how long was pine out for?
#esports-discussion
silk linden
vagrant niche
is there any news about symetra?
torpid charm
Symm meta when?
vagrant niche
if her tele is that good
maybe next
i mean
they made rat meta
i remember when he was a troll pick
pearl stratus
Unless she can build high ground she'll never be meta for a pro.
silk linden
she needs better long range options
vagrant niche
what if her weapon changes?
she might be meta
she might be the first
on something that hasn't been done yet
vagrant niche
and she might get more health
given her slow mobility
or something
unless her teles are insane
paper crag
Honestly I wish ice wall was symm’s ability
Light wall, not ice wall, obviouslt
But the same mechanic
I feel like it would suit the character a lot more
Make her entire kit pretty much for overcoming terrain somehow
Allowing your team to overcome terrain, that is
Not just herself
vagrant niche
man, getting people to just get on your ice wall is hard enough, you think that is going to help?
zealous plaza
let symmetra convert maps into king's row
paper crag
Would also be interesting to see semipermeable barrier that also blocks enemy movement but allow allies to move through, although it would probably be broken as all hell
I think same length as mei iceblock would be fine
But half the surface area when viewed from front
Since it’d be a right triangle
Not a rectangle
Make it a little thicker though, so there would be more room for heroes to stand on
paper crag
But it’s pretty pointless because ice wall already exists
keen warren
I mean DFuel against BU should be an easy win for BU
keen warren
After BU beating all three of the Korean Teams, Dfuel gonna beat BU and just own the OWL?
I'll take even odds on it
paper crag
How the fuck dare Effect not play 7 people’s worth and carry his team
Does he think he just needs to do his own job and everyone will do theirs?
Millenials are so entitled these days
keen warren
Just blame mickie and call it a day
fallow raven
GET THIS PAYLOAD MOVVVINNN
keen warren
If there's anything Valiant Fans are supportive af
hallow herald
tryhard7
keen warren
Friday Night Fights from OWL
torpid charm
#SaveEffect
hallow herald
effect ran away from problems, he saved himself
keen warren
#SaveSeagull
tawny sigil
Well of course there is 0 pressure, they're 100% out of stage 3 playoff and Finals... so win or lose means NOTHING right now for dallas
stuck agate
Mickie too pure
tawny sigil
dallas can only try to be in stage 4 playoff, after that its all over
ruby pendant
Fuel 4-0
hallow herald
we all know seagulls gonna solo carry
vagrant niche
Semmler nooo
hallow herald
semmler yessss
keen warren
Go Semmler
quasi stump
"boston is playing wicked good right now" 
tawny sigil
boston just got lucky, its the californian Kush destroying those korean's mind
they couldn't escape 420
hallow herald
oh god watching dallas point a on anubis is painful
torpid charm
Cocco was almost dead right away
tawny sigil
what happen for their first anubis performence of 6 points
slim summit
kobe
tawny sigil
ain't no sky box that's gonna save you here
stuck agate
Oof
silk linden
you know when in ranked you think your team is doing bad because you have gold elims with one
it happens in OWL too
stone creek
so orisa on defence = good
silk linden
no shit
quasi stump
@silk linden 
quasi stump
mickie and seagull with 1 elim each, no one else has any elims
slim summit
are Boston wearing home made number patches for some reason
stone creek
don't know why there's no rein/lucio
warped axle
hallow herald
taimou gonna pop off
silk linden
is he tho
hallow herald
yes
fluid dagger
Mistakes needs to practice his genji
silk linden
if all matches were bo1 2cp, dallas would be able to draw to anyone
keen warren
Reverse sweep guys
supple prism
bo1?
keen warren
you just watch
stuck agate
When it works tho
keen warren
let's go Dallas Fuel
hallow herald
not putting seagull on hanzo to give the other team a chance
supple prism
i find it funny how many bits the fuel has and how little uprising has
stone creek
orisa on attack twice now
bitter phoenix
Who is winning? I'm at work
stone creek
uprising 1-0
bitter phoenix
I figured as much lol
stone creek
they just got 6 ults, grouped up and pressed Q
stone creek
ya'll ready for some 4 minute blades?
stuck agate
Some quality shimadamada
stone creek
only mccree to get a 4 minute high noon
pallid cargo
why does fuel keep subbing out seagull
if they don't want him on projectile dps, put him on dva
he's a better dva than micke
pallid cargo
micke on dva is worse
keen warren
KOBE!
hallow herald
that point a push was too good. Dallas confirmed best team
silk linden
OGE should have waited before dropping the shield I guess
cloud notch
but Blizzard World payload unlock capture point is one of the easier ones
🤔
sombra is really hitting their team hard
pearl stratus
Mistakes and Danteh are the two really unopposed Sombra.
They were the only dps to really grind her before her buffs.
So now they're just a league ahead
stuck agate
Lesgo Boston LETS GO
slim summit
yeah that was dumb
keen warren
Stage 4 has BW right?
slim summit
especially since the change was live
pearl stratus
We've had a ton of full caps on BW.
keen warren
With the BW rework
slim summit
before stage 3
pearl stratus
I wasn't expecting that.
