London?
#esports-discussion
limber pine
pearl stratus
Seoul then Dallas.
pearl stratus
I feel like London has improved in individual players enough I don't dumpster them on the list.
Birdring is slumped out, I get that.
But Profit continues to just be a monster, as does Bdosin.
I also think Woohyal is insane, but doesn't get enough play compared to Fury and it hurts them as a team.
tight vault
is imrpoved too
limber pine
I honestly don't feel that they've improved that much
They've always been anchored by great tank and support play
pearl stratus
I'd say they're probably fourth of the least improved.
torpid charm
they were never a bad team, they just didn't really show out until recently
pearl stratus
Seoul absolute least, Dallas second least (mostly because getting OGE helped), NYXL (because they haven't really needed to improve, this isn't a negative on them but they haven't needed to adjust much), London/Houston.
I feel weird putting NYXL on the list, but yeah.
They haven't really been challenged enough to have to improve until lately.
And we can see their new play with Janus and its not going well for them.
Because they're not able to compensate the resources to Janus while not boosting Jjonak.
tight vault
NY doesn't need to improve yet becuz their good 
pearl stratus
Yeah, that was my point really lol
They're starting to though.
And you see them attempting new things, and the new things do not go well.
tight vault
Boston beat them so NY was like well fuck
pearl stratus
It's the Janus effect.
They want an aggressive tank (since Mano is a switch, he plays both well but because he plays both he isn't specialized)
But when they run Janus they don't have a Mercy to babysit him.
Because Ark sits Jjonak.
And they need to shift resources.
But since most teams realize the way to beat NYXL is to pounce Jjonak, if they try to shift to Janus then Jonak gets destroyed.
limber pine
a lot of the league has become "dive the zen"
or the supports at least
except with Seoul it's been "dive Fleta"
pearl stratus
Typically lately its been: "Kill their dive tank, then kill the Zen" for teams like LAG.
Because you can't leave Fissure alone
tight vault
Shanghai will 3-2 New YOrk
limber pine
@tight vault are you putting money on that
tight vault
possibly
limber pine
do you reddit?
tight vault
nop
limber pine
sad
slim summit
there's only like 4 interesting matches this entire week
tulip mortar
Shanghai has proven that they can swing team fights and execute plays. They’ll get a w eventually as long as they stay on the same path
slim summit
Outlaws v Shock, Boston v Valiant, Glads v Boston, Valiant v Philly
tight vault
@slim summit both of Shanghai's matches
slim summit
nop
tight vault
but Shanghai is gon win
limber pine
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
limber pine
really? most of the matches have playoff implications
torpid charm
I'm not hella into this week's matches either, not sure why
today and Saturday hold most of my interest
echo zinc
anyone know when are the semi finals
torpid charm
for what
echo zinc
this stage
tight vault
hanghai will win the rest of their matches
torpid charm
it's the 2nd game for Sunday
echo zinc
k thanks
missed out on last stages finals
hoping to check this one out atleast
btw will hanzo change come with brig next stage or stage 5?
tight vault
wait theres a stage 5
torpid charm
there is no stage 5, it's playoffs after stage 4 and I think Hanzo change is next stage
I don't think the Brig changes are going live for next stage because she just came out, too early for OWL
tight vault
n e x t y e a r
tight vault
han oap
slim summit
Brigitte is supposed to be in Stage 4
limber pine
I assume Stage 4 will be on the LIVE patch today
not sure if anything that goes on the PTR later today will make it
twin swan
Okay, Predict-O-Tron results for today: Shock beats Mayhem 3-2, Uprising vs Valiant goes to game 5 but no idea who wins, NYXL steamroll Fuel
scarlet spear
uprising should normally easily win against valiant with their recent performance
tight vault
its uprising doe
scarlet spear
yes? they are still 8-0 this stage, i can see them take it easily with valiants mediocre performance recently
twin swan
Yeah, I was missing some data. Uprising should go 3-1
twin swan
@slim summit Thanks for the csv btw, have loaded that in to fix some missing data stuff. Will look at loading prelim-stage 2 on the weekend
Shanghai have NYXL and Spitfire coming up, so no
tight vault
if they beat NYXL do they win the whole series
twin swan
No
Interesting thing: the Dragons actually have a slightly higher team rating than the Fuel
rapid bobcat
what are the chances of mayhem winning tonight?
