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forest jungle
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Are you sure you're logged in when you watch?

stuck agate
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Is it cause it's region locked or somethin

lethal plank
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here's what you gotta do:

stuck agate
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Cause I get mine all the time too

lethal plank
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nope

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i'm in Japan

steady turret
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no, it says I should get them

lethal plank
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and i get them

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make sure your are logged into twitch

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make sure your account is linked

stable wadi
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Acorn - Today at 7:50 PM
Are you sure you're logged in when you watch?

Yeah

steady turret
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I am logged in, I am linked

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I got tokens

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but I get like one a full match

lethal plank
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make sure you see the "game complete" screen

steady turret
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used to be fine, the past 2 weeks it's been awful

opaque cargo
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Important: don't mute the audio

lethal plank
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^

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no muting

steady turret
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I just mute my PC

lethal plank
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no muting pc

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it's mutiny

opaque cargo
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You can mute the tab I think

steady turret
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but I'm literally watching

lethal plank
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make sure you type in chat once an hour

steady turret
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not just having it in the bg

lethal plank
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you have to say at least TriHard 7 once per day

vagrant fossil
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wait u gotta type in chat every so often?

torpid charm
lethal plank
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yeah every hour you get a chance to win more tokens

steady turret
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I dropped a 100 once

vagrant fossil
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bc one day i watched the stream start to finish and i didnt get a single token despite having my battletag and twitch account linked

twin swan
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What was the score on Junkertown?

steady turret
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5-4

twin swan
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I missed that

lethal plank
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fuel won

twin swan
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Ta

vagrant fossil
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it says watching OWL on twitch too and i see my battletag on twitch but i never get tokens gg

lethal plank
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philly's playoff chances are shot now

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if on ps4 make sure your game is linked to the same account

steady turret
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I'd leave my PC on overnight for this but if I'm not gonna get any tokens anyway what's the point lol

twin swan
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@slim summit Man, these predictions were pretty good

steady turret
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oh, there's one

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nice, 2 tokens for the entire night

lethal plank
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oh and don't be logged onto overwatch when watching owl

opaque cargo
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I've gotten two so far, maybe three

lethal plank
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because then blizzard knows you're not actually watching

opaque cargo
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and I've gotten several while playing the game + watching

lethal plank
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what i do is i don't log onto overwatch until owl is done

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and i get all the tokens

steady turret
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that doesn't matter

lethal plank
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not sure if this helps but i watch twitch on my ps4

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on my big tv

steady turret
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this thing is probably just bugged

lethal plank
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and by big i mean 28 inch

steady turret
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how is that big

lethal plank
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cuz i'm a poor man in an appartment

raven badger
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lmao that's like a monitor

lethal plank
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it's actually pretty big for these tiny ass japanese apartments

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takes up about 1/3 of my wall

vagrant fossil
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i think my tokens used to go to my ps4 account bc i forgot to unlink

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once i did i still wasnt getting tokens

lethal plank
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they go to both

steady turret
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I use a 32' as a PS4 tv on my desk

lethal plank
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you get them on both cela

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i get them on ps4 and pc

vagrant fossil
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damn wtf is going on then

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i cant think of why im not getting tokens

steady turret
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it depends on the app's mood

lethal plank
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not sure if it did anything but there was that free 100 w/ email thing when owl started and i did get that too

vagrant fossil
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im in canada everythings linked i always watch the streams like i dont afk

lethal plank
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so maybe try finding that?

vagrant fossil
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i did that and got the 100 for that

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since they introduced tokens from watching games i havent gotten most of them

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i got 3 in the beginning

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ive been at 3 for the past 3 months

lethal plank
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did you make sure you linked the right blizznet account?

steady turret
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I started watching recently

lethal plank
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aka do you have more than 1

vagrant fossil
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i only have the 1

steady turret
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and one time I leave the laptop overnight and it's fine, get what I assume is most

lethal plank
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try going on ps4 then pc

vagrant fossil
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like on twitch it shows the correct battletag on this thing:

steady turret
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then other times I don't get anything while literally watching

lethal plank
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don't check while watching

steady turret
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no offense but your advice is terrible

lethal plank
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the conditions are you have to see the "match complete"

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and i assume to make sure people don't afk token far, you can't be on overwatch

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token farm*

steady turret
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wrong assumption

vagrant fossil
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yeah i usually watch the stream from start to finish and i never have OW open while watching

steady turret
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I've played OW and had the stream open on the same device and got tokens

brisk roost
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I got banned from Twitch chat by saying "thicc/thick" smh

lethal plank
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rip

vagrant fossil
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mods are S T I C C

steady turret
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you can have the stream open on another device anyway, which is how I usually do it anyway

lethal plank
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honestly send blizzard a ticket and ask them about it

steady turret
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too many anyways

vagrant fossil
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yeah imma do that rn

rapid bobcat
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F L FloridaMayhem R I D A

narrow edge
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Blizzard is touchy AF when it comes to "bad language"

lethal plank
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florida's gonna get their asses owned lol

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if they manage to win then i'll buy a florida skin

steady turret
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I'll leave it overnight and if I don't get any tokens I'll probably message blizz

narrow edge
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this is legit one of the comments blizz mentioned when I appealed a silence I got:
" "looser" is what a prisoner get when they drop a soap"

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They legit ban you over jokes

lethal plank
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lllllllllllllllllllllol

narrow edge
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They don't care about context

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AT ALL

lethal plank
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what did you say to get yourself banned?

steady turret
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and yet the in game chat is always toxic af

narrow edge
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that was me replying to a guy writing "looser" instead of "loser" (yes I know - but he was being a twat so I mocked him a little jokingly)

lethal plank
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banned

narrow edge
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chat banned

slim summit
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fined

lethal plank
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we don't need your toxicity

narrow edge
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not banned banned

slim summit
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show us all the remarks now

lethal plank
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well deserved ban

slim summit
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full disclosure

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otherwise you are being unethical

lethal plank
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i'm just glad we prevented philly a playoff spot

narrow edge
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2018-03-02 20:09:20 196298#1 xxxx fucking hell

lethal plank
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yep well deserved

narrow edge
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That's toxic in your eyes?