It went live the week after Stage 3 started.
Not before.
cloud notch
think we're going to see brigitte played when she becomes available?
cloud notch
I don't think itll break the core of ZenMercy
pearl stratus
It will for certain points, where you can run 3 supports easily.
We'll also see a small increase in Pharah when Brig is out too, on more open maps.
keen warren
more junkrat to try and shield break her
pearl stratus
Less junk with the changes, imo.
keen warren
Meh, pros can' adjust their mechanical skill
stuck agate
LMAO MICKIE
pearl stratus
You can't adjust how much easier the tire will be to die.
When 75% of tires already don't do anything.
cloud notch
boston is gunna 3-0, predicting it now
hallow herald
bold prediction
keen warren
Very
pearl stratus
Boston is going to win is like the 'water is wet' of predictions.
cloud notch
thats true but I said specifically 3-0
pearl stratus
Dallas is too organized right now.
cloud notch
😛
pearl stratus
They don't practice enough to try and use strats.
They're lazy.
Let them quick play it.
keen warren
Dallas gonna get 0-3 and just be like, "Nah we gone bruv"
warped axle
4-0 
pearl stratus
I said it earlier I wouldn't be shocked if Dallas takes a map when they go to their 'fuck it' strategy.
ruby pendant
Fuel only testing Uprising
pearl stratus
Since thats when people actually seem to have fun and come alive a bit.
warped axle
3-2 
ruby pendant
Uprising is no comparison to Fuel
cloud notch
testing uprising lol
warped axle
3-1 
cloud notch
the hell games have you been watching
waxen rampart
4-0 
pearl stratus
I really wish Shanghai hadn't played Fuel in week 2.
hallow herald
2-3
pearl stratus
I want to see them play now.
warped axle
Shanghai would win
cloud notch
fluid dagger
Lol if fuel reverse sweeps I'll eat my hat
waxen rampart
the both of us
ruby pendant
Fuel is only testing if Uprising is worthy for their 100% effort
pearl stratus
If Fuel reverse sweeps I'll stop saying they need to release the entire EnvyUS roster.
waxen rampart
lolol
ruby pendant
@pearl stratus lol, so mean
cloud notch
Seagull is a pretty weak link I agree
stone creek
I could see them just saying fuck it and playing a season 3 comp
waxen rampart
boston's gonna go 10-0 this stage
cloud notch
oh right
pearl stratus
He was added literally right before OWL started.
stone creek
ana/lucio/hog/dva/rein/76
cloud notch
harry and taimou
wait are you sure
I'm sure that seagull was a part of envyus at some point
pearl stratus
Yeah he was added at the end of.... September/October.
He was added to be transitioned to Dallas.
stone creek
they added him for owl
pearl stratus
Yeah.
cloud notch
ah
stone creek
they were in the OGN apex before
pearl stratus
Added 9/23, converted to Dallas Fuel on 10/5.
stone creek
won season 1 tbf to them
pearl stratus
The original Envy Roster that I'd release is like... Taimou, harry, Cocco, Chips, Mickie.
I love Mickie, his PMA is amazing.
But he's a mediocre Dva.
cloud notch
Fuel is almost as bad as the Dragons
pearl stratus
Seagull grinded it for two months and puts up more consistent play.
waxen rampart
at least the dragons are good at something
pearl stratus
They're different reasons.
cloud notch
very different reasons
waxen rampart
dragons have potential now
pearl stratus
Shanghai is a "new" team with language barriers, I put them more as like a team joining midstage and having to play catch up to the three months of improvements the rest of the teams made.
Dallas just imploded.
stone creek
dragons just look disconnected when they play
pearl stratus
Yeah, the disconnect is the language barrier.
waxen rampart
their healers are like a fish out of water
pearl stratus
They'll get there, but it was silly to think it'd be a quick thing.
stone creek
dallas have some good players, they just look like a bunch of glory hunting arseholes
pearl stratus
Even with the barrier they've gotten close.
Like Shanghai vs. Florida.
If Logix hadn't gone completely fucking insane.
Shanghai had Rt 66.
waxen rampart
they did
pearl stratus
Entirely saved by Logix.
waxen rampart
i was so fucking mad dude
pearl stratus
I wasn't mad.
Because they didn't lose it because they played bad.
They lost it because Logix played better.
And I'm okay with that.
waxen rampart
i'm not okay
pearl stratus
Anubis they lost because they just played Anubis so badly.
pearl stratus
Thats what I was more mad about.
stone creek
i just want to see some anti-dive deathball on attack
waxen rampart
nah i just get mad at owl a lot
stone creek
all this high mobility is getting stale
pearl stratus
They got a map pretty handily too.
pearl stratus
But yeah, they're still weak. Communication is key, and they don't have it.
But I was saying it earlier, in most positions they've got players ranked really well on their heroes.
Geguri has great D'va stats, Ado puts up insane numbers on Genji, and solid numbers on Tracer. Fearless has decent numbers considering how disconnected he is from Altering.
waxen rampart
ado seriously is amazing
pearl stratus
Altering has been doing a lot better. They just need to fix their zen positioning.
waxen rampart
with fearless, ado, and geguri i honestly can't believe they haven't got their win yet
but it'll take time
pearl stratus
They had the wrong schedule.
