also yeah
#esports-discussion
royal acorn
fresh turret
I think if we weere to rank all the Mercys in the league I'd say:
Zebbosai
Kellex
Harryhook
Biggoose
Altering/Fiveking
Moth
Boink
NUS
Closer
Bani
Custa
Gambler
Neptuno
Ark
And that should be like all Mercy's who played in stage 3
I'm excluding stuff like Kariv/Unkoe Mercy for Lucio on certain maps
Mercy main btw
I'm reformed now though
red wyvern
be OWL
Be actually "Koreans playing/representing other cities around the US"
slim summit
be the kind of person who watches esports
teams with 6 koreans are phony and can't represent their city
teams with white people are all-american
even when none of them are american and none of them are from the city
onyx shore
man,i can't imagine if london spitfire is all british players only,you will got stylosa on coach duty + their owwc squads,probably can't even beat dallas fuel on stage match
red wyvern
what even is a city? Those things are international, no one there needs to be native of said city!
right?
Idk anymore
It just seems off to have City teams, with no one from said city.
Oh well
At least its still fun to watch the games
fresh turret
What would the teams be then?
Overwatch is about bringing people together, and having the teams be based in major cities of the world feels like a good move to internationalize the league
desert sierra
I believe that owl should have a bunch of YouTube stars play during off days it would draw a bunch of peoples attention
It would draw attention to the league and get more viewers
onyx shore
@red wyvern you do realized that real sports are also like that,right?
red wyvern
(No, i dont watch sports)
Thanks for the insight
It just feels wierd all in all, but its just me being me
onyx shore
well,probably what makes it weird is that the team doesnt actually lives in the said city
the plan for season 2 is to expand and have home-away travelling games
but i doubt it would happen
red wyvern
Well i understand that they have to live in distance close to the arena
Team house and stuff
onyx shore
it is possbile,but a big waste of money and inefficient
imo,the break between stage should be a bit longer so the teams can actually tour their "home" city
red wyvern
Y e s
torpid charm
Fusion is visiting Philly during break
I really wanna see them but I might not be able to sadly
red wyvern
Also, can i ask,
onyx shore
dallas too
red wyvern
What is the drug like addiction to Koreans?
red wyvern
How come? Nominally, countries with high population have high likely hood to house the best of the best, just from chance
onyx shore
esport is a serious business there
torpid charm
^
red wyvern
Oh ok
onyx shore
the gov actually supported those people
red wyvern
THAT makes more sense.
onyx shore
but it's still interesting that koreans are mostly good at blizzard's games
other esport? not so much
onyx shore
but if you really look at OWL's history
the only time there was a korea vs korea final is at stage 1
red wyvern
Hmm
onyx shore
stage 2 was korea vs western (only carpe is korean)
stage 3 was korea vs half korean team
and in general
most western teams already catch up to the koreans
if you see how london & seoul performs this stage,you can see the progress
red wyvern
Is there a secret to sucess?
onyx shore
well,afaik,korean teams are practicing and scrimming harder than the other
it even causes some friction when a korean player was brought to a western team (e.g : rascal)
red wyvern
Wow, Rascal must sure be a Rascal!
Are we gonna get any other city teams soon?
Rn its just Pacific Ocean Countries and a bit of Europe/Atlantic
onyx shore
their plan is to expand owl
but the buy-ins are getting ridiculous
iirc,the buy-ins for s2 is 60m
torpid charm
that's a lot of shmoney
onyx shore
well,you could say their greediness could hamper owl's growth
torpid charm
makes sense, yeah
onyx shore
nah,if you want your team to be in owl,you have to pay blizzard 60m usd
red wyvern
Fucking christ
Yeah many nations and people wont bother
Even Russia and srudd
*stuff
pearl stratus
Estimations for Season 2 were 35M, not 60.
60 is the estimation for Season 3 if growth continues in terms of sponsors.
Which is fine, people who are pussies and join late always get fucked by this stuff because you're joining in a point of declined risk.
pearl stratus
It's also correct.
It's how all investments work.
Ground floor investments are always the lowest because you're entering into a period of high risk.
As risk declines and profit margins are more gauranteed the buy in increases
deft valley
"people who don't invest in every risky endeavour are pussies" is how investments work?
I'm aware of the way risk/reward work lmao
Some people can afford to spend more on a sure thing
They're not "getting fucked" by anything
pearl stratus
Yeah, but the argument was made that its a point of greed to hamper growth.
And its not, its a standard economic risk reward model for franchising.
red wyvern
Papa Jeff #1 entreprenuer
balmy wolf
old news
tawny sigil
Dude what's wrong with Uber... why does he make those weird faces like porn star do to the camera constantly while X is talking
not even gonna bother reading that copy pasta
restive spear
pls it's fresh pasta I just downloaded it off limewire only 2 shares
tawny sigil
reading is hard i can't do it for that long
restive spear
not to mention it's all TRUTH if you just research the facts, they cant cover this up forever
copper solstice
From not watching that video but is the reason why is he depressed? @Tenkei#3140
With mendo
pearl stratus
Yeah, he's suffering from massive depression again. It's historically a routine issue with him, but this time he's stuck in a completely different place (US) and he also -can't- go home because his visa would expire, and he'd have to do an entire new process for re-entry.