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Bhahahaha

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You are as bad Blizzard are

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That's nothing more than a reactionairy comment

lethal plank
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remember

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usually it gives warning when people report you for foul language

narrow edge
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If shit ain't aimed at someone why the fuck does it matter

lethal plank
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and you get a ban after your warning

narrow edge
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Yes, and I really don't need the chat anyway in this game. So didn't really mind

lethal plank
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i can't wait for sym to be meta in a few months

narrow edge
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But that doesn't change the fact that they are overly sensitive

stuck agate
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oh yeah new sym rework

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thats gonna be fun

slim summit
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the trick is

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accuse someone on the other team of hacking

lethal plank
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her turrets now have 100 hp each

slim summit
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and when they call you an idiot

narrow edge
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Just look at how they have fined some pros

slim summit
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report them for abusive chat

lethal plank
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shield is wider

narrow edge
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exactly easymac

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That's an actual thing

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Which is why context matters so much, but they don't care

slim summit
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4d chess

narrow edge
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But oh well

lethal plank
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that 0% tiebreaker

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junkertown is so...meh

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i hate that last point

narrow edge
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One of my favourite maps :>

lethal plank
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i prefer kings row

narrow edge
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except last point maybe ye

lethal plank
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i hope they don't bring back horizon in owl

narrow edge
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So much vertical mixed with horizontal playability on it

lethal plank
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one of the worst maps

narrow edge
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Isn't Horizon in works to be reworked a little?

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Kinda like adding a few routes like Eichenwalde got

stuck agate
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i think so yeah

narrow edge
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Wasn't something about it leaked a little while back?

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Like two weeks or so

slim summit
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yeah

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not really adding a few routes, more the opposite

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since it's so attack biased

narrow edge
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Changed a lot about the first point in the vid

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like covers on high ground

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But yeh, very subject to change (if it was real even)

rancid jay
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DAT FATASS

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in the background

sullen berry
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I still love Spains defense in OWWC

rancid jay
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completely took the whole cam

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i swear

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i was scared when she walked around

narrow edge
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Ok?

rancid jay
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lawl

narrow edge
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and your point is?

rancid jay
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that my penis is longer then theirs

stuck agate
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i too have a penile

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it too is big

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MONTE DOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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AWWWW YUS

rancid jay
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xD

sullen berry
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Watchpoint comedy is canon

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I still need to watch the preview to really enjoy tomorrow's matches

steady turret
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jesus christ

opaque cargo
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what the fuck was that

stuck agate
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HOOOO

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Oh man

visual glen
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RMB

steady turret
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wut

opaque cargo
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hydration is hydratin' the glad fans

steady turret
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I feel like florida in most of my comp games

rancid jay
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lawl

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and im like dalls

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dallas

hot compass
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is that a chant?

rancid jay
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chat ?

steady turret
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I guess

stuck agate
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shields up, i think

slim summit
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it's BM to chant against Mayhem

rancid jay
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bm ?

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whats chant

narrow edge
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Dirty dirty boy Tviq!

rancid jay
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good florida

opaque cargo
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that chant was doom

ruby pendant
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lol

steady turret
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whew

rancid jay
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hope lag will cummin back

narrow edge
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It's nice to see how mayhem has grown

opaque cargo
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you can't just start chanting shields up when mayhem are in the room

ruby pendant
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Should expect this result since they relied on the same team composition.

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Gladiators tried so hard to ignore the Pharah

steady turret
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guess I'll watch the next one and go to sleep

narrow edge
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03.23 AM here

ruby pendant
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@narrow edge Sleep!!!

narrow edge
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work at 3pm

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NO!

rancid jay
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ghan

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u from germany

narrow edge
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sweden

rancid jay
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or nearby ?

steady turret
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yeah same, 3:23am

narrow edge
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same timezone

rancid jay
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ah oke

steady turret
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got this week off though

rancid jay
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gettin fkn drunk

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will watching pros getting ownd hard

steady turret
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no, playing video games

rancid jay
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mhh

slim summit
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surefire

rancid jay
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i guess the gladiators just had some LAG ยดs

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haha stpd wordjoke here

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u know

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L A , G ?

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lawl

ruby pendant
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wow

steady turret
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whew

ruby pendant
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Sayaplayer making it look easy

steady turret
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oh geez

narrow edge
stuck agate
opaque cargo
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damn, saya landed that pistol whip like mad

slim summit
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Mayhem is good

narrow edge
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Tviq on a roll today

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hah

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that trap

steady turret
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whew

opaque cargo
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tviq freakin' devouring

narrow edge
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that tracer ult just as fissure jumps ๐Ÿ˜„

slim summit
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did tviq even know sombra was there

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oh i think he just mined where the translocator was

ruby pendant
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wow

steady turret
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probably not

slim summit
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because translocator was there

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oh no

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gg it's over

stuck agate
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OH MATBE NOT??

narrow edge
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it is

steady turret
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nah

narrow edge
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they still had emp

steady turret
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there it goes

ruby pendant
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wow

stuck agate
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Oh there it goes

steady turret
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lucio lmao

narrow edge
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that emp won it for em

opaque cargo
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tfw chat thinks that's a C9 ?????????

stuck agate
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Mhmmm

slim summit
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the c9 spam is a meme

steady turret
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they already had it before the emp tbh

slim summit
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they're just trying to make you mad

ruby pendant
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Always the last few seconds

narrow edge
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most don't even know what a damn C9 is

steady turret
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it just guaranteed it

twin swan
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urg, don't draw it

steady turret
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I don't

twin swan
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I haven't added that into my spreadsheet yet >.<

slim summit
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so do the glads have an attack round here

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or only mayhem

stuck agate
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A C9 is when you leave the point/payload and losing the map cause of it

slim summit
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right ok

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Doa misled me

steady turret
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ah, good to know

stuck agate
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Here we go with the shields up

steady turret
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why is it called C9 though

opaque cargo
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imo, C9 is when you should be able to hold a point (player/ult advantage) and then forget to touch and lose

stable wadi
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Specifically it's winning a teamfight

steady turret
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jesus christ

stable wadi
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and then leaving the point

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Like either everyone is dead or the enemy is retreating

stuck agate
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Ye, that's a better explanation

stable wadi
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and you just step off

slim summit
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oh fuck

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it's a draw

stable wadi
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It's called that because a team called Cloud 9 used to do it all the time across multiple different games

steady turret
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didn't that happen the other day

stable wadi
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So people call it C9

steady turret
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ooh thanks

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I just see numbers all over the chat and decide to ignore it lmao

serene tendon
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get the mics away from the crowd pls

narrow edge
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ALWAYS hide the damn chat

steady turret
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2cp what

candid cedar
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o shit

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a draw

narrow edge
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2 capture point

steady turret
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oh

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I am getting edamucated today

narrow edge
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like anubis and horizon

vagrant fossil
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2 capture point laugh face

stuck agate
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Yass queen

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We gon get E D U C A T E D

narrow edge
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I don't know, just makes sense to me ๐Ÿ˜„