They got the teams they could have gotten wins from early on.
Not later.
Like watching Dallas take them apart with a Sombra was painful.
Because you need communication to counter a Sombra, and AKM took crazy advantage of that.
Smart play by Dallas, though.
I am glad we're slowly finding out that this was not all a blame Kyky issue though, little vindication.
Going to be interesting to see what else Kyky brings to Houston other than a Nepal strat though
waxen rampart
completely unrelated, i wonder how dream feels knowing he was their star player and now theyre the best team in the league without him 🤔
minor flame
hour late but it seems like it went the way everyone thought it would
waxen rampart
this game?
minor flame
yes
waxen rampart
ez 4-0
stone creek
if this was nepal, i could see it maybe going either way, but ilios will be a wash
maybe ruins is interesting
pearl stratus
My biggest unrelated is I want to go back to that thread that predicted Boston as the meme team, and reply to all the people who didn't trust a Kraft organization to know how to coach 😛
stone creek
Boston sucks though
waxen rampart
lul
stone creek
Pats stink
gritty yacht
Malik and Hex are wearing the same shirt
stone creek
Scared of a meme team from Maryland 😂
pearl stratus
I mean you can love or hate the Pats, that's fine. But you kind of have to admit Belichick is a bananas coach.
lethal plank
Fuel fan here. Boston will definitely 4-0. We got no chance without effect
stone creek
still struggles against a beat up ravens team
even had to deflate the balls to get a passing game going against a practice squad secondary 😂
pearl stratus
lmao
supple prism
sick
stuck agate
DUNK THEM
stone creek
this is why i go to the mini in the gazebo, fuck that well
pearl stratus
LEts see if Boston can beat that.
supple prism
in gold you dont need to combo like that. hogs are always standing near it
pearl stratus
NotE just has insane hook flicks too. So he's crazy dangerous on hog
stone creek
still can't believe well is a competitive map
stone creek
the environmentals are such a meme
pearl stratus
As a viewer I love them
They're so hilarious.
Like when Boink got a triple kill boop last Lighthouse.
2 for Mickie.
Lmao.
Striker must be having a blast.
3!
ONE MORE TIME.
waxen rampart
taimou's shit tires
slim summit
taimou's tires taking the scenic route
vagrant niche
Fuel so bad
pearl stratus
Honestly most tires are shit now.
Those were especially shit.
But most end up being shit lately.
waxen rampart
tires down here in gold are op
stone creek
it's a shitty ultimate
waxen rampart
its such a big difference
ruby pendant
depends
pearl stratus
It's an amazing ultimate, that can be focused really well if you have the time and space.
stone creek
can get it every 30 seconds, it can team wipe, but a decent team can just shoot it down
waxen rampart
especially on a map like night market
pearl stratus
It's oddly stronger in fights than out of them
vagrant niche
@waxen rampart when you have Rein's trying to shield instead of firestrike them, yeah they are
pearl stratus
Because then the other teams distracted.
pearl stratus
I want to see someone stagger a D'va longer than Philly staggered Xepher yesterday.
stuck agate
That filthy filthy wave
vagrant niche
this thing looking EZ clap
pearl stratus
It's mid level. It's not good, its not bad.
stone creek
what i don't understand is dallas running two hitscan players in their dps slots
pearl stratus
Seagull is out of practice, he said it on his stream.
He's barely touched Genji in the last two months.
supple prism
Can boston keep the wins going on the next two matches? NYXL sure will.
paper crag
lol wtf is going on
stone creek
i'd still give him a run out on it, see what happens
warped axle
EZ Clap
stone creek
can't be any worse than this shit
paper crag
i don't watch for 5 minutes and fuel loses another point
stuck agate
GG?
pearl stratus
You can do a long gun short gun dive, its a bit outdated.
stuck agate
I guess
pearl stratus
But you can do it.
fluid dagger
12 wins, Boston better than NYXL confirmed
pearl stratus
@paper crag You missed Mickie getting dunked on well 3 times again.
supple prism
creepy kid
fluid dagger
Mickie likes the well, don't judge
vagrant fossil
H O S I N G D O W N
stuck agate
When's Boston playing NYXL
pearl stratus
In the finals.
supple prism
they already did
fluid dagger
Boston's playing NY in playoffs
stone creek
i could see NY winning that, ngl
stuck agate
O lol
cosmic gyro
dallas fuel is trash
warped axle
Bold prediction
stone creek
hitscan dps playing junk
warped axle
pearl stratus
They got shot down.
He used them pre-emptively.
Not during any chaos.
