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#esports-discussion
coarse willow
other than xepher
candid cedar
well duh, its nyxl they're facing
coarse willow
but zunbas wrist is bad
paper crag
i'm worried about the fact that zunba's not starting against nyxl though
like how bad is his wrist?
coarse willow
mus tbe bad
paper crag
that he doesn't even get to start vs nyxl
coarse willow
he didnt play at all against philly
brisk roost
MARRIED MAN
warped axle
SBB is just so cool
carmine pumice
Big Boss Pine
brisk roost
UBER AND X LETS GOOOOOOOO
warped axle
YES UBER AND X
paper crag
does seoul have any realistic chance for playoffs?
warped axle
the 4th spot is possible but they would need to make HUGE upsets
Like 4-0ing London or something crazy
paper crag
so this game is more a matter of pride as far as this stage is concerned huh
and map differential for the season playoff
lethal plank
Lol feeding Fletta
paper crag
(which seoul has been ignoring for so long)
hidden osprey
huge game 
paper crag
SHD's been picking up some maps lately though
their recent games have been mostly 1-3, right?
warped axle
Wow Fleta's the best duelist?
paper crag
not a straight up 4-0?
brisk roost
Both snipers down
warped axle
Big Boss better look out
paper crag
i think saya yesterday was one of the most memorable widow moments so far though
brisk roost
NICE ONE PINE
paper crag
the res marker shows up where you die though
not where your corpse is
so unless you literally fall to your death, you can be resurrected, iirc
fresh turret
if you die in midair you can't
rustic perch
if you die above an abyss
fresh turret
in midair above a pit
rustic perch
you cant get rezzed as well
fresh turret
yep
warped axle
I'm pretty sure that happene to SBB
fresh turret
probably
warped axle
He was off the edge for a second and Munch meleed him
paper crag
hmmm
rapid bobcat
wow I actually got my first token drop
paper crag
maybe there's a slight delay before the res marker forms
rapid bobcat
3 tokens so far
warped axle
I have around 400
rustic perch
when i last checked 3 days ago i had exactly 666
warped axle
1 tick for Seoul
hidden osprey
Give us more Miro POV 😡
warped axle
MIRO IS POPPING OFF
spring lintel
I think pine lost them that
rustic perch
spring lintel
Too ballsy and he risked the support that came to save him
rustic perch
they even could get a 2nd chance if they reach overtime
warped axle
Playing Pine was actually a huge risk for NYXL
rustic perch
if nyxl drops below 1 minute, both teams get back up to 1 minute
even if one finished in overtime
warped axle
Not because Pine is bad, but because Fleta would be the one who could shut him donw
spring lintel
Libero is just too good on second point volskaya
warped axle
Libero is very consistent
tawny sigil
nyxl gonna get this with 4-5 minutes left garanteed
brisk roost
Yeah I think they should've run Libero here
spring lintel
Second point volskaya too good for genji
warped axle
Pine should have switched to McCree
spring lintel
I wish libero would be good at widow, the finals against SF shock was insane
warped axle
JJonak has not been playing as well lately
brisk roost
BRUH
spring lintel
Forced zen ult
That was so good
Munchkin saved their ass
This would have snowballed and they had zen ult
silk linden
perhaps they coordinated it
hidden osprey
Clean as always with NYXL
tawny sigil
called it
spring lintel
Lmao they can only draw now right?
warped axle
Fleta played like shit
hidden osprey
no
rustic perch
no
vagrant niche
THIS GAME IS GOING TO BE GOOD
spring lintel
Or does it have to be in overtime
rustic perch
seoul COULD still win
tawny sigil
seoul had 16 second left
spring lintel
Oh okay
hidden osprey
both team have time remaining in the time bank
spring lintel
I thought if it’s less than 1 min
warped axle
If Seoul could full hold they win
rancid jay
mhh
tawny sigil
1m vs 5m30
rancid jay
not even
hidden osprey
If it's less than 60 seconds remaining, then that team automatically gets 1 minute to attack
tawny sigil
so... nyxl easy clap
rustic perch
no, if you reach overtime you're out of pushes, unless the enemy team drops below 1 minute, then you get 1 minute as well, even with overtime
tawny sigil
whatever time it give the team it gives the other team aswell
spring lintel
Nyxl can go for a cheap strar which is spawn camping them if they are defending them
Looking bad for nyxl
Nvm
Lmao
brisk roost
PINE BRUH
rustic perch
refresh
tawny sigil
this will take like 30 seconds
warped axle
If there's one team with good defense though, it's Seoul
rancid jay
thats what my penis said
spring lintel
Probably unless someone from seoul pops off
Like 2 early picks from fleta can stabilize
rustic perch
you need to stabilize for 5.5 minutes tho
tawdry inlet
Anyone ever been to the Blizzard Arena?