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all these damn abbreviations youngsters use these days!

stable wadi
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2 control point lul

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Though capture point also works

narrow edge
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control/capture

stuck agate
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Close enough methinks

stable wadi
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Yeah it's the same shit

narrow edge
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depends on your perspective ^^

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if you're attackers or defender technicaly!

steady turret
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well fellas, this has been fun but I'm off to bed

candid cedar
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predictions?

steady turret
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have fun

candid cedar
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aight cya

stuck agate
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Laters friend

narrow edge
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Can't predict mayhem!

opaque cargo
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o shit it's the jetpack cat music

narrow edge
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fuckers' unpredictable af

candid cedar
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true

narrow edge
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they can pull of NYXL plays at times

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and then they go ahead and go all Fuel

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they've gotten a whole lot better with the new signs and coach (?) tough

red wyvern
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Hey who won Fusion v Fuel?

narrow edge
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take a guess

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Fusion did

red wyvern
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Score?

narrow edge
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3-1

red wyvern
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I left at half

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Oof

narrow edge
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was close to a 4-0

red wyvern
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What match did Fuel Win?

narrow edge
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Junkertown

red wyvern
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Oh well

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I didnt care too hard anyway, im a Boston Fan

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But im sad that the Mei Seagull couldn't do enough on Anubis

sacred cargo
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They won it barely in OT

narrow edge
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mhm

red wyvern
raven badger
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Florida trickling in like gold players

red wyvern
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Confirmed?

solemn magnet
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Who's playing

red wyvern
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Idk im in bed

raven badger
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florida mayhem vs. LA glads right now

solemn magnet
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Alright I'm gonna try to guess the Score

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FM:0 LA:2

red wyvern
raven badger
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it's 2nd round right now

solemn magnet
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Oh

sacred cargo
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0-0

solemn magnet
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Well I didn't know lol

red wyvern
solemn magnet
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๐Ÿค”

red wyvern
sacred cargo
narrow edge
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1,49m

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hah

slim summit
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full hold

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incoming

narrow edge
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no

stuck agate
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Ooh boi

narrow edge
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No it won't ๐Ÿ˜„

red wyvern
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Still waiting on Shainghai

narrow edge
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I'm hoping for it, as I'm sorta a mayhem fan

red wyvern
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When is the Next Dragon game?

solemn magnet
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Shanghai is obviously the best in the league

narrow edge
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but not believing it

sacred cargo
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Shanghai > Dallas

raven badger
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shanghai is playing all the top teams lol...

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chance is low to win...

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NYE and london

red wyvern
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They're still better than 99% of OW players

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Being in the League is a big thing

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So at least Shainghai has that

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*typo sry

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Im lazy

raven badger
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obvoiusly... it's like the same thing with NBA players when people QQ about "shit players" on an NBA team but when they "1v1" them in real life, they get owned

red wyvern
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Ye

sacred cargo
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I'm curious how long players will last in OWL, like will most players only play in it for 1-2 years and get burned out and retire

red wyvern
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Waiting on a Geguri carry

raven badger
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AKM seems like he wants to quit lol

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or Effect

red wyvern
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T r a c e r

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K bye

narrow edge
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the whole of Fuel seem like it will just disintigrate soon

solemn magnet
stable wadi
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They might do a super duper roster switchup

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Trade a shit ton of people

sacred cargo
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Fuel might just completely rebuild before next season

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Does anyone know how long the offseason will last?

stable wadi
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no idea

red wyvern
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I guess you could say, they need too...

Re-Fuel!

raven badger
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just jump to stage 4....

stable wadi
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It seems pretty clear that the majority of those players don't actually want to be on that team on an individual level though so there's a solid chance that even if they don't get any other offers they might just not sign on again

slim summit
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it will last at least until december

stable wadi
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The majority of them are streamers so they can still find comfortable avenues for playing the game

slim summit
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maybe until january

sacred cargo
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I feel like it cant be too long, fans might lose interest because games have such a wide selection

stable wadi
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How long is the downtime for most other structured esport things?

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I'd imagine Blizzard would aim for a similar timeframe

slim summit
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i don't think there are really other structured esports things

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normally there are just a slew of annual tournaments

stable wadi
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Yeah true

cerulean plume
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League

stable wadi
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FGC is like, yearly

sacred cargo
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Right

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@slim summit

stable wadi
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I'd have assumed League has a similar setup but I don't play league and hate MOBAs

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so I didn't want to throw out the name and then end up talking out of my ass

sacred cargo
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I think league is a bunch of random tourneys

slim summit
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IDK, i'm not an expert either

sacred cargo
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No idea either though since I dont play

stable wadi
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lul

slim summit
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I only ever followed SC2 and OW

red wyvern
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OW is the only (e)Sport ive had interest in. I wished TF2 would be one, but.... yeah

stable wadi
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Honestly I feel like esports is the last thing TF2 really needs

red wyvern
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Idk

stable wadi
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And it's done a very good job of resisting the craze so far even though it has a ladder mode now

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though I will say that its balance is far superior to Overwatch zaryalol

sacred cargo
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Damn that was big

red wyvern
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I playes TF2 alot until Summer 2016 when i got OW

slim summit
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TF2 really needs to stop making Valve so much money so they go back to developing games

narrow edge
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Dota probably earns them more

sacred cargo
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Wouldnt CSGO be making them more than TF2?

narrow edge
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also CS

stable wadi
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At this point the absolutely massive amount of player-created content will give people enough to do in TF2 for at least another decade IMO

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CS probably makes more money though

red wyvern
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TF2 is the abused child labourer of ValvE

narrow edge
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CS is a lot less popular now though

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PUBG and Fortnite has taken A LOT of players from CSGO

slim summit
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CS and Dota should fail too then

red wyvern
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Valve, pls HL3

stable wadi
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I don't think DotA really makes them money on the same level as CS and TF2 lol