twin swan
hmm, rating data is off again
Right, fixed that. Dragons have a rating of 72, Fuel 73
tight vault
oh thats close
twin swan
Yeah
The fact that Shanghai managed to go 2-3 to Philly meant their rating went up
Same with the 1-3 vs Boston
tight vault
Dallas sucks
slim summit
taking better teams to map 5 matters more than losing 3 maps
twin swan
Meanwhile Fuel just bombed 0-4 to Uprising and 1-3 to Fusion
twin swan
Yeah
Close losses to vastly superior teams increases the teams rating
This is just using stage 3 data, have yet to load in earlier matches
slim summit
Perhaps
I'm not familiar with his model
but almost certainly using elo it would go up considerably
40-50 points at least
tight vault
if Shanghai beats New York rip Dallas fuel
twin swan
Yes to both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship#Test_championship_calculations is where I got the calculation method from
So the rating is the teams points/number of points available for all matches
Then you put it through Teams match points * (opponents rating +50) + (opponents series points) * (opponents rating - 50)
tight vault
ok
fiery reef
So will the Tracer nerfs reduce her pick rate? Or is her kit still just to strong by nature? (when they make it into esports scene)
slim summit
It will be hard to say
there's a confluence of changes that all are speculated to have an indirect effect on Tracer
e.g. the introduction of Brigitte
fiery reef
It seems like a targeted nerf for overwatch league .. but I could be wrong... I don't play at a super high level but I know my tracers are never that focused
I mean wasn't mcree supposed to be the original counter for her.. yet you don't see him as often as you'd think
slim summit
People have been saying that -- it's not uncommon in OWL to just farm your ult up on tanks and then use the pulse bomb on Fissure or Gesture or one of the more impactful tanks
just because they're easy to stick & sometimes are the highest value targets
humble moth
outlaws lost last night, what do you know
fiery reef
Overall her kit is still insanely strong...
restive spear
Brigitte's nubile mouth is the high value target for my bouncing balls
slim summit
IMHO, in order to see Tracer disappear we'll have to see an entirely new tactic
you won't just see similar comps only with McCree instead of Tracer
fiery reef
also .. Brigitte may not make it into the meta at all.. I don't follow competitive (just esports) so I dont know how she is performing right now .. but shes unable to heal in a lot of istuations outside of her long cooldown single target heal.. If she can't get in close enough to melee what good is she?
I mean, its onl ybeen like 3 days right?
or something like that
so tons of people are going to play her regardless, just because of that.
slim summit
The comps that are the easiest for Brigitte are the comps that are being played in OWL right now
with the exception maybe of some Orisa + Hog on specific maps
e.g. Nepal Sanctum
fiery reef
In a month or two, if she is still 100% i'd be amazed ... but less than a week after shes introduced into comp?
100% of my matches in the last month have had Brigitte. But thats because I'm playing her lol
Is it though? Winston and Dva have to be at a near 90% or 95% pickrate in OWL.
There is only like 6 tanks ... yo uwon't find a meta, ever, where all of them are viable, all the time on all maps.
tight vault
6 support meta
fiery reef
and thats not even always the tanks fault. Its based on who they need to counter or protect
The only point I brought up was, we don't know if Brigitte will be meta at all.
then someone mentioned 100% pick rate at GM ... and I pointed out its literally been less than a week .. so that could very easily change.
fiery reef
I was pointing out that, because getting into melee range... as a healer.. isn't exactly easy, or preferred in many cases... she -may- not see play because what good is a healer that most of the time, can't hit targets with damage and has a slow heal..
fiery reef
Orisa and Reinhardt see sub 30% (my guess at least) play in OWL.
are you suggesting brigitte is so strong she will reshape the tank meta in OWL?>
I just don't see it, but who I am
none of your business.
.... again .. you are literally working on less than a weeks worth of data and experiences ...
Lets use hearthstone as an example. New set releases. Some crazy new deck is made .. and for a week it wrecks. Everyone and their grandma is playingit. Everyone is hitting rank 1 legend with it. Then a week later people go "oh wait ... this old deck is actually going to shit all over that" .. and then you never see it again.
Competitive hearthstone (esports) works very differently than ladder as well.. the best decks on ladder are often times never played competitively.
They are almost entirely different games sometimes
Its not about what they are, I'm using it as an example of how Esports scene often does not share the same set up as normal competive scenes.
Where are you getting your data btw? For the 100% pick rate. Do you have a link, I'm just curious
I'm on overbuff and her pickrate is listed at 4.87%
sorry 5.87% in grandmaster*
4.87 was everyone
zenyatta has almost double that. at 9.89%
shes barely picked more than Lucio or Moira.. and falls quite a bit below Zen and Mercy (which is expected)
Looking purely at supports ONLY .. shes at 16.32% .. vs zen at 27.50$
Its cool, I understand. Next time though, if you can't back up what you say, don't say it.
I never said she wouldn't. But go ahead and think what you think.
limber pine
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slim summit
implications
tight vault
almsot masters
halcyon fiber
brigitta is live on owl?
slim summit
no
halcyon fiber
oh well
slim summit
corrupt desk are using their platform to complain about her
and push their agenda to the masses
fiery reef
I'm glad they touched on what I was talking about. That she most likely won't replace any supports. Because she couldn't heal them at a strong enough pace. So if 3 support becomes common in OWL I can see it
tight vault
booo
pallid cargo
puckett with the jebait
slim summit
they need to ban high fives
i feel so much pity for the players
obligatory high fives from people in other teams' shirts
marsh pumice
hello all and here i am for some OWL fun
vast dagger
lmaooo
marsh pumice
😂
vast dagger
thats an EZ Clap boys
vast dagger
oh wow\
hot compass
one more push and they win
tight vault
2cp 
frosty forge
haHAA
vast dagger
POGGERS nevic
sacred cargo
Dayum
vast dagger
nevix*
brave barn
guys wtf is "shock is looking to play spoiler" means?