spring lintel
They need something ballsy for a 5 mins hold
tawny sigil
ding ding ding
brisk roost
That was an ez clap
rancid jay
my donger said nyc is longers
slim summit
they need to make athena stop saying "victory" and "defeat"
i've been paying attention and it doesn't relate to which team is home / away
just random
can't you just have the VA say the team names?
brisk roost
Da hell is Sinatraa and Babybay doing in the crowd lmao
spring lintel
^
tawny sigil
it relate to which team they're spectating
which change constantly
throughout the round
tawdry inlet
"Hey guys, this is Jeff of the Overwatch team. I am sorry to announce Dallas Fuel lost again, much how they always lose outside of Overwatch League."
lethal plank
Anus wut
brisk roost
Janus*
lethal plank
He needs to fix his name on his shirt. #reported
brisk roost
Fined
warped axle
Solid push by Seoul
silk linden
MrX: "Pine could have missed the shot"
Uber: "..c'mon"
silk linden
why is xepher played over zunba?
visual glen
Injury
minor flame
I cant tell if Janus is getting much better or Seoul is worse against Janus
ashen trail
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
warped axle
Xepher isn't even contenders level
warped axle
Xepher needs to go back to the bench
silk linden
uber is like the perfect caster
warped axle
Stop feeding so much
silk linden
never repeats himself, comes up with dumb analogies, overtime rap god
warped axle
Xepher had 13 deathes last map
D.va is the hardest character to kill
What the hell
stone creek
beating seoul is easy, just go in on the supports because their tanks don't give a shit 😂
slim summit
betroit
waxen rampart
etroit mash
devout bolt
excel will win
lethal plank
Detroit rox
brisk roost
Clean
vagrant niche
that reaction
rustic perch
i mean it's 2-sided to have a team like nyxl
one side it's cool to see such a high-quality team that wins almost every match
on the other side.. it's boring
vagrant niche
i'm not bored at all
rustic perch
you know the outcome before the match even starts
there are a few matchups where you can say they MIGHT have a chance (london, boston, seoul, philly for example, even though they're also struggling hard), but the other teams struggle just way too hard
silk linden
even Pine mcrightclicks
rustic perch
yea but still I don't want a team that wins every match
ruby pendant
It could be boring to watch, but there will be loads of people wanting to view the game
fallow scroll
As an Excelsior fan, I came to watch a massacre, and I was not disappointed
rustic perch
a massacre is something else
ruby pendant
I agree though, would want to see more of challenge
rustic perch
seoul is fighting well but they're not looking like they have that much of a chance currently
fallow scroll
I did expect Seoul to put up more of a fight tbh, they were undefeated until Excelsior stepped up their game
ruby pendant
anything can happen!
fallow scroll
Except for shanghai winning a game apparently
azure harbor
tawny sigil
Finally some salvation for Seoul
marsh pumice
Razer keyboards? oh gawdd....
brisk sluice
Yes, SBB was the primary one continuously contesting point
rustic perch
it's so sad that they need to bring xepher in for zunba currently
forest wharf
Can we just have uber as a permanent solo caster?
candid cedar
i dont think its possible, but i want to see seoul reverse sweep this
marsh pumice
Seoul using Razer keyboards is sad
candid cedar
even though that's almost impossible
rustic perch
i at least want a game 5
brisk roost
Are you saying Razer keyboards are bad lol
candid cedar
well they have a reputation for being bad
marsh pumice
yes they really bad
devout bolt
they r not bad
fallow scroll
My laptop uses a steelseries keyboard, it's glowey
candid cedar
i dont think keyboards make that much of a difference
brisk roost
Indeed
marsh pumice
one would think with the money this guys make they would have good stuff, but probably just sponsors and stuff
candid cedar
doesnt seem like it though
marsh pumice
and they can't use good stuff
rustic perch
it's your personal preference
marsh pumice
oh wow then it's just meh
fallow scroll
I use a corsair M65 mouse, and I map all my abilities, fire buttons, and melee to it, with ult being shift
candid cedar
i mean
razer is fine i think
marsh pumice
well at least corsair uses cherry mx
candid cedar
its not that bad
fallow scroll
I only use 5 buttons on my keyboard lol
marsh pumice
kek
azure harbor
marsh pumice
oh wow 3 kills
hidden osprey
Mano wtf
marsh pumice
to be honest i want 2-2 so we go to map 5
candid cedar
i hope we can
hidden osprey
ggs
marsh pumice
dam
candid cedar
and also for seoul to get revenge on nyxl
marsh pumice
gg
azure harbor
hidden osprey
ye, I wanted a Map 5
brisk roost
GG
fallow scroll
Wooooo!!!
candid cedar
LOL
those signs
fallow scroll
-_-
spring lintel
Did pine play all maps?
fallow scroll
Yep
rustic perch
no
stuck dragon
Not the 2nd map
brisk roost
No
spring lintel
Even numbani?
