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warped axle
That's the beauty of Philly sports: they can never be too good
pearl stratus
Under prepping for them, even for a good team, can fuck you.
warped axle
They always have to be underdogs
brisk roost
But hey at least Philly Eagles won the bowl 😛
pearl stratus
My guess is Philly used some downtime and didn't really prep for Shanghai because they're pretty egotistical all in all.
And it nearly bit them in the ass.
torpid charm
they do that a lot, either they're putting all their energy into the opposite higher skilled team then have nothing left for the next match or completely underestimating
they gotta tighten up again
warped axle
Or because beating Seoul is waaaaaaaay more important
pearl stratus
Just got to remember.
warped axle
So they put all their time in to that
pearl stratus
Any team really can beat any team.
All one team has to do is fuck up more than the other.
torpid charm
especially now, literally everything is up in the air
pearl stratus
And not prepping is fucking up.
Ask the Shock how they feel about Philly not prepping 😛
torpid charm
Philly looked so damn horrible against Shock, lol
opaque cargo
I'm hoping shanghai puts at least one point on the board against NYXL, that's probably the most realistic thing to hope for
victory is very unlikely but if they at least rattle the cage enough to tell NYXL they're not going down without a fight, that'd be really cool to see
torpid charm
Shanghai is taking it little by little, they played great tonight so I can't hate.
opaque cargo
The casters do have a bit of a problem with burying, too
vagrant niche
burying?
opaque cargo
deprecating the value of a team
ruby pendant
Yeah they are last in standings
waxen rampart
agreed
ruby pendant
Castors will make jokes about them
opaque cargo
i.e. we all know Shanghai isn't the best, but typically they shouldn't outright say that if Shanghai wins it's not because Shanghai played well it's because Philly played like shit
it might be true but it's a little tasteless
torpid charm
I see what you're saying
vagrant niche
I have seen them talking about how they have improved etc
not sure where you got that impression from
vagrant niche
they talk very positive about the team from what i have seen
opaque cargo
The crowd booed at the part I'm talking about, it was during one of the match intermission periods
vagrant niche
but at the end of the day facts are facts
well is not like they aren't saying something that is not true
opaque cargo
idr which part exactly, I wasn't paying super close attention to the stream
vagrant niche
The desk got some memes back when they predicted they were going to beat the Fuel
they learned
I remember the contender casters mocked them for it
rare sonnet
I’m sad Shanghai lost Nepal
They just went all weird and disorganised even after an ez clap opening kill that was un-rez-able
stuck agate
shanghai will win one game eventually i hope
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balmy flower
funniest part about shanghai losing is completely silent and disappointed crowd after the tiebreaker
sullen berry
they pressured themselves into setting up a surprise team comp
knowing that the same one would be foiled by Fusion's triple tank
verbal roost
league needs rebalancing?
onyx shore
league needs to have longer break between stages
also schedule everyone vs everyone
every team only play 10 matches
this is a clear advantage for the team that dont get to face NYXL (and boston for this round)
also a disadvantage for the team that don't get to face SHD for ez 4-0 or 3-1
stable wadi
onyx shore
they didnt
lmao no eqo
maybe he can disguise himself as korean/chinese player by doing what he did best
lul
rapid bobcat
Mayhem didn't face shanghai stage 2, but if they would than Mayhem would've been 10th with 1 more win over dallas
onyx shore
not facing nyxl is a victory itself,it's like you got a bye
i just realized dallas fuel is 1-7
back then on stage 1,even with the slump,people still consider they are stronger than mayhem
now,they can only beat the dragons
their stage one record is 3-7
stage 2 is 2-8
their next matches is against new york and philly
looks like they are otw to 1-9
onyx shore
i think australia should use OWWC 2016 lineup
put muselk as captain,at least that would get views
tight vault
make australia win
fresh turret
shanghai breaking my heart once fucking again
I'd love it if I could still settle for "they seem to be improving each match", but that just won't do
onyx shore
told ya,it won't be a surprise if they go 0-40 this season
another factor is,other mid to bottom tier teams (except fuel) already improved so much since season 1
especially mayhem and shock
fresh turret
yeah but I'd love it if Dragons would make up their mind and wouldn't "make every set look close" (althuogh really it's me just being hopeful
)
silk linden
what does this gesture mean? http://cfile6.uf.tistory.com/image/998E6A505AE57D3C0F0D69
vestal mortar
Yeah It's a tiny heart!
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granite anvil
so if boston loses to either LA team next week then NYXL gets #1 seed, unless they somehow lose to dallas or shanghai
i’m hoping gladiators can beat boston
warped axle
I love Glad but I kind of want the 10-0 to happen
silk linden
boston to miss the 10-0 by losing to shanghai
torpid charm
tight vault
nerf shanghai
white axle
😐
tight vault
buff shanghai
warped axle
torpid charm
hazy arrow
as if they need nerf...
devout birch
Hey guys, havent followed the scene at all. I remember back during the first world cup the koreans wiped everyone. How are the non-koreans doing in general
tight vault
still pretteh good
fresh turret
non-koreans have been looking nice, lately they've been even great
tight vault
except china
fresh turret
doesn't count
tight vault
whats china
fresh turret
numba 1
warped axle
Taiwan numba 1
deft valley
china numba 12
inner shuttle
warped axle
royal ore
tight vault
im ready for Saudi Arabia to win the World Cup
vestal berry
are there any games today?
warped axle
The next games are Wednesday May 2nd
charred spruce
!tracer
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onyx shore
!tracer
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@onyx shore, I've sent you a DM with all my commands!