My guess is he'll be released, but Optic Gaming might hire him on as a streamer presence similar to Kabaji for Philly.
copper solstice
Ooohhh,
Well I think being away from your home country for long will put you depressed
Not being able to see your mother or anything
Same goes with effect for example. I think he went home because he was depressed
pearl stratus
Yeah, Mendo has had a history of this from his previous teams though. I don't expect him to survive in the OWL because if they start travelling he'll relapse. He's just not mentally prepared/strong enough for the commitment it takes.
Which isn't a bad thing, its just his thing.
copper solstice
I think he can do it, but it’s just going to take some time
Even though he has been there for however long
pearl stratus
He's never done it. He's flaked on every team he's been on.
copper solstice
Flaked?
pearl stratus
He's a streamer, not a pro. Nothing wrong with that.
Had excuses not to play/commit.
copper solstice
Ooohh
Plus doesn’t outlaws have pretty much three main dps players
Not including mendo
pearl stratus
Four now, but yes.
Also - Crusty left Boston and is going to the Shock.
Interesting.
copper solstice
If you include mendo then there is five
I’m not counting arhan
Like five as in arhan and mendo
jagged crater
mendo played one preseason game and he did very bad in it
wasnt prepped or anything , im sure he could do better if he was more involved and had the mentality for it
vagrant niche
wait
what is this news
the boston coach left to shock?
holy crap, the SHILLING
strong parrotBOT
Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 3
pearl stratus
@vagrant niche Yup. No idea if its from the other issues that were rumored way earlier or not. Or if Shock just offered him a big pay check.
still stump
Now we just wait for Stage 4...
indigo barn
Oh man stage finals are so exciting no one has any idea who’s gonna win it’s so tense I’m on the edge of my seat rn oh my
cerulean plume
🤔
pearl stratus
NYXL busting out some coaching this time, and playing some strats no ones seen from them before.
Hard to beat a strat you have literally 0 prep for.
That Orissa defense though.
balmy wolf
Do you reckon triple support could be played in stage 4?
tight vault
why not 6 support
stone creek
that SBB play on volskaya was nutty
just walks in and kills 5 off camera
typical boston sports though, undefeated until it mattered 
tight vault
oof
supple prism
They were all very very close games though
balmy wolf
3-0verwatch 
pallid cargo
Y'know
it's not just that NYXL is far and away the best team in the league
They're all also so damn lovable.
They're all super likable, personable players.
supple prism
The other teams are closing the gap though
pallid cargo
Yeah
I'm just saying, man, what a team to have representing new york. They're all so cool
pallid cargo
Imagine being Custa
your team wants to trade you and you take them up on it and land on a team that makes it to stage playoffs
torpid charm
I wish I could be happy like Custa
pearl stratus
His "oof" is priceless.
pallid cargo
meanwhile your old team burns like a bright blue dumpster fire
torpid charm
Dallas Dumpster Fire
pearl stratus
"I got to Dallas and we started playing and I was like "Ooof. This wasn't how it was supposed to go.""
torpid charm
woooooow
severe dune
sucks to be unkoe though
torpid charm
Unkoe looks sad af whenever they show his face on camera
pallid cargo
super sucks to be unkoe
torpid charm
hopefully the break treats him well though, since stage 3 finished he's been hanging with the Rogue boys
pearl stratus
Eh, don't be a salty baguette and your team won't want to trade you.
Is the lesson.
slim summit
Nobody has had a better trade than Fissure
went from the bench to the best tank in the league
dished out fistfulls of comeuppance
pearl stratus
That trade, still in my opinion, was only that good because of Bischu.
If Bischu wasn't there, that would have played out really differently.
thorn holly
indigo barn
Yeah roshan from shanghai dragons is the best tank in the league
verbal roost
Interesting
polar pier
I want Shanghai to get a win so bad now.
But at the same time I don't want a team to be saddled with the title "lost to Shanghai Dragons."
... Unless it's Fuel.
tight vault
Fuel or Mayhem can lose
lethal plank
As a fuel fan, I don't want them to lose but I want Shanghai to start winning so let them beat the other teams. Especially Seoul. I hate Seoul with a passion
tight vault
people like fuel....
tight vault
i'm not gay but he is adorable 
lethal plank
I feel bad for Unkoe tho. He got traded into a shit team. Custa got the better deal
I think stage 4 will be better if effect is back to normal
vivid mesa
verbal roost
Fourth stage’s the charm?
lethal plank
Depends if effect is back or not
If effect is still triggered and solo tracer then Shanghai first win
wary iris
The Mayhem cannot lose to Shanghai
Fuel sure or a Korean team
If a Korean teams loses to Shanghai I will want to buy all their shirts but probably won't
lethal plank
Sayaplayer has been looking good lately
So Florida is getting better too. So is Shanghai
Yet the top teams like London have been getting worse
NY has been the same but that's cuz they're always strong
And they got no good competition
pearl stratus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_uHNa_txPw "Whats your prediction?" "We don't have Flame we're automatically going to win."