rustic perch
2nd map they subbed in libero for pine
fallow scroll
Oh
brisk roost
Pine didn't play on Numbani
spring lintel
Oh ok nvm
candid cedar
i feel like nyxl is just gonna give the last map to seoul
since it doesnt really matter anymore
rustic perch
they won't
spring lintel
It matters overall
fallow scroll
Next up is a true massacre
spring lintel
Route 66 pine or libero can play
fallow scroll
Shanghai
spring lintel
I prefer pine
fallow scroll
Lol
rustic perch
i mean it actually "doesn't matter" anymore, because i honestlyx think even if nyxl loses EVERY match from now on, boston isn't able to take #1 from nyxl
ruby pendant
What if the Dragons win though?
rustic perch
in the overall standings
fallow scroll
Can hardly wait to see what not to do in a MLG game of Overwatch
spring lintel
@rustic perch overall as in the whole stage?
rustic perch
yea
spring lintel
I mean as in the whole season
rustic perch
mapwins is
nyxl 90-29-2
boston 66-49-3
spring lintel
My bad not the stage
spring lintel
Lmao
rustic perch
mapwins*
spring lintel
Even london?
coarse willow
yea but the map record doesnt matter unless its tied
fallow scroll
How many wins is nyxl ahead of shanghai?
coarse willow
no seoul is #4
it just isnt updated yet
it doesnt put in the loss until the game is done
rustic perch
how old is it then?
fallow scroll
Lol shanghai has only won 13 maps?
coarse willow
and london has a better map score
spring lintel
Damn seoul is still in it
coarse willow
so london will be in 3rd after this game is over
rustic perch
yea thats what i mean, i think even if they lose every map from now on, it doesn't matter at all
coarse willow
yea but map difference doesnt matter unless its tied
so boston has to win 4 games and ny has to lose 4 games for them to come back
i still think ny will finish 1st overall
rustic perch
seoul isnt 3rd, was my bad
coarse willow
it doesnt register the lost
spring lintel
They are
rustic perch
old stats
spring lintel
On the website
spring lintel
I mean before this game
coarse willow
it just isnt updated this match
spring lintel
They are both 18 wins
rustic perch
yea
coarse willow
yea
rustic perch
but both are 18-10 too
spring lintel
London got more maps
coarse willow
and london is way better on maps
ruby pendant
Dragons 2nd place
coarse willow
so theyre 3rd
rustic perch
seoul is 18-9 on the website but it hasnt updated yet as someone here said, and london has better mapscores
spring lintel
It says they are 4th @ruby pendant
ruby pendant
Really??!
spring lintel
I meant collin
coarse willow
yea like i said
rustic perch
odds are small
spring lintel
Before this match why is seoul 3rd
coarse willow
hasnt updated yet
spring lintel
Not 4th
coarse willow
because they have a better record
spring lintel
So losses matter?
fallow scroll
Shanghai is the best at losing
rustic perch
after this match is done, seoul is 18-10 too and drop down to #4 because of mapscore
spring lintel
Lmao then maps dont matter that much at all
rustic perch
maps matter if you tie with another team...
coarse willow
maps are the tiebreaker
spring lintel
Tie in wins and losses
fallow scroll
If this was golf, shanghai would be doing amazing.
rustic perch
london and seoul will be tied up after this series
tawny sigil
is it just me that tunes out when its 3-0
fallow scroll
Shanghai should try golf instead of Overwatch
rustic perch
depends on the match, but usually i don't pay attention anymore
i mean you gotta admit, shanghai isn't >BAD<
they're good players, otherwise they wouldnt play in such a place
fallow scroll
Their score says otherwise
Perhaps they are good individually, but together they r bad
spring lintel
Shanghai got comms problems i would say
coarse willow
no they are really good
rustic perch
without knowing in which elo you play, i don't think you would be able to take a map from shanghai
rustic perch
^
coarse willow
all the players in the OWL are really good
brisk sluice
Pine
azure harbor
fallow scroll
They are indeed all good, but shanghai just happens to be the worst of the best in terms of working together as a team
brisk roost
Clapped
rustic perch
that's the problem yea
brisk roost
SEOUL GOT 0 KILLS WTF
spring lintel
Holy shit
brisk sluice
Pine shutdown Seoul
brisk sluice
Every push
rustic perch
i just don't like that everyone keeps saying "omg shanghai sucks even a plat team can win against them", no they can't, a diamond team can't, a masters team can't, a grandmasters team MAYBE can
but the typical twitch viewer definitely can't
forest wharf
daring widget
SEOUL IS WASHED UP
spring lintel
Contender teams would roll them lmao
daring widget
BRING BACK ESCA GIDO DPS
slim summit
pine is too good
spring lintel
That’s like GM team losing to masters
slim summit
i was hoping he would be sold during his hiatus after losing badly to Birdring
rustic perch
same
slim summit
but now he's back and playing better than anyone in the league
rustic perch
i rooted for them since apex and i still root for them but they have issues currently
fallow scroll
Torn is my spirit animal
forest wharf
daring widget
i hope seoul picks up whoru
coarse willow
i hope they pick up effect
fallow scroll
Aw I wanted Torb
rustic perch
it will be a while until they can pick whoru up
spring lintel
Seoul doesn’t want whoru lmao
rustic perch
won't happen until season 3
spring lintel
Their players are so much better than whoru
zealous plaza
who's worse seoul or kids who say swear words
rustic perch
whoru was their star player back in apex
azure harbor
brisk roost
Clean sweep
coarse willow
we need to replace miro and munchkin
spring lintel
Yeah, they kicked him and won apex
forest wharf
Rip
stone creek
@rustic perch pretty much
spring lintel
They are not getting whoru
rustic perch
lunatic hai won season2 and 3
spring lintel
Whoru is the worst pick up in this meta
stone creek
@spring lintel they won apex with whoru and esca on dps?