onyx shore
@tight vault saudi can't won with male only heroes though
stable haven
!tracer
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warped axle
!tracer
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left spoke
!tracer
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frosty anvil
!tracer
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sullen berry
!standings
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W L MP MAP W-L-T
1 
New York Excelsior 25 3 28 91-29-2
2 
Boston Uprising 20 8 28 73-49-1
3 
London Spitfire 18 10 28 78-43-1
4 
Seoul Dynasty 18 10 28 66-50-3
5 
Los Angeles Valiant 17 11 28 67-46-5
6 
Philadelphia Fusion 17 11 28 66-58-1
7 
Houston Outlaws 16 12 28 70-52-1
8 
Los Angeles Gladiators 15 13 28 62-58-1
9 
San Francisco Shock 10 18 28 47-66-3
10 
Dallas Fuel 6 22 28 35-76-6
11 
Florida Mayhem 6 22 28 35-79-3
12 
Shanghai Dragons 0 28 28 15-99-1
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sullen berry
fusion in between the top vs borderline competent teams of stage 3
I didn't expect to see the middle 4 teams in the standings like this to be honest
shows how much the meta and established teams are hanging by threads to make it up or drop down the ladder
paper crag
So far, Fuel has shown “getting our shit together” phase every stage during the first weeks
I feel like stage 4 won’t even have that
The Fuel classic “getting our shit together” fakeout phase is one of the reasons why SHD doesn’t have a win despite being good enough to beat them
Because they always played fairly early on during the previous stages iirc
I think they play again in the first week of stage 4, but i think SHD victory is a very very real possibility
sullen berry
at the later weeks, you can see fuel can't take a series - but then they can take a map instead or draw out 2-1
assumpstions aside, they haven't had the best schedules - despite getting the weakest teams out of the way
patiently waiting for watchpoint within the next 24 hours
onyx shore
look at their score each stage
stage 1 : 3-7
stage 2 : 2-8
stage 3 : 1-7 (so far)
their last two matches will be against philly and boston,which means they got 90% chance going 1-9 this stage
as for SHD
i dont think they can win against fuel
fuel plays badly,but they can coordinate
sullen berry
a theoretical 0-10 would have to result in mickey being benched for seagull as off tank
onyx shore
meanwhile SHD now on paper is stronger than fuel,but lacks coordination
sullen berry
monte put it best: their tank and supports literally do not speak the same language 
it's really down to the cross-language/borderline english comms in dps and the trickle down synergy they can make between their supports and tanks
because their simplistic dive might be capable of screwing teams around
were it not for the fact playing Geguri's zarya is a bit of a lethal weapon they're holding back on clincher maps
potent crystal
supple prism
2? or 3?
onyx shore
playing geguri on zarya is suicidal
because you gonna put MG on dva,and that will be a disaster
it's either 2 or 3 languages
sullen berry
3 = Korean, Chinese, English via in-game terms/names
onyx shore
well,using english should be the most effective because you can unite 1 team under 1 language
the problem is re-training everyone to use english will take a long time
teaching mandarin to koreans make more sense,but learning mandarin is waaaaayyy harder than english
sullen berry
they are working it out
so it's not a matter of efficiency to get a full understanding of the chinese language
onyx shore
going full korean is out,chinese company won't do that
sullen berry
but it's definitely as hard as when rascal was shot calling in english
torpid charm
@sullen berry that mood board is hella accurate
sullen berry
I don't usually step onto tumblr, but that was a rare find
torpid charm
omg wait I didn't even realize Dallas has only won one game
they're really about to go 1-9 this stage, that's crazy
onyx shore
the only team weaker than fuel is shanghai
shock,mayhem,and glads already surpassed them
torpid charm
mind = blown
visual walrus
wonder if the d.va balancing is enough to maybe see other comps in stage 4. the current default mercy/dva line-up is a big resident sleeper.
lime bridge
Soooooooo about the the Overwatch Wold Cup Ladder. Are those results definitive ?
Because phase 1 starts tomorrow If i'm not mistaken
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deft valley
yes, the world cup ladder has been locked at s9 end
vestal berry
I hope shanghai can play brig
frank grove
I hope shanghai will win against dallas fuel
slim summit
depends on if Dallas figures out how to not be shit again
it seems like every few weeks they switch between total dogshit and "wow we just took NYXL to map 5"
rugged frigate
hi
pearl stratus
Eh, Dallas will have Effect back by Stage 4 which means they won't be the dumpster fire tier since he can hard carry their 5 other shitty people.
But it depends on if they're still thinking playing EnvyUS people helps (which it doesn't).
vagrant jacinth
Anyone else felt like dragons could've beaten philly?
slim summit
this isn't the first time Shanghai took Philly to a map 5
Stage 1, week 3
they beat NYXL on Thursday and went 3-2 against Shanghai on Friday
pearl stratus
@vagrant jacinth They arguably only lost Philly because of a bad job getting back on point on Nepal.
Literally that one mistake was what cost the game.
People may need to pretend it was something else like 'SHANGHAI SO BAD'
But it was just a mistake.
There's a reason that there was one person who clapped for Philly when they won, because the probably shouldn't have and the audience noted it.
Also this is fitting for most of the people who tend to be in this channel whining:
vagrant jacinth
I'm sick of people saying that they're bad too
They have improved since stage 1
They just make a few mistakes
pearl stratus
I mean no one from Stage 1 plays anymore except Freefeel and Altering.
And you can easily see how much improved Altering is.
vagrant jacinth
Yeah, I agree
pearl stratus
Freefeel is still hit or miss, but he's in a Chipshajen situation.
Chips looked like garbage all of Stage 2 because his tanks would abandon him. He'd not position well, and just get counter dove.
Rawkus has the same issue, honestly.
Freefeel mostly just has really questionable ults, which needs to be improved. I think they also just need to work Sky in more.
Also Ado's genji stats are bananas.