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most people play League

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DotA came too far after

narrow edge
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dota is better

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straight up

stable wadi
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Even if it's better

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It came out at the wrong time

narrow edge
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why lol is more popular is because it's simpler to get into

stable wadi
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People said that Lawbreakers was its own game and deserved to stand independently from Overwatch

slim summit
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I tried to learn League but it just made me want to play SC2

stable wadi
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still came out at the wrong time

red wyvern
vagrant fossil
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so i learned why i wasnt getting tokens apparently you have to answer a math question to become eligible in canada

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xDddd

slim summit
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o shit

red wyvern
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What

slim summit
sacred cargo
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Nail biter!

slim summit
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noooooooo

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Draw prophecy is real

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This series will go to map 45

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MAP 45!

red wyvern
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YEET

rapid bobcat
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Fuck you gladiators

vagrant fossil
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map 31 was my fav tbh

narrow edge
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undeserved!

rapid bobcat
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Holy fuck

strange locust
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damn fissure going crazy

nova pelican
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daaaamn that was wild

rapid bobcat
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Even shaz knows

narrow edge
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ugh, fuck it

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gotta sleep D:

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4am now

strange locust
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oh what a shock the 2cp game ended in a draw

rapid bobcat
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SAME

strange locust
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i mean what

narrow edge
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gotta see the results tomorrow

slim summit
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this map is gonna draw too

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just wait

narrow edge
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..eerrr - later to day

slim summit
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oh wait shit

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mayhem didn't make it to 3?????

strange locust
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koth draw KaplanThink

slim summit
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i didn't realize

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i thought they both finished in OT

narrow edge
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they had 1,49m to go

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for 3

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on numbani

slim summit
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rip

strange locust
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how did la take that, did they just get one pick and bum rushed it?

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because if so dang

narrow edge
#

they got 2 in the room on left of last point

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with winston ult

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just bouncing on a wall

strange locust
#

oh yeah fissure went insane in that room

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trapped them in there with a fucking gorilla

narrow edge
#

got a de-mech + one more

strange locust
#

that flank by saya was pretty cool tho

narrow edge
#

(also killed baby dva)

strange locust
#

i keep seeing fake infinity war spoilers in the chat and im losing my shit

narrow edge
#

just shut off the chat

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always

#

and forever

quasi vault
#

rally to me

narrow edge
#

nothing but spam

strange locust
#

eh, it doesnt bother me as much as it does other people. i always think its funny how many people are trying to be seen with it going so fucking fast

narrow edge
#

that's exactly my issue

#

0 point in writing

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and still people do

strange locust
#

holy shit that anubis game looked messy. i only tuned in at the end of the numbani game

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why the fuck would you plan to use an emp you dont have yet. no matter how close it is

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jesus christ shaz is crazy

brisk roost
#

Lets go Mayhem

#

SAYA BRUH

sacred cargo
#

I love and hate twitch chat. I love the random interaction during a stream event, but it is so much that there is no point in saying anything

vagrant niche
#

LETS GO MAYHEM!!

brisk roost
#

LETS GO MAYHEM

strange locust
#

holy shit

#

that flashbang was nuts

onyx shore
#

man,mc cree is zenyatta in dps form

brisk roost
#

BRO THEY'RE TRADING

onyx shore
#

can't do shit when getting dive without peel

serene tendon
#

STOP SCREAMING

#

JESUS CHRIIST

brisk roost
#

FANGIRLS LOL

strange locust
#

thats what happens when you have esports people, the fangirls are crazy

#

i remember in the world cup there was one guy going crazy and getting teamkills, and one girl in the crowd was having an orgasm every time he did anything lol

brisk roost
#

CMON MAYHEM

strange locust
#

oh man this is an interesting fight

#

orisas and widows

#

rip fissure

brisk roost
#

RIP

onyx shore
#

turtle vs turtle

#

yikes

forest wharf
#

saya is just so insane

onyx shore
#

let's see if florida choke again

raven badger
#

he certainly added a lot of value onto his team, but the team overall still can't win

forest wharf
#

at least theyre not shanghai Shrug

raven badger
#

I think they're still worse than dallas though lol

onyx shore
#

lmao

#

choked again

vast dagger
#

EZ

brisk roost
#

DAMN

vagrant niche
#

NotLikeSoldier choked

vast dagger
#

take the series lmao

forest wharf
coarse willow
#

lmfao of course florida chokes

pallid cargo
#

dirty comms

#

sanitize those comms

onyx shore
#

@forest wharf dallas's record is getting worse each stage though

#

they practically can only beat shanghai

raven badger
#

@forest wharf nah after this Loss gets logged Dallas is still 1 map ahead

onyx shore
#

shock,glads,and mayhem already improved so much they can't keep up

ruby pendant
#

Mayhem really had this

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Lost the game under the last few seconds

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Gladiators did good to take advantage

coarse willow
#

i hate these type of games

hidden osprey
#

ye, Gladiators looked scrappy as hell in the first 2 maps

coarse willow
#

where every map is so close

hidden osprey
#

they should have goten both tbh

visual glen
#

Teams are starting to equalize, could be anyone's game nowadays

feral oyster
#

Why does play continue if it's 2-0 game 4?

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Since one team is guaranteed to win the series

hidden osprey
#

map differential

feral oyster
#

What does that mean?

slim summit
#

that means that the total number of maps a team wins in a stage or season minus the total number of maps lost is the tiebreaker

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for when two teams win the same number of series

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e.g. Outlaws, Dynasty, and Shock are all 4 wins, 4 losses in terms of series right now

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but Outlaws has a +1 differential, Seoul has a -2 differential, and Shock has a -4 differential so that's the order they're in

feral oyster
#

Ah

stuck agate
#

Oh my god shaz

serene tendon
#

theres still another game to go, so laaate

forest wharf
#

oh shit got another 100 coin drop

pallid cargo
#

god I love fissure

#

he's such a dork

humble moth
#

uber and mrx woo

vagrant niche
#

Super got pissed

serene tendon
#

yay

vagrant fossil
#

150k zaryalol

zealous plaza
#

is sinatraa good or bad

heady idol
#

I missed game 1, how was Outlaws vs Shock game 1?

waxen rampart
leaden quail
#

Why is chat spamming LUL ?