frosty forge
Nevix > Poko
tight vault
overwatch dead game??? 😛
frosty forge
Nah trash teams thats why
humble moth
ez
idle beacon
so SFS have an apropiate team now, huh?
rancid jay
that match is even right ?=
brave barn
mayhem makes so many mistakes
humble moth
no lol
rancid jay
both teams
hot compass
who's the worst team in the league?
tight vault
Dallas
hot compass
i would say dallas
forest jungle
Score wise, SHD
candid cedar
yup
hot compass
shanghai have good players but they are disorganized and thats why they lose
humble moth
they have more wins than shanghai, thats all that matters
brisk roost
Shanghai's gameplay is better than Dallas's
forest jungle
Ehhhhhhhhh
brisk roost
Especially yesterday
That shitty offense from Dallas didn't really make up for that great defense
forest jungle
I don't know, I would think owning SHD would be more profitable than being owner of Dallas atm
humble moth
you could have the best teamwork but if you lose you still lose
frosty forge
If shanghai beats spitfire
forest jungle
While Dallas was the team everyone thought would be great
forest jungle
and..they just disappointed everyone
humble moth
pics or it didnt happen
torpid charm
y'all rooting for or
frosty forge
humble moth
neither
forest jungle
Don't care
humble moth
im indifferent to this game
hot compass
forest jungle
waiting for Boston game
brisk roost
I would root for Mayhem but I remember if Mayhem wins, it makes Outlaws look weak so
idle beacon
mayhem doesn't suck
forest jungle
Shock has been improving quite a bit I noticed
forest jungle
Oh is that why?
brisk roost
Easily
forest jungle
I haven't been keeping up with them
Sayaplayer from Mayhem also looks quite good too
brisk roost
Sinatraa was getting his ass clapped so they had to sub Danteh in
And ngl
Architect popped there
torpid charm
I love SF's tank duo bow that Super can play
torpid charm
torpid charm
brisk roost
Oh yeah but didn't you get butthurt when Shanghai lost to Mayhem and even got mad to that one guy that was cheering for Mayhem
idle beacon
nope
brisk roost
You even got mad at me when I was cheering for LAV during their match with Dallas
torpid charm
I have to wait so long for the next Philly game, I cry
idle beacon
so is this your way to deflect that outlaws are just utter shit?
forest jungle
Do people -really- get mad though? I thought it was more of fake-mad thing like sports thing
idle beacon
@forest jungle it is
fiery reef
I have a feeling new Hanzo is going to have a bigger impact than Brigitte on OWL... will his changes be in next Stage?
brisk roost
They may have lost but do I take it to the heart that Outlaws lost?
idle beacon
fake-mad
brisk roost
No
idle beacon
that is
forest jungle
nod
brisk roost
Just because a loss doesn't mean I won't be a fan anymore
balmy wolf
@fiery reef I believe so but I haven’t seen any official confirmation
brisk roost
That's not gonna make a difference lol
forest jungle
Yeah, that's the spirit
I'm sure many of SHD fans also agree with that idea
myself included
brisk roost
Indeed
balmy wolf
as a mayhem fan I agree too
brisk roost
You're never a fan from the start if your team loses or have been underperforming lately
idle beacon
gremlins 2 on tv
forest jungle
Mhmm
Though you can end up being side-fan of a team that's winning in style. >.>
<.<
brisk roost
Like you hate them and say not a fan anymore just cause they're performing poorly
idle beacon
i was rootin for philly, boston .. and still am
forest jungle
XD Was Boston fan from day 1.
forest jungle
😄
rapid bobcat
4-0
idle beacon
i was rootin for fuel because of internethulk
forest jungle
Philly just looked so stylish when they beat Boston 4-0 in stage 2
balmy wolf
I ve been rooting Mayhem since stage 1 despite all the loses
forest jungle
<.< and EQO whatnot so they're my second fav team
rapid bobcat
this is going to be a 4-0
idle beacon
how old is danteh again?
balmy wolf
im hoping for at least 3-1 but it’s looking like 4-0
forest jungle
Are there just lack of talent on Mayhem compared to Shock?
idle beacon
dude looks like 30 .. damn amphe addicted freak 😮
forest jungle
I can't seem to see any stellar play from Mayhem other than Sayaplayer nowadays
brisk roost
Danteh reminds me that one guy in our school in 10th grade
balmy wolf
imo mayhem just have a lack of staff
brisk roost
He's half Filipino half White
forest jungle
Oh?
brisk roost
I think that is
idle beacon
ur mate is or danteh is?
brisk roost
The dude in our school
idle beacon
k
balmy wolf
Like stage 1 they lived like an hour or something away from the arena, they got a second coach like just now in stage 3 I believe
and they just recently hired an analyst
forest jungle
Wait so they were running with only one main coach?