He's going to be more dangerous as he grows.
Genji + Tracer is a crazy combination of things to play at a high level.
vagrant jacinth
Ado is nuts on Genji
limber pine
!schedule
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limber pine
This week's gonna be so good
nobody has an easy way into the playoffs
that hasn't made it yet
vagrant jacinth
fusion or fuel?
limber pine
LAG has just a little bit of wiggle room. They could lose a game and still make the playoffs since they're map diff is good
!schedule LAG
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No such team 'LAG', for full teams list please type !teams
limber pine
!teams
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limber pine
!schedule GLA
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limber pine
yeah
hazy arrow
!schedule DAL
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torpid charm
two hot Ls
hazy arrow
2 ez wins before we face almighty mighty Shanghai Dragons
torpid charm
if Dallas wins no games next stage, ooooooh booooy
hazy arrow
we still play Shanghai
so theres a chance
and maybe other teams will feel sorry for us and let us win too
pearl stratus
They just need to fire the old EnvyUS before Season 2
And remake the team.
Then they'll be good to go.
silk linden
They can keep Mickie
And maybeeee chips
Both as bench players
Oh and Harry can stay, as a starter
Cocco and Taimou can go
I'd sign a new flex dps, and then contemplate releasing one of akm and seagull
pearl stratus
Keep Seagull for your D'va, or Hanzo post patch. He'll have a decent spot. Harry is too meh, imo.
silk linden
Seagull is valuable, if they know how to use him
Depends on the new coach
But i think he should ideally go back to dps if they ideally get a new off tank
pearl stratus
Unfortunately I don't forsee many players actively wanting to go to Dallas, so they may be stuck for a while.
lilac atlas
Is Effect considered a hitscan or flex dps?
silk linden
Next season it's all reset, hopefully
silk linden
Effect is a tracer specialist that can play other hitscan
pearl stratus
And some projectile.
silk linden
Required hero pools change in a weird way from meta to meta
pearl stratus
Meta to meta and map to map.
silk linden
It used to be that McCree + Soldier would make you good for a team
But now you need to know either tracer or Genji
Or be a god widow at least
In the long run it's gonna be the players with the biggest pools that'll dominate I think
That's why I see the likes of Sinatraa, linkzr and hydration actually having a bright future ahead
Also kudos to surefour for adapting well too
I wish seagull wasn't considered a "customizable specialist" and more of a jack of all trades
But I guess he knows himself more than I do
lilac atlas
Yeah but he is so flexible. Jake is a jack of all trades.
He can play alot of heroes at a decent tier. But can never play at OWL tier
pearl stratus
Jake has shown he can grind a hero out relatively quickly though.
Look at Stage 2 Jake Tracer and Stage 3 Jake Tracer.
silk linden
He can get to a good enough level fast enough for his big brain to do the rest
pearl stratus
Stage 3 Jake Tracer is pretty legit all in all. Is he Striker level? God no.
But he's been solid on killing supports and being sneaky.
You can see where his friendship with SBB comes in, because he is very good at mimicking SBB's playstyle of Tracer.
silk linden
He can get away with having less mechanical skills, and also I think he has the right mentality to pick up new heroes
Yeah, harassing the backline
pearl stratus
I argue the same for Jakes Genji. It's not insane, but its good. And he ults usually very well.
So many wrong people thinking Sado is playing this week.
hazy arrow
I think Harryhook should definitely stay, very likely to be a starter. Mickie should stay as a sub. Chips, Cocco and Taimou will have chance to shine in stage 4 and they can prove themselves
nova pelican
old envyus just isn't good enough for owl
cosmic gyro
Ado got tea bagged LoL
torpid charm
silk linden
so rude
red anvil
we'll see if cocco will play in stage 4 or not, it was a odd coincidence that he started playing the moment effect wouldn't
silk linden
it's a coincidence in the sense that with effect gone, they know they're done, so they might as well experiment
basically effect decided to end their season
pearl stratus
I mean Hastr0 decided it before Effect left.
Lets be fair.
I also wouldn't bet that with Effect gone OGE probably doesn't mind not playing that much since the rest of them are such a shit show.
It's no coincidence that Hulk, Tailspin and now Custa has said they're lazy and rely on past accomplishments more than leadership and hard work.
silk linden
drama? or nahma?
limber pine
nobody knows
a couple people suspect he's been bought out by a Season 2 OWL team
via the O.W.
tight vault
australia
limber pine
is Bearhands australian
wary iris
With a name like that I'd think so
pearl stratus
I hadn't watched the Seoul NYXL game.
I probably should turn it off at work.
It's NSFW due to the sheer amount of rape being portrayed.
torpid charm
rare sonnet
J LUL K E is just a shit surefour that can play junkrat
silk linden
jake is in no way comparable to surefour
he's like, miles behind skill wise
geguri got a haircut
torpid charm
loml
verbal roost
@silk linden yes dyed tips 😄
silk linden
nova pelican
the zarya cut
vestal mortar
I am pretty sure she's only played DVa
silk linden
is there a site to look up this stuff
winstonslab?
k, on winstonslab she is listed with having played only dva and orisa
vestal mortar
👌
silk linden
girl tanks only
hazy arrow
Is new Comp Season up?