#

I missed it Gasp

waxen rampart
#

why is chat spamming anything

#

who will ever know

leaden quail
#

Oh C9

#

nvm

waxen rampart
#

oh

#

well that wasn't exactly a c9

#

they lost the fight anyway

median saddle
#

I really haven't seen a true C9 since the LDN vs LAG match

slim summit
#

c8

#

because it's almost a c9

median saddle
#

architect really popped off

waxen rampart
#

the fucking hair ad

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goddamnit

#

i hate it

heady idol
#

sometimes I dislike it when the casters use memes on the cast. kinda confusing unless you're in the culture

serene tendon
#

forehead bantz

waxen rampart
#

i mean who isnt though

#

if you don't get it its just one small joke no big deal

heady idol
#

I dunno, isn't OWL trying to be like "professional" and reaching broader audiences - but then act like average r/cow users

#

eh it doesn't really bother me too much

paper crag
#

oh they have a dedicated comm thing huh

#

i wonder if this is also gonna be an all-access exclusive feature

#

once the command center goes exclusive

#

ooh nvm it's a part of the watchpoint

waxen rampart
#

NEVIX HAS NO FRIENDS omegalul

pearl stratus
#

Jake actually playing like he's a real tracer by the end of Stage 3.

#

Just in time for less Tracer more Junkrat in Stage 4 XD

zealous plaza
#

is sinatraa good bad or evil

tall sierra
#

Dang... SF let's gooo

cerulean plume
#

So from what I've seen architect is destroying linkzr

tall sierra
#

Love those coin drops for sure.

#

@cerulean plume I'm seeing that too.

cerulean plume
#

Was tuning in and out

tall sierra
#

I've been watching the games all day ... just not on h ere for chat as much... because when I do I tend to miss the darn games and not able to enjoy it lol

#

Games priority for me..chat secondary ๐Ÿ˜›

cerulean plume
#

Makes sense

tall sierra
#

It's easy to get rabbit trailed when chatting about a game that is LIVE

#

I hope SF takes this...it has been a good series

#

@pearl stratus I was processing his game play earlier and from what I've analyzed and this is just my opinion, .... I think the situation at the time makes his plays look better than it really is... ie... he's definitely not Top 3 level, but he's playing well enough to take advantage of the, "fortunate/easy" opportunities.

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In some situations one can say, "it gets the job done," but in others the very real fact of stats obtained from playing a lesser team and/or a team that is just playing not at their peak is to be taken with a grain of salt..

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ie... NYXL vs Shanghai... of course NYXL will have crazy stats that are through the roof in clowning on SHD ... now to compare that to a game like with NYXL vs London, would hold a different "value" since it is more 1:1 than NYXL playing against the worst team SHD.

median saddle
#

so houston is out of playoffs if they lose

onyx shore
#

bye outlaws

heady idol
#

welp gg

cerulean plume
#

No chokelaws NotLikeSoldier

tall sierra
#

Nice!!!! Go SF... well done

heady idol
#

supporting houston but shock's DPS were incredible

median saddle
#

Architect is a monster

cerulean plume
#

Architect is a monster

nova pelican
#

daaamn nice game gg shock

tall sierra
#

yea SF played very well

median saddle
#

seems like every team has a really competent DPS line up now

raven badger
#

except dallas

onyx shore
#

except fuel

#

lmao

median saddle
#

well yeah

#

having AKM is guaranteed to put you at the bottom

onyx shore
#

well,on paper,individually,fuel dps line is good

raven badger
#

only effect on dallas has any kind of consistency on dps

median saddle
#

Effect Seagull is a nice lineup

cerulean plume
#

But he's a solo player regardless

median saddle
#

so it's not bad at all

raven badger
#

they keep putting seagull on DVA instead of dps so we'll never know how that will work out if you put both on dps

onyx shore
#

well,tbh,seagull on dva is better than mickie on dva

median saddle
#

tell mickie to stop playing roadhog on numbani

onyx shore
#

probably,the only player worse than mickie on dva is MG

median saddle
#

but SHD now has Geguri

onyx shore
#

still can't beat fuel tho

pearl stratus
#

Houstons biggest issue atm now is supports. Bani got caught out by quite a few D'va bombs that no one else did, which means his positioning was off.

onyx shore
#

and i dont think they can beat fuel on stage 4

pearl stratus
#

And Rawkus has just has such up and down play lately.

median saddle
#

Bani is dying a lot

#

and Rawkus is inconsistent

pearl stratus
#

Stage 1 Rawkus was great, Stage 3 Rawkus is replaceable.

onyx shore
#

i'm curious,who's gonna play brigitte on owl? offtank players? support players?

pearl stratus
#

Could even have a DPS do it.

balmy wolf
#

yo that city center was stressful

median saddle
#

SFS playing Boston

#

so their playoff hopes likely go bye

balmy wolf
#

that was probably one of the best games in the league

#

so who is still in?

median saddle
#

if LAG beat boston on Friday everyone with a 4-4 score will be eliminated

#

if Valiant lose two games, then their playoff hopes still live

#

they have to go 2-0 though with a heavy map difference

onyx shore
#

shock is facing mayhem tomorrow

median saddle
#

oh ok

#

LAV play boston then

onyx shore
#

imo,seoul is technically out

supple prism
#

come on boston 10-0

onyx shore
#

they gonna play london and houston

#

there's no way they gonna 2-0 that

#

meanwhile new york got shanghai and dallas this week

#

lmao

median saddle
#

I'll bust my left nut if LAG beat boston when they're 9-0

onyx shore
#

EZ 2-0

median saddle
#

imagine if Shanghai win vs NYXL

onyx shore
#

wont happen

heady idol
#

the greatest outcome

onyx shore
#

they can't even beat fuel

median saddle
#

it's an if

#

but it will be glorious

onyx shore
#

3-1 is possible

brisk yarrow
#

i mean Philly lost to Seoul so anything is possible imo

worn hornet
#

aaaaand super's our next scandal

brisk yarrow
#

RIP super didnt even like him tbh

median saddle
#

what did super do

worn hornet
#

said Dante is "really dumb" in tonight's AMA

median saddle
#

not sarcastically?