So its a useless ult
Because you can just focus on it.
pearl stratus
Honestly besides Agilities 4K tire what.. two weeks ago?
paper crag
honestly i don't really care about BU but i want to see them go undefeated through an entire stage
pearl stratus
We've seen all garbage tires for the last two weeks.
paper crag
a great feat for any team
pearl stratus
Well not all. Just so many dead tires.
fluid dagger
Think Boston can run the table on LA next week? I think they can do it
fluid dagger
You know they're practicing like crazy for Boston
pearl stratus
You can't go in blind against either team.
paper crag
they have a few hard games, but i don't think it's impossible
pearl stratus
Anubis - BlizzWorld - Nepal - Rt 66 vs. Volskaya - Numbani - Nepal - Rt 66.
So they have to prep for 6 maps.
That's not too bad.
fluid dagger
Boston has become the big boss of the stage
pearl stratus
If they shared less maps I'd think it was a lot more dangerous.
Like if it was 4 v 4 all unique, and they had to prep all 8 maps?
I think we'd have a huge chance for a loss.
Because you can't prep that much for two solid teams.
fluid dagger
Thing is Boston has a super strong default build anyway
They're playing a standard game right now, probably already prepping for the LAs
stuck agate
I never realized Mercy's wings were that huge
pearl stratus
It looks like they've all remained really friendly, but I forsee Rascal going to a new team in season 2.
pearl stratus
I don't forsee a lot of situations where you replace Profit, minus injuries.
paper crag
he should go to LAG just because they seem to be that team where rejects go
and then do well
fluid dagger
Mistakes wut
pearl stratus
None right now.
paper crag
which team needs a good mei? /s
fluid dagger
Dallas has a good genji but never plays him
pearl stratus
Seagull would be better on D'va if they're not getting rid of Mickie.
fluid dagger
Boston Mistakes needs genji practice
paper crag
why would you play seagull when you have akm, the genji legend himself
pearl stratus
Yeah Boston could use one, but its better for Mistakes to grind it out.
Boston would never take Rascal.
tawny sigil
V/\
stone creek
just give seagull the job title of "weeb main"
pearl stratus
They want coachable people, and his actions would make him poison to them basically.
fluid dagger
Mistakes has good game sense, he'll be a dangerous genji with practice
paper crag
is it confirmed that rascal was the source of toxicity
i gave up on following the drama
pearl stratus
He confirmed it himself, they didn't mesh. He did dumb shit, they did dumb shit.
vagrant niche
@pearl stratus what did Rascal said?
pearl stratus
You can find it on the reddit, he explained most things and it got transcribed.
He took a lot of responsibility is the tl;dr.
What I took from it was for every mistake that Dallas made, he made one too.
paper crag
i wonder if the fact that at least 2 players are currently jobless should be something to worry about
fluid dagger
Dallas vs Fuel
pearl stratus
@paper crag I doubt it. It's the way the system works. Many athletes get cut and never seen from again.
stone creek
wow, those comms sucked 😂
paper crag
yeah but within one season?
pearl stratus
2 out of what..
125?
That's really not bad.
It's a 1.6% cut rate.
Mathematically that's perfectly fine.
fluid dagger
Mickie and Seagull should split off and start their own feels good team
paper crag
i mean, you're obviously not going to lose more than playable number of players
pearl stratus
Also these first two seasons are going to be when we get the most cuts.
lethal plank
Warning no fuel
stuck agate
THAT HOOOOOOK
pearl stratus
Because people are getting themselves into situation they have no clue about.
Look at Mendo.
Mendo will pretty much never play.
paper crag
but i'm wondering if this is foreshadowing poor job security
pearl stratus
It's weeding out weak people.
paper crag
like players feeling too expendable
pearl stratus
That's literally all it is.
Also I mean.. what job can you be shit at and keep.
Other than comcast customer service.
Or apparently president of the Us.
All the cut players had chances, Envy was the least 'obvious' of them.
But the fact that no other team wanted him speaks that there was a lot that we don't know about that situation.
paper crag
i feel like the main reason OWL is retaining player is that blizzard practically has a monopoly over OW esports
pearl stratus
Eh I think people are treating the players like they're pussies.
And that needs to stop.
They really do need to man the fuck up in 90% of situations.
still stump
Do you guys think Valiant can win tonight?
paper crag
eh i don't think it's treating them like pussies
i just don't want people to get fucked over
pearl stratus
Then don't be useless.
supple prism
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Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
pearl stratus
There's solutions to not getting fucked over.
supple prism
probably?
pearl stratus
LAV will most likely win, but if they do lose I wouldn't be surprised.
tawny sigil
FLA?.... Lets go to Flarida guys
pearl stratus
Florida isn't a bad team, really.
@paper crag The thing is though, this is still the "easy" part of OWL. And people need to realize that more people are going to crack. More mental stuff is going to happen. People are going to quit before Season 3 because they can't hack it.
If they can't manage just practicing and playing without causing issues what are they going to do when they travel?
This is the safest time to weed out the people who don't mentally have it in them.
paper crag
which is fine as long as they're fairly compensated for their time
pearl stratus
No one was treated unfairly though.
pearl stratus
It's the internet, we're always going to side with the person people like the most. For all we know Rascal could have been shitting in peoples beds and trying to stab people.
paper crag
i'm just saying i hope nobody does get fucked over, like by being dropped a couple days before roster lock
pearl stratus
But he has an entertaining stream.