Im wondering what pros has to say about Bridgette
and also how tank mains feel
silk linden
in 40 minutes
also, the early impressions aren't gonna be the most truthful ones, even from the pros
but I think everyone agrees her shield bash needs nerfing
at least a longer cooldown
verbal roost
although... her shield bash makes her fun to play 😮
silk linden
not fun to play against
verbal roost
true
silk linden
needs some tuning
verbal roost
maybe shorter stun
silk linden
for one it's not in line with the other stuns
flashbang: blocked by barriers
sleep dart: hard to pull off
freeze: takes time to take
hook: not too easy to pull off
shield bash: 4 seconds cooldown, works through barriers, can walk up to people and do it because you have a shield up
verbal roost
4.5 second cooldown maybe 😮
verbal roost
maybe if brigitte had more heals
silk linden
as it is it feels like she's entirely based around the stun
and that sucks why would you make a character like that
verbal roost
maybe nerf shield bash and change heals to 2 weaker charges or something like tracer's blink? idk
pearl stratus
It's completely pointless to compare Flash Bang to Shield Bash though.
Just throwing that out there.
silk linden
it's not completely pointless
pearl stratus
The character they're attached to is completely different, so it is.
Similar mechanics delivered from multiple sources needed to be adjusted on an individual level.
silk linden
it's not completely pointless
pearl stratus
It's the dallas fuel of comparisons.
silk linden
we're still talking about abilites that render a player completely helpess for a few moments
and one is considerably easier to pull off than the other, with less drawbacks
sure Brigitte can't two headshot you right after, but a stun is a stun
pearl stratus
And one is attached to a, unless you're balls at aiming, an instant 250+ damage.
pearl stratus
It is. And in a 6v6 we should also point out flashbang is an aoe.
And can stun multiple targets.
silk linden
yes, but it still doesn't stun through barriers and has more than twice the cooldown
it's the cooldown that pisses me off, it's unjustifiable
supple prism
Stuns above shields
silk linden
with other stuns you can bait them, avoid them, then attack them while they're on CD
with shield bash you bait, avoid, attack, and they get their CD back while they're fighting you
the window is too short
pearl stratus
I mean yeah. But I would argue that unless you're a Reinhardt your need to stay that close to Brigitte is relatively stupid.
silk linden
it's literally impossible to engage a brigitte and not be stunned
pearl stratus
Because any comp you'd play into a brigitte wouldn't need to maintain that distance.
I mean if you want to argue people who are dumb as fuck.
They're countered by anything with an IQ over 70.
pearl stratus
I say with the exception of your tanks you don't need to.
silk linden
ffs just her mere existence makes it impossible to approach
pearl stratus
Are you playing a Genji into a Brigitte?
Then you're a moron.
Shield Bash isn't your punishment then.
You being horrible is.
supple prism
Is brigs bash CD short? Sure. Is she OP? No.
pearl stratus
Now you're not going to Pharmercy into her every situation, but we'll see it a lot more against her.
You'll also see D'va Tires.
Well I assume you'll see D'va Tires.
Since it makes sense.
Because with the new speed you'll protect it to wipe out a chunk of people.
forest wharf
pearl stratus
Probably has no clue. There's all of 15 people left who even care about the DK thing.
pearl stratus
Pepe Avatars should just be euthanasia material.
supple prism
With how easy it is to get through reins and even Orisas shield, it's not gonna be hard to get through brigs
deft valley
Imagine being this upset about pictures
pearl stratus
We won't know till its being played by more pros.
Most of whom haven't even touched her.
silk linden
well bashing a brigitte is like hooking a hog
don't really wanna be the first one to do it
pearl stratus
He means more just bursting.
silk linden
it's usually the second one who wins
pearl stratus
600 HP isn't a huge health pool to deal with with some coordination or a discord.
silk linden
I agree
pearl stratus
And we're going to see a ton of Pharah either way.
Since she negates Brigitte and her ult, if you can keep her alive.
Rockets give no fucks about Armor.
pearl stratus
I honestly just think I wouldn't tweak her.
I'd tweak Rein.
He shouldn't be stunnable through his shield.
That'd be how I balance it.
By giving Rein a little love.
silk linden
we'll never agree on the shield bash. 5 seconds cooldown is broken
the no stun through shield I could agree with
though like, how do you implement it
pearl stratus
By making the shield a tangible wall, like it should be.
silk linden
make it so shielding rein is like a halting brigitte? too op
supple prism
I would say it's only broken in the way that it let's her close in so quick and easy
silk linden
nah people need to be able to walk through
pearl stratus
I mean more for the game mechanic. Shield meets shield, why can two shields of the same material co-exist on the same plane.
They'd arguably, since they're the same general matter, conflict when in the same space.
pearl stratus
Just saying its how you make it work.
stuck agate
can bridgette shield bash through zaryas bubbles?
pearl stratus
No. Bubbles are a full CC immunity.
silk linden
so what happens to placed shields
bubbles make you immune to everything
except I think graviton surges
supple prism
Even tracers bombs
pearl stratus
The only other thing I can agree with is that Rally should decay. Slower than Lucios Ult, but it should still go away.
It's got really awkward snowball potential depending on enemy team comp
Like you can't avoid running a D'va, but D'va does jack shit to armored targets. So it basically removes her from the game.
silk linden
especially with heroes that have innate shields, since armor goes under that
winston can't kill shit
pearl stratus
Winston, D'va, Tracer to some extent (more noticeable against shield heroes, and can still be outplayed)
supple prism
They should swap the effects of rally armor and her heal that grants armor on over heal
silk linden
?
supple prism
The decay
supple prism
Then adjust durations and limits
pearl stratus
Eh with the cooldown on it it would make more sense than current rally.
supple prism
Give a player limit to it
pearl stratus
It's what an 8 second cooldown, assume a team fight every roughly 30 seconds or so. Means you could armor 3 people between team fights, then would need to hold the additional one for the actual team fight
supple prism
What's the decay on the E anyway?
silk linden
like equivalent to the cooldown I think
supple prism
What ever you wanna call it
paper crag
I feel like Blizz can literally make Rein only immune to Brigitte bash if they wanted to
Doesn’t that heavy talon guy in retribution have selective immunity against certain CC’s?