reverse sweep against runaway
daring widget
whoru is doing great in contendors lol for fusion university
daring widget
his genji is still top tier
spring lintel
You wanna replace fleta for a one trick?
forest wharf
Uber is a god damn poetic mastermind, you shut your fucking mouth
spring lintel
They did bench him
stone creek
the genji/tracer one trick
daring widget
he was suspended for an apex season
spring lintel
Cause he is arrogant
daring widget
^
stone creek
he's called WHORU
spring lintel
He was saying shit like I am carrying this team
brisk roost
I love it when Twitch chat acts like it's the first time they see a girl
stone creek
he's going to be an ass 😂
spring lintel
Anyways he is a bad pick up for seoul imo
fiery reef
oh man, lets see if they can do it. If Shanghai can at least get 2 match wins before losing. I will buy a jersey to suppor them!
rustic perch
idk, been a long time since i saw him play
spring lintel
He is just gonna limit them
spring lintel
Xepher is because zunba is injured i think
And he is probably okay being a bench player
stone creek
you watch NY and they death ball to the fight and then they engage
rustic perch
munchkin is just too inconsistent, he has his huge moments but overall he just needs too much time to be efficient for their team
lethal plank
does seoul still have a playoff chance?
rustic perch
of course
stone creek
seoul seem to go in as two different units
stone creek
and pray a tracer doesn't one clip a support
daring widget
whoru still plays tracer in contenders
stone creek
whoru is playing tracer for fusion
lethal plank
wraxu signed?
spring lintel
Is he that good?
rustic perch
seoul needs to win both matches next week to have a chance for this stage's playoffs tho
spring lintel
As a tracer?
rustic perch
if they lose one single match, it's over
stone creek
haven't watched enough to say tbh
but the team is playing well, so he must be doing something right
he still plays a lot of genji
brisk roost
Wait so only Ark can speak decent English in NY or?
tawny sigil
he understand english, does't he?
spring lintel
A tracer-genji player isn’t a really good combo
daring widget
i mean as of now fusion university has been doing amazing in contenders
lethal plank
i thought snillo was suspended and fined for playing baggette in deathmatch
fallow scroll
Speaking of Pokémon, the 1000th episode aired today in the US
fallow scroll
Also, why is Bridgette banned?
spring lintel
Contenders seems to be so meh
opaque cargo
seoul losing 0-4 goddamn
silk linden
brigitte will be available in stage 4
she only just came out
she isn't even playable in ranked yet
lethal plank
ya'll ready for a shanghai win?
silk linden
brigitte has nothing to do with mercy and widow
fallow scroll
Can hardly wait for the sym meta this summer
Sym main ftw
Finally I shall be useful!
brisk sluice
Don't think it will be in professional scene in summer.
stone creek
@silk linden nice insight
rustic perch
we don't talk about the sym changes
lethal plank
speaking of baggette, I got her cute last night. now i have all trophies on ps4
brisk sluice
That's probably how long it will take to hit PTR or live.
silk linden
what
silk linden
you implied brigitte was gonna shake the mercy widow meta
but that's like, not likely to be true
lethal plank
baggette will definitely shake the dive meta
stone creek
i just said i want anything to shake the game up
daring widget
^
silk linden
she messes with dive, not with widow mercy
rustic perch
i actually liked the game more back in s2, 3, 4
lethal plank
as a d va main, baggette pisses me off
rustic perch
where you had a different meta every season
now it's just dive for like 4 or 5 seasons in a row
daring widget
phara might be played more to counter bridgette
stone creek
it's so boring to watch/play atm because that backline is so powerful
lethal plank
what they need to do is give rein a stun-resist passive and give his charge invulnerability w/ vaccuum effect
silk linden
nah, I've seen people call every meta boring
lethal plank
that'll kill dive meta
rustic perch
is the stream freezing for someone else too?