Also most of the contracts (according to the random e-sports lawyer guy on the reddit) get paid out on release provided you didn't violate contract things.
paper crag
i'm not siding with any specific person in any case
pearl stratus
So like xQc might not have been paid out, but I feel like Rascal probably was.
paper crag
yeah i think rascal and envy were probably paid out
tawny sigil
rascal is still getting paid
pearl stratus
They might have one lumped it, just to be done with it, but yeah.
tawny sigil
Rascel still getting his OWL pay check
paper crag
but things like dropping fissure a couple days before roster lock is kind of shitty although "legal"
at least if it happened the way he described it
fluid dagger
So Boston can't be knocked out of the stage playoffs now right?
paper crag
yeah, which is why i said it's "legal" but still ethically pretty shitty thing to do
you could abuse that to try and deny a player you don't want on your team, but also don't want others to have
it was actually a scandal in the korean scene
and similar things happen in other esports too
pearl stratus
They'll probably eventually figure out a free agent system for existing OW players.
Wherein you can sign a Free Agent at any time provided they've been in the OWL.
But you can't sign new talent except in windows.
paper crag
yeah some kind of safety net for players being dropped would be nice
pearl stratus
99% of them will rot.
paper crag
if they're truly bad, they won't be signed
pearl stratus
But it stops the bad side.
worn hornet
holey hell Kellex is tall
paper crag
but at least if you're actually good but just not good for the team you're in, it might give you a second chance from being screwed
tawny sigil
we guess
stone creek
going for that copper rust hair colour
torpid charm
so tall and so smol
stone creek
teams aren't gonna pick someone up when they have their rosters filled out
paper crag
i wonder how long it will be before all these 11 man rosters pick up that last spot
presumably before stage 4
stone creek
the time it takes to integrate someone when you're already competiing
stone creek
you're basically writing it off as a rebuilding period
paper crag
oh so no new signage pre-stage 4?
paper crag
i see
stone creek
although i would like to see some teams take a chance on some different strats
pearl stratus
It might change in the future, its only season 1.
stone creek
like the meta athena mei walls
paper crag
i wonder why you wouldn't pick up that 12th person for internal scrims
pearl stratus
You can get away with so much more in Contenders.
Since they don't play that much.
paper crag
outside of money issues
stone creek
i'm talking about OGN
pearl stratus
@paper crag Probably not worth picking up someone you know you won't play, just for scrims.
stone creek
before OWL was a thing
pearl stratus
You just have the coach scrim, or someone like that.
paper crag
that's true
pearl stratus
I'm actually expecting some teams to pick up streamers for public visibility.
stone creek
contenders is a better watch
pearl stratus
Like I personally dont' think we'll ever see Mendo play.
stone creek
they do
pearl stratus
But I do think they'll keep him on for a Streaming Persona.
stone creek
kabaji is with the fusion
pearl stratus
@stone creek I mean more roster players who do it.
paper crag
never getting on the stage but repping the team on streams?
pearl stratus
Philly hired him strictly as a streamer, he's not actually on the team.
tawny sigil
Brigitte, ready to ruin OWL
pearl stratus
Brigitte is ready to ruin gold.
tawny sigil
like she ruined arcade
pearl stratus
HOW DO I COUNTER THIS 600 HP SHIELD.
paper crag
i feel like you could kind of do that without having to officially sign that player though
pearl stratus
flails in lowsr
paper crag
maybe have some kind of endorsement deal
have that streamer "officially support" that team
pearl stratus
Well Mendo has already stated he mentally just can't handle OWL.
tawny sigil
they need to give her a round shield like the robots in uprising
paper crag
i don't see the difference between that and actually being on the team if the streamer will literally never see stage play
pearl stratus
He's failed out.
He may magically get it all fixed up.
But last I saw he hasn't even found a therapist.
paper crag
did rascal even get to showcase his genji to a significant degree on fuel?
stone creek
man, overwatch is so early right now, first it was rein battles, then it was triple tank, now it's dive, then there was that sweet spot after the mercy nerf and before the sombra buff. It'll be a fun game to watch/play when it gets sorted out, if it does anyway
pearl stratus
I honestly don't mind watching dive, its probaby the most hype inducing of the metas. We only like the different stuff that pops out because its so rare.
supple prism
half the fun is everything changing
pearl stratus
But if we saw it constantly, we'd just bitch about it too.
Gamers typically follow the ABC's.
supple prism
always be complaining
pearl stratus
Always
Be
Complaining
Then you get the super loud REEEEEEEEEEtards who autistically screech about how everything needs a nerf.
paper crag
i feel like the two LA teams play on the same days so often
stone creek
compared to league and CS, i don't see how it's gonna get to that level tbh
it's all over the place with map design and hero balance
pearl stratus
OWL? It's already larger, realistically.