I feel like the mechanics are there if it ever comes down to making rein immune to brigitte bash for the time being while blizz figures out a more optimal balance
whole sun
If the shield bash can counter rein hes basicly more dead
slim summit
the heavy has immunity to knockback
but is still stunned and stuff
IDK if he can be slept
warped axle
TF2 had different weight classes for all 9 classes
It affected the knockback they all received
Blizzard should do that too
jagged crater
prob trying to keep things simple
blizz might not be comfortable with mixing up resistance, it's all or nothin
warped axle
Reinhardt should not be pushed around as much as Tracer
It's not that difficult of a concept
coarse willow
holy fucking ass
i just remembered why i hate overwatch competitive so much
i just got fucking steamrolled 5 games in a row because my teammates didnt know what team comp was or were too stubborn to switch
silk linden
Twitter
slim summit
oof
verbal roost
@coarse willow grats
low ocean
Hi
torpid charm
honestly
pearl stratus
I could see them dropping a map or two to Dallas with their current play.
limber pine
map score couple be pretty important, as we could have a bunch of teams at 5-5
and 6-4
torpid charm
man I cannot wait for this stage to be done
warped axle
I could see them dropping a map or two to Dallas with their current play.
Have you seen Dallas lately
silk linden
Yeah but Philly went map 5 to Shanghai
warped axle
If Dallas at their best couldn't take one game off Philly, Dallas at their worst certainly aren't
Shanghai is better than Dallas rn
torpid charm
Philly went to map 5 with Shanghai before so I feel like it was bound to happen again
slim summit
Philly goes to map 5 with everyone
it's like they play at the exact same skill level as their opponents and it's a coin toss as to which team wins the tiebreaker
pearl stratus
I know how bad Dallas is right now.
I also understand just how shitty Philly is playing right now.
Since their loss to NYXL on that double reverse sweep they've played only one map well.
They only do well on Oasis, really.
Everything else is a crap shoot
slim summit
any chance Oasis is the tiebreaker for next season?
oh, wait, it's the tiebreaker for this ****stage
torpid charm
no
warped axle
It's Nepal that'll be the tiebreaker
torpid charm
^^^
slim summit
I really like Lijiang but I think Nepal is my favorite Control map
torpid charm
I miss Lijiang
warped axle
Stage 4 is going to be weird. It has some great maps in its pool like Dorado, Kings Row and Lijiang, and then bad maps like Blizzard World, Horizon, and Hanamura
I miss Eichenwalde
torpid charm
I love Hanamura
pearl stratus
It will be
So this stages Blizzard World will be completely different from last Stage Blizzard World.
Which makes it interesting in and of itself.
slim summit
no chance for updated HLC though of course
pearl stratus
HLC wasn't even supposed to be on the PTR lol
They fucked up and just ran with it.
slim summit
I'm just glad they're addressing it
pearl stratus
I'll watch Numbani for seventeen years before more HLC.
Calling it now - HLC is going to be 0:3:3 deathball melees that take forever in OWL.
Rein, D'va, Zarya, Brigitte, Lucio, Moira.
Whoever gets Grav + Moira ult first wins.
slim summit
Numbani is my favorite map 😃
limber pine
I liked Blizz World because the pros hadn't been on it yet
it was interesting to see the meta develop
silk linden
i'd argue it's still developing
also it was incredible how many failed point B pushes ended almost exactly where the new point B is
limber pine
oh sure no doubt it's still developing
i'm just saying it's interesting to see it start from nothing
slim summit
We had that with HLC too, didn't we?
I guess that was several months before preseason
I'm just reminiscing about the Spitfire Sombra 2-tick backcap
and defense Mei
scarlet spear
i wouldnt mind watching blizzard world on OWL if it wasnt the retarded fuckin 2CP version of the game
the spawn right in front of finishing point B is so dumb
limber pine
slim summit
I'm very much looking forward to tomorrow
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
slim summit
the Sunday-Tuesday stretch with no OWL has me fiending
I guess the best match will probably be Outlaws v Shock
but I enjoy watching Fuel get stomped too
torpid charm
I be chilling when there's no OWL, I'm not as distracted and a lot of my favs stream so I get my "fix"
slim summit
Watching Emongg play Brigitte today has been pretty funny
tight vault
shanghai will win stage 4
slim summit
If you said that 5 months ago
it would have seemed vastly more likely than Boston winning Stage 3
tight vault
will Bostin win the finals
deft silo
--------------
Who likes statistics? I like statistics. This week is the final week of Stage 3 for Overwatch League. You want to know if your favorite team is gonna make playoffs for this stage?
Boston Uprising and New York Excelsior are 100% going to be in Stage 3 Playoffs. No amount of screwups can stop them. Currently, LA Valiant and LA Gladiators are in seed 3 and 4, but they can be taken out. How can they be taken out?
For LA Valiant, they have to lose both matches this week (vs BOS and PHI). This allows Houston Outlaws, Philadelphia Fusion, and Seoul Dynasty to come in for the spot.
For HOU, VAL has to lose 3-5 or worse for them to have a chance.
For PHI, VAL has to lose 2-6 or worse.
For SEO, VAL has to lose 0-8.
For LA Gladiators, they have to lose one match (vs FLA or BOS) or worse. This allows the already mentioned teams, San Francisco Shock and London Spitfire to clench the final playoff spot.
For HOU, GLA has to at least lose once with the total map count being 5-3 or worse.
For PHI, GLA has to at least lose once with the total map count being 6-2 or worse.
For SEO, GLA has to at least lose once with the total map count being 4-4 or worse.
For SFS, GLA has to at least lose once with the total map count being 3-6 or worse.