While other team has at least 2 or 3?
~.~
idle beacon
who paid the damn million dollar fee to get into the OWL??
like, that sounds like some last-minute-gather team
forest jungle
Meanwhile Philly flaunts their personal chef
balmy wolf
Yup
humble moth
danteh doing work
balmy wolf
They only had Mineral, until they hired r2der for the start of this stage I believe
forest jungle
She looks great, but I like her food just a bit more
marsh pumice
awesomeguy what a nickname
idle beacon
heidi is awesome
marsh pumice
it's to troll the hosts
torpid charm
Awesomeguy and Coolmatt, best names
forest jungle
lol
idle beacon
@forest jungle eh what? .. heidi looks great?
torpid charm
no matter how you're doing, you'll always be called awesome or cool
balmy wolf
They also started as the only team with only 6 players
cerulean plume
Viewership hasn't been looking too good these past 2 weeks 
idle beacon
@forest jungle are we talkin about the lady cookin and all that for philly? the mid-40 lady?
oh
;D
humble moth
ive stopped watching the past two weeks
forest jungle
XDDDDD
humble moth
got boring
forest jungle
It's fault of mine, I forget couple words when I'm typing furiously.
idle beacon
@humble moth you've missed some really great matches
balmy wolf
Chef Heidi needs to go cheer for philly in full Moira cosplay
The similarly is uncanny
brisk roost
Ikr lol
humble moth
eh, I'd rather be playing
idle beacon
@balmy wolf lol dude
forest jungle
Yeah but who'd want Moira to cook their food?
humble moth
thats why I dont understand streamers
idle beacon
@humble moth i dont watch streamers, either. just sports matches
torpid charm
I will admit it gets old sometimes but you never really know what it'll be like when you watch so ya. plus I don't have anything else to do ever so why not watch OWL
humble moth
most of the time I just have it muted and minimized so I still get my drops
idle beacon
i'm havin the stream runnin atm, because of the tokens. i am watchin gremlins 2 and talkin to ya'll ^^
brisk roost
That's why I can't wait for school to end
Season playoffs finally plays in the summer where there's no more school ayy
forest jungle
Normally I agree with you, @humble moth but for some unknown reason, I enjoy watching OWL. Never been the one to watch any kind of sports match.
brisk roost
I enjoy watching OWL too
hot compass
sniped the second they got out of the mech
idle beacon
i enjoy intense matches
brisk roost
I didn't really bother watching other esports and I just thought to give OWL a try
And I really enjoyed it
torpid charm
Mayhem looking like 🚮 today
balmy wolf
@forest jungle same never watched any sports, but I like watching OWL
idle beacon
cs:go is borin, tho
brisk roost
Same for League of Legends or DoTA
humble moth
back in the day cs was the shit, when it first came out
brisk roost
Playing it is fine but watching it is boring
forest jungle
Why's that?
humble moth
and you had to install it with a cd
forest jungle
Just old?
fiery reef
Jesus new hanzo feels broken... if he isn't nerfed at all and makes it to stage 3, there is no way he isn't played.
often
idle beacon
i wish q3 would be going strong nowadays .. with all the streams and big pricepool tournaments shite
balmy wolf
I mean when ppl talk about viewership I wish there was a way to see how many people watch the VODs
fiery reef
I'm straight trash with Hanzo .. and I was getting double and triple kills left and right
brisk roost
What 71 million?
forest jungle
71k
fiery reef
rupees
balmy wolf
71k VOD views ?
idle beacon
@fiery reef hanzo was broken before .. he's now actually well balanced. his stormarrow still deals tons of dmg .. just needs skill .. not like the scatter crap
humble moth
71 million people are watching right now
humble moth
xD
fiery reef
lol his new storm arrows don't really need skill either. I'm getting more kills with Stormarrow than I ever did with scatter
brisk roost
Yeah not much are watching today
forest jungle
Gotta wait til matches like battle for LA or whanot for it to go way up
humble moth
when nyx or seoul play theres a lot
idle beacon
prolly access-pass crap?
fiery reef
He builds his ulti way faster now with storm arrows
brisk roost
You using all-access or somethin?
balmy wolf
I know there’s a lot of times I wanna see matches but can’t cuz they’re too late. So I watch the VODs the day after
fiery reef
and his air dash is going to do wonders for pro players
idle beacon
@fiery reef try gettin kills against teams not playing dumb 😄
fiery reef
I'll have to jump up a few skill ratings to do that xP
idk where I'm at in QP ratings but I'm in the mid plat range for competitive so ... /shrug
fiery reef
yeah
balmy wolf
Yea
forest jungle
oh cool
fiery reef
new map, hanzo, nerfs to brig and some others
idle beacon
that forward dash is cool, actually
fiery reef
buffs to lucio
humble moth
that was nice
forest jungle
Guess I'll take a look later tonight
fiery reef
Big thread on the forums about how, lucio mains are all gonna quit en masse because now "lucio is too easy for bad players to be good at"
Got a good chuckle from it
fiery reef
they made his wall riding .. almost impossible to be bad at, so its lost a lot of its skill required
balmy wolf
Low skill floor high skill ceiling
forest jungle
Just look at insta lock WMs
fiery reef
LOL @forest jungle so true ... auto lock Widow .. Hanzo. Tracer. Genji.