Sponsorship etc alone. Viewer numbers are relatively consist at 100% higher than first season expectations.
tawny sigil
@paper crag that's cause the matches are set in order so if it happens one it will happen a few times in a row
pearl stratus
You can't compare the one tournament a year that matters versus 5 months straight of weekly games.
paper crag
yeah i did feel like there was a pattern
SHD vs DF also happens early almost every stage
i feel like that's a contributor to SHD never getting a win
pearl stratus
Also the twitch viewer numbers are kind of a lie, but hey.
stone creek
I like watching it because I like playing the game, but compared to the other two, it's got a ways to go imo
paper crag
they always played DF during their fake-out "we're getting our shit together" phase, never during their death spiral phase
pearl stratus
Most people don't realize that.
They see 100k twitch viewers and think its not good.
And forget that like... Some countries don't have Twitch, so they use the OWL site itself, as well as alot of people.
Or that you can watch it on TV if you have DirecTV XD
paper crag
i'm mildly upset that this rotating cube with OW heroes doesn't use the teams' signature heroes for each team
while showing heroes in team skins
like it shows Soldier in DF skin, but DF is Genji
Ana in NYXL skin, but NYXL is Lucio
minor flame
Can anyone name me an instance where they switched out Effect in Fuel?
paper crag
MUH OCD
stone creek
i mean, you can fanboy over it if you want, but i don't see it personally
minor flame
any instance
pearl stratus
@minor flame They never have unless he ran home to Korea.
Which he's now done twice.
paper crag
wow DF has only one win?
minor flame
And he's the only one that has been in every game
paper crag
i could have sworn they had at least 2
pearl stratus
I'm not fanboying over it. I think they have a long way to go too, I just like pointing out logical fallacies.
minor flame
?
pearl stratus
Mickie pretty much has been in every game. Minus... 1?
Like CS will never matter on a large scale. They'd have to change too much to become public, and Valve doesn't give a fuck about it.
CSGO is like Valves inbred little brother to DoTA for some reason.
paper crag
i feel like CS is the fighting game community of FPS
minor flame
The main reason Effect is back at korea is because of being stressed out of never being switched?
paper crag
but that might be just because i don't play CS and know nothing about it
it just feels super closed-off elitism-laden though
pearl stratus
I mean if they tried to bring CSGO main stage they'd have to adjust team names and stuff. The first time it went "Terrorists win" there'd be some social shit show. It's just not worth it.
pearl stratus
LoL is switching over to try and emulate OWL. So we'll see how that goes.
paper crag
at least i explained it
pearl stratus
I wish them luck though.
stone creek
DOTA sucks, lost out to league, even though it gets some heavy prize pools tbf
pearl stratus
I think they've got more relevant experience, but less capital.
I don't disagree @stone creek
But you have to admit Valve babies the hell out of DoTA.
And kind of ignores CSGO.
paper crag
honestly, i think dota would have won out if it came out before league though
stone creek
but CSGO is the biggest right now next to league
paper crag
and was a little more friendly to low spec PC's
minor flame
If Effect is stressed out shouldnt Mickie be if hes been in nearly all the games too?
pearl stratus
DoTA is too boring to watch.
With the laning etc, etc.
LoL is too, unless you play it.
stone creek
it's crazy the fanbases that gather to watch a CSGO tournament
LoL has a huge player base though
paper crag
yeah, i think they both share the boring factors of MOBA
stone creek
F2P helps that
paper crag
but dota has more depth and is completely f2p
pearl stratus
Yeah, but my comment was more to like "Could this go mainstream"
And I don't think the play style of the game really lends itself well to LoL doing that.
The item builds, the laning phase, etc.
paper crag
all heroes available for free at minute 0 of your playtime
pearl stratus
I think they'll always be successful in the gaming community though
paper crag
i think riot just picked a really good time window and played their cards smart in making league big
but as a game, i feel like dota is better made
stone creek
talking about social shit shows, remember when OW launched and tracers ass was centre stage? 😂
strong void
Can Mickie pls never play dva again 😩
paper crag
but that's my opinion and everyone is entitled to their opinions
btw, was coolmatt ever on BU?
i noticed that the clip where effect goes "kill coolmatt please" shows DF and BU on the screen
not outlaws
pearl stratus
No, he's always been on houston afaik
paper crag
yeah i couldn't find any evidence of coolmatt being on other teams either
maybe it's just how that clip was edited
oh yeah definitely editing
when effect says "kill coolmatt please" there's the outlaws green on the background, but it hard cuts into next scene where it's DF vs BU
oh i can post links
i thought i didn't have permission or something
pearl stratus
So I was saying that I felt like Jake was learning Tracer from SBB.
pearl stratus
They're friends, so I could see it. And his play style is starting to emulate it.
cerulean plume
Welp
pearl stratus
Sending FCT onto S4 was a bad idea.
It left the supports way too open on Point A.
Well then
median saddle
that was really uncoordinated
pearl stratus
It's happened before.
minor flame
which match>
pearl stratus
I think the earliest Seoul Dallas Anubis went up to about that high.
Yeah. Anubis went 5-6 for Seoul.
minor flame
Damn
minor flame
Fuel got 0-4ed
tawny sigil
DO IT!
ruby pendant
@minor flame lol, good joke
median saddle
glads keep diving and dying on the first point
minor flame
What an AKM blade
toxic pilot
anyone knows when the world cup page updates?
tawny sigil
man everytime i see those widow headshot during replay...