For LDN, GLA has to lose twice with the total map count being 3-4 or worse.
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slim summit
it's possible
tight vault
what if Shanghai's first win is against New York
silk linden
what if I get a big tiddy goth gf
tight vault
i have a feeling shanghai's first win will be against Dallas
silk linden
we all do
I mean, they are the worst team in the league, so they are the easiest target
torpid charm
sometimes
torpid charm
waxen rampart
aid chat
aid players
tight vault
aid jeff kaplan
torpid charm
aid actors
silk linden
Aid chat
torpid charm
pearl stratus
If Philly had Paid chat.
I feel like more than one person would have clapped when they won.
.>
tight vault
i clapped
silk linden
Boo
tight vault
when florida won
strong crescent
nye vs shd in 3 days
can't wait for all the "brutal rape" reports in the news 4 days from now
tight vault
bill cos
deft valley
lat
ilver
gentle jackal
oi
torpid charm
y'all need to top
tight vault
oi
torpid charm
lease
deft valley
itch lease
torpid charm
y ad
warped axle
tight vault
oe
tawny sigil
Did carpe got fined for tea bagging geguri?
There is obviouly article being writen about it being sexual assault
Hopefully the league wont sink that low
torpid charm
no
tawny sigil
Good
broken fog
um..
I saw the group pool of OWC 2018...
I meant group stage
did they changed the rule?
echo zinc
so soeul and london making to top 4 is unlikely?
brisk roost
Yep
echo zinc
will next stage get brigitte?
onyx shore
yeah
vestal berry
what about storm arrows?
twin swan
So, question: is anyone else a data/spreadsheet junky like me? I've made a spreadsheet looking at Stage 3 to look at team performance via a couple of metrics (basically win/loss, points per map, and a rating system that is used in international cricket). https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s52ONjz_9qNbR6OtcNDkI0neZplwo-Stg5WC0gx76lQ/edit?usp=sharing Still populating some Stage 3 results so there will be some div0 errors.
slim summit
@twin swan I have good news for you!
this likely will make it much much easier to populate your data
i manually scraped the results of the first two stages before I found it
I was playing with data some -- implemented elo just for funsies
haven't kept it up to date, however
I've been writing a script now (been sidetracked hard over the past four days or so) to show which teams have been eliminated from title matches / grand finals contention & show the 'most likely' path to victory for teams
to kinda say things like, "if Team A wants to make it to the title matches, Team B has to lose to Team C with a map differential of 3"
twin swan
Ah, cool
Although I'm not a coder so I'll have to convert the data into something I can use
slim summit
yeah, it's non-trivial and the structure is kinda strange
if you'd like, I can try to cut it into .csv so you can paste it in?
twin swan
That would be useful, thanks.
I've finished with the Stage 3 data anyway
Was debating how much impact Stages 1 & 2 would have on this, but I guess we'll see how accurate my predictions are if Fusion/Gladiators/Shock win on Wednesday
slim summit
Yeah ... this stage has really upended things
twin swan
the semi/final stuff is also based on the current standings rather than including the predicted games, so I'll need to change that too
slim summit
the meta hasn't shifted all that dramatically -- stage 1 to stage 2 was a bigger shift -- but the standings have gone crazy
twin swan
And also work out what to do to handle drawn maps
slim summit
@twin swan https://json-csv.com/c/C5Ah this should do the ticket
twin swan
That'll give me the match details at least, but I've been loading in individual map scores too
twin swan
Yeah, I felt that the W/L stuff didn't really reflect how close games were
slim summit
yeah, true
i'll add some rows for that too in just a sec
it's sort of a hard problem to solve even with that data, I think
twin swan
Like, Boston is ranked 1 with 8-0, but with my rating stuff they're actually second behind Valiant
slim summit
because a 3-0 and a 1-0 can equally be stomps
twin swan
Aye
slim summit
just depending on who attacks & defends first
slim summit
the easiest heuristic I can think of is using time data
which I think this api includes
twin swan
Although currently 3-0 & 1-0 on a map results in the same 100% map rating
slim summit
otherwise you'd have to figure out which team attacks first
twin swan
vs a 3-2 being 60/40
twin swan
Yeah
Spitfire got 1-0 over Shock on Numbani last week
So it was either Spitfire got the payload but no further, then full held Shock, or they full held Shock & got the point
twin swan
Other results like 4:3 on Blizzard World between Dragons/Fusion are interesting too
slim summit
but I suppose in the latter case it could be pretty close too
with Spitfire full holding & then barely capping that first tick in OT
or worse, with Shock hypothetically capping 99.9% and failing
slim summit
I heard WinstonsLab does some premium data stuff I intend to look into but I think it's just player stats
@twin swan https://json-csv.com/c/1RTX
will have to do a find & replace on the maps 😛
slim summit
BTW, the away team is listed on the left hand side and the home team is listed on the right hand side
twin swan
Find/replace should be easy enough
slim summit
but I think the data only ever refers to either as 'team1' or 'team2' within the map scores
twin swan
Yeah
slim summit
so my labels are just, well, mine
twin swan
I'll compare stage 3 stuff to see how it goes
slim summit
sweet!
