
GIVE ME DRAGON WIN OR GIVE ME DEATH
coarse willow
welp ur ded
vagrant niche
NO GO FUEL ALLA TIR MIIRRRRRRR
hidden osprey
Dragons first win today lets go
forest wharf
Inb4 shanghai goes 10-0
stuck agate
listen
limber pine
@stuck agate tell your teacher to put it on the projector
pallid cargo
Malik is doing great
forest wharf
Do it bish
coarse willow
bragoota
stuck agate
you mean budget?
hidden osprey
Brigitte is so cute though
coarse willow
you mean broken?
fluid dagger
BAGUETTA!
coarse willow
xd
rustic perch
zarya ❤
visual glen
inb4 buggy rein costs a team a game
hidden osprey
I hope it does
I really hope it does
maybe they'll actually fix the fucking hero then
fluid dagger
BOSTON PERFECT SEASON #2 LETS GO
final river
Brigitte = budget Bridget
rustic perch
1 monitor 
hidden osprey
Tiny screen D:
coarse willow
brigette -> braget -> broget -> brokett -> broken
stuck agate
i would bring two to my lecture but i have tiny arms
ill use discord through my phone
quasi stump
who else is hyped for geguri zarya 
rapid bobcat
56k people watching already
stuck agate
hype for shanghai first win
hidden osprey
yes pls
tacit tartan
I don't think Tracer is dead
rapid bobcat
malik on the desk thats a first
hidden osprey
ooo
stuck agate
man i wish there were captions :(
hidden osprey
;-;
stuck agate
this is pure
rustic perch
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE
quasi stump
gooooooooooose
coarse willow
stuck agate
duck duck
rapid bobcat
what are those shared rewards from cheers about?
coarse willow
yes
stuck agate
biggoose hair holds the LA glads secrets
hidden osprey
👽
coarse willow
theres a tiny man in there
rustic perch
STILL NO IDDQD 
coarse willow
giving the team orders
hidden osprey
sleepy is so smol
brisk roost
No Danteh = No Win
coarse willow
sleepy with the blanket so he can sleep
rustic perch
stuck agate
asdgfhkajsgdhf
stuck agate
sinatraa :')
rustic perch
coarse willow
im staying up all night and watching all the games
i gots a half day tomorrow
no sleep
hidden osprey
I'm not
stuck agate
lmao what time is it for you guys?
rustic perch
1am
hidden osprey
00:12
coarse willow
6 omegalul
brisk roost
It's 6:12 PM
rapid bobcat
stuck agate
its 11:12pm here
quasi stump
4pm
hidden osprey
here you go 📺
coarse willow
im on my shit setup so my screens are different sizes
rustic perch
i've got a 500$ zowie monitor, just saying that to make my e-penis slightly bigger
hidden osprey
screen4u
stuck agate
wh y woud you e ver need FOUR DISPLAYS
gritty yacht
All of my displays were bought at thrift stores.
stuck agate
that is gorgoues
manic junco
Nice!!!
hidden osprey
I'm just using a single 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor
sullen berry
can't even see a second screen of the cast, so meta
stuck agate
the colour scheme matches my outfit for today actually
coarse willow
ty 😊
gritty yacht
Not ghetto
worn falcon
So this patch is before Hanzo scattuh rework
rapid bobcat
@sullen berry it doesn't show the actual screen size tho
quasi stump
yes, still old hanzo
stuck agate
here we go here we go here we GO
limber pine
surefour on doomfist
hidden osprey
immediately throwing
limber pine
oh nvmd
stuck agate
budget is in play mhmm
tight vault
67k viewers 
stuck agate
omg super
gritty yacht
@stuck agate It's going to be a fiscal stage!
brisk roost
I'm glad Reinhardt gets more game time
stuck agate
a pubehair away from death
hidden osprey
viewers are always high at the start of a new stage
coarse willow
irrelevant teams omegalul
gritty yacht
@hidden osprey How did you know, man?
hidden osprey
Historically its been that way for the past 3 stages
coarse willow
high?
stuck agate
@gritty yacht yeeeeeee
brisk roost
@gritty yacht Just watch it on Twitch bruh
coarse willow
theres only 70k rn
brisk roost
You'll see the view count
tight vault
i mean i'm always high on the beginning of stages
rustic perch
yea 70k isnt a big number for owl
gritty yacht
Ditto
tight vault
did you know theres other websites TO VIEW THE OWL ON
stuck agate
OOF
coarse willow
its usually over 100k
hidden osprey
lmao
quasi stump
shock 
hidden osprey
this is just grav and grav fights
brisk roost
BRUH FISSURE IS MURDERING
rapid bobcat
I still don't know what that shared rewards cheer thing is I see in chat sometimes
coarse willow
seoul vs LAV will be poppin viewers
rapid bobcat
no
rapid bobcat
dragons vs fuel will be POPPIN VIEWERS
tight vault
earthshatter...6 secs later earthshatter
hidden osprey
Fissure is not a coward
gritty yacht
Yeah peak hours
balmy wolf
Twitch chat is basically just ResidentSleepers
rapid bobcat
75k right now
coarse willow
i predict 122k peak
quasi stump
super's shatters always get blocked lol
hidden osprey
inb4 they ban ResidentSleeper in chat
rapid bobcat
HE PRESSED Q
gritty yacht
HE PRESSED Q
stuck agate
glads is steamrolling oml
gritty yacht
HE DID IT
timber folio
So Muma said that without Hanzo in S4, dive will still be pretty strong. Obviously Hanzo is the cause of this almost mirror match Kappa
gritty yacht
HE HAD 100%
coarse willow
RALLY TO ME
dude thats gonna be in my nightmares
RALLY TO ME
STUNNED
STUNNED
STUNNED
stuck agate
alla tir mir kinda sounds like 'i love team mei'
coarse willow
xd
rapid bobcat
ALLA TILL MIG
gritty yacht
LA's like a rock station in 2000.