silk linden
nah
stone creek
the best bit is when someone wins the duel and then we get see a team fight
rustic perch
then it's on my end.. well, time to get the twitch app back up
fallow scroll
I wonder if there are any legitimate shanghai fans in the audience there, or if the only people cheering for shanghai are actors placed in the audience out of pity lol
silk linden
people like shanghai
rustic perch
shanghai has many fans
coarse willow
its not actors
silk linden
why wouldn't you
stone creek
shanghai are a meme, people love a meme
silk linden
they're the ultimate underdogs
coarse willow
no they arent fans of shanghai and they arent actors they are just the audience cheering for them out of pity
stone creek
pretty much, 1 win and the attention goes
fallow scroll
I'm not saying there aren't shanghai fans, I'm just saying that I wouldn't pay to go to an event knowing my favorite team will lose
rustic perch
if it stays at 1 win
if they suddenly skyrocket all the way to #1 (which isnt possible anymore anyways)
then they'll get even more fans
silk linden
you pay one ticket for the whole day
stable wadi
FIRE ON
silk linden
you get to watch 3 matches
paper crag
yeah, if SHD can't get a second with within like 5 games or something
everything will fade
even if they have a win
stone creek
time to watch fragi have some fun
paper crag
they'll just be a "bad team"
fallow scroll
Yeah but if ur there because u want to see shanghai, ur gonna always be disappointed, based on their current stats
paper crag
not "SHD TAKE MY ENERGY"
silk linden
I doubt there's people flying from across the ocean specifically to watch shnaghai and shanghai alone
paper crag
right? lol
rustic perch
ooh i bet there are
silk linden
as of now people are more fans of the league as a whole rather than specific teams alone
paper crag
i mean, i'm sure there are people who go to CA with the main reason being OWL
stone creek
i had my doubts about that guy who drove from florida to watch mayhem
paper crag
but also other tourism
silk linden
like you see people with jerseys, but they still cheer and highfive players of other teams
paper crag
but i feel like most people are just people who happen to be in US for long term
like studying abroad
stone creek
it's esports
if it was football, the fans would be separated by stewards and they'd be chucking chairs at each other
stable wadi
The amount of people who go all the way to California from any place that isn't California for the sole and exclusive reason of watching a single OWL team
Is probably extremely small
stone creek
instead of a cheer, gasp and slapping some balloons together 😂
silk linden
well football teams have existed for decades and the support has cemented
Season 2 will help cementing fanbases for the teams, with the teams actually moving to their cities
stable wadi
Also it's entirely possible for an underdog team to have enduring popularity even after they win
See: Chicago Cubs
paper crag
i thought the cubs were supposed to be decent
just never winning a title
idk shit about baseball though
fallow scroll
Wait the teams will actually move to their cities in season 2?
coarse willow
baseball is retarded
stable wadi
They're alright but they're definitely still an underdog team most of the time
fallow scroll
But there is only one arena
paper crag
but they're not like SHD level underdogs, are they?
paper crag
more like stage 1 LAG
stable wadi
Though to be fair I don't think anyone is SHD level in baseball right now
paper crag
kinda mid tierish but not dominant within mid tier
fallow scroll
Wait wait wait, u mean that the teams are actually going to play in their respective cities in season 2?!
paper crag
i think it's gonna be hard to find any team in any sport that's SHD level right now in their respective league
lol
stable wadi
Regionalism will actually matter???
woh
Too bad NYXE will still be Korean and not actually a New York team 
Though I guess that's just
stone creek
@stable wadi inter milan would like a word with you
paper crag
anyone know how close OWL is to actually having that infrastructure for city based league?
stable wadi
New York sports in a nutshell
fallow scroll
Hey, I get to watch them live if they play in NY, so I'm not complaining
paper crag
i think london has a place signed?
daring widget
NYXL is gonna be koreas world cup team
stable wadi
We buy all our players anyway
daring widget
lunatic hai washed up
stable wadi
Man Philly is my jam but I want that SHD win
paper crag
i think london has a place signed, philly has a place planned by comcast
stone creek
they weren't that great in apex, just everyone else sucked
stable wadi
Also Philly keeps tilting hard
paper crag
etc?
stone creek
see envy season 1
stable wadi
NYXE can probably rent a stadium when they play
fallow scroll
Lol the coordination for that shanghai dragon sign is a perfect representation of their team coordination
stable wadi
Barclays Center might be a solid bet
fallow scroll
All over the place
paper crag
NYXL Madison Square Garden lol
stable wadi
Though the guy who owns NYXE also owns the Mets IIRC so that guy is loaded
fallow scroll
NYXL Nassau Coliseum
paper crag
does Mets have a home stadium?
paper crag
is that Barclays?