#

interesting

brisk yarrow
#

dont tell me their gonna fine and ban him for that

worn hornet
#

I think it was in a joking manner, but I fully expect someone to overreact.

median saddle
#

I mean someone who would insults their teammates on stream would a dumbass

#

so yeah

twin swan
#

@slim summit Well, the results today were fairly close. Still need to correct some prediction evaluation stuff. First 3 maps between Shock & Outlaws were correct, Route 66 was 50/50 either way, and Oasis had no data for Shock. Throw in the other stuff and I think it works well

stuck agate
#

how close was houston vs shock?

lethal plank
#

3-2 tie breaker shock win

#

pretty close

stuck agate
#

Neato

royal acorn
#

This MONDAY

#

Exciting

fresh turret
#

Ouch

#

The Houston loss stings

#

They are completely out of playoff range now

#

It's interesting to think how they're the only team not to play Dragons this stage

#

If they played dragons and didn't play, say, Valiant or p much any1 else

#

They'd be 6-4 or even 7-3

#

Im just mad becausd vad

#

Bad

royal acorn
#

Why is the last match of friday

#

is

#

"Fuel vs Excelsior"

#

Would be surprised if It will be 1-3

fresh turret
#

Why are you asking that question?

#

Is it so weird

torpid charm
#

I'm actually kinda pissed I missed the last two games last night

tawny sigil
#

HOUSTON, HOUSTON GOT PAST POINT B

fresh turret
#

Wooooooop

#

Good foe SF fans I suppose

#

Oh

#

Well

#

They're guaranteed to not make playoffs

#

There goes my hypd

#

Hype

#

The only teams that could make top 4 now are Philly and Seoul

#

My dream #3 and #4 would be gladiators and houston

#

Although Gladiators look very likely to be in playoffs, Houston is just

#

Poof

torn hemlock
#

Wb NYXL?

onyx shore
#

nyxl already confirmed their playoff spot

torn hemlock
#

Theyโ€™re way ahead, crazy

onyx shore
#

then again,nyxl is going to play against fuel and dragons this week

#

ez 2-0

fresh turret
#

Yeh and boston

#

I love upsets but XL is so good that they'd probably be in my fantasy playoffs

solid spear
#

how can you say if Houston played Dragons instead of Valiant a team they beat anyway theyd win 2-3 more games thonk

fresh turret
#

uhhh

#

uhh

#

smoke bomb

river birch
#

When does brig go into owl?

limber pine
#

stage 4

river birch
#

Am I supposed to know when that is

limber pine
keen warren
#

!tracer

somber yewBOT
#

@keen warren, I've sent you a DM with all my commands!

keen warren
#

!schedule

somber yewBOT
#
Overwatch League Schedule for Stage 3 Week 5
<:SFS:438251672712642571> SFS vs FLA <:FLA:438251672779882506>

May 3rd 19:00 EDT (in 9 hours)

<:BOS:438251672633081857> BOS vs VAL <:VAL:438251672720900097>

May 3rd 21:00 EDT (in 11 hours)

<:DAL:438251672783814657> DAL vs NYE <:NYE:438251672997724160>

May 3rd 23:00 EDT (in 13 hours)

<:GLA:438251672632950787> GLA vs BOS <:BOS:438251672633081857>

May 4th 19:00 EDT (in a day)

<:NYE:438251672997724160> NYE vs SHD <:SHD:438251672599527437>

May 4th 21:00 EDT (in a day)

<:LDN:438251672876351489> LDN vs SEO <:SEO:438251672754585602>

May 4th 23:00 EDT (in 2 days)

<:SHD:438251672599527437> SHD vs LDN <:LDN:438251672876351489>

May 5th 16:00 EDT (in 2 days)

<:SEO:438251672754585602> SEO vs HOU <:HOU:438251672821563402>

May 5th 18:00 EDT (in 2 days)

<:VAL:438251672720900097> VAL vs PHI <:PHI:438251672536481794>

May 5th 20:00 EDT (in 2 days)

:question: TBD vs TBD :question:

May 6th 16:00 EDT (in 3 days)

:question: TBD vs TBD :question:

May 6th 18:00 EDT (in 3 days)

:question: TBD vs TBD :question:

May 6th 20:00 EDT (in 3 days)

vivid solar
#

!standing

somber yewBOT
#
<:OWL:438990485764177941> Overwatch League Standings <:OWL:438990485764177941>

W L MP MAP W-L-T

1 NYE New York Excelsior 25 3 28 91-29-2
2 BOS Boston Uprising 20 8 28 73-49-1
3 LDN London Spitfire 18 10 28 78-43-1
4 SEO Seoul Dynasty 18 10 28 66-50-3
5 PHI Philadelphia Fusion 18 11 29 69-59-1
6 VAL Los Angeles Valiant 17 11 28 67-46-5
7 HOU Houston Outlaws 16 13 29 72-55-1
8 GLA Los Angeles Gladiators 16 13 29 65-58-2
9 SFS San Francisco Shock 11 18 29 50-68-3
10 DAL Dallas Fuel 6 23 29 36-79-6
11 FLA Florida Mayhem 6 23 29 35-82-4
12 SHD Shanghai Dragons 0 28 28 15-99-1

vivid solar
#

shanghai oof

#

what's happening there

keen warren
#

They will win

#

soon

#

I have trust

limber pine
#

They'll find a win somewhere

#

they did not play Dallas this stage I believe

fresh turret
#

they did

#

3-1

#

Houston didn't play Dragons

limber pine
#

oh

#

for some reason I thought differently

still stump
#

Do you think Valiant can win tonight??

fresh turret
#

they can win, I just don't find it likely

still stump
#

There going up against an undefeated team

keen warren
#

Unless Carpe pops off

#

I'd put my money on the Fusion on this one

EDIT: I was off by 2 days

still stump
#

It's Valiant vs Boston tonight...

keen warren
#

.... Tracerbot lied to me

#

I thought it was left to right

fresh turret
#

philly vs valiant is like the 2nd to last match of the regular stahe

#

stage

limber pine
#

it's the last

fresh turret
#

oh it is

#

nice

limber pine
#

if Valiant loses 4-0 tonight, Philly could make the playoffs over LAV with a 4-0 against them

fresh turret
#

also I think only Philly canactually make the playoffs in theory

#

yeah

#

exactly

#

But we know how Philly is

#

..

#

3-2sion

limber pine
#

yup

fresh turret
#

it's hype as hell but they're shooting themselves in the foot

#

though I do want THAT FKIN REMATCH

#

That's right babyyyyyyyyy

pearl stratus
#

Depends also if Carpe is full slump/break.

limber pine
#

i think it's less them shooting themselves in the foot and moreso the rest of the league catching up

#

look at what SFS was able to do last night

pearl stratus
#

I mean we say that, but up until last week SFS was 4th for the stage.