I love how Houston all just shits on Flame, in good humor.
supple prism
wish there was less beeping
paper crag
i feel like mayhem is fuel gone in the right direction
sullen vortex
!tracer
somber yewBOT
@sullen vortex, I've sent you a DM with all my commands!
sullen vortex
!news
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Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
balmy wolf
!tracer
somber yewBOT
@balmy wolf, I've sent you a DM with all my commands!
balmy wolf
!tracer live
somber yewBOT
@balmy wolf, I've sent you a DM with all my commands!
balmy wolf
!players
somber yewBOT
Usage: !players [team] - Get the players of a specific team
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rapid bobcat
wise ore
verbal roost
Are owl teams allowed to change their logos?
pearl stratus
Personal stress and wanting a change to see if it worked better for him.
Looks like its a long time coming but he didn't want to tell his players mid-stage, which is respectable imo. Didn't want to throw them off their game with the news.
balmy wolf
does anyone know what seagull said about hanzo in stage 4?
I asked sideshow in stream and he said his leak was right
sullen berry
scenic elm
!players london
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sullen berry
!players outlaws
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fresh turret
I assume that it'll be in esports-announcements when the patch for stage 4 is announced?
fresh turret
MVP Kellex omegalul
I guess it's just easier to get mvp status on Mercy(?)
WAIT A SECOND
Did ArK really have only 3 deaths in that entire match?
stuck agate
holy is that even possible
deft valley
Mercy as MVP isn't that common, kellex is a bit weird
Ark only having 3 deaths would certainly explain it though lmao
tight vault
!players Dragons
somber yewBOT
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red anvil
!players Dynasty
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
red anvil
ryujehong
support
brisk yarrow
red wyvern
stoic anchor
tight vault
I've lost more matches in a row than Shanghai 
warped axle
rustic forum
!players Dallas
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
tight vault
SEAGULL
torpid charm
Dallas
warped axle
Dallas
abstract anvil
Hiii
tacit tartan
Dallas Fuel vs Shanghai Dragons is going to be good
idle smelt
??
tight vault
>
sage shard
LondonSpitfire!
torpid charm
warped axle
nova pelican
steep dragon
Can a team be drop from the league ?
limber pine
no
There is no relegation or anything similar
teams would have to voluntarily leave
limber pine
Why is there no relegation?
because the orgs have purchased their spots in the league
tight vault
Shanghai
vestal berry
When is Dallas v shanghai?
twin dragon
16th, game 3 i believe
stuck agate
I'm so pumped, I hope Shanghai wins
indigo barn
Inb4 dallas gets 4-0 sweep
rare sonnet
teams cannot leave
an external investor has purchased a league spot creating a franchise. they have to prove financial security to buy in so the franchise is funded fully, the only way out of that would be to bankrupt yourself...
and you can sell the franchises too i think
like EnVyUs could sell 'Dallas Fuel' to Elon Musk or something
but the franchises are permanent
deft valley
Technically speaking you can disband/contract a franchise
but it has to be a mutual agreement between the league and owner
limber pine
correct
which was my point
there's no forced relegation or removal
barring something extreme
contract-breaking
supple prism
!players NYXL
somber yewBOT
No such team 'NYXL', for full teams list please type !teams
limpid estuary
!teams
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
limpid estuary
!players NYE
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
bitter phoenix
What's the max roster size
supple prism
12
sullen berry
if they want to release players
they can drop them from the team or choose to sell/trade them for another player
so far spitfire and fuel are teams with the most releases
mayhem and dragons with the most pickups from teams outside the OW League
!players mayhem
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
fresh turret
Do people not know the rosters of the teams?
I suppose the bot is p good for that
Is there any place to check OWL average stats and stuff?
slim summit
Winston's Lab, maybe? not sure what you mean
fresh turret
as in
"tracer average eliminations per 10 minutes in the OWL"
things like that
instead of player specific stats or smth
stuck agate
Check out Winston's lab if you haven't already, you might find something there, not entirely sure tho
fresh turret
I'll check it out
jagged crater
really funky of blizz not to do new hanzo patch in stage 4
red anvil
it's not good no, he's meta defining af. atm
fresh turret
is there any official statements on the patch for stage 4
?