warped axle
Dude
paper crag
oh okay
warped axle
If OWL comes to Philly it would be the greatest
stone creek
100k on twitch, 450 in the blizzard arena
you could probably get away with a community hall at that rate 😂
paper crag
lol
stable wadi
oof
fallow scroll
Nassau Coliseum would work out nicely, indoor, huge seating, and less than 15 minutes from my university
coarse willow
welp
stone creek
LoL had their world final in the birds nest in beijing and did about a quarter of the stadium, if that
coarse willow
none of teh OWL teams are anywhere near me so thats a rip
stone creek
esports is still pretty niche
stable wadi
The esports world likes to pretend that esports is huge
But it's really not
Growing maybe, but not huge
stone creek
if it gets into the olympics, then it'll change
stable wadi
S H D
paper crag
well, it's more like huge esports are huge
stable wadi
FIRE ON
stone creek
it still has the stigma of "not real sports"
get rid of that and it's good to go imo
paper crag
but some people like to think "because this one esports scene is huge, esports itself is huge"
stable wadi
I doubt it'll make it into the Olympics unless the Olympics made their own esport
Esports is naturally corporate which makes it an awkward international inclusion
candid cedar
cant really see that coming tbh
candid cedar
esp since theres also different types of games
stone creek
they're trying for 2024
paper crag
i feel like it's kind of counterproductive for esport to keep trying to prove something to traditional sports
keen warren
It'll be difficult for it to enter the Olympics since it has no International Governing Body for each of the sport
the Devs own the ruleset for each game
stone creek
and with it being in japan 2020, maybe that nudges it forward
candid cedar
esports isnt regular sports. period
stone creek
i see it like ball sports
fallow scroll
Why don't we have our own eOlympics?
paper crag
esports is too diverse to be a sport for the olympics
stone creek
sure you got rugby, football, cricket
candid cedar
its vastly different from traditional sports
fallow scroll
Screw traditional sports, why not just have a Olympics just for eSports?
keen warren
If for some odd or miraculous reason an open source E-Sport gets created, then it would have a chance to enter a sort of "Olympic Style" event
paper crag
unless devs somehow come together and make "Olympics official FPS"
candid cedar
but the traditional sports aren't created by companies are they lol
keen warren
@fallow scroll Well that's the collection of World Cup Style matches
Look at the OWC, the WESG
Worlds
candid cedar
^
stable wadi
The long and short of it is that it will never be played alongside traditional international sports as long as it is corporate
keen warren
Well it won't be played in a True "Olympic" sense
paper crag
that red and orange really gives me a Sriracha + Yum Yum sauce vibe
vast dagger
kind of ridiculous that it's just known that the games are gonna be a loss for shanghai, its implied by the casters and all, and 100% of the time it happens
feels bad man
stone creek
i think it's the stigma of "not real sports" that holds it back, corporate is keeping it going atm
paper crag
yeah the stigma holds it back. the moment it was named "esport," it was kind of doomed to be massively compared with traditional sports and scrutinized
stable wadi
I don't think corporate keeps it going at all, since the corporate world isn't at all needed for esports
marsh pumice
would be cool if dragons could win this match
stable wadi
Could you imagine a corporatized FGC
keen warren
Very slowly, but I mean, 10 years ago I defintely would not be expecting to be talking to people who are interested in the same Comp game as me, much less supporting a team getting paid to play it
paper crag
i think esport needs to just stop trying to prove something to regular sports and just be its own thing
stone creek
just look at darts
coarse willow
xQc just confirmed in his stream that most of the wetern players arent contracted for next year
stone creek
😂
paper crag
^
marsh pumice
they are getting better
vast dagger
I know i want them to win
paper crag
which is why i want it to be against a pretty high tier team
stone creek
have they even won enough rounds to count as a match?
candid cedar
but they have such a handicap with the communication
coarse willow
yea
marsh pumice
yeh they did
coarse willow
they have like 11 map wins
paper crag
i'd rather see it called a miracle than to see people say "well they won because it was against the second worst team"
fallow scroll
Why is their comms so bad btw?
keen warren
Well it starts soon
paper crag
3 languages
coarse willow
language
vast dagger
geguri poggers
candid cedar
korean, chinese, english
rustic perch
fallow scroll
But philly also looks like a multi-Lang team
paper crag
Ayyy
marsh pumice
nice
brisk roost
Nice
candid cedar
but they all talk in english
silk linden
boy geguri is like. Real good
paper crag
i think philly is still okay in english
vast dagger
geguri should be on a better team :/
paper crag
i don't think SHD players are good enough in english to comm effectively
candid cedar
and most are european, and can speak english
paper crag
and obviously worse in korean/chinese, whichever they don't speak
fallow scroll
English is the hardest second language to learn
silk linden
nah
paper crag
eh idk
fallow scroll
It's basically all the languages derived from Latin, mashed back together
paper crag
it does have a lot of bullshit irregularities that makes it hard
but i don't know if you can actually rank it
silk linden
english is pretty easy
vast dagger
it just almost feels so weird to me that there is a team in the league that is just a free win for all the other teams :/ are they going to be relegated at any point or does the team just have to find new players and improve?