coarse willow
tf is alla tir mir
vagrant niche
ALLA TIG MIG
gritty yacht
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
vagrant fossil
oh lord the ResidentSleeper
stuck agate
OOF SPELIN
vagrant fossil
i take it ppl dont like this meta
rapid bobcat
ITS "ALLA TILL MIG"
balmy wolf
What's the point of using the grav if there's no ults for follow up damage?
stuck agate
I cant unhear I love Team Mei EVERYTIME budget uses rally
rapid bobcat
Look it up
hidden osprey
It seems like team fights are just dictated by whoever gets grav the earliest
lmao
rapid bobcat
do your research folks
median saddle
that's basically the current meta
balmy wolf
Like the only ones who can put in damage into the grav on multiple people are rein and brig
fluid dagger
this meta is so weird
coarse willow
tell me how you hear alla till mig
fiery reef
Havne';t started watching the game yet ... does it look like Brig is wrecking the Meta for OWL like we thought it might?
median saddle
now in the GM that's with hanzo ult
rapid bobcat
they have over 2 minutes left wtf
coarse willow
its clearly rally to me
fiery reef
Does this OWL patch have the brokzen hanzo too?
rapid bobcat
collin its the swedish line
hidden osprey
wtf was that Fissure
median saddle
nope
waxen rampart
no hanzo
balmy wolf
Does anyone know if Effect is playing today?
hidden osprey
no it doens't
torpid charm
watching this is so odd
waxen rampart
effect isn't coming back
hidden osprey
Effect isn't playing for stage 4
coarse willow
nope still has old hanzo
median saddle
Effect isn't laying
fiery reef
oh .. weird... good though. Hanzo would ruin this shit.
balmy wolf
Ez 4-0 Shanghai calling it
fluid dagger
triple support meta, 2 tank + widow.... wtf is happening
coarse willow
shanghai is going 0-40 if they lose to fuel tonight
stuck agate
cant wait for 6 support meta ngl
coarse willow
100%
timber folio
Having old hanzo really threw a wrench into 3 supp comps!
marsh pumice
how ya'll doin?
balmy wolf
Did Silkthread really try play Tracer?
waxen rampart
if they don't...
fiery reef
If Shanghai 4-0's. I will legit, go to bed like normal and wake up like normal. No joke. I'll film it to so you know I'm not lying.
stuck agate
i hope they do
vagrant fossil
no 150k memes?
tight vault
@stuck agate don't steal my joke
vagrant fossil
where am i
quasi stump
because the newest patch had a bug
stuck agate
asfhasjgfa what bug?
fiery reef
They've made mid season changes before ... I could see them doing it again. even though they say they aren't.
quasi stump
a bug related to pauses/disconnects
balmy wolf
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON
coarse willow
WTF
timber folio
In current meta where aiming isnt included Hanzo is a bug
hidden osprey
TTours
waxen rampart
POGGERS
rapid bobcat
https://ibb.co/iHW9Fd the fuck is this thing
vagrant niche
daaaam son
coarse willow
question mark architect?
stuck agate
THAT FINAL HOLD
rapid bobcat
ARCHITECT
waxen rampart
ARCHITECT
marsh pumice
Architect a new hanzo n baguette please
waxen rampart
holy shit architect
vagrant niche
that was some pine Flanking
hidden osprey
pretty awesome positioning
tight vault
84k viewers
sullen berry
great strats, to be honest
opaque cargo
brigitte, zen, zarya, rein, mercy, and one player who actually gets to make plays 👏
rapid bobcat
85K
hallow quest
competitive overwatch
rapid bobcat
can somebody answer my previous question
fast basin
Honestly, who will play Brigitte for the Fuel
stuck agate
i woudlnt think so? idk thatd be pretty tough to do against bridgette
sullen berry
harry
upper sapphire
looks like if you cheer 500 bits or more, random people get OWL points
hallow quest
mirror comps
grav vs grav fights
can't even get the fucking tokens because I was born in the wrong country
sullen berry
I got some yesterday during watchpoint live stream
rapid bobcat
@upper sapphire THANK YOU I WANTED TO KNOW THIS
sullen berry
check if you got anything with :owl
opaque cargo
shock going winston ???
timber folio
I got a " Nerf this " emote, now just need a Brigitte emote to go along with it
opaque cargo
I guess this is interesting just watching the teams flounder in confusion
upper sapphire
ana lets you bio nade into gravs. she's fairly protected in hanzo meta, but in widow meta it's risky. hard to get offensive nades through rein shield w/o dying
sullen berry
chances of you earning stuff is so low during broadcast, 36 out of 80k is really low vs 3,000
fiery reef
How is shock going to push with the comp they have? I've not seen the 3 supports meta in action yet ... but with only a widow really ... how do you do it?