I miss the days when Reaper was actually picked.. At least an auto locking reaper could sometimes ulti and get 5 kills.
balmy wolf
? @fiery reef I feel like I see reaper in all my matches
forest jungle
I don't see him much either
fiery reef
Really? I like never see reaper
clear crane
wtf tgat tviq riptire
forest jungle
Wow
fiery reef
I used to see him a ton, partly because I played him a ton at launch.. he was one of my original mains with Lucio .. but .. then again I've never had a "main" really ...
forest jungle
Shock is rolling Mayhem
clear crane
0 deaths... he can do better
fiery reef
-1 deaths or gtfo
forest jungle
how? - deaths?
balmy wolf
I see him a lot in qp and a bit on comp
humble moth
thats a terrible shirt
clear crane
what othinus said
forest jungle
lol
fiery reef
Play mercy, never die. Rez 1 person. -1 deaths.
balmy wolf
FeelsMayhem 😦
forest jungle
If your Mercy isn't dying once, your opponent is just sitting on their thumbs
forest jungle
lol
fiery reef
I have a dream. That one day, we will look at the score boards and see Shanghai above Mayhem. And all will be right with the world.
forest jungle
How many wins do Mayhem have?
fiery reef
2 I think?
torpid charm
like 4
forest jungle
Oh
torpid charm
!standings
somber yewBOT
W L MP MAP W-L-T
1 
New York Excelsior 25 3 28 91-29-2
2 
Boston Uprising 20 8 28 73-49-1
3 
London Spitfire 18 10 28 78-43-1
4 
Seoul Dynasty 18 10 28 66-50-3
5 
Philadelphia Fusion 18 11 29 69-59-1
6 
Los Angeles Valiant 17 11 28 67-46-5
7 
Houston Outlaws 16 13 29 72-55-1
8 
Los Angeles Gladiators 16 13 29 65-58-2
9 
San Francisco Shock 11 18 29 52-68-3
10 
Dallas Fuel 6 23 29 36-79-6
11 
Florida Mayhem 6 23 29 35-84-4
12 
Shanghai Dragons 0 28 28 15-99-1
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
forest jungle
Oh nice!
fiery reef
6?, who'd they steal those from. Must be 6x Shanghai
forest jungle
So proud of Uprising. =u=
balmy wolf
Mayhem beat valiant and fuel last stage
fiery reef
I'm telling you, once my Shanghai Jersey makes it. Next stage, they are going 2 and 0 before their first loss. Shanghai dream!
fiery reef
what? No. Mayhem didn't beat them, Valiant and Fuel just lost. Thats different.
hot compass
"you're deafening moment"
brisk roost
Yeah Mayhem is stronger than Fuel right now
Also Valiant was inconsistent asf last stage
balmy wolf
They also beat shock last stage
fiery reef
Mayhem haven't won a single game yet. They've either just lost less than Shanghai, or their opponents lost the match. Mayhem wasn't apart of the equation
balmy wolf
😠 Mayhem are good they just have issues
brisk roost
I haven't been watching but Nepal actually just starts now lol
fiery reef
is the issue, not being good x)
brisk roost
Totally forgot that halftime is quite long
balmy wolf
lmao
fiery reef
Like, really, they are pretty bad, They just happen to lose less than Shanghai. They aren't winning though. Their wins come from other teams throwing.
balmy wolf
Much like shanghai I think their issues are in synergy, and supports. I feel mayhem support’s die way too much.
forest jungle
..unless you're Sky from SHD
humble moth
ill check back later, gonna play some FC5
slim summit
fiery reef
I feel that shanghai has the stronger players, and with time, they will pass Florida
As the language barrier starts to be less of an issue
forest jungle
They'll have to grind out by individual skills though.
Due to lack of communication
fiery reef
For a bit sure, but they seem to be getting better at it.
forest jungle
Oh yeah, Like anyone, you end up developing mixed third language between team
humble moth
@brisk roost pc only bro
brisk roost
@humble moth Nice bro
forest jungle
I'm quite glad they are now allowing Korean players to speak in Korean
fiery reef
honestly, if they had 1 korean support, (I dont thin kthey do?) they'd be better than they are. Because then you'd have 1 tank, 1 dps and 1 healer, who can all communicate. The problem is, they can't effectively communicate with their 2 supports
balmy wolf
shanghai better players > have sky and freefeed
forest jungle
Unlike before when they forced them to not speak any Korean
fiery reef
on the high end yeah. Their high end players are much much better than floridas high end players
ADO, is a beast. The stuff he does on a team that can't really support him very well, its nuts. Geguri also works wonders
forest jungle
Shame Fiveking and Altering are both Mercy players
Diya's also been doing pretty good speaking of which.