silk linden
also you get tons of sources to practice on, with all the media and all the people speaking it
the grammar is pretty basic
silk linden
there are easier and harder languages for sure
fallow scroll
In terms of speaking it fluently, it's very hard to get it perfect
silk linden
obviously it depends on your mother tongue
vast dagger
and that isnt easy
paper crag
@vast dagger on top of a team being a free win for everyone else, there will be some teams that play SHD more than other teams throughout the 4 stages, which some could argue is unfair
waxen rampart
carpe really
brisk roost
Carpe with the disrespect teabag
paper crag
i mean, i don't think people were really expecting SHD to be THIS outmatched
waxen rampart
you could hear the boos
fallow scroll
My god, it's like watching a team with no mics in ranked
paper crag
so maybe blizz thought it wasn't gonna be a big deal
which it was lol
fine and ban carpe
lol
vast dagger
i mean thats what im trying to say, after 2 stages or so youd think they do something about it..
waxen rampart
i mean dick move tbh
candid cedar
i do feel sad for them
i think this is the first esports team ive seen that has never one a match
vast dagger
thats what im saying
something is horribly wrong
SOMEONE fucked up
when this became a thing
paper crag
i think the general consensus is that the coaching staff fucked up because nepotism
when forming the roster
candid cedar
i remember back when the league just started, there was some speculation on corruption in the team
paper crag
yeah
vast dagger
sounds like multiple problems
fallow scroll
Corruption in wat way?
candid cedar
there was a huge reddit post from a chinese ow player
paper crag
nepotism/croneyism
candid cedar
something to do with choosing the members i think
stable wadi
People paid their way onto the team and coaching staff
vast dagger
not only that being a problem, but they seemingly werent tested against other teams? one day of scrimming a few teams would make that clear. maybe 2.
fallow scroll
Ah, that sounds like a rich person problem
Rich people paying their way to MLG status
daring widget
miraculous youngsters should have been shaghai
candid cedar
^
vast dagger
so some of the current roster are likely a result of that corruption?
candid cedar
but iirc most of the members were under 18
vast dagger
of the nepotism
candid cedar
what they started out with, yes
paper crag
becoming more and more korean
fallow scroll
Btw wat does nepotism mean?
paper crag
as is nature
vast dagger
it means they are biased towards family or friends
paper crag
nepotism is giving favorable bias towards your family
fallow scroll
Ahhhh
vast dagger
for selecting a position
paper crag
croneyism is for friends
candid cedar
well you can't expect korean players to suddenly win matches with chinese players
paper crag
but nepotism is often used to mean both
candid cedar
the language barrier is probably 90% of the reason why they're doing so badly rn
paper crag
how much did SHD take in point B?
vast dagger
so the few chinese players here are likely actually deserving of it?
rustic perch
0
fallow scroll
I feel like shanghai just got everyone's leftovers
paper crag
oh snap really?
rustic perch
check for yourself
paper crag
i thought they took like 1.3 or something
rustic perch
it even says 0%
waxen rampart
wait you're saying the chinese players deserve it or don't?? i'm confused
paper crag
deserve what?
waxen rampart
so the few chinese players here are likely actually deserving of it?
being on the team i guess
fallow scroll
I'm more surprised they got all these OWL players into the US to begin with
vast dagger
im asking if the ones that are still on the roster are actually legitimate players, and not the result of the possible nepotism
waxen rampart
ohh
vast dagger
because the worse ones were probably weeded out by now?
paper crag
SHD FULL HOLD PLS
silk linden
geguri's sens makes me dizzy
fallow scroll
The US is very hard to get non-citizens into nowadays
rustic perch
dear god fearless almost killed half his team there
vast dagger
theyre holding tho
waxen rampart
they are
vast dagger
im pogging right now
quasi stump
LET'S GOOOOO
paper crag
how dare neptuno interfere in an honorable combat between dragonblading genjis
vast dagger
premptive pogs bois
hidden osprey
omg pls
brisk roost
SHANGHAI IS HOLDING POGGERS
hidden osprey
full hold
waxen rampart
2-3 and i'll be pogging all day
vast dagger
preemptive*
silk linden
I swear her mouse pad is like a post it note
vast dagger
HOLDDD
paper crag
HODL
quasi stump
dammit carpe nooooo
stable wadi
DO IT BOYS
waxen rampart
shIT
candid cedar
@vast dagger honestly just look up the chinese esports scene. its corrupt as fuck
waxen rampart
NOOO
marsh pumice
they are doing a great job man
fiery reef
This is Shanghai guys .. they've held like this 1000 times .. and every time they flop last second.