I haven't seen anything
red anvil
seagull and sideshow have confirmed it
sullen berry
Also very important to know that Shanghai aren't completely out of the league
They can definitely hold off on junker town, and the negative map wins shows they aren't at a complete loss
Only out for the first season
fresh turret
Seagull and Sideshow=/=official
But I assume it'll be in #esports-news when it's officially stated
red anvil
sideshow is a desk person and representative of the OWL
that is as official as you will get it
fresh turret
as official as I will get it is on watchpoint or from an official tweet
sullen berry
I'd trust whatever announcement comes just before Watchpoint Preview arrives for stage 4
sources can come closer, but I'd be skeptical because I don't care know who is responsible for spouting speculation
fresh turret
yes
exactly
that's what I like doing with this stuff
It's why I HATE Unit lost and channels like that because they talk about blizzforum posts and don't link their sources anywhere
It's why I don't give them my views
I don't care how good/bad one considers their actual content, "news channels" should link their sources
sullen berry
you kinda choose when to receive their videos in your YT feed
the obvious answer is not to follow it in the first place
fresh turret
that's what I do yeah
sullen berry
because they do have "valid" sources
sullen berry
but that content overwhelms the generally un-fun and interesting videos they do put out
idk, whenever they don't I'm already trying to ignore anything without proper supporting info
even geguri joining owl was nonsense
fresh turret
If they were just clickbaiting with no sources or evidence I'd just ignore it, but people are watching these videos and not seing the actual posts and the entirety of the situations. It makes people accept something that shouldn't be accepted
sullen berry
giving it enough time would validate that when she can actually confirm it herself
her twitch streams didn't need to be bloated with questions like those at the time but what can you do
fresh turret
yea
Every Unit lost video I somehow find myself watching, I leave a comment about linking the sources
But it won't do anything because Stylosa's 12-yo army is too stronk and can't click those links and they don't need to link
Okay now I'm just getting worked up
apologies
sullen berry
some raw thoughts, if you've never heard of him
tl;dw
decent content creators around OW League
or just quality esports commentary or pro analysis
do not get enough credit, so supporting independent creators in this area is lacking
so the end result is a lot of the creators you mentioned being very hesitant to look under the microscope and be sensational with their coverage
what OW League really needs is transparency in the media about itself
how they cover and what impact Blizzard should have in how they advertise themselves as an esport
fresh turret
hmm
But my gripes with Unit Lost and the like wasn't about OWL coverage in specific
I had more of an issue with patch stuff
although this is quite a good video about the subject
And I enjoy Thorin's podcasts and stuff
sullen berry
I'm late to it, since I've heard he was decent in covering CS-GO and League of Legends
plus Oversight is the only known podcast that focuses in-depth with really honest coverage by the players and coaches themselves
fresh turret
yep
that's most of what I've watched from him
I don't care all that much about LoL or CS stuff
sullen berry
near the end he's fuming to the point where supheroes are involved with his argument
and it's pretty fair, there is a place to counterpoint if you were blizzard PR who think this video should affect them
fresh turret
I just love OverSight for the decision to have Monte as the permanent expert
co-host
sullen berry
23 minutes in, where he briefly covers about monte on oversight
they make such a good duo
the last time I listened to a podcast duo where their exchange is so clear and articulate
was a tech podcast that only dissolved because of terrible mass community intervention
I'm glad this is their own thing
fresh turret
Yep
And they're super honest there
it's very cool to see especially the casters in their non-persona form
and analysts and stuff
Like for example the one with Hexagrams taught me that he's actually quite assertive with how he states things and opinions, whereas I would have thought he'd be timid
one example of that
And I just like podcasts in general since well
Days where I don't feel well I tend to just lie down doing nothing so it's nice to listen to something
and it really is some good stuff
weak coral
limber pine
fair fulcrum
Nice
torpid charm
I have to go, that's close to me
limber pine
looks like I'm bunking with @torpid charm
torpid charm
lol, not that close. I'll probably just take a day trip since I live in NJ and it's not too far out of my way
vestal mortar
Ahh I could get return flights for less than €500!!!
torpid charm
I gotta plan my trip now
sullen berry
NY even further than LA
If I ever had the whim to watch live this season, It'd be during the cheaper stage 4 lower-tier matchups
not sure how many tickets would be sold on spitfire vs dragons
torpid charm
I really wanna see Fusion play live but ion got Burbank or Blizzard Arena shmoney
torpid charm
yeah I know, I have faith in them to be in playoffs no doubt but not grand finals which I'm fine with
limber pine
Fusion being chased by an improving LAG team
and who knows what Houston will do this meta
and SFS, but 6 games is too far back to catch them
pearl stratus
It's this weird dilemma. If Crusty can get Shock to go 10-0 then they could make it provided LAV/Philly somehow win less than 4 games. Which I doubt will happen.
river raft
river birch
Can anyone tell me whats it like to go to one of these games live?
How expensive is it
pearl stratus
The tickets themselves are relatively cheap, food is inflated a bit because its LA, merch is reasonable/slightly high.
If you're not from the area thats the major expense.
California is just flat out expensive.
limber pine
yup
pearl stratus
Tickets are what.. $30 still?
Which is really reasonable.