#

They're not even close to a bad team.

limber pine
#

Look how close Florida was last night

pearl stratus
#

I think we're so used to the other stages its hard to remember that like..

#

6 teams were nearly tied this stage.

#

It was Boston -> NYXL -> This group of six teams -> Dallas/Shanghai

fresh turret
#

I'd hate any other team probably if they kept my Houston out of playoffs like that but like

#

I can't hate on SFS

pearl stratus
#

Houston has their own issues, which they haven't fixed.

#

Houston is Western Shanghai.

fresh turret
#

SFS has too much heart for me to hate

pearl stratus
#

They don't have a great Zen and their Mercy is hit or miss.

#

Rawkus hasn't matured well into the League.

#

He's a serious detriment all things considered.

fresh turret
#

idk Rawkus is solid but his positioning is questionable at times

pearl stratus
#

His pros do not really outweigh his cons anymore.

#

Rawkus so rarely makes those big right click plays lately. He gets a few here and there, but its unreliable.

#

There's a growing disparity between him and Sleepy, Shaz, etc.

fresh turret
#

but y'know Houston is the Chad Team

#

so uhh

pearl stratus
#

It's more they've focused on so much else.

fresh turret
#

yeah I just have a bias for Rawkus tbh

pearl stratus
#

Like Jake puts out a legitimately solid Tracer now, Matt hard carries.

#

But their supports will keep fucking em.

fresh turret
#

hmm yeah true

pearl stratus
#

If they had a better Zen, or had a Zen with more awareness do you think they would have lost last night?

fresh turret
#

Bani's a pretty ballsy Mercy sometimes

pearl stratus
#

Because I don't.

fresh turret
#

I don't know honestly

pearl stratus
#

Every map that got rotated on them was because Rawkus got caught in a weird position, or Bani died to something random.

fresh turret
#

Yeah

pearl stratus
#

Like Nevixx last D'va bomb had no right to get any kills

#

But Bani was like "Oh shit, that's shiny. Lemme peak at that."

fresh turret
#

Their supports don't have great positioning, Rawkus' aim is I guess inconsistent and they don't do things like a duo IMO

pearl stratus
#

Most teams already identified if you jump on Rawkus he dies because he tends to panic.

fresh turret
#

I feel like their calls are hectic due to Rawkus being flatout loud and well Jake

pearl stratus
#

You can see the difference because when Rawkus plays Moira he handles himself a lot better.

fresh turret
#

yeah

#

Rawkus is my fav Moira after Sleepy

pearl stratus
#

Eh, I take the Linkzr school of thought.

#

Yes, Jake talks a lot.

#

But its almost all useful.

fresh turret
#

True

pearl stratus
#

Like in their comms during hectic team fights I don't hear Jake really.

#

I hear Rawkus yelling like crazy though

fresh turret
#

I wish my groupmates would think like Linkzr xd

#

Yeah Rawkus yells a lot with varying results of importance

pearl stratus
#

They had to use code words to shut them up and get them focused lol

fresh turret
#

yep

#

But I think that's overall a thing that could very well level up most teams

#

Shock's comms are

#

getting better(?)

pearl stratus
#

I mean worst case scenario since Houston has Kyky now.

#

They could steal Adam from XL2, and bench Rawkus if they had to.

fresh turret
#

oh they rly did get Kyky? I didn't even know

#

I thought it was just rumors tbh

pearl stratus
#

He updated one of his linkdin esque things with Coach for Houston.

#

Also the Nepal and Numbani Torb strat are straight Kyky.

fresh turret
#

Welp my opinion of Kyky has improved infinitely

pearl stratus
#

Eh Dallas wasn't a good place for him.

fresh turret
#

Wait Nepal Torb?

pearl stratus
#

No, Nepal Mei.

fresh turret
#

that was hype af

#

I like the more "spicy" strats for certain points

pearl stratus
#

Either way I think Houston will have a better lock on Stage 4, provided Jake or Clockwork grinds out Pharah.

fresh turret
#

I rly hope so

pearl stratus
#

They do better on slow play non-dive, so we'll see how they adapt Brig on the maps she's good for.

fresh turret
#

are stage 4 maps already listed somewhere?

keen warren
#

There was a reveal earlier on

fresh turret
#

poggers

keen warren
#

Still need Eichenwalde

#

Hopefully for Stage 5 It'll be Eichenwalde, Kings Row

#

Enough of Blizz world

torpid charm
#

I miss Eich

fresh turret
#

Eich would becool

#

also what s5

limber pine
#

Playoffs ๐Ÿ™ƒ

#

Stage 1 Part 1: E-A-C-H
Stage 1 Part 2: H-A-C-E
Stage 2: A-C-H-E
Stage 3: A-H-C-E
Stage 4: H-A-C-E

#

I wonder why they don't like to put Control first

keen warren
#

Control usually have such hype games prolly

#

Would be sad if they blew all the hype at the beginning

fresh turret
#

stage 1 part 2? you mean like the part where they modified scheduling or whatever

#

Control has some hype for sure, since one team will always cap the point

#

in all the other modes it can just end "anti-climacticallY" (not that that has happened many times but it has sometimes) before anyone even gets a single checkpoint, or one team gets one checkpoint

#

probably that

#

Also did they ever clarify the move of hybrid and escort swapping places? It's not a bad decision but I'd like to know if the logic behind it was ever explained

pearl stratus
#

Also didn't they something along the lines of always wanting the ones where you're gauranteed a winner to not be first?

#

Like you can never tie on control.

#

You could, theoretically, tie on Escort (though the likelihood is extremely low)

limber pine
#

I'm waiting for the match that somebody wins 2-0 or 2-1 in tiebreakers

fresh turret
#

yeah double draw would be

#

uhh

#

probably not hype

#

but certainly interesting

pearl stratus
#

It'd actually be pretty hype I bet

#

Unless it was like shit the bed draws.

fresh turret
#

double draw would be hype if it was like Shock fullholding NYXL on 2 maps where NY has like 6 mins timebank

#

or smth

fresh turret
#

that looks nice enough

pearl stratus
#

Interesting still no decay though, 100 is a noticeable difference though

limber pine
#

Yeah it seems like they're really hesitant to make it work like Sound Barrier

pearl stratus
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If they had the tech for it I'd say have it decay post combat.