Supports really are the weakest link for SHD atm.
balmy wolf
Ado is really good but much like Sayaplayer, one single person can’t carry a whole team
torpid charm
Shanghai def needs new supports
forest jungle
O_o Ado's not the only one that's good in that team
torpid charm
Sky is stepping it up
forest jungle
Geguri's quite good too.
Fearless needs to be just little bit more defensive though
fiery reef
Geguri and Ado are doing fantastic. Both of them have nuts plays. I bought a geguri Jersey after they finally got their first 2 wins in a match.
forest jungle
Oh yeah, I was surprised with Sky's performance last match
Geguri is the tank player everyone wishes they had when they're playing support.
spring lintel
ill watch the last match for tonight
rapid bobcat
Logix should play more maps
trim wadi
i wish the OW Liquipedia had a color key for the tables
rapid bobcat
Let Tviq sit on the bench
rapid bobcat
No
clear crane
lol sinatraa rekt
trim wadi
Org luck tbh
NRG's teams are doing good right now so the Shock are as well
Envy's teams aren't in the best spot right now so the Fuel suck
C9 is average, so Spitfire are too
figured out the puzzle
as for the Valiant and Mayhem
well idk how the Immortals and Misfits are
15 
K
rapid bobcat
mayhem had less than a day to prepare for this match
but then again so did shock
nvm
trim wadi
Zebro's setup is so weird man
warped axle
I low-key think is going to do really well in stage 4
rapid bobcat
they'll end somewhere 4-7
torpid charm
Nevix forever alive
torpid charm
died once on this map too
rapid bobcat
oh okay
torpid charm
rapid bobcat
indeed
torpid charm
well, make that two deaths now
frosty forge
4-0verwatch
grim horizon
I wish florida mayhem didn't suck!
humble moth
tryhard
warped axle
So rare to see a Dva get player of the match
forest jungle
GO BOSTON
paper crag
hmmmmm NY is definitely getting a win tonight
boston needs to stay on the top of their game huh
if they want to go into the stage finals as the first place
candid cedar
im rooting for boston
paper crag
NY has an easy week
candid cedar
who are they up against?
paper crag
it's like at least 3 map scores i think
probably 8
and they're already pretty close to boston
forest jungle
Boston's playing Valiant
paper crag
BU is vs valiant and glads this week
frosty forge
“Mr DreamKazper, I don’t feel too good” “ I don’t wanna go “
candid cedar
dunno how valiant or glads will go down
paper crag
if BU wins both games, BU definitely goes first place
candid cedar
but i hope they can finish the stage with a perfect record
paper crag
but one loss could make things iffy since NY is actually 1 map score ahead of BU
paper crag
i want BU to have a perfect record just for the sake of somebody having a perfect record
forest jungle
NY, on the other hand, would like to go against BU I think
candid cedar
same lol
forest jungle
Yes, me too
paper crag
BU needs to stay on the top of their game though i think
candid cedar
seems like valiants will be easier than glads
paper crag
LAV and LAG are probably fairly beatable for BU but nothing to scoff at imo
forest jungle
Valiant has some good WM players
That's the consensus, the desk folks think BU would beat Valiant but not Glad
paper crag
Custa is probably really confused right now, like "what? A team that I'm on is probably going to playoffs?"
forest jungle
XD
forest jungle
Meanwhile, poor Unkoe
paper crag
lol
paper crag
soon dodged a bullet
candid cedar
BOSTON PLZ
rapid bobcat
Great match with great casters
forest jungle
BU isn't perfect on Anubis anymore
fluid dagger
rapid bobcat
Please go to map 5 and then boston win
forest jungle
This should be a treat to watch
candid cedar
ya im actually excited for once
candid cedar
LESSGOOOOOO
paper crag
so winning all map 5 is a given 😛
or have they literally never lost map 5 throughout the entire season?
candid cedar
dont think they have
paper crag
how many akm blade was that
forest jungle
There we go
fluid dagger
interesting not seeing a defensive widow
fluid dagger
as soon as they push past the archway widow becomes uncontested basically
vestal berry
forest jungle
Mistakes Genji is....meh
forest jungle
v.v
forest jungle
Only mistake made was from DK
paper crag
Donkey Kong?
forest jungle
Sure, may as well be
paper crag
2 seconds later the other team starts mopping the floor
brisk roost
WINGS OUT
dusky canopy
paper crag
ITS OVA
brisk roost
forest jungle
!
fluid dagger
boston full hold
forest jungle
We'll see
paper crag
BU took more than 2 ticks, so you can't even say "full hold as in 0 ticks given"
forest jungle
I think he might mean BU will full hold?
paper crag
no he just said "valiant with the full hold at second point" or something to that effect
forest jungle
Oh? Did he?
paper crag
is full hold gonna be the next C9
brisk roost
Cheering for underdogs lol
paper crag
point is held = lul full hold
forest jungle
Since when was VA underdog?