Do they need an all in Grav combo to do it?
quasi stump
LUL GRAV
tight vault
shock throwing
sullen berry
widow is a bad pick for point A
sullen berry
doesn't mean you can't play well as a sniper counter
opaque cargo
shock getting dunked on
fiery reef
@tight vault what makes this different than any other games theyve played
quasi stump
we full dive again now boys
opaque cargo
they should have stuck to brigitte comp or completely switched up
tight vault
@fiery reef tru
opaque cargo
you can't half-ass brigball
fiery reef
I mean .. shocks not horrible .. but its still the shock.
sullen berry
wait until saturday before calling it return of the dive actually
fiery reef
I know it probably won't happen .. but I'd laugh if the brig meta never takes off on this current patch ..
vagrant niche
REKT
fiery reef
or at least doesn't dominate the way people swore up and down it would
median saddle
Void will be playing next week
stuck agate
oof
median saddle
that's when he's getting his worker card
opaque cargo
Brig is fundamentally a short range hero she's dogshit against a god-tier Widow
tight vault
LA, Gladiators are best team in Stage 4 now
rustic perch
are they still trying to "figure out" the meta? because i saw insanely many different comps in this match
timber folio
Yeah if you play vs a low tier team like shock or fuel maybe you dont need to run 3 support. We need to perhaps wait for next match, or next day
plain sand
Does anyone else like this meta more than all the other stages
sullen berry
but now they really have a go at winning with brigitte
fiery reef
Thats how I've always felt @opaque cargo ... Like .. she can't use her broken stun if she can't get close enough in the first place..
plain sand
Like there's quite a variety of metas
vagrant niche
not because i want dive
plain sand
*comps
vagrant niche
:kappa:
fiery reef
I'm not saying she won't have an impact though and on some maps she will be very strong.
upper sapphire
is an ideal meta A > B > C > A or A = B = C ?
waxen rampart
what
plain sand
A = B = C
balmy wolf
is kings row in the rotation this stage?
brisk roost
I'm liking this meta now
waxen rampart
i think so
tight vault
yef
stuck agate
horizon lunar colony ooof
brisk roost
Tired of the fricking dive meta yo
opaque cargo
IMO if they nerf shield bash (CC nerf - cooldown stays at 5s) and buff whip shot so it deals more damage with range that would make brigitte way more workable in these brawl situations and simultaneously less cheesy
balmy wolf
@vagrant niche there's always 2 maps they rotate between each stage
sullen berry
we still have all access pass huh
fiery reef
I dont think there is a "full" meta. Its more ... Key set members. Like 2-5 set members, with a varying filler set
opaque cargo
whip shot is far and away the most exciting part of brigitte and buffing it would make her a lot better in mid-range
plain sand
So what's your guy's predictions for SHD vs. DAL today
stuck agate
SHD wins
waxen rampart
3-2 SHD
stuck agate
like i am PRAYING for them to win
balmy wolf
geguri zarya gonna carry
vagrant niche
ALLA TILL MIG
sullen berry
now now
opaque cargo
SHD has Geguri, the rest of the team would have to throw hard to fail
sullen berry
zarya isn't meta-ready for either of these teams
fiery reef
SHD, I think will get there first win. Partly because .. its like statistically in their favor at this point..
sullen berry
too busy with keeping dive alive
plain sand
Effect was hardcarry
north tendon
geguri on zarya hype
stuck agate
omg yes frogchamp incoming
sullen berry
@north tendon 🙏🏻 1-30
opaque cargo
If SHD run brigball competently, they're going to dominate - brigball at high ranks is all about cohesion and the zarya's skill
north tendon
YEAH
fiery reef
If you take the worst professional team in any sports league and put them against every other team .. they are likely to win eventually even if only by chance.
sullen berry
triple tank brig-ball
sullen berry
let the dragons incinerate fuel
fiery reef
so ... twitch chat as always?
sullen berry
plat chat as usual
fiery reef
Like, since the day twitch was founded, twitch chat has been stupid.
heady idol
the worst part is like, they won't admit they are circlejerking
"IT'S SO BAD"
Dude you've watched literally 20 seconds of it
heady idol
at elast admit you're circlejerking
sullen berry
and far more engaging
north tendon
its so bad but they are there circlejerking
fiery reef
I don't look at the chat ever .. if Im on twitch .. which is rare .. I either use the streamers discord, or disable the chat entirely.
sullen berry
all mainstream media outlets are saying about twitch is accept the spam and participate in it
north tendon
it was pretty bearable last stage
fiery reef
and for overwatch I just watch it on their website ... whichj has no chat
sullen berry
which is uh
north tendon
maybe it will change in a few days