Nope, $20.
cheaper than I thought.
torpid charm
pretty good price tbh
lilac atlas
But they rely on probably making profit all of the sponsors and merch
fresh turret
I super duper hope them Houston Outlaws can start fighting again
indigo barn
Idk man I kinda feel like stage 1 was their time to shine
Time to join dallas in the dump
digital coral
see the ticket isnt their major profit.
thats their consistent profit.
i can assume a good majority of their income will likely come from all the merch fans will purchase
pearl stratus
In case you haven't seen Fissure using Earthshatter, getting Earth Shatter in 6 seconds, and using another one here:
IT's better from Reinforce's side though:
balmy wolf
holy SHIT THIS MAKES ME HARD
tacit tartan
I wanna go too
fresh turret
inb4 NYXL just sweep through their opponents so hard that only 1 match will be played
tacit tartan
Here's more info on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVsgK6BZp4s
vagrant niche
wait, they are going to use the patch with scatter?
wtf? who the hell wants to see scatter for 5 more weeks?
warped axle
Apparently they are
visual glen
warped axle
But it seems like a lot of people have problems with it
Nothing will probably change but we'll see
tight vault
oston chokes
tight vault
i already forgot scatter was a ting
slim summit
I'm pretty buttmad about this patch news
to be honest I would be willing to accept an op Hanzo
since he's not terribly un-fun to watch
limpid estuary
Its pretty silly that the meta we are going to be seein
Is a meta that existed on live comp for a grand total of 2 days
Its not just Hanzo
But also different hitboxes on Genji/Brig
Lucio's soundwave costs ammo (minor)
And Tracer's pulse bomb does 400
warped axle
And OP Brigitte
torpid charm
wow I get to meet the Fusion boys on Saturday, I'm so excited
slim summit
Oh, shot, I didn't know the Tracer 400 dmg pulse was still in!
That means the Grav + Pulse will be in effect
despite the likely triple tank comps
.s/shot/shoot
torpid charm
time for more Zarya
paper crag
so what exactly is the reasoning behind the 5/1 patch being the patch for stage 4?
and not the more recent patch that was already in effect during stage 3
slim summit
implying there is reasoning
paper crag
like, i'd at least have a sliver of understanding if that was the patch at the end of the stage
but it's not, is it?
is blizz just trying to separate the wheat from the chaff lol
"if you can't handle us at our worst, you don't deserve us at our best lul"
blizz trying to pull a DF and see how many fans they can shake off
sullen berry
This is the patch that was live during season 9, main reasons I suspect relate to overall stability and data gathered for that patch they want the league to play on
I don't think they want to make it characteristic where the grand finals is without a tracer and brigitte is nerfed down to 100 over armor healing
torpid charm
Shanghai's head coach stepped down whaaaaat
onyx shore
seriously,so the game owl play and regular people play will be different again
sigh...
hardy dune
fresh turret
Okay so
The patches before this stage have been understandable since y'know they were actual patches that we commoners had
But this is just stupid
IF it happens
Still not buying it
But in theory
They have a completely separate patch that hasn't released anywhere
And won't be released
If this was a patch at some point I'd be fine with it but making up a new one would be dumb
scarlet spear
wat
inner solstice
@sullen berry. ...
sullen berry
@fresh turret now my season ix patch prediction is going out the window as more "Information" surfaces and some hype around a petition to include the current patch exists
Im still waiting for confirmation next Wednesday when it has more weight
limber pine
Blizz needs to adjust their patch schedule more
So things like this doesn’t happen
I also suspect the pros were talking to Blizz before this petition existed
limber pine
b/c signing a petition is easy
warped axle
Overwatch League is popular
ruby pendant
Not sure if they will make Overwatch League players play with the same updates as regular players. Think Blizzard would rather test how these patches perform on regular players before putting them in their competitive league.
fresh turret
yeah sure but
They shouldn't be putting Brigitte in if they aren't putting the Hanzo changes in
it's still in the air though so no reason to lose your mind over it
limber pine
It's not making sure they play on the same patch as regular players. It's making sure they have to time to prepare for the next stage.
opaque cargo
The patch was live for all of two days, I believe, which uh
forest crown
they'd probably have to run a couple of friendly matches with the changes and then decide whether to install the changes
opaque cargo
Yeah
forest crown
yeet
opaque cargo
The patch it is probably going to be using has been live
hidden vault
which patch is it gonna be?
but it is not gonna be the newest patch that we have right?
opaque cargo
nope
it's a patch that was live for all of two days, or so I have heard
if I recall correctly it's post shield bash cone reduction but pre new Hanzo?
opaque cargo
I concur
he's the one thing I was looking forward to in the new OWL set
because of how well his new E ability scales with skill
a meta of attrition is not particularly exciting to me
fresh turret
esp. with king's row in the map pool
paper crag
i feel like blizz can definitely schedule their patches so that they'd coincide well with OWL
like release a new patch on PTR 2 weeks before the end of a stage
release it on live 1 week before
or PTR 1 week before end of stage, live on the week of finals
not necessarily this specific timeframe, but i'm sure they're able to come up with something that works
i still don't understand the reasoning behind going with that short-lived patch
hallow cipher
Overwatch League finals in New York City, my hometown, on July 28th and July 29th
gonna be visiting Baltimore that entire weekend
fml
tight vault
guess we gotta cancel the fucking earth then
tight vault
rip
hallow cipher
oh well, can't cancel the convention badge and hotel tickets now
tight vault
you can freeze time doe
tacit tartan
Fuck that event OWL is more important
dusty surge
High damage, high-speed arrow spam in the hands of players that can leverage the raw damage potential? Yikes.