This is all i can think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHHnx7ltDok&t=45s
now you're all cursed, you're gonna hear it too when you see widow headshots
median saddle
can't be cursed if you don't play the video
tawny sigil
its just a sound effect
errant kayak
I just got my 9th 100 drop
minor flame
That scream
I thought Tracer fell off the map or something
Asher has been getting so many sticks
pearl stratus
Glad's on point across the board today.
Shaz definitely the best non-korean Zen by a huge margin though
vagrant niche
C9
median saddle
that last push was
ruby pendant
wow
minor flame
Im really wondering whos gonna take the 4th playoff spot
Its pretty much a close race
median saddle
if glads win this match they have a pretty good chance
pearl stratus
Rawkus lately is so inconsistent and needs so much babysitting to stay alive.
Lmao. Rawkus got stuck, popped Trans and stood on Jake
pearl stratus
Jakes honestly looking a lot better on Tracer, its always a bit surprising.
I keep seeing pulse bomb kills from him
And its like "waaaaaait. What?"
TORB.
vagrant niche
HOLY SHIT
coarse willow
TORBB
vagrant niche
TORB
rain pewter
oh
minor flame
the second time torb has happened?
rain pewter
it's a torb
ruby pendant
next will be sym
torpid charm
what is this
minor flame
Decides to protect turret rather than barrel stuff
torpid charm
I'm so confused
ruby pendant
wow
minor flame
"Obviously"
pearl stratus
First ever Attack Torb
minor flame
Thats all
coarse willow
wow
pearl stratus
Just said Fuck it and ran the Attack Torb
minor flame
I dont know or like Houston that much
torpid charm
this is the best thing I've ever watched
minor flame
But they have my respect
cerulean plume
Was afk, then I tune in
paper crag
i wonder which team scrimmed against this lol
balmy wolf
Attack Torb lul
pearl stratus
Internal.
paper crag
they're probably laughing their asses off right now
pearl stratus
There's only like.. 2 teams in the league who don't internally scrim now.
balmy wolf
no more torb 😦
paper crag
so did quad tank just give its way to triple tank?
i feel like quad tank just got replaced more or less
pearl stratus
Quad tank doesn't have enough damage anymore
paper crag
after which patch?
pearl stratus
Somewhere like... Season 4 or 5?
paper crag
we've seen more quad tank than triple in stages 1 and 2 though
torpid charm
that Zarya = big nut
paper crag
at least i think we did
pearl stratus
No, its been all triple.
Junkertown = Triple, KR = Triple.
Oasis Library thing = Triple.
serene tendon
time for a reverse sweep, r-right guys?
tawny sigil
current meta is who can 1 shot a squishy first... bascially turning into CS:GO... probably why people losing interest in the game.
minor flame
You talkin bout the dive meta or the brig meta
tawny sigil
dive
pearl stratus
He whines about both.
median saddle
but every game is like that
pearl stratus
Not worth asking
median saddle
you kill the weakest/most important person first
tawny sigil
never played the brigit meta so i dont know
balmy wolf
I just want Brigitte's Shield Bash to have a longer cooldown.
minor flame
Hmm, first time hearing that suggestion
median saddle
0-2 torb
pearl stratus
It doesn't need it.
torpid charm
THE TORB STAT PAGE LMAO
pearl stratus
Brigitte is an SR suppressing hero.
If you're in lower SR's her relatively low skill cap to be useful will make her oppressive.
pearl stratus
And the fact you won't find coordinated people.
coarse willow
i want brigitte to be deleted altogether but thats not gonna happen
balmy wolf
People seem to be just saying "lol it's only salty dps mains that have problems with Brigitte because their egos can't handle getting killed by a support hero".
pearl stratus
So you get retarded gold genjis trying to solo into her.
minor flame
Ive been on the subreddit and the OW discussion ch and ive seen way too many "longer cooldown for Shield Bash"
pearl stratus
And its like... "wat"
"Brigitte is too strong." "Get a pharah." "I don't play Pharah, I'm Genji."
Well then get fucked is your last solution.
minor flame
Then theres the people who say "JUST SHOOT THE SHIELD LOOOOOL 4HEAD"
pearl stratus
I mean the shield thing is valuable, if you have enough coordinated people.
balmy wolf
No, the problem is that she gets a no-risk stun every 4 seconds.
vagrant niche
is not hard to burst that shield down you know
pearl stratus
600 HP on that shield -melts-.
vagrant niche
i even do it as tracer
pearl stratus
You can also splash around her shield, its so god damn tiny.
Like if I was in gold I'd just be playing Pharah.