brisk roost
I mean people considered VAL a mid tier team
A bit of an underdog but at the same not
forest jungle
It wasn't long ago when BU was considered same tier as VA
paper crag
i guess they're not underdog underdogs but underdogs at this top tier level
fluid dagger
still no vallient widow, interesting
brisk roost
Yeah that's what I meant
forest jungle
Isn't Soon the one that usually plays WM?
paper crag
agilities doesn't play widow much though,
fluid dagger
yeah
paper crag
almost every fight is like BU kills 2, VA kills 1, BU kills 2 more, VA kills 3 back and reset
lol
fluid dagger
problem is spawn advantage
forest jungle
Yeah
fluid dagger
vallient was winning that as soon as they started trading
forest jungle
They have to try not to get snowballed
fluid dagger
mistakes tracer? huh
paper crag
btw is there any way to not have the screen shake when you're shooting as tracer?
fluid dagger
hope he's practiced
forest jungle
..........
fluid dagger
oh snap
paper crag
wtf bunny?
paper crag
oh just reset?
fluid dagger
oh
forest jungle
O_o
fluid dagger
yeah he was resetting
tracers don't stand still like that at this level unless t heir keyboard broke or it's a reset
lol
paper crag
yeah i thought he was having technical problems
paper crag
which reminds me, there was this one time on a pro dota match where this guy was having connection problems so he stopped moving
fluid dagger
that didn't look on purpose for gamsu
paper crag
and the opponent team was about to kill him but didnt
and was like "connection issues?"
paper crag
that was pretty cool
although it would have been hilarious if the connection problem was a fake out lol
fluid dagger
they're pretty on top of time outs
usually do it before viewers notice
so i doubt there'd be a problem like that so blatant and no time out
fluid dagger
lol
yeah that was a great trans
perfect timing
and positioning too
he knew exactly where genji was going
paper crag
what are the payload maps this stage? junkertown and?
gilbraltar?
i know it's not dorado
fluid dagger
BU you goty this
terse finch
Blizz world
fluid dagger
one more chance
forest jungle
TEAM KILL
terse finch
Oh wait
paper crag
blizz is hybrid though
terse finch
Right
forest jungle
Numbani
terse finch
yeah
paper crag
i feel like every payload i've seen this stage was junker
numbani is hybrid too though
fluid dagger
BU has ult advantage and only one more chance, it's their's to loose
forest jungle
Oh right
fluid dagger
lose*
forest jungle
I think it's just Junkertown
paper crag
no way
fluid dagger
it's over
terse finch
I feel like i've seen something other than junkertown
warped axle
Valiant are crazy overrated
fluid dagger
Boston is crazy underrated... still... for some reason
paper crag
ah it's route 66
warped axle
6 fucking minutes and no ticks
paper crag
they're both very brown/red deserty-maps
terse finch
I always forget about Rt 66
paper crag
that's why it felt like one map lol
forest jungle
XD
No one likes 66
No one wakes up and exclaims GEE I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY ROUTE 66 FOR MY GAME
forest jungle
Soon
warped axle
But Mistakes just meshes so well with his team
forest jungle
Mistakes -can- get lucky though
warped axle
Better than Soon does with his
forest jungle
Yeah
terse finch
It's not possible to get a -2 map differential result from a match, right? It's either -4, -3, or -1?
torpid charm
I like Soon a lot when he plays Widow, I don't like watching him play Tracer. idk why
candid cedar
i think you can get a -2 map differential in 3-1 ?
frosty forge
Jeff jeff jeff
still stump
dusky canopy
You can get a -3 if it goes 3-0-1
slim summit
yikes
terse finch
But there aren't ties, right?
Since or do tiebreaker maps not get counted
wait, I'm thinking about this all wrong
paper crag
more game wins > map scores > result when they played each other
terse finch
you can still get 3-0'd by drawing a map before Oasis I think
I don't even know anymore
paper crag
you can get -3 if you draw your 2CP or hybrid map
dusky canopy
You can have a tie on 2CP and Hybrid
forest jungle
Or both team full holding
warped axle
Striker is nuts
paper crag
i think you can technically win a series with 2 points
paper crag
although i don't think it's happened yet
dusky canopy
You can't tie on Control
warped axle
It hasn't happened
terse finch
-+ 1-4 is possible but 0 isn't
fluid dagger
Wow...
warped axle
Tying only happens on 2cp and hybrid
paper crag
you can tie on 2CP and hybrid, then win control and payload
fluid dagger
Rolling this map
warped axle
I looked away for 10 seconds and the Valiant are getting rolled
terse finch
I really hate how easy it is to mix up OW map terms with older more established terms
warped axle
NOTE
vagrant fossil
paper crag
is that the biggest dva bomb of OWL?
fluid dagger
Holy shit
frosty forge
NOTE
warped axle
VALIANT DEFENSE IS DEAD
terse finch
I know they keep saying Valiant needs a map to qualify right now, but if they don't wouldn't they still need to get 0-4'd by Fusion after this to not qualify?
forest jungle
gg
paper crag
or has geguri done a 4 kill bomb as well
terse finch
So it's just a technicality, right?