Hanzo will be seeing nerfs before it hits OWL.
vestal berry
did shanghai win anything yet?
polar pasture
negative
bright stirrup
Who’s “faker” in OW esports?
median saddle
sullen berry
He's reputably the most highest paid player in esports, a star DPS for SK Telecom T1
Nothing to do with OWL, he's the threshold for how valuable a contact can be in the industry
versed sinew
nobody imo is close to being able to be called the faker of ow
sullen berry
Too early to call
sullen berry
Some might be leaning towards folks like libero or saybyeolbe but it depends on how long they stick around for the scene
versed sinew
took 4-5 years before faker really showed up on the scene
sullen berry
Remember that mid last year
Journalists reporting that ow was getting stale according to pro players
Before the League had even begun several publications were (but a lot less now) jaded about the game
Being nothing more than a selection of seasonal events
with derivative hero mechanics
released each quarter
wrapped into an annual cycle
onyx shore
what's new from KR scene?
onyx shore
that's ridiculous
houston's performance has been declining since stage 1
because they can't abuse junkrat and mercy anymore like they did on stage 1
broken fog
I think KR fan know what he did as Fuel coach
broken fog
Kyky was head coach of dallas right?
balmy wolf
houston need a new dps and new flex support
rawkus is no OWL level
neither are jake and clockwork
onyx shore
they already got airhan
broken fog
Arhan
onyx shore
they still got mendo
balmy wolf
mendo actually playing 
onyx shore
their dps : linkzr,jake,arhan,mendo
balmy wolf
clockwork
broken fog
when was gambler debut match as member of dynasty?
onyx shore
bani is the weakest link on outlaws tho
balmy wolf
not really
onyx shore
@broken fog can't remember
balmy wolf
you're saying bani is worse than rawkus, clockwork, jake and mendo?
broken fog
what ever
when they lost by 0:4
all of seoul fan was really pissed off
well that deserve.
and I think bunny? I guess bunny
onyx shore
bani and rawkus did perform worse in this stage
seoul at least managed to 4-0 outlaws
with ryujehong on tank
balmy wolf
kinda hard to stay alive as mercy when your tracer player is too shit to duel the enemy tracer
onyx shore
broken fog
he tweeted "That was terible match I apologize about this"
and fan say "It is OK We are OK"
What the Fuck man.
I want to say
KR Fan is too stricted
and ridiculs
onyx shore
that's KR fan in a nutshell tbh
supple prism
what exactly is the patch on stage 4?
onyx shore
they are like that,esport or kpop
broken fog
Even I am Korean.
onyx shore
we dont know
onyx shore
probably the briggite patch but without hanzo rework
broken fog
I think that is
Geez.
actually booster doesn't accpet in e-sports
they really pissed off about this
sado,oge,shu(not comfirmed),axxiom
does blizard NA has a punishment for boost other account?
onyx shore
account sharing is against terms of service
but unless you can prove it,i dont think your report will matter
broken fog
in KR Boost is not allowd
onyx shore
we already got the example
broken fog
that is against terms of service (ONLY IN KOREA)
onyx shore
blizzard probably will punish them,but not ban them completely
onyx shore
if sado can play in OWL even if he has a boosting company
then small-timer boosters will usually get accepted into OWL
broken fog
Even I got boosted
onyx shore
it already sets a precedent
broken fog
I can became OWL player
KR fan must know KR e-sports problem is not Global e-sports problem
And they will not listen
KR fan in nutshell
rancid crest
Stage 4 of overwatch league will have brigitte and reworked hanzo ?
onyx shore
probably not
limber pine
There's no confirmation either way
at least directly from blizzard
I think Sideshow and some of the desk said reworked hanzo won't be in
rancid crest
Brigitte however ?
Since its been a month for her and not too many days for hanzo so I'd get why no hanzo in stage 4
rancid crest
Oh
Well as long as she sees some play
Only symmetra wasn't played
Every other character was played at some point in owl
Brigitte definitely would if Kings Row like maps come into play
pearl stratus
If the leaked map list is correct we should see a good chunk of Brig.
limber pine
not leaked, it's on the schedule
pearl stratus
Ah, it was leaked way back when too. But if it stayed the same then yeah, she's solid on most of the maps
rancid crest
Depends if they still play dive
limber pine
I think pros will still play dive with Brigitte mixed
like Moira
at least for the first part of the stage
pearl stratus
I could see a few teams attempting right off the bat to do a Rein+Zarya though.