hidden osprey
:(
stable wadi
TILT CARPE TILT
marsh pumice
yeh
waxen rampart
AAAH
marsh pumice
fak
waxen rampart
THEY WERE SO CLOSE
candid cedar
rip
paper crag
4 minutes for one tick
waxen rampart
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TALKED
quasi stump
no way they hold this
marsh pumice
hope they can hold it now, it was close
stable wadi
NOOOO
paper crag
the preemptive poggers jinxed it
paper crag
i blame it all on you guys
candid cedar
eh i think theyll get a win next stage
quasi stump
whew
candid cedar
just cant see it happening this stage tbh
vast dagger
shanghai deserves to be in the finals
paper crag
SHD has been consistently getting 1-3's though
vast dagger
dont @ me
paper crag
which is an improvement i think lol
candid cedar
they may be good, but how good are they really compared to the rest of the owl?
vast dagger
u can see the skill
paper crag
lol
vast dagger
it kinda hurts
candid cedar
so are dallas fuel players
paper crag
yeah
paper crag
yeah it's just a testament to the importance of teamwork
waxen rampart
REEEE
vast dagger
honestly i wonder how these teams feel about beating shanghai
marsh pumice
😦
vast dagger
must just almost feel bad
ruby pendant
Who said it was a massacre?
fallow scroll
Rip
paper crag
i feel like skill differences don't matter as much once you're good enough to be pro
unless you're REALLY good
vast dagger
its all teamwork
vagrant niche
did they win?
vast dagger
like jjonak
paper crag
like jjonak level
brisk sluice
Nope
vast dagger
stands out even amongst his team
vagrant niche
vast dagger
@paper crag lmao
fallow scroll
@vagrant niche guess
paper crag
lol
marsh panther
Has Shanghai still not won a single map? I haven't been able to watch for a long time
brisk sluice
They've won a couple maps.
fiery reef
They've won maps .. 3 total I think?
fallow scroll
13 maps this entire season
stable wadi
Maps yes, match no
paper crag
shanghai has been getting 1-3'd pretty consistently
vast dagger
@paper crag guess hes just that good huh we both thought of him
fallow scroll
I think
waxen rampart
they got one on boston
marsh panther
Hey, they're improving
paper crag
improvement from oconsistent 0-4's
fiery reef
5*
vast dagger
yeah they are def getting better
u can see moments of brilliance with the ado geguri combo
paper crag
one more korean and they'll start getting 2-3 losses
fiery reef
They've definitely been getting more Korean is more like it
ruby pendant
Dragons about to win their 1st game
paper crag
two more koreans and they'll finally get 3-2 victory
vast dagger
for each korean they add, theyll get 1 more win per series
paper crag
yep
vast dagger
i loved the whole city based system day 1
fallow scroll
Is there even a single American in the league?
vast dagger
NY the fucking koreans
paper crag
there are plenty
stable wadi
Yeah the city system is useless lul
vast dagger
american*
paper crag
sinatraa, jake, muma, seagull
tawny sigil
city system is as useless as real sports
paper crag
more but idk
vast dagger
not only that, theyre all in LA, all the time, and no one is from those cities
at least in real sports they go to those cities
paper crag
i mean, NFL players aren't born and raised in their cities
fiery reef
Well the goal is for Season 2 or 3, for them to have mutliple arenas. One in each city and play there
paper crag
same with NBA and MLB
fiery reef
Yes but you bet they live in the Area.
fallow scroll
Season 2 they will supposedly be playing in their cities
supple prism
is that needed though?
paper crag
OWL is trying to build the infrastructure so that the teams can reside in their cities and play there
fallow scroll
London already has a place even
ruby pendant
@supple prism Market exposure
vast dagger
@fiery reef great in theory but also so much time and effort in travel then. i know im being nitpicky but might as well just not
supple prism
i guess
vast dagger
and not have the systema t all
supple prism
is it?
vast dagger
yeah theyll make a lot of money from locals
fiery reef
There was a guy in here in the past who insisted that if you are paid money, and given a jersey with a city or locations name on it. You represent them.
ruby pendant
There's demand for people to watch the Overwatch League
fallow scroll
I don't mind having NY represented by the best team in the league :3
vast dagger
yeah, thats very true. these koreans are representing NY and im sure they almost feel some NY pride that new yorkers watch them in bars etc @fiery reef kinda cool that way i guess
ruby pendant
People who opt out of visiting California form their own clubs to watch these games
fiery reef
I don't agree though
fallow scroll
I am a NYer and I am filled with pride knowing we r better than everyone else
supple prism
pff
vast dagger
see
supple prism
Chicago is better
fiery reef
If I pay a homeless guy 10$ and give him a shirt that says Toronoto. That doesn't mean he represents them in anyway
fallow scroll
We're better than u all, stats don't lie
fiery reef
Toronto*
vast dagger
im filled with much shame by the shock @fallow scroll
stone creek
where is this toronoto?
fiery reef
in Cananada