twin swan
Maybe on the weekend while I'm watching games
slim summit
let me know what you get, especially if it's a fairly accurate predictor
like I'd be thrilled with ~70% accuracy 😛
i've been writing my path-to-victory script such that it's highly decoupled from the predictive model (in this case, elo)
so that i can swap it around with stuff I've found that's better
twin swan
I think I'm fairly safe with the Fusion beating Fuel, and Gladiators over Mayhem
slim summit
there was a guy posting on the /r/COW sub, let me find his name: isparavanje
who seems to be developing his own predictive model
and i'd love to plug that into my script eventually 😄
twin swan
but Shock over Outlaws might be a bit narrower
slim summit
yeah
since the uhhhh map wins / losses are discrete contests
a model that gives the probability of a series win could also give the probabilities of different map outcomes
very straightforward
so you could end up predicting there's a 75% chance of a map 5 for instance
or a 10% chance of a 4-0 and a 1% chance of an 0-4
twin swan
Could get down to a per map basis
like, Gladiators vs Uprising on Volskaya would be interesting are they're both 4-0 on it
slim summit
yeahhhhh, I'd love to factor that in to a model but that would put me officially way out of my depth
twin swan
but the same match up on Route 66 is completely uneven with Valiant 2-0 and Uprising 0-3
slim summit
history on a per-map basis would be good, and starting rosters / players in the match would also be good
twin swan
That's probably getting into db level stuff
slim summit
but IDK if anybody has that data and I'm not about to rewatch the entire OWL to write down subs
twin swan
and not something I can do easily in a spreadsheet 😛
slim summit
maps & players generally correspond
but I think people would like to see how much Effect going to Korea affects odds or something
there would be some flaws, though, as many players receive next to no playtime if they aren't on the starting string
like Mistakes came out of nowhere after DreamKazper was dropped and they beat NYXL
no way in hell could the data have shown anything remotely like that
that /r/COW guy I mentioned has his model factor in the week's teams
so if Team A plays against an easy team and a hard team, they're given better odds against the hard team and worse odds against the easier team
because the assumption is that it's who they've prepared for
twin swan
Possibly
slim summit
but IMO that's cutting it very close to punditry and I wouldn't trust it unless it were proven in the data
twin swan
Indeed
slim summit
anywho, cool project
keep me posted
& i'm happy to scrape some more of this data out if you want
it has the upcoming matchups & maps listed too
ones that haven't been played yet
and it specifies whether a map is a title match which might be useful
supple prism
hope boston can win the next two matchs just to shove it in NYXLs face
fresh turret
Me too
But lmao there are gonna be those tards who argue "that team's 10-0 what's even the point of competing if there's one OP team ecksdee?"
supple prism
Wonder what patch the next stage will be at
fresh turret
I think they're gonna patch Rialto and the new Hanzo in before next stage, although Rialto probably won't be in the map pool
silk linden
New BlizzardWorld point B pogchamp
scarlet spear
torn venture
fresh turret
have WC teams been announced?
gritty cedar
silk linden
@fresh turret we're still at the voting phase for the recruiters
onyx shore
vote stylosa pls
silk linden
Stylosa is probably a decent recruiter
I'm actually super curious what the Korean team will be
How do you justify leaving out so many of them
Mano or Gesture?
SBB or profit?
Pine, Libero, Fleta?
If they don't bring Jjonak and Ark they're dumb
I'd honestly just bring NYXL, but there's so many good players
Fuck, even Carpe and Striker
Should you value synergy or raw quality?
Is there a player you could add to a NYXL core to improve it? I honestly don't think so
Team USA gonna be lit, with the Houston + SanFran merge
Canada too
France gonna be old rogue + Poko
Spain with Harryhook likely on dps
sullen berry
@silk linden SK coach will be interested in new faces mixed in with vets (if only it were wizardhyeong at the helm, probs too busy)
there's no way I can't see them including JJonak
at the same time, I'm disappointed if another round of players in the UK aren't OWL material during the World Cup
I probably won't be encouraged to stay up at 4am for the international schedules in the US
Korea stage timezones will be great 🔥
scarlet spear
not like theres much current OWL material to choose from
best you can get is boombox and then some good contender players from UK
who can you get? boombox, kruise, kyb, christfer, MickeyA, Numlocked (totally forgot he even exists), FunnyAstro and smex
not the worst, but theres better talent from other countries
torpid charm
I see Numlocked on the Inside Val videos and I'm like "who the hell is this???" he's Benchlocked
molten skiff
i really hope SK gets to play with their home uniform in this year's WC
tight vault
Saudia Arabia will win Overwatch worldcup
deft valley
they can't tho
were they even on the pre-selection list
tight vault
austria is in the cup but saudi arabia isn't this is bullshit
tight vault
chinese taipai
deft valley
china numba 2?
tight vault
hong kong
tight vault
North Korea will win world cup
warped axle
I bet Kim Jong Un is a Hanzo main
onyx shore
@silk linden SK is probably NYXL core + pine/carpe/fleta
US is probably mix between shock and outlaws
austria has kabaji,but iirc he doesnt want to play in the world cup?
just like dafran
tight vault
Australia
silk linden
@deft valley https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/8gfy3y/overwatch_is_being_unfair_in_owwc2018
Saudi should get in over Brazil
Only losing Brazil would lose them the south American market
It's a conspiracy
keen warren
by about 14 SR oof
tight vault
14 sr
onyx shore
i'll take brazil over saudi
tight vault
what if South Korea loses this year
tight vault
dungoofed
gaunt acorn
onyx shore
if they can beat usa,the trophy is pretty much theirs
gaunt acorn
usa isn't winning
onyx shore
i dont think sweden and finland can do anything
tight vault
Australia will win
onyx shore
yeah,canada also got a chance
tight vault
who cares about Canada
gaunt acorn
+NotE will be good
onyx shore
the only way australia to win is if they captained muselk
tight vault
90 percent of people don't know what Canada is
torpid charm
silk linden
I'll settle for Italy not arriving dead last in the group
Though that's not super likely
gaunt acorn
did italy even qualify
tight vault
the teams that did the worst last time werem Vietnam,Austria and ITaly
onyx shore
i'm kinda sad israel not qualified
keen warren
0-12 , didn't even make it to the Top 16 to make it to blizzcon
tight vault
once again my home country didn't qualify 😦
onyx shore
me neither
tight vault
will Ireland ever do good 😛
keen warren
Yes that well known OW nation of the Republic of Ireland
onyx shore
yeah,only thailand
tight vault
Saudi Arabia is being screwed
limber pine
Saudi Arabia is potentially being screwed
limber pine
@onyx shore don't say things like that
onyx shore
okay,sorry dude
onyx shore
as for japan,pc gaming isn't that big there
on side note,they probably pick thailand because of mickie
tight vault
why is the world cup only doing the top 24 this year
onyx shore
afaik,thailand isn't that big on gaming,philipines and indonesia are bigger in terms of gamers
silk linden
@gaunt acorn yeah Italy was like 12th or something
The France group is hard though
France, Germany, UK, Poland, Spain...