Seoul, Shanghai, maybe Philly though they'll have BoostDO by then.
Houston could make the attempt too. Basically the three teams that have 'Zarya' specialists.
fresh turret
Philly will either play Sado or they'll play Rein
rancid crest
Dallas goes full cowboy and we might see strange brigitte comps
balmy wolf
Dive is still 100% viable but from now on Brig will always be first to dive
You would also run a Junkrat or Pharah instead of Genji
Tracer's pulse still has the 300 burst damage
But the 2 defensive ults you see in meta completely nullify dragonbalde
spring lintel
Some maps you have to play dive
But even playing dive you might play brig
Instead of second dps
rancid crest
So more junkrat
pearl stratus
NYXL is hiring a house coach, aka team mom/dad, and the responsibilities are crazy long.
But what an insane networking job
torpid charm
Fusion is having so much fun in Philly, I'm too excited to meet them tomorrow
spring lintel
Korean contenders finals tonight on brig’s patch
pearl stratus
Bring Fragi a viking axe and shield and tell him to rape the fields and pillage the women.
I mean its in Philly, so theres no fields. But oh well.
tight vault
pearl stratus
I just realized Sado is eligible to play, and may not even play that much.
Also Shanghai lost Coach Rui 😦
tight vault
health issues
pearl stratus
Yeah, spondylosis.
Degenerative disorder for the spine.
Shits painful af.
I don't blame him.
tight vault
he tried carrying the team
torpid charm
I might give Sado or Snillo a stuffed animal
tight vault
o
torpid charm
LMAOOOO
balmy wolf
scarlet spear
its a bench
heady idol
Effect's newest tweet translated: "I really think my life has failed, I've done all the bragging but accomplished nothing, I should really just die"
holy shit
pearl stratus
Yeah its a bench which, depending on meta, will carry onto Stage 4.
Because Fragi's Rein is way better than Sado.
ruby pendant
@pearl stratus That's a shame, didn't know that the coach had health issues.
brisk roost
Poor Effect :/
I thought him going back to Korea would put him back to 100% but I guess not
warped axle
Effect
stuck agate
oh effect D:
tight vault
D:
vagrant niche
effect went full emo
torpid charm
#SaveEffect
fiery reef
I saw that they announced the Overwatch finals would be in NY. Did they say when tickets for that would go on sale?
nvm I found it. May 18th
ruby pendant
@fiery reef You're gonna go to watch the Dragon's win the season?!
fiery reef
if only it was even remotely possible lol. But ill definitely be sporting the jersey if I go
ruby pendant
Thinking of going too, would like to personally experience these matches.
fiery reef
yeah, im in NYC so its not a long trip for me at all to make
indigo field
Did anyone see the post on twitter from effect???
sullen berry
Scroll up, it's already mentioned here
Locking Twitter and disconnecting has worked in the past for musicians and various celebrities
So I think he would be looking to stay away from the negativity for a while to get himself back into the thick of things
fresh turret
Is Fragi considered like the best western Reinhardt?
balmy wolf
Xqc is better than him
fresh turret
you sure?
idk I just find myself adoring Fragi's Rein
part of that is my Finland bias
sullen berry
Fragi plays aren't nearly convincing enough as THE best Western. Though in all honesty xQc is an outlier so it defaults to defensive tanks like Muma or Poko
fresh turret
idk
Fragi seems like a 100 or 0 case
"I'll charge and we'll either win or we'll lose really badly"
I have a Rein-main friend who does the exact same
he idolizes Fragi
tight vault
we either win or lose really badly
fresh turret
I feel that these really aggro reinhardts have like a super anime way to think
like the fate of the universe is on their shoulders when they charge
ornate flume
coarse heath
balmy wolf
tight vault
O
torpid charm
a true treasure
cerulean plume
Slept for too long 
limpid storm
Hello guys
silk linden
light theme discord screenshots hurt my eyes
broken surge
@/r/OW-BOAT jumbo 😤 😤 😤 😤 😤
vagrant niche
anybody watching contenders?
pearl stratus
Blizzard talking about new Hanzo in Stage 4.
vagrant niche
i saw that on reddit, I think Last chance said something about it
pearl stratus
Agilities was mentioning it, they're apparently listening to player feedback a bit.
Also rolfmao at people telling Reinforce that his opinion on Rein in this meta is wrong.