hot compass
why do my self destructs never do that well?
paper crag
i remember she did a big dva bomb once
forest jungle
I think Geg had 3
paper crag
i think a demech should count 😐
crisp shard
wtf was this
raven badger
I've had a 5k bomb when my team's sombra hacked the enemy in a comp match too
one of them being rein lol
paper crag
lol
frosty forge
noseboy with the clutch
forest jungle
BU is so relaxed now
paper crag
i had a 6 kill deadeye
warped axle
@hot compass Spacing is the main use of sd, kills are just a nice bonus. It's rare to actually kill with it.
frosty forge
I got a 4 kill deadeye in the practice range
forest jungle
Me too!
frosty forge
So im basically gm 😤😤
hot compass
but i still wish i got more people with it
frosty forge
Balloon meta PogChamp
paper crag
100% crit too if i want
forest jungle
I can get team kill by myself as battle Mercy in practice range
paper crag
can you really though?
forest jungle
v.v No, Athena doesn't approve
paper crag
can you actually kill 6 quickly enough that it tells you team kill?
yeah didn't think so
warped axle
Valiant are playing too passive
forest jungle
Mistakes saved Note's life
frosty forge
How are they holding still?!
forest jungle
My thoughts exactly
abstract granite
Le sigh
warped axle
Because Valiant don't capitalize on Gamsu dying
forest jungle
And let Gamsu revive
abstract granite
And no pressure on Kel
warped axle
Bunny is frustrating to watch
forest jungle
Valiant just seems like they're scrambling
warped axle
No consistency
frosty forge
Soon LUL
forest jungle
and not much teamwork going on
abstract granite
See?
forest jungle
rip Valiant
frosty forge
honestly Kellex should be up with jjonak for best support
abstract granite
Just rezing for free
terse finch
That was a lot of portraits on that de-mech
fluid dagger
Game 5? I don't think so
frosty forge
TeenGrazper let them down 
forest jungle
I think it was more of Valiant not contesting than Kellex being exceptional
abstract granite
frosty forge
this song sounds like a kitchen lighter trying to start up
fluid dagger
And we're one game away
frosty forge
click click click click click
warped axle
Gamsu dies... They could have dived on Mistakes but instead they do nothing and get fucked. Valiant are lost right now.
forest jungle
BU clean sweept, let's go
brisk roost
Damn Valiant smh
bitter phoenix
What's the map count
forest jungle
The crowd is so silent now
bitter phoenix
Boston best be winning
fluid dagger
Valiant has always had issues coming back from losses
forest jungle
I want BU to set the history
brisk roost
There has to be a team to break the streak
warped axle
Boston getting that clean 4-0
bitter phoenix
I've liked them since the 1st match they played season 1
brisk roost
I'll be rooting for Glads tomorrow
bitter phoenix
Striker is a god
forest jungle
Me too!
warped axle
Unless LAV change massively over the break
forest jungle
uh, Boston that is
terse finch
What actually needs to happen for Valiant to not qualify at this point? Don't they need to get swept by Fusion after this for that to happen?
fluid dagger
Boston gonna go all the way
warped axle
Go 0-8
forest jungle
They just need one map, I think?
terse finch
yeah so
frosty forge
Honestly what happened to uprising over stage 2 and 3, they became god outta nowhere
forest jungle
to be kept in running?
warped axle
If that happens I don't know what to say
bitter phoenix
Dk was holding them back clearly
bitter phoenix
(Tis joke)
warped axle
Mistakes hasn't lost though
bitter phoenix
They have great synergy with tanks and supports
forest jungle
Oh, no, he's good but I feel like there was lot more synergy between Striker and DK
frosty forge
“ I didn’t know she was 14” “ tell that to the judge bub “
bitter phoenix
Which let's striker go off
warped axle
Puckett is trying to jinx it
forest jungle
D:
warped axle
He wants LAV to go 0-8
bitter phoenix
I never liked puckett
I've met him a while back when I played Cod and he was a huge dick
warped axle
I love Bren and Reinforce
forest jungle
Soon got stuck in geometry
warped axle
Oh and Goldenboy
frosty forge
Real talk some of the music playing during replays/highlights are 🔥 some of it isn’t just from the game and was made for OWL. Sounds like things that would play at the club
forest jungle
Sideshow is funny too.
warped axle
WutFace
forest jungle
Goldenboy only comes out like one week out of a stage, no?
bitter phoenix
This would be like 8 years ago
warped axle
Week 3 only
forest jungle
nod
bitter phoenix
Goldenboy is legit one of the nicest people I've met I'm a fps game xD
frosty forge
where is Soe is she okay im scared 😔
onyx shore
isn't that a ded game
warped axle
onyx shore
the last thing we heard about soe is her living place is infested by cockroach
and she complained to the owner
bitter phoenix
Soe is legit way to hot to be working for OWL
forest jungle
I love how everyone goes OHHHHHHHHHHHH when Neko blows that bomb off
onyx shore
they should invite seltzer once in a while
forest jungle
...note I mean