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But I doubt they have the tech for that, really.

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That way you couldn't roll it into the next fight, but it would maintain during your entire current fight.

fresh turret
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it'd be garbage if the armor decayed

pearl stratus
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Lucios decays because of just how much upfront shield their is, it makes a ton of sense.

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Eh depends, with the right comp I can basically get an ult on Brig every 40 seconds or so. If we maintained a steam roll my team basically never had less than 100 armor.

fresh turret
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exactly

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sure

pearl stratus
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Decay, out of combat, would be a solid solution because it resets team fights to nearly even grounds and relies on the Brigitte being able to charge her ult after/before the next team fight.

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But again, I don't think they have an out of combat indicator really.

fresh turret
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idk I think it would just get chipped away during fights before itever really built up

pearl stratus
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You really can't chip through it if its going through a D'va Rein Zarya, lol

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Armor on Zarya just turns her into a monster, since you have to burn all the shields before you can even touch the armor.

fresh turret
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yeah it makes her strong

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but who doesn't like a bit of Zarya

pearl stratus
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The enemy team, especially when they're stupid.

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I finished a game last night with an average energy of 79%

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Since I never died.

slim summit
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Blizzard intentionally making Zarya strong to help Shanghai win games?

pearl stratus
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I mean I guess if you want to see more Ado or Diya Zarya.

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As long as D'va is required you'll never see Geguri on her.

slim summit
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f

limber pine
pearl stratus
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Way to be behind, nerd.

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It was already said in the link you posted about Brig nerfs.

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God.

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Worst Admin ever.

limber pine
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you should reread it

pearl stratus
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I did, the first one he says they're pushing a bunch of things live today with Hanzo's storm arrow and stuff, this one just says in a few hours!

limber pine
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yes

ruby pendant
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nice info

north tendon
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is shanghai really going to be the pro sports team with the worst streak?

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I looked it up on wiki and theres far longer ones

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like some australian football team

limber pine
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the group that likes to get thrown around I think only includes american teams

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but I think it's a little ignorant to include an esports team on a list of professional sports teams

pearl stratus
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Oh my god. I know its not e-sports anymore.

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But has anyone seen the video of xQc not knowing what condensation is?

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This is like..

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Special Ed Mister Wizard.

torpid charm
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what are y'all predictions for today

nova pelican
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whats the schedule

torpid charm
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!schedule

somber yewBOT
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Overwatch League Schedule for Stage 3 Week 5
<:SFS:438251672712642571> SFS vs FLA <:FLA:438251672779882506>

May 3rd 19:00 EDT (in 6 hours)

<:BOS:438251672633081857> BOS vs VAL <:VAL:438251672720900097>

May 3rd 21:00 EDT (in 8 hours)

<:DAL:438251672783814657> DAL vs NYE <:NYE:438251672997724160>

May 3rd 23:00 EDT (in 10 hours)

<:GLA:438251672632950787> GLA vs BOS <:BOS:438251672633081857>

May 4th 19:00 EDT (in a day)

<:NYE:438251672997724160> NYE vs SHD <:SHD:438251672599527437>

May 4th 21:00 EDT (in a day)

<:LDN:438251672876351489> LDN vs SEO <:SEO:438251672754585602>

May 4th 23:00 EDT (in a day)

<:SHD:438251672599527437> SHD vs LDN <:LDN:438251672876351489>

May 5th 16:00 EDT (in 2 days)

<:SEO:438251672754585602> SEO vs HOU <:HOU:438251672821563402>

May 5th 18:00 EDT (in 2 days)

<:VAL:438251672720900097> VAL vs PHI <:PHI:438251672536481794>

May 5th 20:00 EDT (in 2 days)

:question: TBD vs TBD :question:

May 6th 16:00 EDT (in 3 days)

:question: TBD vs TBD :question:

May 6th 18:00 EDT (in 3 days)

:question: TBD vs TBD :question:

May 6th 20:00 EDT (in 3 days)

still stump
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I'm rooting for Valiant tonight!!!

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Kill the Boston streak

fresh turret
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SFS 3-1 FLA
BOS 3-2VAL
DAL 0-3 or 1-3 NYE

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my predictions

nova pelican
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shock boston ny

still stump
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Those are kinda obvious but I hope some team can change things up...

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Florida has been improving

restive spear
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Dreamkazper jerseys are pulled from fucking everywhere I want one tho, how can I get one? THey aint even on ebay

slim summit
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you don't want one

nova pelican
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yeah its a shame theyre super rare

pearl stratus
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Ironically harder to get than two underage girls.

slim summit
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oof

fresh turret
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that's like an

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O O F

torpid charm
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huge O O F

indigo barn
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Dreamkazper more like

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TweenCatcher

fresh turret
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WhentheyfindouttheygonnaScream(Kazper)

torpid charm
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y'all wild zaryalol

tight vault
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how were the matches yesterday

limber pine
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pretty good for the most part

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HoustonOutlaws vs SFShock was really good

tight vault
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Shanghai's first win is tomorrow

torpid charm
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they were showing the rerun of SFShock vs. HoustonOutlaws, I'm too lazy to watch it

scarlet spear
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wasnt that great imo, was a close game

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but both played pretty mediocre at times

tight vault
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Houston is mediocre

limber pine
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I think it's moreso that they have not improved

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where most other teams have

tight vault
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shanghai>Houston

pearl stratus
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Alright I'm coming back to this channel.

limber pine
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I'd argue that Shanghai has improved as a team more than Houston has

pearl stratus
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Because someone in the comp channel is arguing that Widows ult is useless.

limber pine
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it just hasn't translated to wins

pearl stratus
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And I can just only stand so much retardation in one day.

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I need to just never leave Esports.

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@limber pine Arguably more so, and ironically they're sharing the same issues right now in my opinion.

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Which is a disconnect with supports, wherein they have a decent Mercy but a badly positioned Zen.

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And it costs them games.

tight vault
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in my games we don't even have supports

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Shanghai i say is one of the most imrpoved teams

pearl stratus
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I'd say altogether the Shock is by far the -most- improved.

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But Shanghai is up there.

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But I'd also give Danteh the award for most improved player so far.

tight vault
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least imrpoved is Houston

pearl stratus
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From someone I expected to just be a bench warmer he cemented his role solidly.

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Nah Houston is midpack for improved.

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Least improved is Seoul.

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By far.