Like. Wut.
vagrant niche
well good thing Bliz is listening to their audience, cause if you think about it
WE are the ones watching
the pros are playing for US to see after all
torpid charm
I met Fusion, my life complete
torpid charm
YES
torpid charm
I hugged Sado and gave him a stuffed animal
vagrant niche
Man WhoRU is pretty crazy
brisk roost
Nice!
slim summit
in my humble opinion
either do the university aesthetic or don't
don't give me that ugly ass F U with the prim & proper Fusion University beneath it
style it like actual university logos
I'm indifferent to the FU though
vagrant niche
I hope they win tomorrow
WhoRU is super fun to watch
Looking up to EQO senpai i see
@slim summit
then they need to go with the double standards
deft valley
that's not
whut
like banning the jerseys is stupid (and especially banning them this late)
but it's not a double standard, it's just a line drawn
slim summit
that's a real wonky line, zig zagging all over the place with no discernable pattern
deft valley
not really
69 and bamf is racy but they're not an insult
FU is an insult, even though it's obviously a jokey one
slim summit
except
deft valley
they've been pretty clear on that
slim summit
the reason it's his jersey number is because they wouldn't let it in his name
so
clearly it's ok some of the time
deft valley
so what?
vagrant niche
FU on this context means Fusion University, how about grow up and stop thinking like a child
deft valley
can you reread my message plskthx
slim summit
what are you talking about, blizzard did nothing wrong
deft valley
nothing about this is a double standard
it's a standard you might not agree with, but they've been pretty consistent with it
hell it's one I don't agree with
but I see why they do it
pearl stratus
Coolmatt69 was his username, they wouldn't let him keep it as his name so it became his jersey number.
ruby pendant
Contender games have been fun to watch
Would be nice to see how these contender teams would spar against Overwatch League teams.
silk linden
Twitter
stable wadi
Geguri is the best
torpid charm
I love her
hidden osprey
you should watch Sideshow's twitch streams
pearl stratus
torpid charm
sucks but I really hope he gets better
gusty cradle
anyone bought tickets for grand finals in nyc?
crisp mica
Yeah a friend of mine is going with a Paladins sign just to fuck with everyone there
See people get salty
fiery reef
Anyone know whats up with the floor ticket options for Grand finals?
I saw that pre-sale tickets went up early ... but I don't see an option for floor tickets just GA Bowl
are they sold out entirely, or just pre-sale ones are sold out
whole mulch
Any of you guys going to grand finals?
torpid charm
I really want to
supple prism
those smug faces
torpid charm
lmao I love FU
warped cliff
sullen berry
FU consistency underrated
marsh elbow
who wants to see XQC at the world cup
fiery reef
Im planning to go with some friends. Live in NYC might as well go! Though I want floor tickets and the presale floor tickets are sold out already
tight vault
summer tangle
I want to see dafran in OWL
limber pine
EU/NA Overwatch Contenders Grand Finals is LIVE!
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mossy girder
Hi
paper crag
Only a few days until SHD gets their first win
storm aspen
I have just turned 15. DPS player who is sitting on the edge of GM looking for a team. EU PC English
cerulean plume
EU vs NA coming up 
tight vault
whos playin
tight vault
isn't fusion uni ran by the same people as philly fusion
cerulean plume
Yep
tight vault
and british hurricane is london
torpid charm
yes
torpid charm
yes
torpid charm
I love the banter
scarlet spear
LFZ (CN) Hurricane ( EU ) Fusion (NA) and EU won the EU vs NA showdown
vagrant niche
thank you
magic zinc
Lol now even the pros are confused as to whether or not new Hanzo is in stage 4
torpid charm
it's a mystery
warped axle
fresh turret
I'd assume we'll get to know soon
the question is whether it's before or after watchpoint
Also when's watchpoint?
torpid charm
isn't it usually like late on Tuesday? I always forget to watch so I never know
trim wadi
I don't understand why they wouldn't have new Hanzo in stage 4
The time of it being out in Stage 3 + the downtime between stages is more than enough for teams to start practicing with her
limber pine
I think most teams want new Hanzo in no?
torpid charm
most teams, yeah. I've heard that there are a handful of players that don't want the rework in
red anvil
Probably due to trying to follow the book
like a patch must have been tested on PTR for x long while or something
it's a very messy situation
torpid charm
hella messy
fast basin
Doesn't San Francisco have Choihyobin
torpid charm
yes
we'll get to see a fair amount of new faces. Tizi, Void, Finnsi, Sado. it's lit
balmy wolf
What Makes An Unstoppable Team?
fast basin
Striker
lyric pivot
Circle jerk, with no clean-up 10 minutes before each match
torpid charm
I feel like Boston won't do as well this stage
lyric pivot
Metaphor for good pre-match warm up. They know how to get ready for a match
slim summit
I have a secret to reveal
I can see exactly 63 hours into the future
and in 63 hours, Shanghai Dragons will have their first win
balmy wolf
suffered a lot of losses in the OWL
scarlet spear
we'll most likely have a completely new meta, so wait and see how it pans out
pearl stratus
Either way if new Hanzo is in prepare for an NYXL ridiculous domination.
Libero shall block out the sun with arrows.
torpid charm
Libero finna pop off
pearl stratus
It's going to be a cluster fuck either way since no one knows for sure which it is.