Because a.) 90% of the hit scans in gold can't even kill a Pharah.
coarse willow
brigitte is the most retarded character in the game
pearl stratus
b.) She shits all over Brig.
coarse willow
deletus
balmy wolf
Brigitte is going to make comp hell.
pearl stratus
Just play around corners, its ezpzlmnsqzy.
minor flame
Thats a pretty exaggerated way of saying "Brigitte is going to change the comp meta"
median saddle
what's obvious is that Brig is really weak vs splash damage
also her sheild is weak
pearl stratus
Also rockets barely care about armor.
coarse willow
no brig is gonna break comp
pearl stratus
Due to the way armor works.
median saddle
but coordinating fire is hard
tawny sigil
well according to contenders isn't brigitte making triple support a thing?
pearl stratus
So I know Lion is gold. Collin based on your comments I'm guessing in the range of..
minor flame
Everyone kept saying Sombra was gonna break comp two times
pearl stratus
2270ish?
minor flame
and they were fucking wrong
balmy wolf
What if Brigitte turns out to be really situational and then we only see her run in deathball maps like King's Row and Oasis University
pearl stratus
She is really situational.
pearl stratus
She has no vertical mobility.
You can get some slightly longer jumps with her shield bash.
balmy wolf
Of course.
balmy wolf
You make a good point.
tawny sigil
dallas could symm
paper crag
i feel like brigitte is gonna be a stabilizer in cheese comps
pearl stratus
People tend to think just about their own situation, which I get. You're the one playing it. But you have to look up and down the scale.
coarse willow
sym is the meta
tawny sigil
they got nothing to lose but stats
balmy wolf
But that still doesn't change my opinion that I feel like Brigitte is just gonna be unfun to play against.
coarse willow
TP would be very OP in OWL
pearl stratus
In 90% of her scrims and stuff Brigitte has really only been played in Triple Support comps.
It's meant to be a redo of the deathball.
Which was only good on a few maps.
balmy wolf
How does triple support even work
paper crag
water down the spiciness of the cheese comp, but provide half tank half support kinda thing
balmy wolf
which supports
pearl stratus
Brig + Zen + Lucio, typically.
balmy wolf
Ah okay
pearl stratus
Though you can swap Lucio with Moira.
paper crag
so a little more sustainability
pearl stratus
Then 1 DPS and 2 tanks, or 3 tanks.
balmy wolf
which dps or tanks do you use?
coarse willow
wtf why would you get rid of mercy
pearl stratus
If you do two tanks you do Rein + Dva usually.
If you do three its Rein + Dva + Zarya.
balmy wolf
Ah okay.
paper crag
i think mercy is less needed since you have more healing therefore fewer deaths?
pearl stratus
Mercy is more used for attack boosting your mid to long range hitscans (Or JJonaks)
And getting mostly safe resses on them.
Without running a Widow all of her resses are basically going to be in the melee.
Which is really dangerous.
Also Brigitte, with the new shield bash cone, fucks up your day while ressing
minor flame
lmao Glads didnt even know if they won
pearl stratus
Since unless the tanks push up over you, she can get the stun or knockback on it.
Or a lucio boop.
Or d'va boop.
I think not enough people realize there's a range to ress.
And you can just move mercy far enough away
And the ress breaks.
vagrant niche
Now everybody on numbani is going to play attack torb
minor flame
I feel as if Numbani is one of the only few maps where attack torb can be viable
paper crag
before i die, i want to see jjonak play on a hitscan version zen
pearl stratus
XL2 has been doing it every week.
median saddle
I don't think attack torb will be meta
paper crag
who can attack during trans
pearl stratus
And getting hammer kills.
north beacon
Jake had to go and inspire young impressionable children to play torb
median saddle
it is an unconventional strat but that's what made it work
minor flame
Jake
pearl stratus
I mean arguably it didn't work.
minor flame
70% junkrat
paper crag
my life will be complete then
minor flame
29% tracer
pearl stratus
It just gave Glads a bigger thing to worry about.
minor flame
1% torb
pearl stratus
So it drew attention. That turret never really stayed alive lol
Glads did a great job of killing it
minor flame
Jake was basically a support there
north beacon
Attack Torb isnt inherently strong in pro scene, its probably just that no one practices for torb
minor flame
Not even getting 1 kill
pearl stratus
He was a third tank, for all intents and purposes.
balmy wolf
I remember Mangachu used attack torb on numbani in the world cup
pearl stratus
Because who cares if the turret dies. Its a lot of effort to kill something that isn't a player.
And you get time to kill them while they're doing it.
median saddle
where is mangachu actuallly
minor flame
I remember when Flow3r used Bastion on Nepal Village
median saddle
haven't seen him at all
minor flame
XL2 Academy
pearl stratus
Runaway would be.
north beacon
One time i got zero kills as pharah but drew enough people away for my team to win team fight and cap point. I tell myself I still did okay
So i can sleep at night
pearl stratus
But Runner is doing his military service.
pearl stratus
A bunch of countries just didn't qualify.
They could have lowered standards to keep them in.
But that's a bad idea.
paper crag
ilios music always gets me hyped up
minor flame
Asher already gets Pulse and he gets a kill with it
Asher has been a pulse god this match
median saddle
if asher is consistent he's a top 4 tracer at least
median saddle
in 2 days
warped axle
Glad are a great team
visual glen
paper crag
i will never stop saying that asher sounds like a name for a bratty 10 year old boy with a blonde bowl cut
with a "let me talk to your manager" mom
warped axle
Jake isn't bad on Tracer