Actually no Spain, Netherlands
Marginally better
tight vault
poland.....
silk linden
Still, Italy's probably worse than all of those
onyx shore
i wonder how they would schedule the thailand qualifiers broadcast
tight vault
Italy can't win cause they will switch sides and betray themselves
silk linden
Italy cannot into esports
onyx shore
oh boy,germany is in the same group as poland
silk linden
Because shitty internet infrastructure
onyx shore
expect twitch chat to be as polite as possible
silk linden
We only win at games that aren't influenced by latency, like Pokemon or Magic The Gathering
silk linden
Also we have sunny coasts and beautiful mountains so no one stays inside to play games like in Scandinavia
tight vault
France can't win cause they will surrender
deft valley
imagine being this american
silk linden
France have so many things to be made fun of, cowardice isn't even the most relevant one
tight vault
i'm irish
silk linden
Make fun of them for being self important and snobby
onyx shore
only soon and unkoe playing on the highest level
deft valley
and smelling
onyx shore
the other 4...welll....
silk linden
@onyx shore poko
deft valley
why wouldn't they take poko
silk linden
Says you
tight vault
how long till Vatican City is in the World Cup
silk linden
Add knoxxx and all you need is a support that isn't winz
keen warren
Unless the Pope is a Top 500 DPS main I doubt that
onyx shore
you can't,the only way to be vatican city nationals is for the pope to give you that,and he can revoke that
silk linden
The Vatican choose not to participate in any international event
onyx shore
to get citizenship,you must work for him,so unless they gonna send team full of cardinals,i dont see their chance playing
silk linden
They consider themselves external observers to the congregation of Nations
San Marino on the other hand
tight vault
how long till lichtenstein is in the world cup?
onyx shore
btw
silk linden
What's the smallest country population wise to participate?
onyx shore
who's gonna be group A runner up?
silk linden
Finland?
onyx shore
finland or russia?
onyx shore
group a : SK,finland/russia
group b : usa,canada
group c : sweden, ????
group d : france,uk
silk linden
Norway is 5.2 millions
P small
Yeah it's them
Denmark, Finland and Hong Kong only slightly bigger
tight vault
is Hong Kong it's own country?
silk linden
Kinda sorta not really
silk linden
They usually are when sporting events are concerned
tight vault
don't they want to be their own country or something
silk linden
Well China has to let them first
They're content with the current situation as long as China let them be
Since they function in a very different way from mainland China
keen warren
@tight vault Currently a Special Adminstrative Region, They are their own country but their political leaders are heavily "Vetted" by the mainland
Hence previous protests
tight vault
ok
silk linden
Taiwan is a totally different situation
Everyone in the world agrees they're their own country, but China
Who has no actual power over them, just a claim
So, in order not to piss off China, they're referred to as "Chinese Taipei" in sporting events and aren't allowed to wave their own flag
keen warren
literally Chyna Numbah one vs Taiwan Numbah One
tight vault
UK and Germany
keen warren
Nah, Taiwan's playing in Korea, China's playing in Thailand
silk linden
UK and Germany is nothing compared to Germany and Poland
tight vault
Sweden and Denmark
silk linden
Sweden and Denmark is just basically a bicker between siblings
Germany and Poland is visceral
tight vault
Swe(Den) vs Den(Mark)
keen warren
So is Russia vs Finland
keen warren
But but muh France vs Italy rivalry
tight vault
Netherlands is kind of just their
silk linden
Not much of a rivalry, we're good they suck
toxic yacht
silk linden
We hate them as much as any other European
tight vault
everyone hates Germany
silk linden
Italy dislikes Germany but respects them, while Germany likes Italy but doesn't respect them
hallow cipher
I kind of want to see the skins from the world cup make an appearence too
tight vault
watch Poland win the world cup
keen warren
Well if they do ESL One Katowice gonna have an OW event
tight vault
what wrong with ESL
onyx shore
just google "ESL controversy dota2,false dmca takedown"
you will understand how shitty ESL is
spring lintel
Lmao blizz fucked up with the world cup
rapid oxide
Facebook stream too
opaque garnet
are there any fellow Canadians in here? 😃 if you have a spare minute today, could you help me become the Overwatch World Cup Team Canada's community lead by voting here: https://worldcup.playoverwatch.com/en-us/endorse/72ff990022414b0fb28cb287
thanks so much!!! 🍁
(p.s. disregard the usa bug lol)
trim wadi
https://twitter.com/TheEventsDC/status/991709078094303232 i'd wanna go out to this
This could be a good event to guage interest in a DC OWL franchise
Which i still don't understand why NRG chose San Fran considering all they've been doing in DC
From the sponsorship with EventsDC to moving their OWC team there
And holding some events here too
silk linden
because DC sucks and SanFran is cool
vestal mortar
Ahhh I can't wait to go to World Cup again! 😄
silk linden
when is the group stage again?
vestal mortar
August - October
vestal mortar
Hasn't been announced yet